On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 06:12:41 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
> wrote:

> When did Hamburger Helper start coming in cans? The last time I noticed it on a shelf, it was a box
> package with some pasta and a seasoning/sauce packet.
>
> N.

It would help if you could quote what you're talking about. Where did
he say Hamburger Helper came in cans? He was talking about Kraft Mac
n Cheese in a microwavable cup.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

On 7/17/2014 8:16 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 7/17/2014 9:12 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
>> When did Hamburger Helper start coming in cans? The last time I
>> noticed it on a shelf, it was a box
>> package with some pasta and a seasoning/sauce packet.
>>
>> N.
>>
> It doesn't come in cans. Sheldon either doesn't know what it is or he's
> thinking of Manwich or something similar for sloppy joes.

Yep, Hamburger Helper (tuna, chicken, whatever!) has always been in a
box. Just like that 'mac-n-cheese' in a box <G>.

Sky

On 7/17/2014 12:10 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> You really have chemical issues! Here are the ingredients in the
> Stroganoff:
>
> Enriched Pasta (wheat flour, niacin, ferrous sulfate, thiamin
> mononitrate, riboflavin, folic acid), Corn Starch, Salt, Enriched Flour
> (wheat flour, niacin, iron, thiamin mononitrate, riboflavin, folic
> acid), Modified Whey, Monosodium Glutamate, Cream, Tomato*, Potassium
> Chloride, Sugar, Artificial Color, Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein (corn,
> wheat, soy), Lactic Acid, Yeast Extract, Natural Flavor, Calcium
> Lactate, Partially Hydrogenated Soybean Oil, Citric Acid,
> Monoglycerides, Onion*, Parsley*, Spice, Beef Stock, Silicon Dioxide
> (anticaking agent), Mushroom*, Corn Syrup*, Soy Lecithin, Disodium
> Inosinate, Disodium Guanylate, Beef Fat, Soy Sauce* (wheat, soybeans,
> salt), Garlic*.*Dried

(snippety)

Indeed I do have issues with chemicals. Look at that yummy list of
ingredients!

Why would I eat all that crap when I know how to make excellent beef
stroganoff from scratch? BTW, despite what some people seem to think,
beef stroganoff is *not* made with ground beef.

I'm not saying I never eat anything with added chemicals. Sure I do.
But I don't go out of my way to do so.

Jill

On 7/17/2014 10:19 AM, sf wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 06:12:41 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
> > wrote:
>
>> When did Hamburger Helper start coming in cans? The last time I noticed it on a shelf, it was a box
>> package with some pasta and a seasoning/sauce packet.
>>
>> N.
>
> It would help if you could quote what you're talking about.

Agreed, quoting would help immensely.

> Where did
> he say Hamburger Helper came in cans? He was talking about Kraft Mac
> n Cheese in a microwavable cup.
>
He said "Hamburger helper and the like are very expensive when you
factor in how little you get aqt that inflated price... you pay for that
small can" and "Hamburger Helper and other products of that ilk are much
more a convenience, good to have a couple cans for when one doesn't feel
like cooking and/or hasn't the time."

Then he went on to talk about the grandkids preferring Mac & Cheese in a
microwaveable cup.

Jill

On 7/16/2014 2:47 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> My point about Hamburger Helper is, it's not really that much of a
>> time-saver.
>
> My mom loved it because she could make it in her electric skillet.

According to the Mommy forum where the $200 a month thread was posted,
that's about *all* they have. "We make 98% of our food from scratch
(the best we can...we don't have an oven or a stove--just the microwave,
a grill, and an electric skillet"). That might be half the problem
right there.

IMHO it's pretty darn difficult to cook for one, much less a family,
without having the proper equipment. Every apartment (or house) I
*ever* rented came equipped with a stove/oven.

She also wrote "We do not go to restaurants more than 1-2 times a month
(and that's usually only a $30-$50 bill...). So stop going out to eat
and put that $30-50 a month towards a stove/oven. It doesn't have to be
brand-spanking new. Eating out is a luxury, not a necessity. YMMV.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
>
> Sorry. You brown and drain the beef, add the noodles which come in the
> box, then add water and the seasoning packet. The seasoning varies
> depending on which one you bought. God only knows what's in that packet
> of powdered seasoning but you can bet it's mostly chemical:

Jill. You make a good point about hamburger helper. It is more
expensive and the only difference is the sauce package. Trouble with
me is I'm somewhat sauce challenged. The sauces I make seem a bit
bland and this also applies to others that have told me how to make a
killer tasty sauce. Most of them fail and are bland.

With the HH sauce pak, they do have good flavor.

I have a box of it here. It's HH Salisbury and their sauce pack \
gravy is very tasty. You say you can make your own sauce quickly and
easily. Tell me how you would recreate this dish.

one pound ground beef
package (or equivalent) of egg noodles
sauce to flavor it all.

The HH spice package is very flavorful. Can you beat that or make some
just as good easily? Give me a recipe and I'll try it side by side
with the HH.

G.

