On 2014-07-30 5:04 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
> On 7/30/2014 1:07 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
>> On 7/30/2014 1:52 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>>> On 7/30/2014 11:59 AM, S Viemeister wrote:
>>>> I like the spam filtering on nin - I wonder if Astraweb is as good in
>>>> that regard?
>>>
>>> SPAM does get through, but it's easy to spot and there isn't a lot of
>>> it. I think modern spammers don't even know about Usenet.
>>>
>>> Astraweb does offer a newsreader, which I believe is free, that is
>>> supposed to work well with their news server. I am so used to
>>> Thunderbird that I don't want to start fooling with anything else.
>>>
>>> You can set filters on your own newsreader, you know.
>>>
>> Yes, and I do, but there's always something new - with nin, in most
>> cases I only become aware of spam if some idiot responds to it!
>
> That's the problem with filters. You filter and someone you like to
> read posts the idiot's entire diatribe. That's Usenet!
>

Yep. I tried to filter our village idiot but there are a couple others
who are compulsive responders, quote the entire idiotic post only to add
a line at the end.

"S Viemeister" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/30/2014 4:18 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>> "Ophelia" > wrote
>>> "S Viemeister" > wrote
>>>> On 7/30/2014 2:05 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>> Good point. If you find out do let me know. Oh btw, you asked me to
>>>>> report on those gloves? ACE!!!
>>>>>
>>>> I may treat myself, then.
>>>> Where did you get them, and do they have large sizes?
>>>
>>> These are mine but they are only showing medium.
>>>
>>> http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004IUDCI...051_TE_3p_dp_1
>>
>> Oh looked again. You CAN get large )) duhhhhh
>>
> So I see. Perhaps they just restocked?

If you go into that site, the 'medium' is highlighted and the 'small and
large' are not. BUT click on on of them and Bingo, it gets highlighted.

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On 2014-07-30 5:22 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:

>> If it happens again I will have the Visa person stay on the line until
>> the business issues that credit.
>
> Get a different bank! You were not dealing with Visa, you were dealing
> with a bank that offers the Visa cards.
>
I just don't deal with Visa much any more.
FWIW... My wife just breezed through here and asked my about my kayaking
today and I said how nice the creek was. She asked if that was the creek
by the restaurant where they tried to rip us off on the Visa card.

On 2014-07-30 6:21 PM, wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 16:23:54 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>
>>
>>
>> I am careful about where I use my cards and there is an ethnic angle to
>> it. There are a couple different immigrant communities where credit card
>> and bank card schemes seem to be more common. If I go to a gas station
>> and see it staffed by one of them, they get cash. I prefer to pay by
>> debit, so I find another place.
>
> Wow that's one hell of a statement So you wouldn't be trusting me
> to take your card in payment!


Why? Are you a member of one of those groups that are prone to credit
card fraud? Is there some reason that you automatically recognized
yourself being in one of them? Actually, it had never occurred to me
that you might be.

"S Viemeister" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/30/2014 2:47 PM, wrote:
>> I hope I don't tempt fate by saying I have never had any problems and
>> hold several credit cards, I am just sensible with them. If something
>> happens these days, like it did with you, the system pretty quickly
>> picks up on it not being your usual spending and checks. A friend did
>> not even know her card had been stolen, until the bank called her,
>> only about ten minutes after it had been stolen. The idiot was trying
>> to buy a stereo system, not her sort of expense.
>>
> I can happen even if you're careful.
> My husband's American Express card was cloned (we believe at a Costco gas
> pump), and used to buy massive amounts of fuel in Texas - on the same day
> that he bought his usual amount of gas at his usual place in NJ. It took
> months to get it sorted out.

Wow. Here I thought the Costco pumps were safe because they are so busy and
there's always an attendant. Pretty sure they got mine at a gas pump once.
I had to put gas in a rental car to return it and for reasons we couldn't
put our fingers on, daughter and I both had bad feelings about this gas
station. I have since looked it up and the store attached to it got high
reviews on Yelp. But ever since then we have seen suspicious looking people
hanging out there. We didn't really see anything wrong on that day. We
just had bad feelings. I got the gas quickly and left. I didn't see or
feel a skimmer and I do check. The charges came in, in the middle of the
night right after. Skater clothing and shoes, expensive sunglasses and
headphones. Guy lived in TN. They gave me his name.

jmcquown wrote:
> On 7/30/2014 1:49 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>> On 7/30/2014 11:53 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>
>>> The funniest (or should I say phunniest?) phishing scam I got was a few
>>> years ago. Allegedly from the IRS. You have a tax refund! Just click
>>> on this link to claim it. R i i i g h t. That's not going to happen.
>>>
>>> First of all, I do my own taxes. I know when/if I'm due a tax refund.
>>> Secondly, since when does the IRS *email* people about refunds? They
>>> don't. If you look on their web site they even have a warning about
>>> scams like this:
>>>
>>> http://www.irs.gov/uac/Suspicious-e-...Identity-Theft
>>>
>>>
>>> The wisest and safest thing to do is simply delete the email. Certainly
>>> don't believe where they say they came from if you didn't instigate the
>>> email communication.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>>
>> Of course.
>>
>> Even if I get a legit looking email from my bank or a credit card, I
>> will not click the link. I'll go directly to the web site and log in
>> for the message.
>>
>> About a month ago, I got an email from my main credit card, so I went to
>> the site and logged in to find that they had denied a purchase in
>> California for over $300. I picked up the phone and called the credit
>> card company who ran a list of other purchases by me that were legit.
>> They closed the account and overnighted me a new card.
>
> I had a hacker with (of all places) WalMart in SoCal about three years
> ago. The idiot who hacked my credit card info (I have no idea how he
> did it, I'm very careful) was stupid enough to use *my* email to
> confirm purchases he made at a WalMart. As a result of his stupidity,
> I got an email confirmation: your order is ready for pickup.
>
> WTH?! I immediately called that WalMart location. Do NOT let this
> person pick up anything! Call the police. I don't know them. I
> haven't been in Southern California since 1967.
>
> I then called my bank and told them to cancel the card. It did take a
> couple of days for them to send me a replacement.
>
> To give WalMart credit, they responded immmediately. They had cops
> waiting for this guy when he came in to pick up a television and some
> other items he had ordered. He was promptly arrested. My card wasn't
> charged.
>
> Jill
>
Sure you did.

> wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 12:49:28 -0500, Janet Wilder >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>Even if I get a legit looking email from my bank or a credit card, I
>>will not click the link. I'll go directly to the web site and log in
>>for the message.
>>
>>About a month ago, I got an email from my main credit card, so I went to
>>the site and logged in to find that they had denied a purchase in
>>California for over $300. I picked up the phone and called the credit
>>card company who ran a list of other purchases by me that were legit.
>>They closed the account and overnighted me a new card.
>>
>>They said they denied the transaction because the billing address did
>>not match.
>>
>>I had used the card at Target, supposedly the day before they got
>>hacked, so I'm guessing it was from the Target scheme.
>>
>>I use a Chase credit card and anytime there is an online or phone
>>transaction or one over $200, I get an instant email. I pay my bill in
>>full every month so I don't shop for rates and I feel very safe with
>>Chase.
>
> I hope I don't tempt fate by saying I have never had any problems and
> hold several credit cards, I am just sensible with them. If something
> happens these days, like it did with you, the system pretty quickly
> picks up on it not being your usual spending and checks. A friend did
> not even know her card had been stolen, until the bank called her,
> only about ten minutes after it had been stolen. The idiot was trying
> to buy a stereo system, not her sort of expense.

I had a credit card number stolen a few years ago. I must say the people
that stole the number were going by train through Switzerland, so they were
on an adventure at least. Thieves.

Cheri

On 7/30/2014 5:13 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
> I caught a crook who is currently doing time in a Federal prison.
>
> We were on a cruise and when we got home our Discover bill was in the
> mail. There were charges in Arlington, TX that were incurred when we
> were on the water.
>
(snippage)

> Police came and they deactivated his room keys. He came to the desk and
> they nabbed him.
>
> This turned out to be a big ring of thieves that I had busted.
>
Good for you!

> I did get a phone call from the Arlington Police Department with a very
> humble apology.
>
That had to be so irritating. So what if you didn't live there? The
theft was occurring in their town, FFS!

> No body messes with me and gets away with it!
>
You go, girl!

Jill

On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 18:15:26 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

> I had a credit card number stolen a few years ago. I must say the people
> that stole the number were going by train through Switzerland, so they were
> on an adventure at least. Thieves.

Or maybe it was their way of trying to outrun the authorities.

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

"sf" > wrote in message
news
> On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 18:15:26 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>> I had a credit card number stolen a few years ago. I must say the people
>> that stole the number were going by train through Switzerland, so they
>> were
>> on an adventure at least. Thieves.
>
> Or maybe it was their way of trying to outrun the authorities.

LOL, could be.

Cheri

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> I had a credit card number stolen a few years ago. I must say the people
> that stole the number were going by train through Switzerland, so they
> were on an adventure at least. Thieves.

I bank with BECU and they were hacked! They had to replace all of our Visa
cards.

On 2014-07-30 6:58 PM, wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 18:51:55 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2014-07-30 6:21 PM, wrote:
>>> On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 16:23:54 -0400, Dave Smith
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am careful about where I use my cards and there is an ethnic angle to
>>>> it. There are a couple different immigrant communities where credit card
>>>> and bank card schemes seem to be more common. If I go to a gas station
>>>> and see it staffed by one of them, they get cash. I prefer to pay by
>>>> debit, so I find another place.
>>>
>>> Wow that's one hell of a statement So you wouldn't be trusting me
>>> to take your card in payment!
>>
>>
>> Why? Are you a member of one of those groups that are prone to credit
>> card fraud? Is there some reason that you automatically recognized
>> yourself being in one of them? Actually, it had never occurred to me
>> that you might be.
>
> Well I am an immigrant, one of the people you branded.
>


Like I said that are a couple different immigrant groups where credit
and debit card fraud is a problem. Since you seem to prefer to live in
denial I will leave it to you find out the hard way which ones they are.

On 7/30/2014 3:15 PM, Cheri wrote:
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 12:49:28 -0500, Janet Wilder >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Even if I get a legit looking email from my bank or a credit card, I
>>> will not click the link. I'll go directly to the web site and log in
>>> for the message.
>>>
>>> About a month ago, I got an email from my main credit card, so I went to
>>> the site and logged in to find that they had denied a purchase in
>>> California for over $300. I picked up the phone and called the credit
>>> card company who ran a list of other purchases by me that were legit.
>>> They closed the account and overnighted me a new card.
>>>
>>> They said they denied the transaction because the billing address did
>>> not match.
>>>
>>> I had used the card at Target, supposedly the day before they got
>>> hacked, so I'm guessing it was from the Target scheme.
>>>
>>> I use a Chase credit card and anytime there is an online or phone
>>> transaction or one over $200, I get an instant email. I pay my bill in
>>> full every month so I don't shop for rates and I feel very safe with
>>> Chase.
>>
>> I hope I don't tempt fate by saying I have never had any problems and
>> hold several credit cards, I am just sensible with them. If something
>> happens these days, like it did with you, the system pretty quickly
>> picks up on it not being your usual spending and checks. A friend did
>> not even know her card had been stolen, until the bank called her,
>> only about ten minutes after it had been stolen. The idiot was trying
>> to buy a stereo system, not her sort of expense.
>
> I had a credit card number stolen a few years ago. I must say the people
> that stole the number were going by train through Switzerland, so they
> were on an adventure at least. Thieves.
>
> Cheri

Those pesky foreign folks have been sending me a lot of email as
Hawaiian Telecom saying that my email account has reached it's limit or
that it's overhauling the mail system and I need to log in. They're
really ramping up the phishing.

The one I got yesterday was really sweet. It's a series of 5 delivery
failure emails followed by a notice saying that the account is in
violation of the terms of service and my computer was spamming. That one
was pretty alarming. After checking my office computers, it appears that
the delivery failure emails were the setup and the real phish came
later. They almost got me that time!

On Thu, 31 Jul 2014 12:30:07 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:

> The one I got yesterday was really sweet. It's a series of 5 delivery
> failure emails followed by a notice saying that the account is in
> violation of the terms of service and my computer was spamming. That one
> was pretty alarming. After checking my office computers, it appears that
> the delivery failure emails were the setup and the real phish came
> later. They almost got me that time!

