On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 11:41:39 -0400, Gary > wrote:

> sf wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 11:43:48 -0400, Gary > wrote:
> >
> > > Cheryl wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'll have to try to find the times when
> > > > my usual store isn't busy.
> > >
> > > Go any day of the week very early. Never a crowd problem. My normal
> > > weekly time is 6am every Saturday.
> > >
> > You couldn't pry me out of bed at that time of day with a
> > jackhammer.... but I would go grocery shopping at that ungodly hour if
> > I hadn't gone to sleep yet. )
>
> Maybe we can "shop together" sometime then. 6am is 3 am to you. Are
> you ever up then. heheh
>
Maybe we should do a virtual "shop along" - like we used to do "cook
alongs" on the chat channel a few years ago. LOL


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On 2014-07-12 11:11 AM, Gary wrote:
> wrote:
>>
>> So are you saying in all US supermarkets, everything is very clearly
>> and visibly marked as to its origins ?
>
> In my grocery stores (Virginia), I've never seen a country of origin
> notice on any meat labels.
>
I do... if it is product of Australia or New Zealand. I can't say that
chicken is identified by origin. My wife used to have a thing about
chicken and claimed that ours was better than American because the US
allows more chemicals and crap in their animal feed. I used to work
near the border. There was a chicken processing plant nearby and a
number of chicken producers. I used to see live chickens going out of
the country and a couple days later I would see loads of chicken coming
back. Buying it here was no guarantee it was Canadian.

I tried to explain to her how chickens are raised. Farmers prepare
their barns and order thousands of chicks from the hatchery. They stick
them into a barn, proved heat lamps to keep them warm and give them lots
of food and water. When they reach the age and size that reflects the
biggest return on their investment, they sell. They bring in crews of
chicken catchers to round them up, stick then into cages and load them
on trucks to go to the processing plant. If a chicken farmer across the
border has a barn full of chickens that he has to keep feeding, he will
send them to the closest processor that will take them.

"sf" > wrote in message
news
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 16:55:47 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 16:26:52 +0100, "Ophelia"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> "sf" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> >
>> >> > Your phone accesses the internet to talk to the program. It's all
>> >> > in
>> >> > the cloud.
>> >>
>> >> Your phone might .... mine doesn't. I make my lists ON my phone and
>> >> read
>> >> them FROM it.
>> >
>> > You use the list called "grocery" (the one with the checkboxes) or is
>> > it something else?
>>
>> I have 3 options: Shopping list- Pantry list - To do list.
>>
>> I just use those. I don't log in to anything nor do I sign up/in.
>
> OIC. If I wanted it to be phone only and never talk to the internet,
> I'd use the app called "memo" that came bundled with my phone. I like
> the way out-of-milk syncs with my computer and my tablet. I don't
> need my phone with me at all times.

So if you don't have your phone handy, how do you take your lists with you?
Do you print a list and take that with you?


I just use whatever is handy to
> add something to the list. It would probably be easier on my battery
> if I turned OoM off while shopping though. I'll try that next time,
> thanks for the idea.

It is *much* easier on the battery! I have a memo thingy too but I like my
lists.


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> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 16:59:50 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
> wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 16:20:11 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
> wrote in message
m...
>>>>> On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 13:17:49 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>We have free wifi in supermarkets, shopping malls, roadside service
>>>>>>>>stations, city squares etc here. I wouldn't trust any of them and
>>>>>>>>if
>>>>>>>>we
>>>>>>>>need our computers when we are out/away we use our plug in broadband
>>>>>>>>dongles.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a 3Connect dongle I use when in the UK, it's great.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes We have those too Do you use 'pay as you go'? We have
>>>>>>ours
>>>>>>on
>>>>>>contract.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, originally I think the dongle was £20 then the next time I was
>>>>> over it was just the £10 for one month. I can't remember what I paid
>>>>> last time, whatever it is, it is worth it to me. Most people near my
>>>>> uncle and aunts now have secured their routers, so I can't use someone
>>>>> elses signal, it's a nuisance to go to the library, nearest hot spot,
>>>>> so this suits me fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is post code sensitive so I can't use it when I visit my friend in
>>>>> Glos but she is wired and I can put her code in and use hers.
>>>>
>>>>I can use mine anywhere with no post code restriction but I suppose that
>>>>is
>>>>with the contract.
>>>
>>> Probably since they knew I would only use it once in a while when in
>>> the UK mine varies. I certainly didn't have a contract and have never
>>> managed to use up my allocation in the time I have spent there. It's
>>> been worth their while, the dongle would not really cost them £20 so
>>> it's win/win for them and me. He told me it would only work with my
>>> aunts postal code.
>>
>>So long as it works for you Can you put in your Aunt's post code when
>>you
>>are somewhere else? I can do that with other stuff on the net.
>>
>>err not your Aunt's code you understand)
>
> Yes I regularly do it with ClassicFM - it always surprises me though
> that I am here, give a Surrey post code and they accept it Not
> complaining though.
>
> What did set me back though was when I was actually there for their
> 70th anniversary and I emailed in a request for some music to be
> played for them. Got quite a nasty email back saying not allowed. The
> only difference was that was on my netbook whereas when I listen to
> them here, I am using this computer.
>
> It rather put me off them for awhile - 70th anniversary etc, you'd
> have thunk they would have gone past trivialities.






