On 6/29/14, 5:55 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-06-29 4:37 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>
>>> About 1957 or so, Chrysler had the push button transmission with the
>>> buttons on the left of the dash.
>>
>> A few different Chrysler models around the world had that. I suppose
>> ergonomically it wasn't as good an idea compared to a floor shifter,
>> and now paddles, of course.
>
> There was nothing ergonomic about it. It was push button. It seemed
> like a good idea at the time.

It was. My first car was a 1957 Plymouth Belvedere convertible, 318 cid,
with the push-button TorqueFlite. Five buttons in a cluster in a pod to
the upper left of the steering wheel:

R N D
1 2

I now have my second automatic transmission car ever, the Mini. And the
paddles aren't so great when you're accelerating through first into
second and then third, while steering curves -- the paddles seldom fall
to hand. In the lower gears, I find myself relying on the floor lever
for the shift into second.

And that's not too great if you've changed into manual shift mode on the
fly, because then the floor shift lever is not active.

-- Larry

On 6/29/2014 3:38 PM, Jeßus wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 11:23:12 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 6/28/2014 10:11 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2014-06-28 20:11, wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, June 28, 2014 4:26:09 PM UTC-7, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I used to drive trucks. In fact, my main trucks for a number of years
>>>>> were dual stick 5x4 transmissions. When bobtailing I could start in 3rd
>>>>> gear high range.
>>>>
>>>> Were they cabovers? Those really bob without a trailer, as I recall.
>>>
>>> Some of the electrical crew trucks were cabovers. The tractor trucks I
>>> drover were conventional cabs. They are pretty rough riding when bob
>>> tailing.
>>
>> LOL I wonder how many other people here know what bob tailing means.
>> I do, because we had to add a special sub-category to the liability
>> software for one of the clients.
>
> AKA jack-knifing?
>
Much more likely to jack knife with a trailer on than bob-tail

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On 6/29/2014 3:40 PM, Jeßus wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 14:13:11 -0500, Janet Wilder >
> wrote:
>
>> On 6/29/2014 11:33 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 6/29/2014 12:33 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>>>> On 6/29/2014 10:23 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>> On 6/28/2014 10:11 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>> On 2014-06-28 20:11, wrote:
>>>>>>> On Saturday, June 28, 2014 4:26:09 PM UTC-7, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I used to drive trucks. In fact, my main trucks for a number of years
>>>>>>>> were dual stick 5x4 transmissions. When bobtailing I could start in
>>>>>>>> 3rd
>>>>>>>> gear high range.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Were they cabovers? Those really bob without a trailer, as I recall.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some of the electrical crew trucks were cabovers. The tractor trucks I
>>>>>> drover were conventional cabs. They are pretty rough riding when bob
>>>>>> tailing.
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL I wonder how many other people here know what bob tailing means.
>>>>> I do, because we had to add a special sub-category to the liability
>>>>> software for one of the clients.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jill
>>>>
>>>> I do because I drove truck. Still have my class A CDL with endorsements
>>>> for doubles, triples and tankers. :-)
>>>>
>>> I knew you'd know, Janet. For some reason it's hard for me to
>>> picture you as a trucker.
>>
>> It was a brief career.
>
> Any pics of you in a truck Janet? I'd never have guessed you drove
> trucks
>

I don't have any. I did look rather cute in my work boots and jeans.
Back then I was still at my full height of 5'2" and weighed in at a
hefty 110 pounds. My trainer had to strap down the seat so I could push
the clutch all the way in while backing up. It was an air seat and I
was too light to keep the seat down and my left leg engaged at the same
time.

