On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 20:34:55 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"cshenk" > wrote in message
m...
>> Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>>>
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> > On Wed, 9 Jul 2014 20:30:32 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > That made no sense to me either. And I simply can't have a
>>> > > portable unit because I have no way to securely vent it outside.
>>> > > I can't do it out a window and can't think of a wall space where
>>> > > it could be done. Nor would I want to put a hole in my wall
>>> > > because as I said, most years it would never get used!
>>> >
>>> > Why are you disregarding the floor unit type? It is not dependent
>>> > on being in a window. My DD had one (similar to what Jill posted)
>>> > in the living room of an 800 square foot house. Your house is a
>>> > lot bigger with an open floor plan, so you have plenty of space to
>>> > find a place to put one somewhere.
>>>
>>> As I have said countless times. Those need to be vented outside.
>>> The usual way is to open a window and vent it out there. Not an
>>> option for me. You can't have a screen and/or hardware cloth over
>>> the window to do that. I also fail to see how that would work with
>>> the large windows that I have even if I were willing to do that. The
>>> window would still be open from nearly top to bottom and that would
>>> just let the hot air in.
>>>
>>> If you don't do that, you then have to cut a hole in the wall. I
>>> don't want a hole cut in my wall for something we might go for 2
>>> years without using at all.
>>>
>>> Our house is 1700 sq. ft.
>>
>> Julie, They work fine through screens. Also whatever the cloth is you
>> put up. if air flows through, you vent it there just fine. You can pull
>> them out at night because they are not a permanent install.
>>
>> We have 2 units like that. One has a home built extension and fits to
>> a patio door to hold the exaust vent, the other fits a standard small
>> window. When the HVAC died in 95F weather last year, we borrowed a
>> small window unit for the only window we had that could take one easily
>> (ours slide to the side but this one is a standard up and down and
>> secure location at the back of the house inside an 8ft fenced yard).
>>
>> Running just one in the livingroom cut it to about 82F. Running all 3
>> with wise use of directional fans, cut the whole house to 78F even at
>> the worst of the day.
>>
>> I'm 1,980 sqft here. I've since finished off the garage so am about
>> 2,300 sqft but we haven't upgraded the HVAC yet to keep up with that so
>> use 2 portables for ancillary cooling on the hottest days.
>>
>> May I suggest it's more functional to look to how to solve a problem
>> than why you cant solve it?
>
>It's people HERE who are saying it is a problem! I am saying that it's
>*not* a problem but everyone is trying to make it one.
>People here generally do not *want* AC.

Sour grapes/cheapo *******s.

>I have ordered a swamp cooler. It was supposed to come today but now they
>say tomorrow. So we'll see how it does.

A disease generator.

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 08:16:26 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> People here generally do not *want* AC. It just isn't something that would
>> get much use at all. What we are having now is not our typical weather.
>> From the looks of it, we are in for another week to 10 days of higher than
>> usual heat. It isn't going to kill me and despite the claims of prices made
>> here, I can not get a cheap unit for the size of this room.
>
>The cheapest unit is fine for a room. You say people here generally
>don't want AC. But YOU do, at least temporarily. You've complained
>about not being able to sleep, going shopping just to get some AC.
>
>Rather than deny every suggestion, Julie, you should listen to and
>consider the suggestions here. There is always a way to get some AC in
>your house. Since you don't need it often, it sounds like a portable
>unit would be best for you. Use it when you need it and store it in a
>closet the rest of the year. Easy enough to find a way to vent out the
>hot air.
>
>And don't tell me you don't have any available room to store it. You
>have a 1,700 sq foot house. You can make room. My place is about
>1,100 and if I need one, I could surely find a place to store it
>during the off season.

Placed next to a favorite TV viewing chair covered with a nice
tablecloth makes a good place for snacks and a drinkypoo.

>I don't need one though...I have central air
>and I do NOT mind paying for the extra electricity when it's very hot
>here.

Now you hit on the truth, Julie's husband pays the bills and he's a
cheapo... Julie has already had her butt spanked for mentioning A/C.

>And actually, I can deal with more heat to some point but my ferret
>can't. They wear fur coats and don't sweat to eliminate heat. Once my
>temp get too high, I'll often turn it on just for the ferret. Your
>cats aren't happy either and I'll bet you don't take them shopping to
>cool down.

Animals, people, everyone enjoys A/C on a hot day. And anyway A/C
units have a thermostat, they only turn on when the temperature
reaches the set amount, they don't run when the room is cool. And A/C
units don't eat, they have no food fetishes.

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 08:33:25 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> > That's because there are no exterior walls! Dur!!!!
>>
>> I don't understand this. How does the house stand with no walls. Any wall
>> that is not interior, is exterior.
>>
>> I am confused.
>
>She is just being extremely negative as always. And she ordered the
>least good option to solve her problem of heat. Where is the husband's
>input into this problem?

Mr. Bove gave up on her many years ago... he probably has an A/C unit
in HIS bedroom! LOL

On 7/10/2014 4:33 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 7/9/2014 10:57 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> And you bring up another issue. There is no possible way now to put in
>>> a window unit now with the hardware cloth that has been installed over
>>> the outside screen.
>>
>> WTF is "hardware cloth"?
>
> *sigh* It's a type of screen.

WTF is with the *sigh*? You're asked what something is (that I've never
heard of) and you *sigh*? WTF didn't you also add *rolls eyes*?

--
DreadfulBitch

I'm a nobody, nobody is perfect, therefore I'm perfect.

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 14:47:47 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>
>
> wrote in message
.. .
>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 14:31:23 +0100, "Ophelia"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Gary" > wrote in message
...
>>>> Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> > That's because there are no exterior walls! Dur!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't understand this. How does the house stand with no walls. Any
>>>>> wall
>>>>> that is not interior, is exterior.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am confused.
>>>>
>>>> She is just being extremely negative as always. And she ordered the
>>>> least good option to solve her problem of heat. Where is the husband's
>>>> input into this problem?
>>>
>>>She did explain and I understood it. The rooms she refers to are internal
>>>rooms. There are other rooms surrounding them.
>>
>> As I pointed out, one of those free standing a/c units work anywhere,
>> given you have electicity of course lol
>
>My confusion lay in her description of rooms with no outside walls.

It's still not a reason why she can't have air conditioning in there.

On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 21:25:41 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

>sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> How did you block off the rest of the window? I don't see how it
>> would work with the window open letting warm air in.
>
>You only open it far enough for the vent which has an adustable plastic
>fitting that fits almost any window. You close the window up on that
>with holds it in.

That's exactly what I have.

On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 20:39:37 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>The cats are okay with the heat. Cats love heat!

Only in winter they do. Otherwise they DO NOT like heat.
But then, you already know that...

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 08:21:05 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>cats do not love the heat and humidity.

Correct.

>They have fur coats too.
>Try sitting in your hot house today with a winter coat and gloves on
>and see how you like it.

