"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> Our windows are too large for a window unit so they would require putting
>> in
>> a board. All they'd have to do is pop the board out. Plus they need to
>> be
>> plugged in and there are no plugs near any of the windows.
>
> Please stop! >:-[]

Oh God yes!!!

Cheri

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> I know that window units can be installed through a wall but we don't
>> have
>> such a wall. Our walls are all taken up with windows and furniture.
>
> BS. You just said yesterday that all the middle rooms in your house
> have no windows.
>
> I think you've finally blown your troll cover with this ac thread.

Julie is not a troll, she just has no impulse control and keeps responding
to posts over and over and over saying the same things, instead of just
letting them go.

Cheri

On 7/9/2014 10:57 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> And you bring up another issue. There is no possible way now to put in
> a window unit now with the hardware cloth that has been installed over
> the outside screen.

WTF is "hardware cloth"?

Jill

On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 14:29:18 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 7/9/2014 10:57 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> > And you bring up another issue. There is no possible way now to put in
> > a window unit now with the hardware cloth that has been installed over
> > the outside screen.
>
> WTF is "hardware cloth"?
>

Like a screen, only the holes are larger and the wire is stronger.
http://td-cmk.ru/static/img/0000/000...cco2uddd.jpg?1

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 13:25:00 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> I know that window units can be installed through a wall but we don't have
>> such a wall. Our walls are all taken up with windows and furniture.
>
>Inconceivable. Enjoy your hot weather.

Most folks install thru wall units *under or above* a window so as not
to block the window view. Julie can always cool off by using ice
cubes as anal suppositories.

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 13:25:00 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>>Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> I know that window units can be installed through a wall but we don't
>>> have
>>> such a wall. Our walls are all taken up with windows and furniture.
>>
>>Inconceivable. Enjoy your hot weather.
>
> Most folks install thru wall units *under or above* a window so as not
> to block the window view. Julie can always cool off by using ice
> cubes as anal suppositories.

These windows come down low and go up high. Can not install above or below.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> I know that window units can be installed through a wall but we don't
>> have
>> such a wall. Our walls are all taken up with windows and furniture.
>
> BS. You just said yesterday that all the middle rooms in your house
> have no windows.
>
> I think you've finally blown your troll cover with this ac thread.

That's because there are no exterior walls! Dur!!!! I'm not a troll but
you are being damned stupid. This is about as bad as the mailbox thread.

You people should read some of the comments on this forum. These people
live in Seattle which has very similar weather to where I live. Now you can
see that it's not just me saying that AC isn't common here.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/washi...p-coolers.html

I did order a swamp cooler. It should arrive any time. It may or may not
work here. But at least I don't have the issue of having to vent it.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Gary" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> I know that window units can be installed through a wall but we don't
>>> have
>>> such a wall. Our walls are all taken up with windows and furniture.
>>
>> BS. You just said yesterday that all the middle rooms in your house
>> have no windows.
>>
>> I think you've finally blown your troll cover with this ac thread.
>
> Julie is not a troll, she just has no impulse control and keeps responding
> to posts over and over and over saying the same things, instead of just
> letting them go.

I do actually have impulse control. But when I feel that I am being
attacked over and over or being told that I am lying when I am not, I do
feel the need to defend myself. Perhaps I should just let it go. They'll
never believe and I know I'm right. That's all that really matters.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/9/2014 10:57 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> And you bring up another issue. There is no possible way now to put in
>> a window unit now with the hardware cloth that has been installed over
>> the outside screen.
>
> WTF is "hardware cloth"?

*sigh* It's a type of screen. Usually stronger than a typical window
screen and has slightly larger openings. Think somewhere in between a
window screen and chicken wire. We also had to put hardware cloth on the
animal traps that we used last summer because the raccoons could reach
inside and sneak the food out.

On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 16:18:59 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>
>
>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Wed, 9 Jul 2014 19:57:46 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>And you bring up another issue. There is no possible way now to put in a
>>>window unit now with the hardware cloth that has been installed over the
>>>outside screen.
>>
>> Yeah, righto. Why don't you just jump off a high building and improve
>> humanity?
>
>???

Sorry, I know you don't like it Just my black sense of humour which
doesnt always translate well into a text medium, it's not like I mean
it literally. Or if you mean why I said it at all, it's because
Julie's comment about some cloth making installing an air-con
impossible, is just ridiculous.

On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 14:33:16 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
>> On 7/9/2014 10:57 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> And you bring up another issue. There is no possible way now to put in
>>> a window unit now with the hardware cloth that has been installed over
>>> the outside screen.
>>
>> WTF is "hardware cloth"?
>
>*sigh* It's a type of screen. Usually stronger than a typical window
>screen and has slightly larger openings. Think somewhere in between a
>window screen and chicken wire. We also had to put hardware cloth on the
>animal traps that we used last summer because the raccoons could reach
>inside and sneak the food out.

Anyone with an ounce of sense would MOVE if such a home and location
actually existed IRL.

A house that can't have an air-con because it inexplicably precludes
the possibility of having an air-con... even if one would fit in a
window, you still can't have one because people will break in (LOL).
Can't have an open window because of thieves and cat-stealing
raccoons. Bizarre electrical wiring where you can't relocate light
switches, mail boxes that have lock problems that can't be
rectified... remarkable <G>

On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 13:25:00 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> I know that window units can be installed through a wall but we don't have
>> such a wall. Our walls are all taken up with windows and furniture.
>
>Inconceivable. Enjoy your hot weather.

