On 7/27/2014 12:53 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 7/27/2014 11:58 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>
>>
>> I've never been to Philadelphia but I've heard about these cheese steak
>> sandwiches for years. Seems to me with all the hype those places could
>> use Steak-Ums and Cheez-Whiz and claim it's the real deal. How would
>> tourists know?
>>
>> Jill <---doesn't plan to go to Philadelphia
>
> Like any business, some are great, others cut corners. There are
> hundreds of steak and hoagie shops and we generally bought from the same
> ones that we liked. They all had a little different style in how well
> the meat was cooked, heat or not heat the roll, how well onions were
> cooked, etc. Price was not much of an indicator.

When I lived in New Jersey I could purchase a higher quality chipped
steak than Steak-Ums. Can't remember the brand. I'd make them at home
with real cheese and peppers and onions. The kids liked them.

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 7/27/2014 2:39 PM, wrote:
> On Sunday, July 27, 2014 8:37:52 AM UTC-7, Janet Wilder wrote:
>> On 7/27/2014 8:41 AM, Ema Nymton wrote:
>
>>
>>> Cheez-Whiz is nothing I have ever tried, I am not sure what I would do
>
>> It's what they put on traditional cheese steaks in Philadelphia. I
>> think it's awful. Orange, salty and gluey, with out any flavor from
>> real cheese.
>
> NO! Absolutely not! It may be what some latter day imbeciles *say* is traditional on a Philly cheese steak, but it's a bald-faced lie. Cheese steaks were invented back in the 1930s, long before Cheez Whiz first saw light of day or the fevered imagination of some food chemist. Traditional cheese for a cheese steak would be provolone. White American was probably a cheaper substitute at some point. Cheez Whiz is an abomination on a cheese steak. And, don't get me started on Southerners' strange idea that a cheese steak should have mayonnaise on it . . . shudder.
>
> Bill Ranck
> Blacksburg, VA
>

I made mine at home with Provelone.

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 7/27/2014 3:57 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
> On 7/27/2014 2:39 PM, wrote:
>> On Sunday, July 27, 2014 8:37:52 AM UTC-7, Janet Wilder wrote:
>>> On 7/27/2014 8:41 AM, Ema Nymton wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> Cheez-Whiz is nothing I have ever tried, I am not sure what I would do
>>
>>> It's what they put on traditional cheese steaks in Philadelphia. I
>>> think it's awful. Orange, salty and gluey, with out any flavor from
>>> real cheese.
>>
>> NO! Absolutely not! It may be what some latter day imbeciles *say* is traditional on a Philly cheese steak, but it's a bald-faced lie. Cheese steaks were invented back in the 1930s, long before Cheez Whiz first saw light of day or the fevered imagination of some food chemist. Traditional cheese for a cheese steak would be provolone. White American was probably a cheaper substitute at some point. Cheez Whiz is an abomination on a cheese steak. And, don't get me started on Southerners' strange idea that a cheese steak should have mayonnaise on it . . . shudder.
>>
>> Bill Ranck
>> Blacksburg, VA
>>
>
> I made mine at home with Provelone.
>

Oddly enough, the first time I ever had mayo on a cheesesteak was in....
wait for it... Philly!

It was a small sandwich shop that called it a Cheesesteak Hoagie and it
was a regular cheesesteak with lettuce, tomato, raw onions, sweet
pickled peppers and MAYO!

A friend of mine was so in love with the sandwich that he offered to buy
me one if I would try it.

I have to admit, it was pretty good.

George L

On 7/27/2014 9:04 AM, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 08:41:46 -0500, Ema Nymton >
> wrote:
>
>> Cheez-Whiz is nothing I have ever tried, I am not sure what I would do
>> with it. I tried aerosol cheese when I was a teenager and I assumed it
>> was similar.
>
> I know I've eaten Cheez-Whiz in the past (probably on saltine
> crackers) and thought it was pretty good. Not sure what I'd think of
> it now. I need to buy some and refresh my memory. When I want
> spreadable cheese these days, I buy the stuff called sharp cheddar
> "Pub" cheese (probably because that's what grandpa used to buy). It
> used to be sold in a real crock, but only comes in a plastic tub now.
> It's pretty popular. Even Trader Joe's has a version.

Have never seen sharp cheddar pub cheese, before, I need to wake up and
look around when I go shopping. I love cheese.

Becca

On 7/27/2014 10:37 AM, Janet Wilder wrote:
> On 7/27/2014 8:41 AM, Ema Nymton wrote:
>
>> Cheez-Whiz is nothing I have ever tried, I am not sure what I would do
>> with it. I tried aerosol cheese when I was a teenager and I assumed it
>> was similar.
>>
>> Becca
>
> It's what they put on traditional cheese steaks in Philadelphia. I
> think it's awful. Orange, salty and gluey, with out any flavor from
> real cheese.

We use provolone on cheesesteaks, I can not imagine anything else. I
would be willing to try it, though.

Becca

On 7/27/2014 2:39 PM, wrote:
> On Sunday, July 27, 2014 8:37:52 AM UTC-7, Janet Wilder wrote:
>> On 7/27/2014 8:41 AM, Ema Nymton wrote:
>
>>
>>> Cheez-Whiz is nothing I have ever tried, I am not sure what I
>>> would do
>
>> It's what they put on traditional cheese steaks in Philadelphia.
>> I think it's awful. Orange, salty and gluey, with out any flavor
>> from real cheese.
>
> NO! Absolutely not! It may be what some latter day imbeciles *say*
> is traditional on a Philly cheese steak, but it's a bald-faced lie.
> Cheese steaks were invented back in the 1930s, long before Cheez Whiz
> first saw light of day or the fevered imagination of some food
> chemist. Traditional cheese for a cheese steak would be provolone.
> White American was probably a cheaper substitute at some point.
> Cheez Whiz is an abomination on a cheese steak. And, don't get me
> started on Southerners' strange idea that a cheese steak should have
> mayonnaise on it . . . shudder.
>
> Bill Ranck Blacksburg, VA

Wondering who told you that Southerners do that. Let me know who it was
and I will let the air out of their tires. ;-)

Becca

On 2014-07-27 5:34 PM, Ema Nymton wrote:

> Have never seen sharp cheddar pub cheese, before, I need to wake up and
> look around when I go shopping. I love cheese.