Unfortunately it does happen. I don't know what hubby did, but he
never turns his computer off and it was spamming 24-7. I ignored the
first couple of emails from my ISP, but finally called them to see
what was going on and it wasn't easy to fix.

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

On 7/31/2014 1:27 PM, sf wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Jul 2014 12:30:07 -1000, dsi1
> > wrote:
>
>> The one I got yesterday was really sweet. It's a series of 5 delivery
>> failure emails followed by a notice saying that the account is in
>> violation of the terms of service and my computer was spamming. That one
>> was pretty alarming. After checking my office computers, it appears that
>> the delivery failure emails were the setup and the real phish came
>> later. They almost got me that time!
>
> Unfortunately it does happen. I don't know what hubby did, but he
> never turns his computer off and it was spamming 24-7. I ignored the
> first couple of emails from my ISP, but finally called them to see
> what was going on and it wasn't easy to fix.
>

Like most good magic tricks and scams, you have to distract your mark
from what they should be really looking at. Normally, I'd just ignore
email from Hawaiian Telcom.

My step-mom's nephew from Sweden just married a gal from your fair city.
The strange thing is that her parents live on the big island and my dad
knows them. I can't begin to fathom how something like that happens in
this big old world.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/30/2014 3:15 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 12:49:28 -0500, Janet Wilder >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Even if I get a legit looking email from my bank or a credit card, I
>>>> will not click the link. I'll go directly to the web site and log in
>>>> for the message.
>>>>
>>>> About a month ago, I got an email from my main credit card, so I went
>>>> to
>>>> the site and logged in to find that they had denied a purchase in
>>>> California for over $300. I picked up the phone and called the credit
>>>> card company who ran a list of other purchases by me that were legit.
>>>> They closed the account and overnighted me a new card.
>>>>
>>>> They said they denied the transaction because the billing address did
>>>> not match.
>>>>
>>>> I had used the card at Target, supposedly the day before they got
>>>> hacked, so I'm guessing it was from the Target scheme.
>>>>
>>>> I use a Chase credit card and anytime there is an online or phone
>>>> transaction or one over $200, I get an instant email. I pay my bill in
>>>> full every month so I don't shop for rates and I feel very safe with
>>>> Chase.
>>>
>>> I hope I don't tempt fate by saying I have never had any problems and
>>> hold several credit cards, I am just sensible with them. If something
>>> happens these days, like it did with you, the system pretty quickly
>>> picks up on it not being your usual spending and checks. A friend did
>>> not even know her card had been stolen, until the bank called her,
>>> only about ten minutes after it had been stolen. The idiot was trying
>>> to buy a stereo system, not her sort of expense.
>>
>> I had a credit card number stolen a few years ago. I must say the people
>> that stole the number were going by train through Switzerland, so they
>> were on an adventure at least. Thieves.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> Those pesky foreign folks have been sending me a lot of email as Hawaiian
> Telecom saying that my email account has reached it's limit or that it's
> overhauling the mail system and I need to log in. They're really ramping
> up the phishing.
>
> The one I got yesterday was really sweet. It's a series of 5 delivery
> failure emails followed by a notice saying that the account is in
> violation of the terms of service and my computer was spamming. That one
> was pretty alarming. After checking my office computers, it appears that
> the delivery failure emails were the setup and the real phish came later.
> They almost got me that time!

I wasted a big chunk of time today. Got an email from Frontier telling me
that I needed to upgrade my mail or third parties could read my messages.
Sounded bogus so I started an online chat with them only to discover that I
has started the wrong online chat.

Got into the right chat. Waited. Had to verify stuff. Seems it was legit.
K. Went back to the email and clicked on the link to tell me what to do.
Seems it was a video. I was like... Why would they do a video instead of
just listing the steps? Only there were no actual video there. Just a
black screen.

So started another chat. Repeat above. Guy types out all of the
instructions and... All of my settings were correct!

But to close one screen it forced me to enter a bunch of survey stuff for
them about how my customer service experience went? Then when I got home
later, I got two emails asking me to do more surveys. Uh no. Buy a clue
people! Don't just assume that everyone has no clue how to configure their
email. Sheesh.

On Thursday, July 31, 2014 4:55:28 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > On 7/30/2014 3:15 PM, Cheri wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> > wrote in message
>
> >> ...
>
> >>> On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 12:49:28 -0500, Janet Wilder >
>
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> Even if I get a legit looking email from my bank or a credit card, I
>
> >>>> will not click the link. I'll go directly to the web site and log in
>
> >>>> for the message.
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> About a month ago, I got an email from my main credit card, so I went
>
> >>>> to
>
> >>>> the site and logged in to find that they had denied a purchase in
>
> >>>> California for over $300. I picked up the phone and called the credit
>
> >>>> card company who ran a list of other purchases by me that were legit.
>
> >>>> They closed the account and overnighted me a new card.
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> They said they denied the transaction because the billing address did
>
> >>>> not match.
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> I had used the card at Target, supposedly the day before they got
>
> >>>> hacked, so I'm guessing it was from the Target scheme.
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> I use a Chase credit card and anytime there is an online or phone
>
> >>>> transaction or one over $200, I get an instant email. I pay my bill in
>
> >>>> full every month so I don't shop for rates and I feel very safe with
>
> >>>> Chase.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> I hope I don't tempt fate by saying I have never had any problems and
>
> >>> hold several credit cards, I am just sensible with them. If something
>
> >>> happens these days, like it did with you, the system pretty quickly
>
> >>> picks up on it not being your usual spending and checks. A friend did
>
> >>> not even know her card had been stolen, until the bank called her,
>
> >>> only about ten minutes after it had been stolen. The idiot was trying
>
> >>> to buy a stereo system, not her sort of expense.
>
> >>
>
> >> I had a credit card number stolen a few years ago. I must say the people
>
> >> that stole the number were going by train through Switzerland, so they
>
> >> were on an adventure at least. Thieves.
>
> >>
>
> >> Cheri
>
> >
>
> > Those pesky foreign folks have been sending me a lot of email as Hawaiian
>
> > Telecom saying that my email account has reached it's limit or that it's
>
> > overhauling the mail system and I need to log in. They're really ramping
>
> > up the phishing.
>
> >
>
> > The one I got yesterday was really sweet. It's a series of 5 delivery
>
> > failure emails followed by a notice saying that the account is in
>
> > violation of the terms of service and my computer was spamming. That one
>
> > was pretty alarming. After checking my office computers, it appears that
>
> > the delivery failure emails were the setup and the real phish came later.
>
> > They almost got me that time!
>
>
>
> I wasted a big chunk of time today. Got an email from Frontier telling me
>
> that I needed to upgrade my mail or third parties could read my messages.
>
> Sounded bogus so I started an online chat with them only to discover that I
>
> has started the wrong online chat.
>
>
>
> Got into the right chat. Waited. Had to verify stuff. Seems it was legit.
>
> K. Went back to the email and clicked on the link to tell me what to do.
>
> Seems it was a video. I was like... Why would they do a video instead of
>
> just listing the steps? Only there were no actual video there. Just a
>
> black screen.
>
>
>
> So started another chat. Repeat above. Guy types out all of the
>
> instructions and... All of my settings were correct!
>
>
>
> But to close one screen it forced me to enter a bunch of survey stuff for
>
> them about how my customer service experience went? Then when I got home
>
> later, I got two emails asking me to do more surveys. Uh no. Buy a clue
>
> people! Don't just assume that everyone has no clue how to configure their
>
> email. Sheesh.

