"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
news
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> Sorry. There is really no way to get AC here. SIL had mentioned
>>> ductless. /but
>>> I don't think that would work either. There is some sort of big heavy
>>> unit that goes outside and there is no place to put that. Plus I don't
>>> know where the AC unit or units would go in the house. Our house design
>>> is such that there isn't much free wall space. It's all taken up with
>>> windows and doors.
>>
>>There is always a way to AC. Thru the wall under a window or over a
>>door, modify a window, add ducts, etc. It is also possible to secure
>>one in a window.
>
> The unit that goes outside requires very little space, if one has any
> type of yard then there is plenty of room requires the space of a
> trash can), and for commercial buildings it usually goes on the roof.
> Window units can be easily installed through the wall, I had those at
> my last house until I realized that central A/C would be significantly
> less expensive to run. There are always several ways to install
> central a/c... people make up all kinds of excuses not to have A/C
> ONLY because they don't want to spend the money.

There is a large deck that wraps around two sides of the house. I don't
think the deck would hold it. The other side of the house has only about 3
feet of grass and I don't think units like that are allowed in the front
yard. But at any rate, we have no ducts in here and I don't know how a
ductless one would work.

I know that window units can be installed through a wall but we don't have
such a wall. Our walls are all taken up with windows and furniture.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/7/2014 5:50 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> t's somewhere around 80 and we're suffering here. I was up until
>> something like 8:00 a.m., unable to sleep. Tried to sleep on the couch
>> because there is a ceiling fan above it but it seems that all it did was
>> blow warm air on me. Not liking this. Supposed to only get hotter and
>> stay that way for over a week.
>
> Did it ever occur to you to invest in air conditioning? Even a window
> unit would help cool down a couple of rooms.

How many times must I say this and for how many years? There isn't a way to
put AC in here. Nobody on our street has it. It's the way these houses are
designed. Heck, many businesses here don't even have it because most of the
time it isn't needed.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/7/2014 10:24 PM, Doris Night wrote:
>> On Mon, 7 Jul 2014 14:50:09 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> It's somewhere around 80 and we're suffering here. I was up until
>>> something
>>> like 8:00 a.m., unable to sleep. Tried to sleep on the couch because
>>> there
>>> is a ceiling fan above it but it seems that all it did was blow warm air
>>> on
>>> me. Not liking this. Supposed to only get hotter and stay that way for
>>> over a week.
>>
>> Can you get those little window air conditioners where you live? Where
>> I live in Ontario, it gets to about 85-90 degrees at this time of the
>> summer, but we have a window unit in our bedroom, and it cools things
>> down quite nicely at night. I think they cost about $100.
>>
>> Doris
>>
> They are very inexpensive. You can even find used *working* window units
> on Craigslist. There will be some reason she can't do it. <sigh>

Two reasons. No plug in and won't work with the design of our windows. I
*had* one. I gave it away because it wouldn't work with our windows.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 09 Jul 2014 09:53:24 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 7/7/2014 10:24 PM, Doris Night wrote:
>> > On Mon, 7 Jul 2014 14:50:09 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> It's somewhere around 80 and we're suffering here. I was up until
>> >> something
>> >> like 8:00 a.m., unable to sleep. Tried to sleep on the couch because
>> >> there
>> >> is a ceiling fan above it but it seems that all it did was blow warm
>> >> air on
>> >> me. Not liking this. Supposed to only get hotter and stay that way
>> >> for
>> >> over a week.
>> >
>> > Can you get those little window air conditioners where you live? Where
>> > I live in Ontario, it gets to about 85-90 degrees at this time of the
>> > summer, but we have a window unit in our bedroom, and it cools things
>> > down quite nicely at night. I think they cost about $100.
>> >
>> > Doris
>> >
>> They are very inexpensive. You can even find used *working* window
>> units on Craigslist. There will be some reason she can't do it. <sigh>
>>
> You can buy window units for $50 on sale, but stand alone room air
> conditioners are more expensive and begin around $300. Personally,
> I'd get a ductless unit if it was an issue - but in reality a fan
> works just fine when the temps hit 80° at my house (I need moving
> air). If it was any hotter on a regular basis, I'd be spending real
> money to fix the problem.

It's certainly not hotter than that or even that on a regular basis here.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/8/2014 1:54 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Cheryl" > wrote in message
>> b.com...
>>> On 7/7/2014 5:50 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's somewhere around 80 and we're suffering here. I was up until
>>>> something like 8:00 a.m., unable to sleep. Tried to sleep on the couch
>>>> because there is a ceiling fan above it but it seems that all it did
>>>> was
>>>> blow warm air on me. Not liking this. Supposed to only get hotter and
>>>> stay that way for over a week.
>>>
>>> Heh! It's going to be close to 100F for the next 2 days. We can't
>>> live without AC here, or those who don't have it must be miserable.
>>> It's still in the upper 80s here, even though the sun has gone down.
>>> We're just going into our hottest time of the year, and usually with
>>> no rain unless it's hurricane remnants.
>>
>> No AC here. My mom does have it so if things get really bad we could go
>> there. Bro has it too but rarely anyone ever home at his house.
>
> Julie, you really do make simple things difficult. There's always a
> reason you can't find a solution to a problem. You just don't try.

