On 2014-07-08 12:55 PM, wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 3:10:03 AM UTC-7, wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 07 Jul 2014 20:03:13 -0400, Dave Smith
>>
>> > wrote:
>>
>
>>> My father spent a few years in the UK during the war. Judging by the
>>> photos of him from the war years he was pretty slim. He lost a lot of
>>> weight during the week or so that he was in Denmark after being shot
>>> down and had to walk across Sjaelland from Korsor to Copenhagen. He
>>> eventually made contact with Resistance and was smuggled over to Sweden
>>> where he spent a couple weeks. He had a lot more and much better food
>>> there that he had been getting in England. Their special meal before
>>> heading out on bombing operations was eggs and chips.
>
> My first trip overseas was to Ireland. The dollar was being pounded, and
> we were trying to save money. One restaurant we ate at featured
> egg and chips, notably egg peas and chips.

I am assuming that you regarded it as a budget meal. In my father's case
it was the special send off meal, perhaps a last meal. It was the last
meal for the other 7 members of his crew, and it was the last real meal
he had for the next week.

> I ordered a hamburger, peas, and chips, but to my surprise the hamburger
> was a bunless patty.

Ouch. That is like the surprise I had in a tourist town in Germany where
I ordered Jagerschnitzel and got a hamburger patty and gravy with
mushrooms on top.


> The current consensus is not that we eat too much but that we move too
> little.


Some people should try getting some exercise by pushing themselves away
from the table.

On Tue, 08 Jul 2014 10:12:41 -0500, Moe DeLoughan >
wrote:

>On 7/8/2014 4:10 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 7/7/2014 11:20 PM, wrote:
>>> On Monday, July 7, 2014 10:03:17 PM UTC-5, Terrence Crimmins wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The best way to lose weight is to become young again, when you
>>>> would eat like a pig and not gain a pound. It's tough to do, though.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Being young has absolutely nothing to do with ones size. I see
>>> PLENTY of young people, all under the age of 20, terribly, terribly
>>> obese. Even though your comment was meant to be taken with a grain
>>> of salt, it's simply not true.
>>>
>> It's not a simple issue. But I see more overweight young people
>> (teens and 20-somethings) than I used to. I guess they're eating a
>> lot of junk. That's why there are all these diet fads and alleged
>> miracle pills.
>
>Well, what would anyone expect from a feedlot diet? We feed cattle and
>pigs lots of corn to fatten them up. We've moved to a corn-based diet
>for ourselves, too.
>
>Plus: plastics. Chemicals found in plastics mimic human hormones.
>They've found links between chemical ingestion and obesity. Worse of
>all, the diet advice we've been given over the past half-century or so
>has been hideously, dangerously, wrong. We decided red meat was bad
>and encouraged people to eat more grains - but protein is the most
>satiating food, and grains are fattening agents. We replaced animal
>fats with hydrogenated fats, which are far unhealthier than animal
>fats. We marketed 'fat-free' foods whose fat content was replaced by
>sugars. But eating fat satisfies one's sense of hunger, where eating
>sugar exacerbates it. We switched to low-fat milk, getting rid of the
>good fat that makes you feel full, but leaving in all the milk sugar
>that's bad for you. We advised people to eat many small meals a day in
>order to stave off hunger pangs, but constant eating keeps your liver
>busy producing enzymes digesting the food you just ate, not leaving it
>any time to produce enzymes to break down stored body fat.
>
>Overeating is part of it, but it's not all of it. If it were, it would
>be simple to lose weight and simpler yet to keep it off.

Searching for all sorts of oddball excuses is not the answer... the
one element missing from your formula is activity/exercise. Young
people are obese due to inactivity, nowadays all they exercise are
their fingers... there's no way anyone can maintain a healthful weight
while consuming calories at a keyboard... and these days older people
think retirement means staying inert. Dieting can't work with
inactivity. And a healthful weight is a ratio of flesh to muscle
tone... lots of folks go only by what the scale says, but they are
still overweight when they haven't any muscle tone... their weight may
match those idiotic charts but they are still a blob of blubber... if
what one does most days is sit on their sofa reading a book and
sucking up wine, even if their weight is in accord with those idiotic
charts they are still a blob of blubber.

For some going to a gym works but for me structured exercise bores me
to tears, but I can work at outdoor chores all day and most days I do.
And I enjoy food and I eat whatever I want and as much as I want and
still my weight hasn't varied much since high school... I weigh about
20 pounds more but I'm also more muscular now, I'm a hair under 6' and
I weigh 185 pounds. Today I spent five hours working in my garden,
mostly weeding and tilling a new planting bed for my chard seedlings.
when I came in I could literally wring out my clothes... I showered
and all I wanted was that watermelon I had in the fridge, one of those
basketball sized seedless ones, I ate half and was satisfied. I
already have dinner started, a potato and red pepper omelet. Living
here I'm never at a loss for chores, just not enough hours in the day.
Tomorrow being Wednesday, weather permitting it's mowing day... mowing
ten acres of lawn is a full days labor. And I always have brush to
clear, George W has nothing on me. Hacking at brush is a wonderful
stress reliever... after spending a day in a hedgerow with a pole saw
and loppers all I want for dinner is a huge salad, and at night I
sleep like a baby kitten. It's not how many calories one consumes,
it's what kind of calories and how many calories one expends. Most
all my coworkers retired to a condo, mostly all they did is look out a
window, they are all deseased, all enjoyed less then two years of
retirement. I retired 11 years ago, I'm 71 and I feel fine... I could
die in my sleep tonight (I'm sure many here would rejoice) but I could
also live many more years while annoying yoose pinheads.