On 7/17/2014 1:05 PM, Gary wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> Sorry. You brown and drain the beef, add the noodles which come in the
>> box, then add water and the seasoning packet. The seasoning varies
>> depending on which one you bought. God only knows what's in that packet
>> of powdered seasoning but you can bet it's mostly chemical:
>
> Jill. You make a good point about hamburger helper. It is more
> expensive and the only difference is the sauce package. Trouble with
> me is I'm somewhat sauce challenged. The sauces I make seem a bit
> bland and this also applies to others that have told me how to make a
> killer tasty sauce. Most of them fail and are bland.
>
> With the HH sauce pak, they do have good flavor.
>
> I have a box of it here. It's HH Salisbury and their sauce pack \
> gravy is very tasty. You say you can make your own sauce quickly and
> easily. Tell me how you would recreate this dish.
>
> one pound ground beef
> package (or equivalent) of egg noodles
> sauce to flavor it all.
>
> The HH spice package is very flavorful. Can you beat that or make some
> just as good easily? Give me a recipe and I'll try it side by side
> with the HH.
>
> G.
>
When I make something like this I don't use a recipe. It depends on
what flavour you're going for as to how you season the sauce.

When making something like this from scratch, I'd certainly add onion
and garlic to the ground beef when browning it. Meanwhile, cook the
noodles in salted water. Add them when the water starts to boil, stir,
then remove from the heat. Don't worry, they'll continue to cook. When
the beef is done, drain the beef and drain the noodles. Put the beef
back in the skillet.

If your sauces are bland, you should probably adjust the salt. For the
"sauce" for something like this, since you don't have a packet, don't
use plain water. Use beef stock.

Herbs & spices are important. I have a pretty good stock of both. You
have to season or add things to it depending on the desired results.

I don't know what this HH meal you're describing tastes like so I can't
help you there. Not fair to try to do a side-by-side comparison based
on that.

Anyway, stir in the noodles; simmer (uncovered) on low heat about 20
minutes, stirring occasionally, until the sauce is reduced. You might
need to thicken the sauce with a cornstarch slurry towards the end... it
depends on how much liquid you added.

Jill

On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 13:05:18 -0400, Gary > wrote:

> one pound ground beef
> package (or equivalent) of egg noodles
> sauce to flavor it all.
>
> The HH spice package is very flavorful. Can you beat that or make some
> just as good easily? Give me a recipe and I'll try it side by side
> with the HH.

What do you use to season? I'd use s&p, garlic for sure and red meat
calls for thyme. It's a sauce, so I'd also add a few drops of L&P
Worcestershire sauce. It needs to be L&P, not French's (which is
awful).

If you know how to make biscuits and gravy, you know how to make the
sauce part, but you might consider half milk and half beef
broth/stock. If you don't use broth, you can eliminate the salt and
use a bullion cube for a meatier flavor.

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On 7/17/2014 2:15 PM, sf wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 13:05:18 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>> one pound ground beef
>> package (or equivalent) of egg noodles
>> sauce to flavor it all.
>>
>> The HH spice package is very flavorful. Can you beat that or make some
>> just as good easily? Give me a recipe and I'll try it side by side
>> with the HH.
>
> What do you use to season? I'd use s&p, garlic for sure and red meat
> calls for thyme. It's a sauce, so I'd also add a few drops of L&P
> Worcestershire sauce. It needs to be L&P, not French's (which is
> awful).
>
I think it also depends on the end result/flavour he's looking for. I
don't know a thing about this Salisbury Hamb. Helper he's talking about.
I have made salisbury steak (I know you don't like it, sf) and for
that I use beef stock when making the sauce. Thyme, absolutely.

I can't quite picture deconstructing salisbury steak into something
cooked in a skillet together with noodles.

> If you know how to make biscuits and gravy, you know how to make the
> sauce part,

Do we know that he knows how to make biscuits and gravy?

I can make the gravy, I lost the knack for making biscuits.

Jill

On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 14:38:45 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

> > If you know how to make biscuits and gravy, you know how to make the
> > sauce part,
>
> Do we know that he knows how to make biscuits and gravy?

That's why I said "if".

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All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

Ophelia wrote:
>
> "Julie Bove" wrote:
> > It's an all in one meal. Contains a starch such as potatoes, rice or
> > pasta. All of these things are precooked and dried. You brown your own
> > ground beef, then add the dried sauce packet, some water and your starch.
> > Cook for a few more minutes and it's done.
>
> It sounds dreadful!

They are actually pretty tasty. Julie is clueless. I've never had on
with pototoes or rice. It's always egg noodles.

Jill is against the flavoring packet but I'll bet they flavor it
better than her homemade sauce does.

Or not. I've asked her to recipe a flavoring. Let's see what she
comes up with.

jmcquown wrote:
>
> On 7/17/2014 7:15 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> >
> >
> > "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >>
> >> It's an all in one meal. Contains a starch such as potatoes, rice or
> >> pasta. All of these things are precooked and dried. You brown your
> >> own ground beef, then add the dried sauce packet, some water and your
> >> starch. Cook for a few more minutes and it's done.
> >
> > It sounds dreadful!
> >
> It is pretty dreadful. Especially since it's so easy to make something
> very similar from scratch with your own good ingredients.
>
> Jill

Pound of ground beef, some egg noodles then *your* wonderful sauce
Jill. How about a recipe for how you can make it and taste just as
good. You post it and I'll try it and compare to the evil sauce
packet with all the chemicals that HH provides.

G.

