I glanced at a wedge of my fave cheese - Gruyere - agh - 22 a lb. Guess I won't be tasting THAT again too soon.

I was in France recently and realized how generous they are with cheese as an entree. I ordered a Trois Fromage Salad and was amazed at the 6 large rounds, each probably a half an inch thick, of goat cheese, Camembert, and Brie. I took half of it away in a napkin. It has to be relatively cheap there - was served with a green salad and some fruit. What a lunch!!

As an aside, I was privileged to sing at a series of D-Day Commemorative concerts. At the American cemetery at Omaha Beach, we sang our planned anthem with hardly a dry eye, BUT when we gazed at our flag raised aloft, we broke into our national anthem. We barely got the last 'home of the brave' out, we were so overcome with the enormity of the sacrifice. I felt I really WAS at the resting place of those so young and brave. I hope this doesn't initiate another anti-Allies diatribe, but let me tell you, I never before have felt so proud to be an American.

Kalmia wrote:
>
>I glanced at a wedge of my fave cheese - Gruyere - agh - 22 a lb. Guess I won't be tasting THAT again too soon.

Real Gruyere is worth the cost but most people know it as that
Laughing Cow dreck.
http://www.cheese.com/gruyere/

"Kalmia" > wrote in message
...
I glanced at a wedge of my fave cheese - Gruyere - agh - 22 a lb. Guess I
won't be tasting THAT again too soon.

I was in France recently and realized how generous they are with cheese as
an entree. I ordered a Trois Fromage Salad and was amazed at the 6 large
rounds, each probably a half an inch thick, of goat cheese, Camembert, and
Brie. I took half of it away in a napkin. It has to be relatively cheap
there - was served with a green salad and some fruit. What a lunch!!

As an aside, I was privileged to sing at a series of D-Day Commemorative
concerts. At the American cemetery at Omaha Beach, we sang our planned
anthem with hardly a dry eye, BUT when we gazed at our flag raised aloft,
we broke into our national anthem. We barely got the last 'home of the
brave' out, we were so overcome with the enormity of the sacrifice. I felt I
really WAS at the resting place of those so young and brave. I hope this
doesn't initiate another anti-Allies diatribe, but let me tell you, I never
before have felt so proud to be an American.

---

Cheese prices have really gotten outrageous!

We eat Velvetter around these parts. its the National Cheese of Texas.

On 7/24/2014 9:44 PM, bigwheel wrote:
>
> Kalmia;1952894 Wrote:
>> I glanced at a wedge of my fave cheese - Gruyere - agh - 22 a lb. Guess
>> I won't be tasting THAT again too soon.
>>
>> I was in France recently and realized how generous they are with cheese
>> as an entree. I ordered a Trois Fromage Salad and was amazed at the 6
>> large rounds, each probably a half an inch thick, of goat cheese,
>> Camembert, and Brie. I took half of it away in a napkin. It has to be
>> relatively cheap there - was served with a green salad and some fruit.
>> What a lunch!!
>>
>> As an aside, I was privileged to sing at a series of D-Day Commemorative
>> concerts. At the American cemetery at Omaha Beach, we sang our planned
>> anthem with hardly a dry eye, BUT when we gazed at our flag raised
>> aloft, we broke into our national anthem. We barely got the last 'home
>> of the brave' out, we were so overcome with the enormity of the
>> sacrifice. I felt I really WAS at the resting place of those so young
>> and brave. I hope this doesn't initiate another anti-Allies diatribe,
>> but let me tell you, I never before have felt so proud to be an
>> American.
>
> We eat Velvetter around these parts. its the National Cheese of Texas.
>
>
>
>
Not in my part of Texas. More like queso blanco down here. :-)

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 7/25/2014 10:54 AM, Janet Wilder wrote:
> On 7/24/2014 9:44 PM, bigwheel wrote:
>>
>> Kalmia;1952894 Wrote:
>>> I glanced at a wedge of my fave cheese - Gruyere - agh - 22 a lb. Guess
>>> I won't be tasting THAT again too soon.
>>>
>>
>> We eat Velvetter around these parts. its the National Cheese of Texas.
>>
What a lame troll attempt.
>>
>>
>>
> Not in my part of Texas. More like queso blanco down here. :-)
>

I vote for queso blanco or queso fresco. Or Oaxaca, which sort of has a
mozzarella stringy quality. Very nice in quesadillas. They're all
wonderful and very tasty melting cheeses. I know this and I'm not
anywhere near Texas or Mexico.

