On Mon, 4 Aug 2014 07:56:34 -0700 (PDT), Michael Nielsen
> wrote:

>Hi, I promised my italian father in law to make osso buco bianco with risotto milanese while Im on vacation here in Italy. I made it for him when he visited in Denmark. I am used to electronic stoves with thick bottomed pots.
>
>My in laws have gas stove and a lot of thin pots and warped pans. Last I made it here, the stove seems way too hot. It has two settings (and the in between): very hot and hotter! There's different sizes of burners.
>
>After browning the meat on high, and sauteeing the veggies, I put the smallest burner on lowest settings to let it simmer. But it is still too hot, the liquids reduce too fast and the fats separate.
>
>Are there some tricks to simmer on gas burners? Or is it enough just to add more liquid than normal? Or add liquid frequently?

No, just buy a heat diffuser eg:
http://www.yumsugar.com/What-Heat-Diffuser-23947284
Then, buy a pot with a heavy base... problem solved.

On Tue, 5 Aug 2014 14:33:10 -0700 (PDT), Michael Nielsen
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, August 5, 2014 1:45:11 AM UTC+2, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>>
>> For a stew (anything liquidy) can slide the pot part way off the
>>
>> flame.
>
>My MIL would never agree to that. if the flame goes outside the base of the pot, she said the pot will break.

No accounting for MILs...

On Mon, 4 Aug 2014 12:58:32 -0700, "Pico Rico" >
wrote:

>
>"Michael Nielsen" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>>
>>> why are you not braising the osso bucco in the oven?
>>
>> Well, if you give me a recipe thats better than the pot stewed one I use,
>> I might start doing so. However, it wont help me with my in laws gear, as
>> there's no oven.
>
>Did I misunderstand, or are you in Italy? Italy, the nation with the best
>food and the best cooks, including home cooks, in the world, and you have no
>equipment to speak of?

America - the country with the most billionaires in the world.
Logically, I guess that means all the poor/homeless ppl there is just
a fallacy.

On Mon, 4 Aug 2014 15:04:50 -0700 (PDT), Michael Nielsen
> wrote:

> And they are taught to never have children , just focus on careers.

Pity the ROTW doesnt do the same thing... albeit with less focus on
careers, perhaps.

On Mon, 4 Aug 2014 15:32:42 -0700, "Pico Rico" >
wrote:

>
>"Michael Nielsen" > wrote in message
...
>> On Monday, August 4, 2014 10:09:31 PM UTC+2, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On a related note, I recently met a woman who lived and worked in
>>>
>>> Thailand for about 5 years. She said that most apartments don't have
>>>
>>> much of a kitchen and that most young women there do not cook anymore.
>>>
>>> They eat street food because it is so good and so cheap.
>>
>> Sounds like the part of Italy Im in. Young people dont learn to cook.
>> Young people dont even have dinner tables. Just a couch and at a party,
>> sit around the couch. order pizza. And they are taught to never have
>> children , just focus on careers.
>
>are they really "taught" by their parents not to have kids, or is that just
>the popular trend, as it is with much of those here in the US that SHOULD be
>the ones having kids.

Should???

On 2014-08-06 5:59 PM, Jeßus wrote:

>> are they really "taught" by their parents not to have kids, or is that just
>> the popular trend, as it is with much of those here in the US that SHOULD be
>> the ones having kids.
>
> Should???

It works for me. I am not a religious person. I tend more to the Darwin
view. When I look around the world and see people with little education
and few prospects having large families, and realizing that kids born
and raised into poverty are likely to remain impoverished, I have fear
for our future. OTOH, we have intelligent, ambitious, educated people
remaining childless or having only one or two kids. We are headed for a
world where fewer and fewer people are going to have a greater and
greater percentage of the wealth, while the population of poor,
uneducated people grows exponentially. The crap is going to hit the fan
at some point.