Yep. No space anywhere for an small air-con in the wall... heh

On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 14:22:19 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 13:25:00 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>>Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I know that window units can be installed through a wall but we don't
>>>> have
>>>> such a wall. Our walls are all taken up with windows and furniture.
>>>
>>>Inconceivable. Enjoy your hot weather.
>>
>> Most folks install thru wall units *under or above* a window so as not
>> to block the window view. Julie can always cool off by using ice
>> cubes as anal suppositories.
>
>These windows come down low and go up high. Can not install above or below.

Aww...
I bet you can't fit one on either side of the window either!

On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 13:29:45 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> I know that window units can be installed through a wall but we don't have
>> such a wall. Our walls are all taken up with windows and furniture.
>
>BS. You just said yesterday that all the middle rooms in your house
>have no windows.
>
>I think you've finally blown your troll cover with this ac thread.

Finally?? I guess its becoming more blatant lately.

On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 10:34:19 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>"Gary" > wrote in message ...
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> I know that window units can be installed through a wall but we don't
>>> have
>>> such a wall. Our walls are all taken up with windows and furniture.
>>
>> BS. You just said yesterday that all the middle rooms in your house
>> have no windows.
>>
>> I think you've finally blown your troll cover with this ac thread.
>
>Julie is not a troll, she just has no impulse control and keeps responding
>to posts over and over and over saying the same things, instead of just
>letting them go.

I think it's more than that, with all due respect.
Surely you can see that Julie is inventing stuff as the various
discussions progress? Whether it is fully intentional trolling or
somehow done subconsciously, I'm still not entirely sure.

Either way, I don't believe it benefits anyone (including Julie, if
she isn't intentionally trolling) to indulge her.

On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 14:29:44 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Gary" > wrote in message ...
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> I know that window units can be installed through a wall but we don't
>>> have
>>> such a wall. Our walls are all taken up with windows and furniture.
>>
>> BS. You just said yesterday that all the middle rooms in your house
>> have no windows.
>>
>> I think you've finally blown your troll cover with this ac thread.
>
>That's because there are no exterior walls! Dur!!!!

Right. So what's holding your roof up, do you actually live in a tent
or what? How can you have no exterior walls???

>I'm not a troll but

Oh hell no... LOL

>you are being damned stupid. This is about as bad as the mailbox thread.

>You people should read some of the comments on this forum. These people
>live in Seattle which has very similar weather to where I live. Now you can
>see that it's not just me saying that AC isn't common here.

Who cares if it isn't common? What relevance is that?

>http://www.city-data.com/forum/washi...p-coolers.html
>
>I did order a swamp cooler. It should arrive any time. It may or may not
>work here.

You bought something which you don't know if it will work for you or
not. Wonderful.

Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Wed, 9 Jul 2014 20:30:32 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
> >
> > > That made no sense to me either. And I simply can't have a
> > > portable unit because I have no way to securely vent it outside.
> > > I can't do it out a window and can't think of a wall space where
> > > it could be done. Nor would I want to put a hole in my wall
> > > because as I said, most years it would never get used!
> >
> > Why are you disregarding the floor unit type? It is not dependent
> > on being in a window. My DD had one (similar to what Jill posted)
> > in the living room of an 800 square foot house. Your house is a
> > lot bigger with an open floor plan, so you have plenty of space to
> > find a place to put one somewhere.
>
> As I have said countless times. Those need to be vented outside.
> The usual way is to open a window and vent it out there. Not an
> option for me. You can't have a screen and/or hardware cloth over
> the window to do that. I also fail to see how that would work with
> the large windows that I have even if I were willing to do that. The
> window would still be open from nearly top to bottom and that would
> just let the hot air in.
>
> If you don't do that, you then have to cut a hole in the wall. I
> don't want a hole cut in my wall for something we might go for 2
> years without using at all.
>
> Our house is 1700 sq. ft.

Julie, They work fine through screens. Also whatever the cloth is you
put up. if air flows through, you vent it there just fine. You can pull
them out at night because they are not a permanent install.

We have 2 units like that. One has a home built extension and fits to
a patio door to hold the exaust vent, the other fits a standard small
window. When the HVAC died in 95F weather last year, we borrowed a
small window unit for the only window we had that could take one easily
(ours slide to the side but this one is a standard up and down and
secure location at the back of the house inside an 8ft fenced yard).

Running just one in the livingroom cut it to about 82F. Running all 3
with wise use of directional fans, cut the whole house to 78F even at
the worst of the day.

I'm 1,980 sqft here. I've since finished off the garage so am about
2,300 sqft but we haven't upgraded the HVAC yet to keep up with that so
use 2 portables for ancillary cooling on the hottest days.

May I suggest it's more functional to look to how to solve a problem
than why you cant solve it?
--

sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Wed, 9 Jul 2014 21:39:52 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> > "sf" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > On Wed, 9 Jul 2014 20:30:32 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> That made no sense to me either. And I simply can't have a
> > portable unit >> because I have no way to securely vent it outside.
> > I can't do it out a >> window and can't think of a wall space where
> > it could be done. Nor would >> I
> > >> want to put a hole in my wall because as I said, most years it
> > would >> never
> > >> get used!
> > >
> > > Why are you disregarding the floor unit type? It is not
> > > dependent on being in a window. My DD had one (similar to what
> > > Jill posted) in the living room of an 800 square foot house.
> > > Your house is a lot bigger with an open floor plan, so you have
> > > plenty of space to find a place to put one somewhere.
> >
> > As I have said countless times. Those need to be vented outside.
>
> They did NOT have it vented through a window and there was no hole in
> a wall. I think you need to do some research.


