Remington 7 wrote:
>
> On 7/18/2014 12:01 PM, Gary wrote:
> > Actually, he does have a real job now...actor for
> > Discovery Channel. **** him and all trappers. it's an evil
> > occupation. I send all trappers over to Bryan who will come up with
> > an appropriate death for these worthless people.
> >
> > G.
>
> You're a bloodthirsty asshole, aren't you?
>
> Problem is, you go after your own species.

Quite a few of my own species are not worthy of living and I have no
mercy for many of them. Ones that trap animals these days are just a
small part. Bite me!

G.

On 7/21/2014 1:41 PM, Gary wrote:
> Remington 7 wrote:
>>
>> Trapping is legal and trapping is historically sound game management.
>
> It's unnecessary now

Nope.

Trapping is a vital means of varmint control.

> and an evil way to kill animals.

That's a subjective call.

> Shoot animals
> for game management but not trapping. no.

Here's a clue, animals don't always show up to be shot.

They can be sneaky, have a wide range, come at odd hours, etc.

If you had a skunk after your property, would you go hunting it, or trap it?

Think carefully, human-killer.

>> You're a bigot, a fool, and a human-hating sociopath, and that's just
>> for starters.
>
> And you show up here as total moron. Idiot. Are you Ted N?

I have no clue who that is.

But I know I've put more reality on your plate that your hypocritical
ferret-loving ass can handle, killer.

> I hope you get your foot snapped in a bear trap some day. See how it
> feels, pal.
>
> G.

I'm sure you do, sociopath.

Why don't you just go leg trap all the humans who disagree with you?

But it looks like you won't get your buddy Bryan to administer the kill
shot for you, coward.

Go back to your shrink-wrapped meat trays, you raving sociopathic misfit.

On 7/21/2014 1:44 PM, Gary wrote:
> Remington 7 wrote:
>>
>> On 7/18/2014 12:01 PM, Gary wrote:
>>> Actually, he does have a real job now...actor for
>>> Discovery Channel. **** him and all trappers. it's an evil
>>> occupation. I send all trappers over to Bryan who will come up with
>>> an appropriate death for these worthless people.
>>>
>>> G.
>>
>> You're a bloodthirsty asshole, aren't you?
>>
>> Problem is, you go after your own species.
>
> Quite a few of my own species are not worthy of living and I have no
> mercy for many of them.

You're way far into that god complex, aren't you killer?

> Ones that trap animals these days are just a
> small part. Bite me!
>
> G.

Sorry, I don't eat long pig, that's more on your hypocritical menu, killer.

Remington 7 wrote:
>
> On 7/18/2014 2:01 PM, Gary wrote:
> > notbob wrote:
> >>
> >> At least a trapped
> >> animal lives free until it dies.
> >
> > Yeah...in extreme pain and terror until the trapper decides to check
> > his traps the next day or two.
> >
> > G.
> >
> You think animals raised for commercial slaughter don't see terror?

The might forsee death and experience terror but they don't feel pain
and agony for a day or so before death.

You're trolling me well but you are an idiot. I should stop now. heheh

On 7/21/2014 2:05 PM, Gary wrote:
> Remington 7 wrote:
>>
>> On 7/18/2014 2:01 PM, Gary wrote:
>>> notbob wrote:
>>>>
>>>> At least a trapped
>>>> animal lives free until it dies.
>>>
>>> Yeah...in extreme pain and terror until the trapper decides to check
>>> his traps the next day or two.
>>>
>>> G.
>>>
>> You think animals raised for commercial slaughter don't see terror?
>
> The might forsee death and experience terror but they don't feel pain
> and agony for a day or so before death.

You have no clue how chickens are raised, do you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCBtkVSk3OU

Jamie Oliver hosts a gala dinner to demonstrate the reality of how
chickens live and die to put food on our plates. He turns ringmaster to
tackle an issue that raises difficult questions about animal welfare.

(there are 8 more chapters, I dare you to watch them and then ever order
a chicken "nugget" again, let alone eat ata KFC)

> You're trolling me well but you are an idiot. I should stop now. heheh

You refuse to admit that commercial animal production is inhumane.

You seem to have no clue what free range means.

Yet you anthropomorphize your relationship with your ferret and actually
think raising a wolverine for a pet is acceptable!

You're a total nutbag and someone with some serious mental issues to
work out.

We all know you want to kill people, so why the holier than thou BS on
animals?

Tom Oar kills for a living and to subsist.

You choose to kill people for personal spite.