Jill

On 7/25/2014 12:05 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 7/25/2014 10:54 AM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>> On 7/24/2014 9:44 PM, bigwheel wrote:
>>>
>>> Kalmia;1952894 Wrote:
>>>> I glanced at a wedge of my fave cheese - Gruyere - agh - 22 a lb.
>>>> Guess
>>>> I won't be tasting THAT again too soon.
>>>>
>>>
>>> We eat Velvetter around these parts. its the National Cheese of Texas.
>>>
> What a lame troll attempt.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Not in my part of Texas. More like queso blanco down here. :-)
>>
>
> I vote for queso blanco or queso fresco. Or Oaxaca, which sort of has a
> mozzarella stringy quality. Very nice in quesadillas. They're all
> wonderful and very tasty melting cheeses. I know this and I'm not
> anywhere near Texas or Mexico.
>
> Jill

There is also Cotija, which is a softish grating cheese. Not as hard as
Parmesan, but it does grate nicely on a cheese plane. I like it in
quesadillas along with either jack or Oaxaca and it's wonderful grated
into omelets or migas. It keeps very well in the fridge.

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 7/25/2014 2:16 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
> There is also Cotija, which is a softish grating cheese. Not as hard as
> Parmesan, but it does grate nicely on a cheese plane. I like it in
> quesadillas along with either jack or Oaxaca and it's wonderful grated
> into omelets or migas. It keeps very well in the fridge.

Corn on the cob, slathered with mayo, then add some grated cotija and
salt or chili powder if you like.

First had that on the street in Nuevo Progresso and we have it here often.

George L

On 7/25/2014 2:16 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
> On 7/25/2014 12:05 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 7/25/2014 10:54 AM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>>> On 7/24/2014 9:44 PM, bigwheel wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Kalmia;1952894 Wrote:
>>>>> I glanced at a wedge of my fave cheese - Gruyere - agh - 22 a lb.
>>>>> Guess
>>>>> I won't be tasting THAT again too soon.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We eat Velvetter around these parts. its the National Cheese of Texas.
>>>>
>> What a lame troll attempt.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Not in my part of Texas. More like queso blanco down here. :-)
>>>
>>
>> I vote for queso blanco or queso fresco. Or Oaxaca, which sort of has a
>> mozzarella stringy quality. Very nice in quesadillas. They're all
>> wonderful and very tasty melting cheeses. I know this and I'm not
>> anywhere near Texas or Mexico.
>>
>> Jill
>
> There is also Cotija, which is a softish grating cheese. Not as hard as
> Parmesan, but it does grate nicely on a cheese plane. I like it in
> quesadillas along with either jack or Oaxaca and it's wonderful grated
> into omelets or migas. It keeps very well in the fridge.
>

We can't have corn on the cob without cotija, and I can use cotija
instead of feta.

Becca

On 7/25/2014 12:51 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2014 13:05:25 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> On 7/25/2014 10:54 AM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>>> On 7/24/2014 9:44 PM, bigwheel wrote:
>>>
>>>> We eat Velvetter around these parts. its the National Cheese of Texas.
>>>>
>> What a lame troll attempt.
>
> Bigwheel is from the Inbred part of Texas. It's teh immediate 40
> square feet that encompasses him and his corrugated aluminum and duct
> tape shack.
>
>>> Not in my part of Texas. More like queso blanco down here. :-)
>>>
>>
>> I vote for queso blanco or queso fresco. Or Oaxaca, which sort of has a
>> mozzarella stringy quality. Very nice in quesadillas. They're all
>> wonderful and very tasty melting cheeses. I know this and I'm not
>> anywhere near Texas or Mexico.
>
> If you go to a Mexican market around here there is whole slew of white
> cheeses and creamy dairy products. But in a regular grocery store in
> a typical suburban neighborhood, no single cheese rules. I know I've
> seen Velveeta on the end-cap during Superbowl and such, but I honestly
> don't know where in the store it's normally shelved.
>
> -sw

It would be hard for me to choose a favorite cheese, I like so many of
them.

I buy Velveeta about once a year to make chile con queso, and I have to
look all over the supermarket to find it.


