"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 1 Jul 2014 23:21:12 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Tue, 01 Jul 2014 18:22:58 -0500, "Pete C." >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> sf wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > On Tue, 01 Jul 2014 17:01:39 -0500, "Pete C." >
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > James Silverton wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > I wonder what fundamentalists do when they are young. Statistics
>> >> > > > seem to
>> >> > > > show that Catholics use birth control at about the same rate as
>> >> > > > the
>> >> > > > general population. Are bishops deaf, dumb and stupid as well as
>> >> > > > venal?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > That's a good question, and a bit more searching seems to indicate
>> >> > > that
>> >> > > HL does indeed cover some contraceptives, and their issue is
>> >> > > specifically with Plan B and similar.
>> >> >
>> >> > It's the morning after pill and similar types of birth control that
>> >> > they won't fund. Unfortunately, as far as the morning after pill -
>> >> > that means rape victims will be raped twice: once by the rapist and
>> >> > again by her employer.
>> >>
>> >> Not funding does not equate prohibiting an employee from obtaining.
>> >> People without insurance can and do buy Plan B and similar emergency
>> >> contraceptives.
>> >
>> > The newest proposal is to make mainstream birth control an OTC
>> > medication and I can't argue with that POV.
>>
>> I can! That's not something everyone should take. I personally would
>> never
>> take the pill. Messing with hormones like that is not good, IMO. Still,
>> some people do need them. Not necessarily for birth control but other
>> reasons.
>
> Should they remove aspirin from the shelves just because some people
> get a bad reaction when they take it?

That's not the same thing at all. AFAIK, aspirin is not a hormone. Anyone
can have a bad reaction to anything. But there is a reason why birth
control pills are a prescription item. You need to be on the right kind and
the right dose for you. I know several women who got pregnant while on
them. They were not prescribed to them to prevent pregnancy to but help
with heavy and/or non-existent periods. These women just assumed they would
keep them from getting pregnant because they *were* birth control pills.
But the dose wasn't strong enough for that. Just imagine how many girls and
young women would just go buy something willy nilly if they were OTC? And
then get pregnant because the dose wasn't right.

"Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 02 Jul 2014 07:52:18 -0300, wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 01 Jul 2014 22:08:36 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>The newest proposal is to make mainstream birth control an OTC
>>>medication and I can't argue with that POV.
>>
>>Seems a bit risky as there are many women who are unable to take pills
>>for a variety of reasons, better they remain on prescription. What
>>would they do about all the other methods such as IUDs or capsules
>>under the skin for long term control ?
>
> Doesn't that apply to many OTC available today? When I first took
> Claritin many years ago the doctor warned me it was a strong drug and
> to watch for side effects. Now claritin is OTC (and considerably less
> costly) Presumably the potential side effects are still there.
> Janet US

Not the same at all, IMO. Birth control messes with your hormones and you
need to be monitored while on it.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Janet Bostwick wrote:
>>
>> When I first took
>> Claritin many years ago the doctor warned me it was a strong drug and
>> to watch for side effects. Now claritin is OTC (and considerably less
>> costly) Presumably the potential side effects are still there.
>
> What side effects? I tried a bottle once with no side effects. When I
> use an allergy drug, it's usually the generic brand of Allegra.

Claritin didn't do a freaking thing for me. Except make me sleepy. Allegra
caused sinus and ear infections and made me sleepy. Zyrtec gave me head to
toe hives and made me sleepy.

"James Silverton" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/2/2014 9:04 AM, wrote:
>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2014 06:53:16 -0600, Janet Bostwick
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2014 07:52:18 -0300, wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 01 Jul 2014 22:08:36 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The newest proposal is to make mainstream birth control an OTC
>>>>> medication and I can't argue with that POV.
>>>>
>>>> Seems a bit risky as there are many women who are unable to take pills
>>>> for a variety of reasons, better they remain on prescription. What
>>>> would they do about all the other methods such as IUDs or capsules
>>>> under the skin for long term control ?
>>>
>>> Doesn't that apply to many OTC available today? When I first took
>>> Claritin many years ago the doctor warned me it was a strong drug and
>>> to watch for side effects. Now claritin is OTC (and considerably less
>>> costly) Presumably the potential side effects are still there.
>>> Janet US
>>
>> I was thinking mainly, in the case of birth control pills, strokes in
>> young women. Not a nice thing to happen. If the doctor prescribes,
>> he/she knows all your other risks that would indicate some other
>> method is better for you.
>>
> According to a letter in today's Washington Post, the use of birth control
> pills can *lessen* the risk of ovarian cancer. I haven't had time yet to
> check this out.