That's sicker than hell.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> You're trolling me well but you are an idiot. I should stop now. heheh

Really Gary, and it's not even a good troll. :-)

Cheri

On Monday, July 21, 2014 2:28:41 PM UTC-5, Remington 7 wrote:
> On 7/21/2014 12:52 PM, Gary wrote:
>
> > Remington 7 wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> And there is need when the meat gets eaten and the hide tanned out.
>
> >>
>
> >> Live with it, pansy.
>
> >>
>
> >>>> The animal is providing food and clothing. No polyesters were killed in
>
> >>>> the filming. No oil was extracted from the earth to make artificial
>
> >>>> clothing.
>
> >
>
> > Does anyone here have any animal hides?
>
>
>
> I might.
>
I *do*. I own a rabbit fur coat and several leather jackets.
>
> > Not me.
>
>
>
> Well that's you, not me.
>
>
>
> > No fur coats or any need for them.
>
>
>
> I wear leathers when I ride because I prefer them to synthetics, ymmv.
>
Riding a motorcycle without *real* leather is foolhardy.
>
> Get it?
>
>
>
> > We have better coat materials now.
>
>
>
> So what?
>
>
>
> Leather keeps me from getting road rash.
>
It is better than any synthetic, besides, leather is a by-product of beef,
not the other way around.
>
> > And I don't want some animal fur on my livingroom carpet, nor some head
> > hung on my wall.
>
Wool carpet is nice, but heads on walls look ridiculous.
>
> Your life, your call.
>
>
>
> Get it?
>
>
>
> > This said.... My problem is with trappers, not hunters in general.
>
> > Trappers are the lowest form of human debris.
>
>
>
> Trapping goes back to the earliest days of our nation.
>
So does chattel slavery. Bad argument.
>
> It is also used to cull destructive varmints.
>
Which is good, but traps should be designed to kill swiftly.
>
> > You go out with a gun, find and animal and kill it quickly. I have no
>
> > problem with that.
>
>
>
> And it's all about you isn't it?
>
>
>
> > Trappers, on the other hand, set traps then come back 24-48 hours
>
> > later. Meanwhile, those little creatures don't die quickly.
>
>
>
> Some may not.
>
>
>
> > They have
>
> > their leg crushed in a trap and spend up to 48 hours in pain and agony
>
> > until good ol' mr.trapper comes along and kills it.
>
>
>
> Define "up to".
>
Bullshit extremist arguments. Both of you are off of opposite deep ends.
>
> > And they are only
>
> > doing that for the fur. They might eat some of the meat but don't kid
>
> > yourself that it's for food.
>
>
>
> Unless they're short of meat, probably not in most cases.
>
>
>
> > That swamp alligator trapping is so evil too. I'd like to kill all of
>
> > those inbred swamp hillbillies.
>
>
>
> Yeah, you have whole lots of folks you'd like to kill.
>
>
>
> Do you even get what a raving sociopathic hypocrite you are?
>
You don't have to be a sociopath to want to kill. Think of folks in the
military. They kill, and are respected for doing so because they are
motivated by a desire to affiliate with bullshit nationalism, which seems
OK to folks who might otherwise consider killing to be murder. For a
person to want to kill for his/her own values seems more authentic that
killing because someone else ordered you to.
>
> I ask because it seems you have no clue at all, killer.
>
>
>
> > How would you like to bite into a
>
> > hamburger and find a 3-prongsd hook lodged in your mouth.
>
>
>
> How would you like to be herded into a commercial kill plant with a
>
> cattle prod over shit and blood covered floors and then have a kill
>
> stick applied to your head?
>
>
>
> > And then
>
> > you have to wait up to 24 hours in pain and terror before some
>
> > good-ol-boy shows up to shoot you in the head.
>
> >
>
> > G.
>
>
>
> How long would you let Tom Oar set before you put one through his eyes,
>
> killer?
>
>
>
> You are one sick blood thirsty mofo!
>
>
>
> Don't even pretend to care about the sanctity of life anymore or tell us
>
> your stupid ferret tales.
>
>
>
> You're a killer, the same as you dislike.
>
I don't think that Gary was so much objecting to killing as the method.
>
> You just want to take out your own kind.
>
>
>
> Sick.

Wanting to kill another human is not necessarily "sick".

--Bryan

On Monday, July 21, 2014 2:31:12 PM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>
>
> I'd like to trap Tom, let him suffer in the trap for 24-48 hours,
>
Killing isn't sick, but torture *is*. Fun maybe, but sick.
>
> then shoot him in his bearded head, then feed him to a wolverine
> family of 6.
>
Please do not teach wolverines to develop a taste for human. That is wrong.
>
> G.

--Bryan

On 7/21/2014 3:26 PM, Cheri wrote:
>
> "Gary" > wrote in message ...
>> You're trolling me well but you are an idiot. I should stop now. heheh
>
> Really Gary, and it's not even a good troll. :-)
>
> Cheri

You support killing your fellow humans too?

On 7/21/2014 4:16 PM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
> On Monday, July 21, 2014 2:28:41 PM UTC-5, Remington 7 wrote:
>> On 7/21/2014 12:52 PM, Gary wrote:
>>
>>> Remington 7 wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> And there is need when the meat gets eaten and the hide tanned out.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Live with it, pansy.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>>> The animal is providing food and clothing. No polyesters were killed in
>>
>>>>>> the filming. No oil was extracted from the earth to make artificial
>>
>>>>>> clothing.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Does anyone here have any animal hides?
>>
>>
>>
>> I might.
>>
> I *do*. I own a rabbit fur coat and several leather jackets.

Oh boy, now you're on the approved kill list too.

>>
>>> Not me.
>>
>>
>>
>> Well that's you, not me.
>>
>>
>>
>>> No fur coats or any need for them.
>>
>>
>>
>> I wear leathers when I ride because I prefer them to synthetics, ymmv.
>>
> Riding a motorcycle without *real* leather is foolhardy.

I agree.

But I think those Kevlar suits are pretty safe too.