Incorrect. Their coats are insulation - from both heat and cold.

On Thursday, July 10, 2014 4:47:48 PM UTC-4, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 13:25:00 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>
>
> >Julie Bove wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> I know that window units can be installed through a wall but we don't have
>
> >> such a wall. Our walls are all taken up with windows and furniture.
>
> >
>
> >Inconceivable. Enjoy your hot weather.
>
>
>
> Most folks install thru wall units *under or above* a window so as not
>
> to block the window view. Julie can always cool off by using ice
>
> cubes as anal suppositories.

Hey catlady. Why don't you reply to the dozens of threads that have called out your disinformation, lies and ignorance?

Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
> "cshenk" > wrote in message
> ...
> > sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >>On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 18:29:35 -0500, "cshenk" >
> wrote:
> > >
> >>> We have 2 units like that. One has a home built extension and
> fits >>> to a patio door to hold the exaust vent, the other fits a
> standard >>> small window. When the HVAC died in 95F weather last
> year, we >>> borrowed a small window unit for the only window we had
> that could >>> take one easily (ours slide to the side but this one
> is a standard >>> up and down and secure location at the back of the
> house inside an >>> 8ft fenced yard).
> > > >
> >>> Running just one in the livingroom cut it to about 82F. Running
> >>> all 3 with wise use of directional fans, cut the whole house to
> 78F >>> even at the worst of the day.
> > >
> > > How did you block off the rest of the window? I don't see how it
> > > would work with the window open letting warm air in.
> >
> > You only open it far enough for the vent which has an adustable
> > plastic fitting that fits almost any window. You close the window
> > up on that with holds it in. We made extensions for that for a
> > patio door.
> >
> > Think about it. If you put a fan in a window, don't you close the
> > fan to fit against it? Same idea.
> >
> No. You don't close the fan against it. The fan is open at the
> back. And none of our fans go into the windows. They couldn't. Our
> sills aren't wide enough to accomodate a fan.
>
> > The fittings are generally 5 inches wide and 14 inches long with
> > extendable pieces that cover up to 36 inches. Some go further. You
> > can orient them sideways or up and down depending on window type.
>
> 36" would not be long enough for our windows. I believe they are 45"
> high.
> >
> > On the patio door one, we used some left over paneling to block the
> > rest of the distance. It's all bolted togeter neatly so slides in
> > as a single 5 ich wide part that you slide the door into to block
> > bugs and the rest of the hot air outside away.
> >
> > I grant you the pictures of these sometimes omit the venting and
> > make them look like they can sit in the middle of a room. They do
> > have to be vented or they will not work right. The outer vent has
> > very hot air (not burning, but hot). If you justran it with no
> > venting, you'd not get any cooling.
>
> I have read several times online that there are ventless models.
> They claim to be less effective because they blow hot air out the
> back, back into your room, but they also claim to be better than a
> fan. However, a search to buy such a unit turned up nothing.

You arent listening Julie.

We have one in a patio door, 72 inches. We didnt look for an adapator
but made one.


List the specific size of your window opening and i will look it up for
you since google seems not your skill set. They come easity to handle
46 inches. It's 52 and more that are hard to get with the same kit.

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Gary wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> Julie Bove wrote:
> >
> > I had assumed that the hose actually went out the window.
> > Apparently not. But I would still be looking at around $600 just
> > to cool this one room. I can take in a lot of movies for that
> > price and heck, shopping trips are free unless I actually buy
> > something. The cats are okay with the heat. Cats love heat!
>
> Oh...so you're suffering from the heat because you are a tightwad.
> That $600 investment would keep you cool for many many years, during
> the hot day.
>
> And...cats do not love the heat and humidity. They have fur coats too.
> Try sitting in your hot house today with a winter coat and gloves on
> and see how you like it.

They also don't cost 600$ unless you are talking 20,000 BTU level.



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Brooklyn1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 08:21:05 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
> > Julie Bove wrote:
> >>
> >> I had assumed that the hose actually went out the window.
> Apparently not. >> But I would still be looking at around $600 just
> to cool this one room. I >> can take in a lot of movies for that
> price and heck, shopping trips are free >> unless I actually buy
> something. The cats are okay with the heat. Cats >> love heat!
> >
> > Oh...so you're suffering from the heat because you are a tightwad.
> > That $600 investment would keep you cool for many many years, during
> > the hot day.
>
> The unit she showed costs only $400... and it's 14,000 BTUs... even a
> very large bedroom only needs 10,000 BTUs so should cost less. And no
> one needs a remote controlled unit unless they are bedbound. A/C
> units are thermostatically controlled, it's extremely rare one changes
> that setting. One should be able to buy a top of the line A/C unit
> for a good sized bedroom for about $300. A larger than needed unit
> wastes electric and won't properly dehumidify, a smaller then needed
> unit will over work and shorten its life. One needs to choose a
> correctly sized unit. The typical master bedroom in those older
> houses would run near 250 sq ft, an 8,000 BTU unit would be quite
> sufficient, especially considering one sleeps at night when it's dark
> and a lot cooler outside. During daytime I'd strongly suggest one
> draws the shades with a/c running.

Dead on Sheldon.

My *sunroom* with 2 glass walls is 12x13ft and outside the HVAC area so
has a 10,000 BTU and it backfills coolness to the rest. THats the one
with the patio door. Curtins are not optimal summer block back there.

The other is an ancillary when the HVAC went out and we were pending
repairs. I looked and it's 8,000 BTUs. We use it in the living room
at need now but when the HVAC was out, it did a decent job of keeping
us sane in a very large room hooked to an open kitchen and the hall.
Best estimate is 10,000 square feet of room space. with no doors closed
to our other 8,000 or so square feet of home.

Optimal? No. Worakable? Yes.

In areas where 85F is 'hot' this is a usable and simple fix for
occasonal needs.


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In article >, Brooklyn1
> wrote:

> On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 20:34:55 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:

> >I have ordered a swamp cooler. It was supposed to come today but now they
> >say tomorrow. So we'll see how it does.
>
> A disease generator.

In general, Nah. You just have to live in a summer "low" humidity part
of the country. I do, and the cost of reducing my interior temperature
is negligible electricity. I'm running a one and a half horsepower
motor all day when the temp is above 100F and 14 hours per day at 90F.
Our humidity during hot times is less than twenty percent except during
our scarce rainfall. I'm aware of Legionnaires' disease. Bad practices
gave a bad rap on "evaporative" coolers. They give a 15 to 20 degree
reduction in temp with low humidity and are really cheap to use.
I'll bet a bunch of people here may have never heard of or seen one.
They're not sold in high humidity areas.

leo

jmcquown wrote:
> On 7/9/2014 10:57 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> And you bring up another issue. There is no possible way now to put in
>> a window unit now with the hardware cloth that has been installed over
>> the outside screen.
>
> WTF is "hardware cloth"?
>
> Jill
About 6,650,000 results on Google.

