Has anyone ever done it even half heartedly? Between hubby losing his
fear of fat, which means he ate a hamburger made with 20% fat, a
little bacon and fried chicken covered in pork rinds in the last
couple of weeks ended in a big gout flare up. Not good. I told him
he needs to learn to love tofu and vegetarian meals.

Does anyone have a good site for gout friendly recipes? He's not
overweight and doesn't drink, so I don't need to hear about that.

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

"sf" > wrote in message
...
>
> Has anyone ever done it even half heartedly? Between hubby losing his
> fear of fat, which means he ate a hamburger made with 20% fat, a
> little bacon and fried chicken covered in pork rinds in the last
> couple of weeks ended in a big gout flare up. Not good. I told him
> he needs to learn to love tofu and vegetarian meals.
>
> Does anyone have a good site for gout friendly recipes? He's not
> overweight and doesn't drink, so I don't need to hear about that.

I think saffron is good for gout.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
>
> Has anyone ever done it even half heartedly? Between hubby losing his
> fear of fat, which means he ate a hamburger made with 20% fat, a
> little bacon and fried chicken covered in pork rinds in the last
> couple of weeks ended in a big gout flare up. Not good. I told him
> he needs to learn to love tofu and vegetarian meals.
>
> Does anyone have a good site for gout friendly recipes? He's not
> overweight and doesn't drink, so I don't need to hear about that.

I don't really know much about gout, but I did print this out for a friend
who has it not too long ago. It seems to say what is good and not so good to
eat. I hear that it's extremely painful and I hope your hubby is able to
work it out so not in pain often.

http://www.patient.co.uk/health/gout-diet-sheet

Cheri

On Tue, 1 Jul 2014 10:10:32 -0700, "Pico Rico" >
wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Has anyone ever done it even half heartedly? Between hubby losing his
> > fear of fat, which means he ate a hamburger made with 20% fat, a
> > little bacon and fried chicken covered in pork rinds in the last
> > couple of weeks ended in a big gout flare up. Not good. I told him
> > he needs to learn to love tofu and vegetarian meals.
> >
> > Does anyone have a good site for gout friendly recipes? He's not
> > overweight and doesn't drink, so I don't need to hear about that.
>
> I think saffron is good for gout.
>
As luck would have it, I bought some Spanish saffron just a few days
ago. What recipes do you recommend? No shellfish though, that's one
of his triggers.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 1 Jul 2014 10:10:32 -0700, "Pico Rico" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > Has anyone ever done it even half heartedly? Between hubby losing his
>> > fear of fat, which means he ate a hamburger made with 20% fat, a
>> > little bacon and fried chicken covered in pork rinds in the last
>> > couple of weeks ended in a big gout flare up. Not good. I told him
>> > he needs to learn to love tofu and vegetarian meals.
>> >
>> > Does anyone have a good site for gout friendly recipes? He's not
>> > overweight and doesn't drink, so I don't need to hear about that.
>>
>> I think saffron is good for gout.
>>
> As luck would have it, I bought some Spanish saffron just a few days
> ago. What recipes do you recommend? No shellfish though, that's one
> of his triggers.

my dad experimented with his gout and saffron risotto and proved to his
satisfaction the benefit of saffron to a gout sufferer.

On Tue, 1 Jul 2014 10:49:22 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Has anyone ever done it even half heartedly? Between hubby losing his
> > fear of fat, which means he ate a hamburger made with 20% fat, a
> > little bacon and fried chicken covered in pork rinds in the last
> > couple of weeks ended in a big gout flare up. Not good. I told him
> > he needs to learn to love tofu and vegetarian meals.
> >
> > Does anyone have a good site for gout friendly recipes? He's not
> > overweight and doesn't drink, so I don't need to hear about that.
>
> I don't really know much about gout, but I did print this out for a friend
> who has it not too long ago. It seems to say what is good and not so good to
> eat.
>
> http://www.patient.co.uk/health/gout-diet-sheet

Thanks, the part about insulin resistance works for me. He has to
watch what he eats to keep his blood sugar under control. I guess
they are all interrelated.

Your friend might be interested in the site I discovered yesterday.
http://www.goutpal.com/

> I hear that it's extremely painful and I hope your hubby is able to
> work it out so not in pain often.

Thanks, it is very painful. You don't want it and you don't want to
be married to someone who has it. He has been controlling it by diet
for years and has been pretty successful - but looking at gout
triggers yesterday, fat seems to be one of them. He didn't realize
this one was gout until he took his gout medication after a couple of
days and he felt relief immediately. Up to that point, he thought the
pain was muscular because it was not in his knee joint, just near it,
and he won't call the Dr (says "What can he do?"), I've been down
that road.

>


--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 11:36:53 AM UTC-7, sf wrote:

A Primal/Paleo diet has proven to be actually good for gout sufferers.