Buddy of mine has been down a few times and come back without marks.

>>
>> Get it?
>>
>>
>>
>>> We have better coat materials now.
>>
>>
>>
>> So what?
>>
>>
>>
>> Leather keeps me from getting road rash.
>>
> It is better than any synthetic, besides, leather is a by-product of beef,
> not the other way around.

True enough, and chicks dig it, or seem to.

>>
>>> And I don't want some animal fur on my livingroom carpet, nor some head
>>> hung on my wall.
>>
> Wool carpet is nice, but heads on walls look ridiculous.

True that.

>>
>> Your life, your call.
>>
>>
>>
>> Get it?
>>
>>
>>
>>> This said.... My problem is with trappers, not hunters in general.
>>
>>> Trappers are the lowest form of human debris.
>>
>>
>>
>> Trapping goes back to the earliest days of our nation.
>>
> So does chattel slavery. Bad argument.

Slavery never progressed to cannibalism though.

Animals got skinned, tanned, and et.

Slaves, not so much.

>>
>> It is also used to cull destructive varmints.
>>
> Which is good, but traps should be designed to kill swiftly.

That can be tough to engineer in due to sizing.

There's only so much a man can carry in his pack.

>>
>>> You go out with a gun, find and animal and kill it quickly. I have no
>>
>>> problem with that.
>>
>>
>>
>> And it's all about you isn't it?
>>
>>
>>
>>> Trappers, on the other hand, set traps then come back 24-48 hours
>>
>>> later. Meanwhile, those little creatures don't die quickly.
>>
>>
>>
>> Some may not.
>>
>>
>>
>>> They have
>>
>>> their leg crushed in a trap and spend up to 48 hours in pain and agony
>>
>>> until good ol' mr.trapper comes along and kills it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Define "up to".
>>
> Bullshit extremist arguments. Both of you are off of opposite deep ends.

I'm not extreme.

I'm listing the realities of trapping and subsistence hunting.

>>
>>> And they are only
>>
>>> doing that for the fur. They might eat some of the meat but don't kid
>>
>>> yourself that it's for food.
>>
>>
>>
>> Unless they're short of meat, probably not in most cases.
>>
>>
>>
>>> That swamp alligator trapping is so evil too. I'd like to kill all of
>>
>>> those inbred swamp hillbillies.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah, you have whole lots of folks you'd like to kill.
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you even get what a raving sociopathic hypocrite you are?
>>
> You don't have to be a sociopath to want to kill.

As quickly as he went straight to it?

Come on.

> Think of folks in the
> military.

Think of cops.

> They kill, and are respected for doing so because they are
> motivated by a desire to affiliate with bullshit nationalism,

Serving one's country isn't "bullshit nationalism".

Plenty of military folks have openly questioned the missions and
mustered out.

> which seems
> OK to folks who might otherwise consider killing to be murder. For a
> person to want to kill for his/her own values seems more authentic that
> killing because someone else ordered you to.

So his personal values trump my legal rights?

Really?

You might want to think that one through more clearly.

>>
>> I ask because it seems you have no clue at all, killer.
>>
>>
>>
>>> How would you like to bite into a
>>
>>> hamburger and find a 3-prongsd hook lodged in your mouth.
>>
>>
>>
>> How would you like to be herded into a commercial kill plant with a
>>
>> cattle prod over shit and blood covered floors and then have a kill
>>
>> stick applied to your head?
>>
>>
>>
>>> And then
>>
>>> you have to wait up to 24 hours in pain and terror before some
>>
>>> good-ol-boy shows up to shoot you in the head.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> G.
>>
>>
>>
>> How long would you let Tom Oar set before you put one through his eyes,
>>
>> killer?
>>
>>
>>
>> You are one sick blood thirsty mofo!
>>
>>
>>
>> Don't even pretend to care about the sanctity of life anymore or tell us
>>
>> your stupid ferret tales.
>>
>>
>>
>> You're a killer, the same as you dislike.
>>
> I don't think that Gary was so much objecting to killing as the method.

That's dancing on the head of a pin.

He's fine with factory food, killed and packaged, but wanted to deny
frontiersmen the right to subsist in nature.

>>
>> You just want to take out your own kind.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sick.
>
> Wanting to kill another human is not necessarily "sick".
>
> --Bryan

When it comes down to a simple dislike of trapping or subsistence meat
gathering?

Yeah, it really is.

On 7/21/2014 4:20 PM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
> On Monday, July 21, 2014 2:31:12 PM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>>
>>
>> I'd like to trap Tom, let him suffer in the trap for 24-48 hours,
>>
> Killing isn't sick, but torture *is*. Fun maybe, but sick.
>>
>> then shoot him in his bearded head, then feed him to a wolverine
>> family of 6.
>>
> Please do not teach wolverines to develop a taste for human. That is wrong.

You seem to think he's joking.

I don't.

"Remington 7" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/21/2014 3:26 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>
>> "Gary" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> You're trolling me well but you are an idiot. I should stop now. heheh
>>
>> Really Gary, and it's not even a good troll. :-)
>>
>> Cheri
>
> You support killing your fellow humans too?