"Moe DeLoughan" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/7/2014 8:08 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>
>>
>> The best way to lose weight, IMHO, is to push back from the table.
>> Eat what you want, but in moderation. Let the food settle; you won't
>> feel hungry. Really. It works.
>
> That's how it works for you and a great many other people, but
> unfortunately it isn't quite that simple for others. Some of us have
> brains that for some reason send the "I'm hungry" signal far more
> frequently and in a much louder fashion. It is extremely hard not to eat
> when your body is constantly nagging for food. Hell, it's hard to focus on
> anything else when you are feeling so hungry that all you can think of is
> food. The longer it goes on, the more difficult it is to resist the urge
> to give in and eat (more), and that's why over 90% of diets fail. This is
> well known to researchers in obesity and they have been trying to find
> what causes this signal and what might be done to normalize it.
>
> For some reason this is the first time in my life that I have not been
> plagued with constant hunger nags. I don't know why it is different now -
> maybe hormonal changes with aging, or maybe certain foods I've cut way
> back on (bread, potatoes, pasta) had been triggering that urge. At any
> rate, for the first time in my life I know what normal hunger pangs are,
> instead of being plagued with my body incessantly nagging me to eat. I am
> finally like you - able to eat, let it settle, not think about food or
> feel hungry for hours afterward. As a result, the pounds are indeed coming
> off with very little trouble or trauma. If I'd been like this for most of
> my life, it would have been much easier to manage my weight.

I used to have the constant hunger too. I think it was because when I was
young, I had to eat insane amounts of food just to maintain what little
weight that I had on me. I was severely underweight.

My metabolism slowed when I reached adult height but the hunger remained.

Now I am not often hungry. And if I do feel hunger once in a day, that's
it. I won't want to eat for the rest of the day but I have to or I'll have
blood sugar issues. Plus it's a constant struggle to take in enough to make
it be a balanced diet.

"Janet" > wrote in message
t...
> In article >, says...
>>
>> "Tara" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > http://www.theawl.com/2011/11/mock-g...es-of-the-war-
>> > rations-diet
>> >
>> > http://tinyurl.com/l5qn9ux
>> >
>> > http://1940sexperiment.wordpress.com/
>> >
>> > "There is a website, called The 1940s Experiment, whose proprietor,
>> > Carolyn Ekins, who was born and raised in the UK but now lives in
>> > Canada,
>> > is attempting to lose a hundred pounds by following a wartime rations
>> > diet, specifically made up of the foods eaten by the British public
>> > during World War II. "
>> >
>> > Tara
>>
>> Yes. I have seen that. I have a British cookbook of that era and I have
>> made several dishes from it. Not sure how such a diet would help with
>> weight loss though
>
> Fat, sugar, meat and dairy were all strictly rationed, a fixed amount
> per person per week. Vegetables were not rationed.

Yes. But eating some of those things isn't going to hurt in the weight
department.

In article >, says...
>
> "Janet" > wrote in message
> t...
> > In article >, says...
> >>
> >> "Tara" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > http://www.theawl.com/2011/11/mock-g...es-of-the-war-
> >> > rations-diet
> >> >
> >> > http://tinyurl.com/l5qn9ux
> >> >
> >> > http://1940sexperiment.wordpress.com/
> >> >
> >> > "There is a website, called The 1940s Experiment, whose proprietor,
> >> > Carolyn Ekins, who was born and raised in the UK but now lives in
> >> > Canada,
> >> > is attempting to lose a hundred pounds by following a wartime rations
> >> > diet, specifically made up of the foods eaten by the British public
> >> > during World War II. "
> >> >
> >> > Tara
> >>
> >> Yes. I have seen that. I have a British cookbook of that era and I have
> >> made several dishes from it. Not sure how such a diet would help with
> >> weight loss though
> >
> > Fat, sugar, meat and dairy were all strictly rationed, a fixed amount
> > per person per week. Vegetables were not rationed.
>
> Yes. But eating some of those things isn't going to hurt in the weight
> department.

Try looking up " strictly rationed" in the Big Dictionary for
Beginner Writers.

Janet.

On 7/8/2014 12:39 PM, Janet wrote:
> In article >, says...
>>
>> "Tara" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> http://www.theawl.com/2011/11/mock-g...es-of-the-war-
>>> rations-diet
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/l5qn9ux
>>>
>>> http://1940sexperiment.wordpress.com/
>>>
>>> "There is a website, called The 1940s Experiment, whose proprietor,
>>> Carolyn Ekins, who was born and raised in the UK but now lives in Canada,
>>> is attempting to lose a hundred pounds by following a wartime rations
>>> diet, specifically made up of the foods eaten by the British public
>>> during World War II. "
>>>
>>> Tara
>>
>> Yes. I have seen that. I have a British cookbook of that era and I have
>> made several dishes from it. Not sure how such a diet would help with
>> weight loss though
>
> Fat, sugar, meat and dairy were all strictly rationed, a fixed amount
> per person per week. Vegetables were not rationed.
>
> Janet
>
Didn't lots of people also plant "victory gardens"?

Jill

On 7/8/2014 3:32 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> Some people should try getting some exercise by pushing themselves away
> from the table.

Careful, Dave! Whenever I suggest something like that I get slammed for it.

