"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/29/2014 1:03 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>> On 6/29/2014 12:54 PM, wrote:
>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 12:36:02 -0400, Nancy Young
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/29/2014 11:52 AM, wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 09:47:40 -0400, Nancy Young
>>>>
>>>>>> I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't have the wherewithall
>>>>>> to be able to take care of themselves for ONE DAY if there's
>>>>>> a water situation. Imagine a real emergency.
>>>>
>>>>> In that 'anyone' add the old lady I just went and dug out of her
>>>>> apartment and took to a Walk In Clinic. She is barely able to do
>>>>> that, I doubt she would cope with a water outage. She is lucky
>>>>> though that people like me who know she is there would see her
>>>>> alright, but her daughter in Barbados and son in Ottawa, they can't
>>>>> get here in time.
>>>>
>>>> I do feel sorry for her, just as I said. Even sorrier that
>>>> she doesn't have some water on hand for emergency situations,
>>>> and her kids don't make sure she's set up for it.
>>>>
>>>>> I can also think of someone who lives near here, 40 year old son with
>>>>> a diagnosed age of 2, has to be more or less lifted into his
>>>>> wheelchair, she's not going to cope too easily as she's getting up
>>>>> there herself.
>>>>
>>>> And she doesn't keep water on hand, either. She should probably
>>>> try to keep some food and water on hand with her situation.
>>
>>> Should, should, should - it's easy to be righteous.
>>
>> Righteous? You're okay with them not keeping water on hand
>> for one day, hope the government comes along with a truck?
>>
>> No need to be snarky.
>>
>> nancy
>>
> That was snarky, wasn't it? I think *especially* people in difficult
> situations, with mobility issues or whatever, should have bottled water on
> hand in case of an emergency. You can't just sit around wringing your
> hands and thinking

I think the A.D.A. is having the effect that everyone is expecting someone
to take care of their special needs for them, and they have less
responsibility for themselves than regular folks.

On 6/29/2014 1:43 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 6/29/2014 1:27 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote
>
>>> http://i62.tinypic.com/opzcpv.jpg
>>>
>>> Still no makeup, but hey, I do have hair.
>>
>> No, no .. that could be a wig attached to the hat ... ;-)
>
> ooo, let me check, did she put in her dentures for this picture??
>
> (laugh)
>
> nancy

(giggling) Darn, I lost my dentures! Obviously I don't have teeth
because I didn't give the camera a full smile. :-D

Jill

On 2014-06-29 1:47 PM, jmcquown wrote:

> LOL There was a temp employee who always had really bad BO. I suspect
> he simply never bothered to take showers. It was like sitting next to
> 'Pigpen' from the old Charlie Brown cartoon.
>
> I felt sorry for my supervisor because she had to address this issue
> with him. She was embarrassed. Nothing much changed, so after another
> week she told the temp agency not to send him back.
>
When I was in high school there were two sisters who were both quite
good looking and always dressed nicely though in that SNL wild and
crazy guy sort of way, but who seemed to reinforce a stereotype of that
nationality. Walking down the hall your nose could tell you one of the
Tranginowski sisters had passed that way.

In article >,
says...
>
> On 6/29/2014 11:52 AM, wrote:
> > On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 09:47:40 -0400, Nancy Young
>
> >> I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't have the wherewithall
> >> to be able to take care of themselves for ONE DAY if there's
> >> a water situation. Imagine a real emergency.
>
> > In that 'anyone' add the old lady I just went and dug out of her
> > apartment and took to a Walk In Clinic. She is barely able to do
> > that, I doubt she would cope with a water outage. She is lucky
> > though that people like me who know she is there would see her
> > alright, but her daughter in Barbados and son in Ottawa, they can't
> > get here in time.
>
> I do feel sorry for her, just as I said. Even sorrier that
> she doesn't have some water on hand for emergency situations,
> and her kids don't make sure she's set up for it.

How big a water storage jug do you think an old lady can lift or pour
safely? Assuming she can even undo the screwtop...
>
> > I can also think of someone who lives near here, 40 year old son with
> > a diagnosed age of 2, has to be more or less lifted into his
> > wheelchair, she's not going to cope too easily as she's getting up
> > there herself.
>
> And she doesn't keep water on hand, either. She should probably
> try to keep some food and water on hand with her situation.

It's not just about drinking water. A helpless and incontinent adult
takes a lot of cleaning up.

Janet UK

On 6/29/2014 2:02 PM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...

>> I do feel sorry for her, just as I said. Even sorrier that
>> she doesn't have some water on hand for emergency situations,
>> and her kids don't make sure she's set up for it.
>
> How big a water storage jug do you think an old lady can lift or pour
> safely? Assuming she can even undo the screwtop...

If only there was a way to bottle water in smaller amounts.

And devices to help arthritics to open them. Or neighbors.

>> And she doesn't keep water on hand, either. She should probably
>> try to keep some food and water on hand with her situation.
>
> It's not just about drinking water. A helpless and incontinent adult
> takes a lot of cleaning up.