Becca

On 7/25/2014 2:51 PM, Ema Nymton wrote:

> I buy Velveeta about once a year to make chile con queso, and I have to
> look all over the supermarket to find it.

How funny. It never occurred to me it wouldn't be with the
rest of the cheese.

I have a hard enough time finding marshmallows as I'm convinced
they should be by the candy. Instead it's by the Jello.

nancy

On 7/25/2014 12:51 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2014 13:05:25 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> On 7/25/2014 10:54 AM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>>> On 7/24/2014 9:44 PM, bigwheel wrote:
>>>
>>>> We eat Velvetter around these parts. its the National Cheese of Texas.
>>>>
>> What a lame troll attempt.
>
> Bigwheel is from the Inbred part of Texas. It's teh immediate 40
> square feet that encompasses him and his corrugated aluminum and duct
> tape shack.
>
>>> Not in my part of Texas. More like queso blanco down here. :-)
>>>
>>
>> I vote for queso blanco or queso fresco. Or Oaxaca, which sort of has a
>> mozzarella stringy quality. Very nice in quesadillas. They're all
>> wonderful and very tasty melting cheeses. I know this and I'm not
>> anywhere near Texas or Mexico.
>
> If you go to a Mexican market around here there is whole slew of white
> cheeses and creamy dairy products. But in a regular grocery store in
> a typical suburban neighborhood, no single cheese rules. I know I've
> seen Velveeta on the end-cap during Superbowl and such, but I honestly
> don't know where in the store it's normally shelved.
>
> -sw
>
I've only seen it on the end caps at HEB. The only yellow cheese eaten
around here is Welfare Cheese, assuming they still give it out :-)

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2014 13:05:25 -0400, jmcquown wrote:

> If you go to a Mexican market around here there is whole slew of white
> cheeses and creamy dairy products. But in a regular grocery store in
> a typical suburban neighborhood, no single cheese rules. I know I've
> seen Velveeta on the end-cap during Superbowl and such, but I honestly
> don't know where in the store it's normally shelved.

I don't think Velveeta is very popular here. Never know where it will be.
Sometimes with the crackers. Sometimes with the nuts. Some stores
refrigerate it and sell it with the other cheeses. And when you do find it,
it comprises one shelf only and not even 30" of it. For some reason, the
Albertsons in CA stocked a lot more of it. The typical party dip there was
some kind of sausage, cooked, with Rotel and Velveeta. I don't think that I
went to one party there that didn't have that.

On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 00:25:47 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> I don't think Velveeta is very popular here. Never know where it will be.
> Sometimes with the crackers. Sometimes with the nuts. Some stores
> refrigerate it and sell it with the other cheeses. And when you do find it,
> it comprises one shelf only and not even 30" of it.

30 inches would be a huge section. The Velveeta section I saw was one
box wide on one shelf.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

The best Tex Mex Restaurants use Land O Lakes Sharp American Extra melt for everything requiring cheese. Enchiladas to Queso. Has only slightly higher melting temps than Velvetta but a much richer cheese flavor. Its the same exact stuff as President Sir Ronald Reagan Maximus..passed out free to the seasoned citizens when he cut them off food stamps back in the 80's. If any are old enough to recall that. Squirtzs was prob still Squirting mustard in his pampers back in them days. It comes in five pound sticks with 6 to the case from the wholesale food distributors. A person can approximate the flavor and texture by mixing Velvetta 50/50 with some good cheddar. Thats how I do it for enchiladas so its bound to be right huh?

On Thursday, July 24, 2014 4:44:42 PM UTC-10, bigwheel wrote:
> Kalmia;1952894 Wrote:
>
> > I glanced at a wedge of my fave cheese - Gruyere - agh - 22 a lb. Guess
>
> > I won't be tasting THAT again too soon.
>
> >
>
> > I was in France recently and realized how generous they are with cheese
>
> > as an entree. I ordered a Trois Fromage Salad and was amazed at the 6
>
> > large rounds, each probably a half an inch thick, of goat cheese,
>
> > Camembert, and Brie. I took half of it away in a napkin. It has to be
>
> > relatively cheap there - was served with a green salad and some fruit.
>
> > What a lunch!!
>
> >
>
> > As an aside, I was privileged to sing at a series of D-Day Commemorative
>
> > concerts. At the American cemetery at Omaha Beach, we sang our planned
>
> > anthem with hardly a dry eye, BUT when we gazed at our flag raised
>
> > aloft, we broke into our national anthem. We barely got the last 'home
>
> > of the brave' out, we were so overcome with the enormity of the
>
> > sacrifice. I felt I really WAS at the resting place of those so young
>
> > and brave. I hope this doesn't initiate another anti-Allies diatribe,
>
> > but let me tell you, I never before have felt so proud to be an
>
> > American.
>
>
>
> We eat Velvetter around these parts. its the National Cheese of Texas.
>
>