On Wed, 6 Aug 2014 10:43:23 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>
>"sf" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Tue, 5 Aug 2014 21:46:38 -0700, "Cheri" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Doris Night" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> > On Wed, 6 Aug 2014 01:20:32 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I've had a stove with a glasstop hob for 12 years with no problem,
>>> >>fast heating, very responsive, tough, clean.
>>> >
>>> > My glasstop stove has a burner labelled "power element". It will boil
>>> > a liter of water in about 90 seconds. Since I only steam (not boil)
>>> > vegetables, I can get a lot of stuff cooked in relatively little time.
>>> >
>>> > Compare this to my MIL's gas stove. Put a pot of potatoes on to boil,
>>> > (no steaming in that house, no, things cook faster when they are
>>> > boiled) you'll be waiting for half an hour for the water to even get
>>> > hot.
>>> >
>>> > Every Christmas, Easter, and Thanksgiving I get ****ed off about this.
>>> >
>>> > Doris
>>>
>>> I don't find that to be true with the power burner at all, water boils
>>> quickly.
>>>
>> That's what she's saying. Her power burner is smokin' and her MIL's
>> gas stove takes forever to do anything.
>
>She said her glasstop stove cooks quickly, but her MIL's gas stove takes a
>half hour to boil water, I said my gas stove boils water quickly on the
>power burner.

My MIL's gas stove does not have a "power burner". And it takes
forever to get a pot of water to boil on that stove. My electric glass
top stove *does* have a power burner, and it heats water very quickly.

Apparently, your gas stove is better than my MIL's stove if it has a
power burner that works well.

Doris

On Wed, 6 Aug 2014 11:50:43 -0700, "Pico Rico" >
wrote:



>> Mine heats up immediately, unfortunately, it does not cool down that fast.
>> If I need a burner to cool down quickly, to stop the kitchen from getting
>> hot, I will sit a pot of cold water on the burner and the heat stops
>> immediately.
>>
>> Becca
>
>now there's a physicist for you!
>

Except that it is likely false.

Yes, the burner cools faster, but the heat goes into the pot of water
and then it goes from the pot of water into the room. Just at a much
slower pace. An exception is if you use the water to absorb the heat
and pour it down the drain before it travels to the room. If the
water is colder than room ambient temperature, it would absorb heat
from the room even if not on the burner.

You can move heat from one location to another various ways, but you
cannot destroy heat. Nor can you make cold.

On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 18:15:35 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2014-08-06 5:59 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>
>>> are they really "taught" by their parents not to have kids, or is that just
>>> the popular trend, as it is with much of those here in the US that SHOULD be
>>> the ones having kids.
>>
>> Should???
>
>It works for me. I am not a religious person. I tend more to the Darwin
>view. When I look around the world and see people with little education
>and few prospects having large families, and realizing that kids born
>and raised into poverty are likely to remain impoverished, I have fear
>for our future. OTOH, we have intelligent, ambitious, educated people
>remaining childless or having only one or two kids. We are headed for a
>world where fewer and fewer people are going to have a greater and
>greater percentage of the wealth, while the population of poor,
>uneducated people grows exponentially. The crap is going to hit the fan
>at some point.

It /is/ going to hit the fan, although your reasoning as to the
greater divide of rich and poor is questionable.

It takes a lot more than just education to produce intelligent and
productive people. There's no shortage of highly educated people
without an ounce of common sense to their name, or have the ability to
think outside the box, so to speak.

I see your point, but ultimately I realise that the number one problem
facing our planet (and ourselves) is overpopulation. Almost every
serious problem the world faces stems from it. The last thing we need
to do is encourage people to have more kids.

Imagine for one moment - suddenly the world has a 100% clean and
unlimited energy source. Unlimited clean and healthy food. No more
war/conflicts. All freely available to everyone in the world. Problems
solved? Not at all... all it would do is buy us some time as the
population continues to increase. At some point, we're going to be
forced, one way or the other, to radically reduce our world
population. Whether we do it ourselves through good planning, war,
man-made viruses, or nature does it for us, it will happen.

Personally, I'd like to deal with it as soon as possible.
But the world isn't at all ready for that, most everybody seems to
think they're entitled to be irrational and irresponsible and churn
out more people.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 6 Aug 2014 11:50:43 -0700, "Pico Rico" >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>>> Mine heats up immediately, unfortunately, it does not cool down that
>>> fast.
>>> If I need a burner to cool down quickly, to stop the kitchen from
>>> getting
>>> hot, I will sit a pot of cold water on the burner and the heat stops
>>> immediately.
>>>
>>> Becca
>>
>>now there's a physicist for you!
>>
>
> Except that it is likely false.
>
> Yes, the burner cools faster, but the heat goes into the pot of water
> and then it goes from the pot of water into the room. Just at a much
> slower pace. An exception is if you use the water to absorb the heat
> and pour it down the drain before it travels to the room. If the
> water is colder than room ambient temperature, it would absorb heat
> from the room even if not on the burner.
>
> You can move heat from one location to another various ways, but you
> cannot destroy heat. Nor can you make cold.