Umm, hate to say it but she's right this time unless there is something
new I haven't seen. Some also have to have a drain pan because they
dehumidify and may not have a feature to turn that off and a pan that
fills in a mere 2 hours then it stops working unless you have a drain
hose.

One of ours is like that but it was a non issue as we have it up on a
home built wood frame and in the sunroom with the patio door as the
vent space. We adapted a strip of paneling to a hole for the 'pee
vent' and another for the exaust. Thats way it fits fine in a patio
door. They probably sell kits for that but it was easier to just fix
it ourselves with things we had laying about.

The other one can have the dehumidifier aspect turned off so only needs
window space and not much space (could be used in a bathroom window for
example).

The 2 units add (If I remember right!) 18,000 BTUs cooling here. Alone
they can keep us sane. We do not need them both except in rare serious
heat times even now with the house extensions. With an HVAC outage,
they did enough for reasonable comfort last summer.

Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 7/9/2014 6:19 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> > >
> >>"Gary" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Julie Bove wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Doris Night" wrote:
> >>>>> Can you get those little window air conditioners where you
> live? > Where >>>>> I live in Ontario, it gets to about 85-90
> degrees at this time of the >>>>> summer, but we have a window unit
> in our bedroom, and it cools things >>>>> down quite nicely at night.
> I think they cost about $100.
> > > > >
> > > > > I wouldn't dare. I did have one. It didn't fit our windows.
> > > > > There is no
> > > > > real way to make the window secure with one of those units
> > > > > and our crime rate is high here. I also don't really have
> > > > > any way of venting a portable
> > > > > unit.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't think you can get any units for that price here. The
> > > > > one that I got
> > > > > 10 years ago was around $300 and it was a small one.
> > > >
> > > > Quit being so negative and just buy a small window unit, Julie.
> > > > It will fit your windows and that will vent it outside.
> > > > Only costs about $100. You still have about 2 more months of
> > > > hot, humid weather where you can't sleep at night and shop at
> > > > stores with ac when you could be staying in the comfort of your
> > > > own home.
> > > >
> > > > No high crime rate excuse either. A burgular will break into a
> > > > regular window or door before they break into the window with
> > > > an AC unit in it.
> > > >
> > > > Buy one! NO EXCUSE is valid for this problem, Julie. And since
> > > > you won't need it often where you live, this one time buy
> > > > should last you 20 years or so.
> > > >
> > > > G.
> > >
> > > For GOD'S sake! I HAD one! I bought it on Cape Cod. It fit
> > > right into our window. It wouldn't fit any of our windows here.
> > > I gave it to my neighbor because she said it would fit in one of
> > > her windows. I think she was lying. Didn't look to me like it
> > > would fit I think she sold it. She moved away not long after.
> >
> > Lady, you can have a window unit installed with proper bracing
> > inexpensively pretty much anywhere.
> >
> Of course I could. But with this kind of huge sliding windows, it
> would require removing the side that slides and fitting it with a
> piece of plywood. I do not wish to look at a big piece of plywood
> nor do I want one in there. All it takes is for someone to push it
> in and come on in! Then come fall, we would have to take it all out
> or wind up freezing all winter because we have a huge hole covered by
> plywood and not double paned glass!
>
> > When my father was transferred to Bangkok he had window units
> > installed in the bedrooms of the house he rented for us. It was
> > hotter than Hades most of the year there. If they could do it in
> > Bangkok in 1969 you can bet your sweet bippy someone can install a
> > window AC unit in your house in Bothell, WA in 2014.
>
> I am not stupid. I know how to put in AC. I have said this many
> times before. I am not taking my windows out. I am not taking the
> hardware cloth off. I am not shoving plywood into my windows,
> venting anything through them or cutting a hole in the wall. Just
> freaking give it up!
>
> It may well have been hot enough in Bangkok to need AC but for most
> years, 363 days of of them there is no need at all for AC and on
> those other two it would be questionable.
>
> We do get random years, it would seem about every 5 of them where we
> do get 2-3 weeks where it is warmer than usual This seems to be one
> of them despite what the various almanacs said.
>
> Me getting AC would be just about as smart and feasible as me getting
> a snow plow because we get snow just about as often as we get hot
> weather!

Bullshit call Julie. I have those windows and 2 patio doors plus a
french double door set.

The patio and side by side sliding windows work fine.

What made you think that a *portable* was a permanent install item?
It's used at need and stored when not in use.



--

On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 19:03:38 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

> Umm, hate to say it but she's right this time unless there is something
> new I haven't seen. Some also have to have a drain pan because they
> dehumidify and may not have a feature to turn that off and a pan that
> fills in a mere 2 hours then it stops working unless you have a drain
> hose.

I only know what I saw. They are not in a high humidity area, so
apparently it worked for them unvented.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 18:29:35 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

> We have 2 units like that. One has a home built extension and fits to
> a patio door to hold the exaust vent, the other fits a standard small
> window. When the HVAC died in 95F weather last year, we borrowed a
> small window unit for the only window we had that could take one easily
> (ours slide to the side but this one is a standard up and down and
> secure location at the back of the house inside an 8ft fenced yard).
>
> Running just one in the livingroom cut it to about 82F. Running all 3
> with wise use of directional fans, cut the whole house to 78F even at
> the worst of the day.