Animals have no choice, people do, and I absolutely would choose any animal
over some humans. I used to hunt when I was a kid, but I no longer care to
do that. I have nothing against others hunting for food, but killing animals
should always be humane, leg traps and the like are not. Google animal leg
traps to see the suffering. Would anyone want an animal to suffer like that?


Cheri

On 7/21/2014 5:48 PM, Cheri wrote:
>
> "Remington 7" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 7/21/2014 3:26 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>>
>>> "Gary" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> You're trolling me well but you are an idiot. I should stop now. heheh
>>>
>>> Really Gary, and it's not even a good troll. :-)
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>> You support killing your fellow humans too?
>
> Animals have no choice, people do, and I absolutely would choose any
> animal over some humans.

Nice.

So "any animal" eh?

Even a Grizzly poised to snack on you?

Would you choose "any animal" over a mountain man like Tom Oar?

Do you think he's so bad a person as to deserve a whim execution as Gary
and Paul support?

> I used to hunt when I was a kid, but I no
> longer care to do that.

Your call.

> I have nothing against others hunting for food,
> but killing animals should always be humane, leg traps and the like are
> not. Google animal leg traps to see the suffering. Would anyone want an
> animal to suffer like that?
>
>
> Cheri

This has been explained.

Some smaller animals are almost entirely nocturnal and very irregular in
their travel.

A beaver for instance almost has to be trapped as they spook easily and
submerge underwater into their dens.

A wolverine is so feral and canny that even a skilled hunter would stand
almost zero chance of field-stalking and killing one.

We can explore if there are traps which could be immediately lethal in
design, but frankly even the best re-engineered mouse and rat traps are
not 100% lethal on activation.

On 7/21/2014 2:38 PM, Gary wrote:

> They will often take the head and the fur and leave all
> the meat for other animals to eat.

Is that a bad thing? Animals kill each other for food all the time

On Monday, July 21, 2014 5:41:14 PM UTC-5, Remington 7 wrote:
> On 7/21/2014 4:16 PM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
>
> > On Monday, July 21, 2014 2:28:41 PM UTC-5, Remington 7 wrote:
>
> >> On 7/21/2014 12:52 PM, Gary wrote:
>
>
> >>> Trappers are the lowest form of human debris.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> Trapping goes back to the earliest days of our nation.
>
> >>
>
> > So does chattel slavery. Bad argument.
>
>
>
> Slavery never progressed to cannibalism though.
>
>
>
> Animals got skinned, tanned, and et.
>
>
>
> Slaves, not so much.
>
Some slaves were skinned alive to instill fear.
>
> > Think of folks in the military.
>
>
>
> Think of cops.
>
Folks sometimes join the pigs for noble reasons, but mostly it's just
****ing bullies who like to be the big man.
>
> > They kill, and are respected for doing so because they are
>
> > motivated by a desire to affiliate with bullshit nationalism,
>
>
>
> Serving one's country isn't "bullshit nationalism".
>
Yes, it is. It is chumpdom. ****ing contemptible working class dolts
shipped off to Viet Nam to fight for Capitalism while the sons of the
rich stayed home on college deferments, and stuck their dicks into the
working class girls. Chumps. Fools. Suckers.

If I'd been older, and had been drafted, I'd have been in front of a
Polaroid with a dick in my mouth faster than you could say, "Joe McCarthy's
grave," and I am quite hetero.

"One's country." That's laughable unless you mean the 1%'s country.
>
>
> > which seems
>
> > OK to folks who might otherwise consider killing to be murder. For a
>
> > person to want to kill for his/her own values seems more authentic that
>
> > killing because someone else ordered you to.
>
>
>
> So his personal values trump my legal rights?
>
What constitutes a "right", and what is a *privilege* is subjective.
>
> Really?
>
>
>
> You might want to think that one through more clearly.
>
**** laws. If you expect me to obey laws out of respect, rather than fear/practicality, you obviously don't know me.

OH, AND GARY, YOU DO REALIZE THAT IF SARAH PALIN READ THIS THREAD
SHE'D HAVE YOU DRIVEN OUT OF THE G.O.P. ON A RAIL? RIGHT?
>
--Bryan

On 7/21/2014 3:31 PM, Gary wrote:

> I'd like to trap Tom, let him suffer in the trap for 24-48 hours, then
> shoot him in his bearded head, then feed him to a wolverine family of
> 6.
>
> G.
>

Wow, you are a sick man. I hope we never meet in person.

On 7/21/2014 7:01 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 7/21/2014 2:38 PM, Gary wrote:
>
>> They will often take the head and the fur and leave all
>> the meat for other animals to eat.
>
> Is that a bad thing? Animals kill each other for food all the time
>

It's a lie thing - his.

On 7/21/2014 7:19 PM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
> On Monday, July 21, 2014 5:41:14 PM UTC-5, Remington 7 wrote:
>> On 7/21/2014 4:16 PM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, July 21, 2014 2:28:41 PM UTC-5, Remington 7 wrote:
>>
>>>> On 7/21/2014 12:52 PM, Gary wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>> Trappers are the lowest form of human debris.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Trapping goes back to the earliest days of our nation.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>> So does chattel slavery. Bad argument.
>>
>>
>>
>> Slavery never progressed to cannibalism though.
>>
>>
>>
>> Animals got skinned, tanned, and et.
>>
>>
>>
>> Slaves, not so much.
>>
> Some slaves were skinned alive to instill fear.