I was being sarcastic. Like the lady I know who always leaves the oven door
open when she is through, so it will heat the house (or not heat the house -
I forget).

"Doris Night" > wrote in message
...

> Apparently, your gas stove is better than my MIL's stove if it has a
> power burner that works well.
>
> Doris

It's actually called a "power boil" burner on my stove, it works very well.

Cheri

On Thu, 07 Aug 2014 07:59:59 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:

> On Mon, 4 Aug 2014 15:32:42 -0700, "Pico Rico" >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >are they really "taught" by their parents not to have kids, or is that just
> >the popular trend, as it is with much of those here in the US that SHOULD be
> >the ones having kids.
>
> Should???

He's saying highly educated (higher income) people have fewer children
and less educated (lower income) people have more.... but he thinks it
*should* be the opposite. Was it really that hard to understand?

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On Thu, 07 Aug 2014 09:10:28 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:

> I realise that the number one problem
> facing our planet (and ourselves) is overpopulation. Almost every
> serious problem the world faces stems from it.

You can thank a *lack* of education (the knowledge of basic science
and the ability to prevent childbirth) and OBTW, the Catholic Church
has a lot to do with it too. Italians are fighting back by not
marrying.

Ebola is taking lives in some parts where the lack of knowledge about
pregnancy prevention contributes to the population expansion, but
that's the way it is when a society is that uneducated. They
reproduce in large numbers and die from preventable diseases in large
numbers too.

Soon, the USA will be that way too. We are rapidly sinking into Third
World status. In fact, we're sinking below third word thanks to all
the people (who elect politicians) who think the earth is only 6000
years old, the climate change deniers and those who think we should
keep fracking or using GMO's so we can continue with stronger and
stronger pesticides and week killers (because Mother Nature responds
to them so quickly).


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On Thu, 07 Aug 2014 07:57:26 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:

> America - the country with the most billionaires in the world.
> Logically, I guess that means all the poor/homeless ppl there is just
> a fallacy.

It's not. The poor are increasing while the middle class is
decreasing. Do you really have *THAT* hard a time understanding the
concept? Stay on your little island, it's a good place for you to be.

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On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 18:52:18 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On Wed, 6 Aug 2014 11:50:43 -0700, "Pico Rico" >
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >> Mine heats up immediately, unfortunately, it does not cool down that fast.
> >> If I need a burner to cool down quickly, to stop the kitchen from getting
> >> hot, I will sit a pot of cold water on the burner and the heat stops
> >> immediately.
> >>
> >> Becca
> >
> >now there's a physicist for you!
> >
>
> Except that it is likely false.
>
> Yes, the burner cools faster, but the heat goes into the pot of water
> and then it goes from the pot of water into the room. Just at a much
> slower pace.

Which means it won't be as noticeable.


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"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 4 Aug 2014 07:58:32 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Michael Nielsen" > wrote in message
...
>>> Hi, I promised my italian father in law to make osso buco bianco with
>>> risotto milanese while Im on vacation here in Italy. I made it for him
>>> when he visited in Denmark. I am used to electronic stoves with thick
>>> bottomed pots.
>>>
>>> My in laws have gas stove and a lot of thin pots and warped pans. Last I
>>> made it here, the stove seems way too hot. It has two settings (and the
>>> in
>>> between): very hot and hotter! There's different sizes of burners.
>>>
>>> After browning the meat on high, and sauteeing the veggies, I put the
>>> smallest burner on lowest settings to let it simmer. But it is still too
>>> hot, the liquids reduce too fast and the fats separate.
>>>
>>> Are there some tricks to simmer on gas burners? Or is it enough just to
>>> add more liquid than normal? Or add liquid frequently?
>>
>>Your stove is clearly different than any gas stove I've ever had. Mine
>>had
>>a flame that could be turned up or waaaay down. And perhaps you should
>>buy
>>them a better pot or pan.
>
> Gawd... nothing has changed

My gas flames can be turned right down too, and I can use a diffuser if I
need to. I heavy pot will help too.