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> On one side of the living room is the garage and the other is a bedroom.
>> The bathroom that is next to the other bedroom on that side of the house
>> has no exterior walls either.
>
> Ok, understood now.

Oh good. After I wrote it all out it was starting not to make sense to even
me.

The only other person I know who has a house as weird as mine is my friend.
Her house is actually designed like a squared off donut. Once she was in
hysterics because she had an assortment of cats and dogs in the house. Some
hers and some her visitor's. They all began chasing each other and going
around and around in circles until they were worn out. Fortunately they
were small animals. She said it was one of the funniest things she had ever
seen!

Her kitchen is actually smack in the middle of her house. Or part of it
anyway. That part is almost identical to my kitchen in size, shape and
arrangement. But there is a doorway that goes back to the laundry room and
on the other side of that is the rest of the kitchen which contains a built
in cupboard and a very small eating area. That part I don't have.

There is an exterior door into her laundry room but the other end of it is
open so you just go from there into where the bedrooms are and then around
into the living room and on back through to the kitchen.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> People here generally do not *want* AC. It just isn't something that
>> would
>> get much use at all. What we are having now is not our typical weather.
>> From the looks of it, we are in for another week to 10 days of higher
>> than
>> usual heat. It isn't going to kill me and despite the claims of prices
>> made
>> here, I can not get a cheap unit for the size of this room.
>
> The cheapest unit is fine for a room. You say people here generally
> don't want AC. But YOU do, at least temporarily. You've complained
> about not being able to sleep, going shopping just to get some AC.

Actually, I don't. I have the swamp cooler now and it's very comfortable in
here.

You don't live here Gary. People here just don't like AC in their homes.
What was I doing last night? Reading this. And I didn't even finish. I
probably will finish it tonight. Oddly funny because the things many of
those people were saying goes along with what I was trying to express here.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/seatt...ow-common.html

Yes, some people here have it but they are by far in the minority.

I have had AC in three different places where I lived. All of them were
insanely muggy places. I don't really like the AC because of the way that
it gives an artificial chill to the air and also seems to dry it out. But
when you live in such conditions, I suppose it's better than getting heat
stroke.

The swamp cooler just makes things nice. This room is not frigid like it
would be if I had AC. It's just very, very pleasant and the moisture it is
putting out is very refreshing. My hair is no longer dried out like straw
and my skin looks dewy. I like. Daughter likes. Cats like. Husband is at
work so we don't know his opinion of it.
>
> Rather than deny every suggestion, Julie, you should listen to and
> consider the suggestions here. There is always a way to get some AC in
> your house. Since you don't need it often, it sounds like a portable
> unit would be best for you. Use it when you need it and store it in a
> closet the rest of the year. Easy enough to find a way to vent out the
> hot air.

I. Don't. Want. It.

Got that? Do not want it. And I have no closet that I could put one of
those monster units in. I don't even know what to do with this swamp cooler
when I'm not using it. It will for sure stay in this room until perhaps
Sept. But then? I guess I will find a place. Husband just crammed more
stuff into the garage. We don't have a spare inch out there. And I fear
that the wheels might get damaged taking it all the way to the back house.
Unless perhaps I can wheel it on the flat bed. At least it is lightweight
when it has no water in it.
>
> And don't tell me you don't have any available room to store it. You
> have a 1,700 sq foot house. You can make room. My place is about
> 1,100 and if I need one, I could surely find a place to store it
> during the off season. I don't need one though...I have central air
> and I do NOT mind paying for the extra electricity when it's very hot
> here.

You and your ferrets live alone. There are three of us in here. It's a
poorly designed house with tons of wasted space. Much of it being in my
bathroom. That bathroom is bigger than the bedroom my nephew had as a
child.

People in this area are anti AC. I don't know why you persist with this.
>
> And actually, I can deal with more heat to some point but my ferret
> can't. They wear fur coats and don't sweat to eliminate heat. Once my
> temp get too high, I'll often turn it on just for the ferret. Your
> cats aren't happy either and I'll bet you don't take them shopping to
> cool down.

Cats actually love heat. They seek it out. When we had Maui we did drive
her around when it was hot. She was leash tamed though. I took her
everywhere. The beach, the park, the pet store. Yeah, she went shopping.
These cats do not like riding in the vehicle though and I'm pretty sure they
would not like leashes. They're fine. We have several cooling pads and not
the kind their claws could pierce. If we are not home and they get too hot,
they can lie down on those. They know where they are.

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 08:16:26 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>>Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> People here generally do not *want* AC. It just isn't something that
>>> would
>>> get much use at all. What we are having now is not our typical weather.
>>> From the looks of it, we are in for another week to 10 days of higher
>>> than
>>> usual heat. It isn't going to kill me and despite the claims of prices
>>> made
>>> here, I can not get a cheap unit for the size of this room.
>>
>>The cheapest unit is fine for a room. You say people here generally
>>don't want AC. But YOU do, at least temporarily. You've complained
>>about not being able to sleep, going shopping just to get some AC.
>>
>>Rather than deny every suggestion, Julie, you should listen to and
>>consider the suggestions here. There is always a way to get some AC in
>>your house. Since you don't need it often, it sounds like a portable
>>unit would be best for you. Use it when you need it and store it in a
>>closet the rest of the year. Easy enough to find a way to vent out the
>>hot air.
>>
>>And don't tell me you don't have any available room to store it. You
>>have a 1,700 sq foot house. You can make room. My place is about
>>1,100 and if I need one, I could surely find a place to store it
>>during the off season.
>
> Placed next to a favorite TV viewing chair covered with a nice
> tablecloth makes a good place for snacks and a drinkypoo.
>
>>I don't need one though...I have central air
>>and I do NOT mind paying for the extra electricity when it's very hot
>>here.
>
> Now you hit on the truth, Julie's husband pays the bills and he's a
> cheapo... Julie has already had her butt spanked for mentioning A/C.
>
>>And actually, I can deal with more heat to some point but my ferret
>>can't. They wear fur coats and don't sweat to eliminate heat. Once my
>>temp get too high, I'll often turn it on just for the ferret. Your
>>cats aren't happy either and I'll bet you don't take them shopping to
>>cool down.
>
> Animals, people, everyone enjoys A/C on a hot day. And anyway A/C
> units have a thermostat, they only turn on when the temperature
> reaches the set amount, they don't run when the room is cool. And A/C
> units don't eat, they have no food fetishes.

For Pete's sake! I *had* AC when we lived on Cape Cod. Why they didn't
install it in the military housing is beyond me as we certainly needed it.
Husband did refused to get Central though as it would have cost $2,000 and
had to all be removed when we moved out. He didn't need it much himself as
he could always stay on the ship which was out in the water. But I put my
foot down when I was pregnant and demanded a window unit for our spare
bedroom. It was the smallest room. I can't remember the square footage but
that unit cost $300. Granted, prices for appliances were pretty high on the
Cape.