Frontier email sounds like a real drag. Looks like you're paying a lot for this free service.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Thursday, July 31, 2014 4:55:28 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>>
>> > On 7/30/2014 3:15 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> > wrote in message
>>
>> >> ...
>>
>> >>> On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 12:49:28 -0500, Janet Wilder
>> >>> >
>>
>> >>> wrote:
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> Even if I get a legit looking email from my bank or a credit card, I
>>
>> >>>> will not click the link. I'll go directly to the web site and log
>> >>>> in
>>
>> >>>> for the message.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> About a month ago, I got an email from my main credit card, so I
>> >>>> went
>>
>> >>>> to
>>
>> >>>> the site and logged in to find that they had denied a purchase in
>>
>> >>>> California for over $300. I picked up the phone and called the
>> >>>> credit
>>
>> >>>> card company who ran a list of other purchases by me that were
>> >>>> legit.
>>
>> >>>> They closed the account and overnighted me a new card.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> They said they denied the transaction because the billing address
>> >>>> did
>>
>> >>>> not match.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> I had used the card at Target, supposedly the day before they got
>>
>> >>>> hacked, so I'm guessing it was from the Target scheme.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> I use a Chase credit card and anytime there is an online or phone
>>
>> >>>> transaction or one over $200, I get an instant email. I pay my bill
>> >>>> in
>>
>> >>>> full every month so I don't shop for rates and I feel very safe with
>>
>> >>>> Chase.
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> I hope I don't tempt fate by saying I have never had any problems and
>>
>> >>> hold several credit cards, I am just sensible with them. If
>> >>> something
>>
>> >>> happens these days, like it did with you, the system pretty quickly
>>
>> >>> picks up on it not being your usual spending and checks. A friend
>> >>> did
>>
>> >>> not even know her card had been stolen, until the bank called her,
>>
>> >>> only about ten minutes after it had been stolen. The idiot was
>> >>> trying
>>
>> >>> to buy a stereo system, not her sort of expense.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> I had a credit card number stolen a few years ago. I must say the
>> >> people
>>
>> >> that stole the number were going by train through Switzerland, so they
>>
>> >> were on an adventure at least. Thieves.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> Cheri
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Those pesky foreign folks have been sending me a lot of email as
>> > Hawaiian
>>
>> > Telecom saying that my email account has reached it's limit or that
>> > it's
>>
>> > overhauling the mail system and I need to log in. They're really
>> > ramping
>>
>> > up the phishing.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > The one I got yesterday was really sweet. It's a series of 5 delivery
>>
>> > failure emails followed by a notice saying that the account is in
>>
>> > violation of the terms of service and my computer was spamming. That
>> > one
>>
>> > was pretty alarming. After checking my office computers, it appears
>> > that
>>
>> > the delivery failure emails were the setup and the real phish came
>> > later.
>>
>> > They almost got me that time!
>>
>>
>>
>> I wasted a big chunk of time today. Got an email from Frontier telling
>> me
>>
>> that I needed to upgrade my mail or third parties could read my messages.
>>
>> Sounded bogus so I started an online chat with them only to discover that
>> I
>>
>> has started the wrong online chat.
>>
>>
>>
>> Got into the right chat. Waited. Had to verify stuff. Seems it was
>> legit.
>>
>> K. Went back to the email and clicked on the link to tell me what to do.
>>
>> Seems it was a video. I was like... Why would they do a video instead
>> of
>>
>> just listing the steps? Only there were no actual video there. Just a
>>
>> black screen.
>>
>>
>>
>> So started another chat. Repeat above. Guy types out all of the
>>
>> instructions and... All of my settings were correct!
>>
>>
>>
>> But to close one screen it forced me to enter a bunch of survey stuff for
>>
>> them about how my customer service experience went? Then when I got home
>>
>> later, I got two emails asking me to do more surveys. Uh no. Buy a clue
>>
>> people! Don't just assume that everyone has no clue how to configure
>> their
>>
>> email. Sheesh.
>
> Frontier email sounds like a real drag. Looks like you're paying a lot for
> this free service.

I don't think Frontier email is free, seeing as how I had to pay for it.
And I spent about 2 hours in phone calls again tonight! Seems each time I
try to send a pic from my phone to my email, it screws things up. I don't
know how. Guy on the phone was trying to tell me that it was my AV. Nope.
Both times I kept getting an error message that I didn't have an account.
The pics would send sporadically. One one send. Then I could try 15 times
and it wouldn't.

Guy on the phone told me to retrieve pics via Webmail which is now Yahoo. I
wasn't thinking when he said this. If they didn't send, they didn't send!
And they didn't send to Webmail either. So while waiting on hold for the
third time... First time they hung up on me and never called back... Tada!
Last pic sent.

I don't know what's going on there except that they seem to have a bunch of
idiots.

