On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 01:41:32 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>"Gary" > wrote in message ...
>> She is just being extremely negative as always. And she ordered the
>> least good option to solve her problem of heat. Where is the husband's
>> input into this problem?
>
>Why do I need his input? He has the front part of the house. The entire
>living room, the bathroom and a bedroom. The front of the house is
>perfectly cool. The back of the house is not. I bought this thing for *my*
>part of the house. The four of us who use this part of the house are quite
>pleased with the purchase.
>
>Could you please just drop it now? I don't understand this need that you
>and some others have here to try to *force* me to do things. In case you
>haven't noticed, I am pretty damned stubborn. Nobody has gotten me yet to
>do something that I don't want to do and they probably never will. Perhaps
>you should go teach a pig to sing. You'd have better luck with it.

Well, the animal's intellect would make it a lot easier, for starters.

On Wed, 09 Jul 2014 07:56:15 -0700, sf > wrote:

snip
>>
>You can buy window units for $50 on sale, but stand alone room air
>conditioners are more expensive and begin around $300. Personally,
>I'd get a ductless unit if it was an issue - but in reality a fan
>works just fine when the temps hit 80° at my house (I need moving
>air). If it was any hotter on a regular basis, I'd be spending real
>money to fix the problem.

We don't have AC. We have never seen the need for one. Our temps
drop to 60 overnight. You leave the windows open. In the morning,
you put the window fan on high at one end of the house and another fan
blowing out at the other end. Open all doors and windows. Keep an
eye on the temps. When outside and inside temps equal at 70 or so,
close everything up. Keep a fan going. You will be good until about
8 at night when you open everything up again. You just have to be
bright enough and not too lazy in order to manage. On the other hand,
if you just want a reason to shop on the Internet, a swamp cooler
fills the bill
Janet US

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 00:01:04 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:

snip
>>and I could be
>>wrong but I don't think you are supposed to use them for that anyway. But
>>it's all a moot point since I have had my windows amended so there is no
>>*way* to put AC in.
>
snip
>>They are covered in hardware cloth to keep the raccoons
>>out.
>snip
You mean you have eliminated any means of egress in case of emergency
like a fire?
Janet US

"Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 00:01:04 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
> snip
>>>and I could be
>>>wrong but I don't think you are supposed to use them for that anyway.
>>>But
>>>it's all a moot point since I have had my windows amended so there is no
>>>*way* to put AC in.
>>
> snip
>>>They are covered in hardware cloth to keep the raccoons
>>>out.
>>snip
> You mean you have eliminated any means of egress in case of emergency
> like a fire?
> Janet US

Since every room in this house except for the bathrooms and two of the
bedrooms have an exterior door, there is no need to use the windows for
escape.

On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 19:05:03 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:

> On Wed, 09 Jul 2014 07:56:15 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
> snip
> >>
> >You can buy window units for $50 on sale, but stand alone room air
> >conditioners are more expensive and begin around $300. Personally,
> >I'd get a ductless unit if it was an issue - but in reality a fan
> >works just fine when the temps hit 80° at my house (I need moving
> >air). If it was any hotter on a regular basis, I'd be spending real
> >money to fix the problem.
>
> We don't have AC. We have never seen the need for one. Our temps
> drop to 60 overnight. You leave the windows open. In the morning,
> you put the window fan on high at one end of the house and another fan
> blowing out at the other end. Open all doors and windows. Keep an
> eye on the temps. When outside and inside temps equal at 70 or so,
> close everything up. Keep a fan going. You will be good until about
> 8 at night when you open everything up again. You just have to be
> bright enough and not too lazy in order to manage. On the other hand,
> if you just want a reason to shop on the Internet, a swamp cooler
> fills the bill
> Janet US

Agree. That's how that goes 99% of the time in my microclimate,
except I have zero experience with a swamp cooler so I can't comment
on aspect. A regular , super cheap, fan bought on sale at the
drugstore works for me.