We moved that unit here. It would not work in our windows. I know this for
a fact. Husband's friend is a carpenter and he said it would not work in
any of our windows. It was not the right size. And even if it would, it
would have had to go into one of the smaller rooms as they are about the
size that one was.

*I* am the one who pays the bills here. We have electric heat so our
highest bills are in the Fall, Winter and Spring when the heat is on.
Actually the heat was on even into last summer. I think we only had two
days in all of last summer that got what we call hot. And what we call hot
here is anything above 70.

Ya'll live in different climates and keep commenting to me as though I live
where you do. I don't. I have lived in places where it goes above 100. I
have lived both with AC and without. I'm still here.

Probably in a week from now, we'll all be wearing our long sleeves or
jackets here and bitching about how cold it is. Here that is. Ya'll will
still be running your AC.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> I had assumed that the hose actually went out the window. Apparently
>> not.
>> But I would still be looking at around $600 just to cool this one room.
>> I
>> can take in a lot of movies for that price and heck, shopping trips are
>> free
>> unless I actually buy something. The cats are okay with the heat. Cats
>> love heat!
>
> Oh...so you're suffering from the heat because you are a tightwad.
> That $600 investment would keep you cool for many many years, during
> the hot day.
>
> And...cats do not love the heat and humidity. They have fur coats too.
> Try sitting in your hot house today with a winter coat and gloves on
> and see how you like it.

Where is the humidity. I try to be a nice person. I really do. But you
are being as dense as a post now. Here's the link again. Read it.
Please!!!!

http://www.city-data.com/forum/seatt...ow-common.html

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 08:21:05 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>>Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> I had assumed that the hose actually went out the window. Apparently
>>> not.
>>> But I would still be looking at around $600 just to cool this one room.
>>> I
>>> can take in a lot of movies for that price and heck, shopping trips are
>>> free
>>> unless I actually buy something. The cats are okay with the heat. Cats
>>> love heat!
>>
>>Oh...so you're suffering from the heat because you are a tightwad.
>>That $600 investment would keep you cool for many many years, during
>>the hot day.
>
> The unit she showed costs only $400... and it's 14,000 BTUs... even a
> very large bedroom only needs 10,000 BTUs so should cost less. And no
> one needs a remote controlled unit unless they are bedbound. A/C
> units are thermostatically controlled, it's extremely rare one changes
> that setting. One should be able to buy a top of the line A/C unit
> for a good sized bedroom for about $300. A larger than needed unit
> wastes electric and won't properly dehumidify, a smaller then needed
> unit will over work and shorten its life. One needs to choose a
> correctly sized unit. The typical master bedroom in those older
> houses would run near 250 sq ft, an 8,000 BTU unit would be quite
> sufficient, especially considering one sleeps at night when it's dark
> and a lot cooler outside. During daytime I'd strongly suggest one
> draws the shades with a/c running.

I do not have a typical master bedroom. Nothing in this house is typical.
I am not going to measure my bedroom but for sure it is bigger than 250 sq.
feet. I am not even sleeping in there right now. I have been sleeping on
the couch under the ceiling fan. Angela has been sleeping in my room under
the ceiling fan in there. Husband is working nights. I presume that they
have AC where he works because everything else they have is quite lavish.
But his room is at the front of the house and the front of the house has
remained quite cool. We have tons of trees that provide shade there.

Sheesh. I complained of one night of poor sleep and everyone is going on
and on about my buying AC. Not gonna happen. Not unless I move to some
place that is humid!

"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> Brooklyn1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 08:21:05 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>> > Julie Bove wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I had assumed that the hose actually went out the window.
>> Apparently not. >> But I would still be looking at around $600 just
>> to cool this one room. I >> can take in a lot of movies for that
>> price and heck, shopping trips are free >> unless I actually buy
>> something. The cats are okay with the heat. Cats >> love heat!
>> >
>> > Oh...so you're suffering from the heat because you are a tightwad.
>> > That $600 investment would keep you cool for many many years, during
>> > the hot day.
>>
>> The unit she showed costs only $400... and it's 14,000 BTUs... even a
>> very large bedroom only needs 10,000 BTUs so should cost less. And no
>> one needs a remote controlled unit unless they are bedbound. A/C
>> units are thermostatically controlled, it's extremely rare one changes
>> that setting. One should be able to buy a top of the line A/C unit
>> for a good sized bedroom for about $300. A larger than needed unit
>> wastes electric and won't properly dehumidify, a smaller then needed
>> unit will over work and shorten its life. One needs to choose a
>> correctly sized unit. The typical master bedroom in those older
>> houses would run near 250 sq ft, an 8,000 BTU unit would be quite
>> sufficient, especially considering one sleeps at night when it's dark
>> and a lot cooler outside. During daytime I'd strongly suggest one
>> draws the shades with a/c running.
>
> Dead on Sheldon.
>
> My *sunroom* with 2 glass walls is 12x13ft and outside the HVAC area so
> has a 10,000 BTU and it backfills coolness to the rest. THats the one
> with the patio door. Curtins are not optimal summer block back there.
>
> The other is an ancillary when the HVAC went out and we were pending
> repairs. I looked and it's 8,000 BTUs. We use it in the living room
> at need now but when the HVAC was out, it did a decent job of keeping
> us sane in a very large room hooked to an open kitchen and the hall.
> Best estimate is 10,000 square feet of room space. with no doors closed
> to our other 8,000 or so square feet of home.
>
> Optimal? No. Worakable? Yes.
>
> In areas where 85F is 'hot' this is a usable and simple fix for
> occasonal needs.

So is a swamp cooler. I have one. It's running. Ima go turn it off soon
as I'm actually getting too cold. It's over now. Let's all go back to
cooking. Please!

I won't be cooking today but on Sunday I will be making the ghetto
casseroles. That's my name for them. Meat and veg in gravy, topped with
biscuits. Yes! I will be baking. I will probably bake them in the wee
hours though because I never know for sure what hours husband is keeping and
for some reason he has been leaving just after lunch time and returning in
the middle of the night so... I will need it all made up. And this stuff
nukes quite well.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> > That's because there are no exterior walls! Dur!!!!
>>
>> I don't understand this. How does the house stand with no walls. Any
>> wall
>> that is not interior, is exterior.
>>
>> I am confused.
>
> She is just being extremely negative as always. And she ordered the
> least good option to solve her problem of heat. Where is the husband's
> input into this problem?

Why do I need his input? He has the front part of the house. The entire
living room, the bathroom and a bedroom. The front of the house is
perfectly cool. The back of the house is not. I bought this thing for *my*
part of the house. The four of us who use this part of the house are quite
pleased with the purchase.