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>>
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 21:29:19 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 7/15/2014 7:16 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > "Gary" > wrote in message
>>>>> > ...
>>>>> >> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> I seriously doubt a family of four could survive spending only
>>>>> >>> $200/month for groceries and sundries unless all they were eating
>>>>> >>> was
>>>>> >>> pre-packaged junk such as like hamburger helper.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Hamburger Helper is not really junk. It's mostly ground beast that
>>>>> >> you use anyway, and some noodles that you would use too. Your only
>>>>> >> "junk" argument is with the spice mix and you would make a spice
>>>>> >> mix
>>>>> >> too. What's the problem?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> They have some decent varieties and it's no cop out to use them.
>>>>> >> Many
>>>>> >> people buy them too. It's a quick fix when you are pressed for
>>>>> >> time.
>>>>> >> Taste-wise....probably better than what half the people here make
>>>>> >> themselves from scratch. Seriously.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I have issues in that I think the pasta is par boiled or something.
>>>>> > Just not to my liking. I ate tons of the stuff s a kid. My mom
>>>>> > loved
>>>>> > it. I do know of people who get it for free and either make it
>>>>> > without
>>>>> > the meat or save up the noodles and use only those for something
>>>>> > else.
>>>>> > It is one thing that you can get for free with coupons given the
>>>>> > right
>>>>> > circumstances.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, when you buy about 3 boxes of the stuff. That's the problem
>>>>> with
>>>>> coupons. Most of the time they are for boxed crap I wouldn't buy and
>>>>> then they want me to buy three of them in order to save $1.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pasta is dirt cheap. It doesn't make sense to buy Hamburger Helper
>>>>> and
>>>>> save the noodles from those boxes to use for something else. Those
>>>>> people are obviously brainless twits.
>>>>>
>>>> Oh, but Jill.... they saved SO MUCH money when they buy two and get
>>>> one free when they didn't need any. LOL
>>>
>>> I am sure someone told me once what 'hamburger helper' is but if they
>>> did it
>>> escapes me. If it contains noodles, is it a 'side' dish? Would someone
>>> be so kind as to tell me what it is, please? I always thought it was
>>> some kind of filler, to bulk out the meat.
>>
>> It's an all in one meal. Contains a starch such as potatoes, rice or
>> pasta. All of these things are precooked and dried. You brown your own
>> ground beef, then add the dried sauce packet, some water and your starch.
>> Cook for a few more minutes and it's done.
>
> It sounds dreadful!

When I was a kid I didn't mind the cheeseburger one so much. And believe me
when I say that we had a lot of dinners that I flat out would not eat. Like
the poached fish and liver. That being said, this is not a product I would
ever choose to eat.

"Nancy2" > wrote in message
...
> When did Hamburger Helper start coming in cans? The last time I noticed
> it on a shelf, it was a box
> package with some pasta and a seasoning/sauce packet.
>
> N.

It doesn't.

"sf" > wrote in message
news
> On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 06:12:41 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
> > wrote:
>
>> When did Hamburger Helper start coming in cans? The last time I noticed
>> it on a shelf, it was a box
>> package with some pasta and a seasoning/sauce packet.
>>
>> N.
>
> It would help if you could quote what you're talking about. Where did
> he say Hamburger Helper came in cans? He was talking about Kraft Mac
> n Cheese in a microwavable cup.

Somebody said that it came in cans. I can't remember who now but I think it
was someone who isn't in this country.

"sf" > wrote in message
news
> On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 09:18:06 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 7/17/2014 7:15 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >>
>> >> It's an all in one meal. Contains a starch such as potatoes, rice or
>> >> pasta. All of these things are precooked and dried. You brown your
>> >> own ground beef, then add the dried sauce packet, some water and your
>> >> starch. Cook for a few more minutes and it's done.
>> >
>> > It sounds dreadful!
>> >
>> It is pretty dreadful. Especially since it's so easy to make something
>> very similar from scratch with your own good ingredients.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Emulating anything Hamburger Helperish doesn't sound very good either.
> I think the only people who would use the product or make something
> similar at home must make a lot of noodle laden casseroles.

I doubt that. I think it is more like people who don't know how to cook or
don't want to cook. The commercials are aimed at college students and those
who normally eat only fast food. They imply that the HH is better tasting
than fast food.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/16/2014 2:47 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> My point about Hamburger Helper is, it's not really that much of a
>>> time-saver.
>>
>> My mom loved it because she could make it in her electric skillet.
>
> According to the Mommy forum where the $200 a month thread was posted,
> that's about *all* they have. "We make 98% of our food from scratch (the
> best we can...we don't have an oven or a stove--just the microwave, a
> grill, and an electric skillet"). That might be half the problem right
> there.

Yes! I always keep this in mind when I buy for the food bank. I can
remember a radio announcer making mention of this. They gave a woman in
Seattle a big basket of food. She began to cry and said that not only did
she have no way to prepare the food but no dishes. So the announcer
reminded us that if we were going to donate, to donate things that could be
eaten as is.
>
> IMHO it's pretty darn difficult to cook for one, much less a family,
> without having the proper equipment. Every apartment (or house) I *ever*
> rented came equipped with a stove/oven.
>
I looked at one place near Greenlake that was advertised as an apartment.
The kitchen had some counters and cupboards and a big utility type sink.
There was a really old stove but no fridge. Also no place to put a fridge
as it was a very small place. To make matters worse, the bedroom was so
small that with a full sized bed in it, you had to climb over the bed to get
into the bathroom. I declined.