How did you block off the rest of the window? I don't see how it
would work with the window open letting warm air in.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 18:29:35 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > We have 2 units like that. One has a home built extension and fits
> > to a patio door to hold the exaust vent, the other fits a standard
> > small window. When the HVAC died in 95F weather last year, we
> > borrowed a small window unit for the only window we had that could
> > take one easily (ours slide to the side but this one is a standard
> > up and down and secure location at the back of the house inside an
> > 8ft fenced yard).
> >
> > Running just one in the livingroom cut it to about 82F. Running
> > all 3 with wise use of directional fans, cut the whole house to 78F
> > even at the worst of the day.
>
> How did you block off the rest of the window? I don't see how it
> would work with the window open letting warm air in.

You only open it far enough for the vent which has an adustable plastic
fitting that fits almost any window. You close the window up on that
with holds it in. We made extensions for that for a patio door.

Think about it. If you put a fan in a window, don't you close the fan
to fit against it? Same idea.

The fittings are generally 5 inches wide and 14 inches long with
extendable pieces that cover up to 36 inches. Some go further. You
can orient them sideways or up and down depending on window type.

On the patio door one, we used some left over paneling to block the
rest of the distance. It's all bolted togeter neatly so slides in as a
single 5 ich wide part that you slide the door into to block bugs and
the rest of the hot air outside away.

I grant you the pictures of these sometimes omit the venting and make
them look like they can sit in the middle of a room. They do have to
be vented or they will not work right. The outer vent has very hot air
(not burning, but hot). If you justran it with no venting, you'd not
get any cooling.

--

On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 21:25:41 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

> sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> > On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 18:29:35 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
> >
> > > We have 2 units like that. One has a home built extension and fits
> > > to a patio door to hold the exaust vent, the other fits a standard
> > > small window. When the HVAC died in 95F weather last year, we
> > > borrowed a small window unit for the only window we had that could
> > > take one easily (ours slide to the side but this one is a standard
> > > up and down and secure location at the back of the house inside an
> > > 8ft fenced yard).
> > >
> > > Running just one in the livingroom cut it to about 82F. Running
> > > all 3 with wise use of directional fans, cut the whole house to 78F
> > > even at the worst of the day.
> >
> > How did you block off the rest of the window? I don't see how it
> > would work with the window open letting warm air in.
>
> You only open it far enough for the vent which has an adustable plastic
> fitting that fits almost any window. You close the window up on that
> with holds it in. We made extensions for that for a patio door.
>
> Think about it. If you put a fan in a window, don't you close the fan
> to fit against it? Same idea.
>
> The fittings are generally 5 inches wide and 14 inches long with
> extendable pieces that cover up to 36 inches. Some go further. You
> can orient them sideways or up and down depending on window type.
>
> On the patio door one, we used some left over paneling to block the
> rest of the distance. It's all bolted togeter neatly so slides in as a
> single 5 ich wide part that you slide the door into to block bugs and
> the rest of the hot air outside away.
>
> I grant you the pictures of these sometimes omit the venting and make
> them look like they can sit in the middle of a room. They do have to
> be vented or they will not work right. The outer vent has very hot air
> (not burning, but hot). If you justran it with no venting, you'd not
> get any cooling.

Thanks. I need to ask her how that thing worked! I am in Julie's
situation where high temps are so infrequent that no one in an older
home has air conditioning. Maybe newer high rise condos do, but none
of the people I know who live in a house here have "air". My house
has a basement, so I only need to turn on the fan connected to the
furnace and blow out the house with basement cooled air when it gets
to be too warm... but I usually forget I can do that and just turn on
a room fan.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Wed, 9 Jul 2014 20:30:32 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > That made no sense to me either. And I simply can't have a
>> > > portable unit because I have no way to securely vent it outside.
>> > > I can't do it out a window and can't think of a wall space where
>> > > it could be done. Nor would I want to put a hole in my wall
>> > > because as I said, most years it would never get used!
>> >
>> > Why are you disregarding the floor unit type? It is not dependent
>> > on being in a window. My DD had one (similar to what Jill posted)
>> > in the living room of an 800 square foot house. Your house is a
>> > lot bigger with an open floor plan, so you have plenty of space to
>> > find a place to put one somewhere.
>>
>> As I have said countless times. Those need to be vented outside.
>> The usual way is to open a window and vent it out there. Not an
>> option for me. You can't have a screen and/or hardware cloth over
>> the window to do that. I also fail to see how that would work with
>> the large windows that I have even if I were willing to do that. The
>> window would still be open from nearly top to bottom and that would
>> just let the hot air in.
>>
>> If you don't do that, you then have to cut a hole in the wall. I
>> don't want a hole cut in my wall for something we might go for 2
>> years without using at all.
>>
>> Our house is 1700 sq. ft.
>
> Julie, They work fine through screens. Also whatever the cloth is you
> put up. if air flows through, you vent it there just fine. You can pull
> them out at night because they are not a permanent install.
>
> We have 2 units like that. One has a home built extension and fits to
> a patio door to hold the exaust vent, the other fits a standard small
> window. When the HVAC died in 95F weather last year, we borrowed a
> small window unit for the only window we had that could take one easily
> (ours slide to the side but this one is a standard up and down and
> secure location at the back of the house inside an 8ft fenced yard).
>
> Running just one in the livingroom cut it to about 82F. Running all 3
> with wise use of directional fans, cut the whole house to 78F even at
> the worst of the day.
>
> I'm 1,980 sqft here. I've since finished off the garage so am about
> 2,300 sqft but we haven't upgraded the HVAC yet to keep up with that so
> use 2 portables for ancillary cooling on the hottest days.
>
> May I suggest it's more functional to look to how to solve a problem
> than why you cant solve it?

It's people HERE who are saying it is a problem! I am saying that it's
*not* a problem but everyone is trying to make it one.