I don't know about that but blood clots are a big risk. Especially if you
smoke and they are not advised if you are over 40.

I do know of a woman who had multiple strokes from birth control. Yaz,
specifically. She is young. And now she rarely leaves the house because she
is embarrassed about how she is today. Plus she doesn't handle interaction
with people well. Confuses what is left of her brain.

You could not pay me to use those pills. Not that I need them now but when
I was younger, I never considered them.

On 7/2/2014 8:05 AM, sf wrote:

>>
>> I can! That's not something everyone should take. I personally would never
>> take the pill. Messing with hormones like that is not good, IMO. Still,
>> some people do need them. Not necessarily for birth control but other
>> reasons.
>
> Should they remove aspirin from the shelves just because some people
> get a bad reaction when they take it?
>

Does not seem to be a good comparison. Any medication can cause
complications but the present pill could cause a lot of 14 year olds to
have blood clots. Maybe once it is made safer.

On 7/2/2014 3:16 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>
> I don't know about that but blood clots are a big risk. Especially if
> you smoke and they are not advised if you are over 40.
>
> I do know of a woman who had multiple strokes from birth control. Yaz,
> specifically. She is young. And now she rarely leaves the house because
> she is embarrassed about how she is today. Plus she doesn't handle
> interaction with people well. Confuses what is left of her brain.
>
> You could not pay me to use those pills. Not that I need them now but
> when I was younger, I never considered them.

My guess is that pregnancy poses a greater risk for a woman than any
little ole pill. It may cause a chronic condition that pretty much takes
over your life for 18 to 24 years. Of course, this assumes that you
survive the pregnancy. Our last pregnancy nearly killed my wife.

On 7/2/2014 8:53 AM, Janet Bostwick wrote:

>
> Doesn't that apply to many OTC available today? When I first took
> Claritin many years ago the doctor warned me it was a strong drug and
> to watch for side effects. Now claritin is OTC (and considerably less
> costly) Presumably the potential side effects are still there.
> Janet US
>

Often the OTC is a lesser strength.

On 7/2/2014 9:32 AM, Gary wrote:
> Janet Bostwick wrote:
>>
>> When I first took
>> Claritin many years ago the doctor warned me it was a strong drug and
>> to watch for side effects. Now claritin is OTC (and considerably less
>> costly) Presumably the potential side effects are still there.
>
> What side effects? I tried a bottle once with no side effects. When I
> use an allergy drug, it's usually the generic brand of Allegra.
>
> G.
>

Good that it did not affect you, but every medication has potential side
affects, even death in rare cases.

Allegra side effects
Get emergency medical help if you have any of these signs of an allergic
reaction: hives; difficulty breathing; swelling of your face, lips,
tongue, or throat.

Stop taking fexofenadine and call your doctor if you have fever, chills,
body aches, cough, or other flu symptoms.

Less serious side effects may include:

nausea, diarrhea, upset stomach;
menstrual cramps;
drowsiness, tired feeling;
headache; or
muscle or back pain.
This is not a complete list of side effects and others may occur. Call
your doctor for medical advice about side effects. You may report side
effects to FDA at 1-800-FDA-1088.

"Pete C." > wrote in message
om...
>
> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> On 2014-07-02 8:53 AM, Janet Bostwick wrote:
>>
>> > Doesn't that apply to many OTC available today? When I first took
>> > Claritin many years ago the doctor warned me it was a strong drug and
>> > to watch for side effects. Now claritin is OTC (and considerably less
>> > costly) Presumably the potential side effects are still there.
>> >
>>
>> My wife has bad allergies and used to get prescription antihistamines.
>> After a few years they would become available OTC and no longer covered
>> by her plan.
>
> Find a good allergist and get immunotherapy, no drugs, no side effects,
> just total relief for 90%+ of patients and after a few years of
> treatment it's usually permanent relief. Most insurance covers it too.