Definitely, these are the people who should not have water
on hand. People who need more water than others. That's what
I'm hearing.

nancy

On 6/29/2014 2:02 PM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On 6/29/2014 11:52 AM, wrote:
>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 09:47:40 -0400, Nancy Young
>>
>>>> I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't have the wherewithall
>>>> to be able to take care of themselves for ONE DAY if there's
>>>> a water situation. Imagine a real emergency.
>>
>>> In that 'anyone' add the old lady I just went and dug out of her
>>> apartment and took to a Walk In Clinic. She is barely able to do
>>> that, I doubt she would cope with a water outage. She is lucky
>>> though that people like me who know she is there would see her
>>> alright, but her daughter in Barbados and son in Ottawa, they can't
>>> get here in time.
>>
>> I do feel sorry for her, just as I said. Even sorrier that
>> she doesn't have some water on hand for emergency situations,
>> and her kids don't make sure she's set up for it.
>
> How big a water storage jug do you think an old lady can lift or pour
> safely? Assuming she can even undo the screwtop...
>>
>>> I can also think of someone who lives near here, 40 year old son with
>>> a diagnosed age of 2, has to be more or less lifted into his
>>> wheelchair, she's not going to cope too easily as she's getting up
>>> there herself.
>>
>> And she doesn't keep water on hand, either. She should probably
>> try to keep some food and water on hand with her situation.
>
> It's not just about drinking water. A helpless and incontinent adult
> takes a lot of cleaning up.
>
> Janet UK
>
I had to change my mother's adult diapers so don't tell me about that.
There are wipes, just as there are for babies. But also just another
reason to have some bottles of water on hand. They don't have to be
huge jugs of water. And they make all sorts of gadgets for helping
loosen screw-tops on different size bottles and jars.

I really don't know why this has turned into a point of contention. Are
you really suggesting it's a bad idea to be prepared?

Jill

On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 09:27:22 -0700, "Pico Rico"
> wrote:

> we are always told that in time of emergency, don't count on any help for
> three days. And this is not the boonies, it is civilization. In a real
> emergency, there will be a need that will outstrip the available aid, until
> things get sorted out and some systems come back on line allowing the aid to
> go further.

Exactly.

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 12:57:01 -0300, wrote:

> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 08:33:17 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 07:48:51 -0300, wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 21:23:15 -0700, sf > wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 18:38:20 -0700, The Other Guy
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 20:41:17 -0400, S Viemeister
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On 6/28/2014 3:17 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> What I can't fathom is the water company delivering bottled water to
> >> >> >> *thousands* of customers in a remote area due to a possible 24 hour
> >> >> >> outage. Why would Janet UK think they would?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >Scottish Water have delivered bottled water (cases of it!) to my front
> >> >> >door when we've had major outages.
> >> >>
> >> >> It's what civilized places do.
> >> >
> >> >Civilized places would figure out how not to have those continual
> >> >outages.
> >>
> >> Likely the water mains she talks about were put in place long before
> >> the USA was even on the map ! They delivered water here when there
> >> was a major outage after a hurricane, it is what civilized places do!
> >
> >Your hurricane situation was different and lasted a longer amount of
> >time than normal water main breaks. The idiots who stuck around to be
> >in a hurricane should have thought ahead to order their own water
> >delivered, it's not like they didn't have ample warning a storm was
> >coming.
>
> That really does not make sense. The hurricane last twenty four hours
> but the power outage that lasted a week meant no water from my well. A
> drilled well, 300ft deep, no way water comes out of that without a
> pump!
>
> I stayed in my house and am curious as to why you think that is
> idiotic - I was perfectly safe.

That's the attitude all the people you're saying were so badly off
after the hurricane hit had beforehand. Don't complain afterward if
you don't heed the warnings and get out of the way of danger when
you're told to do it.

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 13:05:19 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 2014-06-29 11:34 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 00:13:40 -0700, Oregonian Haruspex
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> People in the UK are much more used to the system taking care of their
> >> needs. We have more of a frontier spirit in the USA.
> >
> > When it's a country the size of Michigan, I suppose they can grow to
> > expect that to happen.
> >
>
>
> Michigan is a bad example to compare in the provision of any types of
> social or public services.

It was a size comparison. You and Pete C seem to be on the same
kitchen sink argument page today.

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

In article >,
says...
>
> On 6/29/2014 12:54 PM, wrote:
> > On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 12:36:02 -0400, Nancy Young
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> On 6/29/2014 11:52 AM, wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 09:47:40 -0400, Nancy Young
> >>
> >>>> I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't have the wherewithall
> >>>> to be able to take care of themselves for ONE DAY if there's
> >>>> a water situation. Imagine a real emergency.
> >>
> >>> In that 'anyone' add the old lady I just went and dug out of her
> >>> apartment and took to a Walk In Clinic. She is barely able to do
> >>> that, I doubt she would cope with a water outage. She is lucky
> >>> though that people like me who know she is there would see her
> >>> alright, but her daughter in Barbados and son in Ottawa, they can't
> >>> get here in time.
> >>
> >> I do feel sorry for her, just as I said. Even sorrier that
> >> she doesn't have some water on hand for emergency situations,
> >> and her kids don't make sure she's set up for it.
> >>
> >>> I can also think of someone who lives near here, 40 year old son with
> >>> a diagnosed age of 2, has to be more or less lifted into his
> >>> wheelchair, she's not going to cope too easily as she's getting up
> >>> there herself.
> >>
> >> And she doesn't keep water on hand, either. She should probably
> >> try to keep some food and water on hand with her situation.
>
> > Should, should, should - it's easy to be righteous.
>
> Righteous? You're okay with them not keeping water on hand
> for one day, hope the government comes along with a truck?