The word being "some", as in not that many.

Assets and all ya know...

>>
>>> Think of folks in the military.
>>
>>
>>
>> Think of cops.
>>
> Folks sometimes join the pigs for noble reasons, but mostly it's just
> ****ing bullies who like to be the big man.

You must have had a lot of police troubles I sense....

>>
>>> They kill, and are respected for doing so because they are
>>
>>> motivated by a desire to affiliate with bullshit nationalism,
>>
>>
>>
>> Serving one's country isn't "bullshit nationalism".
>>
> Yes, it is.

No it is not.

> It is chumpdom.

I've never thought of the people who defend our freedoms as "chumps",
you worthless little shit.

> ****ing contemptible working class dolts
> shipped off to Viet Nam to fight for Capitalism while the sons of the
> rich stayed home on college deferments, and stuck their dicks into the
> working class girls. Chumps. Fools. Suckers.

Oh I get it, you're another aging boomer who never got over 'Nam.

Grow up, fool.

> If I'd been older, and had been drafted, I'd have been in front of a
> Polaroid with a dick in my mouth faster than you could say, "Joe McCarthy's
> grave," and I am quite hetero.

So you'd have us believe...

Btw, it's a good 40 years later now - stop living in the past off your
hatred.

> "One's country." That's laughable unless you mean the 1%'s country.

No, if I'd meant that I'd have said so, shithead.

>>
>>
>>> which seems
>>
>>> OK to folks who might otherwise consider killing to be murder. For a
>>
>>> person to want to kill for his/her own values seems more authentic that
>>
>>> killing because someone else ordered you to.
>>
>>
>>
>> So his personal values trump my legal rights?
>>
> What constitutes a "right", and what is a *privilege* is subjective.

Go tell that to a Judge in a court of law, fool.

Or maybe you already have.

>>
>> Really?
>>
>>
>>
>> You might want to think that one through more clearly.
>>
> **** laws.

**** you too, you anarchist POS.

> If you expect me to obey laws out of respect, rather than fear/practicality, you obviously don't know me.

I don't want to know you either.

Scum like you make Gary's blood lust seem almost called for.

> OH, AND GARY, YOU DO REALIZE THAT IF SARAH PALIN READ THIS THREAD
> SHE'D HAVE YOU DRIVEN OUT OF THE G.O.P. ON A RAIL? RIGHT?
>>
> --Bryan

Yeah, you're a broken record POS.

Do life a favor, eat some warm lead.

On 7/21/2014 7:32 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 7/21/2014 3:31 PM, Gary wrote:
>
>> I'd like to trap Tom, let him suffer in the trap for 24-48 hours, then
>> shoot him in his bearded head, then feed him to a wolverine family of
>> 6.
>>
>> G.
>>
>
> Wow, you are a sick man. I hope we never meet in person.

I'll second that motion, and steer clear of that anarchist psycho Bryan too.

On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 13:40:59 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>> Then you'll love this one... somewhere in Florida is a game preserve for
>> hunters. (I know, there's more than one) I saw video of a hunt where
>> they had about 10 dogs tree a full grown tiger (farm raised, of course).
>> Then they brought some ignorant fatass up out of a jeep and let him
>> shoot the tiger out of the tree. Hard to say what part of that is the
>> most degenerate.

How about a variation on "shooting fish in a barrel"?

Many years ago I read about a farm or a ranch or somesuch with a pond
whose owner raised ducks on the pond. The birds were conditioned with
a loud sound of some sort at feeding time so that when they heard the
sound they came flocking to the pond. The owner sold licenses to
"hunters", who installed themselves around the pond.

--
Bob
www.kanyak.com

PC, what you and some others have so eloquently demonstrated, you know very little about many hunters,
what they know about the animals they hunt, the relevant laws they respect, the sustenance lifestyle and
a whole raft of other issues within the topic of hunting. You make wild generalizations which just show
what you don't know. Finally, I did not say I was defending hunting for pleasure.

Just curious: Do you feel the same way about fishing? It is done even more frequently for pleasure, is
it not?

N.

On 7/21/2014 9:52 PM, Opinicus wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 13:40:59 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>> Then you'll love this one... somewhere in Florida is a game preserve for
>>> hunters. (I know, there's more than one) I saw video of a hunt where
>>> they had about 10 dogs tree a full grown tiger (farm raised, of course).
>>> Then they brought some ignorant fatass up out of a jeep and let him
>>> shoot the tiger out of the tree. Hard to say what part of that is the
>>> most degenerate.
>
> How about a variation on "shooting fish in a barrel"?
>
> Many years ago I read about a farm or a ranch or somesuch with a pond
> whose owner raised ducks on the pond. The birds were conditioned with
> a loud sound of some sort at feeding time so that when they heard the
> sound they came flocking to the pond. The owner sold licenses to
> "hunters", who installed themselves around the pond.
>
If it's legal and they end up cooked and eaten, who cares?

Do you freak out if your kid goes to a for-pay fish pond and catches
some pan fish?