Nonsense. You don't live here. You don't know. Most people do not have
AC. Most summers it wouldn't be necessary at all.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> It's somewhere around 80 and we're suffering here. I was up until
>> something
>> like 8:00 a.m., unable to sleep. Tried to sleep on the couch because
>> there
>> is a ceiling fan above it but it seems that all it did was blow warm air
>> on
>> me. Not liking this. Supposed to only get hotter and stay that way for
>> over a week.
>
> Buy a small window ac unit. Only about $100. It will be great for a
> room to hang out in and will even cool down a small house if your
> square footage isn't much. Not only do they cool, but they remove the
> humidity from your air. It will be the best Benjamin you've ever
> spent. If you can't sleep at night, BUY ONE and NO EXCUSES this time,
> Julie.

I have said this again and again. Will not work with our windows. I gave
away the one that we had. It simply would not work here!

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Doris Night" wrote:
>> > Can you get those little window air conditioners where you live? Where
>> > I live in Ontario, it gets to about 85-90 degrees at this time of the
>> > summer, but we have a window unit in our bedroom, and it cools things
>> > down quite nicely at night. I think they cost about $100.
>>
>> I wouldn't dare. I did have one. It didn't fit our windows. There is
>> no
>> real way to make the window secure with one of those units and our crime
>> rate is high here. I also don't really have any way of venting a
>> portable
>> unit.
>>
>> I don't think you can get any units for that price here. The one that I
>> got
>> 10 years ago was around $300 and it was a small one.
>
> Quit being so negative and just buy a small window unit, Julie.
> It will fit your windows and that will vent it outside.
> Only costs about $100. You still have about 2 more months of hot,
> humid weather where you can't sleep at night and shop at stores with
> ac when you could be staying in the comfort of your own home.
>
> No high crime rate excuse either. A burgular will break into a
> regular window or door before they break into the window with an AC
> unit in it.
>
> Buy one! NO EXCUSE is valid for this problem, Julie. And since you
> won't need it often where you live, this one time buy should last you
> 20 years or so.
>
> G.

For GOD'S sake! I HAD one! I bought it on Cape Cod. It fit right into our
window. It wouldn't fit any of our windows here. I gave it to my neighbor
because she said it would fit in one of her windows. I think she was lying.
Didn't look to me like it would fit I think she sold it. She moved away
not long after.

On 7/9/2014 11:42 AM, Robert wrote:
> "Julie Bove" wrote in message ...
>
>
>
>> I would never put one in a window here. That's a sure way to get
>> robbed. All they have to do is pop it out and come on in. Plus due to
>> the design of this house, you'd only be able to cool the one room.
>> This house was remodeled and is really long from front to back with
>> the entire middle section being windowless and having no exterior
>> walls. It's a very odd layout.
>>
>> There is also no way to put one through the wall under a window
>> because the heaters are under the windows. They are baseboard. We
>> also don't have windows that are the same. Some come down pretty
>> low. Some are up pretty high but there is furniture in front of
>> them. The rooms are all very small with the exception of my bedroom
>> and my bathroom.
>>
>
> Here you go, cheap and no window needed.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaC0dlRENk0
>
>
> Robert

That's a pretty fancy swamp cooler! I would suggest much more simple: a
big tin foil turkey roasting pan, a big bag of ice and an electric table
fan. That's red-neck air conditioning 101.

Jill

On 7/9/2014 6:19 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Gary" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> "Doris Night" wrote:
>>> > Can you get those little window air conditioners where you live? Where
>>> > I live in Ontario, it gets to about 85-90 degrees at this time of the
>>> > summer, but we have a window unit in our bedroom, and it cools things
>>> > down quite nicely at night. I think they cost about $100.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't dare. I did have one. It didn't fit our windows. There
>>> is no
>>> real way to make the window secure with one of those units and our crime
>>> rate is high here. I also don't really have any way of venting a
>>> portable
>>> unit.
>>>
>>> I don't think you can get any units for that price here. The one
>>> that I got
>>> 10 years ago was around $300 and it was a small one.
>>
>> Quit being so negative and just buy a small window unit, Julie.
>> It will fit your windows and that will vent it outside.
>> Only costs about $100. You still have about 2 more months of hot,
>> humid weather where you can't sleep at night and shop at stores with
>> ac when you could be staying in the comfort of your own home.
>>
>> No high crime rate excuse either. A burgular will break into a
>> regular window or door before they break into the window with an AC
>> unit in it.
>>
>> Buy one! NO EXCUSE is valid for this problem, Julie. And since you
>> won't need it often where you live, this one time buy should last you
>> 20 years or so.
>>
>> G.
>
> For GOD'S sake! I HAD one! I bought it on Cape Cod. It fit right into
> our window. It wouldn't fit any of our windows here. I gave it to my
> neighbor because she said it would fit in one of her windows. I think
> she was lying. Didn't look to me like it would fit I think she sold
> it. She moved away not long after.

Lady, you can have a window unit installed with proper bracing
inexpensively pretty much *anywhere*.

When my father was transferred to Bangkok he had window units installed
in the bedrooms of the house he rented for us. It was hotter than Hades
most of the year there. If they could do it in Bangkok in 1969 you can
bet your sweet bippy someone can install a window AC unit in your house
in Bothell, WA in 2014.

Jill

On 7/9/2014 6:14 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 7/7/2014 5:50 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> t's somewhere around 80 and we're suffering here. I was up until
>>> something like 8:00 a.m., unable to sleep. Tried to sleep on the couch
>>> because there is a ceiling fan above it but it seems that all it did was
>>> blow warm air on me. Not liking this. Supposed to only get hotter and
>>> stay that way for over a week.
>>
>> Did it ever occur to you to invest in air conditioning? Even a window
>> unit would help cool down a couple of rooms.
>
> How many times must I say this and for how many years? There isn't a
> way to put AC in here. Nobody on our street has it. It's the way these
> houses are designed. Heck, many businesses here don't even have it
> because most of the time it isn't needed.

