On 7/11/2014 6:05 PM, sf wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 16:43:40 -1000, dsi1
> > wrote:
>
>> On 7/11/2014 4:13 PM, Nellie wrote:
>>
>> It's a great town - it's gratifying to hear that the residents haven't
>> quite gotten a handle on the fog too.
>
> August used to be the month I wanted to move away... every single
> year. I kept track of the number of days I didn't see the sun at all
> during the summer and one August had 27 total fog days in a row. We
> could usually count on the overcast clearing enough for the sun to
> peek through between 3 & 4 and it disappears again between 6 & 7, but
> not that month - climate change has changed all of that. Good for me,
> bad for the environment.
>>
>
>

How strange it is to see what seemed to be unchangeable, change. The
skies over Hawaii don't seem to be as clear and blue as when I was a kid
because of the eruption of the Kilauea volcano - an eruption has has
lasted over 30 years. We've learned to live with the hazy skies and the
vog in the air that, on some days, will resemble the mainland's smog.
I've wondered about the effect on health breathing the vog has but
that's one study that nobody seems to want to do.

In article >,
says...
>
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 13:28:16 -0400, S Viemeister
> > wrote:
>
> >On 7/11/2014 9:38 AM, wrote:
> >
> >> You get much better deals in the UK than we do in NA, part of the
> >> reason I have data closed on mine, damned if I will pay for it.
> >>
> >True. I have both UK and US plans, and the UK one is a _much_ better deal.
>
> The problem this side of the pond is that consumers will not rise up
> and demand, if necessary not purchasing, so the corps know they can
> manipulate customers.

Yet Americans usually see themselves as confident go-getters with the best
services in the world ( and Brits as reserved and subservient, without). It's a
mystery :-}

Janet UK

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/11/2014 6:05 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 16:43:40 -1000, dsi1
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/11/2014 4:13 PM, Nellie wrote:
>>>
>>> It's a great town - it's gratifying to hear that the residents haven't
>>> quite gotten a handle on the fog too.
>>
>> August used to be the month I wanted to move away... every single
>> year. I kept track of the number of days I didn't see the sun at all
>> during the summer and one August had 27 total fog days in a row. We
>> could usually count on the overcast clearing enough for the sun to
>> peek through between 3 & 4 and it disappears again between 6 & 7, but
>> not that month - climate change has changed all of that. Good for me,
>> bad for the environment.
>>>
>>
>>
>
> How strange it is to see what seemed to be unchangeable, change. The skies
> over Hawaii don't seem to be as clear and blue as when I was a kid because
> of the eruption of the Kilauea volcano - an eruption has has lasted over
> 30 years. We've learned to live with the hazy skies and the vog in the air
> that, on some days, will resemble the mainland's smog. I've wondered about
> the effect on health breathing the vog has but that's one study that
> nobody seems to want to do.

I was living here when Mt. Saint Helens erupted. Not quite the same thing
but there was a heck of a lot of ash blowing around for a very long time.
We had to change the air filters in our vehicles every few weeks for a
while. And a lot of the plants that we sold in the garden shop came covered
in ash.

On 7/11/2014 9:32 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
> ...
> On Friday, July 11, 2014 9:04:42 AM UTC-10, sf wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 11:41:38 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > You'll never know until you try is what I say. I'll probably work
>> better > where you're at than where I'm at. Ironically, if there's a
>> lot of > swamps in your area, my guess is that a swamp cooler won't
>> work that > great. :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> That part of the USA is in what's called a Temperate Rain Forest, but
>>
>> I don't know how much raining it has been doing lately or even how
>>
>> much fog they have. Our fog certainly isn't what it used to be.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempera...rain_forest s
>>
>>
>>
>
> Thanks for the info. I'm not too hip about the RFC cast of players and
> where they live. I used to live in the Pacific Northwest - it never got
> warm enough to suit me. I used to live in the SF Bay area too. That was
> a little better. Driving in that fog was scary as shit. How do you guys
> do that?
>
> OTOH, it's getting a little too hot over here and the AC in my car
> sprung a leak. Ha ha, that's the breaks.
>
> ----
>
> sf is wrong about our weather.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bothell,_Washington
>
> Yes, we do have that giant chicken! But here's the specifics on the
> weather:
>
> Bothell has a temperate oceanic climate, with cool summers and cool (but
> not cold) winters. Winter sees much more rainfall than summer and
> winters in Bothell (much like the rest of the PNW) are very cloudy and
> overcast. Summers are drier and cool to warm (no average monthly
> temperatures above 71.6 °F)
>
> ***'
> See? Cool summers. This one is going to be one for the record books.
> They said in 2009 (I think) we had a string of 10 hot days. Highly
> unusual for us. And the year that we moved here, (2003?), we did have
> hot weather at the tail end of August. Our furniture hadn't arrived yet
> so we all slept on the floor under the ceiling fans as our fans hadn't
> arrived yet either.