Here's a great article. I had a couple of bouts with gout before I went Primal. Nothing, nada, nary a drop since.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/gout-...#axzz36FE874GT

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 1 Jul 2014 10:49:22 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > Has anyone ever done it even half heartedly? Between hubby losing his
>> > fear of fat, which means he ate a hamburger made with 20% fat, a
>> > little bacon and fried chicken covered in pork rinds in the last
>> > couple of weeks ended in a big gout flare up. Not good. I told him
>> > he needs to learn to love tofu and vegetarian meals.
>> >
>> > Does anyone have a good site for gout friendly recipes? He's not
>> > overweight and doesn't drink, so I don't need to hear about that.
>>
>> I don't really know much about gout, but I did print this out for a
>> friend
>> who has it not too long ago. It seems to say what is good and not so good
>> to
>> eat.
>>
>> http://www.patient.co.uk/health/gout-diet-sheet
>
> Thanks, the part about insulin resistance works for me. He has to
> watch what he eats to keep his blood sugar under control. I guess
> they are all interrelated.
>
> Your friend might be interested in the site I discovered yesterday.
> http://www.goutpal.com/
>
>> I hear that it's extremely painful and I hope your hubby is able to
>> work it out so not in pain often.
>
> Thanks, it is very painful. You don't want it and you don't want to
> be married to someone who has it. He has been controlling it by diet
> for years and has been pretty successful - but looking at gout
> triggers yesterday, fat seems to be one of them. He didn't realize
> this one was gout until he took his gout medication after a couple of
> days and he felt relief immediately. Up to that point, he thought the
> pain was muscular because it was not in his knee joint, just near it,
> and he won't call the Dr (says "What can he do?"), I've been down
> that road.

Thanks for that site, he got a computer recently so anything like that can
help. I have a stubborn dh too, and sometimes it makes it a bit miserable
for those around them when they're hurting. :-)

Cheri

"ImStillMags" > wrote in message
...
> On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 11:36:53 AM UTC-7, sf wrote:
>
> A Primal/Paleo diet has proven to be actually good for gout sufferers.
>
> Here's a great article. I had a couple of bouts with gout before I went
> Primal. Nothing, nada, nary a drop since.
>
> http://www.marksdailyapple.com/gout-...#axzz36FE874GT

I love that site. A lot of useful info there for me.

Cheri

"sf" > wrote in message
...
>
> Has anyone ever done it even half heartedly? Between hubby losing his
> fear of fat, which means he ate a hamburger made with 20% fat, a
> little bacon and fried chicken covered in pork rinds in the last
> couple of weeks ended in a big gout flare up. Not good. I told him
> he needs to learn to love tofu and vegetarian meals.
>
> Does anyone have a good site for gout friendly recipes? He's not
> overweight and doesn't drink, so I don't need to hear about that.

I can't help with personal experience but I found this on google:

Gout-Friendly Recipes: Nutrition Guidelines & Diet Restrictions

http://www.healthline.com/health/gout/diet-restrictions

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On Tue, 1 Jul 2014 11:33:24 -0700, "Pico Rico" >
wrote:

> my dad experimented with his gout and saffron risotto and proved to his
> satisfaction the benefit of saffron to a gout sufferer.
>

Thanks. Risotto has been my Waterloo to date and I'm kind of gun shy,
but this might be a good enough reason to learn how not to make rice
paste (I think I cook it too long).

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

On Tue, 1 Jul 2014 11:56:40 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
> wrote:

> On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 11:36:53 AM UTC-7, sf wrote:
>
> A Primal/Paleo diet has proven to be actually good for gout sufferers.
>
> Here's a great article. I had a couple of bouts with gout before I went Primal. Nothing, nada, nary a drop since.
>
> http://www.marksdailyapple.com/gout-...#axzz36FE874GT

Thanks so much for giving me your personal experience! He has more
than gout to contend with, high blood sugar (which is controlled by
diet) and he had the same heart procedure Dave Smith had.

He has done best when I cook low fat, low carb, paired with resistant
starches. I'm thinking a recent increase of fat consumption may have
triggered it this time, so I'm skeptical about how he'd do on a
full-on Paleo program because of the high fat content. I'm leaning
more toward Clean Eating at the moment.

Just wondering. Have you had any recent blood tests that measure if
you're low on any vitamins or minerals, because low D (mainly the
sunshine one) and B12 seem to be common problems in all the age groups
I've heard report.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

On Tue, 1 Jul 2014 20:23:32 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:
>
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Has anyone ever done it even half heartedly? Between hubby losing his
> > fear of fat, which means he ate a hamburger made with 20% fat, a
> > little bacon and fried chicken covered in pork rinds in the last
> > couple of weeks ended in a big gout flare up. Not good. I told him
> > he needs to learn to love tofu and vegetarian meals.
> >
> > Does anyone have a good site for gout friendly recipes? He's not
> > overweight and doesn't drink, so I don't need to hear about that.
>
> I can't help with personal experience but I found this on google:
>
> Gout-Friendly Recipes: Nutrition Guidelines & Diet Restrictions
>
> http://www.healthline.com/health/gout/diet-restrictions

Thanks, I didn't find a recipe file there - but I did find this site
http://www.health.com/health/gallery...8271_2,00.html

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 1:30:08 PM UTC-7, sf wrote:

If you read the article, Marks answers your questions and gets into the reay "why" of things. Some things we have been told are not necessarily true.

and yes, I've had blood tests recently. My cholesteral is great, and I was a little low on B12 and am taking the drops. I've been taking vitamin D for a while, about 6,000mgs a day and my D levels were fine.