Jill

On 7/9/2014 8:03 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>
> Didn't lots of people also plant "victory gardens"?
>
My Grandfather raised rabbits in the back garden, and had an allotment
for vegetables. He also brought home the occasional lump of venison.

On 7/9/2014 8:40 AM, wrote:
>
> Yes some of the parks even turned over the grass into veggie beds 'dig
> for victory!' signs were plentiful. Kids also had lots jingles, I
> still remember
>
> Whistle while you work
> Hitler is a twerp
> Goerings barmy
> So's his army
> Whistle while you work.
>
I know a slightly different version of that jingle:

Whistle while you work
Hitler is a jerk
Mussolini bit his weenie
Now it will not squirt.

My mother must have taught me that one... I wasn't even a twinkle in
someone's eye in the 1940's.

The things my mom told me about WWII included rationing of silk (needed
for parachutes) so they couldn't buy stockings. She said they used "leg
makeup" (which stained their dresses terribly). They drew seams up the
back of their legs using eyeliner pencil. I think I'd have just gone
without the stockings.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
>
> I
> cringe when I see ads for places with endless buffets (Golden Corral or
> Old Country Buffet comes to mind). Too many people seem to take the
> "all you can eat" thing to heart. They load up several plates for one
> person. Then go back for seconds. Sheesh.

Oh yeah! I sure do! I love those buffet places and I will eat great
food until I'm almost sick. Luckily, I only go to one about every 2
years or so.

Ophelia wrote:
>
> I was a Museum Curator and I used to make wartime
> recipes with oldies and they loved it) It brought back a lot of memories
> and they contributed too)

That's pretty darn cool, Ophy! :-D

G.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> I was a Museum Curator and I used to make wartime
>> recipes with oldies and they loved it) It brought back a lot of
>> memories
>> and they contributed too)
>
> That's pretty darn cool, Ophy! :-D

Is it??? heh they enjoyed it anyway

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

In article >,
says...
>
> On 7/8/2014 12:39 PM, Janet wrote:
> > In article >, says...
> >>
> >> "Tara" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> http://www.theawl.com/2011/11/mock-g...es-of-the-war-
> >>> rations-diet
> >>>
> >>> http://tinyurl.com/l5qn9ux
> >>>
> >>> http://1940sexperiment.wordpress.com/
> >>>
> >>> "There is a website, called The 1940s Experiment, whose proprietor,
> >>> Carolyn Ekins, who was born and raised in the UK but now lives in Canada,
> >>> is attempting to lose a hundred pounds by following a wartime rations
> >>> diet, specifically made up of the foods eaten by the British public
> >>> during World War II. "
> >>>
> >>> Tara
> >>
> >> Yes. I have seen that. I have a British cookbook of that era and I have
> >> made several dishes from it. Not sure how such a diet would help with
> >> weight loss though
> >
> > Fat, sugar, meat and dairy were all strictly rationed, a fixed amount
> > per person per week. Vegetables were not rationed.
> >
> > Janet
> >
> Didn't lots of people also plant "victory gardens"?

That's the US term; Brits called it "Digging for Victory" :-)

http://www.homesweethomefront.co.uk/..._victory_pg.ht
m


Janet UK

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "jmcquown" wrote:
> > I still say (and always will say) eat what you like in *moderation*. I
> > cringe when I see ads for places with endless buffets (Golden Corral or
> > Old Country Buffet comes to mind). Too many people seem to take the "all
> > you can eat" thing to heart. They load up several plates for one person.
> > Then go back for seconds. Sheesh.
>
> I don't get that at all. This is one reason why it puts me off to dine
> there. People are just pigs in there! We always get one salad plate and
> one dinner plate. The plates are small. Once in a while we will go back
> for something. It's usually because we just took a small taste of something
> to see if we like it. We then take a little more. Never a full plate when
> we go back and never dessert.

A buffet is a buffet and it's all you care to eat. That's my rare
nights out and I like to at least sample everything that looks
interesting. I always end up eating way too much and I rarely make it
to the nice looking dessert bars.

I have no food allegies or intollerences. I enjoy all food where ever
I eat. Maybe I'm just lucky. I eat any thing that I want to, just not
a lot of any one thing. Your food situation is inconceivable to me.

It sounds like you eat a lot of junk food too and just suppliment it
with vitamins/pills. Not a good way to go.

G.

In article >,
says...
>
> On 7/9/2014 8:03 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> >>
> > Didn't lots of people also plant "victory gardens"?
> >
> My Grandfather raised rabbits in the back garden, and had an allotment
> for vegetables. He also brought home the occasional lump of venison.

My grandfather lived on the banks of a famous salmon river, worked in
an armaments factory, and brought home hand grenades for night fishing.


His huge and very fertile veg garden was fertilised with the contents
of the bucket lav.

Janet UK

In article >,
says...
>
> On 7/9/2014 8:40 AM, wrote:
> >
> > Yes some of the parks even turned over the grass into veggie beds 'dig
> > for victory!' signs were plentiful. Kids also had lots jingles, I
> > still remember
> >
> > Whistle while you work
> > Hitler is a twerp
> > Goerings barmy
> > So's his army
> > Whistle while you work.
> >
> I know a slightly different version of that jingle:
>
> Whistle while you work
> Hitler is a jerk
> Mussolini bit his weenie
> Now it will not squirt.
>
> My mother must have taught me that one... I wasn't even a twinkle in
> someone's eye in the 1940's.
>
> The things my mom told me about WWII included rationing of silk (needed
> for parachutes) so they couldn't buy stockings. She said they used "leg
> makeup" (which stained their dresses terribly). They drew seams up the
> back of their legs using eyeliner pencil. I think I'd have just gone
> without the stockings.

