On Wednesday, August 27, 2014 5:46:49 PM UTC-5, DavidW wrote:
> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> > http://www.amazon.com/Zyliss-Classic...=cheese+grater
>
>
>
> I've just ordered one of those.

Sheldon is sometimes correct, and his recommendation of a Zyliss product
is one of those times. They don't make junk, and I think that you'll
probably be happy with your purchase.

I bought a couple of pounds of Reggiano today @ $9.99/#. I used it for
egg noodle Alfredo in a 1:2 ratio with green cylinder domestic Parmesan.
The stuff I got was very fresh, and higher moisture than any Reggiano
I've bought before. I crumbled it in by hand.

--Bryan

Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-08-27 6:32 PM, DavidW wrote:
>
>> I'm not so sure. It might be too fine a grater, but I think it's
>> working okay. Looking at how fine the strands are that come out of
>> it I don't believe you can grate 20g in less than a minute as some
>> are claiming. The finer the grate the longer it will take.
>
> You could not figure out from the size of the grater teeth how fine it
> would grate?

No. The teeth look a lot coarser than the grate they produced. Anyway, it was
the only plane grater they had, and I hadn't used a new grater before.

"DavidW" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>> "DavidW" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You either use too much cheese
>>>
>>> I gave the weight.
>>
>> You did but I've never weighed my food so I have no clue how much
>> that would be.
>
> To give an idea, I grated most of the rest in one sitting to get it out of
> the way. I grated it into a soup bowl, which I had to empty before I
> finished because it was getting too full. The total was 80g, so let's say
> that's about one soup bowl. But after grating, most of it is air of
> course.
>
> When I add the cheese to the pasta and sauce it is in a thick layer in the
> middle of the bowl, completely concealing the sauce, so 20g has quite a
> lot of volume.
>
>>>
>>>> are have a really bad sense of time.
>>>> or you just like to exaggerate for attention, Bove-Style.
>>>
>>> I timed it.
>>
>> But you are doing something wrong or you got a bad grater.
>
> I'm not so sure. It might be too fine a grater, but I think it's working
> okay. Looking at how fine the strands are that come out of it I don't
> believe you can grate 20g in less than a minute as some are claiming. The
> finer the grate the longer it will take.

---

I looked it up. Apparently 30g is a typical serving. That would equate to
1.5 oz.

On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 08:46:49 +1000, "DavidW" >
wrote:

> Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > http://www.amazon.com/Zyliss-Classic...=cheese+grater
>
> I've just ordered one of those.
>

I have one of those things and hate it. It lives at the back of a
drawer now.


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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 08:46:49 +1000, "DavidW" >
> wrote:
>
>> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> > http://www.amazon.com/Zyliss-Classic...=cheese+grater
>>
>> I've just ordered one of those.
>>
>
> I have one of those things and hate it. It lives at the back of a
> drawer now.

I used to have a Mouli brand of that design but it was all metal. I loved
it but rarely used it for cheese. I mostly used it for chocolate. I used
to make a chocolate tweed cake that called for grated chocolate.

I had issues when using it with cheese because you had to first cut it so
that it would fit into the grater and then you were always left with this
little odd bit that simply wouldn't grate.

The Mouli really only lasted for a couple of years. The metal was somewhat
thin and it eventually got too much out of shape and I think maybe it broke.
Can't remember for sure as this would have been about 30 years ago. I tried
to buy another but now they are making them with a little plastic handle and
that always breaks off. So, I won't try that style again.

sf wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 08:46:49 +1000, "DavidW" >
> wrote:
>
>> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>
http://www.amazon.com/Zyliss-Classic...FDZJG2/ref=sr_
1_2?s=kitchen&ie=UTF8&qid=1409166884&sr=1-2&keywords=cheese+grater
>>
>> I've just ordered one of those.
>>
>
> I have one of those things and hate it. It lives at the back of a
> drawer now.

There's a bunch of good reviews at Amazon. I took them into account. If it's no
good, no great loss.