Never hurts to supplement with vitamins and minerals, mostly a one a day type will be fine.

On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 1:56:16 PM UTC-7, ImStillMags wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 1:30:08 PM UTC-7, sf wrote:
>
>
>
> If you read the article, Marks answers your questions and gets into the reay "why" of things. Some things we have been told are not necessarily true.
>
>
>
> and yes, I've had blood tests recently. My cholesteral is great, and I was a little low on B12 and am taking the drops. I've been taking vitamin D for a while, about 6,000mgs a day and my D levels were fine.
>
>
>
> Never hurts to supplement with vitamins and minerals, mostly a one a day type will be fine.

oh, and read all the comments under the article as well....good information there usually.

sf wrote:
>
> Does anyone have a good site for gout friendly recipes? He's not
> overweight and doesn't drink, so I don't need to hear about that.

Any diet without meat, cheese, or eggs
should be fine. Any fruit, any vegetables,
bread, pasta, butter, and cream are all fine.

"sf" wrote in message ...


Has anyone ever done it even half heartedly? Between hubby losing his
fear of fat, which means he ate a hamburger made with 20% fat, a
little bacon and fried chicken covered in pork rinds in the last
couple of weeks ended in a big gout flare up. Not good. I told him
he needs to learn to love tofu and vegetarian meals.

Does anyone have a good site for gout friendly recipes? He's not
overweight and doesn't drink, so I don't need to hear about that.

--
My father had gout and was told to avoid food with high purine content. I
will paste the food list (below) that he was given. He was pretty good
about following instructions, and this did help for him. However, this was
quite a number of years ago, so I dont know if the same instructions are
given today.

FOODS TO AVOID: HIGH PURINE CONTENT

Most Important to Avoid: High Purine

bouillon (note: bouillon is a meat extract)
broth
consomme
gravy
goose
meat extract
commercial gravy mixes
meat drippings
meat where you eat the whole item (scallops, oysters, etc.)
organ meat
yeast in high concentration (note: bread is okay)

Moderate Level

Meat: limit to 2 servings per day
All high protein food should be limited to 2 servings per day (1
serving = no more than 3 oz.; limit to 6 oz. daily)

Vegetables: limit to 3 times per week
spinach
asparagus
dried beans and peas
dried lentils
mushrooms

I hope this help. Gout really was extremely painful when he had a flare-up.

MaryL

"sf" > wrote in message
...
>
> Has anyone ever done it even half heartedly? Between hubby losing his
> fear of fat, which means he ate a hamburger made with 20% fat, a
> little bacon and fried chicken covered in pork rinds in the last
> couple of weeks ended in a big gout flare up. Not good. I told him
> he needs to learn to love tofu and vegetarian meals.
>
> Does anyone have a good site for gout friendly recipes? He's not
> overweight and doesn't drink, so I don't need to hear about that.

I had asked about it here before and unfortunately there is not one diet to
follow. And not everyone responds to diet. My FIL followed the diet that
he was given to the letter and it didn't help. Basically he was to avoid
beef and seafood and eat tons of cherries and cherry juice.

FIL was Italian and he mainly ate a lot of salads, including bread salad.
That was stale bread, crumbled and topped with canned tomatoes. Also a lot
of soup. Mostly pasta fagioli but vegetable soup too. Pasta with red
sauce, no meat. Pizza on Fridays, no meat. Lunch was often eggs and
peppers on bread. He did not care much for meat so really didn't eat much
of it.

Husband has found that protein, regardless of the source is bad for his
gout. Even if it is eggs, cheese or yogurt, it affects him just as badly as
meat and seafood. So when his is flaring, he eats no more than one protein
serving per day.

I just read recently that tomatoes are very good to eat when you have gout,
but other sources say to avoid them. Also avoid dark leafy greens.

From what I have read about the diet, it would seem that the best foods for
gout would be carby ones like rice and bread

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 1 Jul 2014 10:49:22 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > Has anyone ever done it even half heartedly? Between hubby losing his
>> > fear of fat, which means he ate a hamburger made with 20% fat, a
>> > little bacon and fried chicken covered in pork rinds in the last
>> > couple of weeks ended in a big gout flare up. Not good. I told him
>> > he needs to learn to love tofu and vegetarian meals.
>> >
>> > Does anyone have a good site for gout friendly recipes? He's not
>> > overweight and doesn't drink, so I don't need to hear about that.
>>
>> I don't really know much about gout, but I did print this out for a
>> friend
>> who has it not too long ago. It seems to say what is good and not so good
>> to
>> eat.
>>
>> http://www.patient.co.uk/health/gout-diet-sheet
>
> Thanks, the part about insulin resistance works for me. He has to
> watch what he eats to keep his blood sugar under control. I guess
> they are all interrelated.
>
> Your friend might be interested in the site I discovered yesterday.
> http://www.goutpal.com/
>
>> I hear that it's extremely painful and I hope your hubby is able to
>> work it out so not in pain often.
>
> Thanks, it is very painful. You don't want it and you don't want to
> be married to someone who has it. He has been controlling it by diet
> for years and has been pretty successful - but looking at gout
> triggers yesterday, fat seems to be one of them. He didn't realize
> this one was gout until he took his gout medication after a couple of
> days and he felt relief immediately. Up to that point, he thought the
> pain was muscular because it was not in his knee joint, just near it,
> and he won't call the Dr (says "What can he do?"), I've been down
> that road.