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On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 18:57:05 -0500, Janet Wilder >
wrote:

>On 6/29/2014 3:40 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 14:13:11 -0500, Janet Wilder >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/29/2014 11:33 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>> On 6/29/2014 12:33 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>>>>> I do because I drove truck. Still have my class A CDL with endorsements
>>>>> for doubles, triples and tankers. :-)
>>>>>
>>>> I knew you'd know, Janet. For some reason it's hard for me to
>>>> picture you as a trucker.
>>>
>>> It was a brief career.
>>
>> Any pics of you in a truck Janet? I'd never have guessed you drove
>> trucks
>>
>
>I don't have any. I did look rather cute in my work boots and jeans.
>Back then I was still at my full height of 5'2" and weighed in at a
>hefty 110 pounds. My trainer had to strap down the seat so I could push
>the clutch all the way in while backing up. It was an air seat and I
>was too light to keep the seat down and my left leg engaged at the same
>time.

Ha, I would've liked to have seen that

On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 18:55:02 -0500, Janet Wilder >
wrote:

>On 6/29/2014 3:38 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 11:23:12 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/28/2014 10:11 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2014-06-28 20:11, wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, June 28, 2014 4:26:09 PM UTC-7, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I used to drive trucks. In fact, my main trucks for a number of years
>>>>>> were dual stick 5x4 transmissions. When bobtailing I could start in 3rd
>>>>>> gear high range.
>>>>>
>>>>> Were they cabovers? Those really bob without a trailer, as I recall.
>>>>
>>>> Some of the electrical crew trucks were cabovers. The tractor trucks I
>>>> drover were conventional cabs. They are pretty rough riding when bob
>>>> tailing.
>>>
>>> LOL I wonder how many other people here know what bob tailing means.
>>> I do, because we had to add a special sub-category to the liability
>>> software for one of the clients.
>>
>> AKA jack-knifing?
>>
>Much more likely to jack knife with a trailer on than bob-tail

K. Not familar with bob-tails.

On 2014-06-29 19:55, Janet Wilder wrote:

>>> LOL I wonder how many other people here know what bob tailing means.
>>> I do, because we had to add a special sub-category to the liability
>>> software for one of the clients.
>>
>> AKA jack-knifing?
>>
> Much more likely to jack knife with a trailer on than bob-tail
>

It is kind of funny that he would claim to have a special driving
license and then talks about jack knifing while bob tailing, since it is
impossible to jackknife without a trailer.

On 6/29/2014 4:38 PM, Jeßus wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 11:23:12 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 6/28/2014 10:11 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2014-06-28 20:11, wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, June 28, 2014 4:26:09 PM UTC-7, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I used to drive trucks. In fact, my main trucks for a number of years
>>>>> were dual stick 5x4 transmissions. When bobtailing I could start in 3rd
>>>>> gear high range.
>>>>
>>>> Were they cabovers? Those really bob without a trailer, as I recall.
>>>
>>> Some of the electrical crew trucks were cabovers. The tractor trucks I
>>> drover were conventional cabs. They are pretty rough riding when bob
>>> tailing.
>>
>> LOL I wonder how many other people here know what bob tailing means.
>> I do, because we had to add a special sub-category to the liability
>> software for one of the clients.
>
> AKA jack-knifing?
>
Nope. Bob tailing is driving a big-rig cab without a trailer attached.

Jill

On 6/29/2014 8:51 PM, Jeßus wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 18:55:02 -0500, Janet Wilder >
> wrote:
>
>> On 6/29/2014 3:38 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 11:23:12 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/28/2014 10:11 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>> On 2014-06-28 20:11, wrote:
>>>>>> On Saturday, June 28, 2014 4:26:09 PM UTC-7, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I used to drive trucks. In fact, my main trucks for a number of years
>>>>>>> were dual stick 5x4 transmissions. When bobtailing I could start in 3rd
>>>>>>> gear high range.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Were they cabovers? Those really bob without a trailer, as I recall.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some of the electrical crew trucks were cabovers. The tractor trucks I
>>>>> drover were conventional cabs. They are pretty rough riding when bob
>>>>> tailing.
>>>>
>>>> LOL I wonder how many other people here know what bob tailing means.
>>>> I do, because we had to add a special sub-category to the liability
>>>> software for one of the clients.
>>>
>>> AKA jack-knifing?
>>>
>> Much more likely to jack knife with a trailer on than bob-tail
>
> K. Not familar with bob-tails.
>
Bob-tailing is driving the rig without a trailer attached.