Could you please just drop it now? I don't understand this need that you
and some others have here to try to *force* me to do things. In case you
haven't noticed, I am pretty damned stubborn. Nobody has gotten me yet to
do something that I don't want to do and they probably never will. Perhaps
you should go teach a pig to sing. You'd have better luck with it.

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 08:33:25 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>>Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>> > That's because there are no exterior walls! Dur!!!!
>>>
>>> I don't understand this. How does the house stand with no walls. Any
>>> wall
>>> that is not interior, is exterior.
>>>
>>> I am confused.
>>
>>She is just being extremely negative as always. And she ordered the
>>least good option to solve her problem of heat. Where is the husband's
>>input into this problem?
>
> Mr. Bove gave up on her many years ago... he probably has an A/C unit
> in HIS bedroom! LOL

He doesn't need it. That room is in the shade and perfectly cool.

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 19:21:31 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
>>Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>>>
>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> > On 7/9/2014 6:19 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> > >
>>> >>"Gary" > wrote in message
>>> > > ...
>>> > > > Julie Bove wrote:
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > "Doris Night" wrote:
>>> >>>>> Can you get those little window air conditioners where you
>>> live? > Where >>>>> I live in Ontario, it gets to about 85-90
>>> degrees at this time of the >>>>> summer, but we have a window unit
>>> in our bedroom, and it cools things >>>>> down quite nicely at night.
>>> I think they cost about $100.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > I wouldn't dare. I did have one. It didn't fit our windows.
>>> > > > > There is no
>>> > > > > real way to make the window secure with one of those units
>>> > > > > and our crime rate is high here. I also don't really have
>>> > > > > any way of venting a portable
>>> > > > > unit.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > I don't think you can get any units for that price here. The
>>> > > > > one that I got
>>> > > > > 10 years ago was around $300 and it was a small one.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Quit being so negative and just buy a small window unit, Julie.
>>> > > > It will fit your windows and that will vent it outside.
>>> > > > Only costs about $100. You still have about 2 more months of
>>> > > > hot, humid weather where you can't sleep at night and shop at
>>> > > > stores with ac when you could be staying in the comfort of your
>>> > > > own home.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > No high crime rate excuse either. A burgular will break into a
>>> > > > regular window or door before they break into the window with
>>> > > > an AC unit in it.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Buy one! NO EXCUSE is valid for this problem, Julie. And since
>>> > > > you won't need it often where you live, this one time buy
>>> > > > should last you 20 years or so.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > G.
>>> > >
>>> > > For GOD'S sake! I HAD one! I bought it on Cape Cod. It fit
>>> > > right into our window. It wouldn't fit any of our windows here.
>>> > > I gave it to my neighbor because she said it would fit in one of
>>> > > her windows. I think she was lying. Didn't look to me like it
>>> > > would fit I think she sold it. She moved away not long after.
>>> >
>>> > Lady, you can have a window unit installed with proper bracing
>>> > inexpensively pretty much anywhere.
>>> >
>>> Of course I could. But with this kind of huge sliding windows, it
>>> would require removing the side that slides and fitting it with a
>>> piece of plywood. I do not wish to look at a big piece of plywood
>>> nor do I want one in there. All it takes is for someone to push it
>>> in and come on in! Then come fall, we would have to take it all out
>>> or wind up freezing all winter because we have a huge hole covered by
>>> plywood and not double paned glass!
>>>
>>> > When my father was transferred to Bangkok he had window units
>>> > installed in the bedrooms of the house he rented for us. It was
>>> > hotter than Hades most of the year there. If they could do it in
>>> > Bangkok in 1969 you can bet your sweet bippy someone can install a
>>> > window AC unit in your house in Bothell, WA in 2014.
>>>
>>> I am not stupid. I know how to put in AC. I have said this many
>>> times before. I am not taking my windows out. I am not taking the
>>> hardware cloth off. I am not shoving plywood into my windows,
>>> venting anything through them or cutting a hole in the wall. Just
>>> freaking give it up!
>>>
>>> It may well have been hot enough in Bangkok to need AC but for most
>>> years, 363 days of of them there is no need at all for AC and on
>>> those other two it would be questionable.
>>>
>>> We do get random years, it would seem about every 5 of them where we
>>> do get 2-3 weeks where it is warmer than usual This seems to be one
>>> of them despite what the various almanacs said.
>>>
>>> Me getting AC would be just about as smart and feasible as me getting
>>> a snow plow because we get snow just about as often as we get hot
>>> weather!
>>
>>Bullshit call Julie. I have those windows and 2 patio doors plus a
>>french double door set.
>>
>>The patio and side by side sliding windows work fine.
>>
>>What made you think that a *portable* was a permanent install item?
>>It's used at need and stored when not in use.
>
> It's just as easy to install a window air conditioner in a
> sliding/casement window as a double hung... they're actually the same
> window only the slider is essentially a double hung laid on its
> side... I've done both. Sometimes the sill is not wide enough to
> support the a/c unit but there are simple to install bracket kits. Two
> summers ago I installed just such a unit for one of my elderly
> neighbors, took like thirty minutes and the only tool needed was a
> screwdriver.
> http://www.amazon.com/Safe-AC-160-Un...er+bracket+kit
> There are a/c units configured for slider/casement windows.
> http://www.amazon.com/Frigidaire-Cas...dp_ob_image_hi
> Julie is just too cheap to treat herself to A/C.

I do not want AC, Sheldon. Do not want!

"Leonard Blaisdell" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, Brooklyn1
> > wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 20:34:55 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>
>> >I have ordered a swamp cooler. It was supposed to come today but now
>> >they
>> >say tomorrow. So we'll see how it does.
>>
>> A disease generator.
>
> In general, Nah. You just have to live in a summer "low" humidity part
> of the country. I do, and the cost of reducing my interior temperature
> is negligible electricity. I'm running a one and a half horsepower
> motor all day when the temp is above 100F and 14 hours per day at 90F.
> Our humidity during hot times is less than twenty percent except during
> our scarce rainfall. I'm aware of Legionnaires' disease. Bad practices
> gave a bad rap on "evaporative" coolers. They give a 15 to 20 degree
> reduction in temp with low humidity and are really cheap to use.
> I'll bet a bunch of people here may have never heard of or seen one.
> They're not sold in high humidity areas.

Exactly. And it is working like a dream here!

"DreadfulBitch" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/10/2014 4:33 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 7/9/2014 10:57 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> And you bring up another issue. There is no possible way now to put in
>>>> a window unit now with the hardware cloth that has been installed over
>>>> the outside screen.
>>>
>>> WTF is "hardware cloth"?
>>
>> *sigh* It's a type of screen.
>
> WTF is with the *sigh*? You're asked what something is (that I've never
> heard of) and you *sigh*? WTF didn't you also add *rolls eyes*?
>
I can't help it that you've never heard of it. My dad built stuff. I knew
what it was when I was a kid! I knew what chicken wire was too. We used
plenty of things like that. We made frames of hardware cloth to put over
wheelbarrows to sift the soil for my vegetable garden each summer. Too many
rocks here to do otherwise.

