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"Jeßus" > wrote in message ... > On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 22:00:20 +0100, "Ophelia" > > wrote: > >> >> >>"Jeßus" > wrote in message . .. >>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 11:40:03 +0100, "Ophelia" >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>"Jeßus" > wrote in message m... >>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 09:56:27 +0100, Janet > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>In article >, >>>>>>says... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 6/28/2014 12:54 PM, Janet wrote: >>>>>>> > Surely your water supply co will deliver bottled water, or a >>>>>>> > shared >>>>>>> > bowser? >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Janet UK >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That's a term that skated right over my head. What on earth is a >>>>>>> shared >>>>>>> bowser? >>>>>> >>>>>> It's a mobile tank on wheels (with a tap) which the water company >>>>>>fills then tows to where it's needed and replenishes as required. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.argyll1st.co.uk/water-bowsers.html >>>>> >>>>> A bowser can contain petrol too, that's what you pump out of at >>>>> service stations. Me, I'd much rather a beer bowser. >>>> >>>>LOL be careful you are starting to sound like an alkie <g> >>> >>> Hic... >> >>lol Shameless hussy ;p > > So says the G&T monster  Damn you!!!! ;p -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/ |
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2014 06:11:22 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 08:33:17 -0700, sf > wrote: > > >Your hurricane situation was different and lasted a longer amount of > >time than normal water main breaks. The idiots who stuck around to be > >in a hurricane > > Where do the entire populations of affected regions go? > I'm just curious, because I've never heard of mass evacuations for > hurricanes (aside from places that would be suicidal to stay at). Not my problem where they would go, I suggest staying with friends or relatives in inland states that will be unaffected by the hurricane. It's a big country and they can figure it out for themselves. -- I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila |
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On 2014-06-29 4:17 PM, Jeßus wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 03:20:19 -0700, "Julie Bove" > > wrote: > >> "Oregonian Haruspex" > wrote in message >> ... >>> >>> People in the UK are much more used to the system taking care of their >>> needs. We have more of a frontier spirit in the USA. >> >> Apparently so! > > Yeah... Julie Bove: 'frontier woman'. > Can't even deal with a mail box or cat-abducting racoons. > The Bove herd has enough trouble finding food that is acceptable toa ll in a restaurant. Hell, two months ago husband and little Joan Fontaine had trouble finding food in a grocery store, |
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"The Other Guy" > wrote in message ... > On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 03:17:41 -0700, "Julie Bove" > > wrote: > >> >>"The Other Guy" > wrote in message . .. >>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 20:41:17 -0400, S Viemeister >>> > wrote: >>> >>>>On 6/28/2014 3:17 PM, jmcquown wrote: >>>> >>>>> What I can't fathom is the water company delivering bottled water to >>>>> *thousands* of customers in a remote area due to a possible 24 hour >>>>> outage. Why would Janet UK think they would? >>>>> >>>>Scottish Water have delivered bottled water (cases of it!) to my front >>>>door when we've had major outages. >>> >>> It's what civilized places do. >> >>Or more likely what places with few people do. I can't imagine that ever >>happening here. > > San Diego is the 7th largest city in the US, and THEY do it. Well, I guess it never made the news here. |
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"Nancy Young" > wrote in message ... > On 6/29/2014 3:33 PM, wrote: >> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 13:42:22 -0400, Nancy Young >> > wrote: >> >>> On 6/29/2014 1:35 PM, jmcquown wrote: >>> >>>> We're self-centered because we believe in planning for emergencies? >>>> That's a ridiculous statement. >>> >>> I mean, who argues that people shouldn't have extra water, >>> especially if they are someone with problems even if there >>> aren't emergency situations. >>> >>> Okey dokey, then. The thread has jumped the shark. > >> It's become ridiculous but interesting in showing younger people have >> zero tolerance for elderly. > > That's quite a leap of logic. > > But you don't know me, so think what you want. Ah... I didn't see who posted that as she is in my killfile. I am not young myself but I can get annoyed with the elderly. It's not that I have zero tolerance but I do get annoyed and frustrated at having to do and say the same things over and over again. This in relation to the elderly people in my life. There isn't any way around it. It's just a fact of life. But that doesn't make it any easier for those of us who have to deal with it. |
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On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 16:16:23 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote: >Ah... I didn't see who posted that as she is in my killfile. I am not >young myself but I can get annoyed with the elderly. It's not that I have >zero tolerance but I do get annoyed and frustrated at having to do and say >the same things over and over again. >This in relation to the elderly people >in my life. There isn't any way around it. It's just a fact of life. But >that doesn't make it any easier for those of us who have to deal with it. How ironic. |