Beg to differ on that. Tried it for the better part of the year. Had to
stick around for about an hour to make sure that the swelling didn't get too
bad. It was bad. It was itchy. But not bad enough to require the
Epinephrine. My mom's friend's husband did have to have that though.

With each shot, my allergies grew so severe, I couldn't stand it. They
would finally calm back down a day or two before I was due for the next
shot. The shots made me suffer so that I eventually opted to go without.
My allergies were actually a lot better without the shots and the Dr. told
me there was no guarantee that they would eventually help me at all.

On 7/2/2014 10:07 AM, Gary wrote:

>
> You don't need your insurance plan to buy OTC drugs. they are cheap
> enough.
>
> G.
>

One of my wife's prescriptions had a $10 co-pay and when the OTC became
available it went to $29.

"Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 01 Jul 2014 22:09:31 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 01 Jul 2014 19:10:24 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>>
> snip
>>>
>>>
>>> When they are young they sow their wild oats. They drink and do drugs in
>>> excess. After they get bored with that they turn their need for excess
>>> to religion. The fundie "christians" and the Catholics get a kick out
>>> of sin.
>>
>>I believe that statement.
>
> I don't. There are people who are drawn to gossip, spreading
> scandal, and messing about in other people's lives. These people
> observe and speculate on the lives of others all the time. Some of
> them are drawn to particular religious groups because it gives them an
> outlet for controlling others. I do believe that the past of these
> people does not bear scrutiny.
> Janet US

That could be too but the Catholics in particular I have found to be big
into sin and guilt. Other religions? Not so much.

On 7/2/2014 8:05 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Alan Holbrook" > wrote in message
> . 30...

>> You want free birth control? Hang a picture of Nancy Pelosi in your
>> bedroom.
>
> Well, thank you for that! I just looked up her image as I didn't know
> who she was. I was going to eat soon. Was...

That's absurd, Julie! First because I can't believe you don't know who
Nancy Pelosi is. Second Nancy Pelosi is an attractive woman who's been
photographed many times, frequently in some not-so-flattering poses.

--
DreadfulBitch

I'm a nobody, nobody is perfect, therefore I'm perfect.

On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 7:08:39 PM UTC-7, DreadfulBitch wrote:
> On 7/2/2014 8:05 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> >
>
> > "Alan Holbrook" > wrote in message
>
> > . 30...
>
>
>
> >> You want free birth control? Hang a picture of Nancy Pelosi in your
>
> >> bedroom.
>
> >
>
> > Well, thank you for that! I just looked up her image as I didn't know
>
> > who she was. I was going to eat soon. Was...
>
>
>
> That's absurd, Julie! First because I can't believe you don't know who
>
> Nancy Pelosi is. Second Nancy Pelosi is an attractive woman who's been
>
> photographed many times, frequently in some not-so-flattering poses.
>
>
>
> --
>
> DreadfulBitch
>
>
>
> I'm a nobody, nobody is perfect, therefore I'm perfect.



Shocking, isn't it?

Nellie

On Wed, 02 Jul 2014 15:30:59 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:

> On 7/2/2014 3:16 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >
> >
> > I don't know about that but blood clots are a big risk. Especially if
> > you smoke and they are not advised if you are over 40.
> >
> > I do know of a woman who had multiple strokes from birth control. Yaz,
> > specifically. She is young. And now she rarely leaves the house because
> > she is embarrassed about how she is today. Plus she doesn't handle
> > interaction with people well. Confuses what is left of her brain.
> >
> > You could not pay me to use those pills. Not that I need them now but
> > when I was younger, I never considered them.
>
> My guess is that pregnancy poses a greater risk for a woman than any
> little ole pill. It may cause a chronic condition that pretty much takes
> over your life for 18 to 24 years. Of course, this assumes that you
> survive the pregnancy. Our last pregnancy nearly killed my wife.