You're the one who bought the completely weird house. I don't care if
anyone on your street has AC. You're bitching about how hot it is.
People are offering possible solutions. Oh, and many business don't
have it, yet you said you went shopping to take *advantage* of their AC.
You have choices, you simply don't choose to make or take them.

Jill

On Wed, 9 Jul 2014 15:12:57 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>> The unit that goes outside requires very little space, if one has any
>> type of yard then there is plenty of room requires the space of a
>> trash can), and for commercial buildings it usually goes on the roof.
>> Window units can be easily installed through the wall, I had those at
>> my last house until I realized that central A/C would be significantly
>> less expensive to run. There are always several ways to install
>> central a/c... people make up all kinds of excuses not to have A/C
>> ONLY because they don't want to spend the money.
>
>There is a large deck that wraps around two sides of the house. I don't
>think the deck would hold it.

So put it underneath the deck. Yes, you *can* make it fit. And if your
deck won't hold it... then your deck should be condemned anyway.

>The other side of the house has only about 3
>feet of grass and I don't think units like that are allowed in the front
>yard. But at any rate, we have no ducts in here and I don't know how a
>ductless one would work.

So... put some ducts in???

>I know that window units can be installed through a wall but we don't have
>such a wall.

Right. Bove walls ain't like no other walls...

>Our walls are all taken up with windows and furniture.

So duct it through the ceiling, duh.
Or use a window. Or get rid of a piece of furniture.

I love it

On Wed, 09 Jul 2014 18:53:27 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 7/9/2014 6:19 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Gary" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> Buy one! NO EXCUSE is valid for this problem, Julie. And since you
>>> won't need it often where you live, this one time buy should last you
>>> 20 years or so.
>>
>> For GOD'S sake! I HAD one! I bought it on Cape Cod. It fit right into
>> our window. It wouldn't fit any of our windows here. I gave it to my
>> neighbor because she said it would fit in one of her windows. I think
>> she was lying. Didn't look to me like it would fit I think she sold
>> it. She moved away not long after.

Damn. I never realised air-cons only come in one size, and will only
fit one sized window. Somebody should really do something about that
some day.

>Lady, you can have a window unit installed with proper bracing
>inexpensively pretty much *anywhere*.
>
>When my father was transferred to Bangkok he had window units installed
>in the bedrooms of the house he rented for us. It was hotter than Hades
>most of the year there. If they could do it in Bangkok in 1969 you can
>bet your sweet bippy someone can install a window AC unit in your house
>in Bothell, WA in 2014.

Heh

On Wed, 09 Jul 2014 19:00:01 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 7/9/2014 6:14 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 7/7/2014 5:50 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> t's somewhere around 80 and we're suffering here. I was up until
>>>> something like 8:00 a.m., unable to sleep. Tried to sleep on the couch
>>>> because there is a ceiling fan above it but it seems that all it did was
>>>> blow warm air on me. Not liking this. Supposed to only get hotter and
>>>> stay that way for over a week.
>>>
>>> Did it ever occur to you to invest in air conditioning? Even a window
>>> unit would help cool down a couple of rooms.
>>
>> How many times must I say this and for how many years? There isn't a
>> way to put AC in here. Nobody on our street has it. It's the way these
>> houses are designed. Heck, many businesses here don't even have it
>> because most of the time it isn't needed.
>
>You're the one who bought the completely weird house. I don't care if
>anyone on your street has AC. You're bitching about how hot it is.
>People are offering possible solutions. Oh, and many business don't
>have it, yet you said you went shopping to take *advantage* of their AC.

LOL. I don't care *how* weird Julie's house is, there's always a way
to install air conditioning.

>You have choices, you simply don't choose to make or take them.

That would spoil her recreation time if she did that.

On Wed, 9 Jul 2014 15:17:25 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> I have said this again and again. Will not work with our windows. I gave
> away the one that we had. It simply would not work here!

It sounds like you have casement windows instead of double hung. Why
don't you just say so?

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

On Wed, 9 Jul 2014 15:17:25 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Gary" > wrote in message ...
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> It's somewhere around 80 and we're suffering here. I was up until
>>> something
>>> like 8:00 a.m., unable to sleep. Tried to sleep on the couch because
>>> there
>>> is a ceiling fan above it but it seems that all it did was blow warm air
>>> on
>>> me. Not liking this. Supposed to only get hotter and stay that way for
>>> over a week.
>>
>> Buy a small window ac unit. Only about $100. It will be great for a
>> room to hang out in and will even cool down a small house if your
>> square footage isn't much. Not only do they cool, but they remove the
>> humidity from your air. It will be the best Benjamin you've ever
>> spent. If you can't sleep at night, BUY ONE and NO EXCUSES this time,
>> Julie.
>
>I have said this again and again. Will not work with our windows. I gave
>away the one that we had. It simply would not work here!

Quit telling stories.

On Wed, 9 Jul 2014 15:14:55 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
>> On 7/7/2014 10:24 PM, Doris Night wrote:
>>> On Mon, 7 Jul 2014 14:50:09 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's somewhere around 80 and we're suffering here. I was up until
>>>> something
>>>> like 8:00 a.m., unable to sleep. Tried to sleep on the couch because
>>>> there
>>>> is a ceiling fan above it but it seems that all it did was blow warm air
>>>> on
>>>> me. Not liking this. Supposed to only get hotter and stay that way for
>>>> over a week.
>>>
>>> Can you get those little window air conditioners where you live? Where
>>> I live in Ontario, it gets to about 85-90 degrees at this time of the
>>> summer, but we have a window unit in our bedroom, and it cools things
>>> down quite nicely at night. I think they cost about $100.
>>>
>>> Doris
>>>
>> They are very inexpensive. You can even find used *working* window units
>> on Craigslist. There will be some reason she can't do it. <sigh>
>
>Two reasons. No plug in and won't work with the design of our windows. I
>*had* one. I gave it away because it wouldn't work with our windows.