My mother and her sisters all drew stocking seams up their legs, but
they used gravy browning.


Janet UK.

On 7/9/2014 12:21 PM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> The things my mom told me about WWII included rationing of silk (needed
>> for parachutes) so they couldn't buy stockings. She said they used "leg
>> makeup" (which stained their dresses terribly). They drew seams up the
>> back of their legs using eyeliner pencil. I think I'd have just gone
>> without the stockings.
>
> My mother and her sisters all drew stocking seams up their legs, but
> they used gravy browning.
>
>
> Janet UK.
>
Oh dear! I never knew what the leg makeup was made of but I don't think
it was gravy browning.

Jill

On 09/07/2014 10:21 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On 7/9/2014 8:40 AM, wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes some of the parks even turned over the grass into veggie beds 'dig
>>> for victory!' signs were plentiful. Kids also had lots jingles, I
>>> still remember
>>>
>>> Whistle while you work
>>> Hitler is a twerp
>>> Goerings barmy
>>> So's his army
>>> Whistle while you work.
>>>
>> I know a slightly different version of that jingle:
>>
>> Whistle while you work
>> Hitler is a jerk
>> Mussolini bit his weenie
>> Now it will not squirt.
>>
>> My mother must have taught me that one... I wasn't even a twinkle in
>> someone's eye in the 1940's.
>>
>> The things my mom told me about WWII included rationing of silk (needed
>> for parachutes) so they couldn't buy stockings. She said they used "leg
>> makeup" (which stained their dresses terribly). They drew seams up the
>> back of their legs using eyeliner pencil. I think I'd have just gone
>> without the stockings.
>
> My mother and her sisters all drew stocking seams up their legs, but
> they used gravy browning.
>
>
> Janet UK.
>
These days they'd have 'em tattooed!
Graham

On 2014-07-09 9:37 AM, jmcquown wrote:

>
> The things my mom told me about WWII included rationing of silk (needed
> for parachutes) so they couldn't buy stockings. She said they used "leg
> makeup" (which stained their dresses terribly). They drew seams up the
> back of their legs using eyeliner pencil. I think I'd have just gone
> without the stockings.
>

When my father landed in occupied Denmark he stashed his silk parachute
under some earth and leaves. Someone later found it and made a dress
from it. One of Danes who helped him in his escape gave him some
civilian clothes. Dad's heavy wool flying sweater was deconstructed and
the wool was used to make a number of sweaters for the children.

"Janet" > wrote in message
t...
> In article >, says...
>>
>> "Janet" > wrote in message
>> t...
>> > In article >, says...
>> >>
>> >> "Tara" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > http://www.theawl.com/2011/11/mock-g...es-of-the-war-
>> >> > rations-diet
>> >> >
>> >> > http://tinyurl.com/l5qn9ux
>> >> >
>> >> > http://1940sexperiment.wordpress.com/
>> >> >
>> >> > "There is a website, called The 1940s Experiment, whose proprietor,
>> >> > Carolyn Ekins, who was born and raised in the UK but now lives in
>> >> > Canada,
>> >> > is attempting to lose a hundred pounds by following a wartime
>> >> > rations
>> >> > diet, specifically made up of the foods eaten by the British public
>> >> > during World War II. "
>> >> >
>> >> > Tara
>> >>
>> >> Yes. I have seen that. I have a British cookbook of that era and I
>> >> have
>> >> made several dishes from it. Not sure how such a diet would help with
>> >> weight loss though
>> >
>> > Fat, sugar, meat and dairy were all strictly rationed, a fixed amount
>> > per person per week. Vegetables were not rationed.
>>
>> Yes. But eating some of those things isn't going to hurt in the weight
>> department.
>
> Try looking up " strictly rationed" in the Big Dictionary for
> Beginner Writers.

I know what it means. I had some ration tokens until the box went missing
during our move here. My dad ate food that was rationed. So did my
grandma. Both were overweight.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/8/2014 12:39 PM, Janet wrote:
>> In article >, says...
>>>
>>> "Tara" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> http://www.theawl.com/2011/11/mock-g...es-of-the-war-
>>>> rations-diet
>>>>
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/l5qn9ux
>>>>
>>>> http://1940sexperiment.wordpress.com/
>>>>
>>>> "There is a website, called The 1940s Experiment, whose proprietor,
>>>> Carolyn Ekins, who was born and raised in the UK but now lives in
>>>> Canada,
>>>> is attempting to lose a hundred pounds by following a wartime rations
>>>> diet, specifically made up of the foods eaten by the British public
>>>> during World War II. "
>>>>
>>>> Tara
>>>
>>> Yes. I have seen that. I have a British cookbook of that era and I
>>> have
>>> made several dishes from it. Not sure how such a diet would help with
>>> weight loss though
>>
>> Fat, sugar, meat and dairy were all strictly rationed, a fixed amount
>> per person per week. Vegetables were not rationed.
>>
>> Janet
>>
> Didn't lots of people also plant "victory gardens"?

Yes.