I almost died from one too.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

On Wed, 02 Jul 2014 21:08:39 -0500, DreadfulBitch
> wrote:

> On 7/2/2014 8:05 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >
> > "Alan Holbrook" > wrote in message
> > . 30...
>
> >> You want free birth control? Hang a picture of Nancy Pelosi in your
> >> bedroom.
> >
> > Well, thank you for that! I just looked up her image as I didn't know
> > who she was. I was going to eat soon. Was...
>
> That's absurd, Julie! First because I can't believe you don't know who
> Nancy Pelosi is. Second Nancy Pelosi is an attractive woman who's been
> photographed many times, frequently in some not-so-flattering poses.

Agree.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

On Wed, 2 Jul 2014 18:13:53 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Gary" > wrote in message ...
>> Janet Bostwick wrote:
>>>
>>> When I first took
>>> Claritin many years ago the doctor warned me it was a strong drug and
>>> to watch for side effects. Now claritin is OTC (and considerably less
>>> costly) Presumably the potential side effects are still there.
>>
>> What side effects? I tried a bottle once with no side effects. When I
>> use an allergy drug, it's usually the generic brand of Allegra.
>
>Claritin didn't do a freaking thing for me. Except make me sleepy. Allegra
>caused sinus and ear infections and made me sleepy. Zyrtec gave me head to
>toe hives and made me sleepy.

i don't care, this isn't about your reaction to allergy drugs.
Claritin was mentioned as an example of current OTC drugs.
Janet US

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/2/2014 10:07 AM, Gary wrote:
>
>>
>> You don't need your insurance plan to buy OTC drugs. they are cheap
>> enough.
>>
>> G.
>>
>
> One of my wife's prescriptions had a $10 co-pay and when the OTC became
> available it went to $29.

Yes, when they put things like Prevacid OTC, the price is high like $25.00
for a month supply, then the insurance company doesn't pay at all and the
patient pays full price. Nothing cheap about it comparaed to when covered by
insurance.

Cheri

On 7/2/2014 4:56 PM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Jul 2014 15:30:59 -1000, dsi1
>
>> My guess is that pregnancy poses a greater risk for a woman than any
>> little ole pill. It may cause a chronic condition that pretty much takes
>> over your life for 18 to 24 years. Of course, this assumes that you
>> survive the pregnancy. Our last pregnancy nearly killed my wife.
>
> I almost died from one too.
>
My wife was sick for most of the first trimester. She couldn't eat a
thing and she lived on a white fluid pumped into her arm. She wore a
monitor and we uploaded the data to a place in Texas daily. It was
really touch and go for a while. When it was over, we knew we were
through with making babies. No matter, our daughter was born healthy -
and that's when our troubles really began. :-)

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/2/2014 4:56 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2014 15:30:59 -1000, dsi1
>>
>>> My guess is that pregnancy poses a greater risk for a woman than any
>>> little ole pill. It may cause a chronic condition that pretty much takes
>>> over your life for 18 to 24 years. Of course, this assumes that you
>>> survive the pregnancy. Our last pregnancy nearly killed my wife.
>>
>> I almost died from one too.
>>
> My wife was sick for most of the first trimester. She couldn't eat a thing
> and she lived on a white fluid pumped into her arm. She wore a monitor and
> we uploaded the data to a place in Texas daily. It was really touch and go
> for a while. When it was over, we knew we were through with making babies.
> No matter, our daughter was born healthy - and that's when our troubles
> really began. :-)

I nearly died in childbirth. I had gone into pre-eclampsia a day before my
due date. BP went sky high during the birthing. And I had a high risk
pregnancy due to my age and gestational diabetes. So that's why I only ever
had one.

In article >,
says...
>
> On Wed, 02 Jul 2014 14:52:22 -0500, Mark Storkamp
> > wrote:
>
> > Why is birth control free with no co-pay or deductible?
>
> It is?

It is in the UK. 15 contraceptive methods all available free from the
NHS, education and confidential advice services everywhere.

Janet UK

In article >, says...
>
> "Alan Holbrook" > wrote in message

> > You want free birth control? Hang a picture of Nancy Pelosi in your
> > bedroom.
>
> Well, thank you for that! I just looked up her image as I didn't know who
> she was.