I had a friend who was renting a room in the Ballard area. It was a nice
slzed furnished room with a full sized fridge but no stove or microwave.
But this was long enough ago that many people still didn't have microwaves.

My mom's current place has a small fridge. Smaller than full sized but
larger than those little hotel types. She has two burners and a small
microwave. No oven. But... Meals are included in her rent so techincally
she doesn't need to cook.

Also keep in mind that a lot of our county's poor are forced to live in
rooms or motels because they can't afford to save up enough to rent an
apartment.

> She also wrote "We do not go to restaurants more than 1-2 times a month
> (and that's usually only a $30-$50 bill...). So stop going out to eat and
> put that $30-50 a month towards a stove/oven. It doesn't have to be
> brand-spanking new. Eating out is a luxury, not a necessity. YMMV.

If they are living in a room or motel, they probably can't put in a stove.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> Sorry. You brown and drain the beef, add the noodles which come in the
>> box, then add water and the seasoning packet. The seasoning varies
>> depending on which one you bought. God only knows what's in that packet
>> of powdered seasoning but you can bet it's mostly chemical:
>
> Jill. You make a good point about hamburger helper. It is more
> expensive and the only difference is the sauce package. Trouble with
> me is I'm somewhat sauce challenged. The sauces I make seem a bit
> bland and this also applies to others that have told me how to make a
> killer tasty sauce. Most of them fail and are bland.
>
> With the HH sauce pak, they do have good flavor.
>
> I have a box of it here. It's HH Salisbury and their sauce pack \
> gravy is very tasty. You say you can make your own sauce quickly and
> easily. Tell me how you would recreate this dish.
>
> one pound ground beef
> package (or equivalent) of egg noodles
> sauce to flavor it all.
>
> The HH spice package is very flavorful. Can you beat that or make some
> just as good easily? Give me a recipe and I'll try it side by side
> with the HH.

I had not eaten HH for many years. Daughter asked for it when they came out
with some gluten free ones. So I bought it and made it on Halloween. The
flavor of it was so vile that neither of us could eat it. I can't remember
what the flavor was but it had cheese and rice in it. It was so unbearably
salty. I do remember adding my own veggies to it when I cooked the meat.
That wasn't enough to help it. Neither was adding real cheese. I had to
toss it.

When I was younger, I would often buy the cheapest mac and cheese in a box
that I could find. I'd make that, add cooked ground beef and some shredded
cheddar. That was pretty good.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/17/2014 1:05 PM, Gary wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>> Sorry. You brown and drain the beef, add the noodles which come in the
>>> box, then add water and the seasoning packet. The seasoning varies
>>> depending on which one you bought. God only knows what's in that packet
>>> of powdered seasoning but you can bet it's mostly chemical:
>>
>> Jill. You make a good point about hamburger helper. It is more
>> expensive and the only difference is the sauce package. Trouble with
>> me is I'm somewhat sauce challenged. The sauces I make seem a bit
>> bland and this also applies to others that have told me how to make a
>> killer tasty sauce. Most of them fail and are bland.
>>
>> With the HH sauce pak, they do have good flavor.
>>
>> I have a box of it here. It's HH Salisbury and their sauce pack \
>> gravy is very tasty. You say you can make your own sauce quickly and
>> easily. Tell me how you would recreate this dish.
>>
>> one pound ground beef
>> package (or equivalent) of egg noodles
>> sauce to flavor it all.
>>
>> The HH spice package is very flavorful. Can you beat that or make some
>> just as good easily? Give me a recipe and I'll try it side by side
>> with the HH.
>>
>> G.
>>
> When I make something like this I don't use a recipe. It depends on what
> flavour you're going for as to how you season the sauce.
>
> When making something like this from scratch, I'd certainly add onion and
> garlic to the ground beef when browning it. Meanwhile, cook the noodles
> in salted water. Add them when the water starts to boil, stir, then
> remove from the heat. Don't worry, they'll continue to cook. When the
> beef is done, drain the beef and drain the noodles. Put the beef back in
> the skillet.
>
> If your sauces are bland, you should probably adjust the salt. For the
> "sauce" for something like this, since you don't have a packet, don't use
> plain water. Use beef stock.
>
> Herbs & spices are important. I have a pretty good stock of both. You
> have to season or add things to it depending on the desired results.
>
> I don't know what this HH meal you're describing tastes like so I can't
> help you there. Not fair to try to do a side-by-side comparison based on
> that.
>
> Anyway, stir in the noodles; simmer (uncovered) on low heat about 20
> minutes, stirring occasionally, until the sauce is reduced. You might
> need to thicken the sauce with a cornstarch slurry towards the end... it
> depends on how much liquid you added.
>
> Jill

We had Spaghetti Red a lot growing up which is akin to HH. Brown your
ground beef (I would add onions and bell peppers but my mom never would),
heat some tomato sauce and add a good amount of chili powder. Boil some
macaroni. Mix all together and serve. Or can be made ahead of time and
reheat in the oven. Out of tomato sauce? Can't tomatoes will work but the
end result will be a little soupy.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> "Julie Bove" wrote:
>> > It's an all in one meal. Contains a starch such as potatoes, rice or
>> > pasta. All of these things are precooked and dried. You brown your own
>> > ground beef, then add the dried sauce packet, some water and your
>> > starch.
>> > Cook for a few more minutes and it's done.
>>
>> It sounds dreadful!
>
> They are actually pretty tasty. Julie is clueless. I've never had on
> with pototoes or rice. It's always egg noodles.