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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 19:05:03 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> > wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 09 Jul 2014 07:56:15 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>
>> snip
>> >>
>> >You can buy window units for $50 on sale, but stand alone room air
>> >conditioners are more expensive and begin around $300. Personally,
>> >I'd get a ductless unit if it was an issue - but in reality a fan
>> >works just fine when the temps hit 80° at my house (I need moving
>> >air). If it was any hotter on a regular basis, I'd be spending real
>> >money to fix the problem.
>>
>> We don't have AC. We have never seen the need for one. Our temps
>> drop to 60 overnight. You leave the windows open. In the morning,
>> you put the window fan on high at one end of the house and another fan
>> blowing out at the other end. Open all doors and windows. Keep an
>> eye on the temps. When outside and inside temps equal at 70 or so,
>> close everything up. Keep a fan going. You will be good until about
>> 8 at night when you open everything up again. You just have to be
>> bright enough and not too lazy in order to manage. On the other hand,
>> if you just want a reason to shop on the Internet, a swamp cooler
>> fills the bill
>> Janet US
>
> Agree. That's how that goes 99% of the time in my microclimate,
> except I have zero experience with a swamp cooler so I can't comment
> on aspect. A regular , super cheap, fan bought on sale at the
> drugstore works for me.

It brought the temp. in this room down to 74 yesterday. Temp. in the dining
room was still 80. However, it felt very cool in this room. So cool that I
had to shut it off. Today it was hotter outside. It is now 74 in this
room. Have had the unit on for about 2 hours. But if you stand directly in
front of it, it feels very cool.

The best part is that it is adding moisture to the air which had gotten very
dry.

Odd thing is, my mom's place is perhaps 6 miles from here but in a different
city. Her weather forecast for the next 10 days has the highs in the low
70's and a low of 68. But our temps are supposed to be between 80 to 90
with most being around 88. Of course there is a chance this will be wrong.
The forecast is often not accurate.

On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 22:20:48 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> Odd thing is, my mom's place is perhaps 6 miles from here but in a different
> city. Her weather forecast for the next 10 days has the highs in the low
> 70's and a low of 68. But our temps are supposed to be between 80 to 90
> with most being around 88. Of course there is a chance this will be wrong.
> The forecast is often not accurate.

On the West Coast, 6 miles can be a world away as far as weather. I
need to travel ten miles for that to happen, but it's all relative.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 22:20:48 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> Odd thing is, my mom's place is perhaps 6 miles from here but in a
>> different
>> city. Her weather forecast for the next 10 days has the highs in the low
>> 70's and a low of 68. But our temps are supposed to be between 80 to 90
>> with most being around 88. Of course there is a chance this will be
>> wrong.
>> The forecast is often not accurate.
>
> On the West Coast, 6 miles can be a world away as far as weather. I
> need to travel ten miles for that to happen, but it's all relative.

I guess we're just different here.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 19:05:03 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> > wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 09 Jul 2014 07:56:15 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>
>> snip
>> >>
>> >You can buy window units for $50 on sale, but stand alone room air
>> >conditioners are more expensive and begin around $300. Personally,
>> >I'd get a ductless unit if it was an issue - but in reality a fan
>> >works just fine when the temps hit 80° at my house (I need moving
>> >air). If it was any hotter on a regular basis, I'd be spending real
>> >money to fix the problem.
>>
>> We don't have AC. We have never seen the need for one. Our temps
>> drop to 60 overnight. You leave the windows open. In the morning,
>> you put the window fan on high at one end of the house and another fan
>> blowing out at the other end. Open all doors and windows. Keep an
>> eye on the temps. When outside and inside temps equal at 70 or so,
>> close everything up. Keep a fan going. You will be good until about
>> 8 at night when you open everything up again. You just have to be
>> bright enough and not too lazy in order to manage. On the other hand,
>> if you just want a reason to shop on the Internet, a swamp cooler
>> fills the bill
>> Janet US
>
> Agree. That's how that goes 99% of the time in my microclimate,
> except I have zero experience with a swamp cooler so I can't comment
> on aspect. A regular , super cheap, fan bought on sale at the
> drugstore works for me.