What is this with "the government" coming along with a truck? I'm
talking about *the water company* providing an alternative supply to
their customers.

Janet UK

In article >,
says...

> I think *especially* people in difficult
> situations, with mobility issues or whatever, should have bottled water
> on hand in case of an emergency. You can't just sit around wringing
> your hands and thinking
>
> The *really* righteous one could always bring them a couple of cases or
> some gallon jugs of bottled water to stash away in case of emergency.
> But apparently while she knows these hardship cases she doesn't think
> that makes sense.

I can think of plenty of elderly/frail people living alone who A)
can't unscrew the tops of bottles and B) could not possibly lift or move
a gallon jug .

Janet UK

On 6/29/2014 2:58 PM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...

>> Righteous? You're okay with them not keeping water on hand
>> for one day, hope the government comes along with a truck?
>
> What is this with "the government" coming along with a truck? I'm
> talking about *the water company* providing an alternative supply to
> their customers.

You're so literal. Whoever it is that brings the elderly and
able bodied small easy to handle unscrew top water in the evernt
of any small outage.

nancy

In article >,
says...
> I'm not sure what incontinence has to do with not having running
> water.

I can only suppose either, you've never had to deal with an
incontinent adult (over and over again), or you left them in it long
enough to get bedsores.

Trust me, cleaning up an incapable and possibly unco-operative adult
who has diarrhoea, takes a bit more than a moist baby wipe.

Janet UK.

On 6/29/2014 11:43 AM, Pico Rico wrote:
> "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
> eb.com...
>> On 6/28/2014 11:41 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> "Pico Rico" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 6/28/2014 12:54 PM, Janet wrote:
>>>>>> Surely your water supply co will deliver bottled water, or a shared
>>>>>> bowser?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Janet UK
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a term that skated right over my head. What on earth is a
>>>>> shared bowser?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> a bowser is a water tender.
>>>
>>> What in the world is a water tender?
>>
>> A water truck.
>>
>
> What the heck is a water truck?
>
> You mean lorrie?
>
>
I had to assume Julie wouldn't know what a lorry was, either.

--
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Way-the-heck-south Texas
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In article >,
says...
>
> On 6/29/2014 2:02 PM, Janet wrote:
> > In article >,
> > says...
> >>
> >> On 6/29/2014 11:52 AM, wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 09:47:40 -0400, Nancy Young
> >>
> >>>> I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't have the wherewithall
> >>>> to be able to take care of themselves for ONE DAY if there's
> >>>> a water situation. Imagine a real emergency.
> >>
> >>> In that 'anyone' add the old lady I just went and dug out of her
> >>> apartment and took to a Walk In Clinic. She is barely able to do
> >>> that, I doubt she would cope with a water outage. She is lucky
> >>> though that people like me who know she is there would see her
> >>> alright, but her daughter in Barbados and son in Ottawa, they can't
> >>> get here in time.
> >>
> >> I do feel sorry for her, just as I said. Even sorrier that
> >> she doesn't have some water on hand for emergency situations,
> >> and her kids don't make sure she's set up for it.
> >
> > How big a water storage jug do you think an old lady can lift or pour
> > safely? Assuming she can even undo the screwtop...
> >>
> >>> I can also think of someone who lives near here, 40 year old son with
> >>> a diagnosed age of 2, has to be more or less lifted into his
> >>> wheelchair, she's not going to cope too easily as she's getting up
> >>> there herself.
> >>
> >> And she doesn't keep water on hand, either. She should probably
> >> try to keep some food and water on hand with her situation.
> >
> > It's not just about drinking water. A helpless and incontinent adult
> > takes a lot of cleaning up.
> >
> > Janet UK
> >
> I had to change my mother's adult diapers so don't tell me about that.
> There are wipes, just as there are for babies. But also just another
> reason to have some bottles of water on hand. They don't have to be
> huge jugs of water. And they make all sorts of gadgets for helping
> loosen screw-tops on different size bottles and jars.
>
> I really don't know why this has turned into a point of contention. Are
> you really suggesting it's a bad idea to be prepared?

Of course not. But in real life, it's very often the most vulnerable
people who are the least well prepared.

In this country, the power and water companies keep a list of the
most vulnerable customers; who will be prioritised for help during an
outage.

Janet.