"DavidW" wrote:

>sf wrote:
>> On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 08:46:49 +1000, "DavidW" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>
>http://www.amazon.com/Zyliss-Classic...FDZJG2/ref=sr_
>1_2?s=kitchen&ie=UTF8&qid=1409166884&sr=1-2&keywords=cheese+grater
>>>
>>> I've just ordered one of those.
>>>
>>
>> I have one of those things and hate it. It lives at the back of a
>> drawer now.
>
>There's a bunch of good reviews at Amazon. I took them into account. If it's no
>good, no great loss.

You'll have it within a week, report back.
http://www.zyliss.com/en-us/

On 2014-08-28 1:21 AM, Julie Bove wrote:

>> I'm not so sure. It might be too fine a grater, but I think it's
>> working okay. Looking at how fine the strands are that come out of it
>> I don't believe you can grate 20g in less than a minute as some are
>> claiming. The finer the grate the longer it will take.
>
> ---
>
> I looked it up. Apparently 30g is a typical serving. That would equate
> to 1.5 oz.

Did you look it up in the Moron's Guide to Metric Conversion? There are
28.3 grams in an ounce, and 30 grams is equal to 1.05 oz, not 1.5 oz.
Perhaps published writers don't see the difference that zero makes.

On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:02:56 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 2014-08-28 1:21 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> >> I'm not so sure. It might be too fine a grater, but I think it's
> >> working okay. Looking at how fine the strands are that come out of it
> >> I don't believe you can grate 20g in less than a minute as some are
> >> claiming. The finer the grate the longer it will take.
> >
> > ---
> >
> > I looked it up. Apparently 30g is a typical serving. That would equate
> > to 1.5 oz.
>
> Did you look it up in the Moron's Guide to Metric Conversion? There are
> 28.3 grams in an ounce, and 30 grams is equal to 1.05 oz, not 1.5 oz.
> Perhaps published writers don't see the difference that zero makes.
>
I got my spice order - 1 oz is barely enough to make you blink if the
entire package blew into your eyes all at once, so a difference of .45
is not a big deal.


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On Thursday, August 28, 2014 12:02:56 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-08-28 1:21 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>
>
> >> I'm not so sure. It might be too fine a grater, but I think it's
>
> >> working okay. Looking at how fine the strands are that come out of it
>
> >> I don't believe you can grate 20g in less than a minute as some are
>
> >> claiming. The finer the grate the longer it will take.
>
> >
>
> > ---
>
> >
>
> > I looked it up. Apparently 30g is a typical serving. That would equate
>
> > to 1.5 oz.
>
>
>
> Did you look it up in the Moron's Guide to Metric Conversion? There are
>
> 28.3 grams in an ounce, and 30 grams is equal to 1.05 oz, not 1.5 oz.
>
> Perhaps published writers don't see the difference that zero makes.

Julie is stupid, but it can't be from drugs because she doesn't know how
many grams are in an ounce.

--Bryan

Brooklyn1 wrote:
> "DavidW" wrote:
>
>> sf wrote:
>>> On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 08:46:49 +1000, "DavidW" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Zyliss-Classic...FDZJG2/ref=sr_
>> 1_2?s=kitchen&ie=UTF8&qid=1409166884&sr=1-2&keywords=cheese+grater
>>>>
>>>> I've just ordered one of those.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I have one of those things and hate it. It lives at the back of a
>>> drawer now.
>>
>> There's a bunch of good reviews at Amazon. I took them into account.
>> If it's no good, no great loss.
>
> You'll have it within a week, report back.
> http://www.zyliss.com/en-us/

It hasn't shipped yet and their delivery estimate is 11-16 Sep., since it has to
travel across the Pacific. But anyway I will report back.

On 9/10/2014 8:06 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> I did it in 1/25th the
> time he claims. Hmmm.
>
> -sw


Dwarf mathematics, convert for metric height....