"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>>
>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> >
>> >>On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 18:29:35 -0500, "cshenk" >
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> >>> We have 2 units like that. One has a home built extension and
>> fits >>> to a patio door to hold the exaust vent, the other fits a
>> standard >>> small window. When the HVAC died in 95F weather last
>> year, we >>> borrowed a small window unit for the only window we had
>> that could >>> take one easily (ours slide to the side but this one
>> is a standard >>> up and down and secure location at the back of the
>> house inside an >>> 8ft fenced yard).
>> > > >
>> >>> Running just one in the livingroom cut it to about 82F. Running
>> >>> all 3 with wise use of directional fans, cut the whole house to
>> 78F >>> even at the worst of the day.
>> > >
>> > > How did you block off the rest of the window? I don't see how it
>> > > would work with the window open letting warm air in.
>> >
>> > You only open it far enough for the vent which has an adustable
>> > plastic fitting that fits almost any window. You close the window
>> > up on that with holds it in. We made extensions for that for a
>> > patio door.
>> >
>> > Think about it. If you put a fan in a window, don't you close the
>> > fan to fit against it? Same idea.
>> >
>> No. You don't close the fan against it. The fan is open at the
>> back. And none of our fans go into the windows. They couldn't. Our
>> sills aren't wide enough to accomodate a fan.
>>
>> > The fittings are generally 5 inches wide and 14 inches long with
>> > extendable pieces that cover up to 36 inches. Some go further. You
>> > can orient them sideways or up and down depending on window type.
>>
>> 36" would not be long enough for our windows. I believe they are 45"
>> high.
>> >
>> > On the patio door one, we used some left over paneling to block the
>> > rest of the distance. It's all bolted togeter neatly so slides in
>> > as a single 5 ich wide part that you slide the door into to block
>> > bugs and the rest of the hot air outside away.
>> >
>> > I grant you the pictures of these sometimes omit the venting and
>> > make them look like they can sit in the middle of a room. They do
>> > have to be vented or they will not work right. The outer vent has
>> > very hot air (not burning, but hot). If you justran it with no
>> > venting, you'd not get any cooling.
>>
>> I have read several times online that there are ventless models.
>> They claim to be less effective because they blow hot air out the
>> back, back into your room, but they also claim to be better than a
>> fan. However, a search to buy such a unit turned up nothing.
>
> You arent listening Julie.
>
> We have one in a patio door, 72 inches. We didnt look for an adapator
> but made one.
>
>
> List the specific size of your window opening and i will look it up for
> you since google seems not your skill set. They come easity to handle
> 46 inches. It's 52 and more that are hard to get with the same kit.

*You're* not listening. I do not want an air conditioner of any kind. I do
not want to amend anything. I do not want anything jury rigged in this
house. There was enough jury rigged stuff in here when we bought it and I
am working hard to get rid of all that.

I don't know where you live. I don't know your climate. I do know the
climate here and the swamp cooler that I have running is very effective and
we love it.

I am also not the only one in this area who goes out in search of AC in
places when it is hot. It is what we do! Just like drinking coffee at a
young age. We also go out in public in pajamas and all sorts of other
things that people in other areas don't do.

I lived in PA for a while and a lot of what they do there would not fly over
here.

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 20:34:55 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"cshenk" > wrote in message
om...
>>> Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>> > On Wed, 9 Jul 2014 20:30:32 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > > That made no sense to me either. And I simply can't have a
>>>> > > portable unit because I have no way to securely vent it outside.
>>>> > > I can't do it out a window and can't think of a wall space where
>>>> > > it could be done. Nor would I want to put a hole in my wall
>>>> > > because as I said, most years it would never get used!
>>>> >
>>>> > Why are you disregarding the floor unit type? It is not dependent
>>>> > on being in a window. My DD had one (similar to what Jill posted)
>>>> > in the living room of an 800 square foot house. Your house is a
>>>> > lot bigger with an open floor plan, so you have plenty of space to
>>>> > find a place to put one somewhere.
>>>>
>>>> As I have said countless times. Those need to be vented outside.
>>>> The usual way is to open a window and vent it out there. Not an
>>>> option for me. You can't have a screen and/or hardware cloth over
>>>> the window to do that. I also fail to see how that would work with
>>>> the large windows that I have even if I were willing to do that. The
>>>> window would still be open from nearly top to bottom and that would
>>>> just let the hot air in.
>>>>
>>>> If you don't do that, you then have to cut a hole in the wall. I
>>>> don't want a hole cut in my wall for something we might go for 2
>>>> years without using at all.
>>>>
>>>> Our house is 1700 sq. ft.
>>>
>>> Julie, They work fine through screens. Also whatever the cloth is you
>>> put up. if air flows through, you vent it there just fine. You can pull
>>> them out at night because they are not a permanent install.
>>>
>>> We have 2 units like that. One has a home built extension and fits to
>>> a patio door to hold the exaust vent, the other fits a standard small
>>> window. When the HVAC died in 95F weather last year, we borrowed a
>>> small window unit for the only window we had that could take one easily
>>> (ours slide to the side but this one is a standard up and down and
>>> secure location at the back of the house inside an 8ft fenced yard).
>>>
>>> Running just one in the livingroom cut it to about 82F. Running all 3
>>> with wise use of directional fans, cut the whole house to 78F even at
>>> the worst of the day.
>>>
>>> I'm 1,980 sqft here. I've since finished off the garage so am about
>>> 2,300 sqft but we haven't upgraded the HVAC yet to keep up with that so
>>> use 2 portables for ancillary cooling on the hottest days.
>>>
>>> May I suggest it's more functional to look to how to solve a problem
>>> than why you cant solve it?
>>
>>It's people HERE who are saying it is a problem! I am saying that it's
>>*not* a problem but everyone is trying to make it one.
>>People here generally do not *want* AC.
>
> Sour grapes/cheapo *******s.
>
>>I have ordered a swamp cooler. It was supposed to come today but now they
>>say tomorrow. So we'll see how it does.
>
> A disease generator.

Wrong.

"Earl" > wrote in message
...
> jmcquown wrote:
>> On 7/9/2014 10:57 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> And you bring up another issue. There is no possible way now to put in
>>> a window unit now with the hardware cloth that has been installed over
>>> the outside screen.
>>
>> WTF is "hardware cloth"?
>>
>> Jill
> About 6,650,000 results on Google.

Hehehehehehe.