I am not clueless. My mom loved the stuff and we ate it at least twice a
week for at least a year. As I said, I could eat the Cheeseburger Helper.
I didn't find it objectionable. I did find the other flavors objectionable.
Too salty. Flavors too sharp. Pasta or potatoes too gummy. Rice a little
on the crunchy side.
>
> Jill is against the flavoring packet but I'll bet they flavor it
> better than her homemade sauce does.

I highly doubt that. I am not necessarily against the chemicals nor am I
for them but I had to eat many meals of the stuff and not by choice.
>
> Or not. I've asked her to recipe a flavoring. Let's see what she
> comes up with.

Thing is, when people cook from scratch they don't usually make stuff like
that. But there are HH recipes out there. I have seen them.

On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 14:53:22 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> Thing is, when people cook from scratch they don't usually make stuff like
> that. But there are HH recipes out there. I have seen them.

True, at least for me.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 14:49:55 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> We had Spaghetti Red a lot growing up which is akin to HH.

Never heard of that. Spaghetti red always means inexpensive red table
wine to me.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
> "cshenk" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> > >
> >>"cshenk" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> >>> Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > > >
> >>> >
> >>>>"sf" > wrote in message
> >>> > ...
> >>>>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 08:10:49 -0700 (PDT),
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>> > >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > If I was going to prune our grocery bill:
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Beans once a week.
> >>>>> >
> >>> > >
> >>>>> I'd be eating beans more than that because there's so much you
> can >>>>> do with them. Variety is the spice of life!
> >>> >
> >>> > Yes. Alas when I was on my poverty diet, I didn't think of
> >>> > beans. I ate a Carnation Breakfast Bar or boiled eggs for
> >>> > breakfast every morning. I bought the bars when I had coupons.
> >>> > I liked them because they contained vitamins.
> >>> >
> >>> > Lunch at work was spaghetti with red sauce. No cheese. I did
> not >>> > have a microwave at home so I made a huge pot and reheated
> at >>> > work.
> >>> >
> >>> > At home I had peanut butter sandwiches for lunch and dinner.
> >>> > Rounded out by canned peas, carrots (no baby carrots in those
> >>> > days) and apples. I did grow some of my own things including
> >>> > lettuce and onions so I always had salad.
> >>> >
> >>> > I also ate air popped popcorn for snacks.
> >>> >
> >>> > About once a week, I went out to eat. My parents paid. We
> >>> > usually ate at Sizzler and I took the all you can eat aspect of
> >>> > the salad bar seriously. I only ate the vegetables, trying to
> >>> > get my fill of things I couldn't afford to have at home.
> >>> >
> >>> > Thankfully I only had to do that diet for a month. But it was
> >>> > pretty well balanced and cheap.
> > > >
> >>> And costs more than a regular scratch cooked diet would. That was
> >>> all 'fast food' sorts.
> > >
> > > What? How is spaghetti made sauce made from scratch considered
> > > fast food? Or hard boiled eggs?
> >
> >
> > LIst your red sauce recipe. You have failed to list anything
> > specific other than Carnation bars, a high cost item then and even
> > now for a real cook.
> >
> >
> >>> I just tossed 57cents of pasta in a pot and boiled it. I added
> in a >>> separate pot 2 large (28 oz) cans of crushed tomatoes,
> chopped >>> garlic, basil, oregano and black pepper. The cans were
> 50 cents >>> each. I added 1 lb of Johnsonville sausage which was
> 4.99 for 1.5 >>> lbs but I had a 1.50 coupon and they were doubling
> up to 2$ coupons >>> so I paid 1.99 for 1.5 lbs and used 1$ worth.
> > > >
> >>> Spagetti cost: .57+1.00+1.00= 2.57
> > >
> > > Well great. I was a vegetarian and didn't eat meat of any kind.
> > > How is yours any better?
> >
> > Did you miss totally that even with meat it was less?
> >
> >
> >>> How much is the result? I have 8 1cup servings. Thats 32cents a
> >>> serving and much more filing than a 75 cent carnation bar.
> > >
> > > Those bars most assuredly were not 75 cents back in the 70's and
> > > they aren't being made now so I haven't a clue what you think
> > > they are.
> >
> > Justify yourself all you want. I've not seen you even look at
> > anything but prepared foods that are fast and required maybe 2
> > minutes of your time.
>
> You haven't seen me look at anything! You've never been in my
> kitchen! Are you telling me that my baked beans from scratch are
> loaded with prepared foods? Yes, I put some ketchup and Splenda in
> there. A little molasses too. Yes, I could make ketchup. Techically
> I could make anything. Probably even Splenda if I had the right
> equipment. I happen to like the prepared ketchup that I bought.
>
> Are you saying that when I make my own broth from vegetable scraps
> and then make vegetable soup with raw vegetables, that is using
> prepared food? Oh I happen to like the prepared broth that I can
> buy. So normally I use that or tomato juice or V8 or something of
> that ilk. Sure, I could juice a tomato if I really wanted to.
> >
> > I haver serious spinal issues that relegate me to a 15 lb lift but
> > even I do do better than that.
> >
>
> You do do better than what? I make all sorts of stuff from scratch.
> I used to make my own pasta and ravioli. I can't do that now unless
> I can come up with some recipe that doesn't use eggs. I have never
> ground my own flour. Have a friend who does that. But I used to make
> my bread from scratch. No machine. I had a machine. Did not like
> it. I made donuts from scratch, all sorts of muffins, countless
> batches of cookies. But we don't eat much of that stuff now so I'm
> not going to bother. When Angela needed to eat gluten free, I made
> crackers, bread, muffins, quick breads, pretzels, bagles, pizza
> dough, you name it! I couldn't even use mixes most of the time
> because I needed egg and dairy free.
>
> I used to make all sorts of candy, including hand painted chocolates
> and scratch cakes that were decorated. I had people give me orders
> for these things because they liked my cooking so well.
>
> When I was working at K Mart, I made huge batches of things for
> potlucks. Heart shaped ravioli, Chinese Tomato Beef. Those two came
> to mind first as they were the most time consuming. Oh! I made
> potstickers totally from scratch and also puff pastry. Once. I also
> know when I am better off buying ingredients already made. Like puff
> pastry.
>
> > Get off your BUTT and feed the family healthy food. If you have to
> > fix it in 10-15 minute standing zones like I do, then DO IT.
>
> What in the hell are you talking about now? I feed my family healthy
> food.
>
> > If you want to just WHINE, I will no longer correspond with you as
> > you are wasting my time. If you want help I am here but no more
> > whines.
>
> The other person I see whining here is YOU! And you are telling lies
> about me. I seriously think you have gotten me confused with someone
> else again. You did it before and thought I was a young cook. I am
> 55 years old. I started cooking at around 3-4 years old, was baking
> with no assistance and making candies that required boiling by age 8
> with no assistance. Was making lemon sherbet with no ice cream maker
> by about age 10. Was also making my own tortillas. My mom sent my
> friend and I to cooking classes when we were 12. I declined after 2
> lessons because she was not showing us things that we wanted to make
> and was just showing us things that we already knew how to make.
>
> I am saying that a family of 4 can eat for that cheaply depending on
> where they live and other circumstances. No, they can not
> necessarily eat what they want but it is doable.
>
> And who said anything about help? I did not ask for any sort of help
> in this thread. I just said what I ate when I had no money. I was
> 19 years old then and that was the 1970's.
>
> I could still do it now and I have. When my husband was getting to
> retire from the military and we didn't know when he would get his VA
> money (and he is still owed some...not complaining just saying), or
> when or where he would get a job, I laid in a large stock of beans,
> rice and canned vegetables. Also some frozen ones even though those
> are not my first choice. I had the freezer then. We were able to
> eat for very little money. I know how to read shelf labels and
> package labels and where to buy food for cheap. That may involve
> going to Costco, Winco or even Smart and Final/Cash and Carry. What I
> serve may not be everyone's favorite meal except perhaps mine because
> I do love my beans. But nobody would dare accuse me of serving meals
> that are not nutritionally balanced. That's just not something I do!

