On 8/4/2014 12:55 PM, Pico Rico wrote:
> "squirts" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 8/3/2014 7:58 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>> On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 16:45:45 -0400, pltrgyst wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/3/14, 11:29 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 09:21:54 -0400, pltrgyst wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Unless you have a really extreme situation, any device labelled as
>>>>>> consuming 1800 watts should be fine on a normal 15 amp circuit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Until the refrigerator on the same circuit cycles on...
>>>>
>>>> In many (perhaps most?) zoning ordinances, refrigerators are required to
>>>> be on dedicated circuits.
>>>
>>> In most apartments I've lived in, the refrigerator circuit is shared
>>> with other outlets. Plug in the electric smoker and the fridge or
>>> microwave turns on? Poof! Sometimes the microwave and the fridge
>>> won't even work together, and sometimes not while the TV is on!
>>>
>>> -sw
>>>
>> You must have lived in some real dives...
>
> more so when he moved out.
>
>
<chuckle>

On Sunday, August 3, 2014 8:02:55 AM UTC-4, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
> > I use the blow dryer for one purpose, defogging the bathroom mirror after showering so I can shave. I wish that I had a heated mirror. --Bryan

Wipe a small dab of shaving cream on the fogged glass and wipe an area large enough to shave. Fog is gone.

On Tuesday, August 5, 2014 10:29:57 AM UTC-4, Thomas wrote:
> On Sunday, August 3, 2014 8:02:55 AM UTC-4, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
>
> > > I use the blow dryer for one purpose, defogging the bathroom mirror after showering so I can shave. I wish that I had a heated mirror. --Bryan
>
> Wipe a small dab of shaving cream on the fogged glass and wipe an area large enough to shave. Fog is gone.

If it's your own home just install a decent extractor fan. If
not, just make do.

http://www.richardfisher.com

On 8/5/14, 10:29 AM, Thomas wrote:

> Wipe a small dab of shaving cream on the fogged glass and wipe an area large enough to shave. Fog is gone.

Any liquid soap will work.

That's an old army trick, from gas masks and such.

-- Larry

pltrgyst wrote:
> On 8/3/14, 11:29 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 09:21:54 -0400, pltrgyst wrote:
>>
>>> Unless you have a really extreme situation, any device labelled as
>>> consuming 1800 watts should be fine on a normal 15 amp circuit.
>>
>> Until the refrigerator on the same circuit cycles on...
>
> In many (perhaps most?) zoning ordinances, refrigerators are required
> to be on dedicated circuits.
>
> -- Larry

There are two different things at issue when it comes to zoning. The
important point, which no one has yet mentioned that I've noticed, is
that there are many, many things that are perfectly fine and legal in
your house that become illegal once you start doing significant
construction on your home, at which point those things have to be made
to come up to current code. E.g., we put an addition on our house about
15 years ago. It ended up in us having to install a central smoker
detector system because that was current code.

And because the addition connected with our kitchen, and because we had
some work done in the kitchen, too, the electric service there was
upgraded at the same time. We have two or three dedicated circuits,
each of which is set up with a GFI (ground fault interrupt) whic means
it trips all on its own under some circumstances, even before an actual
short might cause the breaker in the basement to trip.

And, yes, how all this works absolutely varies from place to place.
What I am describing is just how it works in our town, but in general,
it works in similar ways most places. There is code for new
construction, but they don't go around enforcing that code and requiring
everyone to upgrade to meet it. They just wait and get you when you do
construction, which in an old enough area like ours, everyone does
sooner or later. FWIW, our house was built in 1930.

As the owner of an older home, I welcome the opportunity to upgrade
things unless it's very expensive and of no benefit to us. Our basement
has open rafters, and rewiring an outlet in the kitchen, which is on the
first floor, wouldn't terribly difficult or terribly expensive. This
would either mean an upgrade to the 15-year-old GFI outlet and circuit
to 20 amps, or the installation of a new outlet and circuit.

-S-

"Steve Freides" > wrote in message
...
> pltrgyst wrote:
>> On 8/3/14, 11:29 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>> On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 09:21:54 -0400, pltrgyst wrote:
>>>
>>>> Unless you have a really extreme situation, any device labelled as
>>>> consuming 1800 watts should be fine on a normal 15 amp circuit.
>>>
>>> Until the refrigerator on the same circuit cycles on...
>>
>> In many (perhaps most?) zoning ordinances, refrigerators are required
>> to be on dedicated circuits.
>>
>> -- Larry
>
> There are two different things at issue when it comes to zoning. The
> important point, which no one has yet mentioned that I've noticed, is that
> there are many, many things that are perfectly fine and legal in your
> house that become illegal once you start doing significant construction on
> your home, at which point those things have to be made to come up to
> current code. E.g., we put an addition on our house about 15 years ago.
> It ended up in us having to install a central smoker detector system
> because that was current code.
>
> And because the addition connected with our kitchen, and because we had
> some work done in the kitchen, too, the electric service there was
> upgraded at the same time. We have two or three dedicated circuits, each
> of which is set up with a GFI (ground fault interrupt) whic means it trips
> all on its own under some circumstances, even before an actual short might
> cause the breaker in the basement to trip.
>
> And, yes, how all this works absolutely varies from place to place. What I
> am describing is just how it works in our town, but in general, it works
> in similar ways most places. There is code for new construction, but they
> don't go around enforcing that code and requiring everyone to upgrade to
> meet it. They just wait and get you when you do construction, which in an
> old enough area like ours, everyone does sooner or later. FWIW, our house
> was built in 1930.
>
> As the owner of an older home, I welcome the opportunity to upgrade things
> unless it's very expensive and of no benefit to us. Our basement has open
> rafters, and rewiring an outlet in the kitchen, which is on the first
> floor, wouldn't terribly difficult or terribly expensive. This would
> either mean an upgrade to the 15-year-old GFI outlet and circuit to 20
> amps, or the installation of a new outlet and circuit.
>

that has nothing to do with **zoning**

Pico Rico wrote:

> that has nothing to do with **zoning**

Yes, but you know what I meant - building codes - I just used the word
the other person used. Sue me if you like.

-S-

On Tue, 5 Aug 2014 15:47:57 -0700, "Pico Rico" >
wrote:

> that has nothing to do with **zoning**

Very true. It's code.

--

Never trust a dog to watch your food.