People here generally do not *want* AC. It just isn't something that would
get much use at all. What we are having now is not our typical weather.
From the looks of it, we are in for another week to 10 days of higher than
usual heat. It isn't going to kill me and despite the claims of prices made
here, I can not get a cheap unit for the size of this room.

I have ordered a swamp cooler. It was supposed to come today but now they
say tomorrow. So we'll see how it does.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 18:29:35 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
>> We have 2 units like that. One has a home built extension and fits to
>> a patio door to hold the exaust vent, the other fits a standard small
>> window. When the HVAC died in 95F weather last year, we borrowed a
>> small window unit for the only window we had that could take one easily
>> (ours slide to the side but this one is a standard up and down and
>> secure location at the back of the house inside an 8ft fenced yard).
>>
>> Running just one in the livingroom cut it to about 82F. Running all 3
>> with wise use of directional fans, cut the whole house to 78F even at
>> the worst of the day.
>
> How did you block off the rest of the window? I don't see how it
> would work with the window open letting warm air in.

From the pictures I have seen online, they come with a kit for that but it
is not designed to work with the type of windows I have. Let me see if I
can find such a pic. Here it is.

http://www.compactappliance.com/edge.../AP14003W.html

I had assumed that the hose actually went out the window. Apparently not.
But I would still be looking at around $600 just to cool this one room. I
can take in a lot of movies for that price and heck, shopping trips are free
unless I actually buy something. The cats are okay with the heat. Cats
love heat!

"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 18:29:35 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>
>> > We have 2 units like that. One has a home built extension and fits
>> > to a patio door to hold the exaust vent, the other fits a standard
>> > small window. When the HVAC died in 95F weather last year, we
>> > borrowed a small window unit for the only window we had that could
>> > take one easily (ours slide to the side but this one is a standard
>> > up and down and secure location at the back of the house inside an
>> > 8ft fenced yard).
>> >
>> > Running just one in the livingroom cut it to about 82F. Running
>> > all 3 with wise use of directional fans, cut the whole house to 78F
>> > even at the worst of the day.
>>
>> How did you block off the rest of the window? I don't see how it
>> would work with the window open letting warm air in.
>
> You only open it far enough for the vent which has an adustable plastic
> fitting that fits almost any window. You close the window up on that
> with holds it in. We made extensions for that for a patio door.
>
> Think about it. If you put a fan in a window, don't you close the fan
> to fit against it? Same idea.
>
No. You don't close the fan against it. The fan is open at the back. And
none of our fans go into the windows. They couldn't. Our sills aren't wide
enough to accomodate a fan.

> The fittings are generally 5 inches wide and 14 inches long with
> extendable pieces that cover up to 36 inches. Some go further. You
> can orient them sideways or up and down depending on window type.

36" would not be long enough for our windows. I believe they are 45" high.
>
> On the patio door one, we used some left over paneling to block the
> rest of the distance. It's all bolted togeter neatly so slides in as a
> single 5 ich wide part that you slide the door into to block bugs and
> the rest of the hot air outside away.
>
> I grant you the pictures of these sometimes omit the venting and make
> them look like they can sit in the middle of a room. They do have to
> be vented or they will not work right. The outer vent has very hot air
> (not burning, but hot). If you justran it with no venting, you'd not
> get any cooling.

I have read several times online that there are ventless models. They claim
to be less effective because they blow hot air out the back, back into your
room, but they also claim to be better than a fan. However, a search to buy
such a unit turned up nothing.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 19:03:38 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
>> Umm, hate to say it but she's right this time unless there is something
>> new I haven't seen. Some also have to have a drain pan because they
>> dehumidify and may not have a feature to turn that off and a pan that
>> fills in a mere 2 hours then it stops working unless you have a drain
>> hose.
>
> I only know what I saw. They are not in a high humidity area, so
> apparently it worked for them unvented.
>
The problem with not venting it is that the unit is blowing hot air back
into the room through the back. So not very efficient.

