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On 8/16/2014 6:16 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
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> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 8/15/2014 9:31 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 8/15/2014 2:56 PM, Janet wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> One in each bathroom.
>>>>
>>>> Paper towels in your bathroom at home? Urk.
>>>>
>>>> Janet UK
>>>>
>>>
>>> You have a problem with sanitation? Of course we have regular towels,
>>> but there are times a paper towel is better to use. Need to wipe the
>>> vanity top or toilet seat? What would you use, your hand towel?
>>>
>>> Our household also has a very low incidence of colds and other illnesses
>>> and that may be a factor.

>>
>> No one (heh) has problems with sanitation, Ed. Lots of us simply
>> don't keep rolls of paper towels in our bathrooms. When I clean the
>> toilet, I use a toilet brush, not paper towels. When I clean the
>> sink/vanity or tub, I use a clean cloth which I can wash.
>>
>> Guess what? I haven't had a cold in decades. :-D

>
> And you live alone. Right?


What does my living alone have to do with paper towels in the bathroom?
It's easy enough (for most people) to walk to the kitchen and grab a
couple of paper towels, then walk back to the bathroom. I walk from the
bathroom to the kitchen every day. It's no great hardship.

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"jmcquown" > wrote in message
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> On 8/16/2014 6:16 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 8/15/2014 9:31 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> On 8/15/2014 2:56 PM, Janet wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One in each bathroom.
>>>>>
>>>>> Paper towels in your bathroom at home? Urk.
>>>>>
>>>>> Janet UK
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You have a problem with sanitation? Of course we have regular towels,
>>>> but there are times a paper towel is better to use. Need to wipe the
>>>> vanity top or toilet seat? What would you use, your hand towel?
>>>>
>>>> Our household also has a very low incidence of colds and other
>>>> illnesses
>>>> and that may be a factor.
>>>
>>> No one (heh) has problems with sanitation, Ed. Lots of us simply
>>> don't keep rolls of paper towels in our bathrooms. When I clean the
>>> toilet, I use a toilet brush, not paper towels. When I clean the
>>> sink/vanity or tub, I use a clean cloth which I can wash.
>>>
>>> Guess what? I haven't had a cold in decades. :-D

>>
>> And you live alone. Right?

>
> What does my living alone have to do with paper towels in the bathroom?
> It's easy enough (for most people) to walk to the kitchen and grab a
> couple of paper towels, then walk back to the bathroom. I walk from the
> bathroom to the kitchen every day. It's no great hardship.


Because if there is only you, then you can't pick up anyone else's germs.
My SIL noticed that she isn't getting sick nearly as often now that she only
uses paper towels to dry her hands with. She uses several different
bathrooms that have several different people using them.

It might be easy for *you* to walk to your kitchen. You're not disabled. I
am. I also keep cleaners in the bathrooms too. And a reaching tool in
almost every room of the house.

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On 8/16/2014 7:14 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
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> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 8/16/2014 6:16 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 8/15/2014 9:31 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>> On 8/15/2014 2:56 PM, Janet wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One in each bathroom.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paper towels in your bathroom at home? Urk.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Janet UK
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You have a problem with sanitation? Of course we have regular towels,
>>>>> but there are times a paper towel is better to use. Need to wipe the
>>>>> vanity top or toilet seat? What would you use, your hand towel?
>>>>>
>>>>> Our household also has a very low incidence of colds and other
>>>>> illnesses
>>>>> and that may be a factor.
>>>>
>>>> No one (heh) has problems with sanitation, Ed. Lots of us simply
>>>> don't keep rolls of paper towels in our bathrooms. When I clean the
>>>> toilet, I use a toilet brush, not paper towels. When I clean the
>>>> sink/vanity or tub, I use a clean cloth which I can wash.
>>>>
>>>> Guess what? I haven't had a cold in decades. :-D
>>>
>>> And you live alone. Right?

>>
>> What does my living alone have to do with paper towels in the
>> bathroom? It's easy enough (for most people) to walk to the kitchen
>> and grab a couple of paper towels, then walk back to the bathroom. I
>> walk from the bathroom to the kitchen every day. It's no great hardship.

>
> Because if there is only you, then you can't pick up anyone else's
> germs.


