"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Cheri" > wrote in message

>>> Yep, but if we are a long way from home, I will take the portable
>>> fridge/freezer.
>>
>> Of course, but I never do grocery shopping a long way from home. So far,
>> no need. :-)
>
> I was just telling you what I do ... but, you never know when

Yep, and I was telling you what I don't do. :-)

Cheri

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>
>>>> Yep, but if we are a long way from home, I will take the portable
>>>> fridge/freezer.
>>>
>>> Of course, but I never do grocery shopping a long way from home. So far,
>>> no need. :-)
>>
>> I was just telling you what I do ... but, you never know when
>
> Yep, and I was telling you what I don't do. :-)

Yers and I was just telling you what I err do do



--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On 2014-07-14 3:01 PM, wrote:

> When the Casino opened here I did go for a look around. The carpeting
> was fantastic, wool, and the chandeliers dripping with crystal and the
> nicest washrooms in town. How people can't see that they are paying
> for that and who the losers and winners are, is beyond me!
>


I walked through the Niagara Falls casino once. A group wanted to go and
spend some time there. One of the women in the group came with me for a
walk. We had to go through the casino. I don't think that I have ever
seen a more depressed looking bunch of people that those at the slots.

On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 10:27:48 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>
>"Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 07:09:53 -0700, "Cheri" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"sf" > wrote in message
>>>news >>>
>>>> That particular one isn't insulated and doesn't have a zipper, but
>>>> they doe have one that does. I think it's around $10, but I've never
>>>> needed to buy one so I don't remember the exact amount. It's hardly
>>>> ever hot enough here to matter and I live only 5 blocks away, so
>>>> frozen food stays frozen on the trip home.
>>>
>>>I've never needed insulated either, buying the frozen food last and
>>>heading
>>>home which is less than a mile or so.
>>>
>>>Cheri
>> Costco is 8 miles from my home through bad traffic. The temperature
>> here yesterday was 104F. There is A/C in the vehicle but that isn't
>> going to do the job. Between the 3 insulated bags I can bring home
>> frozen food and ice cream, dairy, meats and still keep the rotisserie
>> chicken hot.
>> Janet US
>
>Well yeah, 8 miles in bad traffic can be a really long way with perishables.

I usually buy certain perishables 20 miles from home, like giant sized
bags of frozen vegetables because it's a good sale, but I bring
insulated bags with freezer packs in them. But most ordinary
perishables like milk, eggs, butter and the like are the same price
regardless where so I buy those close to home, like a five minute
drive. I buy most meats in town, 4 miles and never any traffic. Also
where I live for half the year the temperature is around freezing or
lower so in winter I don't worry so much about perishables getting
warm, it's more about keeping things from becoming frozen solid so I'm
not going to stop off on the way home or everything in the car will
freeze solid in 20 minutes, frozen produce is not so good.

In article >, says...
> > She wrote them down in the order they ran out, or occurred to her.
>
> Considering she had written the list within minutes before handing it to
> me I would suggest that is not the case at all. She wrote them down as
> she thought about them.

which is what is meant by "in the order... they occurred to her"
>
> >
> > Any married man should be able to take a random list, draw up a simple spread
> > sheet and print it out, colour coded onto a map of any local supermarket layout.
> >
> > Or is that too much trouble? :-)
> >
> Yes. It is too much trouble. It is a shopping list, not a detailed set
> of procedures for a scientific experiment.

Oh, I thought you needed more instructions because you were having trouble.

Janet UK

In article >, says...

> I try to make lists for each store I am going to. I like to do them on the
> computer unless they are very small lists. I list each store and then try
> to put things on the list in the order in which they appear in the store.
> Of course if the store decides to move things around, this doesn't work.

Get a life.

Janet UK

On 2014-07-14 4:52 PM, janet wrote:
> In article >, says...
>>> She wrote them down in the order they ran out, or occurred to her.
>>
>> Considering she had written the list within minutes before handing it to
>> me I would suggest that is not the case at all. She wrote them down as
>> she thought about them.
>
> which is what is meant by "in the order... they occurred to her"
>>
>>>
>>> Any married man should be able to take a random list, draw up a simple spread
>>> sheet and print it out, colour coded onto a map of any local supermarket layout.
>>>
>>> Or is that too much trouble? :-)
>>>
>> Yes. It is too much trouble. It is a shopping list, not a detailed set
>> of procedures for a scientific experiment.
>
> Oh, I thought you needed more instructions because you were having trouble.
>
All I ask is that if I am handed a shopping list there should be a
couple seconds thought behind it so that items are lumped together into
the aisles or departments in which they will be found. That would be
much easier than following a list that will have be going back and forth
across the store.