On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 10:57:06 -0700, "Pico Rico"
> wrote:

>
>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
>> On 6/29/2014 1:03 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>> On 6/29/2014 12:54 PM, wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 12:36:02 -0400, Nancy Young
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/29/2014 11:52 AM, wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 09:47:40 -0400, Nancy Young
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't have the wherewithall
>>>>>>> to be able to take care of themselves for ONE DAY if there's
>>>>>>> a water situation. Imagine a real emergency.
>>>>>
>>>>>> In that 'anyone' add the old lady I just went and dug out of her
>>>>>> apartment and took to a Walk In Clinic. She is barely able to do
>>>>>> that, I doubt she would cope with a water outage. She is lucky
>>>>>> though that people like me who know she is there would see her
>>>>>> alright, but her daughter in Barbados and son in Ottawa, they can't
>>>>>> get here in time.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do feel sorry for her, just as I said. Even sorrier that
>>>>> she doesn't have some water on hand for emergency situations,
>>>>> and her kids don't make sure she's set up for it.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I can also think of someone who lives near here, 40 year old son with
>>>>>> a diagnosed age of 2, has to be more or less lifted into his
>>>>>> wheelchair, she's not going to cope too easily as she's getting up
>>>>>> there herself.
>>>>>
>>>>> And she doesn't keep water on hand, either. She should probably
>>>>> try to keep some food and water on hand with her situation.
>>>
>>>> Should, should, should - it's easy to be righteous.
>>>
>>> Righteous? You're okay with them not keeping water on hand
>>> for one day, hope the government comes along with a truck?
>>>
>>> No need to be snarky.
>>>
>>> nancy
>>>
>> That was snarky, wasn't it? I think *especially* people in difficult
>> situations, with mobility issues or whatever, should have bottled water on
>> hand in case of an emergency. You can't just sit around wringing your
>> hands and thinking
>
>I think the A.D.A. is having the effect that everyone is expecting someone
>to take care of their special needs for them, and they have less
>responsibility for themselves than regular folks.

Where I live folks regularly check on their elderly and infirm
neighbors emergency or not. The woman living diagonally accross the
road is in her 90s and lives alone, she is still able to get around,
even drives her tractor, but if I don't see her grass mowed or her
driveway isn't plowed I check. Everyone here is on a private well and
we have occasional power outages, when the power is out more than a
few hours neighbors check on each other. Hurricane Sandy hit this
area hard, people were without power for more than a week, Walmart
brought in huge truckloads of bottled water for anyone to have for
free. There are plenty of criks hereabout so there's always terlit
flushing water.

On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 09:05:46 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

> I think Jill looks just fine too, and it's obvious her
> hair is pulled back. FO E&S

Yup.

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

On 6/29/2014 3:33 PM, wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 13:42:22 -0400, Nancy Young
> > wrote:
>
>> On 6/29/2014 1:35 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> We're self-centered because we believe in planning for emergencies?
>>> That's a ridiculous statement.
>>
>> I mean, who argues that people shouldn't have extra water,
>> especially if they are someone with problems even if there
>> aren't emergency situations.
>>
>> Okey dokey, then. The thread has jumped the shark.

> It's become ridiculous but interesting in showing younger people have
> zero tolerance for elderly.

That's quite a leap of logic.

But you don't know me, so think what you want.

nancy

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 09:27:22 -0700, "Pico Rico"
> > wrote:
>
>> we are always told that in time of emergency, don't count on any help for
>> three days. And this is not the boonies, it is civilization. In a real
>> emergency, there will be a need that will outstrip the available aid,
>> until
>> things get sorted out and some systems come back on line allowing the aid
>> to
>> go further.
>
> Exactly.


sf, I always get a tear in my eye when you agree with me. Not that it
happens all that much!

On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 14:03:27 -0300, wrote:

>On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 12:59:26 -0400, jmcquown >
>wrote:
>
>>On 6/29/2014 12:36 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>> On 6/29/2014 11:52 AM, wrote:
>>>
>>>> In that 'anyone' add the old lady I just went and dug out of her
>>>> apartment and took to a Walk In Clinic. She is barely able to do
>>>> that, I doubt she would cope with a water outage. She is lucky
>>>> though that people like me who know she is there would see her
>>>> alright, but her daughter in Barbados and son in Ottawa, they can't
>>>> get here in time.
>>>
>>> I do feel sorry for her, just as I said. Even sorrier that
>>> she doesn't have some water on hand for emergency situations,
>>> and her kids don't make sure she's set up for it.
>>>
>>>> I can also think of someone who lives near here, 40 year old son with
>>>> a diagnosed age of 2, has to be more or less lifted into his
>>>> wheelchair, she's not going to cope too easily as she's getting up
>>>> there herself.
>>>
>>> And she doesn't keep water on hand, either. She should probably
>>> try to keep some food and water on hand with her situation.
>>>
>>> nancy
>>>
>>It's a fact some people aren't able to take care of themselves. It's
>>still common sense to keep some emergency supplies on hand. Especially
>>water.
>>
>>Jill
>
>You and Nancy can come back and tell us how prepared you are at age
>98.
>
>Do you two ever happen to come in contact with elderly people ? Maybe
>you just live in your cloud land. As regards parents of young kids,
>I had more than enough to worry about when mine were kidlets than if I
>had water for a few days!!
>
>You both sound terribly self-centred.