Can you get Imperial Cheddar Cheese where you are? It sure is sharp. I
used to like it, but have not had it for years. Thanks to lactose
issues, I am not much of a cheese eater. My wife loves cheese and gets a
lot of sharp old cheddar.

On 7/27/2014 4:41 PM, Ema Nymton wrote:
> On 7/27/2014 2:39 PM, wrote:
>> On Sunday, July 27, 2014 8:37:52 AM UTC-7, Janet Wilder wrote:
>>> On 7/27/2014 8:41 AM, Ema Nymton wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> Cheez-Whiz is nothing I have ever tried, I am not sure what I
>>>> would do
>>
>>> It's what they put on traditional cheese steaks in Philadelphia.
>>> I think it's awful. Orange, salty and gluey, with out any flavor
>>> from real cheese.
>>
>> NO! Absolutely not! It may be what some latter day imbeciles *say*
>> is traditional on a Philly cheese steak, but it's a bald-faced lie.
>> Cheese steaks were invented back in the 1930s, long before Cheez Whiz
>> first saw light of day or the fevered imagination of some food
>> chemist. Traditional cheese for a cheese steak would be provolone.
>> White American was probably a cheaper substitute at some point.
>> Cheez Whiz is an abomination on a cheese steak. And, don't get me
>> started on Southerners' strange idea that a cheese steak should have
>> mayonnaise on it . . . shudder.
>>
>> Bill Ranck Blacksburg, VA
>
> Wondering who told you that Southerners do that. Let me know who it was
> and I will let the air out of their tires. ;-)
>
> Becca
>
>
>
>
Maybe he's confusing our Texas way of putting mustard on hamburgers?

I always put mustard no my burgers instead of ketchup as a kid. I must
have been practicing for Whatburger :-)

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 7/27/2014 5:11 PM, George Leppla wrote:

> Oddly enough, the first time I ever had mayo on a cheesesteak was in....
> wait for it... Philly!
>
> It was a small sandwich shop that called it a Cheesesteak Hoagie and it
> was a regular cheesesteak with lettuce, tomato, raw onions, sweet
> pickled peppers and MAYO!
>
> A friend of mine was so in love with the sandwich that he offered to buy
> me one if I would try it.
>
> I have to admit, it was pretty good.
>
> George L
>

It was one of many variations. Steak sandwich (no cheese), Cheesesteak,
Italian cheesesteak, optional toppings include onions, mushrooms,
peppers, hot peppers.

On 7/27/2014 5:03 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-07-27 5:34 PM, Ema Nymton wrote:
>
>> Have never seen sharp cheddar pub cheese, before, I need to wake up and
>> look around when I go shopping. I love cheese.
>
>
> Can you get Imperial Cheddar Cheese where you are? It sure is sharp. I
> used to like it, but have not had it for years. Thanks to lactose
> issues, I am not much of a cheese eater. My wife loves cheese and gets a
> lot of sharp old cheddar.

No, I have never seen Imperial Cheddar Cheese. I love sharp cheese so I
would like to try it, I will keep a lookout for this at the supermarket.

Becca

On 7/27/2014 6:00 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
> On 7/27/2014 4:41 PM, Ema Nymton wrote:
>> On 7/27/2014 2:39 PM, wrote:
>>> On Sunday, July 27, 2014 8:37:52 AM UTC-7, Janet Wilder wrote:
>>>> On 7/27/2014 8:41 AM, Ema Nymton wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Cheez-Whiz is nothing I have ever tried, I am not sure what I
>>>>> would do
>>>
>>>> It's what they put on traditional cheese steaks in Philadelphia.
>>>> I think it's awful. Orange, salty and gluey, with out any flavor
>>>> from real cheese.
>>>
>>> NO! Absolutely not! It may be what some latter day imbeciles *say*
>>> is traditional on a Philly cheese steak, but it's a bald-faced lie.
>>> Cheese steaks were invented back in the 1930s, long before Cheez Whiz
>>> first saw light of day or the fevered imagination of some food
>>> chemist. Traditional cheese for a cheese steak would be provolone.
>>> White American was probably a cheaper substitute at some point.
>>> Cheez Whiz is an abomination on a cheese steak. And, don't get me
>>> started on Southerners' strange idea that a cheese steak should have
>>> mayonnaise on it . . . shudder.
>>>
>>> Bill Ranck Blacksburg, VA
>>
>> Wondering who told you that Southerners do that. Let me know who it was
>> and I will let the air out of their tires. ;-)
>>
>> Becca
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Maybe he's confusing our Texas way of putting mustard on hamburgers?
>
> I always put mustard no my burgers instead of ketchup as a kid. I must
> have been practicing for Whatburger :-)

Janet, you were ahead of your time. Mustard is popular in the Houston
area, which was settled by Germans, and when I grew up, if you ordered a
burger, it came with mustard.

When television went from black & white to color, and you could see
commercials in "full living color", I was grossed out by ketchup being
on burgers. It just looked strange when I was a kid. I can handle
ketchup on burgers as an adult, but I prefer mustard on them, or mustard
on one side and mayo on the other. My firstborn eats them however they
come, and my secondborn only eats mustard on his burgers.