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On 6/29/2014 4:26 PM, wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 16:22:54 -0400, jmcquown > > wrote: > >> On 6/29/2014 3:59 PM, Dave Smith wrote: >>> On 2014-06-29 3:23 PM, wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>> That was snarky, wasn't it? I think *especially* people in difficult >>>>> situations, with mobility issues or whatever, should have bottled water >>>>> on hand in case of an emergency. You can't just sit around wringing >>>>> your hands and thinking >>>> >>>> Really ? I think your let them eat cake attitude is all wrong and >>>> does not allow for the elderly. >>>>> >>>>> The *really* righteous one could always bring them a couple of cases or >>>>> some gallon jugs of bottled water to stash away in case of emergency. >>>>> But apparently while she knows these hardship cases she doesn't think >>>>> that makes sense. >>>>> >>>>> Jill >>>> >>>> I could and it would be in her way - she is late 90s and lives day to >>>> day. I can understand that but apparently your age group does not. I >>>> certainly never say to her, 'you should do this' 'you should do that' >>>> - who am I to tell her what she should do. I am not righteous but I >>>> do most certainly care what happens. >>>> >>> >>> >>> It's all well and good to say what an elderly house bound person should >>> have on hand for emergencies. Let's just hope that those responsible for >>> their care make sure that they have it and that stores of those things >>> are replenished. >> >> Apparently lucretia cares for these people but having emergency supplies >> in their home is somehow a problem. So, just sit back and hope some >> agency brings in water if they should need it rather than offer them a >> case of small bottles. Not all bottled comes in huge containers. >> >> Jill > > Go get a job woman! At your age it would do you good. Just get > this into your head. I am not in the business of telling old people > what they should do, should she need help, like today, I will give it, > willingly. I wouldn't want to have to rely on you though! > No one is saying tell tell old people what they should or shouldn't do. It's just common sense. I wouldn't want to rely on *you* if I was 90-something and the water went out for a week. Stop by and see me but for heaven's sake don't make sure I've got 6 or 8 small bottles of water. That would make entirely too much sense. Jill |
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On 6/29/2014 3:11 PM, Janet wrote:
> In article >, > says... >> I'm not sure what incontinence has to do with not having running >> water. > > I can only suppose either, you've never had to deal with an > incontinent adult (over and over again), or you left them in it long > enough to get bedsores. > > Trust me, cleaning up an incapable and possibly unco-operative adult > who has diarrhoea, takes a bit more than a moist baby wipe. > > Janet UK. > I had to change my mother's adult diapers when she was bedridden in the last months of her life. Sounds to me like another good reason to have bottled water in case of an outage. You don't have to buy huge jugs of water. They sell water in small bottles. My parents used to stock small bottles of water. They were elderly. I'm still young enough I can lift gallon jugs but that won't always be the case. So I'll just buy smaller bottles. I really don't understand why this thread has become so contentious. Jill |
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On 6/29/2014 4:11 PM, Jeßus wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 08:33:17 -0700, sf > wrote: > >> Your hurricane situation was different and lasted a longer amount of >> time than normal water main breaks. The idiots who stuck around to be >> in a hurricane > > Where do the entire populations of affected regions go? > I'm just curious, because I've never heard of mass evacuations for > hurricanes (aside from places that would be suicidal to stay at). > Any place inland, well away from the coast. Jill |
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On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 15:57:10 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote: >On 2014-06-29 3:11 PM, Janet wrote: > >> I can only suppose either, you've never had to deal with an >> incontinent adult (over and over again), or you left them in it long >> enough to get bedsores. >> >> Trust me, cleaning up an incapable and possibly unco-operative adult >> who has diarrhoea, takes a bit more than a moist baby wipe. > >If I ever find myself dealing with cleaning up diarrhea on am >uncooperative adult I can see myself becoming uncooperative. One day someone may need to clean you, would you rather they shoot you... you must live a very sheltered life, never even been in a hospital. |
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On 2014-06-29 7:16 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> Ah... I didn't see who posted that as she is in my killfile. I am not > young myself but I can get annoyed with the elderly. It's not that I > have zero tolerance but I do get annoyed and frustrated at having to do > and say the same things over and over again. This in relation to the > elderly people in my life. There isn't any way around it. It's just a > fact of life. But that doesn't make it any easier for those of us who > have to deal with it. You are hard enough to deal with at middle age. I hate to imagine what you are going to be like when you get older. |