The giant chicken is great. Every town ought to have a giant landmark.
My hometown has a large rock. As it goes, a big rock will never put a
smile on your face like a big chicken will.

The first night we stayed in Lynnwood, it was cold. It was so cold the
carpeting seemed to be frozen. My wife thought it was pretty funny. She
said the climate was temperate and for real cold, you go to where she
used to live - Montana. She was right but that really didn't really help
matters.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/11/2014 9:32 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> On Friday, July 11, 2014 9:04:42 AM UTC-10, sf wrote:
>>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 11:41:38 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > You'll never know until you try is what I say. I'll probably work
>>> better > where you're at than where I'm at. Ironically, if there's a
>>> lot of > swamps in your area, my guess is that a swamp cooler won't
>>> work that > great. :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That part of the USA is in what's called a Temperate Rain Forest, but
>>>
>>> I don't know how much raining it has been doing lately or even how
>>>
>>> much fog they have. Our fog certainly isn't what it used to be.
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempera...rain_forest s
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Thanks for the info. I'm not too hip about the RFC cast of players and
>> where they live. I used to live in the Pacific Northwest - it never got
>> warm enough to suit me. I used to live in the SF Bay area too. That was
>> a little better. Driving in that fog was scary as shit. How do you guys
>> do that?
>>
>> OTOH, it's getting a little too hot over here and the AC in my car
>> sprung a leak. Ha ha, that's the breaks.
>>
>> ----
>>
>> sf is wrong about our weather.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bothell,_Washington
>>
>> Yes, we do have that giant chicken! But here's the specifics on the
>> weather:
>>
>> Bothell has a temperate oceanic climate, with cool summers and cool (but
>> not cold) winters. Winter sees much more rainfall than summer and
>> winters in Bothell (much like the rest of the PNW) are very cloudy and
>> overcast. Summers are drier and cool to warm (no average monthly
>> temperatures above 71.6 °F)
>>
>> ***'
>> See? Cool summers. This one is going to be one for the record books.
>> They said in 2009 (I think) we had a string of 10 hot days. Highly
>> unusual for us. And the year that we moved here, (2003?), we did have
>> hot weather at the tail end of August. Our furniture hadn't arrived yet
>> so we all slept on the floor under the ceiling fans as our fans hadn't
>> arrived yet either.
>
> The giant chicken is great. Every town ought to have a giant landmark. My
> hometown has a large rock. As it goes, a big rock will never put a smile
> on your face like a big chicken will.
>
> The first night we stayed in Lynnwood, it was cold. It was so cold the
> carpeting seemed to be frozen. My wife thought it was pretty funny. She
> said the climate was temperate and for real cold, you go to where she used
> to live - Montana. She was right but that really didn't really help
> matters.

It can get cold here but we rarely have the really deep freeze like some
places do. But most of the time, I don't even wear a coat or jacket. I do
own quite a few. I buy them for their looks and I will carry them with me.
I just will rarely put one on.

We were out in Lynnwood today. That's where most of the shopping is around
here.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 14:29:16 +0100, "Ophelia"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>> > You're confusing me now. Do you use Whatsapp on a tablet or a phone?
>>>
>>> Phone. I don't posses a tablet. I didn't know you were referring to
>>> that.
>>>
>>>
>>> > I'm still trying to figure out how to use my tablet as a phone. I
>>> > have a google telephone number that I should be able to use with it in
>>> > theory, but it's not as easy to do as it sounds. Same with Whatsapp.
>>> > If whatsapp is on your phone, why don't you use the text messaging
>>> > that comes with your phone plan? My plan includes 3000 free texts per
>>> > month, which is more than enough texting for me.
>>>
>>> err I don't quite know how to tell you this ... but we don't all have
>>> the
>>> same phone plans!
>>
>> It's pretty difficult to find a plan without texting here. Even
>> hubby's $75 a year plan comes with 1500 texts.
>>
>> I finally figured out how you drive from wifi to wifi.
>> http://arstechnica.com/information-t...ublic-hotspot/
>> Most people in my city buy their own modems and routers instead of
>> rent, so it's not easy to do here. We drove from one side of town to
>> the other yesterday and I kept my phone on so I could see how many hot
>> spots I hit. There were quite a few, but it wasn't seamless by any
>> means. The signal is good for less than a block then it's gone. I
>> have no idea how that could possibly work with country driving.
>
> Just watch out for bogus hot spots.