Jill

On 6/29/2014 8:51 PM, Jeßus wrote:

>>>
>> Much more likely to jack knife with a trailer on than bob-tail
>
> K. Not familar with bob-tails.
>
Driving with no trailer.

On Sunday, June 29, 2014 7:39:08 PM UTC-7, jmcquown wrote:
> On 6/29/2014 8:51 PM, Je�us wrote:
>
>
> > K. Not familar with bob-tails.
>
> Bob-tailing is driving the rig without a trailer attached.
>

At the risk of being boring:

While driving without a trailer, the tractor
rocks front and back. (Pitch, if it was an airplane.) In my experience,
cabovers bobtail more than standard cabs, because the mass of the cab
is spread over a shorter distance.

A trailer holds down the back of the tractor, thus limiting the amount of
bobbing.

On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 22:39:08 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 6/29/2014 8:51 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 18:55:02 -0500, Janet Wilder >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/29/2014 3:38 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 11:23:12 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/28/2014 10:11 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>> On 2014-06-28 20:11, wrote:
>>>>>>> On Saturday, June 28, 2014 4:26:09 PM UTC-7, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I used to drive trucks. In fact, my main trucks for a number of years
>>>>>>>> were dual stick 5x4 transmissions. When bobtailing I could start in 3rd
>>>>>>>> gear high range.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Were they cabovers? Those really bob without a trailer, as I recall.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some of the electrical crew trucks were cabovers. The tractor trucks I
>>>>>> drover were conventional cabs. They are pretty rough riding when bob
>>>>>> tailing.
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL I wonder how many other people here know what bob tailing means.
>>>>> I do, because we had to add a special sub-category to the liability
>>>>> software for one of the clients.
>>>>
>>>> AKA jack-knifing?
>>>>
>>> Much more likely to jack knife with a trailer on than bob-tail
>>
>> K. Not familar with bob-tails.
>>
>Bob-tailing is driving the rig without a trailer attached.

Thanks Jill.

On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 22:48:41 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 6/29/2014 8:51 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>
>>>>
>>> Much more likely to jack knife with a trailer on than bob-tail
>>
>> K. Not familar with bob-tails.
>>
>Driving with no trailer.

Thanks.

On 6/29/2014 7:51 PM, Jeßus wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 18:55:02 -0500, Janet Wilder >
> wrote:
>
>> On 6/29/2014 3:38 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 11:23:12 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/28/2014 10:11 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>> On 2014-06-28 20:11, wrote:
>>>>>> On Saturday, June 28, 2014 4:26:09 PM UTC-7, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I used to drive trucks. In fact, my main trucks for a number of years
>>>>>>> were dual stick 5x4 transmissions. When bobtailing I could start in 3rd
>>>>>>> gear high range.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Were they cabovers? Those really bob without a trailer, as I recall.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some of the electrical crew trucks were cabovers. The tractor trucks I
>>>>> drover were conventional cabs. They are pretty rough riding when bob
>>>>> tailing.
>>>>
>>>> LOL I wonder how many other people here know what bob tailing means.
>>>> I do, because we had to add a special sub-category to the liability
>>>> software for one of the clients.
>>>
>>> AKA jack-knifing?
>>>
>> Much more likely to jack knife with a trailer on than bob-tail
>
> K. Not familar with bob-tails.
>
"bob tail" refers to driving just the tractor with no trailer behind it.
You can't jack knife a bob tail tractor.

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On 6/29/2014 9:59 PM, wrote:
> On Sunday, June 29, 2014 7:39:08 PM UTC-7, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 6/29/2014 8:51 PM, Je�us wrote:
>>
>>
>>> K. Not familar with bob-tails.
>>
>> Bob-tailing is driving the rig without a trailer attached.
>>
>
> At the risk of being boring:
>
> While driving without a trailer, the tractor
> rocks front and back. (Pitch, if it was an airplane.) In my experience,
> cabovers bobtail more than standard cabs, because the mass of the cab
> is spread over a shorter distance.
>
> A trailer holds down the back of the tractor, thus limiting the amount of
> bobbing.
>

AFAIK, bobtailing, as a verb, means driving the tractor (cab) without a
trailer. It has absolutely nothing to do with the motion of the tractor.