Busted, Half what you list didnt EXIST then.

Sorry but it's to entertaining to watch you twist the story to kill
file you but most sensible people have.

You are bogus. Your whole post shows it.



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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 14:49:55 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> We had Spaghetti Red a lot growing up which is akin to HH.
>
> Never heard of that. Spaghetti red always means inexpensive red table
> wine to me.

You haven't been reading my posts then. I have posted of it countless times
before.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaghetti_Red

I also posted why my family used macaroni instead of spaghetti. One of the
female Italian chefs (Lidia?) spoke of this and said that per serving,
macaroni worked out to be cheaper than spaghetti. My mom only made it this
way because her mom did. But the use of spaghetti noodles is more typical.

I did not realize that what my mom was making was essentially chili because
when she actually made chili, she put beans in it. So when I hear of chili
mac, which actually is what we were eating, it sounded bad to me. Because I
presumed it was chili with beans with macaroni mixed in.

On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 20:03:48 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 14:49:55 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> We had Spaghetti Red a lot growing up which is akin to HH.
> >
> > Never heard of that. Spaghetti red always means inexpensive red table
> > wine to me.
>
> You haven't been reading my posts then. I have posted of it countless times
> before.

Let me rephrase. I haven't heard a flesh and blood person talk about
it, nor have I ever seen it on a store shelf.
>


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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 20:03:48 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 14:49:55 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> We had Spaghetti Red a lot growing up which is akin to HH.
>> >
>> > Never heard of that. Spaghetti red always means inexpensive red table
>> > wine to me.
>>
>> You haven't been reading my posts then. I have posted of it countless
>> times
>> before.
>
> Let me rephrase. I haven't heard a flesh and blood person talk about
> it, nor have I ever seen it on a store shelf.

You won't find it on a store shelf. AFAIK you have to make it yourself But
your not finding things on a store shelf is rather meaningless. You didn't
know of Boca burgers. Or cooked chicken.