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"Pico Rico" > wrote in message ... > > "Cheri" > wrote in message > ... >> >> "Janet" > wrote in message >> t... >> >>> It is in remote areas miles from shops, to the housebound, sick, >>> incontinent, bottlefed infants in nappies etc. A water company can't >>> always be certain of repair within the advertised time. >>> >>> Janet UK >> >> Do they not plan ahead and keep some bottled water on hand for >> emergencies? A population can't always be certain that the government >> will come through for them and they should at least be proactive in >> something simple like having water on hand. It's not rocket science. >> > > > we are always told that in time of emergency, don't count on any help for > three days. And this is not the boonies, it is civilization. In a real > emergency, there will be a need that will outstrip the available aid, > until things get sorted out and some systems come back on line allowing > the aid to go further. Yes, and I believe it. I think three days is probably the best scenario, and could be much longer. A person needs to prepare for an emergency as much as possible before there's an emergency, at least water, canned food, batteries for radios, flashlights etc. Cheri |
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"jmcquown" > wrote in message ... > On 6/29/2014 1:03 PM, Nancy Young wrote: >> On 6/29/2014 12:54 PM, wrote: >>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 12:36:02 -0400, Nancy Young >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> On 6/29/2014 11:52 AM, wrote: >>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 09:47:40 -0400, Nancy Young >>>> >>>>>> I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't have the wherewithall >>>>>> to be able to take care of themselves for ONE DAY if there's >>>>>> a water situation. Imagine a real emergency. >>>> >>>>> In that 'anyone' add the old lady I just went and dug out of her >>>>> apartment and took to a Walk In Clinic. She is barely able to do >>>>> that, I doubt she would cope with a water outage. She is lucky >>>>> though that people like me who know she is there would see her >>>>> alright, but her daughter in Barbados and son in Ottawa, they can't >>>>> get here in time. >>>> >>>> I do feel sorry for her, just as I said. Even sorrier that >>>> she doesn't have some water on hand for emergency situations, >>>> and her kids don't make sure she's set up for it. >>>> >>>>> I can also think of someone who lives near here, 40 year old son with >>>>> a diagnosed age of 2, has to be more or less lifted into his >>>>> wheelchair, she's not going to cope too easily as she's getting up >>>>> there herself. >>>> >>>> And she doesn't keep water on hand, either. She should probably >>>> try to keep some food and water on hand with her situation. >> >>> Should, should, should - it's easy to be righteous. >> >> Righteous? You're okay with them not keeping water on hand >> for one day, hope the government comes along with a truck? >> >> No need to be snarky. >> >> nancy >> > That was snarky, wasn't it? I think *especially* people in difficult > situations, with mobility issues or whatever, should have bottled water on > hand in case of an emergency. You can't just sit around wringing your > hands and thinking > > The *really* righteous one could always bring them a couple of cases or > some gallon jugs of bottled water to stash away in case of emergency. But > apparently while she knows these hardship cases she doesn't think that > makes sense. Of course they should. But if you know really stubborn people like I do, you can't *make* them do things. If you take them something because you think they should have it, only to have them give it away again and again, eventually you give up. |
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"jmcquown" > wrote in message ... > On 6/29/2014 12:44 PM, Nancy Young wrote: >> On 6/29/2014 12:23 PM, Cheri wrote: >> >>> Do they not plan ahead and keep some bottled water on hand for >>> emergencies? A population can't always be certain that the government >>> will come through for them and they should at least be proactive in >>> something simple like having water on hand. It's not rocket science. >> >> After Sandy, we had very widespread power outages and that included >> the refineries. Only a few gas stations were open and they struggled >> to get enough tankers to keep them supplied. Many people couldn't >> even drive to anywhere to get food. >> >> Luckily we had no problems with water, but the point is you >> need to have supplies on hand to take care of yourself for >> a few days. You just don't know what can happen. Keeping >> a day's worth of water, that's just a no brainer. >> >> nancy >> >> > I agree 100%. It pays to be proactive because you never know what might > happen. It's also a good idea to keep gas in the tank of your car. I > don't drive a lot but I get itchy if the needle creeps to 1/2 tank. If I > *had* to evacuate, the two-lane route that is Hwy 21 out here would be > bumper-to-bumper, stop and start. Long lines at the few gas stations out > here. No thanks, I'll just keep the tank mostly full. > > In the case of a hurricane at least there is some warning. They can't > predict the extent of damage/outages but it's not a total surprise. > Tornados, earthquakes, uh oh. Those things can occur pretty quickly and > without much warning. So yes, you need some emergency supplies. You need > to have a plan. A plan that includes bottles of water. > > Jill Yep, we always fill the tank at 1/2, and have bottled water and canned food available. Also batteries, a couple of those LED lanterns, flashlights, and transistor small tv and radio. Of course if our house falls into a crevice during an earthquake, we're screwed, but we tried. :-) Cheri |
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"Janet" > wrote in message t... > In article >, > says... > >> I think *especially* people in difficult >> situations, with mobility issues or whatever, should have bottled water >> on hand in case of an emergency. You can't just sit around wringing >> your hands and thinking >> >> The *really* righteous one could always bring them a couple of cases or >> some gallon jugs of bottled water to stash away in case of emergency. >> But apparently while she knows these hardship cases she doesn't think >> that makes sense. > > I can think of plenty of elderly/frail people living alone who A) > can't unscrew the tops of bottles and B) could not possibly lift or move > a gallon jug . Which is why they have aids such as bottle openers and would buy smaller sized bottles. |