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On 2014-06-30 9:32 AM, Janet Wilder wrote:

>>> Much more likely to jack knife with a trailer on than bob-tail
>>
>> K. Not familar with bob-tails.
>>
> "bob tail" refers to driving just the tractor with no trailer behind it.
> You can't jack knife a bob tail tractor.
>


This is hilarious. A few days ago he referred to his CAMS license to
qualify himself as some sort of expert in the automotive business, but
he doesn't know basic trucking terms like bobtail and jackknife.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/29/2014 10:01 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 6/29/2014 2:44 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 6/29/2014 12:16 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> On 6/28/2014 11:24 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>> On 6/28/2014 4:52 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> LOL I know what you mean about using a clutch that isn't
>>>>>>>>>> there))
>>>>>>>>>> I get
>>>>>>>>>> a bit of that when I move from my stick shift to my auto, but
>>>>>>>>>> I've
>>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>> driving auto for so many years I soon fall in to it
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have done that - of course, I'm addle-brained. I've had cars
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> automatics that had dead pedals where the clutch would be. They
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> damned cute. As it goes, the question of auto or stick really
>>>>>>>>> depends
>>>>>>>>> on the car. I've had cars that worked wonderfully with autos and
>>>>>>>>> others that were shit-pits with standard.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have never seen a car with a dead pedal))
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mostly, it's a rest for your left foot in standards but I've had a
>>>>>>> couple of Toyotas with automatics that had this. Some local people
>>>>>>> will rest their left foot on the dash board. You probably think I'm
>>>>>>> joking but it's no joke. My high school buddy used to have an old
>>>>>>> Dodge with a Torqueflite transmission that he'd shift with his toes.
>>>>>>> Toe shifting is probably the most advanced driving technique yet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Toe shifting eh? I don't think I am THAT advanced)))
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I just noticed that my automatic VW Passat has a dead pedal. That was
>>>>> a surprise. My guess is that lots of people have these but never were
>>>>> aware of them. That's pretty goofy.
>>>>
>>>> Does it move?
>>>>
>>>
>>> The pedal is a raised platform that does not move and typically has a
>>> vinyl non-slip surface. Sometimes they are bright shiny things meant for
>>> looks. The theory is that you rest your left foot on it to stabilize
>>> your
>>> body. I've never used it myself. I do jam my left knee against the door
>>> when doing right turns. I have to use my ass for left turns so I usually
>>> only turn right. In your county the opposite would be the case. In fact,
>>> dead pedals might be rare in the UK because of the right hand steering.
>>> That's just me guessing again.
>>
>> You mean we don't have to use or ass for right turns? ;p
>>
>
> This is a good question. A Google image search for dead pedal yields
> mostly pictures of cars with left hand steering. Either the UK
> manufactures think it's superfluous or it doesn't work with rt. hand
> steering. I am, of course, assuming that you guys don't have spikes coming
> out of your butts. :-)

LOL Hey btw, I finally figured out what you were taking about when you
referred to that extra 'pedal'! I was driving my auto today and realised
that what you call a pedal ... I call a foot rest!!! Mystery solved))

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On Mon, 30 Jun 2014 08:32:44 -0500, Janet Wilder >
wrote:

>On 6/29/2014 7:51 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 18:55:02 -0500, Janet Wilder >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/29/2014 3:38 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 11:23:12 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/28/2014 10:11 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>> On 2014-06-28 20:11, wrote:
>>>>>>> On Saturday, June 28, 2014 4:26:09 PM UTC-7, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I used to drive trucks. In fact, my main trucks for a number of years
>>>>>>>> were dual stick 5x4 transmissions. When bobtailing I could start in 3rd
>>>>>>>> gear high range.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Were they cabovers? Those really bob without a trailer, as I recall.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some of the electrical crew trucks were cabovers. The tractor trucks I
>>>>>> drover were conventional cabs. They are pretty rough riding when bob
>>>>>> tailing.
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL I wonder how many other people here know what bob tailing means.
>>>>> I do, because we had to add a special sub-category to the liability
>>>>> software for one of the clients.
>>>>
>>>> AKA jack-knifing?
>>>>
>>> Much more likely to jack knife with a trailer on than bob-tail
>>
>> K. Not familar with bob-tails.
>>
>"bob tail" refers to driving just the tractor with no trailer behind it.