On 7/22/2014 6:32 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
> PC, what you and some others have so eloquently demonstrated, you know very little about many hunters,
> what they know about the animals they hunt, the relevant laws they respect, the sustenance lifestyle and
> a whole raft of other issues within the topic of hunting. You make wild generalizations which just show
> what you don't know. Finally, I did not say I was defending hunting for pleasure.
>
> Just curious: Do you feel the same way about fishing? It is done even more frequently for pleasure, is
> it not?
>
> N.
>
The degree to which an animal becomes more warm-blooded, furry, etc.
defines their misplaced emotional angst.

They are speciation bigots.

I wonder how many have used bug spray or stepped on ants?

"Remington 7" > wrote in message
...

> I wonder how many have used bug spray or stepped on ants?

Me stepping on them means a very quick death, not a slow agonizing death
like leg traps.

Cheri

On 7/22/2014 10:06 AM, Cheri wrote:
>
> "Remington 7" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> I wonder how many have used bug spray or stepped on ants?
>
> Me stepping on them means a very quick death, not a slow agonizing death
> like leg traps.
>
> Cheri

I guess it all depends, is it a glancing blow, or a direct hit?

Do we know how insects feel pain?

Does spraying for termites mean a slow death for them?

Same for roaches and ants.

On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 11:06:24 AM UTC-5, Cheri wrote:
> "Remington 7" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > I wonder how many have used bug spray or stepped on ants?
>
>
>
> Me stepping on them means a very quick death, not a slow agonizing death
>
> like leg traps.
>
I heard on the radio this morning about rhino poachers, and I have a GREAT IDEA!
Declare large areas game preserves with shoot-on-sight rules. Anyone inside the zone w/o approval would be assumed to be a poacher. Then, sell tickets
for supervised hunts. The prey? Poachers. They could use the revenue for
conservation. I'm sure there'd be folks willing to pay big bucks to hunt the
filthy poachers. Part of the deal could be getting to take trophies, a
taxidermied head, a hand, maybe a penis, possibly even a whole stuffed body.
What a delightful gift for the man who has everything, the most kick-ass
safari ever.
>
> Cheri

--Bryan

On 7/22/2014 12:39 PM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 11:06:24 AM UTC-5, Cheri wrote:
>> "Remington 7" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>>
>>
>>
>>> I wonder how many have used bug spray or stepped on ants?
>>
>>
>>
>> Me stepping on them means a very quick death, not a slow agonizing death
>>
>> like leg traps.
>>
> I heard on the radio this morning about rhino poachers, and I have a GREAT IDEA!
> Declare large areas game preserves with shoot-on-sight rules. Anyone inside the zone w/o approval would be assumed to be a poacher. Then, sell tickets
> for supervised hunts. The prey? Poachers. They could use the revenue for
> conservation. I'm sure there'd be folks willing to pay big bucks to hunt the
> filthy poachers. Part of the deal could be getting to take trophies, a
> taxidermied head, a hand, maybe a penis, possibly even a whole stuffed body.
> What a delightful gift for the man who has everything, the most kick-ass
> safari ever.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> --Bryan
>

How long have you harbored these antisocial tendencies anyway?

Did you develop them from playing violent video games?

http://games.gamepressure.com/game_info.asp?ID=2805
Poacher is a free form game that allows the player to choose their
hunting grounds, and to upgrade their character as time goes by. You
control Roman's destiny as you plot your way through some of the most
dangerous places in the world. Trade your goods on the black market to
gain more money and power!
* Hunt many endangered/dangerous species such as rhinos, tigers, and
elephants to name a few.
* Animals hunt the player. Avoid being dinner for a tiger, or a doormat
for an elephant!

http://www.modthesims.info/archive/i...?t-417595.html
African conservationalists have a "shoot-to-kill" tactic for identified
poachers. Various human rights groups have complained about this. However,

"Some conservation groups regard the protection of the gorilla, rhino
and other endangered species as more important than human life"

(a familiar anti-human refrain)




Were you aware that major African game reserves already have very strict
rules, scientific traps and armed patrols?


http://www.theguardian.com/environme...achers-protect

A game reserve in South Africa has taken the radical step of poisoning
rhino horns so that people risk becoming "seriously ill" if they consume
them.

Sabi Sand said it had injected a mix of parasiticides and indelible pink
dye into more than 100 rhinos' horns over the past 18 months to combat
international poaching syndicates. More than 200 rhinos have been
poached so far this year in South Africa, driven by demand in the far
east, where horn ground into powder is seen as a delicacy or traditional
medicine.

"Consumers of the powdered horn in Asia risk becoming seriously ill from
ingesting a so-called medicinal product, which is now contaminated with
a non-lethal chemical package," said Andrew Parker, chief executive of
the Sabi Sand Wildtuin Association, a group of private landowners in
Mpumalanga province.

The "toxification" process involves tranquilising a rhino, drilling a
hole in its horn then injecting the dye and parasiticides generally used
to control ticks on animals such as horses, cattle and sheep; it is
toxic to humans. "It'll make [people] very ill – nausea, stomach ache,
diarrhoea – it won't kill them," Parker continued. "It will be very
visible, so it would take a very stupid consumer to consume this."