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 14:47:47 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
> wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 14:31:23 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Gary" > wrote in message
...
>>>>> Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > That's because there are no exterior walls! Dur!!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't understand this. How does the house stand with no walls.
>>>>>> Any
>>>>>> wall
>>>>>> that is not interior, is exterior.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am confused.
>>>>>
>>>>> She is just being extremely negative as always. And she ordered the
>>>>> least good option to solve her problem of heat. Where is the husband's
>>>>> input into this problem?
>>>>
>>>>She did explain and I understood it. The rooms she refers to are
>>>>internal
>>>>rooms. There are other rooms surrounding them.
>>>
>>> As I pointed out, one of those free standing a/c units work anywhere,
>>> given you have electicity of course lol
>>
>>My confusion lay in her description of rooms with no outside walls.
>
> It's still not a reason why she can't have air conditioning in there.

I can't say I'm bothered about that. She will have whatever she wants. I
just hadn't understand the description of her rooms

--
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"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> On one side of the living room is the garage and the other is a bedroom.
>>> The bathroom that is next to the other bedroom on that side of the house
>>> has no exterior walls either.
>>
>> Ok, understood now.
>
> Oh good. After I wrote it all out it was starting not to make sense to
> even me.
>
> The only other person I know who has a house as weird as mine is my
> friend. Her house is actually designed like a squared off donut. Once she
> was in hysterics because she had an assortment of cats and dogs in the
> house. Some hers and some her visitor's. They all began chasing each
> other and going around and around in circles until they were worn out.
> Fortunately they were small animals. She said it was one of the funniest
> things she had ever seen!
>
> Her kitchen is actually smack in the middle of her house. Or part of it
> anyway. That part is almost identical to my kitchen in size, shape and
> arrangement. But there is a doorway that goes back to the laundry room
> and on the other side of that is the rest of the kitchen which contains a
> built in cupboard and a very small eating area. That part I don't have.
>
> There is an exterior door into her laundry room but the other end of it is
> open so you just go from there into where the bedrooms are and then around
> into the living room and on back through to the kitchen.

It is fairly difficult for me to visualise in a house. I've seen offices
like that though. Every room in my house has a window.

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"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 14:47:47 +0100, "Ophelia"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
> wrote in message
...
>>>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 14:31:23 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Gary" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>> Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > That's because there are no exterior walls! Dur!!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't understand this. How does the house stand with no walls.
>>>>>>> Any
>>>>>>> wall
>>>>>>> that is not interior, is exterior.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am confused.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> She is just being extremely negative as always. And she ordered the
>>>>>> least good option to solve her problem of heat. Where is the
>>>>>> husband's
>>>>>> input into this problem?
>>>>>
>>>>>She did explain and I understood it. The rooms she refers to are
>>>>>internal
>>>>>rooms. There are other rooms surrounding them.
>>>>
>>>> As I pointed out, one of those free standing a/c units work anywhere,
>>>> given you have electicity of course lol
>>>
>>>My confusion lay in her description of rooms with no outside walls.
>>
>> It's still not a reason why she can't have air conditioning in there.
>
> I can't say I'm bothered about that. She will have whatever she wants. I
> just hadn't understand the description of her rooms

What I don't understand is why people here do not understand that I do not
*want* air conditioning. I don't like the looks of it. I don't like the
feel of it. Yes, I have had it before.

Most people here just don't want it in our homes. We do want it in
businesses. We don't always get it.

For instance, the place where I bought my car has it in the showroom. But
they don't have it in the parts department or the waiting room for the
repair service.

Most smaller restaurants don't have it and that can be a pain on a hot day.
I was very shocked a few years ago when we tried out a Mexican place in
Woodinville. It was huge and the front doors were shut so I assumed that
they had it. Only after we had been seated did I realize that it did not.
There were ceiling fans but no way to draw in cool air. I did not enjoy
that meal much. Just ate in a hurry and got out of there. The food was
very good and it was also crowded.

Tonight we ate at Bob's Burger and Brew. The three of us could have easily
split one meal (except that none of us like the same foods) and have had
plenty leftover.

I was shocked to see that people were eating outside by choice. One couple
couldn't take it though and came inside.

We really don't get a lot of hot weather here. So when we do, some people
like to revel in it. I'm not one of them.

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>>
>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> On one side of the living room is the garage and the other is a
>>>> bedroom.
>>>> The bathroom that is next to the other bedroom on that side of the
>>>> house
>>>> has no exterior walls either.
>>>
>>> Ok, understood now.
>>
>> Oh good. After I wrote it all out it was starting not to make sense to
>> even me.
>>
>> The only other person I know who has a house as weird as mine is my
>> friend. Her house is actually designed like a squared off donut. Once
>> she
>> was in hysterics because she had an assortment of cats and dogs in the
>> house. Some hers and some her visitor's. They all began chasing each
>> other and going around and around in circles until they were worn out.
>> Fortunately they were small animals. She said it was one of the funniest
>> things she had ever seen!
>>
>> Her kitchen is actually smack in the middle of her house. Or part of it
>> anyway. That part is almost identical to my kitchen in size, shape and
>> arrangement. But there is a doorway that goes back to the laundry room
>> and on the other side of that is the rest of the kitchen which contains a
>> built in cupboard and a very small eating area. That part I don't have.
>>
>> There is an exterior door into her laundry room but the other end of it
>> is
>> open so you just go from there into where the bedrooms are and then
>> around
>> into the living room and on back through to the kitchen.
>
> It is fairly difficult for me to visualise in a house. I've seen offices
> like that though. Every room in my house has a window.

Yeah. Her house and mine were remodeled by Filipinos who knew nothing about
house remodeling. The similarities of our houses is amazing. Both houses
have had a lot of things wrong with them and perhaps these families were
related because they were very big into rocks and oddly elevated plantings.

Our yards do look good. I will say that. Perhaps the former tenants spent
more time in the yard than in the house. I don't know.

And after seeing what they did, I think it might be best just to buy a house
that suits your purposes and not try to go bigger with what you have.

I lived in one other house that had a garage converted into a bedroom. That
wasn't actually too bad unless it was winter as there was no heat in there
whatever. My friend's house has the converted garage too and she has to
sleep in it.

I don't turn my bedroom heat on very often at all. Mainly only if someone is
sick and chilling. But at least my room is well insulated. Those converted
rooms have no insulation at all. Ice would form on the insides of the
windows.

In article >, says...

> What I don't understand is why people here do not understand that I do not
> *want* air conditioning.
>
They offered you other solutions, all of which you rubbished for one crazed
reason after another.

The only mystery here is why anybody ever believes a word you post from that
tiny/huge hot/cool windowless hovel where crime security is such an issue even a
raccoon can break in.

Janet UK

"janet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, says...
>
>> What I don't understand is why people here do not understand that I do
>> not
>> *want* air conditioning.
>>
> They offered you other solutions, all of which you rubbished for one
> crazed
> reason after another.
>
Yes. They offered me solutions. Did I ask for any? No!

The way I see it... It's summer. Summer is supposed to be hot. It isn't
always hot here. In fact it rarely is. But that doesn't mean that I have
to find some sort of remedy for it. The climate is doing what it is
supposed to be doing.