"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On 7/9/2014 6:19 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> > >
>> >>"Gary" > wrote in message
>> > > ...
>> > > > Julie Bove wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > "Doris Night" wrote:
>> >>>>> Can you get those little window air conditioners where you
>> live? > Where >>>>> I live in Ontario, it gets to about 85-90
>> degrees at this time of the >>>>> summer, but we have a window unit
>> in our bedroom, and it cools things >>>>> down quite nicely at night.
>> I think they cost about $100.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I wouldn't dare. I did have one. It didn't fit our windows.
>> > > > > There is no
>> > > > > real way to make the window secure with one of those units
>> > > > > and our crime rate is high here. I also don't really have
>> > > > > any way of venting a portable
>> > > > > unit.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I don't think you can get any units for that price here. The
>> > > > > one that I got
>> > > > > 10 years ago was around $300 and it was a small one.
>> > > >
>> > > > Quit being so negative and just buy a small window unit, Julie.
>> > > > It will fit your windows and that will vent it outside.
>> > > > Only costs about $100. You still have about 2 more months of
>> > > > hot, humid weather where you can't sleep at night and shop at
>> > > > stores with ac when you could be staying in the comfort of your
>> > > > own home.
>> > > >
>> > > > No high crime rate excuse either. A burgular will break into a
>> > > > regular window or door before they break into the window with
>> > > > an AC unit in it.
>> > > >
>> > > > Buy one! NO EXCUSE is valid for this problem, Julie. And since
>> > > > you won't need it often where you live, this one time buy
>> > > > should last you 20 years or so.
>> > > >
>> > > > G.
>> > >
>> > > For GOD'S sake! I HAD one! I bought it on Cape Cod. It fit
>> > > right into our window. It wouldn't fit any of our windows here.
>> > > I gave it to my neighbor because she said it would fit in one of
>> > > her windows. I think she was lying. Didn't look to me like it
>> > > would fit I think she sold it. She moved away not long after.
>> >
>> > Lady, you can have a window unit installed with proper bracing
>> > inexpensively pretty much anywhere.
>> >
>> Of course I could. But with this kind of huge sliding windows, it
>> would require removing the side that slides and fitting it with a
>> piece of plywood. I do not wish to look at a big piece of plywood
>> nor do I want one in there. All it takes is for someone to push it
>> in and come on in! Then come fall, we would have to take it all out
>> or wind up freezing all winter because we have a huge hole covered by
>> plywood and not double paned glass!
>>
>> > When my father was transferred to Bangkok he had window units
>> > installed in the bedrooms of the house he rented for us. It was
>> > hotter than Hades most of the year there. If they could do it in
>> > Bangkok in 1969 you can bet your sweet bippy someone can install a
>> > window AC unit in your house in Bothell, WA in 2014.
>>
>> I am not stupid. I know how to put in AC. I have said this many
>> times before. I am not taking my windows out. I am not taking the
>> hardware cloth off. I am not shoving plywood into my windows,
>> venting anything through them or cutting a hole in the wall. Just
>> freaking give it up!
>>
>> It may well have been hot enough in Bangkok to need AC but for most
>> years, 363 days of of them there is no need at all for AC and on
>> those other two it would be questionable.
>>
>> We do get random years, it would seem about every 5 of them where we
>> do get 2-3 weeks where it is warmer than usual This seems to be one
>> of them despite what the various almanacs said.
>>
>> Me getting AC would be just about as smart and feasible as me getting
>> a snow plow because we get snow just about as often as we get hot
>> weather!
>
> Bullshit call Julie. I have those windows and 2 patio doors plus a
> french double door set.
>
> The patio and side by side sliding windows work fine.
>
> What made you think that a *portable* was a permanent install item?
> It's used at need and stored when not in use.

I never said that it was permanent. I just said that it made no sense for
me to get one. I have also said repeatedly that most summers we get
little to no hot weather at all. The last two? I had the heat on and we
wore long sleeves. Last summer didn't even feel like summer.

The taking the window out had to do with putting in a window unit. Yes, I
know how to do that as we had one before. I used to sell building materials
and lumber and hardware. Granted there have been changes to products since
I sold such things but I'm not stupid when it comes to installing such
things.

You may live in an area where you need AC. But most of the time, we do not
need it here. Sure, if I could get some simple thing that didn't need to be
vented for around $200 or didn't need to be put in a window, I might get it.
But I can't. Which is why I got the swamp cooler. Or will be getting it
tomorrow as it hasn't come yet.

I've been working hard on getting this house in order and I really don't
want some jury rigged thing in one or more of my windows.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...

> That's because there are no exterior walls! Dur!!!!

I don't understand this. How does the house stand with no walls. Any wall
that is not interior, is exterior.

I am confused.

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"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> That's because there are no exterior walls! Dur!!!!
>
> I don't understand this. How does the house stand with no walls. Any
> wall that is not interior, is exterior.
>
> I am confused.

*sigh* Somebody snipped part of what I said. And what that was, was...
The middle part of the house has no *exterior* walls due to the way it was
remodeled. No windows and no exterior walls. Example being the dining
room. You have to walk through that to get into the family room. When you
open the door, you can see straight back into here.

The living room has only one exterior wall. It is small and almost entirely
taken up by the front door and the window. Actually that's not quite right.
There is a small piece of exterior wall on the other side of the front door.
It juts out by about 2-3 feet and contains a small, decorative window.

On one side of the living room is the garage and the other is a bedroom.
The bathroom that is next to the other bedroom on that side of the house has
no exterior walls either.

One of those bedrooms has two exterior walls. Both bedrooms are tiny. The
one with two exterior walls has one almost entirely taken up by a window.
The other has only one exterior wall which is mostly taken up by the window.

The family room has two exterior walls, mostly taken up by the sliding door
and windows. My room has two exterior walls. One mostly taken up by an
exterior door and a window. The other wall is where my bed, dresser and a
bookcase are.

My bathroom has one exterior wall where the tub is. There is a window
there. There is no electrical plug anywhere near that end of the bathroom.

The laundry room has one small exterior wall. The washer and dryer sit
against it and above them is a shelf and a clothes rod.

The kitchen has two exterior walls. There are upper cupboards on both, an
exterior door on one and also a garden window which is somewhat like a bay
window. The two small sides of it do open but I have discovered that for
some reason, opening them only makes the kitchen far hotter on hot days.

The deck goes around from the kitchen, family room and my bedroom and for
some reason, it really holds the heat. We tried to eat out there a few
times and it was just unbearable. Which is likely why this family room
remains so warm. Even when the air is chilly outside, there seems to be no
way to get a cool breeze in here at all.

Somebody will probably find fault with something I said here and most likely
I made some sort of mistake in telling it. I really don't care any more.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...

> On one side of the living room is the garage and the other is a bedroom.
> The bathroom that is next to the other bedroom on that side of the house
> has no exterior walls either.

Ok, understood now.



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Julie Bove wrote:
>
> People here generally do not *want* AC. It just isn't something that would
> get much use at all. What we are having now is not our typical weather.
> From the looks of it, we are in for another week to 10 days of higher than
> usual heat. It isn't going to kill me and despite the claims of prices made
> here, I can not get a cheap unit for the size of this room.

The cheapest unit is fine for a room. You say people here generally
don't want AC. But YOU do, at least temporarily. You've complained
about not being able to sleep, going shopping just to get some AC.