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 21:18:23 +1000, DavidW wrote:
>
>> DavidW wrote:
>>> I bought some parmesan cheese at a delicatessen and got them to grate
>>> it just to save me the trouble, but their machine grates it too
>>> finely IMO. I don't think grated parmesan should be the consistency
>>> of talcum powder (okay, slight exaggeration, but it's very fine). I
>>> could get a coarser result myself with a hand grater, but I was
>>> wondering if anyone knows of an electrical kitchen device, or an
>>> attachment for a food processor, that would do a similar job.
>>
>> Okay, so I got myself a plane grater, something roughly like this:
>> http://p.globalsources.com/IMAGES/PD...ese-grater.jpg
>>
>> I grated some Zanetti Reggiano with it. It works okay. It produces short,
>> tiny
>> filaments rather than grains. Not ideal, but better than talcum powder
>> from the
>> deli. It takes 4-5 minutes' grating per serve (about 20g), which is too
>> long
>> really.
>
> I just timed how long it took me to Microplane a 1" cube of Parmesan
> cheese. That's about 1 ounce from what I read on the nutrition
> labels. That's 27 grams. Anybody want to take a guess how long it
> took?
>
>
>
> Drum Roll............
>
>
>
> 12 seconds.
>
> And that wasn't even rushing it too hard. This was using the classic
> slim, unidirection 8" blade grater. With a 2 second deduction since
> that last 2-3 grams of a 1" block gets hard to hold without shredding
> your fingers.
>
> 12 seconds for me, 4-5 *minutes* for David. I did it in 1/25th the
> time he claims. Hmmm.
>

Yeah. That sounded weird. Only things I can figure is that he bought a
dull grater and/or is pressing the cheese far too hard or maybe was holding
the grater backwards.

On Wed, 10 Sep 2014 21:24:48 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
>> On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 21:18:23 +1000, DavidW wrote:
>>
>>> DavidW wrote:
>>>> I bought some parmesan cheese at a delicatessen and got them to grate
>>>> it just to save me the trouble, but their machine grates it too
>>>> finely IMO. I don't think grated parmesan should be the consistency
>>>> of talcum powder (okay, slight exaggeration, but it's very fine). I
>>>> could get a coarser result myself with a hand grater, but I was
>>>> wondering if anyone knows of an electrical kitchen device, or an
>>>> attachment for a food processor, that would do a similar job.
>>>
>>> Okay, so I got myself a plane grater, something roughly like this:
>>> http://p.globalsources.com/IMAGES/PD...ese-grater.jpg
>>>
>>> I grated some Zanetti Reggiano with it. It works okay. It produces short,
>>> tiny
>>> filaments rather than grains. Not ideal, but better than talcum powder
>>> from the
>>> deli. It takes 4-5 minutes' grating per serve (about 20g), which is too
>>> long
>>> really.
>>
>> I just timed how long it took me to Microplane a 1" cube of Parmesan
>> cheese. That's about 1 ounce from what I read on the nutrition
>> labels. That's 27 grams. Anybody want to take a guess how long it
>> took?
>>
>>
>>
>> Drum Roll............
>>
>>
>>
>> 12 seconds.
>>
>> And that wasn't even rushing it too hard. This was using the classic
>> slim, unidirection 8" blade grater. With a 2 second deduction since
>> that last 2-3 grams of a 1" block gets hard to hold without shredding
>> your fingers.
>>
>> 12 seconds for me, 4-5 *minutes* for David. I did it in 1/25th the
>> time he claims. Hmmm.
>>
>
>Yeah. That sounded weird. Only things I can figure is that he bought a
>dull grater and/or is pressing the cheese far too hard or maybe was holding
>the grater backwards.

Yeah, figgures you'd think that... only person on the planet who would
use a grater in the opposite direction is Juli Bove. LOL