Thanks Janet.

> You can't jack knife a bob tail tractor.

Yeah, a bit difficult without a trailer then

On Monday, June 30, 2014 9:55:52 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > On 6/29/2014 10:01 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>
> >> ...
>
> >>> On 6/29/2014 2:44 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>
> >>>> ...
>
> >>>>> On 6/29/2014 12:16 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>
> >>>>>> ...
>
> >>>>>>> On 6/28/2014 11:24 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>
> >>>>>>>> ...
>
> >>>>>>>>> On 6/28/2014 4:52 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> LOL I know what you mean about using a clutch that isn't
>
> >>>>>>>>>> there))
>
> >>>>>>>>>> I get
>
> >>>>>>>>>> a bit of that when I move from my stick shift to my auto, but
>
> >>>>>>>>>> I've
>
> >>>>>>>>>> been
>
> >>>>>>>>>> driving auto for so many years I soon fall in to it
>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>>>> I have done that - of course, I'm addle-brained. I've had cars
>
> >>>>>>>>> with
>
> >>>>>>>>> automatics that had dead pedals where the clutch would be. They
>
> >>>>>>>>> are
>
> >>>>>>>>> damned cute. As it goes, the question of auto or stick really
>
> >>>>>>>>> depends
>
> >>>>>>>>> on the car. I've had cars that worked wonderfully with autos and
>
> >>>>>>>>> others that were shit-pits with standard.
>
> >>>>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>>> I have never seen a car with a dead pedal))
>
> >>>>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>> Mostly, it's a rest for your left foot in standards but I've had a
>
> >>>>>>> couple of Toyotas with automatics that had this. Some local people
>
> >>>>>>> will rest their left foot on the dash board. You probably think I'm
>
> >>>>>>> joking but it's no joke. My high school buddy used to have an old
>
> >>>>>>> Dodge with a Torqueflite transmission that he'd shift with his toes.
>
> >>>>>>> Toe shifting is probably the most advanced driving technique yet.
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>> Toe shifting eh? I don't think I am THAT advanced)))
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> I just noticed that my automatic VW Passat has a dead pedal. That was
>
> >>>>> a surprise. My guess is that lots of people have these but never were
>
> >>>>> aware of them. That's pretty goofy.
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> Does it move?
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> The pedal is a raised platform that does not move and typically has a
>
> >>> vinyl non-slip surface. Sometimes they are bright shiny things meant for
>
> >>> looks. The theory is that you rest your left foot on it to stabilize
>
> >>> your
>
> >>> body. I've never used it myself. I do jam my left knee against the door
>
> >>> when doing right turns. I have to use my ass for left turns so I usually
>
> >>> only turn right. In your county the opposite would be the case. In fact,
>
> >>> dead pedals might be rare in the UK because of the right hand steering.
>
> >>> That's just me guessing again.
>
> >>
>
> >> You mean we don't have to use or ass for right turns? ;p
>
> >>
>
> >
>
> > This is a good question. A Google image search for dead pedal yields
>
> > mostly pictures of cars with left hand steering. Either the UK
>
> > manufactures think it's superfluous or it doesn't work with rt. hand
>
> > steering. I am, of course, assuming that you guys don't have spikes coming
>
> > out of your butts. :-)
>
>
>
> LOL Hey btw, I finally figured out what you were taking about when you
>
> referred to that extra 'pedal'! I was driving my auto today and realised
>
> that what you call a pedal ... I call a foot rest!!! Mystery solved))
>

It is in fact, a foot rest. Dead pedal sounds a lot more exotic. Exotic is good and is the reason some folks say "Maillard effect" instead of "browning." Well, that's my take on all this. :-)

>
>
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On 2014-06-30 6:08 PM, Jeßus wrote:

>>>
>> "bob tail" refers to driving just the tractor with no trailer behind it.
>
> Thanks Janet.
>
>> You can't jack knife a bob tail tractor.
>
> Yeah, a bit difficult without a trailer then
>

And of course, after having claimed the credentials of being CAMS
licensed, you would not need anyone to explain that to you.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...