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> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 17:51:22 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>
>>So if you don't have your phone handy, how do you take your lists with
>>you?
>>Do you print a list and take that with you?
>>
>>
>> I just use whatever is handy to
>>> add something to the list. It would probably be easier on my battery
>>> if I turned OoM off while shopping though. I'll try that next time,
>>> thanks for the idea.
>>
>>It is *much* easier on the battery! I have a memo thingy too but I like
>>my
>>lists.
>
> It's good to go in with a paper list and make it prominent. I read
> once or twice the thing managers hate is people with lists, they have
> generally made them with specials in mind, and they do not tend to
> pander to the stupidmarket with impulse buys - so I always have my
> list in hand.

So do I, but my list is on my phone)

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On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 17:51:22 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> news
> > On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 16:55:47 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> "sf" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 16:26:52 +0100, "Ophelia"
> >> > > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> "sf" > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Your phone accesses the internet to talk to the program. It's all
> >> >> > in
> >> >> > the cloud.
> >> >>
> >> >> Your phone might .... mine doesn't. I make my lists ON my phone and
> >> >> read them FROM it.
> >> >
> >> > You use the list called "grocery" (the one with the checkboxes) or is
> >> > it something else?
> >>
> >> I have 3 options: Shopping list- Pantry list - To do list.
> >>
> >> I just use those. I don't log in to anything nor do I sign up/in.
> >
> > OIC. If I wanted it to be phone only and never talk to the internet,
> > I'd use the app called "memo" that came bundled with my phone. I like
> > the way out-of-milk syncs with my computer and my tablet. I don't
> > need my phone with me at all times.
>
> So if you don't have your phone handy, how do you take your lists with you?
> Do you print a list and take that with you?
>
>
> I just use whatever is handy to
> > add something to the list. It would probably be easier on my battery
> > if I turned OoM off while shopping though. I'll try that next time,
> > thanks for the idea.
>
> It is *much* easier on the battery! I have a memo thingy too but I like my
> lists.

I tried this at home. I exited the program via task manager, then
tried to open it. I had a blank screen for too long, then my list
appeared. When I went back to task manager, the program had signed in
and was accessing the internet. When I signed out of the program, it
opened up without accessing the internet - but I prefer killing it via
task manager because I don't have go through all of the screens that I
need to go through just to sign in.

If I didn't want it to access the internet, I'd delete it and use the
bundled memo app.

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In article >, says...

> Maybe we should do a virtual "shop along" - like we used to do "cook
> alongs" on the chat channel a few years ago. LOL

I'm nominating you to virtual shopalonga Julie and Angela.

Janet UK

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 16:43:40 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:

>On 7/11/2014 4:13 PM, Nellie wrote:
>> On Friday, July 11, 2014 1:42:40 PM UTC-7, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Friday, July 11, 2014 9:04:42 AM UTC-10, sf wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 11:41:38 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> You'll never know until you try is what I say. I'll probably work better where you're at than where I'm at. Ironically, if there's a lot of swamps in your area, my guess is that a swamp cooler won't work that great. :-)
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> That part of the USA is in what's called a Temperate Rain Forest, but
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> I don't know how much raining it has been doing lately or even how
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> much fog they have. Our fog certainly isn't what it used to be.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempera...rain_forest s
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for the info. I'm not too hip about the RFC cast of players and where they live. I used to live in the Pacific Northwest - it never got warm enough to suit me. I used to live in the SF Bay area too. That was a little better. Driving in that fog was scary as shit. How do you guys do that?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> OTOH, it's getting a little too hot over here and the AC in my car sprung a leak. Ha ha, that's the breaks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> --
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.
>>
>>
>>
>> You get used to it and know where it is bad and avoid those areas. However, you can get caught unawares and that is scary indeed. Some of the scariest moments of my life have been on that road that sf mentioned.
>>
>> San Francisco is sunnier these days, though, even where I grew up near the beach and where my husband grew up, off of Ocean Ave have a lot more sun now
>>
>> When we were kids we couldn't wait to get out of the fog and move into the warmer areas. Now, many of us have either moved back or are contemplating it. It really is easier to live in SF without the temperature extremes that happen elsewhere.
>>
>> Nellie
>>
>
>It's a great town - it's gratifying to hear that the residents haven't
>quite gotten a handle on the fog too.
>
>It certainly started out as a fun day. We went over the Golden gate to
>Marin county to visit my Uncle and when we came back, we got caught up
>in that pea soup. We was a little frantic in that car. You would have
>thought that my wife would have been more helpful since she grew up in
>the Presidio. Anyway, as far as I know, you just keep your eyes on the
>markers on the center of the lanes and try not to hit anything.
>
>After we got through the fog, we got into the outskirts of SF. Some
>parts of the road was closed down because they were filming a car chase.
>Cool. All that fog must scrub the air clean of particles because I
>remember everything being in sharp focus in the movie lights. It was a
>damn dramatic effect. I wonder what movie that was.