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"Doris Night" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 6 Aug 2014 10:43:23 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"sf" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Tue, 5 Aug 2014 21:46:38 -0700, "Cheri" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Doris Night" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>> > On Wed, 6 Aug 2014 01:20:32 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> I've had a stove with a glasstop hob for 12 years with no problem,
>>>> >>fast heating, very responsive, tough, clean.
>>>> >
>>>> > My glasstop stove has a burner labelled "power element". It will boil
>>>> > a liter of water in about 90 seconds. Since I only steam (not boil)
>>>> > vegetables, I can get a lot of stuff cooked in relatively little
>>>> > time.
>>>> >
>>>> > Compare this to my MIL's gas stove. Put a pot of potatoes on to boil,
>>>> > (no steaming in that house, no, things cook faster when they are
>>>> > boiled) you'll be waiting for half an hour for the water to even get
>>>> > hot.
>>>> >
>>>> > Every Christmas, Easter, and Thanksgiving I get ****ed off about
>>>> > this.
>>>> >
>>>> > Doris
>>>>
>>>> I don't find that to be true with the power burner at all, water boils
>>>> quickly.
>>>>
>>> That's what she's saying. Her power burner is smokin' and her MIL's
>>> gas stove takes forever to do anything.
>>
>>She said her glasstop stove cooks quickly, but her MIL's gas stove takes a
>>half hour to boil water, I said my gas stove boils water quickly on the
>>power burner.
>
> My MIL's gas stove does not have a "power burner". And it takes
> forever to get a pot of water to boil on that stove. My electric glass
> top stove *does* have a power burner, and it heats water very quickly.
>
> Apparently, your gas stove is better than my MIL's stove if it has a
> power burner that works well.

My gas hob has 5 burners, one of which is a double burner. That works very
fast.


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On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 21:52:59 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Thu, 07 Aug 2014 07:57:26 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>> America - the country with the most billionaires in the world.
>> Logically, I guess that means all the poor/homeless ppl there is just
>> a fallacy.
>
>It's not. The poor are increasing while the middle class is
>decreasing. Do you really have *THAT* hard a time understanding the
>concept?

Maybe you should state that to me first, and then wait for my
response. If I demonstrate a lack of understanding... *then* your
assertion that I'm having a hard time understanding the concept might
make some sense. But in all likelihood I probably would have queried
your usage of the word 'concept' in the context you used it, as it
also makes no sense.

Again, America has the most billionaires in the world.
Do you really have *THAT* hard a time understanding the
concept?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...billi onaires

>Stay on your little island, it's a good place for you to be.

Of course it is, that's why I moved here.
But I'm off overseas next year for a holiday, only for a week or two.

On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 09:49:23 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>
>
>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Mon, 4 Aug 2014 07:58:32 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Michael Nielsen" > wrote in message
...
>>>> Hi, I promised my italian father in law to make osso buco bianco with
>>>> risotto milanese while Im on vacation here in Italy. I made it for him
>>>> when he visited in Denmark. I am used to electronic stoves with thick
>>>> bottomed pots.
>>>>
>>>> My in laws have gas stove and a lot of thin pots and warped pans. Last I
>>>> made it here, the stove seems way too hot. It has two settings (and the
>>>> in
>>>> between): very hot and hotter! There's different sizes of burners.
>>>>
>>>> After browning the meat on high, and sauteeing the veggies, I put the
>>>> smallest burner on lowest settings to let it simmer. But it is still too
>>>> hot, the liquids reduce too fast and the fats separate.
>>>>
>>>> Are there some tricks to simmer on gas burners? Or is it enough just to
>>>> add more liquid than normal? Or add liquid frequently?
>>>
>>>Your stove is clearly different than any gas stove I've ever had. Mine
>>>had
>>>a flame that could be turned up or waaaay down. And perhaps you should
>>>buy
>>>them a better pot or pan.
>>
>> Gawd... nothing has changed
>
>My gas flames can be turned right down too, and I can use a diffuser if I
>need to. I heavy pot will help too.

Yep, that's what I do on my gas stove.

On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 09:55:43 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

> My gas hob has 5 burners, one of which is a double burner. That works very
> fast.

Double burner?

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On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 09:49:23 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

> My gas flames can be turned right down too, and I can use a diffuser if I
> need to. I heavy pot will help too.

The new ones even have high and low simmer, no need for a diffuser
anymore.

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In article >,
says...
>
> On Thu, 07 Aug 2014 07:57:26 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
> > America - the country with the most billionaires in the world.
> > Logically, I guess that means all the poor/homeless ppl there is just
> > a fallacy.
>
> It's not.