>> LOL Hey btw, I finally figured out what you were taking about when you
>>
>> referred to that extra 'pedal'! I was driving my auto today and realised
>>
>> that what you call a pedal ... I call a foot rest!!! Mystery solved))
>>
>
> It is in fact, a foot rest. Dead pedal sounds a lot more exotic. Exotic is
> good and is the reason some folks say "Maillard effect" instead of
> "browning." Well, that's my take on all this. :-)

... and now't wrong with that, laddie <g>


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On 6/30/2014 10:46 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
> .. and now't wrong with that, laddie <g>
>
>
Speaking of which:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I-MINIgYpk

On Monday, June 30, 2014 6:34:16 AM UTC-7, Janet Wilder wrote:
> On 6/29/2014 9:59 PM, wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, June 29, 2014 7:39:08 PM UTC-7, jmcquown wrote:
>
> >> On 6/29/2014 8:51 PM, Je�us wrote:
>
>
> >>> K. Not familar with bob-tails.
>
> >> Bob-tailing is driving the rig without a trailer attached.
>
> > At the risk of being boring:
>

> > While driving without a trailer, the tractor
> > rocks front and back. (Pitch, if it was an airplane.) In my experience,
> > cabovers bobtail more than standard cabs, because the mass of the cab
> > is spread over a shorter distance.
>
> > A trailer holds down the back of the tractor, thus limiting the amount of
>
> > bobbing.
>
>
> AFAIK, bobtailing, as a verb, means driving the tractor (cab) without a
> trailer. It has absolutely nothing to do with the motion of the tractor.
>
>

Ah. I thought it meant that the tail bobs up and down, because it does,
accounting for the cab's rocking.

On 2014-07-01 12:36 PM, wrote:


> Ah. I thought it meant that the tail bobs up and down, because it does,
> accounting for the cab's rocking.
>



One of many misconceptions about trucking terms. Bobtailed...
shortened. Another is "semi"... refers to the to the trailer not the
truck (tractor). A trailer is a vehicle that is towed by a motor
vehicle. A semi trailer is one where a substantial amount of the weight
is supported by the tractor. Hence, the 5th wheel trailer hitch which is
mounted over the tractor's drive axles.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/30/2014 10:46 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> .. and now't wrong with that, laddie <g>
>>
>>
> Speaking of which:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I-MINIgYpk

Cool) I enjoyed that and it was very interesting, thanks)

um what I said was from Yorkshire though, not Scotland ;-) Still it was
worth it so see the story of your princess))

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On 7/1/2014 6:36 AM, wrote:
>
> Ah. I thought it meant that the tail bobs up and down, because it does,
> accounting for the cab's rocking.
>

The old usage of "bob" was to shorten in length as in bobby socks and
bobbing one's hair. Bobbed hair for women came into fashion in the 1920s
and changed hairstyles in a most radical way since then.

On 2014-07-01 3:38 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On 7/1/2014 6:36 AM, wrote:
>>
>> Ah. I thought it meant that the tail bobs up and down, because it does,
>> accounting for the cab's rocking.
>>
>
> The old usage of "bob" was to shorten in length as in bobby socks and
> bobbing one's hair. Bobbed hair for women came into fashion in the 1920s
> and changed hairstyles in a most radical way since then.


And bobbing tails on dogs.