On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 20:39:45 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 20:03:48 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "sf" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 14:49:55 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> >> > > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> We had Spaghetti Red a lot growing up which is akin to HH.
> >> >
> >> > Never heard of that. Spaghetti red always means inexpensive red table
> >> > wine to me.
> >>
> >> You haven't been reading my posts then. I have posted of it countless
> >> times
> >> before.
> >
> > Let me rephrase. I haven't heard a flesh and blood person talk about
> > it, nor have I ever seen it on a store shelf.
>
> You won't find it on a store shelf. AFAIK you have to make it yourself

So now you're saying it's not a brand. Sheesh. I stand by what I
said. The only spaghetti red I've ever heard anyone talk about is
wine.

> But
> your not finding things on a store shelf is rather meaningless. You didn't
> know of Boca burgers.

So I didn't know a brand, sue me. I still haven't seen it either.
Not that I care, but apparently you do.

> Or cooked chicken.

No idea what that's all about.

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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 20:39:45 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 20:03:48 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> "sf" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 14:49:55 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> We had Spaghetti Red a lot growing up which is akin to HH.
>> >> >
>> >> > Never heard of that. Spaghetti red always means inexpensive red
>> >> > table
>> >> > wine to me.
>> >>
>> >> You haven't been reading my posts then. I have posted of it countless
>> >> times
>> >> before.
>> >
>> > Let me rephrase. I haven't heard a flesh and blood person talk about
>> > it, nor have I ever seen it on a store shelf.
>>
>> You won't find it on a store shelf. AFAIK you have to make it yourself
>
> So now you're saying it's not a brand. Sheesh. I stand by what I
> said. The only spaghetti red I've ever heard anyone talk about is
> wine.

*sigh* I never said it was a brand! I said that we ate it a lot as a child
and it is pretty akin to Hamburger Helper in the ingredients that it uses
and the quickness of preparation. It is a commonly eaten food in some parts
of the country.
>
>> But
>> your not finding things on a store shelf is rather meaningless. You
>> didn't
>> know of Boca burgers.
>
> So I didn't know a brand, sue me. I still haven't seen it either.
> Not that I care, but apparently you do.

I don't care. Just saying that the fact that you don't know if it doesn't
mean much.
>
>> Or cooked chicken.
>
> No idea what that's all about.

How soon you forget. A few weeks or perhaps it was a few months ago you
posted that you had found cooked chicken breast to use in your enchiladas.
That has been available for years but you said you had just discovered it.

On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 22:14:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> *sigh* I never said it was a brand! I said that we ate it a lot as a child
> and it is pretty akin to Hamburger Helper in the ingredients that it uses
> and the quickness of preparation. It is a commonly eaten food in some parts
> of the country.

Well in THAT case, you can surely understand that I have only heard it
in reference to red wine.

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All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 22:14:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> How soon you forget. A few weeks or perhaps it was a few months ago you
> posted that you had found cooked chicken breast to use in your enchiladas.
> That has been available for years but you said you had just discovered it.

What???? No I didn't. If I talked about using cooked chicken it was
because I'd used leftover rotisserie chicken.

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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 22:14:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> *sigh* I never said it was a brand! I said that we ate it a lot as a
>> child
>> and it is pretty akin to Hamburger Helper in the ingredients that it uses
>> and the quickness of preparation. It is a commonly eaten food in some
>> parts
>> of the country.
>
> Well in THAT case, you can surely understand that I have only heard it
> in reference to red wine.
>
I have posted of it many times here prior and am pretty sure that you
responded but I'm not going to look it up.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 22:14:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> How soon you forget. A few weeks or perhaps it was a few months ago you
>> posted that you had found cooked chicken breast to use in your
>> enchiladas.
>> That has been available for years but you said you had just discovered
>> it.
>
> What???? No I didn't. If I talked about using cooked chicken it was
> because I'd used leftover rotisserie chicken.

I know that you did. Several people discussed it with you. You said that
you found it and it would be handy for enchiladas. I have no clue how to
look that up and I'm not inclined to look stuff up but I know that you said
it.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 22:14:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> How soon you forget. A few weeks or perhaps it was a few months ago you
>> posted that you had found cooked chicken breast to use in your
>> enchiladas.
>> That has been available for years but you said you had just discovered
>> it.
>
> What???? No I didn't. If I talked about using cooked chicken it was
> because I'd used leftover rotisserie chicken.
>
> --
> All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

Okay, here it is. I have to quote it as I found it via search on my
newsreader. Not gonna take the time to google it.

"
My kids made it abundantly clear to me that I'm not one for ready made
foods or keep any significant quantity of fully cooked food on hand...
because they told me a story about when they were teenagers. One of
my son's best friends remarked to him upon surveying my stuffed
refrigerator: There's lots of food, but nothing to eat!

That said, I do admit to not paying attention to what's available in
the deli section or the inner aisles for that matter, so you can only
imagine my surprise when I discovered shredded chicken in the deli
refrigerator case. I'm hoping it's a regular item because it would
certainly shave some time off making certain dishes like enchilada
stuffed zucchini where I had to thaw and cook a couple of chicken
thighs so I could shred them - just to get going with the recipe.


--

Good Food.
Good Friends.
Good Memories."

On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 22:28:56 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 22:14:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> *sigh* I never said it was a brand! I said that we ate it a lot as a
> >> child
> >> and it is pretty akin to Hamburger Helper in the ingredients that it uses
> >> and the quickness of preparation. It is a commonly eaten food in some
> >> parts
> >> of the country.
> >
> > Well in THAT case, you can surely understand that I have only heard it
> > in reference to red wine.
> >
> I have posted of it many times here prior and am pretty sure that you
> responded but I'm not going to look it up.