The Fog of course, starring Adrienne Bazooms Barbeau.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fog

> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 18:22:21 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>>
>>> It's good to go in with a paper list and make it prominent. I read
>>> once or twice the thing managers hate is people with lists, they have
>>> generally made them with specials in mind, and they do not tend to
>>> pander to the stupidmarket with impulse buys - so I always have my
>>> list in hand.
>>
>>So do I, but my list is on my phone)
>
> So long as one is consulting a list, I expect that disappoints them

Hopefullly

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"sf" > wrote in message
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> On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 17:51:22 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> news
>> > On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 16:55:47 +0100, "Ophelia"
>> > > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "sf" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 16:26:52 +0100, "Ophelia"
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "sf" > wrote in message
>> >> >> ...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Your phone accesses the internet to talk to the program. It's
>> >> >> > all
>> >> >> > in
>> >> >> > the cloud.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Your phone might .... mine doesn't. I make my lists ON my phone
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> read them FROM it.
>> >> >
>> >> > You use the list called "grocery" (the one with the checkboxes) or
>> >> > is
>> >> > it something else?
>> >>
>> >> I have 3 options: Shopping list- Pantry list - To do list.
>> >>
>> >> I just use those. I don't log in to anything nor do I sign up/in.
>> >
>> > OIC. If I wanted it to be phone only and never talk to the internet,
>> > I'd use the app called "memo" that came bundled with my phone. I like
>> > the way out-of-milk syncs with my computer and my tablet. I don't
>> > need my phone with me at all times.
>>
>> So if you don't have your phone handy, how do you take your lists with
>> you?
>> Do you print a list and take that with you?
>>
>>
>> I just use whatever is handy to
>> > add something to the list. It would probably be easier on my battery
>> > if I turned OoM off while shopping though. I'll try that next time,
>> > thanks for the idea.
>>
>> It is *much* easier on the battery! I have a memo thingy too but I like
>> my
>> lists.
>
> I tried this at home. I exited the program via task manager, then
> tried to open it. I had a blank screen for too long, then my list
> appeared. When I went back to task manager, the program had signed in
> and was accessing the internet. When I signed out of the program, it
> opened up without accessing the internet - but I prefer killing it via
> task manager because I don't have go through all of the screens that I
> need to go through just to sign in.

I don't have any problems with mine. Access is instantaneous. Perhaps
because I have never signed up anyway.


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On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 19:23:53 +0100, janet > wrote:

> In article >, says...
>
> > Maybe we should do a virtual "shop along" - like we used to do "cook
> > alongs" on the chat channel a few years ago. LOL
>
> I'm nominating you to virtual shopalonga Julie and Angela.
>
No need. Julie does it already. You really must keep up.

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On 2014-07-12 1:17 PM, wrote:

> It's good to go in with a paper list and make it prominent. I read
> once or twice the thing managers hate is people with lists, they have
> generally made them with specials in mind, and they do not tend to
> pander to the stupidmarket with impulse buys - so I always have my
> list in hand.
>


My list is only for the things that I really need to get. like when we
are running low on essentials. Other than that, I am more of an impulse
shopper.

On 7/11/2014 1:01 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>>>
>>> "S Viemeister" > wrote in message
>
>
>>> I won't have them. Not so bad when you just come indoors. but could
>>> be pretty dangerous when you are driving.
>
> Please explain. They have never been a problem driving. If you never
> had them, you don't know what you are talking about.
>
When I'm driving is when I *want* the darkened/sunglasses feature of the
transitions lenses. That way I'm not blinded by glare. They don't
prevent me from being able to see. Then again, my car windows are only
slightly tinted, not looking like blackout curtains like some vehicles I
see.

It could also be because my transitions lenses are only a couple of
years old. As with many things, technology can improve over time. In
fact, when I ordered the transition lenses the optician told me they
will *not* get overly dark when I'm in a car. She told me don't expect
them to turn into really dark sunglasses. When I'm outside they darken
quickly, but when I get inside (a car or the house) they revert back
pretty darn quickly. I'm happy with not having to switch from my
regular r/x glasses to a pair of r/x sunglasses when I'm out and about.
One less thing to carry in my purse.

