"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 22:09:49 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 09:40:02 -0400, Nancy Young
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 6/28/2014 9:32 AM, ChattyCathy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Automatics are good in heavy traffic (saves having to keep one's foot
>>>>> on
>>>>> clutch pedal) - but in any other circumstances, I prefer 'stick shift'
>>>>> vehicles; I can pull off in 1st, 2nd and have even done it in 3rd gear
>>>>> occasionally <laugh>. And I also know when to change gears - don't
>>>>> need
>>>>> a
>>>>> rev counter to do it - I still have pretty good hearing...
>>>>
>>>>I'm with you! I like to shift when I feel like it.
>>>
>>> Me too. I often start off in 2nd gear on our hilly roads around here.
>>> (depends on vehicle's gearing, engine torque, etc.). Too many people
>>> will always take off in 1st by default, when it isn't really
>>> appropriate.
>>
>>Because they are not used to the way the clutch and gears work.
>
> I think it's more a lack of thinking and sheer habit.

As you know I've gone back to a stick recently for one of my cars, but it
has become automatic to me now the way the clutch and gears work. Once you
get used to them again you don't have to think about it.

--
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On 6/28/2014 11:24 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 6/28/2014 4:52 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> LOL I know what you mean about using a clutch that isn't there)) I get
>>> a bit of that when I move from my stick shift to my auto, but I've been
>>> driving auto for so many years I soon fall in to it
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I have done that - of course, I'm addle-brained. I've had cars with
>> automatics that had dead pedals where the clutch would be. They are
>> damned cute. As it goes, the question of auto or stick really depends
>> on the car. I've had cars that worked wonderfully with autos and
>> others that were shit-pits with standard.
>
> I have never seen a car with a dead pedal))
>

Mostly, it's a rest for your left foot in standards but I've had a
couple of Toyotas with automatics that had this. Some local people will
rest their left foot on the dash board. You probably think I'm joking
but it's no joke. My high school buddy used to have an old Dodge with a
Torqueflite transmission that he'd shift with his toes. Toe shifting is
probably the most advanced driving technique yet.

On 6/28/2014 5:40 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

>
> Unless you are going downhill, it is always appropriate to start off in
> first gear in a car. You can shift sooner. Starting off is where most
> clutch wear happens.
>

Except for some slippery conditions or a truck with very low gearing.

On 6/28/2014 12:04 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 6/28/2014 5:40 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>
>> Unless you are going downhill, it is always appropriate to start off in
>> first gear in a car. You can shift sooner. Starting off is where most
>> clutch wear happens.
>>
>
> Except for some slippery conditions or a truck with very low gearing.

My Subaru had a first gear that was way too low. I could dump the clutch
almost at idle without the engine stalling. This is very good for clutch
wear - no slipping at all. I hated that car. All the gears were wrong
for me. It must have been geared for hippies. They'd probably think it
was all groovy.

On 6/28/2014 10:58 AM, Jeßus wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 09:40:02 -0400, Nancy Young
> > wrote:
>
>> On 6/28/2014 9:32 AM, ChattyCathy wrote:
>>
>>> Automatics are good in heavy traffic (saves having to keep one's foot on
>>> clutch pedal) - but in any other circumstances, I prefer 'stick shift'
>>> vehicles; I can pull off in 1st, 2nd and have even done it in 3rd gear
>>> occasionally <laugh>. And I also know when to change gears - don't need a
>>> rev counter to do it - I still have pretty good hearing...
>>
>> I'm with you! I like to shift when I feel like it.
>
> Me too. I often start off in 2nd gear on our hilly roads around here.
> (depends on vehicle's gearing, engine torque, etc.). Too many people
> will always take off in 1st by default, when it isn't really
> appropriate.
>

My friend used to have a VW with an auto-stick. This was pretty much a
standard transmission with a torque converter added on. It also had a
vacuum operated clutch that was activated by a simple switch in the
stick shift. By moving the shifter just off-center, you disengaged the
clutch. That was pretty slick. The thing had three speeds but he'd be
afraid to start off in first. He'd always start on the second and then
after a long, long, long, while, he'd shift to third. Driven this way,
this Karmann Ghia was a disgrace to underpowered cars. The car would
have been a lot more fun had he just started in first and floored the
gas. That guy drove like an old lady.

On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 12:16:54 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:

>On 6/28/2014 12:04 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 6/28/2014 5:40 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Unless you are going downhill, it is always appropriate to start off in
>>> first gear in a car. You can shift sooner. Starting off is where most
>>> clutch wear happens.
>>>
>>
>> Except for some slippery conditions or a truck with very low gearing.
>
>My Subaru had a first gear that was way too low. I could dump the clutch
>almost at idle without the engine stalling.

Subaru's 1st is like that for a good reason.

>This is very good for clutch
>wear - no slipping at all. I hated that car. All the gears were wrong
>for me.

You need to ask yourself why you bought a vehicle that was apparently
inappropriate for you, rather than blame the vehicle. The gearing in
Subarus are ideal for the vehicle and intended purpose of that
vehicle. Most Subarus are AWD, with extra ground clearance, low 1st
gear, heated mirrors, seats, etc. That's a big hint, right there.

Where do you live and where do you drive?

>It must have been geared for hippies. They'd probably think it
>was all groovy.

WTF is that supposed to mean? No offence, but when it comes to cars,
you really need to get educated.

On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 22:55:11 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>
>
>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 22:09:49 +0100, "Ophelia"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 09:40:02 -0400, Nancy Young
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 6/28/2014 9:32 AM, ChattyCathy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Automatics are good in heavy traffic (saves having to keep one's foot
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> clutch pedal) - but in any other circumstances, I prefer 'stick shift'
>>>>>> vehicles; I can pull off in 1st, 2nd and have even done it in 3rd gear
>>>>>> occasionally <laugh>. And I also know when to change gears - don't
>>>>>> need
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> rev counter to do it - I still have pretty good hearing...
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm with you! I like to shift when I feel like it.
>>>>
>>>> Me too. I often start off in 2nd gear on our hilly roads around here.
>>>> (depends on vehicle's gearing, engine torque, etc.). Too many people
>>>> will always take off in 1st by default, when it isn't really
>>>> appropriate.
>>>
>>>Because they are not used to the way the clutch and gears work.
>>
>> I think it's more a lack of thinking and sheer habit.
>
> As you know I've gone back to a stick recently for one of my cars, but it
>has become automatic to me now the way the clutch and gears work. Once you
>get used to them again you don't have to think about it.

Yeah, much like using a keyboard.

