On 2014-08-07, ImStillMags > wrote:

> I haven't bought any Charles Shaw at TJ's for years.....

Then how do you know if it's still any good. Fact: 2$CHK won double
gold at 2007 CA State Fair. It has also won several other wine
awards, most recently in Orange County, CA:

http://www.winebusiness.com/news/?go...&dataid=118518

I've been drinking 2$CHK since it came out ....well not in last 6 yrs,
as CO has no TJ's. The quality of 2$CHK, when it first came out, was
quite good. This from a person that has drank enough wine to know a
good wine when I taste it and is not above pouring an entire bottle of
$40 chard down the drain cuz it's crap.

Charles Shaw wine was introduced when there was a near industry
destroying grape glut in CA. It saved a lotta grapes from being
plowed under. 2$CHK has been up and down in quality ever since, jes like
all wines that are subject to seasonal weather fluctuations. As for
Franzia, it's been around for decades and probably DOES own more grape
vineyards than Gallo cuz Gallo has historically bought it's grapes
from independent growers. In fact, I have "box" of Franzia Chillable
Red in the fridge, right now. I also have a $20 bottle of CA old vine
Zinfandel. So what!

The entire article is mostly nonsense and misleading information.

nb

On 2014-08-07 4:04 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2014-08-07, ImStillMags > wrote:
>
>> I haven't bought any Charles Shaw at TJ's for years.....
>
> Then how do you know if it's still any good. Fact: 2$CHK won double
> gold at 2007 CA State Fair. It has also won several other wine
> awards, most recently in Orange County, CA:


I can't comment on that particular event, but I will say that there are
so many competitions and so many categories in the wine business that it
is amazing what sort of cheap crap can wine gold. There was one local
wine that used to wine all sorts of awards many years ago and it always
made me wonder about the validity of those events.

On Thursday, August 7, 2014 1:04:21 PM UTC-7, notbob wrote:

> The entire article is mostly nonsense and misleading information.
>
>

I also posted an article from the New Yorker that is more complimentary and discusses some of the good qualities as well.

Here's a list of the Bronco Brands.

The Bronco Wine Company maintains over 60 brands of wine, including:[9][10]
Albertoni Vineyards
Alexander and Fitch
Almond Creek
Bad Dog Ranch
Bears' Lair
Black Mountain
CC Vineyards
Cedar Brook
Charles Shaw, AKA Two Buck Chuck
Chateau California
Coastal Ridge
Coastal Vines
Congress Springs
Crane Lake
Domaine Laurier
Domaine Napa
Dona Sol
Douglass Hill
Down Under
Estrella
Fat Cat
Forest Glen
Forest Hill
ForestVille
Foxbrook
FoxHollow
Grand Cru
Green Fin
Green Truck
Grove Ridge
Hacienda
Harlow Ridge
JW Morris
JFJ Winery
Laurier
Mongo Wine
Montpellier
Napa Creek
Napa Crossing
Napa Landing
Napa Ridge
Napa River
Oak Vineyards
Pacific Oasis
Pink Truck
Quail Creek
Quail Ridge
Raymond Hill
Red Truck
Redwood
Rock Brook
Rutherford Vintners
Salmon Creek
Santa Barbara Crossing
Santa Barbara Landing
Sea Ridge
Silver Ridge
The California Winery
Thousand Oaks
Three Knights Vineyards
Trellis
White Truck

On Thursday, August 7, 2014 2:39:53 PM UTC-7, notbob wrote:

>
> 7 Deadly Zins, which hasn't been all that great the last couple yrs.
> Also, damn pricey here in the CO boonies. 8|
>
> I've bought Ravenswood Zin for as little as $18 in CA. Obviously, not
> the really good stuff.

Oh, but the 7 Deadly Zins comes from LODI, in the des-pie-zed CENTRAL VALLEY.

Can anything good come from Naza -- I mean Lodi?

On 2014-08-08, Janet Wilder > wrote:

> My daughter turned me on to 7 Deadly Zins. Very drinkable. About $9 a
> bottle here.

Ackkk!....

Don't tell me that kinda stuff. I've seen it as high as $24 bottle,
here. 8|

nb

On 2014-08-08 9:38 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2014-08-08, Janet Wilder > wrote:
>
>> My daughter turned me on to 7 Deadly Zins. Very drinkable. About $9 a
>> bottle here.
>
> Ackkk!....
>
> Don't tell me that kinda stuff. I've seen it as high as $24 bottle,
> here. 8|
>

Curious about booze prices in Colorado. When I was there in 2002 and our
loonie was only worth about 68 cents US, 26 oz bottles that sell for $21
Cdn here were $26 US. Beer was about 50% more than here. I was unsure
of the wines because they were mostly brands we don't get here so
nothing to compare them to. Selection sure sucked.

On 8 Aug 2014 13:38:47 GMT, notbob > wrote:

> On 2014-08-08, Janet Wilder > wrote:
>
> > My daughter turned me on to 7 Deadly Zins. Very drinkable. About $9 a
> > bottle here.
>
> Ackkk!....
>
> Don't tell me that kinda stuff. I've seen it as high as $24 bottle,
> here. 8|
>

Really? It's your basic $10 wine.


--

Never trust a dog to watch your food.

On Fri, 08 Aug 2014 10:09:12 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> Curious about booze prices in Colorado. When I was there in 2002 and our
> loonie was only worth about 68 cents US, 26 oz bottles that sell for $21
> Cdn here were $26 US. Beer was about 50% more than here. I was unsure
> of the wines because they were mostly brands we don't get here so
> nothing to compare them to. Selection sure sucked.

I'm guessing the price is so much higher there because of additional
taxes, That's how Calif treats cigarette sales. . You smoke, you pay
a fortune for them.

--

Never trust a dog to watch your food.

On 8/10/2014 2:04 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>


>>>
>> Gotta check with the state... some places they are allowed to ship
>> wine and other alcohol. Other places still have to adhere to
>> antiquated blue laws.
>
> Yes. I was looking into sending a beer of the month thing to someone
> but they couldn't ship to their state.

http://www.thewire.com/technology/20...-amazon/58832/

http://www.winesandvines.com/templat...7&section=news
The information applies to wineries with full licenses, in California
Type 02. It generally doesn’t apply to retailers or “virtual wineries”
that hold only Type 17 and 20 licenses. They don’t hold Federal Basic
Permits as wineries. Other states have similar “custom crush” or
“negoçiant” licensees that are also considered retailers. Retailers can
ship to fewer states than wineries. With restrictions, their legal
states currently include AK, CA*, DC, ID*, LA, MO*, ND, NE, NH, NM*, NV,
OR, VA, WV, WY (* states with reciprocal privilege only.)

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