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"jmcquown" > wrote in message ... > On 6/29/2014 3:02 PM, Janet wrote: >> In article >, >> says... >> >>> I think *especially* people in difficult >>> situations, with mobility issues or whatever, should have bottled water >>> on hand in case of an emergency. You can't just sit around wringing >>> your hands and thinking >>> >>> The *really* righteous one could always bring them a couple of cases or >>> some gallon jugs of bottled water to stash away in case of emergency. >>> But apparently while she knows these hardship cases she doesn't think >>> that makes sense. >> >> I can think of plenty of elderly/frail people living alone who A) >> can't unscrew the tops of bottles and B) could not possibly lift or move >> a gallon jug . >> >> Janet UK >> >> > And no, of course no one sells 8 oz bottles of water or even 4 oz bottles > of water. And there are no gadgets to help unscrew a tight bottle top. Apparently not in the UK. Pity.  |
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"Janet" > wrote in message t... > In article >, > says... >> >> On 6/29/2014 12:54 PM, wrote: >> > On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 12:36:02 -0400, Nancy Young >> > > wrote: >> > >> >> On 6/29/2014 11:52 AM, wrote: >> >>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 09:47:40 -0400, Nancy Young >> >> >> >>>> I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't have the wherewithall >> >>>> to be able to take care of themselves for ONE DAY if there's >> >>>> a water situation. Imagine a real emergency. >> >> >> >>> In that 'anyone' add the old lady I just went and dug out of her >> >>> apartment and took to a Walk In Clinic. She is barely able to do >> >>> that, I doubt she would cope with a water outage. She is lucky >> >>> though that people like me who know she is there would see her >> >>> alright, but her daughter in Barbados and son in Ottawa, they can't >> >>> get here in time. >> >> >> >> I do feel sorry for her, just as I said. Even sorrier that >> >> she doesn't have some water on hand for emergency situations, >> >> and her kids don't make sure she's set up for it. >> >> >> >>> I can also think of someone who lives near here, 40 year old son with >> >>> a diagnosed age of 2, has to be more or less lifted into his >> >>> wheelchair, she's not going to cope too easily as she's getting up >> >>> there herself. >> >> >> >> And she doesn't keep water on hand, either. She should probably >> >> try to keep some food and water on hand with her situation. >> >> > Should, should, should - it's easy to be righteous. >> >> Righteous? You're okay with them not keeping water on hand >> for one day, hope the government comes along with a truck? > > What is this with "the government" coming along with a truck? I'm > talking about *the water company* providing an alternative supply to > their customers. That doesn't happen here. Is your water free? Ours isn't. |
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"Janet" > wrote in message t... > In article >, > says... >> >> On 6/29/2014 11:52 AM, wrote: >> > On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 09:47:40 -0400, Nancy Young >> >> >> I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't have the wherewithall >> >> to be able to take care of themselves for ONE DAY if there's >> >> a water situation. Imagine a real emergency. >> >> > In that 'anyone' add the old lady I just went and dug out of her >> > apartment and took to a Walk In Clinic. She is barely able to do >> > that, I doubt she would cope with a water outage. She is lucky >> > though that people like me who know she is there would see her >> > alright, but her daughter in Barbados and son in Ottawa, they can't >> > get here in time. >> >> I do feel sorry for her, just as I said. Even sorrier that >> she doesn't have some water on hand for emergency situations, >> and her kids don't make sure she's set up for it. > > How big a water storage jug do you think an old lady can lift or pour > safely? Assuming she can even undo the screwtop... OMG! Please don't think all little old ladies are that frail. My 80 year old mom isn't weak. She can easily lift a gallon bottle. She does have trouble opening bottles and jars because of arthritis which is why she has aids to help her. >> >> > I can also think of someone who lives near here, 40 year old son with >> > a diagnosed age of 2, has to be more or less lifted into his >> > wheelchair, she's not going to cope too easily as she's getting up >> > there herself. >> >> And she doesn't keep water on hand, either. She should probably >> try to keep some food and water on hand with her situation. > > It's not just about drinking water. A helpless and incontinent adult > takes a lot of cleaning up. Oh! Now they're incontinent as well? Sheesh. I don't know anyone like that. |