On 2014-09-11 1:48 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Sep 2014 21:24:48 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 21:18:23 +1000, DavidW wrote:
>>>
>>>> DavidW wrote:
>>>>> I bought some parmesan cheese at a delicatessen and got them to grate
>>>>> it just to save me the trouble, but their machine grates it too
>>>>> finely IMO. I don't think grated parmesan should be the consistency
>>>>> of talcum powder (okay, slight exaggeration, but it's very fine). I
>>>>> could get a coarser result myself with a hand grater, but I was
>>>>> wondering if anyone knows of an electrical kitchen device, or an
>>>>> attachment for a food processor, that would do a similar job.
>>>>
>>>> Okay, so I got myself a plane grater, something roughly like this:
>>>> http://p.globalsources.com/IMAGES/PD...ese-grater.jpg
>>>>
>>>> I grated some Zanetti Reggiano with it. It works okay. It produces short,
>>>> tiny
>>>> filaments rather than grains. Not ideal, but better than talcum powder
>>>> from the
>>>> deli. It takes 4-5 minutes' grating per serve (about 20g), which is too
>>>> long
>>>> really.
>>>
>>> I just timed how long it took me to Microplane a 1" cube of Parmesan
>>> cheese. That's about 1 ounce from what I read on the nutrition
>>> labels. That's 27 grams. Anybody want to take a guess how long it
>>> took?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Drum Roll............
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 12 seconds.
>>>
>>> And that wasn't even rushing it too hard. This was using the classic
>>> slim, unidirection 8" blade grater. With a 2 second deduction since
>>> that last 2-3 grams of a 1" block gets hard to hold without shredding
>>> your fingers.
>>>
>>> 12 seconds for me, 4-5 *minutes* for David. I did it in 1/25th the
>>> time he claims. Hmmm.
>>>
>>
>> Yeah. That sounded weird. Only things I can figure is that he bought a
>> dull grater and/or is pressing the cheese far too hard or maybe was holding
>> the grater backwards.
>
> Yeah, figgures you'd think that... only person on the planet who would
> use a grater in the opposite direction is Juli Bove. LOL
>


What's a little funnier is that I was the one who had suggested that if
it took him that long to grate the cheese he might be doing it
backwards. Julie claims not to read my posts but she seems to have seen
that anyway.

Brooklyn1 wrote:
> "DavidW" wrote:
>>>> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
http://www.amazon.com/Zyliss-Classic...FDZJG2/ref=sr_
>> 1_2?s=kitchen&ie=UTF8&qid=1409166884&sr=1-2&keywords=cheese+grater
>>>> I've just ordered one of those.
>
> You'll have it within a week, report back.
> http://www.zyliss.com/en-us/

What a great device. It produced a nice grate - not too fine and not too
coarse - and it took hardly any time. I would say without exaggeration that it
took 1/10 to 1/5 of the amount of work that the plane grater required for the
same amount of grated cheese. My only worry is whether the plastic thread on
the handle will hold up to the force, but after the first wedge of about 180g
of Zanetti it is okay.

On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 19:56:46 +1000, "DavidW" >
wrote:

>Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> "DavidW" wrote:
>>>>> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>
>http://www.amazon.com/Zyliss-Classic...FDZJG2/ref=sr_
>>> 1_2?s=kitchen&ie=UTF8&qid=1409166884&sr=1-2&keywords=cheese+grater
>>>>> I've just ordered one of those.
>>
>> You'll have it within a week, report back.
>> http://www.zyliss.com/en-us/
>
>What a great device. It produced a nice grate - not too fine and not too
>coarse - and it took hardly any time. I would say without exaggeration that it
>took 1/10 to 1/5 of the amount of work that the plane grater required for the
>same amount of grated cheese. My only worry is whether the plastic thread on
>the handle will hold up to the force, but after the first wedge of about 180g
>of Zanetti it is okay.
>

Should last for typical home use (hand wash only). There are similar
commercial models made of all metal, but pricier.

Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-09-11 1:48 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> On Wed, 10 Sep 2014 21:24:48 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 21:18:23 +1000, DavidW wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Okay, so I got myself a plane grater, something roughly like this:
>>>>> http://p.globalsources.com/IMAGES/PD...ese-grater.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> I grated some Zanetti Reggiano with it. It works okay. It
>>>>> produces short, tiny
>>>>> filaments rather than grains. Not ideal, but better than talcum
>>>>> powder from the
>>>>> deli. It takes 4-5 minutes' grating per serve (about 20g), which
>>>>> is too long
>>>>> really.
>>>>
>>>> I just timed how long it took me to Microplane a 1" cube of
>>>> Parmesan cheese. That's about 1 ounce from what I read on the
>>>> nutrition labels. That's 27 grams. Anybody want to take a guess
>>>> how long it took?
>>>>
>>>> Drum Roll............
>>>>
>>>> 12 seconds.
>>>>
>>>> And that wasn't even rushing it too hard. This was using the
>>>> classic slim, unidirection 8" blade grater. With a 2 second
>>>> deduction since that last 2-3 grams of a 1" block gets hard to
>>>> hold without shredding your fingers.
>>>>
>>>> 12 seconds for me, 4-5 *minutes* for David. I did it in 1/25th the
>>>> time he claims. Hmmm.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah. That sounded weird. Only things I can figure is that he
>>> bought a dull grater and/or is pressing the cheese far too hard or
>>> maybe was holding the grater backwards.
>>
>> Yeah, figgures you'd think that... only person on the planet who
>> would use a grater in the opposite direction is Juli Bove. LOL

