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![]() Didn't know they existed until I saw this episode, but it makes perfect sense to me and now I want a perforated pizza peel! http://livewellnetwork.com/Good-Cook...herita/8368936 -- All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt. |
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On 7/2/2014 6:18 PM, sf wrote:
> > Didn't know they existed until I saw this episode, but it makes > perfect sense to me and now I want a perforated pizza peel! > http://livewellnetwork.com/Good-Cook...herita/8368936 > I was unable to watch the video - "Unable to play the content. Try again." Trying again didn't work. I will say that the best Pizza Margherita I've ever eaten was in a small town outside Venice, Italy. Made all the varieties we have here in the US pale by comparison. -- DreadfulBitch I'm a nobody, nobody is perfect, therefore I'm perfect. |
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On Wed, 02 Jul 2014 18:39:56 -0500, DreadfulBitch
> wrote: >On 7/2/2014 6:18 PM, sf wrote: >> >> Didn't know they existed until I saw this episode, but it makes >> perfect sense to me and now I want a perforated pizza peel! >> http://livewellnetwork.com/Good-Cook...herita/8368936 >> > >I was unable to watch the video - "Unable to play the content. Try >again." Trying again didn't work. > Same here. John Kuthe... >I will say that the best Pizza Margherita I've ever eaten was in a small >town outside Venice, Italy. Made all the varieties we have here in the >US pale by comparison. |
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![]() "John Kuthe" > wrote in message ... > On Wed, 02 Jul 2014 18:39:56 -0500, DreadfulBitch > > wrote: > >>On 7/2/2014 6:18 PM, sf wrote: >>> >>> Didn't know they existed until I saw this episode, but it makes >>> perfect sense to me and now I want a perforated pizza peel! >>> http://livewellnetwork.com/Good-Cook...herita/8368936 >>> >> >>I was unable to watch the video - "Unable to play the content. Try >>again." Trying again didn't work. >> > > Same here. > yeah but the dozens of advertising addresses seemed to pop by and load just fine. |
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![]() "sf" > wrote in message ... > > Didn't know they existed until I saw this episode, but it makes > perfect sense to me and now I want a perforated pizza peel! > http://livewellnetwork.com/Good-Cook...herita/8368936 > what is the sense? you don't cook on a peel. |
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![]() "sf" > wrote in message ... > > Didn't know they existed until I saw this episode, but it makes > perfect sense to me and now I want a perforated pizza peel! > http://livewellnetwork.com/Good-Cook...herita/8368936 I have seen them. I have no peel. But what is the purpose of the perforations? Since you don't bake it on the peel... |
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On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 4:39:56 PM UTC-7, DreadfulBitch wrote:
> On 7/2/2014 6:18 PM, sf wrote: > > > > > > Didn't know they existed until I saw this episode, but it makes > > perfect sense to me and now I want a perforated pizza peel! > > > http://livewellnetwork.com/Good-Cook...herita/8368936 > > > I was unable to watch the video - "Unable to play the content. Try > again." Trying again didn't work. > Same here, so what in the world does a perforated pizza peel do for the chef? > > I will say that the best Pizza Margherita I've ever eaten was in a small > town outside Venice, Italy. Made all the varieties we have here in the > US pale by comparison. > the Pizza Margherita was created by Ralph Esposito of Naples for the King and Queen of the relatively newly united Italy, Umberto and Margherita of Savoy (the king's cousin). Pizza is a product of the poverty-stricken south, not the affluent north, so that Venice excelled is surprising. Esposito is a common Italian surname implying that the holder (or his forebear) is a foundling. "Esposito" means "the exposed one," one left on the church steps for the priests and or nuns to raise. |
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On Thursday, July 3, 2014 10:24:04 AM UTC+10, wrote:
> > Same here, so what in the world does a perforated pizza peel do for > the chef? Advertising would have it that the holes reduce friction, which isn't true. Holes will reduce the "suction cup effect", which is the probable source of that claim. The other practical effects are that excess flour will fall through the holes, and the peel is lighter. Metal peels might also be driven by food safety inspectors being down on wood in commercial kitchens. |
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![]() "Timo" > wrote in message ... On Thursday, July 3, 2014 10:24:04 AM UTC+10, wrote: > > Same here, so what in the world does a perforated pizza peel do for > the chef? Advertising would have it that the holes reduce friction, which isn't true. Holes will reduce the "suction cup effect", which is the probable source of that claim. The other practical effects are that excess flour will fall through the holes, and the peel is lighter. Metal peels might also be driven by food safety inspectors being down on wood in commercial kitchens. ----------- food safety inspectors would surely prefer a solid metal peel to a perforated peel. |
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On 7/2/2014 7:18 PM, sf wrote:
> > Didn't know they existed until I saw this episode, but it makes > perfect sense to me and now I want a perforated pizza peel! > http://livewellnetwork.com/Good-Cook...herita/8368936 > What is the advantage? The peel is just a conveying tool. Slide off into the oven, slide the peel under to take it out, then slide it off again. I don't see how perforations would change anything of the wood works. |
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"sf" > wrote...