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"Janet" > wrote in message t... > In article >, > says... >> >> On 6/29/2014 2:02 PM, Janet wrote: >> > In article >, >> > says... >> >> >> >> On 6/29/2014 11:52 AM, wrote: >> >>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 09:47:40 -0400, Nancy Young >> >> >> >>>> I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't have the wherewithall >> >>>> to be able to take care of themselves for ONE DAY if there's >> >>>> a water situation. Imagine a real emergency. >> >> >> >>> In that 'anyone' add the old lady I just went and dug out of her >> >>> apartment and took to a Walk In Clinic. She is barely able to do >> >>> that, I doubt she would cope with a water outage. She is lucky >> >>> though that people like me who know she is there would see her >> >>> alright, but her daughter in Barbados and son in Ottawa, they can't >> >>> get here in time. >> >> >> >> I do feel sorry for her, just as I said. Even sorrier that >> >> she doesn't have some water on hand for emergency situations, >> >> and her kids don't make sure she's set up for it. >> > >> > How big a water storage jug do you think an old lady can lift or >> > pour >> > safely? Assuming she can even undo the screwtop... >> >> >> >>> I can also think of someone who lives near here, 40 year old son with >> >>> a diagnosed age of 2, has to be more or less lifted into his >> >>> wheelchair, she's not going to cope too easily as she's getting up >> >>> there herself. >> >> >> >> And she doesn't keep water on hand, either. She should probably >> >> try to keep some food and water on hand with her situation. >> > >> > It's not just about drinking water. A helpless and incontinent adult >> > takes a lot of cleaning up. >> > >> > Janet UK >> > >> I had to change my mother's adult diapers so don't tell me about that. >> There are wipes, just as there are for babies. But also just another >> reason to have some bottles of water on hand. They don't have to be >> huge jugs of water. And they make all sorts of gadgets for helping >> loosen screw-tops on different size bottles and jars. >> >> I really don't know why this has turned into a point of contention. Are >> you really suggesting it's a bad idea to be prepared? > > Of course not. But in real life, it's very often the most vulnerable > people who are the least well prepared. > > In this country, the power and water companies keep a list of the > most vulnerable customers; who will be prioritised for help during an > outage. > AFAIK they don't do that here. |
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"Janet" > wrote in message t... > In article >, > says... >> I'm not sure what incontinence has to do with not having running >> water. > > I can only suppose either, you've never had to deal with an > incontinent adult (over and over again), or you left them in it long > enough to get bedsores. > > Trust me, cleaning up an incapable and possibly unco-operative adult > who has diarrhoea, takes a bit more than a moist baby wipe. Yep, it might take several wipes, bottled water, and a towel even, but if they're being left long enough to develop bedsores, then you probably have bigger problems with the disaster than you anticipated, and will be really glad you prepared ahead. Cheri |
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"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message ... > On 6/29/2014 6:44 AM, wrote: > >> What about going to work sans shower ? >> > > Frequent showering is a fairly modern tradition. Once a week used to be > plenty. Some dermatologists recommend limiting showers to 3 or 4 times a > week. I managed to do just fine for two months with no shower. Of course I would have preferred one. I just bought all sorts of adult wipes and baby wipes. I learned that if I tied two or more together at the corners (depending on their size) I could put them diagonally across my back and scrub that area as well. Actually a lot of seniors develop a fear of water and won't bathe. |
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On 6/29/2014 1:07 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> Some people have low standards of personal hygiene, and may even have > numb noses. One of my former co-workers used to wear the same shirt all > week. No problem on say one of the week. One day two he had BO. By day > three... stand clear. > > In the winter, it is easy to skip a day for most people, but I've never worn a shirt more than two days (in cool weather), and not in a row. Some perspire profusely and must shower daily or they stink. Everyone is different. |
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"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message ... > On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 15:57:10 -0400, Dave Smith > > wrote: > >>On 2014-06-29 3:11 PM, Janet wrote: >> >>> I can only suppose either, you've never had to deal with an >>> incontinent adult (over and over again), or you left them in it long >>> enough to get bedsores. >>> >>> Trust me, cleaning up an incapable and possibly unco-operative adult >>> who has diarrhoea, takes a bit more than a moist baby wipe. >> >>If I ever find myself dealing with cleaning up diarrhea on am >>uncooperative adult I can see myself becoming uncooperative. > > One day someone may need to clean you, would you rather they shoot > you... you must live a very sheltered life, never even been in a > hospital. *Uncooperative" was the key word there, did you miss it? Cheri |
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"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message ... > On 6/29/2014 9:32 AM, Dave Smith wrote: > >>> >>> Frequent showering is a fairly modern tradition. Once a week used to be >>> plenty. Some dermatologists recommend limiting showers to 3 or 4 times >>> a week. >> >> >> I can think of a few people who could increase their frequency of >> showering. I have a shower at least one a day, but I only use soap on >> certain areas. I do not lather up every square inch of my body. >> >> When it is hot and sticky a cool shower 2-3 times a day is very >> refreshing. > > I still only take one shower, but hide in air conditioned environment most > of the time. AC is one of the greatest inventions of the past 100 or so > years. Ranks right up with locking mail boxes. We don't have AC because it doesn't get hot enough here for a long enough amount of time to warrant it. I may have taken a shower twice a day on occasion, but I don't think I ever did it three times. |