On 7/1/2014 9:37 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 6/30/2014 10:46 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>> .. and now't wrong with that, laddie <g>
>>>
>>>
>> Speaking of which:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I-MINIgYpk
>
> Cool) I enjoyed that and it was very interesting, thanks)
>
> um what I said was from Yorkshire though, not Scotland ;-) Still it
> was worth it so see the story of your princess))
>

We get things like that mixed up. For one thing, I don't think that
Princess Kaiulani ever went to stay in Scotland, My understanding is
that she went to school and lived in England for 4 years. The Hawaiian
royals were deeply influenced by the English and, I assume, the Scots
since Archibald Scott Cleghorn was the King's brother-in-law. They even
patterned their monarchy after the Brit's and Princess Kaiulani's first
name was in honor of the Queen - Victoria.

In the end, both continents were interested in the plight of Queen
Liliuokalani and this small chain of islands at the end of the 19th
century. My father-in-law said that his mother in Montana would weep
when she read the newspaper accounts of the takeover of this land by a
band of American businessmen with guns. She probably thought it horrible
that her country would not stand up to this band of rich thugs. And the
rest, as they say, is history.

On 7/1/2014 9:53 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-07-01 3:38 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On 7/1/2014 6:36 AM, wrote:
>>>
>>> Ah. I thought it meant that the tail bobs up and down, because it does,
>>> accounting for the cab's rocking.
>>>
>>
>> The old usage of "bob" was to shorten in length as in bobby socks and
>> bobbing one's hair. Bobbed hair for women came into fashion in the 1920s
>> and changed hairstyles in a most radical way since then.
>
>
> And bobbing tails on dogs.

Ouch! Don't they cut ears too?

Don't forget John Bobbitt's bob job. Ouch!

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/1/2014 9:37 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 6/30/2014 10:46 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>> .. and now't wrong with that, laddie <g>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Speaking of which:
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I-MINIgYpk
>>
>> Cool) I enjoyed that and it was very interesting, thanks)
>>
>> um what I said was from Yorkshire though, not Scotland ;-) Still it
>> was worth it so see the story of your princess))
>>
>
> We get things like that mixed up. For one thing, I don't think that
> Princess Kaiulani ever went to stay in Scotland, My understanding is that
> she went to school and lived in England for 4 years. The Hawaiian royals
> were deeply influenced by the English and, I assume, the Scots since
> Archibald Scott Cleghorn was the King's brother-in-law. They even
> patterned their monarchy after the Brit's and Princess Kaiulani's first
> name was in honor of the Queen - Victoria.
>
> In the end, both continents were interested in the plight of Queen
> Liliuokalani and this small chain of islands at the end of the 19th
> century. My father-in-law said that his mother in Montana would weep when
> she read the newspaper accounts of the takeover of this land by a band of
> American businessmen with guns. She probably thought it horrible that her
> country would not stand up to this band of rich thugs. And the rest, as
> they say, is history.

Thanks for sharing It was completely unknown to me.

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On 7/1/2014 4:14 PM, dsi1 wrote:

> In the end, both continents were interested in the plight of Queen
> Liliuokalani and this small chain of islands at the end of the 19th
> century. My father-in-law said that his mother in Montana would weep
> when she read the newspaper accounts of the takeover of this land by a
> band of American businessmen with guns. She probably thought it horrible
> that her country would not stand up to this band of rich thugs. And the
> rest, as they say, is history.
>
As a child, I was fascinated by that period - I even did a research
paper on it in high school.

On 7/1/2014 12:51 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
> On 7/1/2014 4:14 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>> In the end, both continents were interested in the plight of Queen
>> Liliuokalani and this small chain of islands at the end of the 19th
>> century. My father-in-law said that his mother in Montana would weep
>> when she read the newspaper accounts of the takeover of this land by a
>> band of American businessmen with guns. She probably thought it horrible
>> that her country would not stand up to this band of rich thugs. And the
>> rest, as they say, is history.
>>
> As a child, I was fascinated by that period - I even did a research
> paper on it in high school.
>

The Victorian age was quite a period of transition. It's amazing how
fast Asia and these islands adopted the ways of the Westerners.