On 2014-07-14 4:57 PM, janet wrote:
> In article >, says...
>
>> I try to make lists for each store I am going to. I like to do them on the
>> computer unless they are very small lists. I list each store and then try
>> to put things on the list in the order in which they appear in the store.
>> Of course if the store decides to move things around, this doesn't work.
>
> Get a life.

She must have read my post about my late BiL the anal retentive engineer
who made lists like that. It magically became her story.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> I walked through the Niagara Falls casino once. A group wanted to go
> and spend some time there. One of the women in the group came with me
> for a walk. We had to go through the casino. I don't think that I have
> ever seen a more depressed looking bunch of people that those at the
> slots.


I had this same experience. Why go to the Falls and go to a casino??
At the time, my sister was into gambling and went.

I hear you have to have a passport to get to the cheesy Canadian side
now. When I was there about 10 years ago, the American side was not
built up much. And it has the cool thing where you go down the elevator
and can walk under the falls. I really liked doing that. And there is
a state park where where you watch the whirlpools downstream, which
kinda freaked me out. I'm afraid of heights and the whirlpools just
kept forming over and over, over the cliff. With tons and tons of water
just going past, and the rapids.

Anyone been there lately? I want to take my former wife... Someday,
if not this year.

"janet" > wrote in message

> Get a life.

I liked that show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d7eBo_7i8I

On 2014-07-14 5:13 PM, Gus! wrote:
> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
> ...
>> I walked through the Niagara Falls casino once. A group wanted to go
>> and spend some time there. One of the women in the group came with me
>> for a walk. We had to go through the casino. I don't think that I have
>> ever seen a more depressed looking bunch of people that those at the
>> slots.
>
>
> I had this same experience. Why go to the Falls and go to a casino?? At
> the time, my sister was into gambling and went.
>
> I hear you have to have a passport to get to the cheesy Canadian side
> now. When I was there about 10 years ago, the American side was not
> built up much.

The American side still isn't built up much. There really isn't much to
see from the American side. Look at a map or go to Google Maps or
Google Earth. The entire set of cataracts are visible from the Canadian
side. From the American side you catch only a glimpse from the sides.

The cheesy part of the Canadian side exists for the benefit of American
tourists because they eat that stuff up. Having been a resident of the
area I can tell you that the locals don't go there. Since my job had me
working around the falls a lot and because I do a lot of bicycling in
the area I can tell you that the cheesy tourist crap is just a couple
blocks, but that there is a lot of other stuff that is a lot nicer and a
lot more interesting.

FWIW, I wish I had had my camera last week when out kayak club paddle
was in the Niagara River around Navy Island, about 2 miles upstream
from the falls. There is a world of difference between the American
side and the Canadian side. The Canadian side has a parkway that runs
all the way from Fort Erie to Niagara Falls. There are parks, gardens,
trees, nice houses. The American side is an industrial zone.

> And it has the cool thing where you go down the elevator
> and can walk under the falls. I really liked doing that. And there is
> a state park where where you watch the whirlpools downstream, which
> kinda freaked me out. I'm afraid of heights and the whirlpools just
> kept forming over and over, over the cliff. With tons and tons of water
> just going past, and the rapids.

You should try kayaking through that. I did it for the first time last
year, and I was surprised at how large those whirlpools are, and how
they move around. It was pretty scary. There is a hell of a current.
It took us almost three hours to paddle from Niagara on the Lake to
Queenston. It took less than an hour to get back.

>
> Anyone been there lately? I want to take my former wife... Someday,
> if not this year.

Can't help you with the ex wife problem, but I am over there are least
one a month. My all time favourite bicyling trail is from Niagara Falls
to Niagara on the Lake. I try to do it once a month.