DUH, that's his point.

> The poor are increasing while the middle class is
> decreasing. Do you really have *THAT* hard a time understanding the
> concept? Stay on your little island, it's a good place for you to be.

Do you really have THAT hard a time with basic reading comprehension?
Even when a smiley CLUE was provided ?

Janet UK

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 09:55:43 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>> My gas hob has 5 burners, one of which is a double burner. That works
>> very
>> fast.
>
> Double burner?

Yes, it has one ring inside another. Meant to be used with a wok.

Here is a pic of a stand alone one:

http://tinyurl.com/l8nqns9

Mine is incorporated in the hob similar to this:

http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/70278056/


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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 09:49:23 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>> My gas flames can be turned right down too, and I can use a diffuser if I
>> need to. I heavy pot will help too.
>
> The new ones even have high and low simmer, no need for a diffuser
> anymore.

Yes Come to think of it, I haven't used my diffuser in a long time)

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On 8/7/2014 12:56 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> "sf" > wrote
>> > wrote:
>>> My gas hob has 5 burners, one of which is a double burner. That
>>> works very fast.
>> Double burner?
> Yes, it has one ring inside another. Meant to be used with a wok.
> Here is a pic of a stand alone one:
> http://tinyurl.com/l8nqns9
> Mine is incorporated in the hob similar to this:
> http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/70278056/
>
If it's like mine, it has two rings, but three circles of flame.

On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 17:05:06 +0100, Janet > wrote:

> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > On Thu, 07 Aug 2014 07:57:26 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
> >
> > > America - the country with the most billionaires in the world.
> > > Logically, I guess that means all the poor/homeless ppl there is just
> > > a fallacy.
> >
> > It's not.
>
> DUH, that's his point.
>
> > The poor are increasing while the middle class is
> > decreasing. Do you really have *THAT* hard a time understanding the
> > concept? Stay on your little island, it's a good place for you to be.
>
> Do you really have THAT hard a time with basic reading comprehension?
> Even when a smiley CLUE was provided ?
>
>
His smileys mean nothing.


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On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 17:56:18 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 09:55:43 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> My gas hob has 5 burners, one of which is a double burner. That works
> >> very
> >> fast.
> >
> > Double burner?
>
> Yes, it has one ring inside another. Meant to be used with a wok.
>
> Here is a pic of a stand alone one:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/l8nqns9
>
> Mine is incorporated in the hob similar to this:
>
> http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/70278056/

Thanks, I understand "wok burner" - never heard them called a double
burner before this.

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On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 17:57:13 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 09:49:23 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> My gas flames can be turned right down too, and I can use a diffuser if I
> >> need to. I heavy pot will help too.
> >
> > The new ones even have high and low simmer, no need for a diffuser
> > anymore.
>
> Yes Come to think of it, I haven't used my diffuser in a long time)

Unfortunately, I bought mine 5-ish years ago and don't have that
option - so I have to use a simmer plate, because even my simmer
burners can be too hot (which is why I like that crockpot so much).

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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 17:57:13 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 09:49:23 +0100, "Ophelia"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> My gas flames can be turned right down too, and I can use a diffuser
>> >> if I
>> >> need to. I heavy pot will help too.
>> >
>> > The new ones even have high and low simmer, no need for a diffuser
>> > anymore.
>>
>> Yes Come to think of it, I haven't used my diffuser in a long time)
>
> Unfortunately, I bought mine 5-ish years ago and don't have that
> option - so I have to use a simmer plate, because even my simmer
> burners can be too hot (which is why I like that crockpot so much).

Hmm not used mine for a wee while. I see some crockpot cooking in my near
future)


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"S Viemeister" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/7/2014 12:56 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>> "sf" > wrote
>>> > wrote:
>>>> My gas hob has 5 burners, one of which is a double burner. That
>>>> works very fast.
>>> Double burner?
>> Yes, it has one ring inside another. Meant to be used with a wok.
>> Here is a pic of a stand alone one:
>> http://tinyurl.com/l8nqns9
>> Mine is incorporated in the hob similar to this:
>> http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/70278056/
>>
> If it's like mine, it has two rings, but three circles of flame.