You have no electrical outlets in your house?!!? I've never heard of
that before!

Oh...you mean you have no outlets *under the windows*. Then get a
frigging *extension cord* ferchrisake!

Doris

On Wed, 09 Jul 2014 16:47:05 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Wed, 9 Jul 2014 15:17:25 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>
>> I have said this again and again. Will not work with our windows. I gave
>> away the one that we had. It simply would not work here!
>
>It sounds like you have casement windows instead of double hung. Why
>don't you just say so?

You know, in the great scheme of things, it shouldn't matter if she
has casement windows or sliders or crenels or some other strange type
of window that none of us has had experience with.

Windows can be replaced, and it isn't a difficult or expensive thing
to do.

My husband has personally, with assistance only from moi, replaced two
of the windows in our house. I think the replacement windows cost
~$150-200, and they took about an hour to install.

So, there you go - $200 for a new window suitable for an air
conditioner, $100 for the air conditioner, and Voila! You have a nice
cool room to relax in.

Oh, and $15 for the extension cord because Julie's rooms apparently
have no electrical outlets.

Doris

On Wed, 09 Jul 2014 22:09:47 -0400, Doris Night
> wrote:

> On Wed, 09 Jul 2014 16:47:05 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 9 Jul 2014 15:17:25 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I have said this again and again. Will not work with our windows. I gave
> >> away the one that we had. It simply would not work here!
> >
> >It sounds like you have casement windows instead of double hung. Why
> >don't you just say so?
>
> You know, in the great scheme of things, it shouldn't matter if she
> has casement windows or sliders or crenels or some other strange type
> of window that none of us has had experience with.
>
> Windows can be replaced, and it isn't a difficult or expensive thing
> to do.
>
> My husband has personally, with assistance only from moi, replaced two
> of the windows in our house. I think the replacement windows cost
> ~$150-200, and they took about an hour to install.
>
> So, there you go - $200 for a new window suitable for an air
> conditioner, $100 for the air conditioner, and Voila! You have a nice
> cool room to relax in.

Why would she spend $200-600 per replacement window when she has
already said she's not going to spend $300+ on a portable air
conditioning unit?
>
> Oh, and $15 for the extension cord because Julie's rooms apparently
> have no electrical outlets.
>
> Doris


--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

"jinx the minx" > wrote in message
...
> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>>
>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 7/8/2014 5:50 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Sorry. There is really no way to get AC here. SIL had mentioned
>>>>> ductless. /but
>>>>> I don't think that would work either. There is some sort of big heavy
>>>>> unit that goes outside and there is no place to put that. Plus I
>>>>> don't
>>>>> know where the AC unit or units would go in the house. Our house
>>>>> design
>>>>> is such that there isn't much free wall space. It's all taken up with
>>>>> windows and doors.
>>>>
>>>> There is always a way to AC. Thru the wall under a window or over a >>
>>>> door,
>>>> modify a window, add ducts, etc. It is also possible to secure one in
>>>> a
>>>> window.
>>>
>>> We have an a/c unit about the size of a small fridge. We bought it for
>>> > the
>>> caravan because our dog suffered one very hot summer. It will also work
>>> well in one room of the house. Almost too cold really but at least you
>>> > can
>>> turn it off)
>>>
>>> http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/1816822.htm?CMPID=GS001&_$ja=cgid:11724684065|tsid :41370|cid:147343385|lid:64453434533|nw:g|crid:401 31475745|rnd:5459988049325261270|dvc:c|adp:1o1
>>
>> I would never put one in a window here. That's a sure way to get robbed.
>> All they have to do is pop it out and come on in. Plus due to the design
>> of this house, you'd only be able to cool the one room. This house was
>> remodeled and is really long from front to back with the entire middle
>> section being windowless and having no exterior walls. It's a very odd
>> layout.
>
>
> So you won't put a window unit in because you'll get robbed, but you'll
> leave windows with screens open at night for cat snatching raccoons....

The windows were only open a few inches with locks on them. Locks that I
had install separately because this type of vinyl window can only be locked
when close.

And you bring up another issue. There is no possible way now to put in a
window unit now with the hardware cloth that has been installed over the
outside screen.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/9/2014 6:14 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 7/7/2014 5:50 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> t's somewhere around 80 and we're suffering here. I was up until
>>>> something like 8:00 a.m., unable to sleep. Tried to sleep on the couch
>>>> because there is a ceiling fan above it but it seems that all it did
>>>> was
>>>> blow warm air on me. Not liking this. Supposed to only get hotter and
>>>> stay that way for over a week.
>>>
>>> Did it ever occur to you to invest in air conditioning? Even a window
>>> unit would help cool down a couple of rooms.
>>
>> How many times must I say this and for how many years? There isn't a
>> way to put AC in here. Nobody on our street has it. It's the way these
>> houses are designed. Heck, many businesses here don't even have it
>> because most of the time it isn't needed.
>
> You're the one who bought the completely weird house. I don't care if
> anyone on your street has AC. You're bitching about how hot it is. People
> are offering possible solutions. Oh, and many business don't have it, yet
> you said you went shopping to take *advantage* of their AC. You have
> choices, you simply don't choose to make or take them.