I hadn't heard of swamp coolers before but from what I read, they are very
popular in various part of USA. If they work then I don't understand the
put downs about it. We 'pays our money and takes our choice' as we are wont
to say! My money, my choice!


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"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 19:05:03 -0600, Janet Bostwick
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 09 Jul 2014 07:56:15 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>
>>> snip
>>> >>
>>> >You can buy window units for $50 on sale, but stand alone room air
>>> >conditioners are more expensive and begin around $300. Personally,
>>> >I'd get a ductless unit if it was an issue - but in reality a fan
>>> >works just fine when the temps hit 80° at my house (I need moving
>>> >air). If it was any hotter on a regular basis, I'd be spending real
>>> >money to fix the problem.
>>>
>>> We don't have AC. We have never seen the need for one. Our temps
>>> drop to 60 overnight. You leave the windows open. In the morning,
>>> you put the window fan on high at one end of the house and another fan
>>> blowing out at the other end. Open all doors and windows. Keep an
>>> eye on the temps. When outside and inside temps equal at 70 or so,
>>> close everything up. Keep a fan going. You will be good until about
>>> 8 at night when you open everything up again. You just have to be
>>> bright enough and not too lazy in order to manage. On the other hand,
>>> if you just want a reason to shop on the Internet, a swamp cooler
>>> fills the bill
>>> Janet US
>>
>> Agree. That's how that goes 99% of the time in my microclimate,
>> except I have zero experience with a swamp cooler so I can't comment
>> on aspect. A regular , super cheap, fan bought on sale at the
>> drugstore works for me.
>
> I hadn't heard of swamp coolers before but from what I read, they are very
> popular in various part of USA. If they work then I don't understand the
> put downs about it. We 'pays our money and takes our choice' as we are
> wont to say! My money, my choice!

They don't understand because they won't work in their area. I had posted a
US map of where they work the best. Oddly enough I have never seen them for
sale here. This one came from Kentucky. Then again, I might have seen one
and mistaken it for AC.

I saw a world map. Let me see if I can find it again. Here it is:

http://www.coolmax.com.au/evaporativ...ling-areas.htm

As you can see, they can be used in many places, including a large portion
of Australia.

My mom told me today that we had one when I was little. I don't remember
it. She said that it went in the window. I do remember having AC in the
front window but it was before that. Apparently there are window units that
you can get. I haven't seen them though.

Only problem with this and it's not a big problem is that it is not supposed
to be used unattended. I did leave it running yesterday while we were out.
It was fine but apparently I shouldn't have done that. And it does take a
while to cool the air down once you start it up. But it is very comfortable
in here now and I am even using the self cleaning function of my oven so
that's throwing off a lot of heat. The casseroles that I made apparently
contained too much liquid and it bubbled out and made a bit of a mess.

On Sun, 13 Jul 2014 02:05:46 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 22:20:48 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> Odd thing is, my mom's place is perhaps 6 miles from here but in a
> >> different
> >> city. Her weather forecast for the next 10 days has the highs in the low
> >> 70's and a low of 68. But our temps are supposed to be between 80 to 90
> >> with most being around 88. Of course there is a chance this will be
> >> wrong.
> >> The forecast is often not accurate.
> >
> > On the West Coast, 6 miles can be a world away as far as weather. I
> > need to travel ten miles for that to happen, but it's all relative.
>
> I guess we're just different here.

There are micro-climates elsewhere too, but I only heard about them
when we were "leaf peeping" a couple of years ago and it was in the
NE.