There are plenty of folks a lot younger than 98 who need to be
regulary checked, costs nothing to phone a neighbor and/or walk next
door. A lot of my neighbors have pets and/or livestock and
occasionally they could use a hand... people can be fine most of the
time but anyone could become ill and could use help, no big deal
feeding someones few chickens for few days, a lot of folks are
embarrassed to ask for help. It pays to be a good boyscout, never
know when the shoe is on the other foot. I suppose that's one of the
reasons I like living rural, country folk may never seem to notice you
but anyone asks for help they don't need to ask twice.

On 2014-06-29 3:11 PM, Janet wrote:

> I can only suppose either, you've never had to deal with an
> incontinent adult (over and over again), or you left them in it long
> enough to get bedsores.
>
> Trust me, cleaning up an incapable and possibly unco-operative adult
> who has diarrhoea, takes a bit more than a moist baby wipe.

If I ever find myself dealing with cleaning up diarrhea on am
uncooperative adult I can see myself becoming uncooperative.

On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 12:46:52 -0700, "Pico Rico"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 09:27:22 -0700, "Pico Rico"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> we are always told that in time of emergency, don't count on any help for
> >> three days. And this is not the boonies, it is civilization. In a real
> >> emergency, there will be a need that will outstrip the available aid,
> >> until
> >> things get sorted out and some systems come back on line allowing the aid
> >> to
> >> go further.
> >
> > Exactly.
>
>
> sf, I always get a tear in my eye when you agree with me. Not that it
> happens all that much!
>

Awwww, ya big lug... <gently punching Pico on the arm>

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

On 2014-06-29 3:23 PM, wrote:

>
>> That was snarky, wasn't it? I think *especially* people in difficult
>> situations, with mobility issues or whatever, should have bottled water
>> on hand in case of an emergency. You can't just sit around wringing
>> your hands and thinking
>
> Really ? I think your let them eat cake attitude is all wrong and
> does not allow for the elderly.
>>
>> The *really* righteous one could always bring them a couple of cases or
>> some gallon jugs of bottled water to stash away in case of emergency.
>> But apparently while she knows these hardship cases she doesn't think
>> that makes sense.
>>
>> Jill
>
> I could and it would be in her way - she is late 90s and lives day to
> day. I can understand that but apparently your age group does not. I
> certainly never say to her, 'you should do this' 'you should do that'
> - who am I to tell her what she should do. I am not righteous but I
> do most certainly care what happens.
>


It's all well and good to say what an elderly house bound person should
have on hand for emergencies. Let's just hope that those responsible for
their care make sure that they have it and that stores of those things
are replenished.

On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 16:44:41 -0300, wrote:

> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 11:51:27 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 12:57:01 -0300, wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 08:33:17 -0700, sf > wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 07:48:51 -0300, wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 21:23:15 -0700, sf > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 18:38:20 -0700, The Other Guy
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 20:41:17 -0400, S Viemeister
> >> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >On 6/28/2014 3:17 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> What I can't fathom is the water company delivering bottled water to
> >> >> >> >> *thousands* of customers in a remote area due to a possible 24 hour
> >> >> >> >> outage. Why would Janet UK think they would?
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >Scottish Water have delivered bottled water (cases of it!) to my front
> >> >> >> >door when we've had major outages.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> It's what civilized places do.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Civilized places would figure out how not to have those continual
> >> >> >outages.
> >> >>
> >> >> Likely the water mains she talks about were put in place long before
> >> >> the USA was even on the map ! They delivered water here when there
> >> >> was a major outage after a hurricane, it is what civilized places do!
> >> >
> >> >Your hurricane situation was different and lasted a longer amount of
> >> >time than normal water main breaks. The idiots who stuck around to be
> >> >in a hurricane should have thought ahead to order their own water
> >> >delivered, it's not like they didn't have ample warning a storm was
> >> >coming.
> >>
> >> That really does not make sense. The hurricane last twenty four hours
> >> but the power outage that lasted a week meant no water from my well. A
> >> drilled well, 300ft deep, no way water comes out of that without a
> >> pump!
> >>
> >> I stayed in my house and am curious as to why you think that is
> >> idiotic - I was perfectly safe.
> >
> >That's the attitude all the people you're saying were so badly off
> >after the hurricane hit had beforehand. Don't complain afterward if
> >you don't heed the warnings and get out of the way of danger when
> >you're told to do it.
>
> Clearly you are mistaking me for someone else. No reason for me to
> leave my house last hurricane but one. I lost four trees, also lost
> the power (not my fault) but nothing was flying around it was all
> lashed down etc.
>
> I didn't complain afterwards -

Everything is up top. You figure out what you said - I say you are
the one who brought up a hurricane.