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"jmcquown" > wrote in message ... > On 6/29/2014 1:07 PM, Dave Smith wrote: >> On 2014-06-29 11:46 AM, wrote: >>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 08:45:49 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote: >>> >>>> On 6/29/2014 6:44 AM, wrote: >>>> >>>>> What about going to work sans shower ? >>>>> >>>> >>>> Frequent showering is a fairly modern tradition. Once a week used to >>>> be >>>> plenty. Some dermatologists recommend limiting showers to 3 or 4 times >>>> a week. >>> >>> In my dotage, I agree with them, ones skin can no longer take it, but >>> up until I retired, shower in the morning - have a heart for your >>> office compatriots  >> >> Some people have low standards of personal hygiene, and may even have >> numb noses. One of my former co-workers used to wear the same shirt all >> week. No problem on say one of the week. One day two he had BO. By day >> three... stand clear. >> >> > LOL There was a temp employee who always had really bad BO. I suspect he > simply never bothered to take showers. It was like sitting next to > 'Pigpen' from the old Charlie Brown cartoon. > > I felt sorry for my supervisor because she had to address this issue with > him. She was embarrassed. Nothing much changed, so after another week > she told the temp agency not to send him back. I worked with a gal like that. Thing was, she always looked very clean. She was a very nice person. I suspect that she had a medical problem of some sort. |
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"Julie Bove" > wrote in message ... > > "The Other Guy" > wrote in message > ... >> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 03:17:41 -0700, "Julie Bove" > >> wrote: >> >>> >>>"The Other Guy" > wrote in message ... >>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 20:41:17 -0400, S Viemeister >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>>On 6/28/2014 3:17 PM, jmcquown wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> What I can't fathom is the water company delivering bottled water to >>>>>> *thousands* of customers in a remote area due to a possible 24 hour >>>>>> outage. Why would Janet UK think they would? >>>>>> >>>>>Scottish Water have delivered bottled water (cases of it!) to my front >>>>>door when we've had major outages. >>>> >>>> It's what civilized places do. >>> >>>Or more likely what places with few people do. I can't imagine that ever >>>happening here. >> >> San Diego is the 7th largest city in the US, and THEY do it. > > Well, I guess it never made the news here. It never made the news in Northern CA either. Cheri |
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> wrote in message ... > On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 09:27:22 -0700, "Pico Rico" > > wrote: > >> >>"Cheri" > wrote in message ... >>> >>> "Janet" > wrote in message >>> t... >>> >>>> It is in remote areas miles from shops, to the housebound, sick, >>>> incontinent, bottlefed infants in nappies etc. A water company can't >>>> always be certain of repair within the advertised time. >>>> >>>> Janet UK >>> >>> Do they not plan ahead and keep some bottled water on hand for >>> emergencies? A population can't always be certain that the government >>> will >>> come through for them and they should at least be proactive in something >>> simple like having water on hand. It's not rocket science. >>> >> >> >>we are always told that in time of emergency, don't count on any help for >>three days. And this is not the boonies, it is civilization. In a real >>emergency, there will be a need that will outstrip the available aid, >>until >>things get sorted out and some systems come back on line allowing the aid >>to >>go further. >> > Well fortunately around here people realise that elderly people have > enough trouble coping with day to day so they look out for them, > particularly in times when there is something catastrophic. > > What do they do around your place ? Let everyone fall between the > cracks, perhaps go without, die maybe ? I am sure they take great > satisfaction in telling "You should have been prepared" ! Were we talking about the elderly here? Or tiny babies? Or the mentally challenged? Or the handicapped? Well, actually we weren't. We were talking about a capable person being prepared. And hopefully all of the above have people looking out for them that are prepared. Cheri |
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> wrote in message news  > On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 12:36:02 -0400, Nancy Young > > wrote: > >>On 6/29/2014 11:52 AM, wrote: >>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 09:47:40 -0400, Nancy Young >> >>>> I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't have the wherewithall >>>> to be able to take care of themselves for ONE DAY if there's >>>> a water situation. Imagine a real emergency. >> >>> In that 'anyone' add the old lady I just went and dug out of her >>> apartment and took to a Walk In Clinic. She is barely able to do >>> that, I doubt she would cope with a water outage. She is lucky >>> though that people like me who know she is there would see her >>> alright, but her daughter in Barbados and son in Ottawa, they can't >>> get here in time. >> >>I do feel sorry for her, just as I said. Even sorrier that >>she doesn't have some water on hand for emergency situations, >>and her kids don't make sure she's set up for it. >> >>> I can also think of someone who lives near here, 40 year old son with >>> a diagnosed age of 2, has to be more or less lifted into his >>> wheelchair, she's not going to cope too easily as she's getting up >>> there herself. >> >>And she doesn't keep water on hand, either. She should probably >>try to keep some food and water on hand with her situation. >> >>nancy > > > Should, should, should - it's easy to be righteous. It's easy to let someone else do the preparation too, and then bitch because the food was cold or some such. Cheri |