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On Sun, 13 Jul 2014 10:59:11 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 19:05:03 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 09 Jul 2014 07:56:15 -0700, sf > wrote:
> >>
> >> snip
> >> >>
> >> >You can buy window units for $50 on sale, but stand alone room air
> >> >conditioners are more expensive and begin around $300. Personally,
> >> >I'd get a ductless unit if it was an issue - but in reality a fan
> >> >works just fine when the temps hit 80° at my house (I need moving
> >> >air). If it was any hotter on a regular basis, I'd be spending real
> >> >money to fix the problem.
> >>
> >> We don't have AC. We have never seen the need for one. Our temps
> >> drop to 60 overnight. You leave the windows open. In the morning,
> >> you put the window fan on high at one end of the house and another fan
> >> blowing out at the other end. Open all doors and windows. Keep an
> >> eye on the temps. When outside and inside temps equal at 70 or so,
> >> close everything up. Keep a fan going. You will be good until about
> >> 8 at night when you open everything up again. You just have to be
> >> bright enough and not too lazy in order to manage. On the other hand,
> >> if you just want a reason to shop on the Internet, a swamp cooler
> >> fills the bill
> >> Janet US
> >
> > Agree. That's how that goes 99% of the time in my microclimate,
> > except I have zero experience with a swamp cooler so I can't comment
> > on aspect. A regular , super cheap, fan bought on sale at the
> > drugstore works for me.
>
> I hadn't heard of swamp coolers before but from what I read, they are very
> popular in various part of USA. If they work then I don't understand the
> put downs about it. We 'pays our money and takes our choice' as we are wont
> to say! My money, my choice!

Now it's coming out that swamp coolers put humidity into the air which
is the last thing you'd want in the Midwest and South. I think it's
true for the East coast too. They have high humidity with soaring
temperatures. Makes it hard to breathe. The Southwest and West have
low humidity (so little that it's never discussed unless you're
talking to someone from back East), so a swamp cooler would work out
here. There's good and bad with both situations. The good part for
the West is higher temps are easier to take (that's why old people
move to the Southwest). Slightly inland, it can hit 80 and you'd
never know it was that hot if you didn't look at a thermometer, but it
also means less rain - so water is metered, expensive and sometimes
rationed.

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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 13 Jul 2014 10:59:11 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 19:05:03 -0600, Janet Bostwick
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Wed, 09 Jul 2014 07:56:15 -0700, sf > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> snip
>> >> >>
>> >> >You can buy window units for $50 on sale, but stand alone room air
>> >> >conditioners are more expensive and begin around $300. Personally,
>> >> >I'd get a ductless unit if it was an issue - but in reality a fan
>> >> >works just fine when the temps hit 80° at my house (I need moving
>> >> >air). If it was any hotter on a regular basis, I'd be spending real
>> >> >money to fix the problem.
>> >>
>> >> We don't have AC. We have never seen the need for one. Our temps
>> >> drop to 60 overnight. You leave the windows open. In the morning,
>> >> you put the window fan on high at one end of the house and another fan
>> >> blowing out at the other end. Open all doors and windows. Keep an
>> >> eye on the temps. When outside and inside temps equal at 70 or so,
>> >> close everything up. Keep a fan going. You will be good until about
>> >> 8 at night when you open everything up again. You just have to be
>> >> bright enough and not too lazy in order to manage. On the other hand,
>> >> if you just want a reason to shop on the Internet, a swamp cooler
>> >> fills the bill
>> >> Janet US
>> >
>> > Agree. That's how that goes 99% of the time in my microclimate,
>> > except I have zero experience with a swamp cooler so I can't comment
>> > on aspect. A regular , super cheap, fan bought on sale at the
>> > drugstore works for me.
>>
>> I hadn't heard of swamp coolers before but from what I read, they are
>> very
>> popular in various part of USA. If they work then I don't understand the
>> put downs about it. We 'pays our money and takes our choice' as we are
>> wont
>> to say! My money, my choice!
>
> Now it's coming out that swamp coolers put humidity into the air which
> is the last thing you'd want in the Midwest and South. I think it's
> true for the East coast too. They have high humidity with soaring
> temperatures. Makes it hard to breathe. The Southwest and West have
> low humidity (so little that it's never discussed unless you're
> talking to someone from back East), so a swamp cooler would work out
> here. There's good and bad with both situations. The good part for
> the West is higher temps are easier to take (that's why old people
> move to the Southwest). Slightly inland, it can hit 80 and you'd
> never know it was that hot if you didn't look at a thermometer, but it
> also means less rain - so water is metered, expensive and sometimes
> rationed.