They sure heat up a pot fast)

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On 8/7/2014 2:29 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> "S Viemeister" > wrote
>> On 8/7/2014 12:56 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>> "sf" > wrote
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> My gas hob has 5 burners, one of which is a double burner. That
>>>>> works very fast.
>>>> Double burner?
>>> Yes, it has one ring inside another. Meant to be used with a wok.
>>> Here is a pic of a stand alone one:
>>> http://tinyurl.com/l8nqns9
>>> Mine is incorporated in the hob similar to this:
>>> http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/70278056/
>>>
>> If it's like mine, it has two rings, but three circles of flame.
>
> They sure heat up a pot fast)
>
Indeed they do!

On 8/7/2014 11:48 AM, sf wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 09:55:43 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>> My gas hob has 5 burners, one of which is a double burner. That works very
>> fast.
>
> Double burner?
>

Could be like one of mine. A center round burner with a control
surrounded by a cloverleaf shaped burner with another control. Outer
burner could be round too, of course. You can use one or both and get a
lot of power or a gentle simmer.

On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 17:05:06 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
>says...
>>
>> On Thu, 07 Aug 2014 07:57:26 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>
>> > America - the country with the most billionaires in the world.
>> > Logically, I guess that means all the poor/homeless ppl there is just
>> > a fallacy.
>>
>> It's not.
>
> DUH, that's his point.
>
>> The poor are increasing while the middle class is
>> decreasing. Do you really have *THAT* hard a time understanding the
>> concept? Stay on your little island, it's a good place for you to be.
>
> Do you really have THAT hard a time with basic reading comprehension?
>Even when a smiley CLUE was provided ?

Thanks, I thought it was clear enough. I think she was more interested
in an opportunity to have a dig, which clouded her judgement as to
what was actually being said. That's a fairly regular event.

On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 21:38:19 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Thu, 07 Aug 2014 07:59:59 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 4 Aug 2014 15:32:42 -0700, "Pico Rico" >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >are they really "taught" by their parents not to have kids, or is that just
>> >the popular trend, as it is with much of those here in the US that SHOULD be
>> >the ones having kids.
>>
>> Should???
>
>He's saying highly educated (higher income) people have fewer children
>and less educated (lower income) people have more.... but he thinks it
>*should* be the opposite. Was it really that hard to understand?

Nope. I understood what he was saying perfectly. Have you not
encountered a rhetorical question before? Honestly, your personality
gets in the way of your critical thinking processes. Seen it so many
times.

> I think she was more interested
>
> in an opportunity to have a dig

A lot of people in this group are waiting for opportunities to attack people. It has been like that the approx. 15 years I've been here, hehe. I've been attacked from all sides for writing "want to impress with a nice dinner", and "here's a recipe with broccoli that even people that doesnt like broccoli like". (Paraphrasing)

> I like thick bottom disk pots for gas.

Are there any situation where thick bottoms are not best? Even if it is a responsive flame, you are still drawing a lot of energy out of the pot when you add food. It is good to have a lot of potential energy. On top of that, the thin ones warp so easily. and cooking on warped pans are so annoying.

https://scontent-b-mad.xx.fbcdn.net/...66200229_o.jpg

[civapcici on a warped pan... all the oil is on the perimeter.]

On 8/6/2014 5:52 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Aug 2014 11:50:43 -0700, "Pico Rico" >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>>> Mine heats up immediately, unfortunately, it does not cool down that fast.
>>> If I need a burner to cool down quickly, to stop the kitchen from getting
>>> hot, I will sit a pot of cold water on the burner and the heat stops
>>> immediately.
>>>
>>> Becca
>>
>> now there's a physicist for you!
>>
>
> Except that it is likely false.
>
> Yes, the burner cools faster, but the heat goes into the pot of water
> and then it goes from the pot of water into the room. Just at a much
> slower pace. An exception is if you use the water to absorb the heat
> and pour it down the drain before it travels to the room. If the
> water is colder than room ambient temperature, it would absorb heat
> from the room even if not on the burner.
>
> You can move heat from one location to another various ways, but you
> cannot destroy heat. Nor can you make cold.

Ed, I invite you to come over, anytime, and I will be happy to cook
dinner for you. I will show you, that a pot full of cold water will take
care of a hot burner, immediately. The water gets a little warm, but it
does not get hot. I invite others who have ceramic glass cooktops to try
it.