My friend from Texas sent me a cheese enchillada recipe that was a favorite dish at his family's restaurant. I was surprised that it was a tortillas stuffed with Velvetter... er Velteeta, baked in a thin chili sauce. It was similar to the Mexican TV enchillada. Cool!

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> bigwheel

We eat Velvetter around these parts. its the National Cheese of Texas. Anybody who tries to pass out yup cheese is liable to get biotch slapped into next week.

$22!? I found some good gruyere for $15 ( I was ****ed at that). One of my absolute favorites. Smoked Gouda hits me well, lately, too. $3.30 for unreal muenster, here. It's like our queso fresco where I live. (Unless I grab some milk from my neighbor and make some "queso fresco.") Pretty easy to make cheese. Great cheese isn't such a small task.

On Friday, July 25, 2014 12:12:34 AM UTC-4, Gorio wrote:
> bigwheel;1952913 Wrote:
>
> > We eat Velvetter around these parts. its the National Cheese of Texas.
>
> > Anybody who tries to pass out yup cheese is liable to get biotch slapped
>
> > into next week.
>
>
>
> $22!? I found some good gruyere for $15 ( I was ****ed at that). One of
>
> my absolute favorites.

I also am nuts about Swedish Ambrosia. Haven't seen it in ages - no yup cheese shops in my neck of the woods. Melt-in-the-mouth delicious.

On 7/24/2014 7:43 PM, Kalmia wrote:
> I glanced at a wedge of my fave cheese - Gruyere - agh - 22 a lb. Guess I won't be tasting THAT again too soon.
>
> I was in France recently and realized how generous they are with cheese as an entree. I ordered a Trois Fromage Salad and was amazed at the 6 large rounds, each probably a half an inch thick, of goat cheese, Camembert, and Brie. I took half of it away in a napkin. It has to be relatively cheap there - was served with a green salad and some fruit. What a lunch!!
>
> As an aside, I was privileged to sing at a series of D-Day Commemorative concerts. At the American cemetery at Omaha Beach, we sang our planned anthem with hardly a dry eye, BUT when we gazed at our flag raised aloft, we broke into our national anthem. We barely got the last 'home of the brave' out, we were so overcome with the enormity of the sacrifice. I felt I really WAS at the resting place of those so young and brave. I hope this doesn't initiate another anti-Allies diatribe, but let me tell you, I never before have felt so proud to be an American.
>
>
>

that was lovely. Good on you all!

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On Thursday, July 24, 2014 8:43:22 PM UTC-4, Kalmia wrote:
> I glanced at a wedge of my fave cheese - Gruyere - agh - 22 a lb. Guess I won't be tasting THAT again too soon.
>
>
>
> I was in France recently and realized how generous they are with cheese as an entree. I ordered a Trois Fromage Salad and was amazed at the 6 large rounds, each probably a half an inch thick, of goat cheese, Camembert, and Brie. I took half of it away in a napkin. It has to be relatively cheap there - was served with a green salad and some fruit. What a lunch!!
>
>
>
> As an aside, I was privileged to sing at a series of D-Day Commemorative concerts. At the American cemetery at Omaha Beach, we sang our planned anthem with hardly a dry eye, BUT when we gazed at our flag raised aloft, we broke into our national anthem. We barely got the last 'home of the brave' out, we were so overcome with the enormity of the sacrifice. I felt I really WAS at the resting place of those so young and brave. I hope this doesn't initiate another anti-Allies diatribe, but let me tell you, I never before have felt so proud to be an American.

I salute you, and hope to visit Omaha like that before I die.