On 7/9/2014 5:09 PM, wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Jul 2014 14:02:14 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 7/8/2014 12:39 PM, Janet wrote:
>>>> In article >, says...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Tara" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> http://www.theawl.com/2011/11/mock-g...es-of-the-war-
>>>>>> rations-diet
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/l5qn9ux
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://1940sexperiment.wordpress.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "There is a website, called The 1940s Experiment, whose proprietor,
>>>>>> Carolyn Ekins, who was born and raised in the UK but now lives in
>>>>>> Canada,
>>>>>> is attempting to lose a hundred pounds by following a wartime rations
>>>>>> diet, specifically made up of the foods eaten by the British public
>>>>>> during World War II. "
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tara
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes. I have seen that. I have a British cookbook of that era and I
>>>>> have
>>>>> made several dishes from it. Not sure how such a diet would help with
>>>>> weight loss though
>>>>
>>>> Fat, sugar, meat and dairy were all strictly rationed, a fixed amount
>>>> per person per week. Vegetables were not rationed.
>>>>
>>>> Janet
>>>>
>>> Didn't lots of people also plant "victory gardens"?
>>
>> Yes.
>
> No, not in England.
>
It may have started with the US, but they certainly did have Victory
Gardens in England. From Wiki:

"Victory gardens were planted in backyards and on apartment-building
rooftops, with the occasional vacant lot "commandeered for the war
effort!" and put to use as a cornfield or a squash patch. During World
War II, sections of lawn were publicly plowed for plots in Hyde Park,
London to publicize the movement."

Jill

On 7/9/2014 5:58 PM, wrote:
> On Wed, 09 Jul 2014 17:19:04 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 7/9/2014 5:09 PM, wrote:
>>> On Wed, 9 Jul 2014 14:02:14 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 7/8/2014 12:39 PM, Janet wrote:
>>>>>> In article >, says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Tara" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> http://www.theawl.com/2011/11/mock-g...es-of-the-war-
>>>>>>>> rations-diet
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/l5qn9ux
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://1940sexperiment.wordpress.com/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "There is a website, called The 1940s Experiment, whose proprietor,
>>>>>>>> Carolyn Ekins, who was born and raised in the UK but now lives in
>>>>>>>> Canada,
>>>>>>>> is attempting to lose a hundred pounds by following a wartime rations
>>>>>>>> diet, specifically made up of the foods eaten by the British public
>>>>>>>> during World War II. "
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tara
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes. I have seen that. I have a British cookbook of that era and I
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> made several dishes from it. Not sure how such a diet would help with
>>>>>>> weight loss though
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fat, sugar, meat and dairy were all strictly rationed, a fixed amount
>>>>>> per person per week. Vegetables were not rationed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Janet
>>>>>>
>>>>> Didn't lots of people also plant "victory gardens"?
>>>>
>>>> Yes.
>>>
>>> No, not in England.
>>>
>> It may have started with the US, but they certainly did have Victory
>> Gardens in England. From Wiki:
>>
>> "Victory gardens were planted in backyards and on apartment-building
>> rooftops, with the occasional vacant lot "commandeered for the war
>> effort!" and put to use as a cornfield or a squash patch. During World
>> War II, sections of lawn were publicly plowed for plots in Hyde Park,
>> London to publicize the movement."
>>
>> Jill
>
> I doubt it started in the USA, it started way sooner in England! It
> was called 'Dig for Victory' - can't imagine why it would be in the
> USA anyway, never seemed to have the deprivation we did. At least
> judging by what my brother and I saw on the table at the house next
> door which had been requisitioned for US Army Officers.
>
> Their food came from their PX and they lived very differently to us,
> even threw out a leg of lamb which our dog brought triumphantly home.
> I remember that clearly because he was a bull mastiff and my
> grandmother wrestled him down and pried open his mouth so my mother
> could remove it. After a good soak in vinegar and water, she declared
> it good to eat. Nobody argued, we all enjoyed the feast. Sandy got
> the bone eventually.
>
Perhaps I misread the attributions. I thought you were the one who
replied, "No, not in England." I really don't wish to get into an
argument about this. There were certainly Victory Gardens, no matter
whose idea it was.

Jill

On 7/9/2014 4:58 PM, wrote:

> I doubt it started in the USA, it started way sooner in England! It
> was called 'Dig for Victory' - can't imagine why it would be in the
> USA anyway, never seemed to have the deprivation we did. At least
> judging by what my brother and I saw on the table at the house next
> door which had been requisitioned for US Army Officers.
>
> Their food came from their PX and they lived very differently to us,
> even threw out a leg of lamb which our dog brought triumphantly home.
> I remember that clearly because he was a bull mastiff and my
> grandmother wrestled him down and pried open his mouth so my mother
> could remove it. After a good soak in vinegar and water, she declared
> it good to eat. Nobody argued, we all enjoyed the feast. Sandy got
> the bone eventually.

Not sure where Dig for Victory or Victory Gardens began, but my great
grandparents, grandparents and parents, always had large gardens. Maybe
this is just a hobby that people enjoy. When my children were growing
up, we would go out to the ranch so they could see the garden and pick
tomatoes, squash, cucumbers, figs, plums, pears, or whatever was ripe.