Jill

On 7/11/2014 2:14 PM, Janet Bostwick wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 12:56:15 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>
>>> "Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>>> I used Transition for a while. I stopped because the accurate
>>>> response is only good for about a year. At least, that was the
>>>> admitted response time from the Transition people. They also seemed
>>>> to be slightly tinted all the time. I didn't like that faint tint
>>>> look on my face.
>>
>>
>> How long ago? They have improved considerably over the years. I
>> avoided them for the reasons you cite, but then finally jumped in.
>> The response time is fast and they are perfectly clear. Mine are
>> pushing 3 years now and still perform well.
>
> 7-8 years ago.
> Janet US
>
Things have changed, for sure. I got mine a couple of years ago. They
darken and lighten PDQ.

Jill

On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 07:55:28 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 08:03:22 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 05:31:00 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>
>> snip
>> >
>> >Sadly, it seems like the skys aren't clear and blue anywhere anymore.
>> >I go places where I expect to see clear skys and they are not. China
>> >pretends it's going green, but it's belching out coal smoke like
>> >crazy. We have all the coal states doing practically the same thing
>> >(with better scrubbers) and wild fires everywhere in the summertime.
>> >We were at some beautiful vista up North a couple of years ago... I
>> >forget exactly where - Idaho, South Dakota and there was a haze in the
>> >air. We had multi-state brush fires in the West that probably caused
>> >it. but the ranger said past air quality tests said the haze they get
>> >can be pollution from as far away as Los Angeles. I believe it,
>> >because haze from the brush fires in Washington made it all the way
>> >down to Arizona that year.
>>
>> Sometimes when the wildfires are many and bad in CA, AZ etc., it
>> smells and looks just like the wildfire is just outside our city. It
>> isn't just what you would call haze, it's more like actual smoke in
>> density.
>
>I can wrap my mind around air currents in a localized area, but I'm
>always amazed by the larger ones. I "get" global Westerlys and Trade
>Winds, but regionalized N-S and S-N wind currents over such a massive
>land area had never occurred to me before. It's all circular.

It never occurred to me until I experienced it. I remember one night
driving the foothill roads around the city to see how much danger
there was to my house. I did this because the smoke smell was so
immediate that I was sure that the hillside was in flames. Not so. It
was all coming in from the west.
Janet US

On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 15:03:38 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:
snip
>The Fog of course, starring Adrienne Bazooms Barbeau.
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fog

I like that flick
Janet US

On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 11:44:16 -0300, wrote:

>On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 09:45:14 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:
>
>>On 7/12/2014 6:45 AM, wrote:
>>
>>> I like that in the UK I can see the string beans came from Kenya or
>>> bananas from Honduras.
>>
>>http://www.ams.usda.gov/AMSv1.0/COOL
>>
>>nancy
>
>
>You would find the same thing here except when you are actually
>shopping they have found ways to get around really exact labelling.
>Shrimp would be a good example. To all intents and purposes it
>appears to have been caught locally and it says Canada on the label.
>However, that refers to the plastic bag and the fact it came here in
>containers and was packaged in that plastic bag. That isn't what I
>think of when I see Canada. Especially since in my area they are
>catching shrimp from lovely northern waters, clear and clean as
>crystal. Those mostly go to Europe, I know that for a fact because
>one of my daughters is instrumental in shipping them.

the packaging that I see says
wild caught in Mexico, or Thailand or Alaska. Tilapia says Honduras
and some place else. However, this is at Costco. Labeling may be
more willy-nilly in other stores.
Janet US

On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 08:17:43 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 16:05:54 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 13:15:13 +0100, "Ophelia"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "sf" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 12:48:21 +0100, "Ophelia"
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> We have free wifi in supermarkets, shopping malls, roadside service
>> >> >> stations, city squares etc here. I wouldn't trust any of them and if
>> >> >> we
>> >> >> need our computers when we are out/away we use our plug in broadband
>> >> >> dongles.
>> >> >
>> >> > Those things are too expensive over here. I use public wifi.
>> >>
>> >> They aren't too bad. £15.99 each for a month. We need them for when D.
>> >> is
>> >> working away and we are living in the caravan.
>> >
>> > How much data do you get for only £15.99 a month?
>>
>> Unlimited and I made a mistake. It is £15.98 ;-)
>> >
>> >> I wouldn't rely on public wifi.
>> >
>> > How do you access Out of Milk when you're shopping?
>>
>> I don't, I just use my lists.
>
>You print them out before you leave the house?

I want my paper list so that I can scribble notes and cross things
out. Terribly old fashioned.
Janet US

On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 11:29:50 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 11:43:48 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>> Cheryl wrote:
>> >
>> > I'll have to try to find the times when
>> > my usual store isn't busy.
>>
>> Go any day of the week very early. Never a crowd problem. My normal
>> weekly time is 6am every Saturday.
>>
>You couldn't pry me out of bed at that time of day with a
>jackhammer.... but I would go grocery shopping at that ungodly hour if
>I hadn't gone to sleep yet. )