So I didn't sleep well. I don't sleep well with AC either. I didn't sleep
well for one night. And how many nights ago was this? And yet people are
still going on about it. People who don't live here.

People who live here and have been here for a very long time or are from
here, do the same that I do. They might complain of heat when we have it.
Mainly because we're just not used to it. As I said, I had the heat on last
summer. I was wearing flannel to bed and thermal shirts during the day. It
was that cold for most of the summer.

Maybe the rest of the country doesn't do what we do here. And maybe you
don't there. But we do these things here. We've done them for years and
we'll continue to do them.

So we go out to the movies or out to eat or do some shopping that we
wouldn't normally do. Maybe we go to a museum. Maybe we really just want
an excuse to do these things! I don't normally and/or willingly go to the
movies. I did go for a few years because Angela and my parents wanted to
go. But it is still nice once in a while to take a break from the routine
and do something different. Heat like this rather forces us to do so.

I know it is common in some places for people to go to the beach when it is
hot. We could do that here. But our beaches are really pretty cold even in
hot weather. And I'm just not a beach person.

Some people go on vacation in the summer. Somewhere else. I don't do that.
I don't want to do that. Probably not ever again. I've had enough
vacations. And just like fireworks, I'd just as soon see some videos or
shows or read about other places. I don't need to go there.

> The only mystery here is why anybody ever believes a word you post from
> that
> tiny/huge hot/cool windowless hovel where crime security is such an issue
> even a
> raccoon can break in.

The only thing huge about this house is my bathroom. I have posted links
about the climate in this area and how people here feel about AC.

And it would seem that the conclusion is... People from elsewhere feel the
need to have
AC. Apparently some people feel the need to have a consistent temperature
indoors all the time. I'm not one of them and really that seems like an odd
notion to me. We have four seasons here. Not as drastic as seasons in
other places. Like Pennsylvania. But still all four are in some way
different from each other. That's just the way it is.

I don't think a single person here who has commented on this, lives here at
all. Is there anyone else here but tert in Seattle? Where is he when we
need him. Oh! I shall ping him . K?

> wrote in message

>>It is fairly difficult for me to visualise in a house. I've seen offices
>>like that though. Every room in my house has a window.
>
> Many old Spanish houses have inner rooms. My parents had a lovely old
> farmhouse in Menorca, built entirely of stone so in the winter those
> inner rooms were much more snug. They had a winter bedroom and a
> summer bedroom

Very nice)
--
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janet wrote:
>
> In article >, says...
>
> > What I don't understand is why people here do not understand that I do not
> > *want* air conditioning.
> >
> They offered you other solutions, all of which you rubbished for one crazed
> reason after another.

She complained about the heat more than once too. First a few weeks
ago and no one here commented. Then this past week she complained more
including she couldn't sleep at night and was going out shopping just
to stay cool in the store's AC. This is when people offered solutions
but as you said, she discounted every idea that came in.

Won't fit windows, too many windows, furniture covering all available
space, no outlets near a window, house is built all wrong, no exterior
walls, no way to vent an indoor unit.

And then when she runs out of excuses, she claims that she hates AC
and didn't want it.

Julie, I'm glad that your swamp thing works but you should have just
said from the beginning that you don't want AC. They we all would have
just said, "Then quit complaining about the heat."

G.

On 7/12/2014 8:00 AM, Gary wrote:
> janet wrote:
>>
>> In article >, says...
>>
>>> What I don't understand is why people here do not understand that I do not
>>> *want* air conditioning.
>>>
>> They offered you other solutions, all of which you rubbished for one crazed
>> reason after another.
>
> She complained about the heat more than once too. First a few weeks
> ago and no one here commented. Then this past week she complained more
> including she couldn't sleep at night and was going out shopping just
> to stay cool in the store's AC. This is when people offered solutions
> but as you said, she discounted every idea that came in.
>
> Won't fit windows, too many windows, furniture covering all available
> space, no outlets near a window, house is built all wrong, no exterior
> walls, no way to vent an indoor unit.
>
> And then when she runs out of excuses, she claims that she hates AC
> and didn't want it.......
>
> Julie, I'm glad that your swamp thing works but you should have just
> said from the beginning that you don't want AC. They we all would have
> just said, "Then quit complaining about the heat."

Welcome to the very-vast "worlds of too inconsistencies and idiotic
bovinisms" (aka, lame excuses) and more that it (aka, bovine)
pathetically espouses! it's so lame & more...... ad nauseum, etc. !







Sky

On 7/12/2014 3:46 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "DreadfulBitch" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 7/10/2014 4:33 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 7/9/2014 10:57 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>> And you bring up another issue. There is no possible way now to
>>>>> put in
>>>>> a window unit now with the hardware cloth that has been installed over
>>>>> the outside screen.
>>>>
>>>> WTF is "hardware cloth"?
>>>
>>> *sigh* It's a type of screen.
>>
>> WTF is with the *sigh*? You're asked what something is (that I've
>> never heard of) and you *sigh*? WTF didn't you also add *rolls eyes*?
>>
> I can't help it that you've never heard of it. My dad built stuff. I
> knew what it was when I was a kid! I knew what chicken wire was too.
> We used plenty of things like that. We made frames of hardware cloth to
> put over wheelbarrows to sift the soil for my vegetable garden each
> summer. Too many rocks here to do otherwise.

*rolls eyes*

--
DreadfulBitch

I'm a nobody, nobody is perfect, therefore I'm perfect.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> janet wrote:
>>
>> In article >, says...
>>
>> > What I don't understand is why people here do not understand that I do
>> > not
>> > *want* air conditioning.
>> >
>> They offered you other solutions, all of which you rubbished for one
>> crazed
>> reason after another.
>
> She complained about the heat more than once too. First a few weeks
> ago and no one here commented. Then this past week she complained more
> including she couldn't sleep at night and was going out shopping just
> to stay cool in the store's AC. This is when people offered solutions
> but as you said, she discounted every idea that came in.

I don't know that I was complaining. I did mention it and I did say that we
were going to do that. That's pretty much what everyone here does when it
gets hot.
>
> Won't fit windows, too many windows, furniture covering all available
> space, no outlets near a window, house is built all wrong, no exterior
> walls, no way to vent an indoor unit.
>
> And then when she runs out of excuses, she claims that she hates AC
> and didn't want it.

And I didn't want it! For many reasons. One of which being that I don't
want to stuck something in the window, even if it is a tube.
>
> Julie, I'm glad that your swamp thing works but you should have just
> said from the beginning that you don't want AC. They we all would have
> just said, "Then quit complaining about the heat."

I tried to. Nobody was listening and it wouldn't have helped what I said.

On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 09:00:25 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Julie, I'm glad that your swamp thing works but you should have just
>said from the beginning that you don't want AC. They we all would have
>just said, "Then quit complaining about the heat."

You understand the 'game' yet. No fun in that!