> > http://livewellnetwork.com/Good-Cook...herita/8368936 That looks more like a shallow bowl of tomato soup than a pizza. Way, way too much sauce, IMO. -- Larry |
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![]() "pltrgyst" > wrote in message ... > "sf" > wrote... >> >> http://livewellnetwork.com/Good-Cook...herita/8368936 > > That looks more like a shallow bowl of tomato soup than a pizza. Way, way > too much sauce, IMO. > that pizza looks lousy for a number of reasons. |
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On Wed, 2 Jul 2014 17:00:11 -0700, "Pico Rico" >
wrote: > yeah but the dozens of advertising addresses seemed to pop by and load just > fine. I have ad blockers, so I saw none of that sh*t. -- All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt. |
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![]() "sf" > wrote in message ... > On Wed, 2 Jul 2014 17:00:11 -0700, "Pico Rico" > > wrote: > >> yeah but the dozens of advertising addresses seemed to pop by and load >> just >> fine. > > I have ad blockers, so I saw none of that sh*t. > I am not sure I saw it either, but the lower left bar showed all these add sites in rapid succession. What is all that junk? |
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On 7/2/2014 7:08 PM, Pico Rico wrote:
> "sf" > wrote in message > ... >> >> Didn't know they existed until I saw this episode, but it makes >> perfect sense to me and now I want a perforated pizza peel! >> http://livewellnetwork.com/Good-Cook...herita/8368936 >> > > what is the sense? you don't cook on a peel. > > I looked it up on another site. The claim is that the perforations keep excess flour from being carried to the oven where it could burn and produce a bitter taste. A google search also brought up a site with instructions on how to make your own perforated peel. -- DreadfulBitch I'm a nobody, nobody is perfect, therefore I'm perfect. |
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On 7/2/2014 8:55 PM, Pico Rico wrote:
> "pltrgyst" > wrote in message > ... >> "sf" > wrote... >>> >>> http://livewellnetwork.com/Good-Cook...herita/8368936 > that pizza looks lousy for a number of reasons. > > Disagree!! I wouldn't want it if I was in the mood for mouths full of stringy cheese, but if I wanted a wonderfully seasoned tomato sauce with just the perfect amount of cheese it would look like the one pictured. -- DreadfulBitch I'm a nobody, nobody is perfect, therefore I'm perfect. |
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On Wed, 02 Jul 2014 18:39:56 -0500, DreadfulBitch
> wrote: > On 7/2/2014 6:18 PM, sf wrote: > > > > Didn't know they existed until I saw this episode, but it makes > > perfect sense to me and now I want a perforated pizza peel! > > http://livewellnetwork.com/Good-Cook...herita/8368936 > > > > I was unable to watch the video - "Unable to play the content. Try > again." Trying again didn't work. > Sorry it didn't work for you. Not sure what the problem was, do you have a java blocker installed and need to allow the site? > I will say that the best Pizza Margherita I've ever eaten was in a small > town outside Venice, Italy. Made all the varieties we have here in the > US pale by comparison. I hated what I saw in Naples so much that I didn't want to order one when we were there. Ordered a different pizza in Venice and wasn't impressed. The pizza I liked best over there was in Sicily. The crust was a bit too thick for me, but the it was passable over all. Crust is my big thing and I've decided I prefer (my own) California style thin crust. -- All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt. |
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On Wed, 2 Jul 2014 18:59:56 -0700, "Pico Rico" >
wrote: > > "sf" > wrote in message > ... > > On Wed, 2 Jul 2014 17:00:11 -0700, "Pico Rico" > > > wrote: > > > >> yeah but the dozens of advertising addresses seemed to pop by and load > >> just > >> fine. > > > > I have ad blockers, so I saw none of that sh*t. > > > > I am not sure I saw it either, but the lower left bar showed all these add > sites in rapid succession. What is all that junk? > No idea, my feed was clean. -- All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt. |
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On Wed, 2 Jul 2014 17:52:21 -0700 (PDT), Timo >
wrote: > On Thursday, July 3, 2014 10:24:04 AM UTC+10, wrote: > > > > Same here, so what in the world does a perforated pizza peel do for > > the chef? > > Advertising would have it that the holes reduce friction, which isn't true. Holes will reduce the "suction cup effect", which is the probable source of that claim. The other practical effects are that excess flour will fall through the holes, and the peel is lighter. > > Metal peels might also be driven by food safety inspectors being down on wood in commercial kitchens. That's not what the video said. -- All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt. |