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> wrote in message ... > Around here they say what goes around, comes around, you'll be old and > feeble too one day - perhaps. I might be, but at least there will be many provisions for the caretakers to choose from. Provisions that I stocked up on before I became feeble, and before there was a disaster. Cheri |
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"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message ... > On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 10:57:06 -0700, "Pico Rico" > > wrote: > >> >>"jmcquown" > wrote in message ... >>> On 6/29/2014 1:03 PM, Nancy Young wrote: >>>> On 6/29/2014 12:54 PM, wrote: >>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 12:36:02 -0400, Nancy Young >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 6/29/2014 11:52 AM, wrote: >>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 09:47:40 -0400, Nancy Young >>>>>> >>>>>>>> I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't have the wherewithall >>>>>>>> to be able to take care of themselves for ONE DAY if there's >>>>>>>> a water situation. Imagine a real emergency. >>>>>> >>>>>>> In that 'anyone' add the old lady I just went and dug out of her >>>>>>> apartment and took to a Walk In Clinic. She is barely able to do >>>>>>> that, I doubt she would cope with a water outage. She is lucky >>>>>>> though that people like me who know she is there would see her >>>>>>> alright, but her daughter in Barbados and son in Ottawa, they can't >>>>>>> get here in time. >>>>>> >>>>>> I do feel sorry for her, just as I said. Even sorrier that >>>>>> she doesn't have some water on hand for emergency situations, >>>>>> and her kids don't make sure she's set up for it. >>>>>> >>>>>>> I can also think of someone who lives near here, 40 year old son >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> a diagnosed age of 2, has to be more or less lifted into his >>>>>>> wheelchair, she's not going to cope too easily as she's getting up >>>>>>> there herself. >>>>>> >>>>>> And she doesn't keep water on hand, either. She should probably >>>>>> try to keep some food and water on hand with her situation. >>>> >>>>> Should, should, should - it's easy to be righteous. >>>> >>>> Righteous? You're okay with them not keeping water on hand >>>> for one day, hope the government comes along with a truck? >>>> >>>> No need to be snarky. >>>> >>>> nancy >>>> >>> That was snarky, wasn't it? I think *especially* people in difficult >>> situations, with mobility issues or whatever, should have bottled water >>> on >>> hand in case of an emergency. You can't just sit around wringing your >>> hands and thinking >> >>I think the A.D.A. is having the effect that everyone is expecting someone >>to take care of their special needs for them, and they have less >>responsibility for themselves than regular folks. > > Where I live folks regularly check on their elderly and infirm > neighbors emergency or not. The woman living diagonally accross the > road is in her 90s and lives alone, she is still able to get around, > even drives her tractor, but if I don't see her grass mowed or her > driveway isn't plowed I check. Everyone here is on a private well and > we have occasional power outages, when the power is out more than a > few hours neighbors check on each other. Hurricane Sandy hit this > area hard, people were without power for more than a week, Walmart > brought in huge truckloads of bottled water for anyone to have for > free. There are plenty of criks hereabout so there's always terlit > flushing water. I think that's true of just about everybody and where they live. People have no idea what people do for others on a daily basis that isn't broadcast in a newsgroup, it's just normal living. We were talking about being prepared for an emergency, but of course it quickly degraded into a bunch of "you don't care for others" "leaving the elderly to die" etc. which gives some a chance to take others to task. LOL Cheri |
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"Janet" > wrote in message t... > In article >, > says... > >> I think *especially* people in difficult >> situations, with mobility issues or whatever, should have bottled water >> on hand in case of an emergency. You can't just sit around wringing >> your hands and thinking >> >> The *really* righteous one could always bring them a couple of cases or >> some gallon jugs of bottled water to stash away in case of emergency. >> But apparently while she knows these hardship cases she doesn't think >> that makes sense. > > I can think of plenty of elderly/frail people living alone who A) > can't unscrew the tops of bottles and B) could not possibly lift or move > a gallon jug . > > Janet UK But the point is, if the water was there, someone (assuming others would at least look in on them where you live) could do it for them so they wouldn't die of thirst. Cheri |
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"Dave Smith" > wrote in message ... > It's all well and good to say what an elderly house bound person should > have on hand for emergencies. Let's just hope that those responsible for > their care make sure that they have it and that stores of those things are > replenished. There ya go, I think that was the main point. Cheri |
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On 6/29/2014 8:10 PM, Cheri wrote:
> > > wrote in message > ... > >> Around here they say what goes around, comes around, you'll be old and >> feeble too one day - perhaps. > > I might be, but at least there will be many provisions for the > caretakers to choose from. Provisions that I stocked up on before I > became feeble, and before there was a disaster. > > Cheri Ah, Cheri, a voice of reason. Having a stock of basic provisions simply makes sense, *especially* if your circumstances dictate you can't easily get to the store. Jill |