I went to Costco this morning as they opened (Sat. 9:30 a.m.) The
parking lot isn't crazy. Everything inside is in place, neat, fully
stocked. Everyone is on a mission, no lollygagging. My other
favorite day is Wednesday morning. The entire store is re-stocked to
the ceiling. In my experience, those are the best times to go. You
really get a chance to read the shelves and if you are interested in
what new cheese may have come in, you've got the aisle to yourself to
read all the labels. I usually get a couple of new-to-me cheese.
Janet US

On 7/11/2014 2:26 PM, sf wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 12:14:20 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> > wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 12:56:15 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> "Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>
>>>>> I used Transition for a while. I stopped because the accurate
>>>>> response is only good for about a year. At least, that was the
>>>>> admitted response time from the Transition people. They also seemed
>>>>> to be slightly tinted all the time. I didn't like that faint tint
>>>>> look on my face.
>>>
>>>
>>> How long ago? They have improved considerably over the years. I
>>> avoided them for the reasons you cite, but then finally jumped in.
>>> The response time is fast and they are perfectly clear. Mine are
>>> pushing 3 years now and still perform well.
>>
>> 7-8 years ago.
>
> This is my first pair of transitions and I have had no problem with
> them. As far as a tint, I just held them up to a white sheet of paper
> and you'd really have to look for a faint gradient - so they've
> improved.
>
Mine are only a couple of years old. I also don't notice a tint when
I'm inside. I just held mine up towards the window for about one
minute. It's nearly 7PM; I'm sitting in the back and the sun sets in
the front of the house. The lenses didn't even *think* about darkening.
So yes, I think the technology has improved.

I'm certainly not going to insist anyone buy them. Just sayin', I don't
have the hassel of switching back and forth between two types of
[prescription] eyeglasses anymore. These have been working well for a
couple of years. There is no sign of them working less efficiently than
when I bought them. And I can see! <G>

Jill

On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 19:01:41 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 7/11/2014 2:26 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 12:14:20 -0600, Janet Bostwick
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 12:56:15 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> I used Transition for a while. I stopped because the accurate
>>>>>> response is only good for about a year. At least, that was the
>>>>>> admitted response time from the Transition people. They also seemed
>>>>>> to be slightly tinted all the time. I didn't like that faint tint
>>>>>> look on my face.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How long ago? They have improved considerably over the years. I
>>>> avoided them for the reasons you cite, but then finally jumped in.
>>>> The response time is fast and they are perfectly clear. Mine are
>>>> pushing 3 years now and still perform well.
>>>
>>> 7-8 years ago.
>>
>> This is my first pair of transitions and I have had no problem with
>> them. As far as a tint, I just held them up to a white sheet of paper
>> and you'd really have to look for a faint gradient - so they've
>> improved.
>>
>Mine are only a couple of years old. I also don't notice a tint when
>I'm inside. I just held mine up towards the window for about one
>minute. It's nearly 7PM; I'm sitting in the back and the sun sets in
>the front of the house. The lenses didn't even *think* about darkening.
> So yes, I think the technology has improved.
>
>I'm certainly not going to insist anyone buy them. Just sayin', I don't
>have the hassel of switching back and forth between two types of
>[prescription] eyeglasses anymore. These have been working well for a
>couple of years. There is no sign of them working less efficiently than
>when I bought them. And I can see! <G>
>
>Jill

I didn't mean to stir up a ruckus. I was just commenting about my
experience so others could investigate if they were thinking about a
purchase.
Janet US

On 7/12/2014 6:17 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 7/11/2014 1:01 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> "S Viemeister" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>>> I won't have them. Not so bad when you just come indoors. but could
>>>> be pretty dangerous when you are driving.
>>
>> Please explain. They have never been a problem driving. If you never
>> had them, you don't know what you are talking about.
>>
> When I'm driving is when I *want* the darkened/sunglasses feature of the
> transitions lenses. That way I'm not blinded by glare. They don't
> prevent me from being able to see. Then again, my car windows are only
> slightly tinted, not looking like blackout curtains like some vehicles I
> see.

Exactly, I see no reason to say they are a danger for any reason. For
years I carried a pair of sunglasses and swapped them frequently as
needed. Now, I never even think about it, they are always the right tiny.

I've not seen a reply from the OP so I think he is uninformed as to how
they really work and has no experience with them.

On 7/12/2014 9:13 PM, Janet Bostwick wrote:

>
> I didn't mean to stir up a ruckus. I was just commenting about my
> experience so others could investigate if they were thinking about a
> purchase.
> Janet US
>

May have been little ruckus, but it may have corrected some
misconceptions. It may improve the quality of life for some people.