On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 12:34:56 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:

>On 6/28/2014 10:58 AM, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 09:40:02 -0400, Nancy Young
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/28/2014 9:32 AM, ChattyCathy wrote:
>>>
>>>> Automatics are good in heavy traffic (saves having to keep one's foot on
>>>> clutch pedal) - but in any other circumstances, I prefer 'stick shift'
>>>> vehicles; I can pull off in 1st, 2nd and have even done it in 3rd gear
>>>> occasionally <laugh>. And I also know when to change gears - don't need a
>>>> rev counter to do it - I still have pretty good hearing...
>>>
>>> I'm with you! I like to shift when I feel like it.
>>
>> Me too. I often start off in 2nd gear on our hilly roads around here.
>> (depends on vehicle's gearing, engine torque, etc.). Too many people
>> will always take off in 1st by default, when it isn't really
>> appropriate.
>>
>
>My friend used to have a VW with an auto-stick. This was pretty much a
>standard transmission with a torque converter added on. It also had a
>vacuum operated clutch that was activated by a simple switch in the
>stick shift. By moving the shifter just off-center, you disengaged the
>clutch. That was pretty slick. The thing had three speeds but he'd be
>afraid to start off in first. He'd always start on the second and then
>after a long, long, long, while, he'd shift to third. Driven this way,
>this Karmann Ghia was a disgrace to underpowered cars. The car would
>have been a lot more fun had he just started in first and floored the
>gas. That guy drove like an old lady.

Some people go too far the other way and run at too low revs, the cars
still drives but it puts a load on the engine that shortens its life
span.

My grandfather had a VW Kombi (camper van), he used to ride the clutch
all the time and would have to replace it annually. He was certainly
no mechanic, but even he had no problem changing the clutch... it was
SO easy. Only took him about 30 minutes to do the job.

On 2014-06-28 6:04 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

>> Unless you are going downhill, it is always appropriate to start off in
>> first gear in a car. You can shift sooner. Starting off is where most
>> clutch wear happens.
>>
>
> Except for some slippery conditions or a truck with very low gearing.

I used to drive trucks. In fact, my main trucks for a number of years
were dual stick 5x4 transmissions. When bobtailing I could start in 3rd
gear high range.

On 6/28/2014 12:41 PM, Jeßus wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 12:16:54 -1000, dsi1
> > wrote:
>
>> On 6/28/2014 12:04 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 6/28/2014 5:40 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Unless you are going downhill, it is always appropriate to start off in
>>>> first gear in a car. You can shift sooner. Starting off is where most
>>>> clutch wear happens.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Except for some slippery conditions or a truck with very low gearing.
>>
>> My Subaru had a first gear that was way too low. I could dump the clutch
>> almost at idle without the engine stalling.
>
> Subaru's 1st is like that for a good reason.
>
>> This is very good for clutch
>> wear - no slipping at all. I hated that car. All the gears were wrong
>> for me.
>
> You need to ask yourself why you bought a vehicle that was apparently
> inappropriate for you, rather than blame the vehicle. The gearing in
> Subarus are ideal for the vehicle and intended purpose of that
> vehicle. Most Subarus are AWD, with extra ground clearance, low 1st
> gear, heated mirrors, seats, etc. That's a big hint, right there.
>
> Where do you live and where do you drive?

I needed a car in a hurry because we were having another kid and a Fiat
just wasn't going to cut it. I drive it on regular roads, just like
everybody else on this island. This was the FWD model. no heated mirrors
or seat. No extra ground clearance either. The gearing was too low on
the first two gears. One out of 5 ain't bad, I guess.

My assumption is that the all wheel drive Subaru was a dog too. The
engine sucked big time. Poor gas mileage and the engine was so weak the
turning on the AC would cause a noticeable hit in the power level. I've
never had a car that did that. I'm not the only person that noticed this
effect. My guess is that you've never driven one of these cars.

>
>> It must have been geared for hippies. They'd probably think it
>> was all groovy.
>
> WTF is that supposed to mean? No offence, but when it comes to cars,
> you really need to get educated.
>

It means that I'm not going to take car advice from people that ain't
that interested in cars. Hippies fer instance. Subaru is like the Apple
computer of cars. Feel free to test me on my automotive education Dr Jeßus.

On 6/28/2014 1:07 PM, Jeßus wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 12:34:56 -1000, dsi1
> > wrote:
>
>> On 6/28/2014 10:58 AM, Jeßus wrote:
>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 09:40:02 -0400, Nancy Young
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/28/2014 9:32 AM, ChattyCathy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Automatics are good in heavy traffic (saves having to keep one's foot on
>>>>> clutch pedal) - but in any other circumstances, I prefer 'stick shift'
>>>>> vehicles; I can pull off in 1st, 2nd and have even done it in 3rd gear
>>>>> occasionally <laugh>. And I also know when to change gears - don't need a
>>>>> rev counter to do it - I still have pretty good hearing...
>>>>
>>>> I'm with you! I like to shift when I feel like it.
>>>
>>> Me too. I often start off in 2nd gear on our hilly roads around here.
>>> (depends on vehicle's gearing, engine torque, etc.). Too many people
>>> will always take off in 1st by default, when it isn't really
>>> appropriate.
>>>
>>
>> My friend used to have a VW with an auto-stick. This was pretty much a
>> standard transmission with a torque converter added on. It also had a
>> vacuum operated clutch that was activated by a simple switch in the
>> stick shift. By moving the shifter just off-center, you disengaged the
>> clutch. That was pretty slick. The thing had three speeds but he'd be
>> afraid to start off in first. He'd always start on the second and then
>> after a long, long, long, while, he'd shift to third. Driven this way,
>> this Karmann Ghia was a disgrace to underpowered cars. The car would
>> have been a lot more fun had he just started in first and floored the
>> gas. That guy drove like an old lady.
>
> Some people go too far the other way and run at too low revs, the cars
> still drives but it puts a load on the engine that shortens its life
> span.

Your advice is ill-advised for most of the cars on the road. Ultra low
gearing is not a trend in the US for cars intended for the road.

>
> My grandfather had a VW Kombi (camper van), he used to ride the clutch
> all the time and would have to replace it annually. He was certainly
> no mechanic, but even he had no problem changing the clutch... it was
> SO easy. Only took him about 30 minutes to do the job.
>

It sounds like poor driving techniques run in your family.