We have free wifi in supermarkets, shopping malls, roadside service
stations, city squares etc here. I wouldn't trust any of them and if we
need our computers when we are out/away we use our plug in broadband
dongles.

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 12:48:21 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

> We have free wifi in supermarkets, shopping malls, roadside service
> stations, city squares etc here. I wouldn't trust any of them and if we
> need our computers when we are out/away we use our plug in broadband
> dongles.

Those things are too expensive over here. I use public wifi.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 10:16:02 +0100, janet > wrote:

> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 13:28:16 -0400, S Viemeister
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >On 7/11/2014 9:38 AM, wrote:
> > >
> > >> You get much better deals in the UK than we do in NA, part of the
> > >> reason I have data closed on mine, damned if I will pay for it.
> > >>
> > >True. I have both UK and US plans, and the UK one is a _much_ better deal.
> >
> > The problem this side of the pond is that consumers will not rise up
> > and demand, if necessary not purchasing, so the corps know they can
> > manipulate customers.
>
> Yet Americans usually see themselves as confident go-getters with the best
> services in the world ( and Brits as reserved and subservient, without). It's a
> mystery :-}
>
I think you're buying a myth.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 12:48:21 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>> We have free wifi in supermarkets, shopping malls, roadside service
>> stations, city squares etc here. I wouldn't trust any of them and if we
>> need our computers when we are out/away we use our plug in broadband
>> dongles.
>
> Those things are too expensive over here. I use public wifi.

Way expensive! I have only used wifi in my house or in the hospital. I
don't need it for my phone. Only my Ipad.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 12:48:21 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>> We have free wifi in supermarkets, shopping malls, roadside service
>> stations, city squares etc here. I wouldn't trust any of them and if we
>> need our computers when we are out/away we use our plug in broadband
>> dongles.
>
> Those things are too expensive over here. I use public wifi.

They aren't too bad. £15.99 each for a month. We need them for when D. is
working away and we are living in the caravan. I wouldn't rely on public
wifi.

--
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> wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 12:48:21 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 14:29:16 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> > You're confusing me now. Do you use Whatsapp on a tablet or a
>>>>> > phone?
>>>>>
>>>>> Phone. I don't posses a tablet. I didn't know you were referring to
>>>>> that.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > I'm still trying to figure out how to use my tablet as a phone. I
>>>>> > have a google telephone number that I should be able to use with it
>>>>> > in
>>>>> > theory, but it's not as easy to do as it sounds. Same with
>>>>> > Whatsapp.
>>>>> > If whatsapp is on your phone, why don't you use the text messaging
>>>>> > that comes with your phone plan? My plan includes 3000 free texts
>>>>> > per
>>>>> > month, which is more than enough texting for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> err I don't quite know how to tell you this ... but we don't all have
>>>>> the
>>>>> same phone plans!
>>>>
>>>> It's pretty difficult to find a plan without texting here. Even
>>>> hubby's $75 a year plan comes with 1500 texts.
>>>>
>>>> I finally figured out how you drive from wifi to wifi.
>>>> http://arstechnica.com/information-t...ublic-hotspot/
>>>> Most people in my city buy their own modems and routers instead of
>>>> rent, so it's not easy to do here. We drove from one side of town to
>>>> the other yesterday and I kept my phone on so I could see how many hot
>>>> spots I hit. There were quite a few, but it wasn't seamless by any
>>>> means. The signal is good for less than a block then it's gone. I
>>>> have no idea how that could possibly work with country driving.
>>>
>>> Just watch out for bogus hot spots.
>>
>>We have free wifi in supermarkets, shopping malls, roadside service
>>stations, city squares etc here. I wouldn't trust any of them and if we
>>need our computers when we are out/away we use our plug in broadband
>>dongles.
>
> I have a 3Connect dongle I use when in the UK, it's great.

Yes We have those too Do you use 'pay as you go'? We have ours on
contract.

--
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On 7/12/2014 8:05 AM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 10:16:02 +0100, janet > wrote:

>> Yet Americans usually see themselves as confident go-getters with the best
>> services in the world ( and Brits as reserved and subservient, without). It's a
>> mystery :-}
>>
> I think you're buying a myth.

She gets all atwitter when she trots out her super knowledge
of Americans. Highlight of her day.

nancy

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 22:59:46 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:

> How strange it is to see what seemed to be unchangeable, change. The
> skies over Hawaii don't seem to be as clear and blue as when I was a kid
> because of the eruption of the Kilauea volcano - an eruption has has
> lasted over 30 years. We've learned to live with the hazy skies and the
> vog in the air that, on some days, will resemble the mainland's smog.
> I've wondered about the effect on health breathing the vog has but
> that's one study that nobody seems to want to do.