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"jmcquown" > wrote in message ... > We're self-centered because we believe in planning for emergencies? That's > a ridiculous statement. > > Jill This whole thread became ridiculous as soon as people jumped in over *perceived* abuses of the elderly and infirm from besores to diarrhea. LOL I'm done. Cheri |
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"jmcquown" > wrote in message ... > On 6/29/2014 8:10 PM, Cheri wrote: >> >> > wrote in message >> ... >> >>> Around here they say what goes around, comes around, you'll be old and >>> feeble too one day - perhaps. >> >> I might be, but at least there will be many provisions for the >> caretakers to choose from. Provisions that I stocked up on before I >> became feeble, and before there was a disaster. >> >> Cheri > > Ah, Cheri, a voice of reason. Having a stock of basic provisions > simply makes sense, *especially* if your circumstances dictate you can't > easily get to the store. > > Jill I don't get all the hostility simply because we said it was a good idea to prepare for disastrous events. Oh well. Cheri |
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On 6/29/2014 8:21 PM, Cheri wrote:
> > "Janet" > wrote in message > t... >> In article >, >> says... >> >>> I think *especially* people in difficult >>> situations, with mobility issues or whatever, should have bottled water >>> on hand in case of an emergency. You can't just sit around wringing >>> your hands and thinking >>> >>> The *really* righteous one could always bring them a couple of cases or >>> some gallon jugs of bottled water to stash away in case of emergency. >>> But apparently while she knows these hardship cases she doesn't think >>> that makes sense. >> >> I can think of plenty of elderly/frail people living alone who A) >> can't unscrew the tops of bottles and B) could not possibly lift or move >> a gallon jug . >> >> Janet UK > > But the point is, if the water was there, someone (assuming others would > at least look in on them where you live) could do it for them so they > wouldn't die of thirst. > > Cheri > Not to mention, bottled water doesn't have to come in gallon or more jugs. That happens to be what I have on hand, but you can buy much smaller bottles of water. Seems like a no-brainer to already have it on hand. I guess that makes too much sense. Jill |
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On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 20:24:09 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>In article >, >says... >> >> On 6/29/2014 2:02 PM, Janet wrote: >> > In article >, >> > says... >> >> >> >> On 6/29/2014 11:52 AM, wrote: >> >>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 09:47:40 -0400, Nancy Young >> >> >> >>>> I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't have the wherewithall >> >>>> to be able to take care of themselves for ONE DAY if there's >> >>>> a water situation. Imagine a real emergency. >> >> >> >>> In that 'anyone' add the old lady I just went and dug out of her >> >>> apartment and took to a Walk In Clinic. She is barely able to do >> >>> that, I doubt she would cope with a water outage. She is lucky >> >>> though that people like me who know she is there would see her >> >>> alright, but her daughter in Barbados and son in Ottawa, they can't >> >>> get here in time. >> >> >> >> I do feel sorry for her, just as I said. Even sorrier that >> >> she doesn't have some water on hand for emergency situations, >> >> and her kids don't make sure she's set up for it. >> > >> > How big a water storage jug do you think an old lady can lift or pour >> > safely? Assuming she can even undo the screwtop... >> >> >> >>> I can also think of someone who lives near here, 40 year old son with >> >>> a diagnosed age of 2, has to be more or less lifted into his >> >>> wheelchair, she's not going to cope too easily as she's getting up >> >>> there herself. >> >> >> >> And she doesn't keep water on hand, either. She should probably >> >> try to keep some food and water on hand with her situation. >> > >> > It's not just about drinking water. A helpless and incontinent adult >> > takes a lot of cleaning up. >> > >> > Janet UK >> > >> I had to change my mother's adult diapers so don't tell me about that. >> There are wipes, just as there are for babies. But also just another >> reason to have some bottles of water on hand. They don't have to be >> huge jugs of water. And they make all sorts of gadgets for helping >> loosen screw-tops on different size bottles and jars. >> >> I really don't know why this has turned into a point of contention. Are >> you really suggesting it's a bad idea to be prepared? > > Of course not. But in real life, it's very often the most vulnerable >people who are the least well prepared. > > In this country, the power and water companies keep a list of the >most vulnerable customers; who will be prioritised for help during an >outage. The same is done here in the US. I used to volunteer for meals on wheels... there are many agencies that arrange for those who need care. I served food to many who even if they were given bottled water wouldn't know what to do with it. There are a lot of people out there of all ages who need help every day... I used to spoon feed people who even given free food couldn't feed themselves. There are a lot of people out therewho need help, it's sad so few are willing to help... it's rediculous to assume people are faulted for not helping themselves, the idiots don't realize that many can't help themselves. All I can hope is some day shit happens to them, maybe they'll learn, but I doubt it, learning requires a functional brain. |
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