BTW, when Burger King opened in my area of Texas, the first item listed
on their menu was Mustard Whopper, then Whopper was listed next. I guess
someone told them in advance about us crazy Texans.

Becca

On 2014-07-28 10:27 AM, Ema Nymton wrote:

>> Maybe he's confusing our Texas way of putting mustard on hamburgers?
>>
>> I always put mustard no my burgers instead of ketchup as a kid. I must
>> have been practicing for Whatburger :-)
>
> Janet, you were ahead of your time. Mustard is popular in the Houston
> area, which was settled by Germans, and when I grew up, if you ordered a
> burger, it came with mustard.

I have always had mustard on hamburgers. It is not a hamburger without
mustard. It also has to have relish, onion and a slice of tomato. No
ketchup!!

>
> When television went from black & white to color, and you could see
> commercials in "full living color", I was grossed out by ketchup being
> on burgers. It just looked strange when I was a kid. I can handle
> ketchup on burgers as an adult, but I prefer mustard on them, or mustard
> on one side and mayo on the other. My firstborn eats them however they
> come, and my secondborn only eats mustard on his burgers.
>
> BTW, when Burger King opened in my area of Texas, the first item listed
> on their menu was Mustard Whopper, then Whopper was listed next. I guess
> someone told them in advance about us crazy Texans.
>
> Becca

On 7/28/2014 9:27 AM, Ema Nymton wrote:
> On 7/27/2014 6:00 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:

>> Maybe he's confusing our Texas way of putting mustard on hamburgers?
>>
>> I always put mustard no my burgers instead of ketchup as a kid. I must
>> have been practicing for Whatburger :-)
>
> Janet, you were ahead of your time. Mustard is popular in the Houston
> area, which was settled by Germans, and when I grew up, if you ordered a
> burger, it came with mustard.
>
> When television went from black & white to color, and you could see
> commercials in "full living color", I was grossed out by ketchup being
> on burgers. It just looked strange when I was a kid. I can handle
> ketchup on burgers as an adult, but I prefer mustard on them, or mustard
> on one side and mayo on the other. My firstborn eats them however they
> come, and my secondborn only eats mustard on his burgers.
>
> BTW, when Burger King opened in my area of Texas, the first item listed
> on their menu was Mustard Whopper, then Whopper was listed next. I guess
> someone told them in advance about us crazy Texans.
>
> Becca

LOL! We Texans have our quirks, but there is no place on this green
Earth that I'd rather live.

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 7/28/2014 9:31 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-07-28 10:27 AM, Ema Nymton wrote:
>
>>> Maybe he's confusing our Texas way of putting mustard on hamburgers?
>>>
>>> I always put mustard no my burgers instead of ketchup as a kid. I must
>>> have been practicing for Whatburger :-)
>>
>> Janet, you were ahead of your time. Mustard is popular in the Houston
>> area, which was settled by Germans, and when I grew up, if you ordered a
>> burger, it came with mustard.
>
> I have always had mustard on hamburgers. It is not a hamburger without
> mustard. It also has to have relish, onion and a slice of tomato. No
> ketchup!!
>
>>
>> When television went from black & white to color, and you could see
>> commercials in "full living color", I was grossed out by ketchup being
>> on burgers. It just looked strange when I was a kid. I can handle
>> ketchup on burgers as an adult, but I prefer mustard on them, or mustard
>> on one side and mayo on the other. My firstborn eats them however they
>> come, and my secondborn only eats mustard on his burgers.
>>
>> BTW, when Burger King opened in my area of Texas, the first item listed
>> on their menu was Mustard Whopper, then Whopper was listed next. I guess
>> someone told them in advance about us crazy Texans.
>>
>> Becca
>

Dave, you have excellent taste. :-)

George is always grossed out when I put mustard on a BLT and I am always
surprised when he uses ketchup on scrambled eggs. I grew up using salsa
on scrambled eggs.

Becca

On 7/28/2014 1:04 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
> On 7/28/2014 9:27 AM, Ema Nymton wrote:

>> BTW, when Burger King opened in my area of Texas, the first item listed
>> on their menu was Mustard Whopper, then Whopper was listed next. I guess
>> someone told them in advance about us crazy Texans.
>>
>> Becca
>
> LOL! We Texans have our quirks, but there is no place on this green
> Earth that I'd rather live.
>

When I moved down here to Texas, Becca told me that Whataburger was the
best fast-food burger place on the planet. I eagerly looked forward to
my first visit.

Imagine my surprise when my first bite of a burger contained a healthy
dose of mustard! I was appalled (yes... appalled, I say!) I knew there
were Rednecks, Cowboys, Hillbillies and Indians living in Texas... but
not Blasphemous Hamburger Heathens! I choked that first burger down,
vowing to never return.

But Becca assured me that I could order my next burger without mustard
and with mayo and ketchup as I prefer them. Then I found out that she
was right... when prepared properly (without mustard), a Whataburger
burger is the best fast food burger on the planet.

Now when I order my burger, I specify "NO MUSTARD" and they comply...
often muttering "damn Yankee" under their breath or sometimes looking me
in the eye and saying... "Y'all ain't from around here, are you boy?"