Well, you can't hold it backwards and grate any cheese. The inside surface where
the grated cheese comes out is inaccessible because of the curve of the grater.
And you can't really grate in the wrong direction, since you would have to grate
upwards towards the handle, which would be unnatural and much harder to do than
grating downwards.

The most likely reason for the time difference is that the plane grater I got is
too fine for my purpose. It alternates 8 and 7 teeth per row, which I think is
finer than the image I linked to. It might also just be a poor-quality grater in
its manufacture. A difference in the cheese texture is also a possibility. By
far the least likely reason is my grating technique. That just wouldn't account
for such a big time difference. Grating cheese isn't brain surgery. You soon
discover the amount of pressure that works best.

> What's a little funnier is that I was the one who had suggested that
> if it took him that long to grate the cheese he might be doing it
> backwards. Julie claims not to read my posts but she seems to have
> seen that anyway.

Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 19:56:46 +1000, "DavidW" >
> wrote:
>
>> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> "DavidW" wrote:
>>>>>> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Zyliss-Classic...FDZJG2/ref=sr_
>>>> 1_2?s=kitchen&ie=UTF8&qid=1409166884&sr=1-2&keywords=cheese+grater
>>>>>> I've just ordered one of those.
>>>
>>> You'll have it within a week, report back.
>>> http://www.zyliss.com/en-us/
>>
>> What a great device. It produced a nice grate - not too fine and not
>> too coarse - and it took hardly any time. I would say without
>> exaggeration that it took 1/10 to 1/5 of the amount of work that the
>> plane grater required for the same amount of grated cheese. My only
>> worry is whether the plastic thread on the handle will hold up to
>> the force, but after the first wedge of about 180g of Zanetti it is
>> okay.
>>
>
> Should last for typical home use (hand wash only). There are similar
> commercial models made of all metal, but pricier.

I am still using this grater. Sometimes I think it might break because I use a
lot of force at times (especially when some rind gets jammed between the grating
wheel and the housing), but it is still in one piece.

On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 5:01:03 PM UTC-5, DavidW wrote:
>
> I am still using this grater. Sometimes I think it might break because I use a
> lot of force at times (especially when some rind gets jammed between the grating
> wheel and the housing), but it is still in one piece.
>
>
Thanks for that update to a TWO YEAR OLD thread. We just knew
your grater was in a landfill well over a year ago.

On 2016-10-20, DavidW > wrote:

> I am still using this grater. Sometimes I think it might break because I use a
> lot of force at times (especially when some rind gets jammed between the grating
> wheel and the housing), but it is still in one piece.

Likewise.

Mine is over 30 yrs old and still works perfectly. Jes grated some
imported Parmesan, yesterday. Mine came with a grated cheese
container that fits right over the outlet of the grater so one is
basically grating into the holding container, which also has a
separate dispenser lid. It can hold the grated cheese fer several
days.

nb

On 21 Oct 2016 16:16:04 GMT, notbob > wrote:

> On 2016-10-20, DavidW > wrote:
>
> > I am still using this grater. Sometimes I think it might break because I use a
> > lot of force at times (especially when some rind gets jammed between the grating
> > wheel and the housing), but it is still in one piece.
>
> Likewise.
>
> Mine is over 30 yrs old and still works perfectly. Jes grated some
> imported Parmesan, yesterday. Mine came with a grated cheese
> container that fits right over the outlet of the grater so one is
> basically grating into the holding container, which also has a
> separate dispenser lid. It can hold the grated cheese fer several
> days.
>
I bought one a few years ago when all the restaurants grated cheese at
the table (an affectation as bad as waiter powered pepper grinders),
but only used it a couple of times because it wasn't worth the effort.


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