Nor do I care. You're the one who cruises premade food, not me.

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On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 22:30:11 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 22:14:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> How soon you forget. A few weeks or perhaps it was a few months ago you
> >> posted that you had found cooked chicken breast to use in your
> >> enchiladas.
> >> That has been available for years but you said you had just discovered
> >> it.
> >
> > What???? No I didn't. If I talked about using cooked chicken it was
> > because I'd used leftover rotisserie chicken.
>
> I know that you did. Several people discussed it with you. You said that
> you found it and it would be handy for enchiladas. I have no clue how to
> look that up and I'm not inclined to look stuff up but I know that you said
> it.

OIC the big IF. Well, that changes everything. So they got a new
item in and I commented. Whoop tee do.

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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 22:28:56 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 22:14:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> *sigh* I never said it was a brand! I said that we ate it a lot as a
>> >> child
>> >> and it is pretty akin to Hamburger Helper in the ingredients that it
>> >> uses
>> >> and the quickness of preparation. It is a commonly eaten food in some
>> >> parts
>> >> of the country.
>> >
>> > Well in THAT case, you can surely understand that I have only heard it
>> > in reference to red wine.
>> >
>> I have posted of it many times here prior and am pretty sure that you
>> responded but I'm not going to look it up.
>
> Nor do I care. You're the one who cruises premade food, not me.

I cruise premade food? Not sure what that is supposed to mean. And is
there any harm in looking at what is being sold? No.

Spaghetti Red is not pre-made food. It is made from scratch. And if you
were my grandma, that tomato sauce would be made from scratch. And the
tomatoes were grown in her garden. No, she didn't make the macaroni and I
would venture to guess that most people don't make their own macaroni. Did
she butcher her own cow to get the ground beef? Sometimes. I'll bet most
people don't do that either.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 22:30:11 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 22:14:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> How soon you forget. A few weeks or perhaps it was a few months ago
>> >> you
>> >> posted that you had found cooked chicken breast to use in your
>> >> enchiladas.
>> >> That has been available for years but you said you had just discovered
>> >> it.
>> >
>> > What???? No I didn't. If I talked about using cooked chicken it was
>> > because I'd used leftover rotisserie chicken.
>>
>> I know that you did. Several people discussed it with you. You said
>> that
>> you found it and it would be handy for enchiladas. I have no clue how to
>> look that up and I'm not inclined to look stuff up but I know that you
>> said
>> it.
>
> OIC the big IF. Well, that changes everything. So they got a new
> item in and I commented. Whoop tee do.
>
I'll repost it for you again.

"
My kids made it abundantly clear to me that I'm not one for ready made
foods or keep any significant quantity of fully cooked food on hand...
because they told me a story about when they were teenagers. One of
my son's best friends remarked to him upon surveying my stuffed
refrigerator: There's lots of food, but nothing to eat!

That said, I do admit to not paying attention to what's available in
the deli section or the inner aisles for that matter, so you can only
imagine my surprise when I discovered shredded chicken in the deli
refrigerator case. I'm hoping it's a regular item because it would
certainly shave some time off making certain dishes like enchilada
stuffed zucchini where I had to thaw and cook a couple of chicken
thighs so I could shred them - just to get going with the recipe.


--

Good Food.
Good Friends.
Good Memories."

My point is... You don't even remember what you saw. Or that you commented
on it. So... Your having not seen something in a store is meaningless
because you don't even remember what you have seen.

On 7/17/2014 5:34 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> news
>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 06:12:41 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> When did Hamburger Helper start coming in cans? The last time I
>>> noticed it on a shelf, it was a box
>>> package with some pasta and a seasoning/sauce packet.
>>>
>>> N.
>>
>> It would help if you could quote what you're talking about. Where did
>> he say Hamburger Helper came in cans? He was talking about Kraft Mac
>> n Cheese in a microwavable cup.
>
> Somebody said that it came in cans. I can't remember who now but I
> think it was someone who isn't in this country.

It was Sheldon, who most certainly is in the USA. I think he was
thinking of Manwich or some such thing.

Jill

On 7/17/2014 3:47 PM, Gary wrote:
> Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> "Julie Bove" wrote:
>>> It's an all in one meal. Contains a starch such as potatoes, rice or
>>> pasta. All of these things are precooked and dried. You brown your own
>>> ground beef, then add the dried sauce packet, some water and your starch.
>>> Cook for a few more minutes and it's done.
>>
>> It sounds dreadful!
>
> They are actually pretty tasty. Julie is clueless. I've never had on
> with pototoes or rice. It's always egg noodles.
>
> Jill is against the flavoring packet but I'll bet they flavor it
> better than her homemade sauce does.
>
> Or not. I've asked her to recipe a flavoring. Let's see what she
> comes up with.
>
I posted a method. There is no "recipe" for homemade HH because what
you use to season your sauce depends on the end result you're hoping
for. There are, apparently, a dozen varieties of Hamburger Helper.

Jill

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...

> When I was a kid I didn't mind the cheeseburger one so much. And believe
> me when I say that we had a lot of dinners that I flat out would not eat.
> Like the poached fish and liver. That being said, this is not a product I
> would ever choose to eat.

That came in a box??

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