On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 15:50:37 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:
snip
>I usually buy certain perishables 20 miles from home, like giant sized
>bags of frozen vegetables because it's a good sale, but I bring
>insulated bags with freezer packs in them. But most ordinary
>perishables like milk, eggs, butter and the like are the same price
>regardless where so I buy those close to home, like a five minute
>drive. I buy most meats in town, 4 miles and never any traffic. Also
>where I live for half the year the temperature is around freezing or
>lower so in winter I don't worry so much about perishables getting
>warm, it's more about keeping things from becoming frozen solid so I'm
>not going to stop off on the way home or everything in the car will
>freeze solid in 20 minutes, frozen produce is not so good.

I just don't like running out to shop. Once I'm in a store, I figure
that every extra trip I make to buy something at a different store
just adds to the cost of the item. It is just better to one-stop
shop. It's cold/freezing here too in the winter.
Janet US

On Monday, July 14, 2014 11:17:14 AM UTC-10, Gus Overton wrote:
> "janet" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> > Get a life.
>
>
>
> I liked that show.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d7eBo_7i8I

Me too. The show was so surreal that it was almost as if the series was just a dream. It's only within the last few years since we've seen those shows again.

On 7/14/2014 4:29 PM, Janet Bostwick wrote:
> I just don't like running out to shop. Once I'm in a store, I figure
> that every extra trip I make to buy something at a different store
> just adds to the cost of the item. It is just better to one-stop
> shop. It's cold/freezing here too in the winter.
> Janet US

We are what I call "opportunistic shoppers"... we try to grocery shop
when we are already out doing other things.

Yesterday we went to the movie (Dawn of the Planet of the Apes) and a
late lunch (http://pappasbbq.com/location/?id=82). The restaurant is
close to a Kroger, so we looked at the list of tings we needed that are
a good deal at Kroger's and stopped there after lunch.

Tomorrow there is a Dr. appointment in a nearby town, so when we are
done there, we will go to a nearby PetSmart to pick up something we need
for the cats, then have lunch (don't know where yet) and stop at an HEB
that is on the way home. HEB has pork ribs on sale for $1.47 so we'll
pick up a couple for the freezer and some other odds and ends that may
be on sale at HEB.

We seldom just go "grocery" shopping but combine errands/trips to use
fuel and time more efficiently.

George L

PS - the Sunday Special at Pappas BBQ was AYCE Ribs and 2 sides for
$9.99 I had that, Becca had the chopped beef sandwich and fries. This
is my favorite BBQ joint.

On 2014-07-14 5:44 PM, George Leppla wrote:
>
> We are what I call "opportunistic shoppers"... we try to grocery shop
> when we are already out doing other things.
>
> Yesterday we went to the movie (Dawn of the Planet of the Apes) and a
> late lunch (http://pappasbbq.com/location/?id=82). The restaurant is
> close to a Kroger, so we looked at the list of tings we needed that are
> a good deal at Kroger's and stopped there after lunch.
>
> Tomorrow there is a Dr. appointment in a nearby town, so when we are
> done there, we will go to a nearby PetSmart to pick up something we need
> for the cats, then have lunch (don't know where yet) and stop at an HEB
> that is on the way home. HEB has pork ribs on sale for $1.47 so we'll
> pick up a couple for the freezer and some other odds and ends that may
> be on sale at HEB.
>
> We seldom just go "grocery" shopping but combine errands/trips to use
> fuel and time more efficiently.
>

I sort of got into the habit of Friday shopping because I used to stop
at the grocery store on the way home from work, pick up fresh salmon,
salad fixings, fresh Italian bread and a bottle of wine. That gave us
nice fresh fish for our Friday night supper.... nothing religious about
it. When I was working shifts I still did the shopping on Fridays so my
wife would not have to.

The Friday shopping became part of my routine, but I combine it with
other trips. My wife seems to be more hung up on the Friday thing that I
am and I would just as well wait until we start running out of things.
Let the fridge get emptied a bit before we have to worry about finding
room for things.