On 7/24/2014 8:43 PM, Kalmia wrote:

> As an aside, I was privileged to sing at a series of D-Day
>Commemorative concerts. At the American cemetery at Omaha Beach, we
>sang our planned anthem with hardly a dry eye, BUT when we gazed at
>our flag raised aloft, we broke into our national anthem. We barely
>got the last 'home of the brave' out, we were so overcome with the
>enormity of the sacrifice. I felt I really WAS at the resting place of
>those so young and brave. I hope this doesn't initiate another
>anti->Allies diatribe, but let me tell you, I never before have felt
>so proud to be an American.

Last night I saw a show that wound up going to a cemetery where
Americans slain in battle were buried, in France. It looked like snow,
white crosses as far as the eye could see. What a sacrifice. All
those men ran into battle even though they were being fired on
from both sides and hardly had a chance. So brave.

nancy

On 2014-07-25 8:17 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 7/24/2014 8:43 PM, Kalmia wrote:
>
> > As an aside, I was privileged to sing at a series of D-Day
> >Commemorative concerts. At the American cemetery at Omaha Beach, we
> >sang our planned anthem with hardly a dry eye, BUT when we gazed at
> >our flag raised aloft, we broke into our national anthem. We barely
> >got the last 'home of the brave' out, we were so overcome with the
> >enormity of the sacrifice. I felt I really WAS at the resting place of
> >those so young and brave. I hope this doesn't initiate another
> >anti->Allies diatribe, but let me tell you, I never before have felt
> >so proud to be an American.
>
> Last night I saw a show that wound up going to a cemetery where
> Americans slain in battle were buried, in France. It looked like snow,
> white crosses as far as the eye could see. What a sacrifice. All
> those men ran into battle even though they were being fired on
> from both sides and hardly had a chance. So brave.

When we visited the American cemetery of the Meuse Argonne we were
really impressed. The crosses are all white and everything is so
immaculately maintained. As you drive along past all those rows of
crosses it is quite mesmerizing.

This cemetery is about 25 miles from Verdun, which saw some of the worst
fighting of that war. I was amazed at what I thought was a regular war
cemetery with 130,000 markers. It turned to be an ossuary for the
remains of the unidentified war dead. There were a lot more war
cemeteries in the area.





http://www.abmc.gov/cemeteries-memor...rican-cemetery
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meuse-A...y_and_Memorial

On 7/25/2014 9:44 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-07-25 8:17 AM, Nancy Young wrote:

>> Last night I saw a show that wound up going to a cemetery where
>> Americans slain in battle were buried, in France. It looked like snow,
>> white crosses as far as the eye could see. What a sacrifice. All
>> those men ran into battle even though they were being fired on
>> from both sides and hardly had a chance. So brave.
>
> When we visited the American cemetery of the Meuse Argonne we were
> really impressed. The crosses are all white and everything is so
> immaculately maintained.

That struck me, too. Absolutely immaculate, not a blade of
grass awry.

> As you drive along past all those rows of
> crosses it is quite mesmerizing.

Seemed like it went on forever, whichever way you looked.

> This cemetery is about 25 miles from Verdun, which saw some of the worst
> fighting of that war. I was amazed at what I thought was a regular war
> cemetery with 130,000 markers. It turned to be an ossuary for the
> remains of the unidentified war dead. There were a lot more war
> cemeteries in the area.

A real shame all the way around.

nancy

On 2014-07-25 10:12 AM, Nancy Young wrote:

>> As you drive along past all those rows of
>> crosses it is quite mesmerizing.
>
> Seemed like it went on forever, whichever way you looked.

It has an interesting effect of spokes rotating as you drive along.
>
>> This cemetery is about 25 miles from Verdun, which saw some of the worst
>> fighting of that war. I was amazed at what I thought was a regular war
>> cemetery with 130,000 markers. It turned to be an ossuary for the
>> remains of the unidentified war dead. There were a lot more war
>> cemeteries in the area.
>
> A real shame all the way around.

It was a battle of attrition that went on for almost a year. More than
two million troops faced each other and there were close to a million
casualties, almost half a million killed in the initial battle.
Throughout the war there was an average of about 3,000 artillery rounds
per day hitting the battlefield. There is hardly a square foot of the
battlefield that is pockmarked with artillery craters.

It makes me cringe to hear people referring to them as cheese eating
surrender monkeys. A lot of men lost their live, and a lot of the
casualties were the result of incompetent commanders. France lost a big
chunk of a generation of young men in that war, as did Britain.

In article >, says...