Everything sparkles here the day after a heavy rain if there's no
overcast and a slight breeze that originates over the ocean. That
onshore breeze keeps our air clean, but the East Bay & Valley hate us
because they get our smog.

Sadly, it seems like the skys aren't clear and blue anywhere anymore.
I go places where I expect to see clear skys and they are not. China
pretends it's going green, but it's belching out coal smoke like
crazy. We have all the coal states doing practically the same thing
(with better scrubbers) and wild fires everywhere in the summertime.
We were at some beautiful vista up North a couple of years ago... I
forget exactly where - Idaho, South Dakota and there was a haze in the
air. We had multi-state brush fires in the West that probably caused
it. but the ranger said past air quality tests said the haze they get
can be pollution from as far away as Los Angeles. I believe it,
because haze from the brush fires in Washington made it all the way
down to Arizona that year.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 13:15:13 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 12:48:21 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> We have free wifi in supermarkets, shopping malls, roadside service
> >> stations, city squares etc here. I wouldn't trust any of them and if we
> >> need our computers when we are out/away we use our plug in broadband
> >> dongles.
> >
> > Those things are too expensive over here. I use public wifi.
>
> They aren't too bad. £15.99 each for a month. We need them for when D. is
> working away and we are living in the caravan.

How much data do you get for only £15.99 a month?

> I wouldn't rely on public wifi.

How do you access Out of Milk when you're shopping?

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 08:26:55 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

> On 7/12/2014 8:05 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 10:16:02 +0100, janet > wrote:
>
> >> Yet Americans usually see themselves as confident go-getters with the best
> >> services in the world ( and Brits as reserved and subservient, without). It's a
> >> mystery :-}
> >>
> > I think you're buying a myth.
>
> She gets all atwitter when she trots out her super knowledge
> of Americans. Highlight of her day.
>

Especially when she thinks she can look down on us.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

On 7/12/2014 9:19 AM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 08:26:55 -0400, Nancy Young
> > wrote:
>
>> On 7/12/2014 8:05 AM, sf wrote:
>>> On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 10:16:02 +0100, janet > wrote:
>>
>>>> Yet Americans usually see themselves as confident go-getters with the best
>>>> services in the world ( and Brits as reserved and subservient, without). It's a
>>>> mystery :-}
>>>>
>>> I think you're buying a myth.
>>
>> She gets all atwitter when she trots out her super knowledge
>> of Americans. Highlight of her day.
>>
>
> Especially when she thinks she can look down on us.

Most of the time it's having that superior feeling over
the smallest laughable thing. Oh, here they open a new
lane if there are too many people in line.

No, really? Here they line up the extra employees to
mock the customers stuck in line. Of course they open
another lane If there is one and If there is another
cashier in the store.

Well, if it makes her feel better.

nancy

On 7/12/2014 6:45 AM, wrote:

> I like that in the UK I can see the string beans came from Kenya or
> bananas from Honduras.

http://www.ams.usda.gov/AMSv1.0/COOL

nancy

On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 09:45:14 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

> On 7/12/2014 6:45 AM, wrote:
>
> > I like that in the UK I can see the string beans came from Kenya or
> > bananas from Honduras.
>
> http://www.ams.usda.gov/AMSv1.0/COOL
>

The grass fed beef we get at Safeway comes from Australia. It's not
cheap, but it's less than American grass fed. Plus it has none of the
weird off taste their lamb has (a flavor I'm tempted to call muttony,
except I've never eaten mutton so I don't know for sure).


--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 05:31:00 -0700, sf > wrote:

snip
>
>Sadly, it seems like the skys aren't clear and blue anywhere anymore.
>I go places where I expect to see clear skys and they are not. China
>pretends it's going green, but it's belching out coal smoke like
>crazy. We have all the coal states doing practically the same thing
>(with better scrubbers) and wild fires everywhere in the summertime.
>We were at some beautiful vista up North a couple of years ago... I
>forget exactly where - Idaho, South Dakota and there was a haze in the
>air. We had multi-state brush fires in the West that probably caused
>it. but the ranger said past air quality tests said the haze they get
>can be pollution from as far away as Los Angeles. I believe it,
>because haze from the brush fires in Washington made it all the way
>down to Arizona that year.