Oh, because I live alone you think no one else is ever in my house?
Bzzzzt! I have people in and out of here all the time. Living alone
does not mean I live in a freakin' bubble. Don't talk to me about
germs. You're the germiphobe here, not me. You've got practically
every intolerance known to man.

> My SIL noticed that she isn't getting sick nearly as often now
> that she only uses paper towels to dry her hands with. She uses several
> different bathrooms that have several different people using them.
>

You could say the same thing about any public restroom with paper
towels. Even at the cheapest gas station.

> It might be easy for *you* to walk to your kitchen. You're not
> disabled. I am. I also keep cleaners in the bathrooms too. And a
> reaching tool in almost every room of the house.


I have yet to discover what this disability of yours is. It apparently
doesn't stop you from running around to stores, schlepping Angela to and
from dance class and shopping all the time. Whatever this "disability"
is, it sure doesn't seem to slow you down.

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Julie Bove wrote:
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> "jmcquown" wrote:
> > My cats' litterbox was in the master bathroom. On a bath mat (frequently
> > taken outside and vaccuumed) on a tile floor. I didn't step on it. The
> > floor was clean. I didn't need to have paper towels in the bathroom. As
> > usual, your experiences are completely different from that of normal
> > people.

>
> Then I guess my whole extended family isn't normal as we all have paper
> towels in there. I have two cats and once in a while one will get a little
> something on the side of the box. Rather than having to empty the whole
> box, I use a paper towel to clean it up. They also sometimes deposit a
> hairball on the floor.


For that, in a bathroom, just use toilet paper and flush it. No need
for paper towels.

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On 8/16/2014 7:53 AM, Janet wrote:

>> You have a problem with sanitation?

>
> Rather the opposite; I prefer my home not to resemble a downmarket
> public toilet or corner cafe. So nobody here eats off paper plates or
> dries their hands on paper towels.
>
> Janet UK


Do they wipe their ass with velvet too?

My bathroom with ceramic and glass tiles and solid cherry wood cabinets
is far from a public toilet. The vanity top is large enough that a roll
of towels on an elegant SS holder does not detract.

There are also some big fluffy towels for bath use too.

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On Fri, 15 Aug 2014 19:16:28 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
>> On 8/15/2014 2:56 PM, Janet wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> One in each bathroom.
>>>
>>> Paper towels in your bathroom at home? Urk.
>>>
>>> Janet UK
>>>

>>
>> You have a problem with sanitation? Of course we have regular towels, but
>> there are times a paper towel is better to use. Need to wipe the vanity
>> top or toilet seat? What would you use, your hand towel?
>>
>> Our household also has a very low incidence of colds and other illnesses
>> and that may be a factor.

>
>Exactly. Used to be that I had to run to the kitchen every time I needed a
>paper towel. Especially to do things like clean a spot from the mirror.
>Yes, I do sometimes have cleaning wipes in there. But we probably go
>through more paper towels in there than we do in the kitchen!


I have paper towels in every room, in all my vehicles, and in all my
out buildings, yet I have no paper towel dispensers, definitely not in
the kitchen, can't with cats... a roll of paper towels is a favorite
toy. In the kitchen the roll is in the cabinet under the sink... in
each room the roll is in a drawer, closet, or some closed space. The
most often use for paper towels here is to wipe up hairballs.
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On Fri, 15 Aug 2014 23:23:57 -0700 (PDT),
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>On Thursday, August 14, 2014 12:32:17 PM UTC-7, MaryL wrote:
>> wrote in message
>>
>> ...

>
>>
>> Amazon.com has several Rubbermaid dish drainers that have far more positive
>> than negative reviews. It's not a product that would get extremely hard
>> wear. You can see some on amazon he
>>
>>
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_no...sh% 20drainer
>>

>
>Though Rubbermaid changed the product substantially in the last several
>years, Amazon lumps reviews of the old satisfactory model with the new
>unsatisfactory model.