> Last night I saw a show that wound up going to a cemetery where
> Americans slain in battle were buried, in France. It looked like snow,
> white crosses as far as the eye could see. What a sacrifice. All
> those men ran into battle even though they were being fired on
> from both sides and hardly had a chance. So brave.
>
> nancy

You need to read this, to know who else were brave and sacrificed.

http://www.pbs.org/greatwar/resources/casdeath_pop.html

Janet UK

On 7/25/2014 1:51 PM, janet wrote:
> In article >, says...
>
>> Last night I saw a show that wound up going to a cemetery where
>> Americans slain in battle were buried, in France. It looked like snow,
>> white crosses as far as the eye could see. What a sacrifice. All
>> those men ran into battle even though they were being fired on
>> from both sides and hardly had a chance. So brave.
>>
>> nancy
>
> You need to read this, to know who else were brave and sacrificed.
>
> http://www.pbs.org/greatwar/resources/casdeath_pop.html

(snort) Yes, only Americans were slain, that's what I said.

nancy

On 2014-07-25 1:51 PM, janet wrote:
> In article >, says...
>
>> Last night I saw a show that wound up going to a cemetery where
>> Americans slain in battle were buried, in France. It looked like snow,
>> white crosses as far as the eye could see. What a sacrifice. All
>> those men ran into battle even though they were being fired on
>> from both sides and hardly had a chance. So brave.
>>
>> nancy
>
> You need to read this, to know who else were brave and sacrificed.
>
> http://www.pbs.org/greatwar/resources/casdeath_pop.html
>
>

Well that is a crappy list. It does not show the contribution of the
Commonwealth countries, just lumping them in with the British Empire.
Canada, with a 1/10th the population of the US, mobilized 620,000
troops. They suffered 67,000 deaths, more than 10% of the force, and
there were 250,000 casualties.

On Friday, July 25, 2014 12:51:09 PM UTC-7, Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2014-07-25 1:51 PM, janet wrote:
>
> > In article >, says...
>
> >
>
> >> Last night I saw a show that wound up going to a cemetery where
> >> Americans slain in battle were buried, in France. It looked like snow,
> >> white crosses as far as the eye could see. What a sacrifice. All
> >> those men ran into battle even though they were being fired on
> >> from both sides and hardly had a chance. So brave.
>

> > You need to read this, to know who else were brave and sacrificed.
> > http://www.pbs.org/greatwar/resources/casdeath_pop.html
>
>
> Well that is a crappy list. It does not show the contribution of the
> Commonwealth countries, just lumping them in with the British Empire.
> Canada, with a 1/10th the population of the US, mobilized 620,000
> troops. They suffered 67,000 deaths, more than 10% of the force, and
> there were 250,000 casualties.

As my mother's passport said decades later, a Canadian citizen was
a British subject. Whereas the US saw no point in supplying fodder
to be gassed. Only after the Second World War did the US sigh, and take
up the burden of preventing Europe from trying to destroy itself a third
time.

On 7/25/2014 1:51 PM, janet wrote:

> You need to read this, to know who else were brave and sacrificed.
>
> http://www.pbs.org/greatwar/resources/casdeath_pop.html
>
> Janet UK
>

Interesting, thanks for posting it.

On Friday, July 25, 2014 5:23:58 AM UTC-7, wrote:

> On Fri, 25 Jul 2014 08:17:04 -0400, Nancy Young
>
> > wrote:
>
>
>
> >On 7/24/2014 8:43 PM, Kalmia wrote:
>
> > > As an aside, I was privileged to sing at a series of D-Day
> > >Commemorative concerts. At the American cemetery at Omaha Beach, we
> > >sang our planned anthem with hardly a dry eye, BUT when we gazed at
> > >our flag raised aloft, we broke into our national anthem. We barely
> > >got the last 'home of the brave' out, we were so overcome with the
> > >enormity of the sacrifice. I felt I really WAS at the resting place of
> > >those so young and brave. I hope this doesn't initiate another
> > >anti->Allies diatribe, but let me tell you, I never before have felt
> > >so proud to be an American.
>
> You don't want a diatribe but you make it sound as if the Americans
> were the only ones there!

The story of WW II is told differently in different places. I was
in Europe during the 50th Anniversary of V-E Day, and was surprised
to read in the UK papers that "Monty" had won the war single-handedly
despite the bungling interference of that nitwit Ike.