On 7/12/2014 9:27 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 7/12/2014 6:17 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 7/11/2014 1:01 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "S Viemeister" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>
>>>>> I won't have them. Not so bad when you just come indoors. but could
>>>>> be pretty dangerous when you are driving.
>>>
>>> Please explain. They have never been a problem driving. If you never
>>> had them, you don't know what you are talking about.
>>>
>> When I'm driving is when I *want* the darkened/sunglasses feature of the
>> transitions lenses. That way I'm not blinded by glare. They don't
>> prevent me from being able to see. Then again, my car windows are only
>> slightly tinted, not looking like blackout curtains like some vehicles I
>> see.
>
> Exactly, I see no reason to say they are a danger for any reason. For
> years I carried a pair of sunglasses and swapped them frequently as
> needed. Now, I never even think about it

I'm not sure who first said transitions weren't any good. I do know I
posted about them because I got tired of carrying separate eyeglasses.
Even swapping them out from the same eyeglass case in my purse, it was
*very* nice not to have to fish another pair of glasses. Sorry!

Jill

"janet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> says...
>
>> Maybe we should do a virtual "shop along" - like we used to do "cook
>> alongs" on the chat channel a few years ago. LOL
>
> I'm nominating you to virtual shopalonga Julie and Angela.
>
> Janet UK

Pass. I actually had a couponer who lived in Everett want to shop along
with me at Winco. I guess some people like shopping with other people.
When I shop for groceries for other people, I don't mind them coming along
because I can then get their input on things and I am less likely to pick up
stuff they won't eat. OTOH sometimes when they are not with me, I pick up
something they might never consider and then they will eat it.

But grocery shopping with others outside of my family or friends? I'm not
into that.

"Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 11:29:50 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 11:43:48 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>> Cheryl wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I'll have to try to find the times when
>>> > my usual store isn't busy.
>>>
>>> Go any day of the week very early. Never a crowd problem. My normal
>>> weekly time is 6am every Saturday.
>>>
>>You couldn't pry me out of bed at that time of day with a
>>jackhammer.... but I would go grocery shopping at that ungodly hour if
>>I hadn't gone to sleep yet. )
>
> I went to Costco this morning as they opened (Sat. 9:30 a.m.) The
> parking lot isn't crazy. Everything inside is in place, neat, fully
> stocked. Everyone is on a mission, no lollygagging. My other
> favorite day is Wednesday morning. The entire store is re-stocked to
> the ceiling. In my experience, those are the best times to go. You
> really get a chance to read the shelves and if you are interested in
> what new cheese may have come in, you've got the aisle to yourself to
> read all the labels. I usually get a couple of new-to-me cheese.
> Janet US

I didn't know that the general public could shop then. I thought it was
only for business customers. Or maybe that only applies to the business
locations?

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/12/2014 8:05 AM, sf wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 10:16:02 +0100, janet > wrote:
>
>>> Yet Americans usually see themselves as confident go-getters with
>>> the best
>>> services in the world ( and Brits as reserved and subservient, without).
>>> It's a
>>> mystery :-}
>>>
>> I think you're buying a myth.
>
> She gets all atwitter when she trots out her super knowledge
> of Americans. Highlight of her day.

I don't understand how anyone could lump any one group of people together
like that. Especially a group as diverse as Americans are.

On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 16:30:25 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 2014-07-12 1:17 PM, wrote:
>
> > It's good to go in with a paper list and make it prominent. I read
> > once or twice the thing managers hate is people with lists, they have
> > generally made them with specials in mind, and they do not tend to
> > pander to the stupidmarket with impulse buys - so I always have my
> > list in hand.
> >
>
>
> My list is only for the things that I really need to get. like when we
> are running low on essentials. Other than that, I am more of an impulse
> shopper.

Ditto. If everything I needed/wanted/might inspire me could be put on
a list, I'd either send my husband shopping or order via the internet.

I like looking at the entire grocery store, to see what vegetable,
meat, fish/seafood selections are on sale (+how nice they look - or
not) and mentally putting items together while I'm shopping to make a
meal.

The best laid plans often don't work out, so if plan A doesn't work, I
switch to pan B. That's life.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 16:36:10 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:

> I want my paper list so that I can scribble notes and cross things
> out. Terribly old fashioned.

You can do that with Out of Milk. You can cross items out and move
them to the bottom of the list.. not sure what your notes would be but
it has several note options that I only used for the first time when I
said to look for those Stouffer single portions on sale for $2.50.
They were more, not a whole lot more - but more. Time will tell if
like it or not.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 22:10:27 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "janet" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > says...
> >
> >> Maybe we should do a virtual "shop along" - like we used to do "cook
> >> alongs" on the chat channel a few years ago. LOL
> >
> > I'm nominating you to virtual shopalonga Julie and Angela.
> >
> > Janet UK
>
> Pass. I actually had a couponer who lived in Everett want to shop along
> with me at Winco. I guess some people like shopping with other people.
> When I shop for groceries for other people, I don't mind them coming along
> because I can then get their input on things and I am less likely to pick up
> stuff they won't eat. OTOH sometimes when they are not with me, I pick up
> something they might never consider and then they will eat it.
>
> But grocery shopping with others outside of my family or friends? I'm not
> into that.