Becca

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "jmcquown" wrote:
>> > I still say (and always will say) eat what you like in *moderation*. I
>> > cringe when I see ads for places with endless buffets (Golden Corral or
>> > Old Country Buffet comes to mind). Too many people seem to take the
>> > "all
>> > you can eat" thing to heart. They load up several plates for one
>> > person.
>> > Then go back for seconds. Sheesh.
>>
>> I don't get that at all. This is one reason why it puts me off to dine
>> there. People are just pigs in there! We always get one salad plate and
>> one dinner plate. The plates are small. Once in a while we will go back
>> for something. It's usually because we just took a small taste of
>> something
>> to see if we like it. We then take a little more. Never a full plate
>> when
>> we go back and never dessert.
>
> A buffet is a buffet and it's all you care to eat. That's my rare
> nights out and I like to at least sample everything that looks
> interesting. I always end up eating way too much and I rarely make it
> to the nice looking dessert bars.
>
> I have no food allegies or intollerences. I enjoy all food where ever
> I eat. Maybe I'm just lucky. I eat any thing that I want to, just not
> a lot of any one thing. Your food situation is inconceivable to me.
>
> It sounds like you eat a lot of junk food too and just suppliment it
> with vitamins/pills. Not a good way to go.

Nope. I don't eat a lot of junk food at all.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/9/2014 5:09 PM, wrote:
>> On Wed, 9 Jul 2014 14:02:14 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 7/8/2014 12:39 PM, Janet wrote:
>>>>> In article >,
>>>>> says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Tara" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> http://www.theawl.com/2011/11/mock-g...es-of-the-war-
>>>>>>> rations-diet
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/l5qn9ux
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://1940sexperiment.wordpress.com/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "There is a website, called The 1940s Experiment, whose proprietor,
>>>>>>> Carolyn Ekins, who was born and raised in the UK but now lives in
>>>>>>> Canada,
>>>>>>> is attempting to lose a hundred pounds by following a wartime
>>>>>>> rations
>>>>>>> diet, specifically made up of the foods eaten by the British public
>>>>>>> during World War II. "
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tara
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes. I have seen that. I have a British cookbook of that era and I
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> made several dishes from it. Not sure how such a diet would help
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> weight loss though
>>>>>
>>>>> Fat, sugar, meat and dairy were all strictly rationed, a fixed
>>>>> amount
>>>>> per person per week. Vegetables were not rationed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Janet
>>>>>
>>>> Didn't lots of people also plant "victory gardens"?
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>
>> No, not in England.
>>
> It may have started with the US, but they certainly did have Victory
> Gardens in England. From Wiki:
>
> "Victory gardens were planted in backyards and on apartment-building
> rooftops, with the occasional vacant lot "commandeered for the war
> effort!" and put to use as a cornfield or a squash patch. During World War
> II, sections of lawn were publicly plowed for plots in Hyde Park, London
> to publicize the movement."

I know they did. I've read books about them.

On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 3:24:33 PM UTC-7, Ema Nymton wrote:
> On 7/9/2014 4:58 PM, wrote:
>
>
>
> > I doubt it started in the USA, it started way sooner in England! It
> > was called 'Dig for Victory' - can't imagine why it would be in the
> > USA anyway, never seemed to have the deprivation we did. At least
> > judging by what my brother and I saw on the table at the house next
> > door which had been requisitioned for US Army Officers.

Meat was rationed in America so that our military could be fed. Rationing
applied to muscle meat from quadrupeds.

> Not sure where Dig for Victory or Victory Gardens began, but my great
> grandparents, grandparents and parents, always had large gardens. Maybe
> this is just a hobby that people enjoy. When my children were growing
> up, we would go out to the ranch so they could see the garden and pick
> tomatoes, squash, cucumbers, figs, plums, pears, or whatever was ripe.
>

Relatives on both sides of my family always had vegetable gardens. My
ggmother's neighbors even let her garden in their back yard -- she spent
equal effort on flowers as on vegetables.

The club to which my mother's parents belonged, bought a couple of acres
in the country for picnics, etc. But most members, especially the
apartment dwellers, grabbed a few hundred square feet each for planting
a garden.

On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 4:11:53 PM UTC-7, wrote:

>
> During the war everything was rationed and then beyond that it was a
> question of whether you could actually get your ration of anything. I
> remember a dearth of sugar that seemed to go on for years - probably
> actually weeks or months but it seemed forever to a child.

War and blockades spurred development of northern countries' sugarbeet
industry. But probably not enough so that everyone could have his share.

Great Britain was particularly hard-hit by the war, with rationing lasting
into the 50s.


> My grandmother had a lovely garden anyway but many people had small
> gardens with just flowers and they were urged to plant veggies to hel
> out. They also had what they called allotments which were city parks
> which were dug up and offered as places where people without gardens
> could do their veggie gardening. It was a sort of 'all hands to the
> pumps' effort.
>

Germany's Schrebergarten movement started in the late 1900s, as a way
of putting the children of urban dwellers in touch with nature. Later
they became mostly places to grow vegetables and flowers, each with a
garden shed.

>
> Farmers also had problems at harvest time and I know my aunts and
>
> mother went to help a farmer my grandmother had known for years, he
>
> needed it with all the men gone. They were not too keen but my
>
> grandmother used to go on about them 'doing their bit' -

On Wed, 09 Jul 2014 12:06:11 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>
> A buffet is a buffet and it's all you care to eat. That's my rare
> nights out and I like to at least sample everything that looks
> interesting. I always end up eating way too much and I rarely make it
> to the nice looking dessert bars.

I went to an Asian buffet (this one was part Chinese, part Japanese
and a little Filipino) for the first time ever today. So much food to
choose from! And it was good too. Even the stuff I didn't think
would be good was good, like the pot stickers and lumpia. They had a
chocolate fountain (it was milk chocolate, so I didn't partake) and an
ice cream bar with green tea ice cream as one of the choices... and
all those Asian style (not too sweet) mini pastries. <happy sigh>
I'm getting full again just thinking about it.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

On 7/9/2014 5:58 PM, wrote:

>
> I doubt it started in the USA, it started way sooner in England! It
> was called 'Dig for Victory' - can't imagine why it would be in the
> USA anyway, never seemed to have the deprivation we did. At least
> judging by what my brother and I saw on the table at the house next
> door which had been requisitioned for US Army Officers.