> Just as a matter of interest, my father
> was there on D-Day, not that it matters, but he took his ship an
> rescued Dwight D. Eisenhower when his ship had gone aground and
> returned him to the UK. However, we won't remember that, it spoils
> the image I suppose.
>

This was D-Day +1 when HMS Apollo grounded (probably trying to get
the officers a better look) and HMS Undaunted gave Ike a ride home.

Wikipedia has a nice story about how Ike gave the crew of Undaunted
his General's flag, "autographed across two of the stars with an
indelible pencil dipped in whisky." The flag is now in the possession
of the National Trust for Scotland.

On Friday, July 25, 2014 4:46:05 PM UTC-7, wrote:

>
> I am happy you know the tale, my father never spoke about anything to
> do with WWII, I learned about it all later - his concentration was
> much more on Vimeira, and it's loss. He mourned the fact that many
> young lives were lost whilst he made it.

I don't think ANYBODY's dad spoke about anything to do with WW II. My
uncle had what we now know as PTSD. My dad just talked about how
nice the locals were; how grateful, and how he liked their food. It
took my wife's uncle 60 years to talk about Iwo Jima, where he had
been in the weapons company of the 28th Regiment. The 28th's Easy
Company supplied the men that raised the flag above Mt. Suribachi.

On 2014-07-25 20:48, wrote:

> I don't think ANYBODY's dad spoke about anything to do with WW II. My
> uncle had what we now know as PTSD. My dad just talked about how
> nice the locals were; how grateful, and how he liked their food. It
> took my wife's uncle 60 years to talk about Iwo Jima, where he had
> been in the weapons company of the 28th Regiment. The 28th's Easy
> Company supplied the men that raised the flag above Mt. Suribachi.
>


All my friends had all sorts of grandiose stories about what their
fathers had done during the war. All my father did was work on ground
crew, servicing Spitfire and Hurricane fighters, and that he spent the
last year of the war in British Columbia. At least, that is all he had
told us.

It was not until I was almost 18 that I learned that there was much
more to that. A guy from Denmark contacted him wanting to interview him
about his war time experience. It turned out that he had been a flight
engineer (co pilot) in a bomber and on his 19th operational flight the
plane was shot down over Denmark. He was the sole survivor of the crash
and is documented as being the first Allied airman to escape from
occupied Denmark.
The reason he was in BC was that that after having been in contact
with the Danish Resistance, he was not allowed to fly over Europe again.
He was sent out there as a flight instructor.

On Fri, 25 Jul 2014 21:01:55 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> All my friends had all sorts of grandiose stories about what their
> fathers had done during the war. All my father did was work on ground
> crew, servicing Spitfire and Hurricane fighters, and that he spent the
> last year of the war in British Columbia. At least, that is all he had
> told us.

I think the ones who do the least talk the most. One of our friends
who can't stop talking about the Viet Nam war was something akin to a
typist. In college, I had a friend who carried the body bags off
airplanes. He said he knew what condition the body was in if the bag
sagged or not.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

On 7/25/2014 8:48 PM, wrote:
> On Friday, July 25, 2014 4:46:05 PM UTC-7, wrote:
>
>>
>> I am happy you know the tale, my father never spoke about anything to
>> do with WWII, I learned about it all later - his concentration was
>> much more on Vimeira, and it's loss. He mourned the fact that many
>> young lives were lost whilst he made it.
>
> I don't think ANYBODY's dad spoke about anything to do with WW II. My
> uncle had what we now know as PTSD. My dad just talked about how
> nice the locals were; how grateful, and how he liked their food. It
> took my wife's uncle 60 years to talk about Iwo Jima, where he had
> been in the weapons company of the 28th Regiment. The 28th's Easy
> Company supplied the men that raised the flag above Mt. Suribachi.
>
My parents did talk about the war, but they were both in the military.
My mother was in signals, my father was a combat cameraman.

On Fri, 25 Jul 2014 17:48:15 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

> On Friday, July 25, 2014 4:46:05 PM UTC-7, wrote:
>
> >
> > I am happy you know the tale, my father never spoke about anything to
> > do with WWII, I learned about it all later - his concentration was
> > much more on Vimeira, and it's loss. He mourned the fact that many
> > young lives were lost whilst he made it.
>
> I don't think ANYBODY's dad spoke about anything to do with WW II. My
> uncle had what we now know as PTSD. My dad just talked about how
> nice the locals were; how grateful, and how he liked their food. It
> took my wife's uncle 60 years to talk about Iwo Jima, where he had
> been in the weapons company of the 28th Regiment. The 28th's Easy
> Company supplied the men that raised the flag above Mt. Suribachi.