On Thursday, July 31, 2014 10:38:10 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
> "dsi1" <> wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > On Thursday, July 31, 2014 4:55:28 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> >> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>
> >>
>
> >> ...
>
> >>
>
> >> > On 7/30/2014 3:15 PM, Cheri wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >> > wrote in message
>
> >>
>
> >> >> ...
>
> >>
>
> >> >>> On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 12:49:28 -0500, Janet Wilder
>
> >> >>> >
>
> >>
>
> >> >>> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> >>>
>
> >>
>
> >> >>>>
>
> >>
>
> >> >>>> Even if I get a legit looking email from my bank or a credit card, I
>
> >>
>
> >> >>>> will not click the link. I'll go directly to the web site and log
>
> >> >>>> in
>
> >>
>
> >> >>>> for the message.
>
> >>
>
> >> >>>>
>
> >>
>
> >> >>>> About a month ago, I got an email from my main credit card, so I
>
> >> >>>> went
>
> >>
>
> >> >>>> to
>
> >>
>
> >> >>>> the site and logged in to find that they had denied a purchase in
>
> >>
>
> >> >>>> California for over $300. I picked up the phone and called the
>
> >> >>>> credit
>
> >>
>
> >> >>>> card company who ran a list of other purchases by me that were
>
> >> >>>> legit.
>
> >>
>
> >> >>>> They closed the account and overnighted me a new card.
>
> >>
>
> >> >>>>
>
> >>
>
> >> >>>> They said they denied the transaction because the billing address
>
> >> >>>> did
>
> >>
>
> >> >>>> not match.
>
> >>
>
> >> >>>>
>
> >>
>
> >> >>>> I had used the card at Target, supposedly the day before they got
>
> >>
>
> >> >>>> hacked, so I'm guessing it was from the Target scheme.
>
> >>
>
> >> >>>>
>
> >>
>
> >> >>>> I use a Chase credit card and anytime there is an online or phone
>
> >>
>
> >> >>>> transaction or one over $200, I get an instant email. I pay my bill
>
> >> >>>> in
>
> >>
>
> >> >>>> full every month so I don't shop for rates and I feel very safe with
>
> >>
>
> >> >>>> Chase.
>
> >>
>
> >> >>>
>
> >>
>
> >> >>> I hope I don't tempt fate by saying I have never had any problems and
>
> >>
>
> >> >>> hold several credit cards, I am just sensible with them. If
>
> >> >>> something
>
> >>
>
> >> >>> happens these days, like it did with you, the system pretty quickly
>
> >>
>
> >> >>> picks up on it not being your usual spending and checks. A friend
>
> >> >>> did
>
> >>
>
> >> >>> not even know her card had been stolen, until the bank called her,
>
> >>
>
> >> >>> only about ten minutes after it had been stolen. The idiot was
>
> >> >>> trying
>
> >>
>
> >> >>> to buy a stereo system, not her sort of expense.
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >> I had a credit card number stolen a few years ago. I must say the
>
> >> >> people
>
> >>
>
> >> >> that stole the number were going by train through Switzerland, so they
>
> >>
>
> >> >> were on an adventure at least. Thieves.
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >> Cheri
>
> >>
>
> >> >
>
> >>
>
> >> > Those pesky foreign folks have been sending me a lot of email as
>
> >> > Hawaiian
>
> >>
>
> >> > Telecom saying that my email account has reached it's limit or that
>
> >> > it's
>
> >>
>
> >> > overhauling the mail system and I need to log in. They're really
>
> >> > ramping
>
> >>
>
> >> > up the phishing.
>
> >>
>
> >> >
>
> >>
>
> >> > The one I got yesterday was really sweet. It's a series of 5 delivery
>
> >>
>
> >> > failure emails followed by a notice saying that the account is in
>
> >>
>
> >> > violation of the terms of service and my computer was spamming. That
>
> >> > one
>
> >>
>
> >> > was pretty alarming. After checking my office computers, it appears
>
> >> > that
>
> >>
>
> >> > the delivery failure emails were the setup and the real phish came
>
> >> > later.
>
> >>
>
> >> > They almost got me that time!
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> I wasted a big chunk of time today. Got an email from Frontier telling
>
> >> me
>
> >>
>
> >> that I needed to upgrade my mail or third parties could read my messages.
>
> >>
>
> >> Sounded bogus so I started an online chat with them only to discover that
>
> >> I
>
> >>
>
> >> has started the wrong online chat.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> Got into the right chat. Waited. Had to verify stuff. Seems it was
>
> >> legit.
>
> >>
>
> >> K. Went back to the email and clicked on the link to tell me what to do.
>
> >>
>
> >> Seems it was a video. I was like... Why would they do a video instead
>
> >> of
>
> >>
>
> >> just listing the steps? Only there were no actual video there. Just a
>
> >>
>
> >> black screen.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> So started another chat. Repeat above. Guy types out all of the
>
> >>
>
> >> instructions and... All of my settings were correct!
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> But to close one screen it forced me to enter a bunch of survey stuff for
>
> >>
>
> >> them about how my customer service experience went? Then when I got home
>
> >>
>
> >> later, I got two emails asking me to do more surveys. Uh no. Buy a clue
>
> >>
>
> >> people! Don't just assume that everyone has no clue how to configure
>
> >> their
>
> >>
>
> >> email. Sheesh.
>
> >
>
> > Frontier email sounds like a real drag. Looks like you're paying a lot for
>
> > this free service.
>
>
>
> I don't think Frontier email is free, seeing as how I had to pay for it.
>
> And I spent about 2 hours in phone calls again tonight! Seems each time I
>
> try to send a pic from my phone to my email, it screws things up. I don't
>
> know how. Guy on the phone was trying to tell me that it was my AV. Nope.
>
> Both times I kept getting an error message that I didn't have an account.
>
> The pics would send sporadically. One one send. Then I could try 15 times
>
> and it wouldn't.
>
>
>
> Guy on the phone told me to retrieve pics via Webmail which is now Yahoo. I
>
> wasn't thinking when he said this. If they didn't send, they didn't send!
>
> And they didn't send to Webmail either. So while waiting on hold for the
>
> third time... First time they hung up on me and never called back... Tada!
>
> Last pic sent.
>
>
>
> I don't know what's going on there except that they seem to have a bunch of
>
> idiots.

Well alrighty then, you got me sold - I'm staying away from Frontier!