Rather than deny every suggestion, Julie, you should listen to and
consider the suggestions here. There is always a way to get some AC in
your house. Since you don't need it often, it sounds like a portable
unit would be best for you. Use it when you need it and store it in a
closet the rest of the year. Easy enough to find a way to vent out the
hot air.

And don't tell me you don't have any available room to store it. You
have a 1,700 sq foot house. You can make room. My place is about
1,100 and if I need one, I could surely find a place to store it
during the off season. I don't need one though...I have central air
and I do NOT mind paying for the extra electricity when it's very hot
here.

And actually, I can deal with more heat to some point but my ferret
can't. They wear fur coats and don't sweat to eliminate heat. Once my
temp get too high, I'll often turn it on just for the ferret. Your
cats aren't happy either and I'll bet you don't take them shopping to
cool down.

G.

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> I had assumed that the hose actually went out the window. Apparently not.
> But I would still be looking at around $600 just to cool this one room. I
> can take in a lot of movies for that price and heck, shopping trips are free
> unless I actually buy something. The cats are okay with the heat. Cats
> love heat!

Oh...so you're suffering from the heat because you are a tightwad.
That $600 investment would keep you cool for many many years, during
the hot day.

And...cats do not love the heat and humidity. They have fur coats too.
Try sitting in your hot house today with a winter coat and gloves on
and see how you like it.

Ophelia wrote:
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > That's because there are no exterior walls! Dur!!!!
>
> I don't understand this. How does the house stand with no walls. Any wall
> that is not interior, is exterior.
>
> I am confused.

She is just being extremely negative as always. And she ordered the
least good option to solve her problem of heat. Where is the husband's
input into this problem?

G.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> > That's because there are no exterior walls! Dur!!!!
>>
>> I don't understand this. How does the house stand with no walls. Any
>> wall
>> that is not interior, is exterior.
>>
>> I am confused.
>
> She is just being extremely negative as always. And she ordered the
> least good option to solve her problem of heat. Where is the husband's
> input into this problem?

She did explain and I understood it. The rooms she refers to are internal
rooms. There are other rooms surrounding them.


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> wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 14:31:23 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Gary" > wrote in message
...
>>> Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> > That's because there are no exterior walls! Dur!!!!
>>>>
>>>> I don't understand this. How does the house stand with no walls. Any
>>>> wall
>>>> that is not interior, is exterior.
>>>>
>>>> I am confused.
>>>
>>> She is just being extremely negative as always. And she ordered the
>>> least good option to solve her problem of heat. Where is the husband's
>>> input into this problem?
>>
>>She did explain and I understood it. The rooms she refers to are internal
>>rooms. There are other rooms surrounding them.
>
> As I pointed out, one of those free standing a/c units work anywhere,
> given you have electicity of course lol

My confusion lay in her description of rooms with no outside walls.

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On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 19:21:31 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

>Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On 7/9/2014 6:19 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> > >
>> >>"Gary" > wrote in message
>> > > ...
>> > > > Julie Bove wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > "Doris Night" wrote:
>> >>>>> Can you get those little window air conditioners where you
>> live? > Where >>>>> I live in Ontario, it gets to about 85-90
>> degrees at this time of the >>>>> summer, but we have a window unit
>> in our bedroom, and it cools things >>>>> down quite nicely at night.
>> I think they cost about $100.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I wouldn't dare. I did have one. It didn't fit our windows.
>> > > > > There is no
>> > > > > real way to make the window secure with one of those units
>> > > > > and our crime rate is high here. I also don't really have
>> > > > > any way of venting a portable
>> > > > > unit.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I don't think you can get any units for that price here. The
>> > > > > one that I got
>> > > > > 10 years ago was around $300 and it was a small one.
>> > > >
>> > > > Quit being so negative and just buy a small window unit, Julie.
>> > > > It will fit your windows and that will vent it outside.
>> > > > Only costs about $100. You still have about 2 more months of
>> > > > hot, humid weather where you can't sleep at night and shop at
>> > > > stores with ac when you could be staying in the comfort of your
>> > > > own home.
>> > > >
>> > > > No high crime rate excuse either. A burgular will break into a
>> > > > regular window or door before they break into the window with
>> > > > an AC unit in it.
>> > > >
>> > > > Buy one! NO EXCUSE is valid for this problem, Julie. And since
>> > > > you won't need it often where you live, this one time buy
>> > > > should last you 20 years or so.
>> > > >
>> > > > G.
>> > >
>> > > For GOD'S sake! I HAD one! I bought it on Cape Cod. It fit
>> > > right into our window. It wouldn't fit any of our windows here.
>> > > I gave it to my neighbor because she said it would fit in one of
>> > > her windows. I think she was lying. Didn't look to me like it
>> > > would fit I think she sold it. She moved away not long after.
>> >
>> > Lady, you can have a window unit installed with proper bracing
>> > inexpensively pretty much anywhere.
>> >
>> Of course I could. But with this kind of huge sliding windows, it
>> would require removing the side that slides and fitting it with a
>> piece of plywood. I do not wish to look at a big piece of plywood
>> nor do I want one in there. All it takes is for someone to push it
>> in and come on in! Then come fall, we would have to take it all out
>> or wind up freezing all winter because we have a huge hole covered by
>> plywood and not double paned glass!
>>
>> > When my father was transferred to Bangkok he had window units
>> > installed in the bedrooms of the house he rented for us. It was
>> > hotter than Hades most of the year there. If they could do it in
>> > Bangkok in 1969 you can bet your sweet bippy someone can install a
>> > window AC unit in your house in Bothell, WA in 2014.
>>
>> I am not stupid. I know how to put in AC. I have said this many
>> times before. I am not taking my windows out. I am not taking the
>> hardware cloth off. I am not shoving plywood into my windows,
>> venting anything through them or cutting a hole in the wall. Just
>> freaking give it up!
>>
>> It may well have been hot enough in Bangkok to need AC but for most
>> years, 363 days of of them there is no need at all for AC and on
>> those other two it would be questionable.
>>
>> We do get random years, it would seem about every 5 of them where we
>> do get 2-3 weeks where it is warmer than usual This seems to be one
>> of them despite what the various almanacs said.
>>
>> Me getting AC would be just about as smart and feasible as me getting
>> a snow plow because we get snow just about as often as we get hot
>> weather!
>
>Bullshit call Julie. I have those windows and 2 patio doors plus a
>french double door set.
>
>The patio and side by side sliding windows work fine.
>
>What made you think that a *portable* was a permanent install item?
>It's used at need and stored when not in use.