> George L
>
> PS - the Sunday Special at Pappas BBQ was AYCE Ribs and 2 sides for
> $9.99 I had that, Becca had the chopped beef sandwich and fries. This
> is my favorite BBQ joint.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2014-07-14 5:13 PM, Gus! wrote:
>> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> I walked through the Niagara Falls casino once. A group wanted to go
>>> and spend some time there. One of the women in the group came with
>>> me
>>> for a walk. We had to go through the casino. I don't think that I
>>> have
>>> ever seen a more depressed looking bunch of people that those at the
>>> slots.
>>
>>
>> I had this same experience. Why go to the Falls and go to a casino??
>> At
>> the time, my sister was into gambling and went.
>>
>> I hear you have to have a passport to get to the cheesy Canadian side
>> now. When I was there about 10 years ago, the American side was not
>> built up much.
>
> The American side still isn't built up much. There really isn't much
> to see from the American side. Look at a map or go to Google Maps or
> Google Earth. The entire set of cataracts are visible from the
> Canadian side. From the American side you catch only a glimpse from
> the sides.
>
> The cheesy part of the Canadian side exists for the benefit of
> American tourists because they eat that stuff up. Having been a
> resident of the area I can tell you that the locals don't go there.
> Since my job had me working around the falls a lot and because I do a
> lot of bicycling in the area I can tell you that the cheesy tourist
> crap is just a couple blocks, but that there is a lot of other stuff
> that is a lot nicer and a lot more interesting.
>
> FWIW, I wish I had had my camera last week when out kayak club paddle
> was in the Niagara River around Navy Island, about 2 miles upstream
> from the falls. There is a world of difference between the American
> side and the Canadian side. The Canadian side has a parkway that runs
> all the way from Fort Erie to Niagara Falls. There are parks, gardens,
> trees, nice houses. The American side is an industrial zone.
>
>> And it has the cool thing where you go down the elevator
>> and can walk under the falls. I really liked doing that. And there
>> is
>> a state park where where you watch the whirlpools downstream, which
>> kinda freaked me out. I'm afraid of heights and the whirlpools just
>> kept forming over and over, over the cliff. With tons and tons of
>> water
>> just going past, and the rapids.
>
> You should try kayaking through that. I did it for the first time
> last year, and I was surprised at how large those whirlpools are, and
> how they move around. It was pretty scary. There is a hell of a
> current. It took us almost three hours to paddle from Niagara on the
> Lake to Queenston. It took less than an hour to get back.
>
>>
>> Anyone been there lately? I want to take my former wife...
>> Someday,
>> if not this year.
>
> Can't help you with the ex wife problem, but I am over there are least
> one a month. My all time favourite bicyling trail is from Niagara
> Falls to Niagara on the Lake. I try to do it once a month.

I'm not a strong swimmer so would probably get sucked in the whirlpool
and die. People really kayak that?? Have you seen the show
Wonderfalls? It's out on DVD. Cute show... watched with the ex
recently. Ex is not a problem... You kayaked rough the whirlpools?
Are you nuts? Have you also gone over the falls after drinking a fifth
of vodka like that guy few years ago?

Wonderfalls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d7eBo_7i8I

The American side was scary. It was like driving through Detroit, the
bad part of Detroit. I drove up with my nephew and it was eerie... We
ate at Mexican restaurant on that side and some kid came roller-skating
past. He had just one skate... I went to park and some guy yelled at
me saying I would get towed where I was parking. I was afraid he was
going to slash my tires because I didn't park in his lot and pay him
$10.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/13/2014 12:59 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> I was surprised to see that there is frozen macaroni and cheese. Sorry,
>> but that it too easy to make, and it requires some good cheese to make
>> it special, not salt and chemicals.
>
> My mom used to buy Stouffer's frozen mac & cheese. She hated to cook so
> it was fine for just her and Dad. Stouffer's mac & cheese tastes pretty
> good.
>
> Jill

My friend loved the stuff. She told me how good it was so I tried it. Too
mushy. But then, my friend wore dentures so...

"Gus!" > wrote in message
...

>> I don't know about the pretzel place, but Gettysburg was great. I would
>> gladly go back.
>
Gettysburg made me very uncomfortable. Too much of a feel of death to that
placve.
>
> The Amish place got weird... when I went there 20 years ago, it was a
> dirt road. Now it's paved and it's surrounded by a suburb and the houses
> all had dishes.

Never been to an Amish place.
>
> The pretzel place, highly recommended.