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On Wed, 2 Jul 2014 18:02:50 -0700, "Pico Rico" >
wrote: > food safety inspectors would surely prefer a solid metal peel to a > perforated peel. > Why? -- All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt. |
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On Wed, 02 Jul 2014 21:15:33 -0500, DreadfulBitch
> wrote: > On 7/2/2014 7:08 PM, Pico Rico wrote: > > "sf" > wrote in message > > ... > >> > >> Didn't know they existed until I saw this episode, but it makes > >> perfect sense to me and now I want a perforated pizza peel! > >> http://livewellnetwork.com/Good-Cook...herita/8368936 > >> > > > > what is the sense? you don't cook on a peel. > > > > > I looked it up on another site. The claim is that the perforations keep > excess flour from being carried to the oven where it could burn and > produce a bitter taste. > > A google search also brought up a site with instructions on how to make > your own perforated peel. Yes! Glad you took the time to look. ![]() -- All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt. |
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On Wed, 02 Jul 2014 21:37:32 -0400, pltrgyst > wrote:
> "sf" > wrote... > > > > http://livewellnetwork.com/Good-Cook...herita/8368936 > > That looks more like a shallow bowl of tomato soup than a pizza. Way, > way too much sauce, IMO. > You've never seen a pizza margherita up close and in person? The man featured in the video runs a well known pizzeria that makes just about every known style of pizza. http://tonyspizzanapoletana.com/ -- All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt. |
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On Wed, 2 Jul 2014 18:55:59 -0700, "Pico Rico" >
wrote: > > "pltrgyst" > wrote in message > ... > > "sf" > wrote... > >> > >> http://livewellnetwork.com/Good-Cook...herita/8368936 > > > > That looks more like a shallow bowl of tomato soup than a pizza. Way, way > > too much sauce, IMO. > > > > that pizza looks lousy for a number of reasons. > It is a good representation of a pizza margharita, which is something I don't like. I've tried, but it's just too blah for me. -- All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt. |
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On Wed, 02 Jul 2014 21:15:16 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> On 7/2/2014 7:18 PM, sf wrote: > > > > Didn't know they existed until I saw this episode, but it makes > > perfect sense to me and now I want a perforated pizza peel! > > http://livewellnetwork.com/Good-Cook...herita/8368936 > > > > What is the advantage? The peel is just a conveying tool. Slide off > into the oven, slide the peel under to take it out, then slide it off > again. I don't see how perforations would change anything of the wood > works. Did you watch the video and listen to what he said? I have a wooden peel and I have a cookie sheet that I've used as a metal peel. Based on my experience with them, I want one with holes in it too. I found a metal peel on the Target site that's under $20. I will buy it or something similar and then persuade a certain person close to me to drill big holes in it. ![]() -- All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt. |
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![]() "sf" > wrote in message ... > On Wed, 2 Jul 2014 18:02:50 -0700, "Pico Rico" > > wrote: > >> food safety inspectors would surely prefer a solid metal peel to a >> perforated peel. >> > > Why? little spaces for the cooties to hide. |
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![]() "sf" > wrote in message ... > On Wed, 02 Jul 2014 21:15:16 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote: > >> On 7/2/2014 7:18 PM, sf wrote: >> > >> > Didn't know they existed until I saw this episode, but it makes >> > perfect sense to me and now I want a perforated pizza peel! >> > http://livewellnetwork.com/Good-Cook...herita/8368936 >> > >> >> What is the advantage? The peel is just a conveying tool. Slide off >> into the oven, slide the peel under to take it out, then slide it off >> again. I don't see how perforations would change anything of the wood >> works. > > Did you watch the video and listen to what he said? I have a wooden > peel and I have a cookie sheet that I've used as a metal peel. Based > on my experience with them, I want one with holes in it too. I found > a metal peel on the Target site that's under $20. I will buy it or > something similar and then persuade a certain person close to me to > drill big holes in it. ![]() did you read that the video doesn't work for many of us? so, of course we didn't watch or listen. Based on my experience with a wooden peel, I think there are a lot of people lacking experience. |
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On Wed, 2 Jul 2014 17:00:11 -0700, "Pico Rico" >