I would be willing to bet that it was the protein and not the fat. Beef is
one of the worst things for gout.

"Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
...
> sf wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone have a good site for gout friendly recipes? He's not
>> overweight and doesn't drink, so I don't need to hear about that.
>
> Any diet without meat, cheese, or eggs
> should be fine. Any fruit, any vegetables,
> bread, pasta, butter, and cream are all fine.

Not quite but close. Some veggies are bad. Like mushrooms and spinach.
The only problem with that is that it would be pretty carby.

If it were me, I would make a big batch of Spanish rice but use a lot of
veggies like onions, tomatoes and peppers to help lower the carb count.
Could probably get away with some celery in there too. I would add beans
for protein.

I would also do something like a pasta salad with beans in it and tons of
cut up raw veggies to help keep the carb count down.

Or a vegetable soup with beans and perhaps just a little rice or pasta in
it.

Husband eats a lot of fruit and hummus when his is flaring. Not at the same
time. Hummus is eaten with baby carrots.

On Tue, 1 Jul 2014 22:21:41 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> I would be willing to bet that it was the protein and not the fat. Beef is
> one of the worst things for gout.

Except he can eat an occasional meal of beef and not feel bad. I
think he had too much fat, even though I fried the chicken in peanut
oil.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 1 Jul 2014 22:21:41 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> I would be willing to bet that it was the protein and not the fat. Beef
>> is
>> one of the worst things for gout.
>
> Except he can eat an occasional meal of beef and not feel bad. I
> think he had too much fat, even though I fried the chicken in peanut
> oil.

Okay...

On Tue, 1 Jul 2014 22:27:43 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
> ...
> > sf wrote:
> >>
> >> Does anyone have a good site for gout friendly recipes? He's not
> >> overweight and doesn't drink, so I don't need to hear about that.
> >
> > Any diet without meat, cheese, or eggs
> > should be fine. Any fruit, any vegetables,
> > bread, pasta, butter, and cream are all fine.
>
> Not quite but close. Some veggies are bad. Like mushrooms and spinach.
> The only problem with that is that it would be pretty carby.
>
> If it were me, I would make a big batch of Spanish rice but use a lot of
> veggies like onions, tomatoes and peppers to help lower the carb count.
> Could probably get away with some celery in there too. I would add beans
> for protein.

Rice won't work if it's white rice (diabetes controlled by diet) and
according to goutpal.com, it's okay to eat vegetables even when
they're high in purines because the human body doesn't metabolize
vegetable purines the same way it metabolizes animal purines. I can
only say he never reacts to the purines in mushrooms or spinach.
>
> I would also do something like a pasta salad with beans in it and tons of
> cut up raw veggies to help keep the carb count down.
>
He hates that stuff.

> Or a vegetable soup with beans and perhaps just a little rice or pasta in
> it.
>
> Husband eats a lot of fruit and hummus when his is flaring. Not at the same
> time. Hummus is eaten with baby carrots.

Hubby doesn't eat much fruit these days (although he plows through
strawberries) because of his blood sugar issues + he hates cherries
and won't drink cherry juice either.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

On Tue, 1 Jul 2014 22:16:06 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Has anyone ever done it even half heartedly? Between hubby losing his
> > fear of fat, which means he ate a hamburger made with 20% fat, a
> > little bacon and fried chicken covered in pork rinds in the last
> > couple of weeks ended in a big gout flare up. Not good. I told him
> > he needs to learn to love tofu and vegetarian meals.
> >
> > Does anyone have a good site for gout friendly recipes? He's not
> > overweight and doesn't drink, so I don't need to hear about that.
>
> I had asked about it here before and unfortunately there is not one diet to
> follow. And not everyone responds to diet. My FIL followed the diet that
> he was given to the letter and it didn't help. Basically he was to avoid
> beef and seafood and eat tons of cherries and cherry juice.
>
> FIL was Italian and he mainly ate a lot of salads, including bread salad.
> That was stale bread, crumbled and topped with canned tomatoes. Also a lot
> of soup. Mostly pasta fagioli but vegetable soup too. Pasta with red
> sauce, no meat. Pizza on Fridays, no meat. Lunch was often eggs and
> peppers on bread. He did not care much for meat so really didn't eat much
> of it.
>
> Husband has found that protein, regardless of the source is bad for his
> gout. Even if it is eggs, cheese or yogurt, it affects him just as badly as
> meat and seafood. So when his is flaring, he eats no more than one protein
> serving per day.
>
> I just read recently that tomatoes are very good to eat when you have gout,
> but other sources say to avoid them. Also avoid dark leafy greens.
>
> From what I have read about the diet, it would seem that the best foods for
> gout would be carby ones like rice and bread

Gout information is SO contradictory (unless it has been plagiarized)!
I guess it all boils down to trial and error.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 2:47:00 PM UTC-7, Mark Thorson wrote:
> sf wrote:
>
> > Does anyone have a good site for gout friendly recipes? He's not
> > overweight and doesn't drink, so I don't need to hear about that.
>
>
>
> Any diet without meat, cheese, or eggs
> should be fine. Any fruit, any vegetables,
> bread, pasta, butter, and cream are all fine.