There are pretzels all over PA.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 09:22:13 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2014-07-14 9:17 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>> > On 7/14/2014 8:45 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> >
>> >> We were returning home from vacation down around Virginia and had
>> >> stopped at Gettysburg along the way. Just before we got to the PA NY
>> >> border there was a fireworks store we stopped at. There was security
>> >> fencing topped with concertina wire all around it. It was inside PA
>> >> but
>> >> PA residents were not allowed to buy anything. You had to show ID to
>> >> get
>> >> it.
>> >
>> > I know that place, I've seen it on tv. It's too dangerous for
>> > their own residents, but hey, sell to anyone else.
>> >
>> It is sort of like the casino business. We know they are bad for people
>> and don't want our citizens to have their lives ruined by gambling, so
>> we allow them to be built in border cities and attract gamblers from the
>> neighbouring states and provinces. That works well until the neighbours
>> realize how much they are missing out on and build their own.
>
> Trump's casino in Atlantic City is performing so badly, it's going to
> be closed soon. It couldn't happen to a more deserving guy.

I was there once. Was amazed at how different the casinos are there. If
you want a drink, you go downstairs to the bar and pay a fortune for it.
Not like the ones here or in Nevada where they bring you drinks for free.

On 2014-07-14 6:02 PM, Gus! wrote:
> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 2014-07-14 5:13 PM, Gus! wrote:
>>> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> I walked through the Niagara Falls casino once. A group wanted to go
>>>> and spend some time there. One of the women in the group came with me
>>>> for a walk. We had to go through the casino. I don't think that I have
>>>> ever seen a more depressed looking bunch of people that those at the
>>>> slots.
>>>
>>>
>>> I had this same experience. Why go to the Falls and go to a casino?? At
>>> the time, my sister was into gambling and went.
>>>
>>> I hear you have to have a passport to get to the cheesy Canadian side
>>> now. When I was there about 10 years ago, the American side was not
>>> built up much.
>>
>> The American side still isn't built up much. There really isn't much
>> to see from the American side. Look at a map or go to Google Maps or
>> Google Earth. The entire set of cataracts are visible from the
>> Canadian side. From the American side you catch only a glimpse from
>> the sides.
>>
>> The cheesy part of the Canadian side exists for the benefit of
>> American tourists because they eat that stuff up. Having been a
>> resident of the area I can tell you that the locals don't go there.
>> Since my job had me working around the falls a lot and because I do a
>> lot of bicycling in the area I can tell you that the cheesy tourist
>> crap is just a couple blocks, but that there is a lot of other stuff
>> that is a lot nicer and a lot more interesting.
>>
>> FWIW, I wish I had had my camera last week when out kayak club paddle
>> was in the Niagara River around Navy Island, about 2 miles upstream
>> from the falls. There is a world of difference between the American
>> side and the Canadian side. The Canadian side has a parkway that runs
>> all the way from Fort Erie to Niagara Falls. There are parks, gardens,
>> trees, nice houses. The American side is an industrial zone.
>>
>>> And it has the cool thing where you go down the elevator
>>> and can walk under the falls. I really liked doing that. And there is
>>> a state park where where you watch the whirlpools downstream, which
>>> kinda freaked me out. I'm afraid of heights and the whirlpools just
>>> kept forming over and over, over the cliff. With tons and tons of water
>>> just going past, and the rapids.
>>
>> You should try kayaking through that. I did it for the first time
>> last year, and I was surprised at how large those whirlpools are, and
>> how they move around. It was pretty scary. There is a hell of a
>> current. It took us almost three hours to paddle from Niagara on the
>> Lake to Queenston. It took less than an hour to get back.
>>
>>>
>>> Anyone been there lately? I want to take my former wife... Someday,
>>> if not this year.
>>
>> Can't help you with the ex wife problem, but I am over there are least
>> one a month. My all time favourite bicyling trail is from Niagara
>> Falls to Niagara on the Lake. I try to do it once a month.
>
> I'm not a strong swimmer so would probably get sucked in the whirlpool
> and die. People really kayak that?? Have you seen the show
> Wonderfalls? It's out on DVD. Cute show... watched with the ex
> recently. Ex is not a problem... You kayaked rough the whirlpools? Are
> you nuts? Have you also gone over the falls after drinking a fifth of
> vodka like that guy few years ago?


We kayaked up to Queenston. There are huge eddies out in the middle of
the river. They move around and new eddies appear. I avoided them, but
it is a little scary when you are paddling around one and another starts
up and moves toward the other one.