George L

On Mon, 28 Jul 2014 13:55:31 -0500, Ema Nymton >
wrote:

>On 7/28/2014 9:31 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2014-07-28 10:27 AM, Ema Nymton wrote:
>>
>>>> Maybe he's confusing our Texas way of putting mustard on hamburgers?
>>>>
>>>> I always put mustard no my burgers instead of ketchup as a kid. I must
>>>> have been practicing for Whatburger :-)
>>>
>>> Janet, you were ahead of your time. Mustard is popular in the Houston
>>> area, which was settled by Germans, and when I grew up, if you ordered a
>>> burger, it came with mustard.
>>
>> I have always had mustard on hamburgers. It is not a hamburger without
>> mustard. It also has to have relish, onion and a slice of tomato. No
>> ketchup!!
>>
>>>
>>> When television went from black & white to color, and you could see
>>> commercials in "full living color", I was grossed out by ketchup being
>>> on burgers. It just looked strange when I was a kid. I can handle
>>> ketchup on burgers as an adult, but I prefer mustard on them, or mustard
>>> on one side and mayo on the other. My firstborn eats them however they
>>> come, and my secondborn only eats mustard on his burgers.
>>>
>>> BTW, when Burger King opened in my area of Texas, the first item listed
>>> on their menu was Mustard Whopper, then Whopper was listed next. I guess
>>> someone told them in advance about us crazy Texans.
>>>
>>> Becca
>>
>
>Dave, you have excellent taste. :-)
>
>George is always grossed out when I put mustard on a BLT and I am always
>surprised when he uses ketchup on scrambled eggs. I grew up using salsa
>on scrambled eggs.
>
>Becca

Mustard is good on scrambled eggs too.

koko

On 7/28/2014 2:06 PM, George Leppla wrote:
> On 7/28/2014 1:04 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>> On 7/28/2014 9:27 AM, Ema Nymton wrote:
>
>>> BTW, when Burger King opened in my area of Texas, the first item listed
>>> on their menu was Mustard Whopper, then Whopper was listed next. I guess
>>> someone told them in advance about us crazy Texans.
>>>
>>> Becca
>>
>> LOL! We Texans have our quirks, but there is no place on this green
>> Earth that I'd rather live.
>>
>
> When I moved down here to Texas, Becca told me that Whataburger was the
> best fast-food burger place on the planet. I eagerly looked forward to
> my first visit.
>
> Imagine my surprise when my first bite of a burger contained a healthy
> dose of mustard! I was appalled (yes... appalled, I say!) I knew there
> were Rednecks, Cowboys, Hillbillies and Indians living in Texas... but
> not Blasphemous Hamburger Heathens! I choked that first burger down,
> vowing to never return.
>
> But Becca assured me that I could order my next burger without mustard
> and with mayo and ketchup as I prefer them. Then I found out that she
> was right... when prepared properly (without mustard), a Whataburger
> burger is the best fast food burger on the planet.
>
> Now when I order my burger, I specify "NO MUSTARD" and they comply...
> often muttering "damn Yankee" under their breath or sometimes looking me
> in the eye and saying... "Y'all ain't from around here, are you boy?"
>


LOL!

When I was engaged to husband number one, we drove down to Miami
Christmas week to visit his parents. We went with a friend of his; a
single guy, rather weird.

We stopped for a meal and I ordered a burger with mustard. Grossed that
guy out so much that he refused to sit at the table with us. Can't
remember the dude's name, but I'll never forget his reaction at my
mustard burger.

There was a long time in my life when I detested ketchup. I was
probably well into my forties when I started to like a bit of ketchup on
fries. I can eat it on a burger now, but I really do prefer mustard.

Barry used to tease me about how many kinds of mustard I had in the
fridge at one time. Usually 5 or 6 varieties.


--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 2014-07-28 2:55 PM, Ema Nymton wrote:
> On 7/28/2014 9:31 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2014-07-28 10:27 AM, Ema Nymton wrote:
>>
>>>> Maybe he's confusing our Texas way of putting mustard on hamburgers?
>>>>
>>>> I always put mustard no my burgers instead of ketchup as a kid. I must
>>>> have been practicing for Whatburger :-)
>>>
>>> Janet, you were ahead of your time. Mustard is popular in the Houston
>>> area, which was settled by Germans, and when I grew up, if you ordered a
>>> burger, it came with mustard.
>>
>> I have always had mustard on hamburgers. It is not a hamburger without
>> mustard. It also has to have relish, onion and a slice of tomato. No
>> ketchup!!


> Dave, you have excellent taste. :-)

I think so ;-)


> George is always grossed out when I put mustard on a BLT and I am always
> surprised when he uses ketchup on scrambled eggs. I grew up using salsa
> on scrambled eggs.

I never thought of putting mustard on a BLT, but I do sometimes use it
on chicken or turkey sandwiches. When I was a kid ketchup and pretty
much an automatic on scrambled eggs. Now I usually have them with a
chiffonade of spinach and some hot sauce. On of my SiLs always has chili
sauce on eggs.

On 7/28/2014 3:41 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-07-28 2:55 PM, Ema Nymton wrote:
>> On 7/28/2014 9:31 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2014-07-28 10:27 AM, Ema Nymton wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Maybe he's confusing our Texas way of putting mustard on hamburgers?
>>>>>
>>>>> I always put mustard no my burgers instead of ketchup as a kid. I
>>>>> must
>>>>> have been practicing for Whatburger :-)
>>>>
>>>> Janet, you were ahead of your time. Mustard is popular in the Houston
>>>> area, which was settled by Germans, and when I grew up, if you
>>>> ordered a
>>>> burger, it came with mustard.
>>>
>>> I have always had mustard on hamburgers. It is not a hamburger without
>>> mustard. It also has to have relish, onion and a slice of tomato. No
>>> ketchup!!
>
>
>> Dave, you have excellent taste. :-)
>
> I think so ;-)
>
>
>> George is always grossed out when I put mustard on a BLT and I am always
>> surprised when he uses ketchup on scrambled eggs. I grew up using salsa
>> on scrambled eggs.
>
> I never thought of putting mustard on a BLT, but I do sometimes use it
> on chicken or turkey sandwiches. When I was a kid ketchup and pretty
> much an automatic on scrambled eggs. Now I usually have them with a
> chiffonade of spinach and some hot sauce. On of my SiLs always has chili
> sauce on eggs.
>


Take a chicken breast, dust it with garlic powder and paint it with
Dijon mustard using the back of a spoon. Grill it. It's absolutely
fabulous and no work at all.