I would limit my asparagus and oatmeal consumption -- once a week is
fine, but don't eat them day after day. Also beware of beets and chard --
the oxalic acid creates gout-like pain.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 1 Jul 2014 22:27:43 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > sf wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Does anyone have a good site for gout friendly recipes? He's not
>> >> overweight and doesn't drink, so I don't need to hear about that.
>> >
>> > Any diet without meat, cheese, or eggs
>> > should be fine. Any fruit, any vegetables,
>> > bread, pasta, butter, and cream are all fine.
>>
>> Not quite but close. Some veggies are bad. Like mushrooms and spinach.
>> The only problem with that is that it would be pretty carby.
>>
>> If it were me, I would make a big batch of Spanish rice but use a lot of
>> veggies like onions, tomatoes and peppers to help lower the carb count.
>> Could probably get away with some celery in there too. I would add beans
>> for protein.
>
> Rice won't work if it's white rice (diabetes controlled by diet) and
> according to goutpal.com, it's okay to eat vegetables even when
> they're high in purines because the human body doesn't metabolize
> vegetable purines the same way it metabolizes animal purines. I can
> only say he never reacts to the purines in mushrooms or spinach.
>>
>> I would also do something like a pasta salad with beans in it and tons of
>> cut up raw veggies to help keep the carb count down.
>>
> He hates that stuff.
>
>> Or a vegetable soup with beans and perhaps just a little rice or pasta in
>> it.
>>
>> Husband eats a lot of fruit and hummus when his is flaring. Not at the
>> same
>> time. Hummus is eaten with baby carrots.
>
> Hubby doesn't eat much fruit these days (although he plows through
> strawberries) because of his blood sugar issues + he hates cherries
> and won't drink cherry juice either.

That figures. Strawberries are usually fine for blood sugar. Other fruit,
not so much.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 1 Jul 2014 22:27:43 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > sf wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Does anyone have a good site for gout friendly recipes? He's not
>> >> overweight and doesn't drink, so I don't need to hear about that.
>> >
>> > Any diet without meat, cheese, or eggs
>> > should be fine. Any fruit, any vegetables,
>> > bread, pasta, butter, and cream are all fine.
>>
>> Not quite but close. Some veggies are bad. Like mushrooms and spinach.
>> The only problem with that is that it would be pretty carby.
>>
>> If it were me, I would make a big batch of Spanish rice but use a lot of
>> veggies like onions, tomatoes and peppers to help lower the carb count.
>> Could probably get away with some celery in there too. I would add beans
>> for protein.
>
> Rice won't work if it's white rice (diabetes controlled by diet) and
> according to goutpal.com, it's okay to eat vegetables even when
> they're high in purines because the human body doesn't metabolize
> vegetable purines the same way it metabolizes animal purines. I can
> only say he never reacts to the purines in mushrooms or spinach.
>>
>> I would also do something like a pasta salad with beans in it and tons of
>> cut up raw veggies to help keep the carb count down.
>>
> He hates that stuff.
>
>> Or a vegetable soup with beans and perhaps just a little rice or pasta in
>> it.
>>
>> Husband eats a lot of fruit and hummus when his is flaring. Not at the
>> same
>> time. Hummus is eaten with baby carrots.
>
> Hubby doesn't eat much fruit these days (although he plows through
> strawberries) because of his blood sugar issues + he hates cherries
> and won't drink cherry juice either.

From the lists I have seen about what NOT to eat, there doesn't seem to be
much left( What can he eat?

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On Wed, 2 Jul 2014 11:11:59 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

> From the lists I have seen about what NOT to eat, there doesn't seem to be
> much left( What can he eat?

That's how we feel too. Those pills are horrible on your liver &
kidneys, so he's going the control by diet route until he simply can't
do it anymore. So, what works is trial and error and a bad reaction
is often not immediate, so then we have to work backward and analyze
what was eaten in the last few days. Was it something new? Was it a
lot more than usual of something that doesn't normally bother him when
he eats it from time to time?

The only good thing about this is when I cook for one problem, I'm
automatically working on the others too. Most of the time, I
concentrate on the diabetic issue - but I've completely cut out
cooking shellfish at home because of gout and he doesn't want to go
through the pain of narrowing it down to pinpoint which bother him and
which don't. I don't even bother using products like fake crab, which
is crab flavored chunks of fish, because it often uses real crab for
the flavoring. So he is stuck tasting from my plate when we eat in
restaurants and I order something from his no-no list.