I would not think of trying to go over the falls, but back in 1969 when
the US Army Corps of Engineers shut off the water to the falls a bunch
of us went over, bought some champagne and sat at the brink of the dry
falls and drank the champagne.
>
> The American side was scary. It was like driving through Detroit, the
> bad part of Detroit. I drove up with my nephew and it was eerie... We
> ate at Mexican restaurant on that side and some kid came roller-skating
> past. He had just one skate... I went to park and some guy yelled at
> me saying I would get towed where I was parking. I was afraid he was
> going to slash my tires because I didn't park in his lot and pay him $10.
>

The US side is scary. When I was a teen the drinking age here was 21. It
was only 18 in NY and there were numerous in NF NY that didn't worry
about drinking ages. I was served there when I was 15. There were
dozens of bars that catered to Ontario teens. Then the drinking age in
Ontario dropped to 18. A whole section of Niagara Falls NY went bust.

Later on the NY drinking age went up to 21 and the cross border drinking
traffic reversed. It has since gone up to 19 here but it is still 21 in NY.

In article >, says...
>
> On 2014-07-14 4:52 PM, janet wrote:
> > In article >, says...
> >>> She wrote them down in the order they ran out, or occurred to her.
> >>
> >> Considering she had written the list within minutes before handing it to
> >> me I would suggest that is not the case at all. She wrote them down as
> >> she thought about them.
> >
> > which is what is meant by "in the order... they occurred to her"
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Any married man should be able to take a random list, draw up a simple spread
> >>> sheet and print it out, colour coded onto a map of any local supermarket layout.
> >>>
> >>> Or is that too much trouble? :-)
> >>>
> >> Yes. It is too much trouble. It is a shopping list, not a detailed set
> >> of procedures for a scientific experiment.
> >
> > Oh, I thought you needed more instructions because you were having trouble.
> >
> All I ask is that if I am handed a shopping list there should be a
> couple seconds thought behind it so that items are lumped together into
> the aisles or departments in which they will be found. That would be
> much easier than following a list that will have be going back and forth
> across the store.

It would never occur to me to go back and forth across the store to follow a
shopping list in the order it was written. Just take listed items from the shelf as
you walk your usual route. It only takes a couple of seconds thought.

Janet UK

On 2014-07-14 6:17 PM, janet wrote:

>> All I ask is that if I am handed a shopping list there should be a
>> couple seconds thought behind it so that items are lumped together into
>> the aisles or departments in which they will be found. That would be
>> much easier than following a list that will have be going back and forth
>> across the store.
>
> It would never occur to me to go back and forth across the store to follow a
> shopping list in the order it was written. Just take listed items from the shelf as
> you walk your usual route. It only takes a couple of seconds thought.
>


Yep. That is why, when I write the list, I take a couple seconds to
write the items in that order.

On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 17:13:41 -0400, "Gus!" >
wrote:

> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I walked through the Niagara Falls casino once. A group wanted to go
> > and spend some time there. One of the women in the group came with me
> > for a walk. We had to go through the casino. I don't think that I have
> > ever seen a more depressed looking bunch of people that those at the
> > slots.
>
>
> I had this same experience. Why go to the Falls and go to a casino??
> At the time, my sister was into gambling and went.
>
> I hear you have to have a passport to get to the cheesy Canadian side
> now. When I was there about 10 years ago, the American side was not
> built up much. And it has the cool thing where you go down the elevator
> and can walk under the falls. I really liked doing that. And there is
> a state park where where you watch the whirlpools downstream, which
> kinda freaked me out. I'm afraid of heights and the whirlpools just
> kept forming over and over, over the cliff. With tons and tons of water
> just going past, and the rapids.
>
> Anyone been there lately? I want to take my former wife... Someday,
> if not this year.

We were there a couple of years ago. Not the first time, but the
first time we spent the night - as a result of spending more time
there, I understand what you mean by the "cheesy" part. Apparently we
didn't look around enough to find a casino. That is news to me, but
we didn't go to that area above the cliff where the big hotels are.

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On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 17:26:04 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> The Canadian side has a parkway that runs
> all the way from Fort Erie to Niagara Falls. There are parks, gardens,
> trees, nice houses. The American side is an industrial zone.