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On Sunday, July 27, 2014 2:41:21 PM UTC-7, Ema Nymton wrote:
> On 7/27/2014 2:39 PM, wrote:
> > And, don't get me
> > started on Southerners' strange idea that a cheese steak should have
> > mayonnaise on it . . . shudder.
>
>
> Wondering who told you that Southerners do that. Let me know who it was
> and I will let the air out of their tires. ;-)

Just my experience from living here for 30+ years. I have learned to say, "no mayo" on just about anything, especially cheese steaks. Not everyone in the South does it, but enough that I'm wary.

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg VA

koko wrote:
> >
> Mustard is good on scrambled eggs too.

Hmmm...I've never heard of that one.

G.

On 7/28/2014 5:26 PM, Gary wrote:
> koko wrote:
>>>
>> Mustard is good on scrambled eggs too.
>
> Hmmm...I've never heard of that one.
>
> G.
>
That's a new one to me too! I must try it!

--
Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)

Extraneous "not." in Reply To.

Janet Wilder wrote:
>
>LOL! We Texans have our quirks, but there is no place on this green
>Earth that I'd rather live.

That's because you haven't experienced the verdant green of the
northern Catskills. There's nothing to do in parched Texhell except
conserve the few precious drops of H2O, imagine TexMex is gourmet, and
defend against illegals. Not an hour ago my garden was watered:
http://i58.tinypic.com/156e0lg.jpg

James Silverton wrote:
>
> Gary wrote:
> > koko wrote:
> >> Mustard is good on scrambled eggs too.
> >
> > Hmmm...I've never heard of that one.
> >
> > G.
> >
> That's a new one to me too! I must try it!


And I even have eggs out for scrambled eggs for dinner tonight. I
mostly like them with just salt and pepper. Sometimes, I'll add a
little ketchup at the end (good). Tonight, I'll save out a tiny bit
to add mustard to. Doesn't really sound so good but I'll give it a
try .

G.

On 7/28/2014 4:13 PM, wrote:
> On Sunday, July 27, 2014 2:41:21 PM UTC-7, Ema Nymton wrote:
>> On 7/27/2014 2:39 PM, wrote:
>>> And, don't get me
>>> started on Southerners' strange idea that a cheese steak should have
>>> mayonnaise on it . . . shudder.
>>
>>
>> Wondering who told you that Southerners do that. Let me know who it was
>> and I will let the air out of their tires. ;-)
>
> Just my experience from living here for 30+ years. I have learned to say, "no mayo" on just about anything, especially cheese steaks. Not everyone in the South does it, but enough that I'm wary.
>
> Bill Ranck
> Blacksburg VA
>


No disrespect Mr Ranck... but if you think Virginia is pat of the
"South" you might want to look at a map. When I lived in PA, I too
considered VA a part of the South, mostly because of their participation
in the Civil War (or as they call it here in the real South... The War
of Northern Aggression).

After moving from PA and living in Texas and Louisiana, my observation
is that some parts of Virginia have more in common with Brooklyn NY than
they do with the real south. <vbg>

I have a friend who lives in Maryland and she declares on a regular
basis that she is a Southern Belle... based on the fact that she lives
about 4 miles south of the Mason Dixon line. Actually, she lives north
of Baltimore... and again, looking at a map, further north than most of
Delaware and parts of New Jersey.

George L

On Monday, July 28, 2014 2:57:35 PM UTC-7, George L wrote:
>
> No disrespect Mr Ranck... but if you think Virginia is pat of the
> "South" you might want to look at a map. When I lived in PA, I too
> considered VA a part of the South, mostly because of their participation
> in the Civil War (or as they call it here in the real South... The War
> of Northern Aggression).

I'd love to see you explain to a native Virginian, especially one from this part of the state, how Virginia isn't part of the South. Sure, the major population centers around DC and Tidewater aren't very "Southern" any more, but get South and West of Richmond and they're as defiantly Southern as anyone.

I would hesitate to call Texas a typical Southern state. They are more of their own separate identity. As for Louisiana, I'd suggest asking some natives there if they think Virginia is Southern or not.

True, my experience is more Eastern South; NC, SC, Georgia, and things change as you move West.

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, VA

On 2014-07-28 5:57 PM, George Leppla wrote:
Just my experience from living here for 30+ years. I have learned to
>> say, "no mayo" on just about anything, especially cheese steaks. Not
>> everyone in the South does it, but enough that I'm wary.
>>
>> Bill Ranck
>> Blacksburg VA
>>
>
>
> No disrespect Mr Ranck... but if you think Virginia is pat of the
> "South" you might want to look at a map. When I lived in PA, I too
> considered VA a part of the South, mostly because of their participation
> in the Civil War (or as they call it here in the real South... The War
> of Northern Aggression).
>
> After moving from PA and living in Texas and Louisiana, my observation
> is that some parts of Virginia have more in common with Brooklyn NY than
> they do with the real south. <vbg>
>
> I have a friend who lives in Maryland and she declares on a regular
> basis that she is a Southern Belle... based on the fact that she lives
> about 4 miles south of the Mason Dixon line. Actually, she lives north
> of Baltimore... and again, looking at a map, further north than most of
> Delaware and parts of New Jersey.
n
Wait a sec..... the Mason Dixon line also serves as the boundary between
Maryland and Pennsylvania. Baltimore is south of that line, which also
runs north-south along the Maryland-Delaware border. She is not only
south of the horizontal boundary, but also to the west of the vertical
boundary.

However, it is hard to think of Maryland a southern state when it did
not secede and most of those who enlisted to fight joined the Union forces.