Unbelievable. To be read by anyone who still doesn't grasp Julie is a
troll.

Janet UK

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> On 7/2/2014 9:32 AM, Gary wrote:
> > Janet Bostwick wrote:
> >>
> >> When I first took
> >> Claritin many years ago the doctor warned me it was a strong drug and
> >> to watch for side effects. Now claritin is OTC (and considerably less
> >> costly) Presumably the potential side effects are still there.
> >
> > What side effects? I tried a bottle once with no side effects. When I
> > use an allergy drug, it's usually the generic brand of Allegra.
> >
> > G.
> >
>
> Good that it did not affect you, but every medication has potential side
> affects, even death in rare cases.
>
> Allegra side effects

<snip> Thanks Ed. I guess I could have read the warning signs on the
box that I have. I was just wondering if anyone here had specific
side effects. I avoid all medications when possible and whenever I
try a new one (new for me), I always start out with half-doses to
begin with.

G.

dsi1 wrote:
>
> No matter, our daughter was born healthy -
> and that's when our troubles really began. :-)

Daughters are great. Most times the real trouble begins once they
leave elementary school and start into the teen years. oh man!

"Janet" > wrote in message
t...
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2014 14:52:22 -0500, Mark Storkamp
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > Why is birth control free with no co-pay or deductible?
>>
>> It is?
>
> It is in the UK. 15 contraceptive methods all available free from the
> NHS, education and confidential advice services everywhere.

It's not usually free here.

"Janet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, says...
>>
>> "Alan Holbrook" > wrote in message
>
>> > You want free birth control? Hang a picture of Nancy Pelosi in your
>> > bedroom.
>>
>> Well, thank you for that! I just looked up her image as I didn't know
>> who
>> she was.
>
>
> Unbelievable. To be read by anyone who still doesn't grasp Julie is a
> troll.

Why in the world would I know who she is? I don't do politics and this is
the first time I've heard her name.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> On 7/2/2014 9:32 AM, Gary wrote:
>> > Janet Bostwick wrote:
>> >>
>> >> When I first took
>> >> Claritin many years ago the doctor warned me it was a strong drug and
>> >> to watch for side effects. Now claritin is OTC (and considerably less
>> >> costly) Presumably the potential side effects are still there.
>> >
>> > What side effects? I tried a bottle once with no side effects. When I
>> > use an allergy drug, it's usually the generic brand of Allegra.
>> >
>> > G.
>> >
>>
>> Good that it did not affect you, but every medication has potential side
>> affects, even death in rare cases.
>>
>> Allegra side effects
>
> <snip> Thanks Ed. I guess I could have read the warning signs on the
> box that I have. I was just wondering if anyone here had specific
> side effects. I avoid all medications when possible and whenever I
> try a new one (new for me), I always start out with half-doses to
> begin with.

I did. Ear and sinus infections plus sleepiness.

wrote:
>
> On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 07:57:17 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
> >dsi1 wrote:
> >>
> >> No matter, our daughter was born healthy -
> >> and that's when our troubles really began. :-)
> >
> >Daughters are great. Most times the real trouble begins once they
> >leave elementary school and start into the teen years. oh man!
>
> Are you suggesting that teen boys are somehow less trouble ?

LOL! They probably are but I was just speaking from my own
experience. :-D

Gary wrote:
>
> wrote:
> >
> > Are you suggesting that teen boys are somehow less trouble ?
>
> LOL! They probably are but I was just speaking from my own
> experience. :-D

I meant that they probably are equally as much trouble as teen girls.

In article >, says...
>
> "Janet" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >, says...
> >>
> >> "Alan Holbrook" > wrote in message
> >
> >> > You want free birth control? Hang a picture of Nancy Pelosi in your
> >> > bedroom.
> >>
> >> Well, thank you for that! I just looked up her image as I didn't know
> >> who
> >> she was.
> >
> >
> > Unbelievable. To be read by anyone who still doesn't grasp Julie is a
> > troll.
>
> Why in the world would I know who she is? I don't do politics and this is
> the first time I've heard her name.

You're an idiot.