Sometimes when the wildfires are many and bad in CA, AZ etc., it
smells and looks just like the wildfire is just outside our city. It
isn't just what you would call haze, it's more like actual smoke in
density.
Janet US

On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 08:03:22 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:

> On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 05:31:00 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
> snip
> >
> >Sadly, it seems like the skys aren't clear and blue anywhere anymore.
> >I go places where I expect to see clear skys and they are not. China
> >pretends it's going green, but it's belching out coal smoke like
> >crazy. We have all the coal states doing practically the same thing
> >(with better scrubbers) and wild fires everywhere in the summertime.
> >We were at some beautiful vista up North a couple of years ago... I
> >forget exactly where - Idaho, South Dakota and there was a haze in the
> >air. We had multi-state brush fires in the West that probably caused
> >it. but the ranger said past air quality tests said the haze they get
> >can be pollution from as far away as Los Angeles. I believe it,
> >because haze from the brush fires in Washington made it all the way
> >down to Arizona that year.
>
> Sometimes when the wildfires are many and bad in CA, AZ etc., it
> smells and looks just like the wildfire is just outside our city. It
> isn't just what you would call haze, it's more like actual smoke in
> density.

I can wrap my mind around air currents in a localized area, but I'm
always amazed by the larger ones. I "get" global Westerlys and Trade
Winds, but regionalized N-S and S-N wind currents over such a massive
land area had never occurred to me before. It's all circular.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

On 7/12/2014 10:47 AM, wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 06:51:40 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 09:45:14 -0400, Nancy Young
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/12/2014 6:45 AM, wrote:
>>>
>>>> I like that in the UK I can see the string beans came from Kenya or
>>>> bananas from Honduras.
>>>
>>> http://www.ams.usda.gov/AMSv1.0/COOL
>>>
>>
>> The grass fed beef we get at Safeway comes from Australia. It's not
>> cheap, but it's less than American grass fed. Plus it has none of the
>> weird off taste their lamb has (a flavor I'm tempted to call muttony,
>> except I've never eaten mutton so I don't know for sure).
>
> Do Safeway make sure you know it comes from Australia ? Is there a
> sign pointing out this is Australian beef, and another this is US
> beef? Sometimes done here if they want to emphasise our own home
> grown lamb or beef, but not really for our benefit.

They had better, that's the federal I posted.

nancy

On 7/12/2014 10:44 AM, wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 09:45:14 -0400, Nancy Young
> > wrote:
>
>> On 7/12/2014 6:45 AM, wrote:
>>
>>> I like that in the UK I can see the string beans came from Kenya or
>>> bananas from Honduras.
>>
>> http://www.ams.usda.gov/AMSv1.0/COOL

> You would find the same thing here except when you are actually
> shopping they have found ways to get around really exact labelling.
> Shrimp would be a good example. To all intents and purposes it
> appears to have been caught locally and it says Canada on the label.
> However, that refers to the plastic bag and the fact it came here in
> containers and was packaged in that plastic bag.

You find that here but not with seafood/meat/vegetables,
assuming the law is being followed.

Here you might think you're buying something Made in America
but really, the components were made overseas.

> That isn't what I
> think of when I see Canada. Especially since in my area they are
> catching shrimp from lovely northern waters, clear and clean as
> crystal. Those mostly go to Europe, I know that for a fact because
> one of my daughters is instrumental in shipping them.

Have her ship some to you! Heh. It's not coming to mind right
now, but I have seen people complain that they don't get the
best 'whatever' because that's shipped elsewhere.

nancy

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 13:15:13 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 12:48:21 +0100, "Ophelia"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> We have free wifi in supermarkets, shopping malls, roadside service
>> >> stations, city squares etc here. I wouldn't trust any of them and if
>> >> we
>> >> need our computers when we are out/away we use our plug in broadband
>> >> dongles.
>> >
>> > Those things are too expensive over here. I use public wifi.
>>
>> They aren't too bad. £15.99 each for a month. We need them for when D.
>> is
>> working away and we are living in the caravan.
>
> How much data do you get for only £15.99 a month?

Unlimited and I made a mistake. It is £15.98 ;-)
>
>> I wouldn't rely on public wifi.
>
> How do you access Out of Milk when you're shopping?

I don't, I just use my lists.


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On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 10:56:59 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

> On 7/12/2014 10:47 AM, wrote:
> > On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 06:51:40 -0700, sf > wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 09:45:14 -0400, Nancy Young
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 7/12/2014 6:45 AM, wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I like that in the UK I can see the string beans came from Kenya or
> >>>> bananas from Honduras.
> >>>
> >>> http://www.ams.usda.gov/AMSv1.0/COOL
> >>>
> >>
> >> The grass fed beef we get at Safeway comes from Australia. It's not
> >> cheap, but it's less than American grass fed. Plus it has none of the
> >> weird off taste their lamb has (a flavor I'm tempted to call muttony,
> >> except I've never eaten mutton so I don't know for sure).
> >
> > Do Safeway make sure you know it comes from Australia ? Is there a
> > sign pointing out this is Australian beef, and another this is US
> > beef? Sometimes done here if they want to emphasise our own home
> > grown lamb or beef, but not really for our benefit.
>
> They had better, that's the federal I posted.
>

She's so close to the USA, yet in on another planet.