Julie. Let it go. NOW. Janet is so intent on being sarcastic and
cutting people down that she couldn't resist jumping in and dragging
you into it too. That is how it goes in rfc.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 16:46:55 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:

> On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 11:29:50 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 11:43:48 -0400, Gary > wrote:
> >
> >> Cheryl wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I'll have to try to find the times when
> >> > my usual store isn't busy.
> >>
> >> Go any day of the week very early. Never a crowd problem. My normal
> >> weekly time is 6am every Saturday.
> >>
> >You couldn't pry me out of bed at that time of day with a
> >jackhammer.... but I would go grocery shopping at that ungodly hour if
> >I hadn't gone to sleep yet. )
>
> I went to Costco this morning as they opened (Sat. 9:30 a.m.) The
> parking lot isn't crazy. Everything inside is in place, neat, fully
> stocked. Everyone is on a mission, no lollygagging. My other
> favorite day is Wednesday morning. The entire store is re-stocked to
> the ceiling. In my experience, those are the best times to go. You
> really get a chance to read the shelves and if you are interested in
> what new cheese may have come in, you've got the aisle to yourself to
> read all the labels. I usually get a couple of new-to-me cheese.
> Janet US

I don't know if Google delivers in your town, but if it does... you
can use Google Shopping for Costco and get free delivery. I happen to
like to shop in person, so free delivery isn't a BFD to me. But for
people who know what they want without looking at it up close and
personal, free delivery is probably a good thing. I like it for no
better reason than I think their vans are cute and I'd like one to
pull up to my house to deliver something sometime.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 21:33:12 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On 7/12/2014 9:13 PM, Janet Bostwick wrote:
>
> >
> > I didn't mean to stir up a ruckus. I was just commenting about my
> > experience so others could investigate if they were thinking about a
> > purchase.
> > Janet US
> >
>
> May have been little ruckus, but it may have corrected some
> misconceptions. It may improve the quality of life for some people.

I think my quality of life has improved. I hadn't owned prescription
sunglasses in years, maybe 20. I was tired of squinting and I know
the glare wasn't doing anything good to my eyes.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 22:10:27 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "janet" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article >,
>> > says...
>> >
>> >> Maybe we should do a virtual "shop along" - like we used to do "cook
>> >> alongs" on the chat channel a few years ago. LOL
>> >
>> > I'm nominating you to virtual shopalonga Julie and Angela.
>> >
>> > Janet UK
>>
>> Pass. I actually had a couponer who lived in Everett want to shop along
>> with me at Winco. I guess some people like shopping with other people.
>> When I shop for groceries for other people, I don't mind them coming
>> along
>> because I can then get their input on things and I am less likely to pick
>> up
>> stuff they won't eat. OTOH sometimes when they are not with me, I pick
>> up
>> something they might never consider and then they will eat it.
>>
>> But grocery shopping with others outside of my family or friends? I'm
>> not
>> into that.
>
> Julie. Let it go. NOW. Janet is so intent on being sarcastic and
> cutting people down that she couldn't resist jumping in and dragging
> you into it too. That is how it goes in rfc.
>
Seems that way any more. I'm here to talk food but it always has to turn
into something else. I'm gonna go weed through my veggies and see what I
can put in the casseroles. Will be baking them now as I'd rather heat up
the house now while it is cool outside.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 16:46:55 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> > wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 11:29:50 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>
>> >On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 11:43:48 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Cheryl wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > I'll have to try to find the times when
>> >> > my usual store isn't busy.
>> >>
>> >> Go any day of the week very early. Never a crowd problem. My normal
>> >> weekly time is 6am every Saturday.
>> >>
>> >You couldn't pry me out of bed at that time of day with a
>> >jackhammer.... but I would go grocery shopping at that ungodly hour if
>> >I hadn't gone to sleep yet. )
>>
>> I went to Costco this morning as they opened (Sat. 9:30 a.m.) The
>> parking lot isn't crazy. Everything inside is in place, neat, fully
>> stocked. Everyone is on a mission, no lollygagging. My other
>> favorite day is Wednesday morning. The entire store is re-stocked to
>> the ceiling. In my experience, those are the best times to go. You
>> really get a chance to read the shelves and if you are interested in
>> what new cheese may have come in, you've got the aisle to yourself to
>> read all the labels. I usually get a couple of new-to-me cheese.
>> Janet US
>
> I don't know if Google delivers in your town, but if it does... you
> can use Google Shopping for Costco and get free delivery. I happen to
> like to shop in person, so free delivery isn't a BFD to me. But for
> people who know what they want without looking at it up close and
> personal, free delivery is probably a good thing. I like it for no
> better reason than I think their vans are cute and I'd like one to
> pull up to my house to deliver something sometime.