It's like the stark difference between the American and Canadian side
from Lake Champlain up to Montreal. The American side was lush, green
and forested. The Canadian side was basically a barren wasteland.

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On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 18:16:18 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> The US side is scary.

Boy, that's weird. I didn't feel that way at all.

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On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 15:14:08 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Trump's casino in Atlantic City is performing so badly, it's going to
> > be closed soon. It couldn't happen to a more deserving guy.
>
> I was there once. Was amazed at how different the casinos are there. If
> you want a drink, you go downstairs to the bar and pay a fortune for it.
> Not like the ones here or in Nevada where they bring you drinks for free.

I've always wanted to go to Atlantic City and experience the
Boardwalk... but I guess gambling and those casinos have ruined
everything now.

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"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...

> I would not think of trying to go over the falls, but back in 1969
> when the US Army Corps of Engineers shut off the water to the falls a
> bunch of us went over, bought some champagne and sat at the brink of
> the dry falls and drank the champagne.

I was there when they were the American side was shut off... Weird.
Just bunch of rock. Was lots of flotsam and jetsam at the bottom

On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 17:03:58 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> All I ask is that if I am handed a shopping list there should be a
> couple seconds thought behind it so that items are lumped together into
> the aisles or departments in which they will be found. That would be
> much easier than following a list that will have be going back and forth
> across the store.
>

All she wants is everything on the list - reorganizing it is up to
you.

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On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 23:17:13 +0100, janet > wrote:

> It would never occur to me to go back and forth across the store to follow a
> shopping list in the order it was written. Just take listed items from the shelf as
> you walk your usual route. It only takes a couple of seconds thought.

+1

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On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 18:19:09 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 2014-07-14 6:17 PM, janet wrote:
>
> >> All I ask is that if I am handed a shopping list there should be a
> >> couple seconds thought behind it so that items are lumped together into
> >> the aisles or departments in which they will be found. That would be
> >> much easier than following a list that will have be going back and forth
> >> across the store.
> >
> > It would never occur to me to go back and forth across the store to follow a
> > shopping list in the order it was written. Just take listed items from the shelf as
> > you walk your usual route. It only takes a couple of seconds thought.
> >
>
>
> Yep. That is why, when I write the list, I take a couple seconds to
> write the items in that order.

Reorganize it to your heart's desire, but don't expect her to do it
for you.

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"sf" > wrote in message
...

> We were there a couple of years ago.

I love the Falls.... It's hypnotic. All that water, just going and
going over the cliff... Just keeps going, where does all the water
come from?

On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 21:57:46 +0100, janet > wrote:

> In article >, says...
>
> > I try to make lists for each store I am going to. I like to do them on the
> > computer unless they are very small lists. I list each store and then try
> > to put things on the list in the order in which they appear in the store.
> > Of course if the store decides to move things around, this doesn't work.
>
> Get a life.
>
Out of Milk allows me to make separate lists. I don't need them to go
aisle by aisle, but there might be a way to do it. I haven't cared
enough to look.

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On 7/14/2014 6:54 PM, sf wrote:

> I've always wanted to go to Atlantic City and experience the
> Boardwalk... but I guess gambling and those casinos have ruined
> everything now.
>
Why?

nancy

On 2014-07-14 6:43 PM, sf wrote:

>> Anyone been there lately? I want to take my former wife... Someday,
>> if not this year.
>
> We were there a couple of years ago. Not the first time, but the
> first time we spent the night - as a result of spending more time
> there, I understand what you mean by the "cheesy" part. Apparently we
> didn't look around enough to find a casino. That is news to me, but
> we didn't go to that area above the cliff where the big hotels are.
>

Are you serious? There is a nice park by the falls. About a quarter mile
from there is a road that heads up the hill. It is one block. Then you
get to the top of the hill and there is more tourist traps for about a
block each way. The casino and major hotels are a block or two from
there. That is the cheesy part. The rest of the parkway is beautiful.
The tourists just can't seem to tear themselves away from the tourist
traps. Then they complain that it is just cheesy tourist traps.