On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 13:27:19 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:

>On 6/28/2014 12:41 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 12:16:54 -1000, dsi1
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/28/2014 12:04 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> On 6/28/2014 5:40 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Unless you are going downhill, it is always appropriate to start off in
>>>>> first gear in a car. You can shift sooner. Starting off is where most
>>>>> clutch wear happens.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Except for some slippery conditions or a truck with very low gearing.
>>>
>>> My Subaru had a first gear that was way too low. I could dump the clutch
>>> almost at idle without the engine stalling.
>>
>> Subaru's 1st is like that for a good reason.
>>
>>> This is very good for clutch
>>> wear - no slipping at all. I hated that car. All the gears were wrong
>>> for me.
>>
>> You need to ask yourself why you bought a vehicle that was apparently
>> inappropriate for you, rather than blame the vehicle. The gearing in
>> Subarus are ideal for the vehicle and intended purpose of that
>> vehicle. Most Subarus are AWD, with extra ground clearance, low 1st
>> gear, heated mirrors, seats, etc. That's a big hint, right there.
>>
>> Where do you live and where do you drive?
>
>I needed a car in a hurry because we were having another kid and a Fiat
>just wasn't going to cut it. I drive it on regular roads, just like
>everybody else on this island.

I'm guessing Hawaii? Not sure how much snow and ice you'd encounter
there.

>This was the FWD model. no heated mirrors
>or seat. No extra ground clearance either. The gearing was too low on
>the first two gears. One out of 5 ain't bad, I guess.
>
>My assumption is that the all wheel drive Subaru was a dog too.

So you have no idea then. None. Your model sounds like it's quite old.
Ask yourself why Subarus are one of the most popular performance
vehicles, world-wide. Ask why they are popular in mountainous areas
with snow and ice. You bought a vehicle inappropriate for you. But be
sure to keep on blaming the car.

>The
>engine sucked big time. Poor gas mileage and the engine was so weak the
>turning on the AC would cause a noticeable hit in the power level. I've
>never had a car that did that. I'm not the only person that noticed this
>effect. My guess is that you've never driven one of these cars.

I've owned mid to late 1970's to 1980's model Subarus, driven 1990's
models, owned a 1995 Impreza and currently own a 2001 Subaru Forester
GT. What year and model did you own? I had none of those issues you
speak of with any of them.

>>> It must have been geared for hippies. They'd probably think it
>>> was all groovy.
>>
>> WTF is that supposed to mean? No offence, but when it comes to cars,
>> you really need to get educated.
>>
>
>It means that I'm not going to take car advice from people that ain't
>that interested in cars. Hippies fer instance. Subaru is like the Apple
>computer of cars. Feel free to test me on my automotive education Dr Jeßus.

I think I'll leave that alone, before I say something I regret.
You're even worse than somebody who merely hasn't a clue.

On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 13:31:45 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:

>On 6/28/2014 1:07 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 12:34:56 -1000, dsi1
>>>
>>> My friend used to have a VW with an auto-stick. This was pretty much a
>>> standard transmission with a torque converter added on. It also had a
>>> vacuum operated clutch that was activated by a simple switch in the
>>> stick shift. By moving the shifter just off-center, you disengaged the
>>> clutch. That was pretty slick. The thing had three speeds but he'd be
>>> afraid to start off in first. He'd always start on the second and then
>>> after a long, long, long, while, he'd shift to third. Driven this way,
>>> this Karmann Ghia was a disgrace to underpowered cars. The car would
>>> have been a lot more fun had he just started in first and floored the
>>> gas. That guy drove like an old lady.
>>
>> Some people go too far the other way and run at too low revs, the cars
>> still drives but it puts a load on the engine that shortens its life
>> span.
>
>Your advice is ill-advised for most of the cars on the road. Ultra low
>gearing is not a trend in the US for cars intended for the road.

Where did I say that? Are you on medication today or something?

>> My grandfather had a VW Kombi (camper van), he used to ride the clutch
>> all the time and would have to replace it annually. He was certainly
>> no mechanic, but even he had no problem changing the clutch... it was
>> SO easy. Only took him about 30 minutes to do the job.
>
>It sounds like poor driving techniques run in your family.

I have a national level CAMS licence. Look it up, dickhead.

On 6/28/2014 1:47 PM, Jeßus wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 13:27:19 -1000, dsi1
> > wrote:
>
>> On 6/28/2014 12:41 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 12:16:54 -1000, dsi1
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/28/2014 12:04 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>> On 6/28/2014 5:40 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unless you are going downhill, it is always appropriate to start off in
>>>>>> first gear in a car. You can shift sooner. Starting off is where most
>>>>>> clutch wear happens.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Except for some slippery conditions or a truck with very low gearing.
>>>>
>>>> My Subaru had a first gear that was way too low. I could dump the clutch
>>>> almost at idle without the engine stalling.
>>>
>>> Subaru's 1st is like that for a good reason.
>>>
>>>> This is very good for clutch
>>>> wear - no slipping at all. I hated that car. All the gears were wrong
>>>> for me.
>>>
>>> You need to ask yourself why you bought a vehicle that was apparently
>>> inappropriate for you, rather than blame the vehicle. The gearing in
>>> Subarus are ideal for the vehicle and intended purpose of that
>>> vehicle. Most Subarus are AWD, with extra ground clearance, low 1st
>>> gear, heated mirrors, seats, etc. That's a big hint, right there.
>>>
>>> Where do you live and where do you drive?
>>
>> I needed a car in a hurry because we were having another kid and a Fiat
>> just wasn't going to cut it. I drive it on regular roads, just like
>> everybody else on this island.
>
> I'm guessing Hawaii? Not sure how much snow and ice you'd encounter
> there.
>
>> This was the FWD model. no heated mirrors
>> or seat. No extra ground clearance either. The gearing was too low on
>> the first two gears. One out of 5 ain't bad, I guess.
>>
>> My assumption is that the all wheel drive Subaru was a dog too.
>
> So you have no idea then. None. Your model sounds like it's quite old.
> Ask yourself why Subarus are one of the most popular performance
> vehicles, world-wide. Ask why they are popular in mountainous areas
> with snow and ice. You bought a vehicle inappropriate for you. But be
> sure to keep on blaming the car.
>
>> The
>> engine sucked big time. Poor gas mileage and the engine was so weak the
>> turning on the AC would cause a noticeable hit in the power level. I've
>> never had a car that did that. I'm not the only person that noticed this
>> effect. My guess is that you've never driven one of these cars.
>
> I've owned mid to late 1970's to 1980's model Subarus, driven 1990's
> models, owned a 1995 Impreza and currently own a 2001 Subaru Forester
> GT. What year and model did you own? I had none of those issues you
> speak of with any of them.

You dig Subarus, go with God man. It's all groovy with me. The reality
is that there's all kinds of cars in the world besides Subaru. Don't
hassle me man for having a bad experience with one. Most people think
Fiats suck but you won't hear me getting all whiny and put off by it. I
love those 124 Coupes.