You have such differences in so many areas. I am happy to accept what
anyone tells me is good for them)
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On 2014-07-13 12:10 PM, sf wrote:

> Now it's coming out that swamp coolers put humidity into the air which
> is the last thing you'd want in the Midwest and South. I think it's
> true for the East coast too. They have high humidity with soaring
> temperatures.


July around here is hot and humid. For the locals, hot is mid 80s. A
lot of us have dehumidifiers to remove the moisture from the air, and
that makes it seem cooler. Some years ago I was in the interior of BC
which is a semi dessert and high altitude. It was much hotter than it
ever gets here, but the humidity was low so it felt much nice. One of
the advantages of air conditioners is that they also act to reduce humidity.

On Sun, 13 Jul 2014 12:46:09 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 2014-07-13 12:10 PM, sf wrote:
>
> > Now it's coming out that swamp coolers put humidity into the air which
> > is the last thing you'd want in the Midwest and South. I think it's
> > true for the East coast too. They have high humidity with soaring
> > temperatures.
>
>
> July around here is hot and humid. For the locals, hot is mid 80s. A
> lot of us have dehumidifiers to remove the moisture from the air, and
> that makes it seem cooler. Some years ago I was in the interior of BC
> which is a semi dessert and high altitude. It was much hotter than it
> ever gets here, but the humidity was low so it felt much nice. One of
> the advantages of air conditioners is that they also act to reduce humidity.
>
When I was a kid, we survived summers in Michigan without an air
conditioner by using a dehumidifier. Not saying one made a huge
difference (we probably should have had one in every room), but at
least the heat was more tolerable.

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"Christine Dabney" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 13 Jul 2014 10:59:11 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>I hadn't heard of swamp coolers before but from what I read, they are very
>>popular in various part of USA. If they work then I don't understand the
>>put downs about it.
>
> I live in an area (Albuquerque, NM) that uses swamp coolers
> extensively. I use one: it is a whole house one. It sits on top of
> my house and my landlord comes over in the late spring and changes the
> pads and services it. It goes off in October here...
>
> One thing that needs to be noted is that they don't work well with
> higher humidity. The humidity here in NM is often in single digits,
> except during monsoon season, which is now. Now the humidity is
> about 36% and that is high for this area. The swamp cooler is
> running right now, and is doing it's best to cool my house down. But
> due to the higher humidity, it isn't doing as well as it does when it
> is dryer outside.

Thanks very much for that. I guess no one is putting you down for using
one? A whole house one? How does that work??

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"Christine Dabney" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 13 Jul 2014 19:25:51 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Christine Dabney" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Sun, 13 Jul 2014 10:59:11 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>I hadn't heard of swamp coolers before but from what I read, they are
>>>>very
>>>>popular in various part of USA. If they work then I don't understand
>>>>the
>>>>put downs about it.
>>>
>>> I live in an area (Albuquerque, NM) that uses swamp coolers
>>> extensively. I use one: it is a whole house one. It sits on top of
>>> my house and my landlord comes over in the late spring and changes the
>>> pads and services it. It goes off in October here...
>>>
>>> One thing that needs to be noted is that they don't work well with
>>> higher humidity. The humidity here in NM is often in single digits,
>>> except during monsoon season, which is now. Now the humidity is
>>> about 36% and that is high for this area. The swamp cooler is
>>> running right now, and is doing it's best to cool my house down. But
>>> due to the higher humidity, it isn't doing as well as it does when it
>>> is dryer outside.
>>
>>Thanks very much for that. I guess no one is putting you down for using
>>one? A whole house one? How does that work??
>
> It works just as a whole house A/C unit does..except it is a a swamp
> cooler.