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

> wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 11:51:27 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 12:57:01 -0300, wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 08:33:17 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 07:48:51 -0300, wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 21:23:15 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 18:38:20 -0700, The Other Guy
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 20:41:17 -0400, S Viemeister
>>> >> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >On 6/28/2014 3:17 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> What I can't fathom is the water company delivering bottled
>>> >> >> >> water to
>>> >> >> >> *thousands* of customers in a remote area due to a possible 24
>>> >> >> >> hour
>>> >> >> >> outage. Why would Janet UK think they would?
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >Scottish Water have delivered bottled water (cases of it!) to my
>>> >> >> >front
>>> >> >> >door when we've had major outages.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> It's what civilized places do.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Civilized places would figure out how not to have those continual
>>> >> >outages.
>>> >>
>>> >> Likely the water mains she talks about were put in place long before
>>> >> the USA was even on the map ! They delivered water here when there
>>> >> was a major outage after a hurricane, it is what civilized places do!
>>> >
>>> >Your hurricane situation was different and lasted a longer amount of
>>> >time than normal water main breaks. The idiots who stuck around to be
>>> >in a hurricane should have thought ahead to order their own water
>>> >delivered, it's not like they didn't have ample warning a storm was
>>> >coming.
>>>
>>> That really does not make sense. The hurricane last twenty four hours
>>> but the power outage that lasted a week meant no water from my well. A
>>> drilled well, 300ft deep, no way water comes out of that without a
>>> pump!
>>>
>>> I stayed in my house and am curious as to why you think that is
>>> idiotic - I was perfectly safe.
>>
>>That's the attitude all the people you're saying were so badly off
>>after the hurricane hit had beforehand. Don't complain afterward if
>>you don't heed the warnings and get out of the way of danger when
>>you're told to do it.
>
> Clearly you are mistaking me for someone else. No reason for me to
> leave my house last hurricane but one. I lost four trees, also lost
> the power (not my fault) but nothing was flying around it was all
> lashed down etc.
>
> I didn't complain afterwards -

the last three hurricanes I came through unscathed. I watched them on TV
sitting at home, a couple thousand miles away. I consider myself lucky.

On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 19:02:52 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
>says...
>>
>> On 6/29/2014 11:52 AM, wrote:
>> > On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 09:47:40 -0400, Nancy Young
>>
>> >> I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't have the wherewithall
>> >> to be able to take care of themselves for ONE DAY if there's
>> >> a water situation. Imagine a real emergency.
>>
>> > In that 'anyone' add the old lady I just went and dug out of her
>> > apartment and took to a Walk In Clinic. She is barely able to do
>> > that, I doubt she would cope with a water outage. She is lucky
>> > though that people like me who know she is there would see her
>> > alright, but her daughter in Barbados and son in Ottawa, they can't
>> > get here in time.
>>
>> I do feel sorry for her, just as I said. Even sorrier that
>> she doesn't have some water on hand for emergency situations,
>> and her kids don't make sure she's set up for it.
>
> How big a water storage jug do you think an old lady can lift or pour
>safely? Assuming she can even undo the screwtop...
>>
>> > I can also think of someone who lives near here, 40 year old son with
>> > a diagnosed age of 2, has to be more or less lifted into his
>> > wheelchair, she's not going to cope too easily as she's getting up
>> > there herself.
>>
>> And she doesn't keep water on hand, either. She should probably
>> try to keep some food and water on hand with her situation.
>
> It's not just about drinking water. A helpless and incontinent adult
>takes a lot of cleaning up.
>
> Janet UK

People can be well able to care for themselves but the time always
comes when people need help and typically something one can't plan
for. It's impossible to be prepared for every contingency. Offering
help is something human beings do. A lot of people, especially the
elderly, won't ask for assistance... many of my neighbors are elderly
and live alone, when I notice a neighbor's trash cans are out at the
road a day longer than usual or anything out of their usual routine I
check on them.

On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 08:33:17 -0700, sf > wrote:

>Your hurricane situation was different and lasted a longer amount of
>time than normal water main breaks. The idiots who stuck around to be
>in a hurricane

Where do the entire populations of affected regions go?
I'm just curious, because I've never heard of mass evacuations for
hurricanes (aside from places that would be suicidal to stay at).

On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 07:24:49 -0700, "Pico Rico"
> wrote:

>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 00:13:40 -0700, Oregonian Haruspex
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>We have more of a frontier spirit in the USA.
>>
>> Thats hilarious.
>
>no kidding. 47% of the population taking more from the gummint than they
>pay in is hardly a frontier spirit.

Well, perhaps. I don't know much about that specifically.
I was really wondering if Oregonian Haruspex and his friends are all
over 200 years old or something

On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 08:35:25 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 07:24:49 -0700, "Pico Rico"
> wrote:
>
>> 47% of the population taking more from the gummint than they
>> pay in is hardly a frontier spirit.
>
>You tell 'em, Willard (Mitt)!

Mitt wouldn't mention the corporations taking even *more* money from
Govco though

On 6/29/2014 3:36 PM, wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 13:50:01 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 6/29/2014 1:26 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>> From what I read she takes care of them!
>>
>> Yet she doesn't think it's a good idea to keep extra bottled water and
>> other emergency supplies on hand? Why wait and see if someone else (the
>> water company, whatever) brings it? There is nothing wrong with being
>> proactive.
>>
>> Jill
>
> She's too ****ing old to want to be 'proactive' - you just don't get
> it do you??? I would have thought since you are a young woman living
> in a retirement place for gods sake, you might have more empathy for
> her situation - no wait a minute - at your age I was working hard not
> living with retirees. You need to get out perhaps.
>
Good lord, get over it. My parents were in their 80's and they managed
to keep some bottled water around. It wasn't huge jugs they weren't
able to lift.