On 7/28/2014 4:46 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> Janet Wilder wrote:
>>
>> LOL! We Texans have our quirks, but there is no place on this green
>> Earth that I'd rather live.
>
> That's because you haven't experienced the verdant green of the
> northern Catskills. There's nothing to do in parched Texhell except
> conserve the few precious drops of H2O, imagine TexMex is gourmet, and
> defend against illegals. Not an hour ago my garden was watered:
> http://i58.tinypic.com/156e0lg.jpg
>

I spent several summers at camp in Livingston Manor in the Catskills.

We also used to vacation in the Adirondacks at Schroon Lake every summer
when I was a kid. Adirondacks are so much prettier than the Catskills.

I did grow up in New Jersey, you recall. I know what "country" looks like.

There are some beautiful areas of Texas, Sheldon. It's not all the
treeless desert you see in cowboy movies (which are shot mostly in
California, BTW). Palo Duro Canyon is drop-dead gorgeous. The huge,
moss draped Cyprus trees in Caddo Lake are spooky and intriguing. There
are waterfalls, lakes and beautiful sea coasts along the Gulf. Then we
have Big Bend National Park and The Davis Mountains. Texas is a very,
very big state and it would surprise you with its wonders and beautiful
places.

We do watch our water, but my lawn and trees are green because I planted
native stuff, not fancy stuff. I love my cactus and my Washingtonian
palm trees just as much as I loved my geraniums and oak trees in New Jersey.

The illegals don't stay here. They go up north where the bad people give
them jobs and exploit them. There aren't enough jobs here for the
people who are here legally.

I hope that someday you get to travel the wonderful continent that we
live on and enjoy the unique beauty of each area. I am so lucky to have
had this opportunity to know my America.

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 7/28/2014 6:20 PM, wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Jul 2014 18:03:43 -0500, Janet Wilder >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I hope that someday you get to travel the wonderful continent that we
>> live on and enjoy the unique beauty of each area. I am so lucky to have
>> had this opportunity to know my America.
>
> Three times I have driven coast to coast, both on Canadian and US
> side. Our first trip in 1968 was the longest, eleven weeks and we
> took in places like Yellowstone for the kids benefit. Even though I
> have travellend pretty much everywhere and lived in many different
> countries throughout my life, I rate those trips as very high on the
> list.
>
> Most surprising thing was nighttime in a camp near Rapid City - stars
> so bright you could literally read a book by them, no moon. Lake
> Superior which could be an ocean, and best of all, prairie skies in
> Saskatchewan, seemingly endless with little cotton wool clouds.
>

Ah, yes. The Canadian Prairie Provinces where, if your dog runs away,
you can watch him go for three days. :-)

Of all the many, many trips I've taken here and abroad, I have to say
the best was the year we followed the Lewis and Clark Trail on the 200th
anniversary. I walked in the footsteps of history.

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 7/28/2014 6:55 PM, wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Jul 2014 18:46:30 -0500, Janet Wilder >
> wrote:
>
>> On 7/28/2014 6:20 PM, wrote:
>>> On Mon, 28 Jul 2014 18:03:43 -0500, Janet Wilder >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I hope that someday you get to travel the wonderful continent that we
>>>> live on and enjoy the unique beauty of each area. I am so lucky to have
>>>> had this opportunity to know my America.
>>>
>>> Three times I have driven coast to coast, both on Canadian and US
>>> side. Our first trip in 1968 was the longest, eleven weeks and we
>>> took in places like Yellowstone for the kids benefit. Even though I
>>> have travellend pretty much everywhere and lived in many different
>>> countries throughout my life, I rate those trips as very high on the
>>> list.
>>>
>>> Most surprising thing was nighttime in a camp near Rapid City - stars
>>> so bright you could literally read a book by them, no moon. Lake
>>> Superior which could be an ocean, and best of all, prairie skies in
>>> Saskatchewan, seemingly endless with little cotton wool clouds.
>>>
>>
>> Ah, yes. The Canadian Prairie Provinces where, if your dog runs away,
>> you can watch him go for three days. :-)
>>
>> Of all the many, many trips I've taken here and abroad, I have to say
>> the best was the year we followed the Lewis and Clark Trail on the 200th
>> anniversary. I walked in the footsteps of history.
>
> I seem to recall they did something about that on PBS ? There used to
> be lots of signs, our kids always used to joke about "Lewis and Clark
> were here" - lol
>
Ken Burns did the Documentary. We had watched it before the trip and
were looking forward to the amazing sunsets he would have at the end of
each episode.

The entire 52 days it took us to follow the trail, we never saw any such
spectacular sunsets, though we did experience a few very nice ones. We
believe he shot the sunsets elsewhere and edited them in. :-)

They really were there. What was truly interesting is that they had no
real maps, just mostly hearsay. Only one man died and it was from a
burst appendix which could have happened anywhere in those days.

There are a couple of good books about the Corps of Discovery. If you
are into history: Stephen Ambrose's "Undaunted Courage" is, perhaps,
the best know. Another was written by Dayton Duncan, who also worked on
the Burns production. Both are easy to read and quite intriguing.

We met Duncan at a special dinner given in Atchison, KS, where the first
Fourth of July was celebrated west of the Mississippi. A friend had
lent me a paperback of the book and I had Mr. Duncan sign it and
dedicate it to the friend. I then returned the book.