Janet UK

On 2014-07-03 7:54 AM, Gary wrote:

>
> <snip> Thanks Ed. I guess I could have read the warning signs on the
> box that I have. I was just wondering if anyone here had specific
> side effects. I avoid all medications when possible and whenever I
> try a new one (new for me), I always start out with half-doses to
> begin with.
>

I have a number of allergy issues, most of which are somewhat seasonal.
I take (generic) Benedryl for them, but I only take them at night. They
make me very tired and I sleep an extra hour or two in the morning, and
I feel groggy when I eventually get up. My son does not like to take
antihistamines because of the drowsiness, and the no doze variety have
stimulants to counteract the drowsiness.

On 2014-07-03 8:54 AM, wrote:

>> LOL! They probably are but I was just speaking from my own
>> experience. :-D
>
> Well I had both and have to say girls weren't good but boys had a
> tendency to do incredibly dangerous, stupid things. It's amazing any
> of them make it past puberty!


That is true of many of us. It is indeed a wonder that some of us made
it through childhood. Some of us did not. I lost two very close friends
within 4 months of each other when I was 15, one in a motorcycle
accident and the other in a car accident. My parents cut us a lot of
slack when we were kids and encouraged our independence. We would set of
on hikes or bicycle hikes and get into all sorts of things.

Firecrackers were a favourite toy. We were the generation that got them
banned here. We used to make forts in the woods and would attack each
others forts. A steel pipe with ball bearings and a 6" canon
firecracker made a pretty awesome artillery piece.

On 2014-07-03 9:04 AM, Janet wrote:

>>>
>>> Unbelievable. To be read by anyone who still doesn't grasp Julie is a
>>> troll.
>>
>> Why in the world would I know who she is? I don't do politics and this is
>> the first time I've heard her name.
>
> You're an idiot.
>
>

Yep. I am glad to see that people are catching on to her. Some still
treat her as if she was normal.

On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 09:28:43 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2014-07-03 7:54 AM, Gary wrote:
>
>>
>> <snip> Thanks Ed. I guess I could have read the warning signs on the
>> box that I have. I was just wondering if anyone here had specific
>> side effects. I avoid all medications when possible and whenever I
>> try a new one (new for me), I always start out with half-doses to
>> begin with.
>>
>
>I have a number of allergy issues, most of which are somewhat seasonal.
>I take (generic) Benedryl for them, but I only take them at night. They
>make me very tired and I sleep an extra hour or two in the morning, and
>I feel groggy when I eventually get up. My son does not like to take
>antihistamines because of the drowsiness, and the no doze variety have
>stimulants to counteract the drowsiness.

my dog takes generic Benedryl a couple time a day upon vet's
recommendation.
Janet US

On 2014-07-03 10:03 AM, Janet Bostwick wrote:

>> I have a number of allergy issues, most of which are somewhat seasonal.
>> I take (generic) Benedryl for them, but I only take them at night. They
>> make me very tired and I sleep an extra hour or two in the morning, and
>> I feel groggy when I eventually get up. My son does not like to take
>> antihistamines because of the drowsiness, and the no doze variety have
>> stimulants to counteract the drowsiness.
>
> my dog takes generic Benedryl a couple time a day upon vet's
> recommendation.
>
Mine too. He has allergies that cause skin problems. I have saved a
bundle thins year by giving him people Benedryl instead of the
veterinary antihistamines that look exactly the same but cost about 10
times as much. Wow, have they ever slowed him down.

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> On 2014-07-03 7:54 AM, Gary wrote:
>
> >
> > <snip> Thanks Ed. I guess I could have read the warning signs on the
> > box that I have. I was just wondering if anyone here had specific
> > side effects. I avoid all medications when possible and whenever I
> > try a new one (new for me), I always start out with half-doses to
> > begin with.
> >
>
> I have a number of allergy issues, most of which are somewhat seasonal.
> I take (generic) Benedryl for them, but I only take them at night. They
> make me very tired and I sleep an extra hour or two in the morning, and
> I feel groggy when I eventually get up. My son does not like to take
> antihistamines because of the drowsiness, and the no doze variety have
> stimulants to counteract the drowsiness.