It's just as easy to install a window air conditioner in a
sliding/casement window as a double hung... they're actually the same
window only the slider is essentially a double hung laid on its
side... I've done both. Sometimes the sill is not wide enough to
support the a/c unit but there are simple to install bracket kits. Two
summers ago I installed just such a unit for one of my elderly
neighbors, took like thirty minutes and the only tool needed was a
screwdriver.
http://www.amazon.com/Safe-AC-160-Un...er+bracket+kit
There are a/c units configured for slider/casement windows.
http://www.amazon.com/Frigidaire-Cas...dp_ob_image_hi
Julie is just too cheap to treat herself to A/C.

On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 21:25:41 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

>sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 18:29:35 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>
>> > We have 2 units like that. One has a home built extension and fits
>> > to a patio door to hold the exaust vent, the other fits a standard
>> > small window. When the HVAC died in 95F weather last year, we
>> > borrowed a small window unit for the only window we had that could
>> > take one easily (ours slide to the side but this one is a standard
>> > up and down and secure location at the back of the house inside an
>> > 8ft fenced yard).
>> >
>> > Running just one in the livingroom cut it to about 82F. Running
>> > all 3 with wise use of directional fans, cut the whole house to 78F
>> > even at the worst of the day.
>>
>> How did you block off the rest of the window? I don't see how it
>> would work with the window open letting warm air in.
>
>You only open it far enough for the vent which has an adustable plastic
>fitting that fits almost any window. You close the window up on that
>with holds it in. We made extensions for that for a patio door.
>
>Think about it. If you put a fan in a window, don't you close the fan
>to fit against it? Same idea.
>
>The fittings are generally 5 inches wide and 14 inches long with
>extendable pieces that cover up to 36 inches. Some go further. You
>can orient them sideways or up and down depending on window type.
>
>On the patio door one, we used some left over paneling to block the
>rest of the distance. It's all bolted togeter neatly so slides in as a
>single 5 ich wide part that you slide the door into to block bugs and
>the rest of the hot air outside away.
>
>I grant you the pictures of these sometimes omit the venting and make
>them look like they can sit in the middle of a room. They do have to
>be vented or they will not work right. The outer vent has very hot air
>(not burning, but hot). If you justran it with no venting, you'd not
>get any cooling.

The portable A/C units are very easy to vent:
http://www.amazon.com/Honeywell-MN10...DB6PE2A 9H91V

On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 20:39:37 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"sf" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 18:29:35 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>
>>> We have 2 units like that. One has a home built extension and fits to
>>> a patio door to hold the exaust vent, the other fits a standard small
>>> window. When the HVAC died in 95F weather last year, we borrowed a
>>> small window unit for the only window we had that could take one easily
>>> (ours slide to the side but this one is a standard up and down and
>>> secure location at the back of the house inside an 8ft fenced yard).
>>>
>>> Running just one in the livingroom cut it to about 82F. Running all 3
>>> with wise use of directional fans, cut the whole house to 78F even at
>>> the worst of the day.
>>
>> How did you block off the rest of the window? I don't see how it
>> would work with the window open letting warm air in.
>
>From the pictures I have seen online, they come with a kit for that but it
>is not designed to work with the type of windows I have. Let me see if I
>can find such a pic. Here it is.
>
>http://www.compactappliance.com/edge.../AP14003W.html

Better to show a picture of the window you say won't work.

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 08:21:05 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> I had assumed that the hose actually went out the window. Apparently not.
>> But I would still be looking at around $600 just to cool this one room. I
>> can take in a lot of movies for that price and heck, shopping trips are free
>> unless I actually buy something. The cats are okay with the heat. Cats
>> love heat!
>
>Oh...so you're suffering from the heat because you are a tightwad.
>That $600 investment would keep you cool for many many years, during
>the hot day.

The unit she showed costs only $400... and it's 14,000 BTUs... even a
very large bedroom only needs 10,000 BTUs so should cost less. And no
one needs a remote controlled unit unless they are bedbound. A/C
units are thermostatically controlled, it's extremely rare one changes
that setting. One should be able to buy a top of the line A/C unit
for a good sized bedroom for about $300. A larger than needed unit
wastes electric and won't properly dehumidify, a smaller then needed
unit will over work and shorten its life. One needs to choose a
correctly sized unit. The typical master bedroom in those older
houses would run near 250 sq ft, an 8,000 BTU unit would be quite
sufficient, especially considering one sleeps at night when it's dark
and a lot cooler outside. During daytime I'd strongly suggest one
draws the shades with a/c running.