Did I ask for solutions? No. The issue of AC has been brought up here
before. I am telling you that most people here do not have it. It's not
just me.

Some businesses here have it. By no means all. Walmart does. The big
grocery stores do. If Target does, they don't turn it on. Costco has it.
Many restaurants do not.

We're not the only people doing this. People were camped out at the tables
in Central Market and Whole Foods. Same with the various coffee places.
All complaining of the heat. The woman in line in front of me at the
grocery store was elderly and looked like she was going to collapse. She
said she was too hot. The cashier had her go sit down and also told the guy
who had gone to collect carts that he needed to go take a "cool" break. The
woman in front of me was wearing a long sleeved turtleneck. Perhaps she had
nothing cooler. I am seriously not kidding when I say that it normally does
not get this warm. Many was the 4th of July where we sat out to watch
fireworks in our winter coats with gloves on.

"Doris Night" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 9 Jul 2014 15:14:55 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
>>> On 7/7/2014 10:24 PM, Doris Night wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 7 Jul 2014 14:50:09 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It's somewhere around 80 and we're suffering here. I was up until
>>>>> something
>>>>> like 8:00 a.m., unable to sleep. Tried to sleep on the couch because
>>>>> there
>>>>> is a ceiling fan above it but it seems that all it did was blow warm
>>>>> air
>>>>> on
>>>>> me. Not liking this. Supposed to only get hotter and stay that way
>>>>> for
>>>>> over a week.
>>>>
>>>> Can you get those little window air conditioners where you live? Where
>>>> I live in Ontario, it gets to about 85-90 degrees at this time of the
>>>> summer, but we have a window unit in our bedroom, and it cools things
>>>> down quite nicely at night. I think they cost about $100.
>>>>
>>>> Doris
>>>>
>>> They are very inexpensive. You can even find used *working* window
>>> units
>>> on Craigslist. There will be some reason she can't do it. <sigh>
>>
>>Two reasons. No plug in and won't work with the design of our windows. I
>>*had* one. I gave it away because it wouldn't work with our windows.
>
> You have no electrical outlets in your house?!!? I've never heard of
> that before!
>
> Oh...you mean you have no outlets *under the windows*. Then get a
> frigging *extension cord* ferchrisake!

I wouldn't want to put an extension cord over the heater and I could be
wrong but I don't think you are supposed to use them for that anyway. But
it's all a moot point since I have had my windows amended so there is no
*way* to put AC in. They are covered in hardware cloth to keep the raccoons
out.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 9 Jul 2014 15:17:25 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> I have said this again and again. Will not work with our windows. I
>> gave
>> away the one that we had. It simply would not work here!
>
> It sounds like you have casement windows instead of double hung. Why
> don't you just say so?

I don't think anyone has double hung in this area. Not sure what casement
means. Let me look it up. No. We don't have those either and they are not
used here either. We had something sort of like that on Cape Cod but not
exactly like that. Not like what is shown here anyway...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casement_window

Well, this site explains the different window types but ours are not shown.

http://www.calfinder.com/library/window/types

Well, I do take that back. We do have several small picture windows. They
are merely decorative and don't open at all. We also have a greenhouse
window in the kitchen. Let me keep looking.

According to this they are 2-lite slides.

http://www.ehow.com/about_4672465_ty...e-windows.html

Or just sliding windows.

http://www.milgard.com/catalog/windo...zontal-slider/

"Doris Night" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 09 Jul 2014 16:47:05 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 9 Jul 2014 15:17:25 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>>
>>> I have said this again and again. Will not work with our windows. I
>>> gave
>>> away the one that we had. It simply would not work here!
>>
>>It sounds like you have casement windows instead of double hung. Why
>>don't you just say so?
>
> You know, in the great scheme of things, it shouldn't matter if she
> has casement windows or sliders or crenels or some other strange type
> of window that none of us has had experience with.
>
> Windows can be replaced, and it isn't a difficult or expensive thing
> to do.

I don't know what you consider expensive. We have other things that need to
be done to the house. Like having it painted.
>
> My husband has personally, with assistance only from moi, replaced two
> of the windows in our house. I think the replacement windows cost
> ~$150-200, and they took about an hour to install.

The only windows that will be replaced here and not in the forseeable future
are the three in the front that are old. All of the others are newer and
fine.
>
> So, there you go - $200 for a new window suitable for an air
> conditioner, $100 for the air conditioner, and Voila! You have a nice
> cool room to relax in.

Uh... No. Where would you have me put the thing? I would need some sort
of super huge unit to be able to cool this room that I am in now. And
then... So what? I don't stay in this room. There would be no way to get
that air into the kitchen or dining room which are just off of this room and
it's all an open design.

The windows are not the problem. In order to put a unit in there, it would
involve a very large piece of plywood. And when you put that in it's pretty
darned easy for a burglar to get in as there is no way to keep it secure.
Plus you are just looking at a piece of plywood! Most years we wouldn't
even use the AC and there is no way that I want to look at plywood all year.
>
> Oh, and $15 for the extension cord because Julie's rooms apparently
> have no electrical outlets.