>
>>>> It must have been geared for hippies. They'd probably think it
>>>> was all groovy.
>>>
>>> WTF is that supposed to mean? No offence, but when it comes to cars,
>>> you really need to get educated.
>>>
>>
>> It means that I'm not going to take car advice from people that ain't
>> that interested in cars. Hippies fer instance. Subaru is like the Apple
>> computer of cars. Feel free to test me on my automotive education Dr Jeßus.
>
> I think I'll leave that alone, before I say something I regret.
> You're even worse than somebody who merely hasn't a clue.
>
This is good, restraint is a most admirable quality.

On 6/28/2014 1:56 PM, Jeßus wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 13:31:45 -1000, dsi1
> > wrote:
>
>> On 6/28/2014 1:07 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 12:34:56 -1000, dsi1
>>>>
>>>> My friend used to have a VW with an auto-stick. This was pretty much a
>>>> standard transmission with a torque converter added on. It also had a
>>>> vacuum operated clutch that was activated by a simple switch in the
>>>> stick shift. By moving the shifter just off-center, you disengaged the
>>>> clutch. That was pretty slick. The thing had three speeds but he'd be
>>>> afraid to start off in first. He'd always start on the second and then
>>>> after a long, long, long, while, he'd shift to third. Driven this way,
>>>> this Karmann Ghia was a disgrace to underpowered cars. The car would
>>>> have been a lot more fun had he just started in first and floored the
>>>> gas. That guy drove like an old lady.
>>>
>>> Some people go too far the other way and run at too low revs, the cars
>>> still drives but it puts a load on the engine that shortens its life
>>> span.
>>
>> Your advice is ill-advised for most of the cars on the road. Ultra low
>> gearing is not a trend in the US for cars intended for the road.
>
> Where did I say that? Are you on medication today or something?
>
>>> My grandfather had a VW Kombi (camper van), he used to ride the clutch
>>> all the time and would have to replace it annually. He was certainly
>>> no mechanic, but even he had no problem changing the clutch... it was
>>> SO easy. Only took him about 30 minutes to do the job.
>>
>> It sounds like poor driving techniques run in your family.
>
> I have a national level CAMS licence. Look it up, dickhead.
>

Hey man, have some restraint! (-:

On Saturday, June 28, 2014 4:26:09 PM UTC-7, Dave Smith wrote:

> I used to drive trucks. In fact, my main trucks for a number of years
> were dual stick 5x4 transmissions. When bobtailing I could start in 3rd
> gear high range.

Were they cabovers? Those really bob without a trailer, as I recall.

Question: I used to ride along when I was a kid, before I drove.
Seems like no one used the clutch between gears; they just matched speeds
and shifted.

hjnnnnOn Sat, 28 Jun 2014 14:07:14 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:

>On 6/28/2014 1:47 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 13:27:19 -1000, dsi1
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/28/2014 12:41 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 12:16:54 -1000, dsi1
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/28/2014 12:04 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/28/2014 5:40 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unless you are going downhill, it is always appropriate to start off in
>>>>>>> first gear in a car. You can shift sooner. Starting off is where most
>>>>>>> clutch wear happens.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Except for some slippery conditions or a truck with very low gearing.
>>>>>
>>>>> My Subaru had a first gear that was way too low. I could dump the clutch
>>>>> almost at idle without the engine stalling.
>>>>
>>>> Subaru's 1st is like that for a good reason.
>>>>
>>>>> This is very good for clutch
>>>>> wear - no slipping at all. I hated that car. All the gears were wrong
>>>>> for me.
>>>>
>>>> You need to ask yourself why you bought a vehicle that was apparently
>>>> inappropriate for you, rather than blame the vehicle. The gearing in
>>>> Subarus are ideal for the vehicle and intended purpose of that
>>>> vehicle. Most Subarus are AWD, with extra ground clearance, low 1st
>>>> gear, heated mirrors, seats, etc. That's a big hint, right there.
>>>>
>>>> Where do you live and where do you drive?
>>>
>>> I needed a car in a hurry because we were having another kid and a Fiat
>>> just wasn't going to cut it. I drive it on regular roads, just like
>>> everybody else on this island.
>>
>> I'm guessing Hawaii? Not sure how much snow and ice you'd encounter
>> there.
>>
>>> This was the FWD model. no heated mirrors
>>> or seat. No extra ground clearance either. The gearing was too low on
>>> the first two gears. One out of 5 ain't bad, I guess.
>>>
>>> My assumption is that the all wheel drive Subaru was a dog too.
>>
>> So you have no idea then. None. Your model sounds like it's quite old.
>> Ask yourself why Subarus are one of the most popular performance
>> vehicles, world-wide. Ask why they are popular in mountainous areas
>> with snow and ice. You bought a vehicle inappropriate for you. But be
>> sure to keep on blaming the car.
>>
>>> The
>>> engine sucked big time. Poor gas mileage and the engine was so weak the
>>> turning on the AC would cause a noticeable hit in the power level. I've
>>> never had a car that did that. I'm not the only person that noticed this
>>> effect. My guess is that you've never driven one of these cars.
>>
>> I've owned mid to late 1970's to 1980's model Subarus, driven 1990's
>> models, owned a 1995 Impreza and currently own a 2001 Subaru Forester
>> GT. What year and model did you own? I had none of those issues you
>> speak of with any of them.
>
>You dig Subarus, go with God man. It's all groovy with me.

That figures, makes no sense whatsoever. You cannot construct a
logical reason for your opinion, other than 'it sucked', and have no
logical response, so you come up with that. Youre a ****wit.

Clearly you have no experience with other models. The only FWD Subarus
made in the past decade or so have been tiny little 3 door hatches,
that I know of. Is that what you had? I'm trying to make sense of your
claims here.

>The reality
>is that there's all kinds of cars in the world besides Subaru.

No shit? Your the one who made an issue about them.

>Don't
>hassle me man for having a bad experience with one.

You had a bad experience because you made the wrong choice. You still
haven't even mentioned the year and model Subaru yet. How clueless
must you be to debate a particular brand of vehicle based on... well,
nobody but possibly you knows that at this stage. So whay year and
model Subaru did you have?

>Most people think
>Fiats suck but you won't hear me getting all whiny and put off by it. I
>love those 124 Coupes.

Yeah. you've mentioned them a number of times. I don't care, one way
or the other.