That seems to be an odd comment. The entire world was in a state of
deprivation. Yes, England was probably worse than the US, but there was
a lot of upheaval all over. Crops were difficult to plant and harvest
when many of our farmers were in the Pacific or Europe fighting a war
and the people left were sending what supplies we had to them.

You cannot judge the condition of a country with 136 million (in 2943)
people based on one house of officers.

To this day, I can't think of many experiences more gratifying as picking something perfectly ripe from one's own garden. When you, or your child, dig up a carrot, wash it off and taste real carrot, you win. "Baby carrots" just don't suffice after that.

> wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 09 Jul 2014 17:24:33 -0500, Ema Nymton >
> wrote:
>>
>>Not sure where Dig for Victory or Victory Gardens began, but my great
>>grandparents, grandparents and parents, always had large gardens. Maybe
>>this is just a hobby that people enjoy. When my children were growing
>>up, we would go out to the ranch so they could see the garden and pick
>>tomatoes, squash, cucumbers, figs, plums, pears, or whatever was ripe.
>>
>>Becca
>
> During the war everything was rationed and then beyond that it was a
> question of whether you could actually get your ration of anything. I
> remember a dearth of sugar that seemed to go on for years - probably
> actually weeks or months but it seemed forever to a child.
>
> My grandmother had a lovely garden anyway but many people had small
> gardens with just flowers and they were urged to plant veggies to help
> out. They also had what they called allotments which were city parks
> which were dug up and offered as places where people without gardens
> could do their veggie gardening. It was a sort of 'all hands to the
> pumps' effort.
>
> Farmers also had problems at harvest time and I know my aunts and
> mother went to help a farmer my grandmother had known for years, he
> needed it with all the men gone. They were not too keen but my
> grandmother used to go on about them 'doing their bit' -

All correct One of my aunts was a 'land girl' in the war, and she
remained friends with that farmer and used to go every weekend. When I was
young she used to take me with her and I loved it.



--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

"Gorio" > wrote in message
...

> To this day, I can't think of many experiences more gratifying as
> picking something perfectly ripe from one's own garden. When you, or
> your child, dig up a carrot, wash it off and taste real carrot, you win.
> "Baby carrots" just don't suffice after that.

Yes. I just wish I could grow stuff here. I gave up. No space to put in a
real garden and the only things that were prolific in the Earth Boxes were
things I didn't want a lot of Like greens.

"Gorio" > wrote in message
...
>
> Ema Nymton;1948433 Wrote:
>> On 7/9/2014 4:58 PM, wrote:
>> -
>> I doubt it started in the USA, it started way sooner in England! It
>> was called 'Dig for Victory' - can't imagine why it would be in the
>> USA anyway, never seemed to have the deprivation we did. At least
>> judging by what my brother and I saw on the table at the house next
>> door which had been requisitioned for US Army Officers.
>>
>> Their food came from their PX and they lived very differently to us,
>> even threw out a leg of lamb which our dog brought triumphantly home.
>> I remember that clearly because he was a bull mastiff and my
>> grandmother wrestled him down and pried open his mouth so my mother
>> could remove it. After a good soak in vinegar and water, she declared
>> it good to eat. Nobody argued, we all enjoyed the feast. Sandy got
>> the bone eventually.-
>>
>> Not sure where Dig for Victory or Victory Gardens began, but my great
>> grandparents, grandparents and parents, always had large gardens. Maybe
>> this is just a hobby that people enjoy. When my children were growing
>> up, we would go out to the ranch so they could see the garden and pick
>> tomatoes, squash, cucumbers, figs, plums, pears, or whatever was ripe.
>>
>> Becca
>
> To this day, I can't think of many experiences more gratifying as
> picking something perfectly ripe from one's own garden. When you, or
> your child, dig up a carrot, wash it off and taste real carrot, you win.
> "Baby carrots" just don't suffice after that.

OH yes! The flavour is very different)
--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On 7/9/2014 8:34 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 7/9/2014 5:58 PM, wrote:
>
>>
>> I doubt it started in the USA, it started way sooner in England! It
>> was called 'Dig for Victory' - can't imagine why it would be in the
>> USA anyway, never seemed to have the deprivation we did. At least
>> judging by what my brother and I saw on the table at the house next
>> door which had been requisitioned for US Army Officers.
>
> That seems to be an odd comment. The entire world was in a state of
> deprivation. Yes, England was probably worse than the US, but there
> was a lot of upheaval all over. Crops were difficult to plant and
> harvest when many of our farmers were in the Pacific or Europe
> fighting a war and the people left were sending what supplies we had
> to them.
>
> You cannot judge the condition of a country with 136 million (in 2943)
> people based on one house of officers.

The National WWII Museum on rationing in the US:
http://www.nww2m.com/tag/rationing/

Allied civilians had it tougher, to permit more supplies for the
front. My dad was stationed in England during WWII and he came home
with an abiding fondness for kippers and a burning hatred for mutton.
One of my uncles began driving a logging truck during the War. He was
thirteen years old, but all the able-bodied men were in service. He
was once stopped by a cop who, after his initial shock, shrugged and
sent him on his way. He understood that work had to go on, which meant
making do with whoever they could get.