I am *not* getting AC! Why don't you people just give it up? You don't
know my house. I'm not going to take pics of it. Nobody in this area has
AC and most likely for the same reasons I have repeatedly mentioned.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 09 Jul 2014 22:09:47 -0400, Doris Night
> > wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 09 Jul 2014 16:47:05 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>
>> >On Wed, 9 Jul 2014 15:17:25 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> I have said this again and again. Will not work with our windows. I
>> >> gave
>> >> away the one that we had. It simply would not work here!
>> >
>> >It sounds like you have casement windows instead of double hung. Why
>> >don't you just say so?
>>
>> You know, in the great scheme of things, it shouldn't matter if she
>> has casement windows or sliders or crenels or some other strange type
>> of window that none of us has had experience with.
>>
>> Windows can be replaced, and it isn't a difficult or expensive thing
>> to do.
>>
>> My husband has personally, with assistance only from moi, replaced two
>> of the windows in our house. I think the replacement windows cost
>> ~$150-200, and they took about an hour to install.
>>
>> So, there you go - $200 for a new window suitable for an air
>> conditioner, $100 for the air conditioner, and Voila! You have a nice
>> cool room to relax in.
>
> Why would she spend $200-600 per replacement window when she has
> already said she's not going to spend $300+ on a portable air
> conditioning unit?

That made no sense to me either. And I simply can't have a portable unit
because I have no way to securely vent it outside. I can't do it out a
window and can't think of a wall space where it could be done. Nor would I
want to put a hole in my wall because as I said, most years it would never
get used!

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 9 Jul 2014 15:17:25 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Gary" > wrote in message
...
>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It's somewhere around 80 and we're suffering here. I was up until
>>>> something
>>>> like 8:00 a.m., unable to sleep. Tried to sleep on the couch because
>>>> there
>>>> is a ceiling fan above it but it seems that all it did was blow warm
>>>> air
>>>> on
>>>> me. Not liking this. Supposed to only get hotter and stay that way
>>>> for
>>>> over a week.
>>>
>>> Buy a small window ac unit. Only about $100. It will be great for a
>>> room to hang out in and will even cool down a small house if your
>>> square footage isn't much. Not only do they cool, but they remove the
>>> humidity from your air. It will be the best Benjamin you've ever
>>> spent. If you can't sleep at night, BUY ONE and NO EXCUSES this time,
>>> Julie.
>>
>>I have said this again and again. Will not work with our windows. I gave
>>away the one that we had. It simply would not work here!
>
> Quit telling stories.

I'm not. I'm well aware of what would need to be done to put AC in. Would
involve a lot of plywood. Our windows are huge! I'd rather be able to look
outside year round than to have to stare at a piece of plywood. Plus that
would leave the house not secure. In order to put a unit in, you must
remove the entire piece that slides.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/9/2014 6:19 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Gary" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Doris Night" wrote:
>>>> > Can you get those little window air conditioners where you live?
>>>> > Where
>>>> > I live in Ontario, it gets to about 85-90 degrees at this time of the
>>>> > summer, but we have a window unit in our bedroom, and it cools things
>>>> > down quite nicely at night. I think they cost about $100.
>>>>
>>>> I wouldn't dare. I did have one. It didn't fit our windows. There
>>>> is no
>>>> real way to make the window secure with one of those units and our
>>>> crime
>>>> rate is high here. I also don't really have any way of venting a
>>>> portable
>>>> unit.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think you can get any units for that price here. The one
>>>> that I got
>>>> 10 years ago was around $300 and it was a small one.
>>>
>>> Quit being so negative and just buy a small window unit, Julie.
>>> It will fit your windows and that will vent it outside.
>>> Only costs about $100. You still have about 2 more months of hot,
>>> humid weather where you can't sleep at night and shop at stores with
>>> ac when you could be staying in the comfort of your own home.
>>>
>>> No high crime rate excuse either. A burgular will break into a
>>> regular window or door before they break into the window with an AC
>>> unit in it.
>>>
>>> Buy one! NO EXCUSE is valid for this problem, Julie. And since you
>>> won't need it often where you live, this one time buy should last you
>>> 20 years or so.
>>>
>>> G.
>>
>> For GOD'S sake! I HAD one! I bought it on Cape Cod. It fit right into
>> our window. It wouldn't fit any of our windows here. I gave it to my
>> neighbor because she said it would fit in one of her windows. I think
>> she was lying. Didn't look to me like it would fit I think she sold
>> it. She moved away not long after.
>
> Lady, you can have a window unit installed with proper bracing
> inexpensively pretty much *anywhere*.
>
Of course I could. But with this kind of huge sliding windows, it would
require removing the side that slides and fitting it with a piece of
plywood. I do not wish to look at a big piece of plywood nor do I want one
in there. All it takes is for someone to push it in and come on in! Then
come fall, we would have to take it all out or wind up freezing all winter
because we have a huge hole covered by plywood and not double paned glass!

> When my father was transferred to Bangkok he had window units installed in
> the bedrooms of the house he rented for us. It was hotter than Hades most
> of the year there. If they could do it in Bangkok in 1969 you can bet
> your sweet bippy someone can install a window AC unit in your house in
> Bothell, WA in 2014.

I am not stupid. I know how to put in AC. I have said this many times
before. I am not taking my windows out. I am not taking the hardware cloth
off. I am not shoving plywood into my windows, venting anything through
them or cutting a hole in the wall. Just freaking give it up!

It may well have been hot enough in Bangkok to need AC but for most years,
363 days of of them there is no need at all for AC and on those other two it
would be questionable.

We do get random years, it would seem about every 5 of them where we do get
2-3 weeks where it is warmer than usual This seems to be one of them
despite what the various almanacs said.

Me getting AC would be just about as smart and feasible as me getting a snow
plow because we get snow just about as often as we get hot weather!

On Wed, 9 Jul 2014 20:30:32 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> That made no sense to me either. And I simply can't have a portable unit
> because I have no way to securely vent it outside. I can't do it out a
> window and can't think of a wall space where it could be done. Nor would I
> want to put a hole in my wall because as I said, most years it would never
> get used!