You need to stop generalizing.

Jill

On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 03:20:19 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>"Oregonian Haruspex" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> People in the UK are much more used to the system taking care of their
>> needs. We have more of a frontier spirit in the USA.
>
>Apparently so!

Yeah... Julie Bove: 'frontier woman'.
Can't even deal with a mail box or cat-abducting racoons.

On 6/29/2014 3:02 PM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>
>> I think *especially* people in difficult
>> situations, with mobility issues or whatever, should have bottled water
>> on hand in case of an emergency. You can't just sit around wringing
>> your hands and thinking
>>
>> The *really* righteous one could always bring them a couple of cases or
>> some gallon jugs of bottled water to stash away in case of emergency.
>> But apparently while she knows these hardship cases she doesn't think
>> that makes sense.
>
> I can think of plenty of elderly/frail people living alone who A)
> can't unscrew the tops of bottles and B) could not possibly lift or move
> a gallon jug .
>
> Janet UK
>
>
And no, of course no one sells 8 oz bottles of water or even 4 oz
bottles of water. And there are no gadgets to help unscrew a tight
bottle top.

Jill

On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 03:21:19 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Janet" > wrote in message
et...
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>>
>>> On 6/28/2014 3:02 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> > On 2014-06-28 2:01 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> >> On 6/28/2014 12:54 PM, Janet wrote:
>>> >>> In article >,
>>> >>> says...
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> A water main in the area broke. It's going to take until at least
>>> >>>> until
>>> >>>> Noon Saturday 6/28 to get it repaired.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Jill
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Surely your water supply co will deliver bottled water, or a
>>> >>> shared
>>> >>> bowser?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Janet UK
>>> >>>
>>> >> Nope. Moot point since they fixed it yesterday. I guess they erred
>>> >> on
>>> >> the side of caution when making the predictions about when it would be
>>> >> repaired.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > I hope you didn't have to throw out everything in your freezer like
>>> > Julie did when her power went out for a few hours ;-)
>>> >
>>> Hush! I didn't even have to open one of the gallon jugs of water to
>>> flush the toilet or to give the cat fresh water.
>>>
>>> What I can't fathom is the water company delivering bottled water to
>>> *thousands* of customers in a remote area due to a possible 24 hour
>>> outage. Why would Janet UK think they would?
>>
>> Because it's what they do here.
>
>This is starting to be like the mail box thing!

No. It's nothing like that.

On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 08:45:32 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

>On 6/29/2014 1:23 AM, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 21:20:12 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
>>> I live in a city and water mains do go out, but I've never heard of
>>> anyone being provided with complimentary water.
>>
>> Okidokes. Maybe they would if the outage went on for days on end
>> (unlikely).
>
>I think it's your civic duty to keep emergency supplies on hand for
>a couple of days at least.

No argument from me. I supply my own power and water anyway.
And I have multiple backups for both.

>Having the water supply shut down for
>one day, inconvenient, yes, but they shouldn't have to supply
>drinking water to able bodied adults.

Agreed. But I don't what it would take for that to become a reality.

>They've only done it here when some serious event causes water
>to go out for days. Which happened once that I recall, where
>the water company planned to replace some structure after a
>hurricane but didn't think it was critical. When it collapse,
>right at the reservoir, that became critical for hundreds of
>thousands of people.
>
>Of course free drinking water was made available then.

Yep.

On 6/29/2014 3:59 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-06-29 3:23 PM, wrote:
>
>>
>>> That was snarky, wasn't it? I think *especially* people in difficult
>>> situations, with mobility issues or whatever, should have bottled water
>>> on hand in case of an emergency. You can't just sit around wringing
>>> your hands and thinking
>>
>> Really ? I think your let them eat cake attitude is all wrong and
>> does not allow for the elderly.
>>>
>>> The *really* righteous one could always bring them a couple of cases or
>>> some gallon jugs of bottled water to stash away in case of emergency.
>>> But apparently while she knows these hardship cases she doesn't think
>>> that makes sense.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> I could and it would be in her way - she is late 90s and lives day to
>> day. I can understand that but apparently your age group does not. I
>> certainly never say to her, 'you should do this' 'you should do that'
>> - who am I to tell her what she should do. I am not righteous but I
>> do most certainly care what happens.
>>
>
>
> It's all well and good to say what an elderly house bound person should
> have on hand for emergencies. Let's just hope that those responsible for
> their care make sure that they have it and that stores of those things
> are replenished.

Apparently lucretia cares for these people but having emergency supplies
in their home is somehow a problem. So, just sit back and hope some
agency brings in water if they should need it rather than offer them a
case of small bottles. Not all bottled comes in huge containers.