--
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On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 11:31:23 PM UTC-7, sf wrote:

> Gout information is SO contradictory (unless it has been plagiarized)!
>
> I guess it all boils down to trial and error.
>
>
>
> --
>
> All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

The reason it is so contradictory is that all the OLD information is still circulating out there.
More recent findings are showing that the old dietary advice might be wrong simply because the person suffereing from gout has more imbalances in the body and just not eating meat or eggplant is not the fix.

Please read the article I posted for you from Mark Sisson and find some other recent studies.

If you want to just relieve symptoms, the band aid of cutting out certain foods will not heal the underlying problems. They have to be addressed to completely clear up the problems.

On Tue, 1 Jul 2014 11:56:40 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
> wrote:

> On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 11:36:53 AM UTC-7, sf wrote:
>
> A Primal/Paleo diet has proven to be actually good for gout sufferers.
>
> Here's a great article. I had a couple of bouts with gout before I went Primal. Nothing, nada, nary a drop since.
>
> http://www.marksdailyapple.com/gout-...#axzz36FE874GT

Thanks. We tried full on primal a few months ago, but he lost too
much weight and was starving all the time. He needs some carbs
(resistant starches) to not be so hungry all the time and apparently
adding more fat isn't good for him as evidenced by this gout attack.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 2 Jul 2014 11:11:59 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>> From the lists I have seen about what NOT to eat, there doesn't seem to
>> be
>> much left( What can he eat?
>
> That's how we feel too. Those pills are horrible on your liver &
> kidneys, so he's going the control by diet route until he simply can't
> do it anymore. So, what works is trial and error and a bad reaction
> is often not immediate, so then we have to work backward and analyze
> what was eaten in the last few days. Was it something new? Was it a
> lot more than usual of something that doesn't normally bother him when
> he eats it from time to time?
>
> The only good thing about this is when I cook for one problem, I'm
> automatically working on the others too. Most of the time, I
> concentrate on the diabetic issue - but I've completely cut out
> cooking shellfish at home because of gout and he doesn't want to go
> through the pain of narrowing it down to pinpoint which bother him and
> which don't. I don't even bother using products like fake crab, which
> is crab flavored chunks of fish, because it often uses real crab for
> the flavoring. So he is stuck tasting from my plate when we eat in
> restaurants and I order something from his no-no list.

You both have my commiserations He is lucky you are working so hard to
keep him off his pills and give him food he can enjoy; although I cannot
imagine what that could possibly be


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On Wed, 02 Jul 2014 07:15:23 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Tue, 1 Jul 2014 11:56:40 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
> wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 11:36:53 AM UTC-7, sf wrote:
>>
>> A Primal/Paleo diet has proven to be actually good for gout sufferers.
>>
>> Here's a great article. I had a couple of bouts with gout before I went Primal. Nothing, nada, nary a drop since.
>>
>> http://www.marksdailyapple.com/gout-...#axzz36FE874GT
>
>Thanks. We tried full on primal a few months ago, but he lost too
>much weight and was starving all the time. He needs some carbs
>(resistant starches) to not be so hungry all the time and apparently
>adding more fat isn't good for him as evidenced by this gout attack.

Starving all the time? I don't know what primal/paleo diet he went on,
but I've never_ever_been starving or even hungry it.
It's not a high fat plan, the meats you eat should be lean. There's
always chicken and fish too.

I don't have his dietary limitations, diabetic, heart and gout? but
the plan sounds perfect for those conditions.
I wish him well, this makes me realize how truly blessed I am.

koko

On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 7:15:23 AM UTC-7, sf wrote:

>
> Thanks. We tried full on primal a few months ago, but he lost too
>
> much weight and was starving all the time. He needs some carbs
>
> (resistant starches) to not be so hungry all the time and apparently
>
> adding more fat isn't good for him as evidenced by this gout attack.



Did you do Mark Sisson's plan?
There's no way you could be hungry......
If you did the 21 day challence, might be a better test of Primal.

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Tue, 1 Jul 2014 22:27:43 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> > sf wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Does anyone have a good site for gout friendly recipes? He's not
>>> >> overweight and doesn't drink, so I don't need to hear about that.
>>> >
>>> > Any diet without meat, cheese, or eggs
>>> > should be fine. Any fruit, any vegetables,
>>> > bread, pasta, butter, and cream are all fine.
>>>
>>> Not quite but close. Some veggies are bad. Like mushrooms and spinach.
>>> The only problem with that is that it would be pretty carby.
>>>
>>> If it were me, I would make a big batch of Spanish rice but use a lot of
>>> veggies like onions, tomatoes and peppers to help lower the carb count.
>>> Could probably get away with some celery in there too. I would add
>>> beans
>>> for protein.
>>
>> Rice won't work if it's white rice (diabetes controlled by diet) and
>> according to goutpal.com, it's okay to eat vegetables even when
>> they're high in purines because the human body doesn't metabolize
>> vegetable purines the same way it metabolizes animal purines. I can
>> only say he never reacts to the purines in mushrooms or spinach.
>>>
>>> I would also do something like a pasta salad with beans in it and tons
>>> of
>>> cut up raw veggies to help keep the carb count down.
>>>
>> He hates that stuff.
>>
>>> Or a vegetable soup with beans and perhaps just a little rice or pasta
>>> in
>>> it.
>>>
>>> Husband eats a lot of fruit and hummus when his is flaring. Not at the
>>> same
>>> time. Hummus is eaten with baby carrots.
>>
>> Hubby doesn't eat much fruit these days (although he plows through
>> strawberries) because of his blood sugar issues + he hates cherries
>> and won't drink cherry juice either.
>
> From the lists I have seen about what NOT to eat, there doesn't seem to be
> much left( What can he eat?