wrote: > >"John Kuthe" > wrote in message .. . >> On Wed, 02 Jul 2014 18:39:56 -0500, DreadfulBitch >> > wrote: >> >>>On 7/2/2014 6:18 PM, sf wrote: >>>> >>>> Didn't know they existed until I saw this episode, but it makes >>>> perfect sense to me and now I want a perforated pizza peel! >>>> http://livewellnetwork.com/Good-Cook...herita/8368936 >>>> >>> >>>I was unable to watch the video - "Unable to play the content. Try >>>again." Trying again didn't work. >>> >> >> Same here. >> > > >yeah but the dozens of advertising addresses seemed to pop by and load just >fine. > Not for me. I use Adblock Plus!! John Kuthe... |
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On Wed, 2 Jul 2014 17:13:11 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote: > > "sf" > wrote in message > ... > > > > Didn't know they existed until I saw this episode, but it makes > > perfect sense to me and now I want a perforated pizza peel! > > http://livewellnetwork.com/Good-Cook...herita/8368936 > > I have seen them. I have no peel. But what is the purpose of the > perforations? Since you don't bake it on the peel... You weren't able to view it either? It's explained in the video. -- All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt. |
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On Thursday, July 3, 2014 11:02:50 AM UTC+10, Pico Rico wrote:
> > food safety inspectors would surely prefer a solid metal peel to a > perforated peel. Yes, surely. But if perforated metal meets the rules, perforated metal will be acceptable. Don't know of any place where perforated metal is a no-no, but it's possible, since "smooth, impervious, free of cracks and crevices, nonporous, nonabsorbent, nonreactive, corrosion resistant, nontoxic, and cleanable" or similar is common for food contact surfaces, and somebody could decide that holes make it fail a few of those. Some places, wooden handles on pizza peels aren't acceptable, let alone wooden pizza peels. |
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On Wed, 02 Jul 2014 19:51:54 -0700, sf > wrote:
>On Wed, 02 Jul 2014 21:15:16 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote: > >> On 7/2/2014 7:18 PM, sf wrote: >> > >> > Didn't know they existed until I saw this episode, but it makes >> > perfect sense to me and now I want a perforated pizza peel! >> > http://livewellnetwork.com/Good-Cook...herita/8368936 >> > >> >> What is the advantage? The peel is just a conveying tool. Slide off >> into the oven, slide the peel under to take it out, then slide it off >> again. I don't see how perforations would change anything of the wood >> works. > >Did you watch the video and listen to what he said? I have a wooden >peel and I have a cookie sheet that I've used as a metal peel. Based >on my experience with them, I want one with holes in it too. I found >a metal peel on the Target site that's under $20. I will buy it or >something similar and then persuade a certain person close to me to >drill big holes in it. ![]() Like other's experience, the video did not play so I have no idea. Why not tell us? |
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![]() "sf" > wrote in message ... > On Wed, 2 Jul 2014 17:13:11 -0700, "Julie Bove" > > wrote: > >> >> "sf" > wrote in message >> ... >> > >> > Didn't know they existed until I saw this episode, but it makes >> > perfect sense to me and now I want a perforated pizza peel! >> > http://livewellnetwork.com/Good-Cook...herita/8368936 >> >> I have seen them. I have no peel. But what is the purpose of the >> perforations? Since you don't bake it on the peel... > > You weren't able to view it either? It's explained in the video. It wouldn't play for me either. -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/ |
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On 7/2/14, 10:15 PM, DreadfulBitch wrote:
> I looked it up on another site. The claim is that the perforations keep > excess flour from being carried to the oven where it could burn and > produce a bitter taste. You shouldn't have excess flour on your dough anyway. Any such should fall off when you transfer the dough to the peel, and either the peel should be dusted heavily with corn meal, or you should be using parchment paper. > A google search also brought up a site with instructions on how to make > your own perforated peel. I wouldn't take a perforated peel as a gift. If the dough is soft enough and the holes large enough, the dough will sag into the holes and not slide off easily. Plus, aluminum peels never remain perfectly flat. The edges of the holes will deform and snag the dough, again preventing it from sliding. IMO, it's a bad idea, period. -- Larry |
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On Wed, 02 Jul 2014 18:51:30 -0500, John Kuthe >