I think you're right. My dad is still alive, but he doesn't talk
about WWII and he was above the fighting - flying supplies over the
Atlantic and North Africa as a navigator. My (long dead) uncle's only
story (that I heard from my grandmother, not him) was about being
caught behind enemy lines and hiding in under the floor of I forget
what... (a barn, a windmill) for three days with the Nazis overhead.
That's it. No other details.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

On 7/25/2014 7:48 PM, wrote:
> On Friday, July 25, 2014 4:46:05 PM UTC-7, wrote:
>
>>
>> I am happy you know the tale, my father never spoke about anything to
>> do with WWII, I learned about it all later - his concentration was
>> much more on Vimeira, and it's loss. He mourned the fact that many
>> young lives were lost whilst he made it.
>
> I don't think ANYBODY's dad spoke about anything to do with WW II. My
> uncle had what we now know as PTSD. My dad just talked about how
> nice the locals were; how grateful, and how he liked their food. It
> took my wife's uncle 60 years to talk about Iwo Jima, where he had
> been in the weapons company of the 28th Regiment. The 28th's Easy
> Company supplied the men that raised the flag above Mt. Suribachi.

We did not know my dad was in the Navy, until after he died, he never
talked about it.

Becca

On 2014-07-24 8:43 PM, Kalmia wrote:

> As an aside, I was privileged to sing at a series of D-Day
> Commemorative concerts. At the American cemetery at Omaha Beach, we
> sang our planned anthem with hardly a dry eye, BUT when we gazed at
> our flag raised aloft, we broke into our national anthem. We barely
> got the last 'home of the brave' out, we were so overcome with the
> enormity of the sacrifice. I felt I really WAS at the resting place
> of those so young and brave. I hope this doesn't initiate another
> anti-Allies diatribe, but let me tell you, I never before have felt
> so proud to be an American.

On one trip to France we were wandering around and saw a lot of WWI war
cemeteries. The American cemetery at the Meuse-Argonne was beautiful. It
was beautiful. There were 14,500 white crosses on a gentle rolling hill
and the gardens and trees were all well groomed.

As we got out of the car the carillon started up, playing America The
Beautiful. We thought at first that it was just for us, but then I
realized it was 12 noon. My father in law saw action there and had told
me some interesting stories about the war and about some of the people
in his unit who were killed, like the one who was struck by shrapnel
two minutes after they had traded places, and one who was killed 10
minutes before the ceasefire.

On 7/25/2014 8:19 AM, Dave Smith wrote:

> On one trip to France we were wandering around and saw a lot of WWI war
> cemeteries. The American cemetery at the Meuse-Argonne was beautiful. It
> was beautiful.

That's the one I saw last night on a television show,
Who Do You Think You Are, Michael Broderick episode.

nancy

"Kalmia" wrote in message
...

I glanced at a wedge of my fave cheese - Gruyere - agh - 22 a lb. Guess I
won't be tasting THAT again too soon.

I was in France recently and realized how generous they are with cheese as
an entree. I ordered a Trois Fromage Salad and was amazed at the 6 large
rounds, each probably a half an inch thick, of goat cheese, Camembert, and
Brie. I took half of it away in a napkin. It has to be relatively cheap
there - was served with a green salad and some fruit. What a lunch!!

As an aside, I was privileged to sing at a series of D-Day Commemorative
concerts. At the American cemetery at Omaha Beach, we sang our planned
anthem with hardly a dry eye, BUT when we gazed at our flag raised aloft,
we broke into our national anthem. We barely got the last 'home of the
brave' out, we were so overcome with the enormity of the sacrifice. I felt I
really WAS at the resting place of those so young and brave. I hope this
doesn't initiate another anti-Allies diatribe, but let me tell you, I never
before have felt so proud to be an American.

~~~~~~~
When we were in Greece, we were also surprised at the large pieces of cheese
on the salads. I also noticed that they seldom used lettuce on their
salads, but they had wonderful big pieces of various veggies.

You described a beautiful D-Day Commemorative. Thank you.

MaryL