On 2014-07-14 6:59 PM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 18:19:09 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2014-07-14 6:17 PM, janet wrote:
>>
>>>> All I ask is that if I am handed a shopping list there should be a
>>>> couple seconds thought behind it so that items are lumped together into
>>>> the aisles or departments in which they will be found. That would be
>>>> much easier than following a list that will have be going back and forth
>>>> across the store.
>>>
>>> It would never occur to me to go back and forth across the store to follow a
>>> shopping list in the order it was written. Just take listed items from the shelf as
>>> you walk your usual route. It only takes a couple of seconds thought.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Yep. That is why, when I write the list, I take a couple seconds to
>> write the items in that order.
>
> Reorganize it to your heart's desire, but don't expect her to do it
> for you.
>


Well, we have survived more than 40 years together. She is blonde and
Dutch, so I know things are not going to change. Sometimes she doesn't
get things that he put on her list and if she gets upset with it I point
out the disorder of the list.

On Saturday, July 12, 2014 10:16:02 AM UTC+1, janet wrote:
> In article >,
>
> says...
>
> >
>
> > On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 13:28:16 -0400, S Viemeister
>
> > > wrote:
>
> >
>
> > >On 7/11/2014 9:38 AM, wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > >> You get much better deals in the UK than we do in NA, part of the
>
> > >> reason I have data closed on mine, damned if I will pay for it.
>
> > >>
>
> > >True. I have both UK and US plans, and the UK one is a _much_ better deal.
>
> >
>
> > The problem this side of the pond is that consumers will not rise up
>
> > and demand, if necessary not purchasing, so the corps know they can
>
> > manipulate customers.
>
>
>
> Yet Americans usually see themselves as confident go-getters with the best
>
> services in the world ( and Brits as reserved and subservient, without). It's a
>
> mystery :-}
>
> Janet UK

Not really. In the world of technology, telephony is the one thing we do better than the US. I only know this because I spent a few years working with the computer bods in British Telecom.

Cherry

On 2014-07-14 7:01 PM, Gus! wrote:
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> We were there a couple of years ago.
>
> I love the Falls.... It's hypnotic. All that water, just going and
> going over the cliff... Just keeps going, where does all the water
> come from?
>


It is amazing. I have lived in this area for almost 50 years and see the
falls frequently. For the last 10 years or so that I was working I spent
several months each year working in Niagara Falls and along the parkway.
I never tire of it. That cheesy touristy part.... the locals all avoid
it. The tourists seem to love it.

On 7/14/2014 6:19 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-07-14 6:17 PM, janet wrote:
>
>>> All I ask is that if I am handed a shopping list there should be a
>>> couple seconds thought behind it so that items are lumped together into
>>> the aisles or departments in which they will be found. That would be
>>> much easier than following a list that will have be going back and forth
>>> across the store.
>>
>> It would never occur to me to go back and forth across the store
>> to follow a
>> shopping list in the order it was written. Just take listed items from
>> the shelf as
>> you walk your usual route. It only takes a couple of seconds thought.
>>
>
>
> Yep. That is why, when I write the list, I take a couple seconds to
> write the items in that order.
>
You could always take a couple of seconds to *re-write* her list with
items grouped together.

Jill

On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 18:56:52 -0400, "Gus!" >
wrote:

> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > I would not think of trying to go over the falls, but back in 1969
> > when the US Army Corps of Engineers shut off the water to the falls a
> > bunch of us went over, bought some champagne and sat at the brink of
> > the dry falls and drank the champagne.
>
> I was there when they were the American side was shut off... Weird.
> Just bunch of rock. Was lots of flotsam and jetsam at the bottom
>
Yes, that would have been weird - I would love to see something like
that though. How many times does it happen?

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"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2014-07-14 7:01 PM, Gus! wrote:
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> We were there a couple of years ago.
>>
>> I love the Falls.... It's hypnotic. All that water, just going and
>> going over the cliff... Just keeps going, where does all the water
>> come from?
>
> It is amazing. I have lived in this area for almost 50 years and see
> the falls frequently. For the last 10 years or so that I was working I
> spent several months each year working in Niagara Falls and along the
> parkway. I never tire of it. That cheesy touristy part.... the locals
> all avoid it. The tourists seem to love it.

Are there any decent hotels on the American side? Somewhere nice I can
take my former ex, current gf? I don't remember any hotels on the
American side.

I grew up three miles from Presque Isle near Lake Erie... I'm used to
having beauty near me... I used to love to watch the sun set over the
waves... There is something soothing about water.