Why are you disregarding the floor unit type? It is not dependent on
being in a window. My DD had one (similar to what Jill posted) in the
living room of an 800 square foot house. Your house is a lot bigger
with an open floor plan, so you have plenty of space to find a place
to put one somewhere.

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 9 Jul 2014 20:30:32 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> That made no sense to me either. And I simply can't have a portable unit
>> because I have no way to securely vent it outside. I can't do it out a
>> window and can't think of a wall space where it could be done. Nor would
>> I
>> want to put a hole in my wall because as I said, most years it would
>> never
>> get used!
>
> Why are you disregarding the floor unit type? It is not dependent on
> being in a window. My DD had one (similar to what Jill posted) in the
> living room of an 800 square foot house. Your house is a lot bigger
> with an open floor plan, so you have plenty of space to find a place
> to put one somewhere.

As I have said countless times. Those need to be vented outside. The usual
way is to open a window and vent it out there. Not an option for me. You
can't have a screen and/or hardware cloth over the window to do that. I
also fail to see how that would work with the large windows that I have even
if I were willing to do that. The window would still be open from nearly
top to bottom and that would just let the hot air in.

If you don't do that, you then have to cut a hole in the wall. I don't want
a hole cut in my wall for something we might go for 2 years without using at
all.

Our house is 1700 sq. ft.

On Wed, 9 Jul 2014 21:39:52 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Wed, 9 Jul 2014 20:30:32 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> That made no sense to me either. And I simply can't have a portable unit
> >> because I have no way to securely vent it outside. I can't do it out a
> >> window and can't think of a wall space where it could be done. Nor would
> >> I
> >> want to put a hole in my wall because as I said, most years it would
> >> never
> >> get used!
> >
> > Why are you disregarding the floor unit type? It is not dependent on
> > being in a window. My DD had one (similar to what Jill posted) in the
> > living room of an 800 square foot house. Your house is a lot bigger
> > with an open floor plan, so you have plenty of space to find a place
> > to put one somewhere.
>
> As I have said countless times. Those need to be vented outside.

They did NOT have it vented through a window and there was no hole in
a wall. I think you need to do some research.

> The usual
> way is to open a window and vent it out there. Not an option for me. You
> can't have a screen and/or hardware cloth over the window to do that. I
> also fail to see how that would work with the large windows that I have even
> if I were willing to do that. The window would still be open from nearly
> top to bottom and that would just let the hot air in.
>
> If you don't do that, you then have to cut a hole in the wall. I don't want
> a hole cut in my wall for something we might go for 2 years without using at
> all.
>
> Our house is 1700 sq. ft.

And you have an open space that will be easily cooled by one unit.


--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 9 Jul 2014 21:39:52 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Wed, 9 Jul 2014 20:30:32 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> That made no sense to me either. And I simply can't have a portable
>> >> unit
>> >> because I have no way to securely vent it outside. I can't do it out
>> >> a
>> >> window and can't think of a wall space where it could be done. Nor
>> >> would
>> >> I
>> >> want to put a hole in my wall because as I said, most years it would
>> >> never
>> >> get used!
>> >
>> > Why are you disregarding the floor unit type? It is not dependent on
>> > being in a window. My DD had one (similar to what Jill posted) in the
>> > living room of an 800 square foot house. Your house is a lot bigger
>> > with an open floor plan, so you have plenty of space to find a place
>> > to put one somewhere.
>>
>> As I have said countless times. Those need to be vented outside.
>
> They did NOT have it vented through a window and there was no hole in
> a wall. I think you need to do some research.

I have. Has to be vented somewhere.
>
>> The usual
>> way is to open a window and vent it out there. Not an option for me.
>> You
>> can't have a screen and/or hardware cloth over the window to do that. I
>> also fail to see how that would work with the large windows that I have
>> even
>> if I were willing to do that. The window would still be open from nearly
>> top to bottom and that would just let the hot air in.
>>
>> If you don't do that, you then have to cut a hole in the wall. I don't
>> want
>> a hole cut in my wall for something we might go for 2 years without using
>> at
>> all.
>>
>> Our house is 1700 sq. ft.
>
> And you have an open space that will be easily cooled by one unit.

I doubt that.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 9 Jul 2014 21:39:52 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Wed, 9 Jul 2014 20:30:32 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> That made no sense to me either. And I simply can't have a portable
>> >> unit
>> >> because I have no way to securely vent it outside. I can't do it out
>> >> a
>> >> window and can't think of a wall space where it could be done. Nor
>> >> would
>> >> I
>> >> want to put a hole in my wall because as I said, most years it would
>> >> never
>> >> get used!
>> >
>> > Why are you disregarding the floor unit type? It is not dependent on
>> > being in a window. My DD had one (similar to what Jill posted) in the
>> > living room of an 800 square foot house. Your house is a lot bigger
>> > with an open floor plan, so you have plenty of space to find a place
>> > to put one somewhere.
>>
>> As I have said countless times. Those need to be vented outside.
>
> They did NOT have it vented through a window and there was no hole in
> a wall. I think you need to do some research.
>
>> The usual
>> way is to open a window and vent it out there. Not an option for me.
>> You
>> can't have a screen and/or hardware cloth over the window to do that. I
>> also fail to see how that would work with the large windows that I have
>> even
>> if I were willing to do that. The window would still be open from nearly
>> top to bottom and that would just let the hot air in.
>>
>> If you don't do that, you then have to cut a hole in the wall. I don't
>> want
>> a hole cut in my wall for something we might go for 2 years without using
>> at
>> all.
>>
>> Our house is 1700 sq. ft.
>
> And you have an open space that will be easily cooled by one unit.