On Thursday, July 10, 2014 3:41:42 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> On Wed, 09 Jul 2014 21:34:49 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>
>
> >On 7/9/2014 5:58 PM, wrote:
>

> >> I doubt it started in the USA, it started way sooner in England! It
> >> was called 'Dig for Victory' - can't imagine why it would be in the
> >> USA anyway, never seemed to have the deprivation we did. At least
> >> judging by what my brother and I saw on the table at the house next
> >> door which had been requisitioned for US Army Officers.
>
> >That seems to be an odd comment. The entire world was in a state of
> >deprivation. Yes, England was probably worse than the US, but there was
> >a lot of upheaval all over. Crops were difficult to plant and harvest
> >when many of our farmers were in the Pacific or Europe fighting a war
> >and the people left were sending what supplies we had to them.
>
> >You cannot judge the condition of a country with 136 million (in 1943)
> >people based on one house of officers.
>
> There may have been shortages in NA but nothing along the lines of
> what happened in England.

By the end of the war, gasoline, rubber, sugar, meat, fats, fossil fuels,
coal, shoes, and canned goods were all rationed in the US.

>

> Someone mentioned stockings, silk stockings. Well they may not have
> been available in the US but nylon ones sure were.

Nylon production was diverted entirely into military uses like parachutes
and tire cord from 1942 to 1945.

> I was just a kid
>
> but heard the women folk in my grandmothers house talking about that.
>
> When we came to Canada in 1967 a neighbour gave me a copy of her War
> Cake - David and I had a laugh over that later because 9/10 of the
> ingredients were totally unavailable. I am not sure where someone in
> England was going to find raisins, dried apricots, butter, eggs.
>

That's odd. War cakes -- also known as Depression cake, and dating back
to the first world war -- were designed not to use expensive butter or
eggs. Raisins, grown in the US, took the place of most of the sugar. MFK
Fisher's recipe, from her WW II cookbook required the homemaker to,
boil shortening (or even bacon grease) with water, sugar, whatever
dried fruits were available, and and spices. Then, after it cools,
mix with flour and baking soda, then bake.

> I'm not complaining, I remember my childhood fondly and yes, I believe
> we were far more healthy than todays kids with the exception of having
> to go through childhood complaints like measles, mumps, whooping
> cough, chicken pox. I had diptheria during those years and that was
> traumatic, in an isolation hospital with no visitors allowed. That's
> a plus these days, that sensible parents can prevent their children
> having all those 'childhood complaints'.

In my youth, kids were vaccinated against diptheria and whooping cough,
then polio, but measles, chicken pox, rubella, and mumps were just
considered the "usual childhood diseases."

On Thursday, July 10, 2014 9:02:51 AM UTC-7, Moe DeLoughan wrote:

>
> The National WWII Museum on rationing in the US:
> http://www.nww2m.com/tag/rationing/
>
> Allied civilians had it tougher, to permit more supplies for the
> front. My dad was stationed in England during WWII and he came home
> with an abiding fondness for kippers and a burning hatred for mutton.

My FIL, part of a photorecon squadron stationed in the Pacific, was made
to eat NZ mutton so often that he refused even to eat a bite of lamb for
the rest of his life.

> One of my uncles began driving a logging truck during the War. He was
> thirteen years old, but all the able-bodied men were in service. He
> was once stopped by a cop who, after his initial shock, shrugged and
> sent him on his way. He understood that work had to go on, which meant
> making do with whoever they could get.

For decades, in most of the Midwest, farm kids could legally drive for
farm purposes at age 14. This would mean pickups and other smaller
trucks, but probably not log trucks.

> wrote in message
...
> On Thursday, July 10, 2014 9:02:51 AM UTC-7, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
>
>>
>> The National WWII Museum on rationing in the US:
>> http://www.nww2m.com/tag/rationing/
>>
>> Allied civilians had it tougher, to permit more supplies for the
>> front. My dad was stationed in England during WWII and he came home
>> with an abiding fondness for kippers and a burning hatred for mutton.
>
> My FIL, part of a photorecon squadron stationed in the Pacific, was made
> to eat NZ mutton so often that he refused even to eat a bite of lamb for
> the rest of his life.
>
>> One of my uncles began driving a logging truck during the War. He was
>> thirteen years old, but all the able-bodied men were in service. He
>> was once stopped by a cop who, after his initial shock, shrugged and
>> sent him on his way. He understood that work had to go on, which meant
>> making do with whoever they could get.
>
> For decades, in most of the Midwest, farm kids could legally drive for
> farm purposes at age 14. This would mean pickups and other smaller
> trucks, but probably not log trucks.

They can get driver's licenses at 14 wherever the Duggars live.

On 7/10/14, 12:44 PM, wrote:
> On Thursday, July 10, 2014 9:02:51 AM UTC-7, Moe DeLoughan wrote:

>> Allied civilians had it tougher, to permit more supplies for the
>> front. My dad was stationed in England during WWII and he came home
>> with an abiding fondness for kippers and a burning hatred for mutton.
>
> My FIL, part of a photorecon squadron stationed in the Pacific, was made
> to eat NZ mutton so often that he refused even to eat a bite of lamb for
> the rest of his life.

Yes. My mother was in the British Army, and my father met and married
her over there in 1945. Neither one ever ate lamb again, despite me
trying my best with beautiful racks of very young Colorado lamb...

-- Larry