>>>>> It must have been geared for hippies. They'd probably think it
>>>>> was all groovy.
>>>>
>>>> WTF is that supposed to mean? No offence, but when it comes to cars,
>>>> you really need to get educated.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It means that I'm not going to take car advice from people that ain't
>>> that interested in cars. Hippies fer instance. Subaru is like the Apple
>>> computer of cars. Feel free to test me on my automotive education Dr Jeßus.
>>
>> I think I'll leave that alone, before I say something I regret.
>> You're even worse than somebody who merely hasn't a clue.
>>
>This is good, restraint is a most admirable quality.

There'd be no restraint if we were face to face. Too bad that's not
possible.

On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 14:08:19 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:

>On 6/28/2014 1:56 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 13:31:45 -1000, dsi1
>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Your advice is ill-advised for most of the cars on the road. Ultra low
>>> gearing is not a trend in the US for cars intended for the road.
>>
>> Where did I say that? Are you on medication today or something?

Yep. No comment. You're a joke.

>>>> My grandfather had a VW Kombi (camper van), he used to ride the clutch
>>>> all the time and would have to replace it annually. He was certainly
>>>> no mechanic, but even he had no problem changing the clutch... it was
>>>> SO easy. Only took him about 30 minutes to do the job.
>>>
>>> It sounds like poor driving techniques run in your family.
>>
>> I have a national level CAMS licence. Look it up, dickhead.
>>
>
>Hey man, have some restraint! (-:

You have nothing to say about my CAMS licence, and the requirements to
obtain one? No, of course not. At least I'm willing to admit I'm wrong
when I know I've been proven wrong.

On 2014-06-28 20:11, wrote:
> On Saturday, June 28, 2014 4:26:09 PM UTC-7, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> I used to drive trucks. In fact, my main trucks for a number of years
>> were dual stick 5x4 transmissions. When bobtailing I could start in 3rd
>> gear high range.
>
> Were they cabovers? Those really bob without a trailer, as I recall.

Some of the electrical crew trucks were cabovers. The tractor trucks I
drover were conventional cabs. They are pretty rough riding when bob
tailing.
>
> Question: I used to ride along when I was a kid, before I drove.
> Seems like no one used the clutch between gears; they just matched speeds
> and shifted.
>

I rarely used the clutch to shift in trucks. The dual transmissions were
much easier to shift without the clutch.

On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 09:47:26 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 13:27:19 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:
>
>>On 6/28/2014 12:41 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 12:16:54 -1000, dsi1
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/28/2014 12:04 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>> On 6/28/2014 5:40 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unless you are going downhill, it is always appropriate to start off in
>>>>>> first gear in a car. You can shift sooner. Starting off is where most
>>>>>> clutch wear happens.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Except for some slippery conditions or a truck with very low gearing.
>>>>
>>>> My Subaru had a first gear that was way too low. I could dump the clutch
>>>> almost at idle without the engine stalling.
>>>
>>> Subaru's 1st is like that for a good reason.
>>>
>>>> This is very good for clutch
>>>> wear - no slipping at all. I hated that car. All the gears were wrong
>>>> for me.
>>>
>>> You need to ask yourself why you bought a vehicle that was apparently
>>> inappropriate for you, rather than blame the vehicle. The gearing in
>>> Subarus are ideal for the vehicle and intended purpose of that
>>> vehicle. Most Subarus are AWD, with extra ground clearance, low 1st
>>> gear, heated mirrors, seats, etc. That's a big hint, right there.
>>>
>>> Where do you live and where do you drive?
>>
>>I needed a car in a hurry because we were having another kid and a Fiat
>>just wasn't going to cut it. I drive it on regular roads, just like
>>everybody else on this island.
>
>I'm guessing Hawaii? Not sure how much snow and ice you'd encounter
>there.
>
>>This was the FWD model. no heated mirrors
>>or seat. No extra ground clearance either. The gearing was too low on
>>the first two gears. One out of 5 ain't bad, I guess.
>>
>>My assumption is that the all wheel drive Subaru was a dog too.
>
>So you have no idea then. None. Your model sounds like it's quite old.
>Ask yourself why Subarus are one of the most popular performance
>vehicles, world-wide. Ask why they are popular in mountainous areas
>with snow and ice. You bought a vehicle inappropriate for you. But be
>sure to keep on blaming the car.
>
>>The
>>engine sucked big time. Poor gas mileage and the engine was so weak the
>>turning on the AC would cause a noticeable hit in the power level. I've
>>never had a car that did that. I'm not the only person that noticed this
>>effect. My guess is that you've never driven one of these cars.
>
>I've owned mid to late 1970's to 1980's model Subarus, driven 1990's
>models, owned a 1995 Impreza and currently own a 2001 Subaru Forester
>GT. What year and model did you own? I had none of those issues you
>speak of with any of them.
>
>>>> It must have been geared for hippies. They'd probably think it
>>>> was all groovy.
>>>
>>> WTF is that supposed to mean? No offence, but when it comes to cars,
>>> you really need to get educated.
>>>
>>
>>It means that I'm not going to take car advice from people that ain't
>>that interested in cars. Hippies fer instance. Subaru is like the Apple
>>computer of cars. Feel free to test me on my automotive education Dr Jeßus.
>
>I think I'll leave that alone, before I say something I regret.
>You're even worse than somebody who merely hasn't a clue.

Doctor Subaru I presume! Subaru is the Toys R Us of motor vehicles...
puny little underpowered piece of dreck. Subaru is more a golf Kart,
not even worthy of a Go Kart. Subaru is a lezzie's vehicle, only
faggots drive a Subaru. Subaru is definitely the faggotiest vehicale
on the road.

On 6/28/2014 6:26 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-06-28 6:04 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>>> Unless you are going downhill, it is always appropriate to start off in
>>> first gear in a car. You can shift sooner. Starting off is where most
>>> clutch wear happens.
>>>
>>
>> Except for some slippery conditions or a truck with very low gearing.
>
> I used to drive trucks. In fact, my main trucks for a number of years
> were dual stick 5x4 transmissions. When bobtailing I could start in 3rd
> gear high range.


Hit the right RPMs on the tach and just pop it into gear without the
clutch? Man I loved doing that. I drove a single stick with a "T" 8
speed Freightliner when I was an over-the-road tractor trailer driver.

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On 6/28/2014 7:11 PM, wrote:
> On Saturday, June 28, 2014 4:26:09 PM UTC-7, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> I used to drive trucks. In fact, my main trucks for a number of years
>> were dual stick 5x4 transmissions. When bobtailing I could start in 3rd
>> gear high range.
>
> Were they cabovers? Those really bob without a trailer, as I recall.
>
> Question: I used to ride along when I was a kid, before I drove.
> Seems like no one used the clutch between gears; they just matched speeds
> and shifted.
>
>
Yep. The yelled at you in truck driving school if you did that. :-)

I learned on those horrible cabovers, but I drove a conventional with a
condo.