Okayyyyyyyyyyy ;-)

>
> They are pretty standard here in this part of the US. It is more
> unusual to have A/C or what we call "refrigerated" air here. And the
> swamp coolers are much less expensive to use.


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"Ophelia" wrote:
>
>I hadn't heard of swamp coolers before but from what I read, they are very
>popular in various part of USA. If they work then I don't understand the
>put downs about it. We 'pays our money and takes our choice' as we are wont
>to say! My money, my choice!

With swamp coolers (evaporative coolers) there are positives and
negatives... they work okay in hot dry environments (like New Mexico)
but not in humid climates that are relatively cool (like the Pacific
Northwest). I don't recommend using a swamp cooler where
Julie lives, it not only won't operate efficiently but it will
generate a very unhealthful indoor environment, will cause wood rot
and rust but most importantly will generate the formation of
black mold. Evaporative coolers are good in a desert environment but
not in the PNW where Julie lives. Julie chose the cheap but very
unhealthful route, especially using a portable unit that cools only a
small area, while condensation accumulates inside the adjacent walls
and rooms. Also it is not recommended to use an evaporative cooler in
areas of hard water unless a water softener is employed, hard water
will further reduce the unit's efficiency so will greatly exacerbate
mold formation. When I lived in southern CA I rented so there were
times during the first two years I lived with a swamp cooler, they are
awful contraptions, the last three years I lived there I refused to
live with an evaporative cooler.
http://home.howstuffworks.com/home-i...amp-cooler.htm
http://www.air-n-water.com/troublesh...amp-cooler.htm

"Ophelia" wrote:
>
>You have such differences in so many areas. I am happy to accept what
>anyone tells me is good for them)

The US is large with many biomes.

Dave Smith wrote:
>
>July around here is hot and humid. For the locals, hot is mid 80s. A
>lot of us have dehumidifiers to remove the moisture from the air, and
>that makes it seem cooler. Some years ago I was in the interior of BC
>which is a semi dessert and high altitude. It was much hotter than it
>ever gets here, but the humidity was low so it felt much nice. One of
>the advantages of air conditioners is that they also act to reduce humidity.

A/C also removes particulates... my system has an Aprilaire filter
built in, also UV lamps, I rarely need to dust or vacuum and the UV
does a great job eliminating bacteria, viruses, and mold spores. If
not for the cats I'd only need to dust and vacuum perhaps twice a
year... and I've had one cold in eleven years, probably caught
outside. The Aprilaire filtration and UV lamps more than pay for
themselves by saving on medical bills, and misery. A new filter
element once every two years costs $40, two UV lamps every two years
cost $180. My unit runs 24/7, when it doesn't call for cooling it
switches to low speed. I don't open windows, I don't even have
screens, I hate looking out through filthy pollen laden screens.
http://www.aprilaire.com/