AFAIK, US meat is not labeled as such unless it's from a particular
ranch or producer. That's how I figured out (genius that I am) the
lamb at Lucky is American. There is no country of origin on the
label; so the sleuth that resides deep inside me *asked* the butcher
if it was American lamb and he confirmed it was.

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wrote:
>
> So are you saying in all US supermarkets, everything is very clearly
> and visibly marked as to its origins ?

In my grocery stores (Virginia), I've never seen a country of origin
notice on any meat labels.

G.

On 7/12/2014 10:59 AM, wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 10:56:59 -0400, Nancy Young
> > wrote:

>>> Do Safeway make sure you know it comes from Australia ? Is there a
>>> sign pointing out this is Australian beef, and another this is US
>>> beef? Sometimes done here if they want to emphasise our own home
>>> grown lamb or beef, but not really for our benefit.
>>
>> They had better, that's the federal I posted.

> That isn't an answer - we have, on the face of it - the same
> regulations but they all get around it.

If the law says the shrimp needs to be labeled, but
they are instead labeling where it was packed, that's
wrong. Obviously.

> I still say, consumers need
> to jump up and down, but they don't over here and personally I have
> become too old for activism.
>
> So are you saying in all US supermarkets, everything is very clearly
> and visibly marked as to its origins ?

Where I live, it is.

nancy

On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 16:05:54 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 13:15:13 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> "sf" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 12:48:21 +0100, "Ophelia"
> >> > > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> We have free wifi in supermarkets, shopping malls, roadside service
> >> >> stations, city squares etc here. I wouldn't trust any of them and if
> >> >> we
> >> >> need our computers when we are out/away we use our plug in broadband
> >> >> dongles.
> >> >
> >> > Those things are too expensive over here. I use public wifi.
> >>
> >> They aren't too bad. £15.99 each for a month. We need them for when D.
> >> is
> >> working away and we are living in the caravan.
> >
> > How much data do you get for only £15.99 a month?
>
> Unlimited and I made a mistake. It is £15.98 ;-)
> >
> >> I wouldn't rely on public wifi.
> >
> > How do you access Out of Milk when you're shopping?
>
> I don't, I just use my lists.

You print them out before you leave the house?

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> wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 13:17:49 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>>We have free wifi in supermarkets, shopping malls, roadside service
>>>>stations, city squares etc here. I wouldn't trust any of them and if we
>>>>need our computers when we are out/away we use our plug in broadband
>>>>dongles.
>>>
>>> I have a 3Connect dongle I use when in the UK, it's great.
>>
>>Yes We have those too Do you use 'pay as you go'? We have ours on
>>contract.
>
> Yes, originally I think the dongle was £20 then the next time I was
> over it was just the £10 for one month. I can't remember what I paid
> last time, whatever it is, it is worth it to me. Most people near my
> uncle and aunts now have secured their routers, so I can't use someone
> elses signal, it's a nuisance to go to the library, nearest hot spot,
> so this suits me fine.
>
> It is post code sensitive so I can't use it when I visit my friend in
> Glos but she is wired and I can put her code in and use hers.

I can use mine anywhere with no post code restriction but I suppose that is
with the contract.



My aunt
> loves it because I Skype back to kids, grandchildren etc and she can
> see it all. Back in the day my mother would have killed to have had
> Skype, they couldn't even get a telephone in Menorca in those days as
> they had a farm, rather than a chaleta on some holiday resort place.
> If it was urgent, I could phone a bar in town and they would send a
> message to my father to phone me He returned the favour by
> loading them up with free veggies and tipping very well

Worked well)


>

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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 16:05:54 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 13:15:13 +0100, "Ophelia"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "sf" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 12:48:21 +0100, "Ophelia"
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> We have free wifi in supermarkets, shopping malls, roadside service
>> >> >> stations, city squares etc here. I wouldn't trust any of them and
>> >> >> if
>> >> >> we
>> >> >> need our computers when we are out/away we use our plug in
>> >> >> broadband
>> >> >> dongles.
>> >> >
>> >> > Those things are too expensive over here. I use public wifi.
>> >>
>> >> They aren't too bad. £15.99 each for a month. We need them for when
>> >> D.
>> >> is
>> >> working away and we are living in the caravan.
>> >
>> > How much data do you get for only £15.99 a month?
>>
>> Unlimited and I made a mistake. It is £15.98 ;-)
>> >
>> >> I wouldn't rely on public wifi.
>> >
>> > How do you access Out of Milk when you're shopping?
>>
>> I don't, I just use my lists.
>
> You print them out before you leave the house?

lol nooooooooooo I have the lists on my phone!!!