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"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/28/2014 11:24 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 6/28/2014 4:52 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> LOL I know what you mean about using a clutch that isn't there)) I
>>>> get
>>>> a bit of that when I move from my stick shift to my auto, but I've been
>>>> driving auto for so many years I soon fall in to it
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I have done that - of course, I'm addle-brained. I've had cars with
>>> automatics that had dead pedals where the clutch would be. They are
>>> damned cute. As it goes, the question of auto or stick really depends
>>> on the car. I've had cars that worked wonderfully with autos and
>>> others that were shit-pits with standard.
>>
>> I have never seen a car with a dead pedal))
>>
>
> Mostly, it's a rest for your left foot in standards but I've had a couple
> of Toyotas with automatics that had this. Some local people will rest
> their left foot on the dash board. You probably think I'm joking but it's
> no joke. My high school buddy used to have an old Dodge with a Torqueflite
> transmission that he'd shift with his toes. Toe shifting is probably the
> most advanced driving technique yet.

Toe shifting eh? I don't think I am THAT advanced)))

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"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 22:55:11 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 22:09:49 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
m...
>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 09:40:02 -0400, Nancy Young
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On 6/28/2014 9:32 AM, ChattyCathy wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Automatics are good in heavy traffic (saves having to keep one's
>>>>>>> foot
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> clutch pedal) - but in any other circumstances, I prefer 'stick
>>>>>>> shift'
>>>>>>> vehicles; I can pull off in 1st, 2nd and have even done it in 3rd
>>>>>>> gear
>>>>>>> occasionally <laugh>. And I also know when to change gears - don't
>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> rev counter to do it - I still have pretty good hearing...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm with you! I like to shift when I feel like it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Me too. I often start off in 2nd gear on our hilly roads around here.
>>>>> (depends on vehicle's gearing, engine torque, etc.). Too many people
>>>>> will always take off in 1st by default, when it isn't really
>>>>> appropriate.
>>>>
>>>>Because they are not used to the way the clutch and gears work.
>>>
>>> I think it's more a lack of thinking and sheer habit.
>>
>> As you know I've gone back to a stick recently for one of my cars, but it
>>has become automatic to me now the way the clutch and gears work. Once
>>you
>>get used to them again you don't have to think about it.
>
> Yeah, much like using a keyboard.

True.

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On 6/29/2014 12:16 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 6/28/2014 11:24 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 6/28/2014 4:52 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL I know what you mean about using a clutch that isn't there))
>>>>> I get
>>>>> a bit of that when I move from my stick shift to my auto, but I've
>>>>> been
>>>>> driving auto for so many years I soon fall in to it
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have done that - of course, I'm addle-brained. I've had cars with
>>>> automatics that had dead pedals where the clutch would be. They are
>>>> damned cute. As it goes, the question of auto or stick really depends
>>>> on the car. I've had cars that worked wonderfully with autos and
>>>> others that were shit-pits with standard.
>>>
>>> I have never seen a car with a dead pedal))
>>>
>>
>> Mostly, it's a rest for your left foot in standards but I've had a
>> couple of Toyotas with automatics that had this. Some local people
>> will rest their left foot on the dash board. You probably think I'm
>> joking but it's no joke. My high school buddy used to have an old
>> Dodge with a Torqueflite transmission that he'd shift with his toes.
>> Toe shifting is probably the most advanced driving technique yet.
>
> Toe shifting eh? I don't think I am THAT advanced)))
>

I just noticed that my automatic VW Passat has a dead pedal. That was a
surprise. My guess is that lots of people have these but never were
aware of them. That's pretty goofy.

On 6/29/2014 6:16 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>


>> Mostly, it's a rest for your left foot in standards but I've had a
>> couple of Toyotas with automatics that had this. Some local people
>> will rest their left foot on the dash board. You probably think I'm
>> joking but it's no joke. My high school buddy used to have an old
>> Dodge with a Torqueflite transmission that he'd shift with his toes.
>> Toe shifting is probably the most advanced driving technique yet.
>
> Toe shifting eh? I don't think I am THAT advanced)))
>

About 1957 or so, Chrysler had the push button transmission with the
buttons on the left of the dash.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/29/2014 12:16 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 6/28/2014 11:24 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 6/28/2014 4:52 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LOL I know what you mean about using a clutch that isn't there))
>>>>>> I get
>>>>>> a bit of that when I move from my stick shift to my auto, but I've
>>>>>> been
>>>>>> driving auto for so many years I soon fall in to it
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have done that - of course, I'm addle-brained. I've had cars with
>>>>> automatics that had dead pedals where the clutch would be. They are
>>>>> damned cute. As it goes, the question of auto or stick really depends
>>>>> on the car. I've had cars that worked wonderfully with autos and
>>>>> others that were shit-pits with standard.
>>>>
>>>> I have never seen a car with a dead pedal))
>>>>
>>>
>>> Mostly, it's a rest for your left foot in standards but I've had a
>>> couple of Toyotas with automatics that had this. Some local people
>>> will rest their left foot on the dash board. You probably think I'm
>>> joking but it's no joke. My high school buddy used to have an old
>>> Dodge with a Torqueflite transmission that he'd shift with his toes.
>>> Toe shifting is probably the most advanced driving technique yet.
>>
>> Toe shifting eh? I don't think I am THAT advanced)))
>>
>
> I just noticed that my automatic VW Passat has a dead pedal. That was a
> surprise. My guess is that lots of people have these but never were aware
> of them. That's pretty goofy.

Does it move?

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On 6/28/2014 10:11 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-06-28 20:11, wrote:
>> On Saturday, June 28, 2014 4:26:09 PM UTC-7, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>> I used to drive trucks. In fact, my main trucks for a number of years
>>> were dual stick 5x4 transmissions. When bobtailing I could start in 3rd
>>> gear high range.
>>
>> Were they cabovers? Those really bob without a trailer, as I recall.
>
> Some of the electrical crew trucks were cabovers. The tractor trucks I
> drover were conventional cabs. They are pretty rough riding when bob
> tailing.

LOL I wonder how many other people here know what bob tailing means.
I do, because we had to add a special sub-category to the liability
software for one of the clients.

Jill

On 6/29/2014 11:23 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 6/28/2014 10:11 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

>
> LOL I wonder how many other people here know what bob tailing means.
> I do, because we had to add a special sub-category to the liability
> software for one of the clients.