That's the problem. In the first place, the very foods that people with
gout tend to love are the foods they can't eat. My FIL was an exception
because if given his 'druthers, he would have eaten vegetarian. I think he
only ate meat because he didn't cook and just ate what was prepared for him.
And that was sometimes meat. At least at home. But he often ate at other
relative's houses and they cooked a lot of meat.

But if you have other medical conditions like sf's husband does, it makes
things hard.

My husband isn't overly fond of pasta salad either. But he will eat it. I
just have to make sure that when I do make it, there isn't fridge full of
other food. So it's like... This is dinner! See? It's all that we have.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 2 Jul 2014 11:11:59 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>> From the lists I have seen about what NOT to eat, there doesn't seem to
>> be
>> much left( What can he eat?
>
> That's how we feel too. Those pills are horrible on your liver &
> kidneys, so he's going the control by diet route until he simply can't
> do it anymore. So, what works is trial and error and a bad reaction
> is often not immediate, so then we have to work backward and analyze
> what was eaten in the last few days. Was it something new? Was it a
> lot more than usual of something that doesn't normally bother him when
> he eats it from time to time?
>
> The only good thing about this is when I cook for one problem, I'm
> automatically working on the others too. Most of the time, I
> concentrate on the diabetic issue - but I've completely cut out
> cooking shellfish at home because of gout and he doesn't want to go
> through the pain of narrowing it down to pinpoint which bother him and
> which don't. I don't even bother using products like fake crab, which
> is crab flavored chunks of fish, because it often uses real crab for
> the flavoring. So he is stuck tasting from my plate when we eat in
> restaurants and I order something from his no-no list.
>
I don't have gout but I do take tart cherry pills. I get them from Swanson
vitamins online. Not sure if they can be had in a brick and mortar store.
You could try a health food store. Or maybe Whole Foods has them. Same
benefit as drinking the juice.

I do suspect that one of my husband's triggers is seafood. I say this
because... I heard him mention to my mom how they get the freshest seafood
at work. They are right on the water in Seattle and they have a chef who
cooks for them. So when I heard this, I commented, "You haven't been eating
a lot of seafood at work, have you?" And when he asked why, I then
mentioned your husband. No names. Just said that someone I talk to online
said that seafood was a big trigger for her husband. He just sort of went
silent after that and I never did get the answer. But since that last
horrible bout of it where we thought he might need an operation to scrape
the bones clean, he has only had one little one. That one wasn't bad and he
was over it in a few days.

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Wed, 2 Jul 2014 11:11:59 +0100, "Ophelia"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> From the lists I have seen about what NOT to eat, there doesn't seem to
>>> be
>>> much left( What can he eat?
>>
>> That's how we feel too. Those pills are horrible on your liver &
>> kidneys, so he's going the control by diet route until he simply can't
>> do it anymore. So, what works is trial and error and a bad reaction
>> is often not immediate, so then we have to work backward and analyze
>> what was eaten in the last few days. Was it something new? Was it a
>> lot more than usual of something that doesn't normally bother him when
>> he eats it from time to time?
>>
>> The only good thing about this is when I cook for one problem, I'm
>> automatically working on the others too. Most of the time, I
>> concentrate on the diabetic issue - but I've completely cut out
>> cooking shellfish at home because of gout and he doesn't want to go
>> through the pain of narrowing it down to pinpoint which bother him and
>> which don't. I don't even bother using products like fake crab, which
>> is crab flavored chunks of fish, because it often uses real crab for
>> the flavoring. So he is stuck tasting from my plate when we eat in
>> restaurants and I order something from his no-no list.
>
> You both have my commiserations He is lucky you are working so hard to
> keep him off his pills and give him food he can enjoy; although I cannot
> imagine what that could possibly be

I find when you have medical problems that involve food, it's just best for
forget about things you used to like and instead, concentrate on things that
you don't hate and just eat those things. Not everyone can do that though.
I know far too many people who eat what they shouldn't. And then I have to
hear afterwards about how sick they got or how much pain they are in. And
of course they expect sympathy.

That's not me. Of course I may make a mistake now and then. I might get
something in a restaurant or not do a good job of reading a label and eat
something that makes me sick. I may even go all bogeybarts once in a while
and eat a fist-full of Swedish fish or Twizzlers or something carby that I
know I shouldn't and then suffer from high blood sugar. Nobody is perfect.