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On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 11:11:33 -0400, Gary > wrote:

> wrote:
> >
> > So are you saying in all US supermarkets, everything is very clearly
> > and visibly marked as to its origins ?
>
> In my grocery stores (Virginia), I've never seen a country of origin
> notice on any meat labels.
>

In that case, they originated in the USA. Ask sometime. If it isn't
US meat, they're out of compliance.

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On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 16:20:29 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 16:05:54 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> "sf" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 13:15:13 +0100, "Ophelia"
> >> > > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "sf" > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >> > On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 12:48:21 +0100, "Ophelia"
> >> >> > > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> We have free wifi in supermarkets, shopping malls, roadside service
> >> >> >> stations, city squares etc here. I wouldn't trust any of them and
> >> >> >> if
> >> >> >> we
> >> >> >> need our computers when we are out/away we use our plug in
> >> >> >> broadband
> >> >> >> dongles.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Those things are too expensive over here. I use public wifi.
> >> >>
> >> >> They aren't too bad. £15.99 each for a month. We need them for when
> >> >> D.
> >> >> is
> >> >> working away and we are living in the caravan.
> >> >
> >> > How much data do you get for only £15.99 a month?
> >>
> >> Unlimited and I made a mistake. It is £15.98 ;-)
> >> >
> >> >> I wouldn't rely on public wifi.
> >> >
> >> > How do you access Out of Milk when you're shopping?
> >>
> >> I don't, I just use my lists.
> >
> > You print them out before you leave the house?
>
> lol nooooooooooo I have the lists on my phone!!!

Your phone accesses the internet to talk to the program. It's all in
the cloud.

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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 16:20:29 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 16:05:54 +0100, "Ophelia"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "sf" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 13:15:13 +0100, "Ophelia"
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "sf" > wrote in message
>> >> >> ...
>> >> >> > On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 12:48:21 +0100, "Ophelia"
>> >> >> > > wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> We have free wifi in supermarkets, shopping malls, roadside
>> >> >> >> service
>> >> >> >> stations, city squares etc here. I wouldn't trust any of them
>> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> if
>> >> >> >> we
>> >> >> >> need our computers when we are out/away we use our plug in
>> >> >> >> broadband
>> >> >> >> dongles.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Those things are too expensive over here. I use public wifi.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> They aren't too bad. £15.99 each for a month. We need them for
>> >> >> when
>> >> >> D.
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> working away and we are living in the caravan.
>> >> >
>> >> > How much data do you get for only £15.99 a month?
>> >>
>> >> Unlimited and I made a mistake. It is £15.98 ;-)
>> >> >
>> >> >> I wouldn't rely on public wifi.
>> >> >
>> >> > How do you access Out of Milk when you're shopping?
>> >>
>> >> I don't, I just use my lists.
>> >
>> > You print them out before you leave the house?
>>
>> lol nooooooooooo I have the lists on my phone!!!
>
> Your phone accesses the internet to talk to the program. It's all in
> the cloud.

Your phone might .... mine doesn't. I make my lists ON my phone and read
them FROM it.


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sf wrote:
>
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 16:20:29 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > "sf" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 16:05:54 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> "sf" > wrote in message
> > >> ...
> > >> > On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 13:15:13 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > >> > > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> "sf" > wrote in message
> > >> >> ...
> > >> >> > On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 12:48:21 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > >> >> > > wrote:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >> We have free wifi in supermarkets, shopping malls, roadside service
> > >> >> >> stations, city squares etc here. I wouldn't trust any of them and
> > >> >> >> if
> > >> >> >> we
> > >> >> >> need our computers when we are out/away we use our plug in
> > >> >> >> broadband
> > >> >> >> dongles.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Those things are too expensive over here. I use public wifi.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> They aren't too bad. £15.99 each for a month. We need them for when
> > >> >> D.
> > >> >> is
> > >> >> working away and we are living in the caravan.
> > >> >
> > >> > How much data do you get for only £15.99 a month?
> > >>
> > >> Unlimited and I made a mistake. It is £15.98 ;-)
> > >> >
> > >> >> I wouldn't rely on public wifi.
> > >> >
> > >> > How do you access Out of Milk when you're shopping?
> > >>
> > >> I don't, I just use my lists.
> > >
> > > You print them out before you leave the house?
> >
> > lol nooooooooooo I have the lists on my phone!!!
>
> Your phone accesses the internet to talk to the program. It's all in
> the cloud.