Anyone who watched Ice Road Truckers or the like knows,
at least.

nancy

On 6/29/2014 10:23 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 6/28/2014 10:11 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2014-06-28 20:11, wrote:
>>> On Saturday, June 28, 2014 4:26:09 PM UTC-7, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>> I used to drive trucks. In fact, my main trucks for a number of years
>>>> were dual stick 5x4 transmissions. When bobtailing I could start in 3rd
>>>> gear high range.
>>>
>>> Were they cabovers? Those really bob without a trailer, as I recall.
>>
>> Some of the electrical crew trucks were cabovers. The tractor trucks I
>> drover were conventional cabs. They are pretty rough riding when bob
>> tailing.
>
> LOL I wonder how many other people here know what bob tailing means.
> I do, because we had to add a special sub-category to the liability
> software for one of the clients.
>
> Jill

I do because I drove truck. Still have my class A CDL with endorsements
for doubles, triples and tankers. :-)

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On 6/29/2014 12:33 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
> On 6/29/2014 10:23 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 6/28/2014 10:11 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2014-06-28 20:11, wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, June 28, 2014 4:26:09 PM UTC-7, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I used to drive trucks. In fact, my main trucks for a number of years
>>>>> were dual stick 5x4 transmissions. When bobtailing I could start in
>>>>> 3rd
>>>>> gear high range.
>>>>
>>>> Were they cabovers? Those really bob without a trailer, as I recall.
>>>
>>> Some of the electrical crew trucks were cabovers. The tractor trucks I
>>> drover were conventional cabs. They are pretty rough riding when bob
>>> tailing.
>>
>> LOL I wonder how many other people here know what bob tailing means.
>> I do, because we had to add a special sub-category to the liability
>> software for one of the clients.
>>
>> Jill
>
> I do because I drove truck. Still have my class A CDL with endorsements
> for doubles, triples and tankers. :-)
>
I knew you'd know, Janet. For some reason it's hard for me to
picture you as a trucker.

Jill

On 6/29/2014 2:44 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 6/29/2014 12:16 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 6/28/2014 11:24 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On 6/28/2014 4:52 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> LOL I know what you mean about using a clutch that isn't there))
>>>>>>> I get
>>>>>>> a bit of that when I move from my stick shift to my auto, but I've
>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>> driving auto for so many years I soon fall in to it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have done that - of course, I'm addle-brained. I've had cars with
>>>>>> automatics that had dead pedals where the clutch would be. They are
>>>>>> damned cute. As it goes, the question of auto or stick really depends
>>>>>> on the car. I've had cars that worked wonderfully with autos and
>>>>>> others that were shit-pits with standard.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have never seen a car with a dead pedal))
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mostly, it's a rest for your left foot in standards but I've had a
>>>> couple of Toyotas with automatics that had this. Some local people
>>>> will rest their left foot on the dash board. You probably think I'm
>>>> joking but it's no joke. My high school buddy used to have an old
>>>> Dodge with a Torqueflite transmission that he'd shift with his toes.
>>>> Toe shifting is probably the most advanced driving technique yet.
>>>
>>> Toe shifting eh? I don't think I am THAT advanced)))
>>>
>>
>> I just noticed that my automatic VW Passat has a dead pedal. That was
>> a surprise. My guess is that lots of people have these but never were
>> aware of them. That's pretty goofy.
>
> Does it move?
>

The pedal is a raised platform that does not move and typically has a
vinyl non-slip surface. Sometimes they are bright shiny things meant for
looks. The theory is that you rest your left foot on it to stabilize
your body. I've never used it myself. I do jam my left knee against the
door when doing right turns. I have to use my ass for left turns so I
usually only turn right. In your county the opposite would be the case.
In fact, dead pedals might be rare in the UK because of the right hand
steering. That's just me guessing again.

On 6/29/2014 11:33 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 6/29/2014 12:33 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>> On 6/29/2014 10:23 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 6/28/2014 10:11 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2014-06-28 20:11, wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, June 28, 2014 4:26:09 PM UTC-7, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I used to drive trucks. In fact, my main trucks for a number of years
>>>>>> were dual stick 5x4 transmissions. When bobtailing I could start in
>>>>>> 3rd
>>>>>> gear high range.
>>>>>
>>>>> Were they cabovers? Those really bob without a trailer, as I recall.
>>>>
>>>> Some of the electrical crew trucks were cabovers. The tractor trucks I
>>>> drover were conventional cabs. They are pretty rough riding when bob
>>>> tailing.
>>>
>>> LOL I wonder how many other people here know what bob tailing means.
>>> I do, because we had to add a special sub-category to the liability
>>> software for one of the clients.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> I do because I drove truck. Still have my class A CDL with endorsements
>> for doubles, triples and tankers. :-)
>>
> I knew you'd know, Janet. For some reason it's hard for me to
> picture you as a trucker.
>
> Jill

It was a brief career.

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"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/29/2014 2:44 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 6/29/2014 12:16 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 6/28/2014 11:24 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> On 6/28/2014 4:52 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> LOL I know what you mean about using a clutch that isn't there))
>>>>>>>> I get
>>>>>>>> a bit of that when I move from my stick shift to my auto, but I've
>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>> driving auto for so many years I soon fall in to it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have done that - of course, I'm addle-brained. I've had cars with
>>>>>>> automatics that had dead pedals where the clutch would be. They are
>>>>>>> damned cute. As it goes, the question of auto or stick really
>>>>>>> depends
>>>>>>> on the car. I've had cars that worked wonderfully with autos and
>>>>>>> others that were shit-pits with standard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have never seen a car with a dead pedal))
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mostly, it's a rest for your left foot in standards but I've had a
>>>>> couple of Toyotas with automatics that had this. Some local people
>>>>> will rest their left foot on the dash board. You probably think I'm
>>>>> joking but it's no joke. My high school buddy used to have an old
>>>>> Dodge with a Torqueflite transmission that he'd shift with his toes.
>>>>> Toe shifting is probably the most advanced driving technique yet.
>>>>
>>>> Toe shifting eh? I don't think I am THAT advanced)))
>>>>
>>>
>>> I just noticed that my automatic VW Passat has a dead pedal. That was
>>> a surprise. My guess is that lots of people have these but never were
>>> aware of them. That's pretty goofy.
>>
>> Does it move?
>>
>
> The pedal is a raised platform that does not move and typically has a
> vinyl non-slip surface. Sometimes they are bright shiny things meant for
> looks. The theory is that you rest your left foot on it to stabilize your
> body. I've never used it myself. I do jam my left knee against the door
> when doing right turns. I have to use my ass for left turns so I usually
> only turn right. In your county the opposite would be the case. In fact,
> dead pedals might be rare in the UK because of the right hand steering.
> That's just me guessing again.