On 7/30/2014 11:46 AM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 23:34:38 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 7/29/2014 2:34 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>> On 7/29/2014 4:53 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>> What problem are you having with Google Groups? Freaking hating a
>>>>> program seems to be an
>>>>> overreaction.
>>>>
>>>> Google Groups is atrocious. It appears to have been created as an
>>>> afterthought. There is no method for blocking spam (the majority of
>>>> which seems to come from people with gmail accounts). Sure, you can
>>>> report them; fat lot of good it will do. The [lack of] formatting
>>>> sucks; the line spacing if you post a reply to someone who uses GG is
>>>> annoying as hell. How's that for starters?
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> Spam has been a part of the Usenet long before GG. Google ain't to blame.
>>> You can make complaints to the poster's HTTP server or Google Groups but
>>> why would you want to spend your time in such a way? The formatting
>>> problem is annoying but the sheer entertainment value of folks blowing
>>> their tops over this small thing makes it all worthwhile. (-:
>>
>> Yes but if you can filter it, you don't see it.
>
> Unfiltered spam is one of the many reasons why I hate Google's usenet
> groups. If they can filter spam from their email, they should be able
> to filter it from usenet too - but they don't.
>

Usenet gives them no financial incentive to do so, since it isn't
owned by anyone. With no responsible party, there's no interest in
doing anything to change the Usenet experience. And *that*, boys and
girls, is the real reason most ISPs dumped Usenet support. Unlike the
WWW, Usenet makes no money for anyone. Better to push people onto the
Web, where they can pay for their experiences via advertising and data
scraping.

On Tuesday, July 29, 2014 12:07:42 AM UTC-4, Roy wrote:
>
> Best readable postings I've seen from Julie for years but she won't use Google Groups unless its an emergency.

Although I use Google Groups, I recognize that it an awful product.

http://www.richardfisher.com

On Tuesday, August 5, 2014 5:01:55 AM UTC-10, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
> On 7/30/2014 11:46 AM, sf wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 23:34:38 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>
> > > wrote:
>
> >
>
> >>
>
> >> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>
> >> ...
>
> >>> On 7/29/2014 2:34 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>
> >>>> On 7/29/2014 4:53 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> >>>>> What problem are you having with Google Groups? Freaking hating a
>
> >>>>> program seems to be an
>
> >>>>> overreaction.
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> Google Groups is atrocious. It appears to have been created as an
>
> >>>> afterthought. There is no method for blocking spam (the majority of
>
> >>>> which seems to come from people with gmail accounts). Sure, you can
>
> >>>> report them; fat lot of good it will do. The [lack of] formatting
>
> >>>> sucks; the line spacing if you post a reply to someone who uses GG is
>
> >>>> annoying as hell. How's that for starters?
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> Jill
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Spam has been a part of the Usenet long before GG. Google ain't to blame.
>
> >>> You can make complaints to the poster's HTTP server or Google Groups but
>
> >>> why would you want to spend your time in such a way? The formatting
>
> >>> problem is annoying but the sheer entertainment value of folks blowing
>
> >>> their tops over this small thing makes it all worthwhile. (-:
>
> >>
>
> >> Yes but if you can filter it, you don't see it.
>
> >
>
> > Unfiltered spam is one of the many reasons why I hate Google's usenet
>
> > groups. If they can filter spam from their email, they should be able
>
> > to filter it from usenet too - but they don't.
>
> >
>
>
>
> Usenet gives them no financial incentive to do so, since it isn't
>
> owned by anyone. With no responsible party, there's no interest in
>
> doing anything to change the Usenet experience. And *that*, boys and
>
> girls, is the real reason most ISPs dumped Usenet support. Unlike the
>
> WWW, Usenet makes no money for anyone. Better to push people onto the
>
> Web, where they can pay for their experiences via advertising and data
>
> scraping.

This certainly sounds reasonable and true. Hopefully, the boys and girls can live with that reality.

On Wed, 6 Aug 2014 10:07:38 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

> On Tuesday, August 5, 2014 5:01:55 AM UTC-10, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
> > On 7/30/2014 11:46 AM, sf wrote:
> >
>> With no responsible party, there's no interest in
> >
> > doing anything to change the Usenet experience. And *that*, boys and
> >
> > girls, is the real reason most ISPs dumped Usenet support. Unlike the
> >
> > WWW, Usenet makes no money for anyone. Better to push people onto the
> >
> > Web, where they can pay for their experiences via advertising and data
> >
> > scraping.
>
> This certainly sounds reasonable and true. Hopefully, the boys and girls can live with that reality.

People are going to web forums because they are moderated and the crap
that goes on here is deleted there.

--

Never trust a dog to watch your food.

On 8/6/2014 8:07 PM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Aug 2014 10:07:38 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, August 5, 2014 5:01:55 AM UTC-10, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
>>> On 7/30/2014 11:46 AM, sf wrote:
>>>
>>> With no responsible party, there's no interest in
>>>
>>> doing anything to change the Usenet experience. And *that*, boys and
>>>
>>> girls, is the real reason most ISPs dumped Usenet support. Unlike the
>>>
>>> WWW, Usenet makes no money for anyone. Better to push people onto the
>>>
>>> Web, where they can pay for their experiences via advertising and data
>>>
>>> scraping.
>>
>> This certainly sounds reasonable and true. Hopefully, the boys and girls can live with that reality.
>
> People are going to web forums because they are moderated and the crap
> that goes on here is deleted there.
>

It's like a war zone down here. My guess is that when this is all gone,
we'll look back fondly on Usenet. Strange but true - I think.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 6 Aug 2014 10:07:38 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, August 5, 2014 5:01:55 AM UTC-10, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
>> > On 7/30/2014 11:46 AM, sf wrote:
>> >
>>> With no responsible party, there's no interest in
>> >
>> > doing anything to change the Usenet experience. And *that*, boys and
>> >
>> > girls, is the real reason most ISPs dumped Usenet support. Unlike the
>> >
>> > WWW, Usenet makes no money for anyone. Better to push people onto the
>> >
>> > Web, where they can pay for their experiences via advertising and data
>> >
>> > scraping.
>>
>> This certainly sounds reasonable and true. Hopefully, the boys and girls
>> can live with that reality.
>
> People are going to web forums because they are moderated and the crap
> that goes on here is deleted there.

I'm okay with some moderation but... You can really get mods who overstep
their bounds IMO and that I don't like. Plus these days you usually have to
join to post on forums. Just too hard to get rid of all the spam if they
don't do otherwise.