Read the link.
Needs to be vented.

http://www.ehow.com/how-does_4928916...ners-work.html

On Wed, 9 Jul 2014 19:57:46 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:


>And you bring up another issue. There is no possible way now to put in a
>window unit now with the hardware cloth that has been installed over the
>outside screen.

Yeah, righto. Why don't you just jump off a high building and improve
humanity?

On Wed, 9 Jul 2014 20:38:44 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
>> On 7/9/2014 6:19 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> For GOD'S sake! I HAD one! I bought it on Cape Cod. It fit right into
>>> our window. It wouldn't fit any of our windows here. I gave it to my
>>> neighbor because she said it would fit in one of her windows. I think
>>> she was lying. Didn't look to me like it would fit I think she sold
>>> it. She moved away not long after.
>>
>> Lady, you can have a window unit installed with proper bracing
>> inexpensively pretty much *anywhere*.
>>
>Of course I could. But with this kind of huge sliding windows, it would
>require removing the side that slides and fitting it with a piece of
>plywood. I do not wish to look at a big piece of plywood nor do I want one
>in there.

Why the **** does it need to be plywood? It could be glass.

>All it takes is for someone to push it in and come on in! Then
>come fall, we would have to take it all out or wind up freezing all winter
>because we have a huge hole covered by plywood and not double paned glass!

Plywood insulates better than glass, double paned or not. But never
mind that...

>I am not stupid. I know how to put in AC. I have said this many times
>before.

You can say it all you want. You're a retard, regardless. You can't
even figure how to put one in a window.

>Me getting AC would be just about as smart and feasible as me getting a snow
>plow because we get snow just about as often as we get hot weather!

Probably stopping complaining about the heat would be a good start, if
that's the case.

On Wed, 9 Jul 2014 20:04:22 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Doris Night" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Wed, 9 Jul 2014 15:14:55 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On 7/7/2014 10:24 PM, Doris Night wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 7 Jul 2014 14:50:09 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's somewhere around 80 and we're suffering here. I was up until
>>>>>> something
>>>>>> like 8:00 a.m., unable to sleep. Tried to sleep on the couch because
>>>>>> there
>>>>>> is a ceiling fan above it but it seems that all it did was blow warm
>>>>>> air
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> me. Not liking this. Supposed to only get hotter and stay that way
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> over a week.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you get those little window air conditioners where you live? Where
>>>>> I live in Ontario, it gets to about 85-90 degrees at this time of the
>>>>> summer, but we have a window unit in our bedroom, and it cools things
>>>>> down quite nicely at night. I think they cost about $100.
>>>>>
>>>>> Doris
>>>>>
>>>> They are very inexpensive. You can even find used *working* window
>>>> units
>>>> on Craigslist. There will be some reason she can't do it. <sigh>
>>>
>>>Two reasons. No plug in and won't work with the design of our windows. I
>>>*had* one. I gave it away because it wouldn't work with our windows.
>>
>> You have no electrical outlets in your house?!!? I've never heard of
>> that before!
>>
>> Oh...you mean you have no outlets *under the windows*. Then get a
>> frigging *extension cord* ferchrisake!
>
>I wouldn't want to put an extension cord over the heater

Heaven forbid!

>and I could be
>wrong but I don't think you are supposed to use them for that anyway. But
>it's all a moot point since I have had my windows amended so there is no
>*way* to put AC in.

No way. Yeah. Quite a remarkable house you've bough there.

>They are covered in hardware cloth to keep the raccoons
>out.

Yeah, you don't want any more pussies abducted and raped...

On Wed, 9 Jul 2014 20:30:32 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>That made no sense to me either. And I simply can't have a portable unit
>because I have no way to securely vent it outside. I can't do it out a
>window and can't think of a wall space where it could be done. Nor would I
>want to put a hole in my wall because as I said, most years it would never
>get used!

Quite a house you have there, Julie.
I mean, really remarkable that so many normal things are impossible to
do in it.

On Wed, 9 Jul 2014 20:32:53 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>I have said this again and again. Will not work with our windows. I gave
>>>away the one that we had. It simply would not work here!
>>
>> Quit telling stories.
>
>I'm not. I'm well aware of what would need to be done to put AC in. Would
>involve a lot of plywood.

What's this ****ing crap about plywood all the time??? You won't burst
into flames if you get some glass cut instead of using plywood...

>Our windows are huge! I'd rather be able to look
>outside year round than to have to stare at a piece of plywood.

You don't have to stare at plywood...

>Plus that
>would leave the house not secure. In order to put a unit in, you must
>remove the entire piece that slides.

Your brain's not secure.

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 9 Jul 2014 19:57:46 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>
>>And you bring up another issue. There is no possible way now to put in a
>>window unit now with the hardware cloth that has been installed over the
>>outside screen.
>
> Yeah, righto. Why don't you just jump off a high building and improve
> humanity?

???

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> Our windows are too large for a window unit so they would require putting in
> a board. All they'd have to do is pop the board out. Plus they need to be
> plugged in and there are no plugs near any of the windows.

Please stop! >:-[]

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> I know that window units can be installed through a wall but we don't have
> such a wall. Our walls are all taken up with windows and furniture.

Inconceivable. Enjoy your hot weather.

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> I know that window units can be installed through a wall but we don't have
> such a wall. Our walls are all taken up with windows and furniture.

BS. You just said yesterday that all the middle rooms in your house
have no windows.

I think you've finally blown your troll cover with this ac thread.