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 13 Jul 2014 02:05:46 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 22:20:48 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Odd thing is, my mom's place is perhaps 6 miles from here but in a
>> >> different
>> >> city. Her weather forecast for the next 10 days has the highs in the
>> >> low
>> >> 70's and a low of 68. But our temps are supposed to be between 80 to
>> >> 90
>> >> with most being around 88. Of course there is a chance this will be
>> >> wrong.
>> >> The forecast is often not accurate.
>> >
>> > On the West Coast, 6 miles can be a world away as far as weather. I
>> > need to travel ten miles for that to happen, but it's all relative.
>>
>> I guess we're just different here.
>
> There are micro-climates elsewhere too, but I only heard about them
> when we were "leaf peeping" a couple of years ago and it was in the
> NE.
>
Oh... Hmmm... I do know that we live in a convergence zone here but then
so do my mom and bro. And even though we are all in the same convergence
zone, we don't all have the same weather. There was a time when snow was
falling like mad here but at my mom's old house, about 9 miles from here, it
was 10 degrees warmer. That house is closer to the water so that does
factor in.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 13 Jul 2014 10:59:11 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 19:05:03 -0600, Janet Bostwick
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Wed, 09 Jul 2014 07:56:15 -0700, sf > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> snip
>> >> >>
>> >> >You can buy window units for $50 on sale, but stand alone room air
>> >> >conditioners are more expensive and begin around $300. Personally,
>> >> >I'd get a ductless unit if it was an issue - but in reality a fan
>> >> >works just fine when the temps hit 80° at my house (I need moving
>> >> >air). If it was any hotter on a regular basis, I'd be spending real
>> >> >money to fix the problem.
>> >>
>> >> We don't have AC. We have never seen the need for one. Our temps
>> >> drop to 60 overnight. You leave the windows open. In the morning,
>> >> you put the window fan on high at one end of the house and another fan
>> >> blowing out at the other end. Open all doors and windows. Keep an
>> >> eye on the temps. When outside and inside temps equal at 70 or so,
>> >> close everything up. Keep a fan going. You will be good until about
>> >> 8 at night when you open everything up again. You just have to be
>> >> bright enough and not too lazy in order to manage. On the other hand,
>> >> if you just want a reason to shop on the Internet, a swamp cooler
>> >> fills the bill
>> >> Janet US
>> >
>> > Agree. That's how that goes 99% of the time in my microclimate,
>> > except I have zero experience with a swamp cooler so I can't comment
>> > on aspect. A regular , super cheap, fan bought on sale at the
>> > drugstore works for me.
>>
>> I hadn't heard of swamp coolers before but from what I read, they are
>> very
>> popular in various part of USA. If they work then I don't understand the
>> put downs about it. We 'pays our money and takes our choice' as we are
>> wont
>> to say! My money, my choice!
>
> Now it's coming out that swamp coolers put humidity into the air which
> is the last thing you'd want in the Midwest and South. I think it's
> true for the East coast too. They have high humidity with soaring
> temperatures. Makes it hard to breathe. The Southwest and West have
> low humidity (so little that it's never discussed unless you're
> talking to someone from back East), so a swamp cooler would work out
> here. There's good and bad with both situations. The good part for
> the West is higher temps are easier to take (that's why old people
> move to the Southwest). Slightly inland, it can hit 80 and you'd
> never know it was that hot if you didn't look at a thermometer, but it
> also means less rain - so water is metered, expensive and sometimes
> rationed.
>
Yes. I did post both world and US maps that show where they work best. My
mom said we did have one in Wichita though. The unit I have can also be
used as a fan and you can vary the output of water so you can make changes
depending on the humidity.

I do remember reading about them in the Sears catalog when I was a kid and
it said something like best used West of the Mississippi. That pretty much
seems to be true.

"sf" > wrote in message
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> On Sun, 13 Jul 2014 12:46:09 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2014-07-13 12:10 PM, sf wrote:
>>
>> > Now it's coming out that swamp coolers put humidity into the air which
>> > is the last thing you'd want in the Midwest and South. I think it's
>> > true for the East coast too. They have high humidity with soaring
>> > temperatures.
>>
>>
>> July around here is hot and humid. For the locals, hot is mid 80s. A
>> lot of us have dehumidifiers to remove the moisture from the air, and
>> that makes it seem cooler. Some years ago I was in the interior of BC
>> which is a semi dessert and high altitude. It was much hotter than it
>> ever gets here, but the humidity was low so it felt much nice. One of
>> the advantages of air conditioners is that they also act to reduce
>> humidity.
>>
> When I was a kid, we survived summers in Michigan without an air
> conditioner by using a dehumidifier. Not saying one made a huge
> difference (we probably should have had one in every room), but at
> least the heat was more tolerable.