On 8/7/2014 1:07 AM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Aug 2014 10:07:38 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, August 5, 2014 5:01:55 AM UTC-10, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
>>> On 7/30/2014 11:46 AM, sf wrote:
>>>
>>> With no responsible party, there's no interest in
>>>
>>> doing anything to change the Usenet experience. And *that*, boys and
>>>
>>> girls, is the real reason most ISPs dumped Usenet support. Unlike the
>>>
>>> WWW, Usenet makes no money for anyone. Better to push people onto the
>>>
>>> Web, where they can pay for their experiences via advertising and data
>>>
>>> scraping.
>>
>> This certainly sounds reasonable and true. Hopefully, the boys and girls can live with that reality.
>
> People are going to web forums because they are moderated and the crap
> that goes on here is deleted there.
>

I would miss "the crap". The arguments people have on Usenet are a
reflection of the differing opinions in our society. Sometimes a good
Usenet argument is stimulating and fun, especially with a "worthy foe"

I belong to quite a few forums that are moderated and have even served
my term as moderator on several. Moderation does keep the fighting
down, but it is censorship, and, given the choice, Id rather fight than
be censored.

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

"Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
b.com...
> On 8/7/2014 1:07 AM, sf wrote:
>> On Wed, 6 Aug 2014 10:07:38 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 5, 2014 5:01:55 AM UTC-10, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
>>>> On 7/30/2014 11:46 AM, sf wrote:
>>>>
>>>> With no responsible party, there's no interest in
>>>>
>>>> doing anything to change the Usenet experience. And *that*, boys and
>>>>
>>>> girls, is the real reason most ISPs dumped Usenet support. Unlike the
>>>>
>>>> WWW, Usenet makes no money for anyone. Better to push people onto the
>>>>
>>>> Web, where they can pay for their experiences via advertising and data
>>>>
>>>> scraping.
>>>
>>> This certainly sounds reasonable and true. Hopefully, the boys and girls
>>> can live with that reality.
>>
>> People are going to web forums because they are moderated and the crap
>> that goes on here is deleted there.
>>
>
> I would miss "the crap". The arguments people have on Usenet are a
> reflection of the differing opinions in our society. Sometimes a good
> Usenet argument is stimulating and fun, especially with a "worthy foe"
>
> I belong to quite a few forums that are moderated and have even served my
> term as moderator on several. Moderation does keep the fighting down, but
> it is censorship, and, given the choice, Id rather fight than be censored.

Oh yes! It is easy to ignore or killfile. I don't need to have someone
else restrict what I may see.

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 22:09:36 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:

> It's like a war zone down here. My guess is that when this is all gone,
> we'll look back fondly on Usenet. Strange but true - I think.

I don't, honestly. I belong to several cooking groups on FB and only
one of them is anything like this.

--

Never trust a dog to watch your food.

On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 01:56:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> I'm okay with some moderation but... You can really get mods who overstep
> their bounds IMO and that I don't like.

Their group, their rules. Don't want to play by their rules, go
somewhere else.

> Plus these days you usually have to
> join to post on forums. Just too hard to get rid of all the spam if they
> don't do otherwise.

Which is fine by me.

--

Never trust a dog to watch your food.

On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 11:47:34 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:
>
>
> "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
> b.com...
> > On 8/7/2014 1:07 AM, sf wrote:
> >> On Wed, 6 Aug 2014 10:07:38 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Tuesday, August 5, 2014 5:01:55 AM UTC-10, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
> >>>> On 7/30/2014 11:46 AM, sf wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> With no responsible party, there's no interest in
> >>>>
> >>>> doing anything to change the Usenet experience. And *that*, boys and
> >>>>
> >>>> girls, is the real reason most ISPs dumped Usenet support. Unlike the
> >>>>
> >>>> WWW, Usenet makes no money for anyone. Better to push people onto the
> >>>>
> >>>> Web, where they can pay for their experiences via advertising and data
> >>>>
> >>>> scraping.
> >>>
> >>> This certainly sounds reasonable and true. Hopefully, the boys and girls
> >>> can live with that reality.
> >>
> >> People are going to web forums because they are moderated and the crap
> >> that goes on here is deleted there.
> >>
> >
> > I would miss "the crap". The arguments people have on Usenet are a
> > reflection of the differing opinions in our society. Sometimes a good
> > Usenet argument is stimulating and fun, especially with a "worthy foe"
> >
> > I belong to quite a few forums that are moderated and have even served my
> > term as moderator on several. Moderation does keep the fighting down, but
> > it is censorship, and, given the choice, Id rather fight than be censored.
>
> Oh yes! It is easy to ignore or killfile. I don't need to have someone
> else restrict what I may see.

That's why you're here and not elsewhere. Most people don't want to
put up with that kind of stuff and won't - so they are not here.

--

Never trust a dog to watch your food.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 11:47:34 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
>> b.com...
>> > On 8/7/2014 1:07 AM, sf wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 6 Aug 2014 10:07:38 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On Tuesday, August 5, 2014 5:01:55 AM UTC-10, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
>> >>>> On 7/30/2014 11:46 AM, sf wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> With no responsible party, there's no interest in
>> >>>>
>> >>>> doing anything to change the Usenet experience. And *that*, boys and
>> >>>>
>> >>>> girls, is the real reason most ISPs dumped Usenet support. Unlike
>> >>>> the
>> >>>>
>> >>>> WWW, Usenet makes no money for anyone. Better to push people onto
>> >>>> the
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Web, where they can pay for their experiences via advertising and
>> >>>> data
>> >>>>
>> >>>> scraping.
>> >>>
>> >>> This certainly sounds reasonable and true. Hopefully, the boys and
>> >>> girls
>> >>> can live with that reality.
>> >>
>> >> People are going to web forums because they are moderated and the crap
>> >> that goes on here is deleted there.
>> >>
>> >
>> > I would miss "the crap". The arguments people have on Usenet are a
>> > reflection of the differing opinions in our society. Sometimes a good
>> > Usenet argument is stimulating and fun, especially with a "worthy foe"
>> >
>> > I belong to quite a few forums that are moderated and have even served
>> > my
>> > term as moderator on several. Moderation does keep the fighting down,
>> > but
>> > it is censorship, and, given the choice, Id rather fight than be
>> > censored.
>>
>> Oh yes! It is easy to ignore or killfile. I don't need to have someone
>> else restrict what I may see.
>
> That's why you're here and not elsewhere. Most people don't want to
> put up with that kind of stuff and won't - so they are not here.