But most of the time, I just try to make sure that I am eating a balanced
diet and not eating things that will sicken me. I also don't sit around
pining for Reeses Peanut Butter Cups or Nachos or tuna salad or any of the
other things that would make me sick. But I will look at recipes and try to
some up with something that is similar. I do have a recipe for vegan judge
with peanut butter in it. I can make nachos with beans instead of cheese or
even put a small amount of vegan cheese on them. The vegan cheese is mainly
for eye appeal as the taste just isn't the same. I have not yet come up
with the tuna salad. I have found vegan recipes using walnuts that profess
to taste the same. But IIRRC they call for some weird ingredients that I
don't have.

"koko" > wrote in message
news
> On Wed, 02 Jul 2014 07:15:23 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 1 Jul 2014 11:56:40 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 11:36:53 AM UTC-7, sf wrote:
>>>
>>> A Primal/Paleo diet has proven to be actually good for gout sufferers.
>>>
>>> Here's a great article. I had a couple of bouts with gout before I
>>> went Primal. Nothing, nada, nary a drop since.
>>>
>>> http://www.marksdailyapple.com/gout-...#axzz36FE874GT
>>
>>Thanks. We tried full on primal a few months ago, but he lost too
>>much weight and was starving all the time. He needs some carbs
>>(resistant starches) to not be so hungry all the time and apparently
>>adding more fat isn't good for him as evidenced by this gout attack.
>
> Starving all the time? I don't know what primal/paleo diet he went on,
> but I've never_ever_been starving or even hungry it.
> It's not a high fat plan, the meats you eat should be lean. There's
> always chicken and fish too.
>
> I don't have his dietary limitations, diabetic, heart and gout? but
> the plan sounds perfect for those conditions.
> I wish him well, this makes me realize how truly blessed I am.

I would be starving all the time on a diet like that. I simply don't like
most meats and I can't eat much protein at all.

On Wed, 2 Jul 2014 15:34:32 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> I don't have gout but I do take tart cherry pills. I get them from Swanson
> vitamins online. Not sure if they can be had in a brick and mortar store.
> You could try a health food store. Or maybe Whole Foods has them. Same
> benefit as drinking the juice.

That's good to know, I didn't even realize tart cherry pills existed.
Thanks. Maybe he'll be more willing to try that and see how it goes.
>
> I do suspect that one of my husband's triggers is seafood. I say this
> because... I heard him mention to my mom how they get the freshest seafood
> at work. They are right on the water in Seattle and they have a chef who
> cooks for them. So when I heard this, I commented, "You haven't been eating
> a lot of seafood at work, have you?" And when he asked why, I then
> mentioned your husband. No names. Just said that someone I talk to online
> said that seafood was a big trigger for her husband. He just sort of went
> silent after that and I never did get the answer. But since that last
> horrible bout of it where we thought he might need an operation to scrape
> the bones clean, he has only had one little one. That one wasn't bad and he
> was over it in a few days.

All's well that ends well!

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"koko" > wrote in message
news
> On Wed, 02 Jul 2014 07:15:23 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 1 Jul 2014 11:56:40 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 11:36:53 AM UTC-7, sf wrote:
>>>
>>> A Primal/Paleo diet has proven to be actually good for gout sufferers.
>>>
>>> Here's a great article. I had a couple of bouts with gout before I
>>> went Primal. Nothing, nada, nary a drop since.
>>>
>>> http://www.marksdailyapple.com/gout-...#axzz36FE874GT
>>
>>Thanks. We tried full on primal a few months ago, but he lost too
>>much weight and was starving all the time. He needs some carbs
>>(resistant starches) to not be so hungry all the time and apparently
>>adding more fat isn't good for him as evidenced by this gout attack.
>
> Starving all the time? I don't know what primal/paleo diet he went on,
> but I've never_ever_been starving or even hungry it.
> It's not a high fat plan, the meats you eat should be lean. There's
> always chicken and fish too.

Share yours please?



>
> I don't have his dietary limitations, diabetic, heart and gout? but
> the plan sounds perfect for those conditions.
> I wish him well, this makes me realize how truly blessed I am.
>
> koko
>

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On Thu, 3 Jul 2014 10:59:39 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>
>
>"koko" > wrote in message
>news
>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2014 07:15:23 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 1 Jul 2014 11:56:40 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 11:36:53 AM UTC-7, sf wrote:
>>>>
>>>> A Primal/Paleo diet has proven to be actually good for gout sufferers.
>>>>
>>>> Here's a great article. I had a couple of bouts with gout before I
>>>> went Primal. Nothing, nada, nary a drop since.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.marksdailyapple.com/gout-...#axzz36FE874GT
>>>
>>>Thanks. We tried full on primal a few months ago, but he lost too
>>>much weight and was starving all the time. He needs some carbs
>>>(resistant starches) to not be so hungry all the time and apparently
>>>adding more fat isn't good for him as evidenced by this gout attack.
>>
>> Starving all the time? I don't know what primal/paleo diet he went on,
>> but I've never_ever_been starving or even hungry it.
>> It's not a high fat plan, the meats you eat should be lean. There's
>> always chicken and fish too.
>
>Share yours please?

These are the guidelines I use, along with my own common sense, and
how I feel.


http://thepaleodiet.com/

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/#axzz36POVngCA

koko