We lived on Cape Cod for 5 years and only had AC for perhaps 5 months and
only then in one room. I got the dehumidifier for the basement perhaps the
second year that we lived there. By then the damp smell was unbearable.
The humidity was so high there that I had to empty out the until twice a
day. Perhaps I should have gotten one for the upstairs as well.

"Christine Dabney" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 13 Jul 2014 19:25:51 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Christine Dabney" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Sun, 13 Jul 2014 10:59:11 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>I hadn't heard of swamp coolers before but from what I read, they are
>>>>very
>>>>popular in various part of USA. If they work then I don't understand
>>>>the
>>>>put downs about it.
>>>
>>> I live in an area (Albuquerque, NM) that uses swamp coolers
>>> extensively. I use one: it is a whole house one. It sits on top of
>>> my house and my landlord comes over in the late spring and changes the
>>> pads and services it. It goes off in October here...
>>>
>>> One thing that needs to be noted is that they don't work well with
>>> higher humidity. The humidity here in NM is often in single digits,
>>> except during monsoon season, which is now. Now the humidity is
>>> about 36% and that is high for this area. The swamp cooler is
>>> running right now, and is doing it's best to cool my house down. But
>>> due to the higher humidity, it isn't doing as well as it does when it
>>> is dryer outside.
>>
>>Thanks very much for that. I guess no one is putting you down for using
>>one? A whole house one? How does that work??
>
> It works just as a whole house A/C unit does..except it is a a swamp
> cooler.
>
> They are pretty standard here in this part of the US. It is more
> unusual to have A/C or what we call "refrigerated" air here. And the
> swamp coolers are much less expensive to use.

Thanks! From what I have read, most of the big box stores here do use what
you have but obviously in a much larger scale, rather than AC. But there
are still a lot of businesses that have no AC at all here. I don't even
think many people have swamp coolers in their homes. I've only ever heard
one person speak of one. She wanted one for our office at K Mart which was
sweltering year round do to our bad ventilation system. But now that I know
more about them, it wouldn't have worked there at all.

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> "Ophelia" wrote:
>>
>>I hadn't heard of swamp coolers before but from what I read, they are very
>>popular in various part of USA. If they work then I don't understand the
>>put downs about it. We 'pays our money and takes our choice' as we are
>>wont
>>to say! My money, my choice!
>
> With swamp coolers (evaporative coolers) there are positives and
> negatives... they work okay in hot dry environments (like New Mexico)
> but not in humid climates that are relatively cool (like the Pacific
> Northwest). I don't recommend using a swamp cooler where
> Julie lives, it not only won't operate efficiently but it will
> generate a very unhealthful indoor environment, will cause wood rot
> and rust but most importantly will generate the formation of
> black mold. Evaporative coolers are good in a desert environment but
> not in the PNW where Julie lives. Julie chose the cheap but very
> unhealthful route, especially using a portable unit that cools only a
> small area, while condensation accumulates inside the adjacent walls
> and rooms. Also it is not recommended to use an evaporative cooler in
> areas of hard water unless a water softener is employed, hard water
> will further reduce the unit's efficiency so will greatly exacerbate
> mold formation. When I lived in southern CA I rented so there were
> times during the first two years I lived with a swamp cooler, they are
> awful contraptions, the last three years I lived there I refused to
> live with an evaporative cooler.
> http://home.howstuffworks.com/home-i...amp-cooler.htm
> http://www.air-n-water.com/troublesh...amp-cooler.htm

I REALLY wish you people would stop saying it is humid here. I have posted
the links to this again and again. Here it is one again!

http://www.komonews.com/weather/blog...219804621.html

As you can see... When it is cool, we have high humidity. But it does not
feel muggy. As the temperature rises, the relative humidity drops. So when
it is hot, it is dry. Not as dry as Las Vegas, but still dry enough for a
swamp cooler.