Becca

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 21:38:19 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 07 Aug 2014 07:59:59 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 4 Aug 2014 15:32:42 -0700, "Pico Rico" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >are they really "taught" by their parents not to have kids, or is that
>>> >just
>>> >the popular trend, as it is with much of those here in the US that
>>> >SHOULD be
>>> >the ones having kids.
>>>
>>> Should???
>>
>>He's saying highly educated (higher income) people have fewer children
>>and less educated (lower income) people have more.... but he thinks it
>>*should* be the opposite. Was it really that hard to understand?
>
> Nope. I understood what he was saying perfectly. Have you not
> encountered a rhetorical question before? Honestly, your personality
> gets in the way of your critical thinking processes. Seen it so many
> times.

yeah, nice save.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 07 Aug 2014 09:10:28 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>> I realise that the number one problem
>> facing our planet (and ourselves) is overpopulation. Almost every
>> serious problem the world faces stems from it.
>
> You can thank a *lack* of education (the knowledge of basic science
> and the ability to prevent childbirth) and OBTW, the Catholic Church
> has a lot to do with it too. Italians are fighting back by not
> marrying.
>
I know that I married a Catholic but the more I learn about the Catholic
church, the more I seriously dislike them. I've read several books now
about the situation of unmarried pregnant girls/women back in the 1970's and
prior. It was not a good situation at all. Many of them were raped by
Catholics priests and that's how they got pregnant to begin with! And none
were allowed to keep their babies. Some did manage to escape to England
where they may or may not have fared better.

Also at that point in time, the Catholic church pretty much controlled all
that went on in Ireland in those days. Homeless children or those whose
parents could not take care of them were raised by the church and the people
who ran those orphanages has some seriously bad issues. Sickening stuff.

> Ebola is taking lives in some parts where the lack of knowledge about
> pregnancy prevention contributes to the population expansion, but
> that's the way it is when a society is that uneducated. They
> reproduce in large numbers and die from preventable diseases in large
> numbers too.

Yep. My high school science teacher always urged us not to make a bad
situation worse by offering aid to situations like that. He said that while
it sounds harsh, if they are starving, it is not likely they can reproduce.
But if they are well fed, they may well reproduce. And with no means to
better their situation, the "help" is only making more and more people and
compounding the problem.
>
> Soon, the USA will be that way too. We are rapidly sinking into Third
> World status. In fact, we're sinking below third word thanks to all
> the people (who elect politicians) who think the earth is only 6000
> years old, the climate change deniers and those who think we should
> keep fracking or using GMO's so we can continue with stronger and
> stronger pesticides and week killers (because Mother Nature responds
> to them so quickly).

Well, it isn't good at any rate.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 07 Aug 2014 07:57:26 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>> America - the country with the most billionaires in the world.
>> Logically, I guess that means all the poor/homeless ppl there is just
>> a fallacy.
>
> It's not. The poor are increasing while the middle class is
> decreasing. Do you really have *THAT* hard a time understanding the
> concept? Stay on your little island, it's a good place for you to be.

It is very noticeable here. I just got finished reading a book that was the
true story of one boy/man who was for the most part homeless in Seattle and
then San Francisco after he was asked to leave Seattle. The time frame
there was the 1980's and one of his friends was done in by the Green River
Killer.

I do know that we had homeless people back then. I do know that they have
always been around. But at that point in time, the only place we saw them
here, or saw them as being obvious was in Seattle. They seemed non-existent
out here in the suburbs.

But now they are everywhere. I see them everywhere I go. People out
begging for money.

People I know have been laid off or the business they worked for closed.
They may be employed but they are very much underemployed.

I also see the dance studio taking a big hit. There were fewer kids overall
in the recital this last year and it is particularly noticeable as those
kids get older. We never did compete and really there was only perhaps one
or two years that we could have afforded to do so. As the kids get older
they are expected to travel to more and more competitions. To NY, Las
Vegas, perhaps even Canada. That in and of itself is not cheap. But at to
that 14+ hours of dance each week, all the shoes, costumes, makeup,
headshots and recital pics plus the require conventions and master classes
and it's just not cheap.

We are lucky that Angela can stay in dance. She will only be doing ballet
and tap, by choice and she has very expensive tap shoes that hopefully will
last her for many more years to come. Her feet are done growing. But I
well remember the expense of replacing all the shoes each year. Ballet,
tap, jazz and foot thongs that only last a few months. Also tights that
last perhaps 3 months if you're lucky.