On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 1:58:07 PM UTC-5, Remington 7 wrote:
> On 7/22/2014 12:39 PM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 11:06:24 AM UTC-5, Cheri wrote:
>
> >> "Remington 7" > wrote in message
>
> >>
>
> >> ...
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>> I wonder how many have used bug spray or stepped on ants?
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> Me stepping on them means a very quick death, not a slow agonizing death
>
> >>
>
> >> like leg traps.
>
> >>
>
> > I heard on the radio this morning about rhino poachers, and I have a GREAT IDEA!
>
> > Declare large areas game preserves with shoot-on-sight rules. Anyone inside the zone w/o approval would be assumed to be a poacher. Then, sell tickets
>
> > for supervised hunts. The prey? Poachers. They could use the revenue for
>
> > conservation. I'm sure there'd be folks willing to pay big bucks to hunt the
>
> > filthy poachers. Part of the deal could be getting to take trophies, a
>
> > taxidermied head, a hand, maybe a penis, possibly even a whole stuffed body.
>
> > What a delightful gift for the man who has everything, the most kick-ass
>
> > safari ever.
>
> >>
>
> >> Cheri
>
> >
>
> > --Bryan
>
> >
>
>
>
> How long have you harbored these antisocial tendencies anyway?
>
>
>
> Did you develop them from playing violent video games?
>
I've never played a violent video game, and don't see violence as a game.
>
> African conservationalists have a "shoot-to-kill" tactic for identified
>
> poachers. Various human rights groups have complained about this. However,
>
I don't support those groups, and have actively heckled animal rights
demonstrators
>
> "Some conservation groups regard the protection of the gorilla, rhino
>
> and other endangered species as more important than human life"
>
The life of a poacher is less than worthless.
>
> (a familiar anti-human refrain)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Were you aware that major African game reserves already have very strict
>
> rules, scientific traps and armed patrols?
>
My regime would bring in much needed cash. Lots of folks would pay millions
a pop for the chance to hunt the ultimate prey.
>
> http://www.theguardian.com/environme...achers-protect
>
>
>
> A game reserve in South Africa has taken the radical step of poisoning
>
> rhino horns so that people risk becoming "seriously ill" if they consume
>
> them.
>
>
>
> Sabi Sand said it had injected a mix of parasiticides and indelible pink
>
> dye into more than 100 rhinos' horns over the past 18 months to combat
>
> international poaching syndicates. More than 200 rhinos have been
>
> poached so far this year in South Africa, driven by demand in the far
>
> east, where horn ground into powder is seen as a delicacy or traditional
>
> medicine.
>
>
>
> "Consumers of the powdered horn in Asia risk becoming seriously ill from
>
> ingesting a so-called medicinal product, which is now contaminated with
>
> a non-lethal chemical package," said Andrew Parker, chief executive of
>
> the Sabi Sand Wildtuin Association, a group of private landowners in
>
> Mpumalanga province.
>
**** the "non-lethal" aspect. Pussies.
>
> The "toxification" process involves tranquilising a rhino, drilling a
>
> hole in its horn then injecting the dye and parasiticides generally used
>
> to control ticks on animals such as horses, cattle and sheep; it is
>
> toxic to humans. "It'll make [people] very ill � nausea, stomach ache,
>
> diarrhoea � it won't kill them," Parker continued. "It will be very
>
> visible, so it would take a very stupid consumer to consume this."

They should use better chemicals:
http://www.nature.com/nrurol/journal....2013.186.html
http://www.ansci.cornell.edu/plants/...aflatoxin.html

They should also find ways to create faux rhino horn, contaminate it with
horrible toxins, then find a way to get it into the black market pipeline.

--Bryan

On 7/22/2014 2:13 PM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 1:58:07 PM UTC-5, Remington 7 wrote:
>> On 7/22/2014 12:39 PM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 11:06:24 AM UTC-5, Cheri wrote:
>>
>>>> "Remington 7" > wrote in message
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> ...
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>> I wonder how many have used bug spray or stepped on ants?
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Me stepping on them means a very quick death, not a slow agonizing death
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> like leg traps.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>> I heard on the radio this morning about rhino poachers, and I have a GREAT IDEA!
>>
>>> Declare large areas game preserves with shoot-on-sight rules. Anyone inside the zone w/o approval would be assumed to be a poacher. Then, sell tickets
>>
>>> for supervised hunts. The prey? Poachers. They could use the revenue for
>>
>>> conservation. I'm sure there'd be folks willing to pay big bucks to hunt the
>>
>>> filthy poachers. Part of the deal could be getting to take trophies, a
>>
>>> taxidermied head, a hand, maybe a penis, possibly even a whole stuffed body.
>>
>>> What a delightful gift for the man who has everything, the most kick-ass
>>
>>> safari ever.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Cheri
>>
>>>
>>
>>> --Bryan
>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> How long have you harbored these antisocial tendencies anyway?
>>
>>
>>
>> Did you develop them from playing violent video games?
>>
> I've never played a violent video game, and don't see violence as a game.

Yet you treat it similarly, as in hunting humans.

>>
>> African conservationalists have a "shoot-to-kill" tactic for identified
>>
>> poachers. Various human rights groups have complained about this. However,
>>
> I don't support those groups, and have actively heckled animal rights
> demonstrators

Of course you have.

>>
>> "Some conservation groups regard the protection of the gorilla, rhino
>>
>> and other endangered species as more important than human life"
>>
> The life of a poacher is less than worthless.

What if he has a family to feed and young children?