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On Mon, 28 Jul 2014 18:03:43 -0500, Janet Wilder >
wrote:

>On 7/28/2014 4:46 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> Janet Wilder wrote:
>>>
>>> LOL! We Texans have our quirks, but there is no place on this green
>>> Earth that I'd rather live.
>>
>> That's because you haven't experienced the verdant green of the
>> northern Catskills. There's nothing to do in parched Texhell except
>> conserve the few precious drops of H2O, imagine TexMex is gourmet, and
>> defend against illegals. Not an hour ago my garden was watered:
>> http://i58.tinypic.com/156e0lg.jpg
>>
>
>I spent several summers at camp in Livingston Manor in the Catskills.
>
>We also used to vacation in the Adirondacks at Schroon Lake every summer
>when I was a kid. Adirondacks are so much prettier than the Catskills.
>
>I did grow up in New Jersey, you recall. I know what "country" looks like.
>
>There are some beautiful areas of Texas, Sheldon. It's not all the
>treeless desert you see in cowboy movies (which are shot mostly in
>California, BTW). Palo Duro Canyon is drop-dead gorgeous. The huge,
>moss draped Cyprus trees in Caddo Lake are spooky and intriguing. There
>are waterfalls, lakes and beautiful sea coasts along the Gulf. Then we
>have Big Bend National Park and The Davis Mountains. Texas is a very,
>very big state and it would surprise you with its wonders and beautiful
>places.
>
>We do watch our water, but my lawn and trees are green because I planted
>native stuff, not fancy stuff. I love my cactus and my Washingtonian
>palm trees just as much as I loved my geraniums and oak trees in New Jersey.
>
>The illegals don't stay here. They go up north where the bad people give
>them jobs and exploit them. There aren't enough jobs here for the
>people who are here legally.
>
>I hope that someday you get to travel the wonderful continent that we
>live on and enjoy the unique beauty of each area. I am so lucky to have
>had this opportunity to know my America.

I've visited every state except Hawaii, I've criss crossed Texas many
times, never impressed me except to want to spend as little time there
as possible... Texas and Oklahoma are the ugliest states... the only
two states I never spent a night. I don't think in all of Texas
there's one National Park. Aesthetically Texas is the cesspool of the
US. The prettiest part of Texas is their plethera of fast food joints.
Texans are rattlesnake and scorpian lovers. Every Texan I've ever met
that I've asked what they like about living there is that they have no
state income tax, that's the only reason they could give for living
there. I honestly can't comprehend why any civilized person would
desire to live in such an ugly and intellectually barren state. Ask
any Texan what they do for mental stimulation they all respond eat tex
mex and guzzle beer... okay, some camp in the desert in motor homes
where they eat tex mex and guzzle cheap beer. NY may not be the best
place to live but at least we have top soil, there's no top soil in
all of Texas.

On 7/28/2014 8:12 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Jul 2014 18:03:43 -0500, Janet Wilder >
> wrote:
>
>> On 7/28/2014 4:46 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> Janet Wilder wrote:
>>>>
>>>> LOL! We Texans have our quirks, but there is no place on this green
>>>> Earth that I'd rather live.
>>>
>>> That's because you haven't experienced the verdant green of the
>>> northern Catskills. There's nothing to do in parched Texhell except
>>> conserve the few precious drops of H2O, imagine TexMex is gourmet, and
>>> defend against illegals. Not an hour ago my garden was watered:
>>> http://i58.tinypic.com/156e0lg.jpg
>>>
>>
>> I spent several summers at camp in Livingston Manor in the Catskills.
>>
>> We also used to vacation in the Adirondacks at Schroon Lake every summer
>> when I was a kid. Adirondacks are so much prettier than the Catskills.
>>
>> I did grow up in New Jersey, you recall. I know what "country" looks like.
>>
>> There are some beautiful areas of Texas, Sheldon. It's not all the
>> treeless desert you see in cowboy movies (which are shot mostly in
>> California, BTW). Palo Duro Canyon is drop-dead gorgeous. The huge,
>> moss draped Cyprus trees in Caddo Lake are spooky and intriguing. There
>> are waterfalls, lakes and beautiful sea coasts along the Gulf. Then we
>> have Big Bend National Park and The Davis Mountains. Texas is a very,
>> very big state and it would surprise you with its wonders and beautiful
>> places.
>>
>> We do watch our water, but my lawn and trees are green because I planted
>> native stuff, not fancy stuff. I love my cactus and my Washingtonian
>> palm trees just as much as I loved my geraniums and oak trees in New Jersey.
>>
>> The illegals don't stay here. They go up north where the bad people give
>> them jobs and exploit them. There aren't enough jobs here for the
>> people who are here legally.
>>
>> I hope that someday you get to travel the wonderful continent that we
>> live on and enjoy the unique beauty of each area. I am so lucky to have
>> had this opportunity to know my America.
>
> I've visited every state except Hawaii, I've criss crossed Texas many
> times, never impressed me except to want to spend as little time there
> as possible... Texas and Oklahoma are the ugliest states... the only
> two states I never spent a night. I don't think in all of Texas
> there's one National Park. Aesthetically Texas is the cesspool of the
> US. The prettiest part of Texas is their plethera of fast food joints.
> Texans are rattlesnake and scorpian lovers. Every Texan I've ever met
> that I've asked what they like about living there is that they have no
> state income tax, that's the only reason they could give for living
> there. I honestly can't comprehend why any civilized person would
> desire to live in such an ugly and intellectually barren state. Ask
> any Texan what they do for mental stimulation they all respond eat tex
> mex and guzzle beer... okay, some camp in the desert in motor homes
> where they eat tex mex and guzzle cheap beer. NY may not be the best
> place to live but at least we have top soil, there's no top soil in
> all of Texas.
>

We have Big Bend National Park.

You will never see the real deal criss-crossing the US on the
Interstates. You have to go off them and take the "blue highways"
That's where the beauty is. That's where the quirky things are. That's
where the fabulous BBQ joints are. That's where the great restaurants
are. There is nothing attractive about a truck stop or a travel plaza
in any state in the Union.

Do a little research on Texas County Court houses. Most of them are
quite architecturaly amazing and you will not find a single one on an
Interstate.