I know.

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On 8/6/2014 11:11 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>
> I would miss "the crap". The arguments people have on Usenet are a
> reflection of the differing opinions in our society. Sometimes a good
> Usenet argument is stimulating and fun, especially with a "worthy foe"
>
> I belong to quite a few forums that are moderated and have even served
> my term as moderator on several. Moderation does keep the fighting
> down, but it is censorship, and, given the choice, Id rather fight than
> be censored.
>

Your problem is that you place too much value in free speech. :-)

On 8/7/2014 6:34 AM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 22:09:36 -1000, dsi1
> > wrote:
>
>> It's like a war zone down here. My guess is that when this is all gone,
>> we'll look back fondly on Usenet. Strange but true - I think.
>
> I don't, honestly. I belong to several cooking groups on FB and only
> one of them is anything like this.
>

This puts the dampener on the notion that cooks are mellow, passive,
folks. I never would have guessed... :-)

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/7/2014 6:34 AM, sf wrote:
>> On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 22:09:36 -1000, dsi1
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> It's like a war zone down here. My guess is that when this is all gone,
>>> we'll look back fondly on Usenet. Strange but true - I think.
>>
>> I don't, honestly. I belong to several cooking groups on FB and only
>> one of them is anything like this.
>>
>
> This puts the dampener on the notion that cooks are mellow, passive,
> folks. I never would have guessed... :-)

Not from here at any rate))

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On 8/7/2014 10:01 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 8/7/2014 6:34 AM, sf wrote:
>>> On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 22:09:36 -1000, dsi1
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's like a war zone down here. My guess is that when this is all gone,
>>>> we'll look back fondly on Usenet. Strange but true - I think.
>>>
>>> I don't, honestly. I belong to several cooking groups on FB and only
>>> one of them is anything like this.
>>>
>>
>> This puts the dampener on the notion that cooks are mellow, passive,
>> folks. I never would have guessed... :-)
>
> Not from here at any rate))
>

Yeah, what's the deal? All the cooks I've known were very cool and open
folks. It's those TV chefs to blame I tell ya! (-:

On Thu, 07 Aug 2014 04:11:55 -0500, Janet Wilder >
wrote:

>On 8/7/2014 1:07 AM, sf wrote:
>> On Wed, 6 Aug 2014 10:07:38 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 5, 2014 5:01:55 AM UTC-10, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
>>>> On 7/30/2014 11:46 AM, sf wrote:
>>>>
>>>> With no responsible party, there's no interest in
>>>>
>>>> doing anything to change the Usenet experience. And *that*, boys and
>>>>
>>>> girls, is the real reason most ISPs dumped Usenet support. Unlike the
>>>>
>>>> WWW, Usenet makes no money for anyone. Better to push people onto the
>>>>
>>>> Web, where they can pay for their experiences via advertising and data
>>>>
>>>> scraping.
>>>
>>> This certainly sounds reasonable and true. Hopefully, the boys and girls can live with that reality.
>>
>> People are going to web forums because they are moderated and the crap
>> that goes on here is deleted there.
>>
>
>I would miss "the crap". The arguments people have on Usenet are a
>reflection of the differing opinions in our society. Sometimes a good
>Usenet argument is stimulating and fun, especially with a "worthy foe"

Agreed. So what if there's 'crap', as you say. At least with Usenet,
people can freely express themselves without fear of moderation, and
by extension read other people's uncensored posts, no matter how crazy
they might be. Plus, it's in plain text... without all the HTML bloat
and misc irrelevant crap that goes with that.

>I belong to quite a few forums that are moderated and have even served
>my term as moderator on several. Moderation does keep the fighting
>down, but it is censorship, and, given the choice, Id rather fight than
>be censored.

Also hard to find a good moderator, by that I mean one that is truly
impartial and can distance themselves from their own personal biases.
I'm a moderator for one forum, I think Usenet is a good training
ground, or at least can be, for such a task.

On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 17:58:13 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>"sf" > wrote in message
>>
>> That's why you're here and not elsewhere. Most people don't want to
>> put up with that kind of stuff and won't - so they are not here.
>
>I know.

That'd be a minor reason. Fact is, most people have no clue that
Usenet even exists. Even with a web-based Usenet site, would find it
too clunky to navigate. They're accustomed to Faecebook, etc.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/7/2014 10:01 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 8/7/2014 6:34 AM, sf wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 22:09:36 -1000, dsi1
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It's like a war zone down here. My guess is that when this is all
>>>>> gone,
>>>>> we'll look back fondly on Usenet. Strange but true - I think.
>>>>
>>>> I don't, honestly. I belong to several cooking groups on FB and only
>>>> one of them is anything like this.
>>>>
>>>
>>> This puts the dampener on the notion that cooks are mellow, passive,
>>> folks. I never would have guessed... :-)
>>
>> Not from here at any rate))
>>
>
> Yeah, what's the deal? All the cooks I've known were very cool and open
> folks. It's those TV chefs to blame I tell ya! (-:

Dunno I don't watch them any more. They are not a patch on the early ones
.... I tell ya!

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"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 17:58:13 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>"sf" > wrote in message
>>>
>>> That's why you're here and not elsewhere. Most people don't want to
>>> put up with that kind of stuff and won't - so they are not here.
>>
>>I know.
>
> That'd be a minor reason. Fact is, most people have no clue that
> Usenet even exists. Even with a web-based Usenet site, would find it
> too clunky to navigate. They're accustomed to Faecebook, etc.

Suits me ) I know most people on the groups I use after so many years and
know which ones to kf or ignore.


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On 8/7/2014 10:43 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 17:58:13 +0100, "Ophelia"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> That's why you're here and not elsewhere. Most people don't want to
>>>> put up with that kind of stuff and won't - so they are not here.
>>>
>>> I know.
>>
>> That'd be a minor reason. Fact is, most people have no clue that
>> Usenet even exists. Even with a web-based Usenet site, would find it
>> too clunky to navigate. They're accustomed to Faecebook, etc.
>
> Suits me ) I know most people on the groups I use after so many years
> and know which ones to kf or ignore.
>
>

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