>>
>> (a familiar anti-human refrain)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Were you aware that major African game reserves already have very strict
>>
>> rules, scientific traps and armed patrols?
>>
> My regime would bring in much needed cash. Lots of folks would pay millions
> a pop for the chance to hunt the ultimate prey.

You're twisted, man.

>>
>> http://www.theguardian.com/environme...achers-protect
>>
>>
>>
>> A game reserve in South Africa has taken the radical step of poisoning
>>
>> rhino horns so that people risk becoming "seriously ill" if they consume
>>
>> them.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sabi Sand said it had injected a mix of parasiticides and indelible pink
>>
>> dye into more than 100 rhinos' horns over the past 18 months to combat
>>
>> international poaching syndicates. More than 200 rhinos have been
>>
>> poached so far this year in South Africa, driven by demand in the far
>>
>> east, where horn ground into powder is seen as a delicacy or traditional
>>
>> medicine.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Consumers of the powdered horn in Asia risk becoming seriously ill from
>>
>> ingesting a so-called medicinal product, which is now contaminated with
>>
>> a non-lethal chemical package," said Andrew Parker, chief executive of
>>
>> the Sabi Sand Wildtuin Association, a group of private landowners in
>>
>> Mpumalanga province.
>>
> **** the "non-lethal" aspect. Pussies.

Lose your consuming rage, you homicidal freak.

>>
>> The "toxification" process involves tranquilising a rhino, drilling a
>>
>> hole in its horn then injecting the dye and parasiticides generally used
>>
>> to control ticks on animals such as horses, cattle and sheep; it is
>>
>> toxic to humans. "It'll make [people] very ill � nausea, stomach ache,
>>
>> diarrhoea � it won't kill them," Parker continued. "It will be very
>>
>> visible, so it would take a very stupid consumer to consume this."
>
> They should use better chemicals:
> http://www.nature.com/nrurol/journal....2013.186.html
> http://www.ansci.cornell.edu/plants/...aflatoxin.html
>
> They should also find ways to create faux rhino horn, contaminate it with
> horrible toxins, then find a way to get it into the black market pipeline.
>
> --Bryan
>
Is there anyone in this forum angrier than you?

You do seem to need some lithium treatments.

On 7/22/2014 3:04 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 14:33:58 -0600, Remington 7 wrote:
>
>> You do seem to need some lithium treatments.
>
> Says the Casa Boner psycho.
>
> "My mental health professional has directed me to apologize to this
> group at large and to Marty and Steven in specific for acting out
> here. A change in my medications is being made to address a disorder
> I have been experiencing this summer. I will be monitored, but I am
> no longer allowed to engage in certain activities I previously have
> enjoyed as they exacerbate my condition. I apologize for being
> disruptive, in a better state of mind this was generally not an issue
> for me."
>
> -sw


Well you are a profoundly odd one, aren't you?

Have you figured out yet that driving out for a BK cheeseburger isn't
exactly a Yaak Valley constant?

On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 18:19:38 -0700 (PDT), Bryan-TGWWW
> wrote:

> OH, AND GARY

So, Remington 7 is Gary?

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 10:52:47 -0600, Remington 7 >
wrote:

> Do we know how insects feel pain?

.... or not? Through science.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 13:13:54 -0700 (PDT), Bryan-TGWWW
> wrote:

>
> They should also find ways to create faux rhino horn, contaminate it with
> horrible toxins, then find a way to get it into the black market pipeline.

No, they should do what has been done with truffles and dilute the
real with fake (the Chinese truffles that dilute European truffles are
simply unripe, but for the sake of this discussion...).

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 15:20:16 -0600, Remington 7 >
wrote:

> Have you figured out yet that driving out for a BK cheeseburger isn't
> exactly a Yaak Valley constant?

He doesn't drive unless he is chauffeured.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 18:19:38 -0700 (PDT), Bryan-TGWWW
> > wrote:
>
>> OH, AND GARY
>
> So, Remington 7 is Gary?

No.

On 7/22/2014 1:33 PM, Remington 7 wrote:

> Is there anyone in this forum angrier than you?
>
> You do seem to need some lithium treatments.

My irony meter just exploded.

On 7/22/2014 9:20 PM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 18:19:38 -0700 (PDT), Bryan-TGWWW
> > wrote:
>
>> OH, AND GARY
>
> So, Remington 7 is Gary?
>
I will not answer to that name, he's a human-hater.

On 7/22/2014 9:22 PM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 10:52:47 -0600, Remington 7 >
> wrote:
>
>> Do we know how insects feel pain?
>
> ... or not? Through science.
>

I'm not sure science has been all that clear on insects and pain.

On 7/22/2014 9:30 PM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 15:20:16 -0600, Remington 7 >
> wrote:
>
>> Have you figured out yet that driving out for a BK cheeseburger isn't
>> exactly a Yaak Valley constant?
>
> He doesn't drive unless he is chauffeured.
>
I watch the show, he darned sure does drive, with no chauffeur.

On 7/23/2014 7:44 AM, Does it really matter? wrote:
> On 7/22/2014 1:33 PM, Remington 7 wrote:
>
>> Is there anyone in this forum angrier than you?
>>
>> You do seem to need some lithium treatments.
>
> My irony meter just exploded.
>
Did it get leg-trapped?