wrote: >On Wed, 02 Jul 2014 18:39:56 -0500, DreadfulBitch > wrote: > >>On 7/2/2014 6:18 PM, sf wrote: >>> >>> Didn't know they existed until I saw this episode, but it makes >>> perfect sense to me and now I want a perforated pizza peel! >>> http://livewellnetwork.com/Good-Cook...herita/8368936 >>> >> >>I was unable to watch the video - "Unable to play the content. Try >>again." Trying again didn't work. >> > >Same here. > >John Kuthe... A perforated pizza peel is just another gimmick to pick the pinhead's wallets, and add kitchen klutter. Use a perforated pizza pan (or pizza screen) and you'll need no pizza peel and no pizza stone... a pizza stone for a home oven is also a gimmick, you cannot turn a home oven into a brick oven, can't be done, only the bricks for brains believe they can. |
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On 7/3/2014 12:30 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> A perforated pizza peel is just another gimmick to pick the pinhead's > wallets, and add kitchen klutter. Use a perforated pizza pan (or > pizza screen) and you'll need no pizza peel and no pizza stone... a > pizza stone for a home oven is also a gimmick, you cannot turn a home > oven into a brick oven, can't be done, only the bricks for brains > believe they can. Some people really seem to love pizza and make it often. They're the ones who want these things. I don't think about pizza enough to care one way or the other. My middle brother used to try to give me foodie gifts. I'm really not into all that stuff/gadgets. Years ago he gave me a pizza stone. He probably he saw it on some cooking show. I had your basic, garden variety apartment electric stove/oven. It worked fine but it was nothing to write home about. I tried to use the pizza stone but even with a good sprinkling of cornmeal, the dough/crust stuck like crazy. It sure didn't do that when baked on a nicely seasoned heavy pizza pan. Of course you have to oil the pan. I had one of those perforated pizza pans at one time. I really only found them to work well with frozen pizza. But frozen pizza is not what sf is talking about. Jill |
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On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 7:18:13 PM UTC-4, sf wrote:
> Didn't know they existed until I saw this episode, but it makes > > perfect sense to me and now I want a perforated pizza peel! > > http://livewellnetwork.com/Good-Cook...herita/8368936 In case you're interested, I have been baking my pizzas on these things for some time now. No peel necessary. http://www.webstaurantstore.com/3223...zza-disks.html Gives me a reasonably crispy crust in the lower part of a hot home oven without having to heat up pizza stones / quarry tiles for an hour. Wetter, thinner dough, no 2nd rise, hot-hot oven for a "thin-crust" pizza. Drier, thicker dough, let it rise a little bit for a second time, not-as-hot oven for a "thick-crust" pizza. I like 'em both ways. -- Silvar Beitel |
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On Wed, 2 Jul 2014 19:52:08 -0700, "Pico Rico" >
wrote: > > "sf" > wrote in message > ... > > On Wed, 2 Jul 2014 18:02:50 -0700, "Pico Rico" > > > wrote: > > > >> food safety inspectors would surely prefer a solid metal peel to a > >> perforated peel. > >> > > > > Why? > > little spaces for the cooties to hide. > Apparently they don't have a problem with them, because the person who demonstrated it owns a well known pizza joint on Washington Square. -- All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt. |
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On Thu, 3 Jul 2014 11:08:09 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote: > > > "sf" > wrote in message > ... > > On Wed, 2 Jul 2014 17:13:11 -0700, "Julie Bove" > > > wrote: > > > >> > >> "sf" > wrote in message > >> ... > >> > > >> > Didn't know they existed until I saw this episode, but it makes > >> > perfect sense to me and now I want a perforated pizza peel! > >> > http://livewellnetwork.com/Good-Cook...herita/8368936 > >> > >> I have seen them. I have no peel. But what is the purpose of the > >> perforations? Since you don't bake it on the peel... > > > > You weren't able to view it either? It's explained in the video. > > It wouldn't play for me either. I tried bother browsers and it played on both last night. Today, I got the same error message everyone else got. Wish I knew what the problem was, but I don't. I found a similar video on Youtube this morning that I'll post in a new thread: same guy, same demonstration, different video. He's hot and tired in this one and doesn't get into the details he went into on the other one - but you can see a perforated peel and he mentions why they use it. This one is a standard perforated peel, but the one in the video you can't play looks like someone drilled big holes in it and that's what I want. -- All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt. |
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