Benedryl causes no drowsiness for me, even at higher than recommended
doses (can't OD on antihistamines anyway), someone else I know is the
same way, the Benedryl works fine on the allergy, but has no apparent
side effects.

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Pete C." > wrote in message
> om...
> >
> > Dave Smith wrote:
> >>
> >> On 2014-07-02 8:53 AM, Janet Bostwick wrote:
> >>
> >> > Doesn't that apply to many OTC available today? When I first took
> >> > Claritin many years ago the doctor warned me it was a strong drug and
> >> > to watch for side effects. Now claritin is OTC (and considerably less
> >> > costly) Presumably the potential side effects are still there.
> >> >
> >>
> >> My wife has bad allergies and used to get prescription antihistamines.
> >> After a few years they would become available OTC and no longer covered
> >> by her plan.
> >
> > Find a good allergist and get immunotherapy, no drugs, no side effects,
> > just total relief for 90%+ of patients and after a few years of
> > treatment it's usually permanent relief. Most insurance covers it too.
>
> Beg to differ on that. Tried it for the better part of the year. Had to
> stick around for about an hour to make sure that the swelling didn't get too
> bad. It was bad. It was itchy. But not bad enough to require the
> Epinephrine. My mom's friend's husband did have to have that though.
>
> With each shot, my allergies grew so severe, I couldn't stand it. They
> would finally calm back down a day or two before I was due for the next
> shot. The shots made me suffer so that I eventually opted to go without.
> My allergies were actually a lot better without the shots and the Dr. told
> me there was no guarantee that they would eventually help me at all.

We already know you're not in the 90%+ that react "normally" to things.

Janet wrote:
>
> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > On Wed, 02 Jul 2014 14:52:22 -0500, Mark Storkamp
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > Why is birth control free with no co-pay or deductible?
> >
> > It is?
>
> It is in the UK. 15 contraceptive methods all available free from the
> NHS, education and confidential advice services everywhere.
>
> Janet UK

Unfortunately that leaves the native population declining while the
dregs of the third world you let in breed like cockroaches.

In article >,
says...
>
> Janet wrote:
> >
> > In article >,
> > says...
> > >
> > > On Wed, 02 Jul 2014 14:52:22 -0500, Mark Storkamp
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Why is birth control free with no co-pay or deductible?
> > >
> > > It is?
> >
> > It is in the UK. 15 contraceptive methods all available free from the
> > NHS, education and confidential advice services everywhere.
> >
> > Janet UK
>
> Unfortunately that leaves the native population declining

What "natives" would they be? Britain is and always has been, a nation
of enterprising immigrants.

while the
> dregs of the third world you let in breed like cockroaches.

When Britain's empire owned a third of the world we used to export
the dregs to America, and look how they turned out.

Janet UK

Janet wrote:
>
> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > Janet wrote:
> > >
> > > In article >,
> > > says...
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 02 Jul 2014 14:52:22 -0500, Mark Storkamp
> > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Why is birth control free with no co-pay or deductible?
> > > >
> > > > It is?
> > >
> > > It is in the UK. 15 contraceptive methods all available free from the
> > > NHS, education and confidential advice services everywhere.
> > >
> > > Janet UK
> >
> > Unfortunately that leaves the native population declining
>
> What "natives" would they be? Britain is and always has been, a nation
> of enterprising immigrants.
>
> while the
> > dregs of the third world you let in breed like cockroaches.
>
> When Britain's empire owned a third of the world we used to export
> the dregs to America, and look how they turned out.
>
> Janet UK

Keep laughing, I've been to the UK, I've seen the Cairo-esque slums
you've got there. The US is far, far better off than your imploded
empire.

On 7/2/2014 8:04 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>
> I nearly died in childbirth. I had gone into pre-eclampsia a day before
> my due date. BP went sky high during the birthing. And I had a high
> risk pregnancy due to my age and gestational diabetes. So that's why I
> only ever had one.

Being pregnant is scary and hazardous to your health. Nobody could fault
you for having only one child. Our first was pretty easy. The second was
a little harder. The third was the killer. That would have made any
couple stop having kids. Funny how it all turns out.