Jill

On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 10:49:20 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>
>
>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 20:47:33 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 6/28/2014 6:47 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 18:06:00 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/28/2014 5:03 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 15:17:12 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What I can't fathom is the water company delivering bottled water to
>>>>>>> *thousands* of customers in a remote area due to a possible 24 hour
>>>>>>> outage. Why would Janet UK think they would?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They do that in Aus sometimes if it's a significant outage.
>>>>>> Is your water company privately owned? And you don't live in a remote
>>>>>> area from I've seen and read thus far
>>>>>>
>>>>> It's owned and controlled jointly by two neighboring counties. Yes, I
>>>>> live in a fairly remote area. Not nearly as remote as you.
>>>>
>>>> I wasn't comparing between us, I'll have to look this dataw business
>>>> up and have a look-see Remote to me would have to be at least 20
>>>> minutes drive from anywhere else. I guess at some point, if the outage
>>>> was big enough then they would have to begin delivering water in other
>>>> ways?
>>>>
>>>Look at Saint Helena Island because that's where the water main broke.
>>>It wasn't just "my" neighborhood. If the outage had lasted longer I'm
>>>sure they'd have figured out something. 24 hours (and it didn't last
>>>that long) is nothing to get alarmed about. It's not like a water main
>>>breaks all the time.
>>
>> That's true. Besides, there's always alcohol and coffee.
>> If there was an outage of those, then I'd get emotional...
>
>Yers I can see that ;-) Specially the beer ))

Well, in merry old London, once upon a time one had to drink beer to
survive. Who am I to break a tradition?

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 10:49:20 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 20:47:33 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 6/28/2014 6:47 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 18:06:00 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/28/2014 5:03 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 15:17:12 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What I can't fathom is the water company delivering bottled water
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> *thousands* of customers in a remote area due to a possible 24 hour
>>>>>>>> outage. Why would Janet UK think they would?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They do that in Aus sometimes if it's a significant outage.
>>>>>>> Is your water company privately owned? And you don't live in a
>>>>>>> remote
>>>>>>> area from I've seen and read thus far
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's owned and controlled jointly by two neighboring counties. Yes,
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> live in a fairly remote area. Not nearly as remote as you.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wasn't comparing between us, I'll have to look this dataw business
>>>>> up and have a look-see Remote to me would have to be at least 20
>>>>> minutes drive from anywhere else. I guess at some point, if the outage
>>>>> was big enough then they would have to begin delivering water in other
>>>>> ways?
>>>>>
>>>>Look at Saint Helena Island because that's where the water main broke.
>>>>It wasn't just "my" neighborhood. If the outage had lasted longer I'm
>>>>sure they'd have figured out something. 24 hours (and it didn't last
>>>>that long) is nothing to get alarmed about. It's not like a water main
>>>>breaks all the time.
>>>
>>> That's true. Besides, there's always alcohol and coffee.
>>> If there was an outage of those, then I'd get emotional...
>>
>>Yers I can see that ;-) Specially the beer ))
>
> Well, in merry old London, once upon a time one had to drink beer to
> survive. Who am I to break a tradition?

Very true <g> It is good to see you keeping up with all those
traditions))

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On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 11:40:03 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>
>
>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 09:56:27 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>>
>>>In article >,
>>>says...
>>>>
>>>> On 6/28/2014 12:54 PM, Janet wrote:
>>>> > Surely your water supply co will deliver bottled water, or a shared
>>>> > bowser?
>>>> >
>>>> > Janet UK
>>>>
>>>> That's a term that skated right over my head. What on earth is a shared
>>>> bowser?
>>>
>>> It's a mobile tank on wheels (with a tap) which the water company
>>>fills then tows to where it's needed and replenishes as required.
>>>
>>> http://www.argyll1st.co.uk/water-bowsers.html
>>
>> A bowser can contain petrol too, that's what you pump out of at
>> service stations. Me, I'd much rather a beer bowser.
>
>LOL be careful you are starting to sound like an alkie <g>

Hic...

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 11:40:03 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 09:56:27 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article >,
>>>>says...
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/28/2014 12:54 PM, Janet wrote:
>>>>> > Surely your water supply co will deliver bottled water, or a shared
>>>>> > bowser?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Janet UK
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a term that skated right over my head. What on earth is a
>>>>> shared
>>>>> bowser?
>>>>
>>>> It's a mobile tank on wheels (with a tap) which the water company
>>>>fills then tows to where it's needed and replenishes as required.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.argyll1st.co.uk/water-bowsers.html
>>>
>>> A bowser can contain petrol too, that's what you pump out of at
>>> service stations. Me, I'd much rather a beer bowser.
>>
>>LOL be careful you are starting to sound like an alkie <g>
>
> Hic...

lol Shameless hussy ;p


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On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 22:00:20 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>
>
>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 11:40:03 +0100, "Ophelia"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 09:56:27 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In article >,
>>>>>says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/28/2014 12:54 PM, Janet wrote:
>>>>>> > Surely your water supply co will deliver bottled water, or a shared
>>>>>> > bowser?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Janet UK
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's a term that skated right over my head. What on earth is a
>>>>>> shared
>>>>>> bowser?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a mobile tank on wheels (with a tap) which the water company
>>>>>fills then tows to where it's needed and replenishes as required.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.argyll1st.co.uk/water-bowsers.html
>>>>
>>>> A bowser can contain petrol too, that's what you pump out of at
>>>> service stations. Me, I'd much rather a beer bowser.
>>>
>>>LOL be careful you are starting to sound like an alkie <g>
>>
>> Hic...
>
>lol Shameless hussy ;p

So says the G&T monster