Travel up the San Antonio River and visit the old missions and steep
yourself in some genuine American history.

I'm sorry you don't care for Texas. I could have settled in any state
when we got off the road after 9 years of traveling full-time in our RV.
We chose Texas because the people are the friendliest in the USA, the
cost of living where we settled is the lowest in the United States, our
taxes are not as high as the northeast and it's a hell of a lot warmer
in winter than the Catskills :-)

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 7/28/2014 8:12 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> Texas and Oklahoma are the ugliest states... the only
> two states I never spent a night. I don't think in all of Texas
> there's one National Park.

Once again, you really don't know what you are talking about. National
Parks in Texas:

Alibates Flint Quarries National Monument
Amistad National Recreation Area
Big Bend National Park
Big Thicket National Preserve
Chamizal National Memorial
El Camino Real de los Tejas National Historic Trail
El Camino Real de Tierra Adentro National Historic Trail
Fort Davis National Historic Site
Guadalupe Mountains National Park
Lake Meredith National Recreation Area
Lyndon B. Johnson National Historical Park
Padre Island National Seashore
Palo Alto Battlefield National Historic Site
Rio Grande Wild And Scenic River
San Antonio Missions National Historical Park

> NY may not be the best
> place to live but at least we have top soil, there's no top soil in
> all of Texas.

And once again there seems to be enough room in your mouth for two feet.

Not only does Texas have a lot of topsoil, Texas has a growing season
that is almost year round. The state is #1 in the nation in value of
livestock and poultry and #3 in the country in the total value of all
agricultural products sold.

http://www.nass.usda.gov/Quick_Stats...hp?state=TEXAS

And don't forget, Sheldon... I've lived where you live... and it was on
a working dairy farm. Now I live here in TX. Of course, with your vast
experience of driving through Texas on the interstate, you know much
more about it than anyone who actually lives here.

Both places have good points and bad. I love upstate NY for a lot of
reasons... and I love Texas for a lot of different reasons.

Every place I have ever lived had its good points and bad... it is what
it is. But in spite of some people, it isn't a contest.

George L

"George Leppla" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/28/2014 8:12 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> Texas and Oklahoma are the ugliest states... the only
>> two states I never spent a night. I don't think in all of Texas
>> there's one National Park.
>
> Once again, you really don't know what you are talking about. National
> Parks in Texas:
>
> Alibates Flint Quarries National Monument
> Amistad National Recreation Area
> Big Bend National Park
> Big Thicket National Preserve
> Chamizal National Memorial
> El Camino Real de los Tejas National Historic Trail
> El Camino Real de Tierra Adentro National Historic Trail
> Fort Davis National Historic Site
> Guadalupe Mountains National Park
> Lake Meredith National Recreation Area
> Lyndon B. Johnson National Historical Park
> Padre Island National Seashore
> Palo Alto Battlefield National Historic Site
> Rio Grande Wild And Scenic River
> San Antonio Missions National Historical Park
>
>> NY may not be the best
>> place to live but at least we have top soil, there's no top soil in
>> all of Texas.
>
> And once again there seems to be enough room in your mouth for two feet.
>
> Not only does Texas have a lot of topsoil, Texas has a growing season that
> is almost year round. The state is #1 in the nation in value of livestock
> and poultry and #3 in the country in the total value of all agricultural
> products sold.
>
> http://www.nass.usda.gov/Quick_Stats...hp?state=TEXAS
>
> And don't forget, Sheldon... I've lived where you live... and it was on a
> working dairy farm. Now I live here in TX. Of course, with your vast
> experience of driving through Texas on the interstate, you know much more
> about it than anyone who actually lives here.
>
> Both places have good points and bad. I love upstate NY for a lot of
> reasons... and I love Texas for a lot of different reasons.
>
> Every place I have ever lived had its good points and bad... it is what it
> is. But in spite of some people, it isn't a contest.
>
> George L

I've been to both states although not to TX since I was a kid. I don't
remember it as being ugly. Been to OK many times. Sure, it has a lot of
blowing red dust but there are also lakes. My uncle had a cabin on Lake
Shawnee. It was a beautiful area.

On 7/25/2014 3:29 PM, sf wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2014 14:59:53 -0400, Nancy Young
> > wrote:
>
>> On 7/25/2014 2:51 PM, Ema Nymton wrote:
>>
>>> I buy Velveeta about once a year to make chile con queso, and I have to
>>> look all over the supermarket to find it.
>>
>> How funny. It never occurred to me it wouldn't be with the
>> rest of the cheese.
>
> It's on an interior aisle shelf, might be with the crackers - possibly
> with the self-stable jarred salsas. Not absolutely positive though.

Okay. My supermarket is smaller than a lot of the super
stores you see, so how hard can it be to find Velveeta?

I gave up. I will have to try again. It wasn't: by the crackers.
By the boxed mac n cheese. In the baking aisle. In the refrigerated
case with the other cheese. I didn't see someone to ask and not
about to go further in my quest when I had cold food in my cart.

nancy

On 7/28/2014 4:46 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> Janet Wilder wrote:
>>
>> LOL! We Texans have our quirks, but there is no place on this green
>> Earth that I'd rather live.
>
> That's because you haven't experienced the verdant green of the
> northern Catskills. There's nothing to do in parched Texhell except
> conserve the few precious drops of H2O, imagine TexMex is gourmet, and
> defend against illegals. Not an hour ago my garden was watered:
> http://i58.tinypic.com/156e0lg.jpg

This might come as a surprise to some, but we like our illegal aliens
here in Texas. It all comes down to the economy, if they were not
wanted, they would not be living here. You will notice that the
governors, senators and representatives in Texas don't seem to do much
about them. The only people in Texas who complain, are a few geriatrics.

Becca