"all in the cloud." heheh Oh all these new phone apps. I have a
talk only flip phone and I write my grocery lists on a pad of paper.

G.

On 7/12/2014 11:11 AM, sf wrote:

> AFAIK, US meat is not labeled as such unless it's from a particular
> ranch or producer. That's how I figured out (genius that I am) the
> lamb at Lucky is American. There is no country of origin on the
> label; so the sleuth that resides deep inside me *asked* the butcher
> if it was American lamb and he confirmed it was.

Right, it would be labeled if it was from a different country.

It's interesting at the produce market to see all the different
types of vegetables and fruits, and to see where they came
from. I do try to buy produce in season, but I'm not going
without lemons year round, that's for sure. No locally grown
citrus where I live.

nancy

On 7/12/2014 11:23 AM, wrote:

> Still I wish people would be more militant, it is not good to leave it
> to big corps, the bottom line is the only thing that interests them

Ain't that the truth.

nancy

sf wrote:
>
> On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 11:43:48 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
> > Cheryl wrote:
> > >
> > > I'll have to try to find the times when
> > > my usual store isn't busy.
> >
> > Go any day of the week very early. Never a crowd problem. My normal
> > weekly time is 6am every Saturday.
> >
> You couldn't pry me out of bed at that time of day with a
> jackhammer.... but I would go grocery shopping at that ungodly hour if
> I hadn't gone to sleep yet. )

Maybe we can "shop together" sometime then. 6am is 3 am to you. Are
you ever up then. heheh

G.

On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 16:26:52 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Your phone accesses the internet to talk to the program. It's all in
> > the cloud.
>
> Your phone might .... mine doesn't. I make my lists ON my phone and read
> them FROM it.

You use the list called "grocery" (the one with the checkboxes) or is
it something else?

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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 16:26:52 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > Your phone accesses the internet to talk to the program. It's all in
>> > the cloud.
>>
>> Your phone might .... mine doesn't. I make my lists ON my phone and read
>> them FROM it.
>
> You use the list called "grocery" (the one with the checkboxes) or is
> it something else?

I have 3 options: Shopping list- Pantry list - To do list.

I just use those. I don't log in to anything nor do I sign up/in.


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> wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 16:20:11 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
> wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 13:17:49 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>We have free wifi in supermarkets, shopping malls, roadside service
>>>>>>stations, city squares etc here. I wouldn't trust any of them and if
>>>>>>we
>>>>>>need our computers when we are out/away we use our plug in broadband
>>>>>>dongles.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a 3Connect dongle I use when in the UK, it's great.
>>>>
>>>>Yes We have those too Do you use 'pay as you go'? We have ours
>>>>on
>>>>contract.
>>>
>>> Yes, originally I think the dongle was £20 then the next time I was
>>> over it was just the £10 for one month. I can't remember what I paid
>>> last time, whatever it is, it is worth it to me. Most people near my
>>> uncle and aunts now have secured their routers, so I can't use someone
>>> elses signal, it's a nuisance to go to the library, nearest hot spot,
>>> so this suits me fine.
>>>
>>> It is post code sensitive so I can't use it when I visit my friend in
>>> Glos but she is wired and I can put her code in and use hers.
>>
>>I can use mine anywhere with no post code restriction but I suppose that
>>is
>>with the contract.
>
> Probably since they knew I would only use it once in a while when in
> the UK mine varies. I certainly didn't have a contract and have never
> managed to use up my allocation in the time I have spent there. It's
> been worth their while, the dongle would not really cost them £20 so
> it's win/win for them and me. He told me it would only work with my
> aunts postal code.

So long as it works for you Can you put in your Aunt's post code when you
are somewhere else? I can do that with other stuff on the net.

err not your Aunt's code you understand)

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On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 16:55:47 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:
>
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 16:26:52 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "sf" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >
> >> > Your phone accesses the internet to talk to the program. It's all in
> >> > the cloud.
> >>
> >> Your phone might .... mine doesn't. I make my lists ON my phone and read
> >> them FROM it.
> >
> > You use the list called "grocery" (the one with the checkboxes) or is
> > it something else?
>
> I have 3 options: Shopping list- Pantry list - To do list.
>
> I just use those. I don't log in to anything nor do I sign up/in.

OIC. If I wanted it to be phone only and never talk to the internet,
I'd use the app called "memo" that came bundled with my phone. I like
the way out-of-milk syncs with my computer and my tablet. I don't
need my phone with me at all times. I just use whatever is handy to
add something to the list. It would probably be easier on my battery
if I turned OoM off while shopping though. I'll try that next time,
thanks for the idea.

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