You mean we don't have to use or ass for right turns? ;p

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On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 08:38:19 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 6/29/2014 6:16 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>
>
>>> Mostly, it's a rest for your left foot in standards but I've had a
>>> couple of Toyotas with automatics that had this. Some local people
>>> will rest their left foot on the dash board. You probably think I'm
>>> joking but it's no joke. My high school buddy used to have an old
>>> Dodge with a Torqueflite transmission that he'd shift with his toes.
>>> Toe shifting is probably the most advanced driving technique yet.
>>
>> Toe shifting eh? I don't think I am THAT advanced)))
>>
>
>About 1957 or so, Chrysler had the push button transmission with the
>buttons on the left of the dash.

A few different Chrysler models around the world had that. I suppose
ergonomically it wasn't as good an idea compared to a floor shifter,
and now paddles, of course.

On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 11:23:12 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 6/28/2014 10:11 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2014-06-28 20:11, wrote:
>>> On Saturday, June 28, 2014 4:26:09 PM UTC-7, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>> I used to drive trucks. In fact, my main trucks for a number of years
>>>> were dual stick 5x4 transmissions. When bobtailing I could start in 3rd
>>>> gear high range.
>>>
>>> Were they cabovers? Those really bob without a trailer, as I recall.
>>
>> Some of the electrical crew trucks were cabovers. The tractor trucks I
>> drover were conventional cabs. They are pretty rough riding when bob
>> tailing.
>
>LOL I wonder how many other people here know what bob tailing means.
> I do, because we had to add a special sub-category to the liability
>software for one of the clients.

AKA jack-knifing?

On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 14:13:11 -0500, Janet Wilder >
wrote:

>On 6/29/2014 11:33 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 6/29/2014 12:33 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>>> On 6/29/2014 10:23 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>> On 6/28/2014 10:11 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>> On 2014-06-28 20:11, wrote:
>>>>>> On Saturday, June 28, 2014 4:26:09 PM UTC-7, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I used to drive trucks. In fact, my main trucks for a number of years
>>>>>>> were dual stick 5x4 transmissions. When bobtailing I could start in
>>>>>>> 3rd
>>>>>>> gear high range.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Were they cabovers? Those really bob without a trailer, as I recall.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some of the electrical crew trucks were cabovers. The tractor trucks I
>>>>> drover were conventional cabs. They are pretty rough riding when bob
>>>>> tailing.
>>>>
>>>> LOL I wonder how many other people here know what bob tailing means.
>>>> I do, because we had to add a special sub-category to the liability
>>>> software for one of the clients.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> I do because I drove truck. Still have my class A CDL with endorsements
>>> for doubles, triples and tankers. :-)
>>>
>> I knew you'd know, Janet. For some reason it's hard for me to
>> picture you as a trucker.
>
>It was a brief career.

Any pics of you in a truck Janet? I'd never have guessed you drove
trucks

On 2014-06-29 4:37 PM, Jeßus wrote:

>> About 1957 or so, Chrysler had the push button transmission with the
>> buttons on the left of the dash.
>
> A few different Chrysler models around the world had that. I suppose
> ergonomically it wasn't as good an idea compared to a floor shifter,
> and now paddles, of course.
>


There was nothing ergonomic about it. It was push button. It seemed
like a good idea at the time.

On 2014-06-29 4:38 PM, Jeßus wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 11:23:12 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 6/28/2014 10:11 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2014-06-28 20:11, wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, June 28, 2014 4:26:09 PM UTC-7, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I used to drive trucks. In fact, my main trucks for a number of years
>>>>> were dual stick 5x4 transmissions. When bobtailing I could start in 3rd
>>>>> gear high range.
>>>>
>>>> Were they cabovers? Those really bob without a trailer, as I recall.
>>>
>>> Some of the electrical crew trucks were cabovers. The tractor trucks I
>>> drover were conventional cabs. They are pretty rough riding when bob
>>> tailing.
>>
>> LOL I wonder how many other people here know what bob tailing means.
>> I do, because we had to add a special sub-category to the liability
>> software for one of the clients.
>
> AKA jack-knifing?

What was that special license you claim to hold? How in hell do you jack
knife when bob tailing?

On 6/29/2014 10:01 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 6/29/2014 2:44 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 6/29/2014 12:16 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On 6/28/2014 11:24 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> On 6/28/2014 4:52 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> LOL I know what you mean about using a clutch that isn't there))
>>>>>>>>> I get
>>>>>>>>> a bit of that when I move from my stick shift to my auto, but I've
>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>> driving auto for so many years I soon fall in to it
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have done that - of course, I'm addle-brained. I've had cars with
>>>>>>>> automatics that had dead pedals where the clutch would be. They are
>>>>>>>> damned cute. As it goes, the question of auto or stick really
>>>>>>>> depends
>>>>>>>> on the car. I've had cars that worked wonderfully with autos and
>>>>>>>> others that were shit-pits with standard.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have never seen a car with a dead pedal))
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mostly, it's a rest for your left foot in standards but I've had a
>>>>>> couple of Toyotas with automatics that had this. Some local people
>>>>>> will rest their left foot on the dash board. You probably think I'm
>>>>>> joking but it's no joke. My high school buddy used to have an old
>>>>>> Dodge with a Torqueflite transmission that he'd shift with his toes.
>>>>>> Toe shifting is probably the most advanced driving technique yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Toe shifting eh? I don't think I am THAT advanced)))
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I just noticed that my automatic VW Passat has a dead pedal. That was
>>>> a surprise. My guess is that lots of people have these but never were
>>>> aware of them. That's pretty goofy.
>>>
>>> Does it move?
>>>
>>
>> The pedal is a raised platform that does not move and typically has a
>> vinyl non-slip surface. Sometimes they are bright shiny things meant for
>> looks. The theory is that you rest your left foot on it to stabilize your
>> body. I've never used it myself. I do jam my left knee against the door
>> when doing right turns. I have to use my ass for left turns so I usually
>> only turn right. In your county the opposite would be the case. In fact,
>> dead pedals might be rare in the UK because of the right hand steering.
>> That's just me guessing again.
>
> You mean we don't have to use or ass for right turns? ;p
>

This is a good question. A Google image search for dead pedal yields
mostly pictures of cars with left hand steering. Either the UK
manufactures think it's superfluous or it doesn't work with rt. hand
steering. I am, of course, assuming that you guys don't have spikes
coming out of your butts. :-)