I wish they would do that here. I looked into it and I think it's only in
your area. I would also like to get some things from the business delivery
but can't because I only have a residence.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
news
> On 7/12/2014 6:17 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 7/11/2014 1:01 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "S Viemeister" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>
>>>>> I won't have them. Not so bad when you just come indoors. but could
>>>>> be pretty dangerous when you are driving.
>>>
>>> Please explain. They have never been a problem driving. If you never
>>> had them, you don't know what you are talking about.
>>>
>> When I'm driving is when I *want* the darkened/sunglasses feature of the
>> transitions lenses. That way I'm not blinded by glare. They don't
>> prevent me from being able to see. Then again, my car windows are only
>> slightly tinted, not looking like blackout curtains like some vehicles I
>> see.
>
> Exactly, I see no reason to say they are a danger for any reason. For
> years I carried a pair of sunglasses and swapped them frequently as
> needed. Now, I never even think about it, they are always the right tiny.
>
> I've not seen a reply from the OP so I think he is uninformed as to how
> they really work and has no experience with them.

I think that might have been me. When they first came out they worked very
slowly and I always worried about what might happen if for example, when
driving one came out of bright sunlight and into a dark tunnel or similar.
I haven't thought about them since but it seems from what you say they
chance very fast.



--
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"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/12/2014 9:27 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 7/12/2014 6:17 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 7/11/2014 1:01 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "S Viemeister" > wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> I won't have them. Not so bad when you just come indoors. but could
>>>>>> be pretty dangerous when you are driving.
>>>>
>>>> Please explain. They have never been a problem driving. If you never
>>>> had them, you don't know what you are talking about.
>>>>
>>> When I'm driving is when I *want* the darkened/sunglasses feature of the
>>> transitions lenses. That way I'm not blinded by glare. They don't
>>> prevent me from being able to see. Then again, my car windows are only
>>> slightly tinted, not looking like blackout curtains like some vehicles I
>>> see.
>>
>> Exactly, I see no reason to say they are a danger for any reason. For
>> years I carried a pair of sunglasses and swapped them frequently as
>> needed. Now, I never even think about it
>
> I'm not sure who first said transitions weren't any good. I do know I
> posted about them because I got tired of carrying separate eyeglasses.
> Even swapping them out from the same eyeglass case in my purse, it was
> *very* nice not to have to fish another pair of glasses. Sorry!

I do routinely have tints but on my prescription specs. I couldn't work
with having to change them over.


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 16:36:10 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> > wrote:
>
>> I want my paper list so that I can scribble notes and cross things
>> out. Terribly old fashioned.
>
> You can do that with Out of Milk. You can cross items out and move
> them to the bottom of the list.. not sure what your notes would be but
> it has several note options that I only used for the first time when I
> said to look for those Stouffer single portions on sale for $2.50.
> They were more, not a whole lot more - but more. Time will tell if
> like it or not.

There is a wee box at the beginning of each item. Once I have bought it I
touch it and that item moves down to the bottom. Similarly when I am making
my list, I go down to the bottom list and tap an item which then goes up to
the top. Of course we can drag them very easily too. I suspect yours works
just the same)


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On 7/13/2014 1:14 AM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 16:30:25 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:

>> My list is only for the things that I really need to get. like when we
>> are running low on essentials. Other than that, I am more of an impulse
>> shopper.
>
> Ditto. If everything I needed/wanted/might inspire me could be put on
> a list, I'd either send my husband shopping or order via the internet.
>
> I like looking at the entire grocery store, to see what vegetable,
> meat, fish/seafood selections are on sale (+how nice they look - or
> not) and mentally putting items together while I'm shopping to make a
> meal.
>
> The best laid plans often don't work out, so if plan A doesn't work, I
> switch to pan B. That's life.

I always see the advice to stick to your list, don't buy
anything that's not on it. A budgeting tool.

First of all, whoever says that vastly overestimates my
ability to make a really complete list of stuff I need.
How many times do I see something that reminds me I could
use more whatever. I don't live such a busy and structured
life that I have to keep on top of supplies like a hawk.

Okay, I don't run out of cat treats, because who needs that
misery.

Second, I often like to look around, see what looks good.
Once in a while I'll see a giant pack of meaty chicken
drums for under $3, I'm going to leave it there because
it's not on my list? Hardly. Or a particularly good looking
package of short ribs. Total impulse buy.

nancy

On 7/13/2014 9:20 AM, wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Jul 2014 09:06:38 -0400, Nancy Young
> > wrote:

>> I always see the advice to stick to your list, don't buy
>> anything that's not on it. A budgeting tool.

> I go with my list but not rigidly ! I have already combed the flyer
> before I go but sometimes there are unannounced specials that I will
> buy. However, I do pretty much stick to my list.

I learned at some point that just because it doesn't say so
in the circular, doesn't meant it's not on sale.

I would say that, on balance, most of the time I take my list
and that's what I get. I'm not in the mood for shopping, I
just need some things. But there are times when I like to
take my time, look around.

Whatever works.

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:
>
> I always see the advice to stick to your list, don't buy
> anything that's not on it. A budgeting tool.
>
> First of all, whoever says that vastly overestimates my
> ability to make a really complete list of stuff I need.

I agree and I'm sure most do. I always go with a list but I always
leave with more than what was on the list.

G.