That's not true. When you do your seach there will always be a
conspicuous notice on the page advising of a replacement product, the
replacement product will have its own page with its own reviews,
then it's up to each person to decide if the replacement is better or
worse... and you can still buy the older model up until it's sold out,
there is typically a notice indicating how many are remaining when
there are only a few left in stock. Hardly a week passes I don't buy
something from Amazon, this past week I bought 4 solar mole spikes, a
heavy duty tarp, and two Rubbermaid sink mats... two separate cartons,
both arrived within the week. Two weeks prior I bought a bicycle rack
for my vehicle, there was notice of the new model and that's the one I
bought... the reviews for the old and new were each different and from
different people.
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On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 04:57:38 -0500, "MaryL"
> wrote:

>
>
>wrote in message
...
>
>On Thursday, August 14, 2014 12:32:17 PM UTC-7, MaryL wrote:
>> wrote in message
>>
>> ...

>
>>
>> Amazon.com has several Rubbermaid dish drainers that have far more
>> positive
>> than negative reviews. It's not a product that would get extremely hard
>> wear. You can see some on amazon he
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_no...sh% 20drainer
>>

>
>Though Rubbermaid changed the product substantially in the last several
>years, Amazon lumps reviews of the old satisfactory model with the new
>unsatisfactory model.
>
>~~~~~~~
>Thanks. That does make it difficult to use their reviews. The reviews are
>dated, but you are correct that there does not seem to be any attempt to
>link reviews to "updated" models.


Not true, the updated model has it's own page with a different set of
reviews... Amazon does not lump reviews from separate products.
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On Saturday, August 16, 2014 9:57:24 AM UTC-7, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 04:57:38 -0500, "MaryL"
>
> > wrote:
>
> >wrote in message

>
> ...

>
> >On Thursday, August 14, 2014 12:32:17 PM UTC-7, MaryL wrote:


> >> http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_no...sh% 20drainer

>


> >Though Rubbermaid changed the product substantially in the last several
> >years, Amazon lumps reviews of the old satisfactory model with the new
> >unsatisfactory model.

>


> >Thanks. That does make it difficult to use their reviews. The reviews are
> >dated, but you are correct that there does not seem to be any attempt to
> >link reviews to "updated" models.

>


> Not true, the updated model has it's own page with a different set of
> reviews... Amazon does not lump reviews from separate products.


I wondered where the Brokelyn of old had gone. The top product on the
landing page shows the old, satisfactory version. The page
displayed after clicking on that product shows the new,
unsatisfactory version.
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"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "jmcquown" wrote:
>> > My cats' litterbox was in the master bathroom. On a bath mat
>> > (frequently
>> > taken outside and vaccuumed) on a tile floor. I didn't step on it.
>> > The
>> > floor was clean. I didn't need to have paper towels in the bathroom.
>> > As
>> > usual, your experiences are completely different from that of normal
>> > people.

>>
>> Then I guess my whole extended family isn't normal as we all have paper
>> towels in there. I have two cats and once in a while one will get a
>> little
>> something on the side of the box. Rather than having to empty the whole
>> box, I use a paper towel to clean it up. They also sometimes deposit a
>> hairball on the floor.

>
> For that, in a bathroom, just use toilet paper and flush it. No need
> for paper towels.


I prefer paper towels. We can only use 1 ply toilet paper and that's not so
good for cleaning. We also use flushable wipes.

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"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
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> On Fri, 15 Aug 2014 19:16:28 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
>>> On 8/15/2014 2:56 PM, Janet wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> One in each bathroom.
>>>>
>>>> Paper towels in your bathroom at home? Urk.
>>>>
>>>> Janet UK
>>>>
>>>
>>> You have a problem with sanitation? Of course we have regular towels,
>>> but
>>> there are times a paper towel is better to use. Need to wipe the vanity
>>> top or toilet seat? What would you use, your hand towel?
>>>
>>> Our household also has a very low incidence of colds and other illnesses
>>> and that may be a factor.

>>
>>Exactly. Used to be that I had to run to the kitchen every time I needed
>>a
>>paper towel. Especially to do things like clean a spot from the mirror.
>>Yes, I do sometimes have cleaning wipes in there. But we probably go
>>through more paper towels in there than we do in the kitchen!

>
> I have paper towels in every room, in all my vehicles, and in all my
> out buildings, yet I have no paper towel dispensers, definitely not in
> the kitchen, can't with cats... a roll of paper towels is a favorite
> toy. In the kitchen the roll is in the cabinet under the sink... in
> each room the roll is in a drawer, closet, or some closed space. The
> most often use for paper towels here is to wipe up hairballs.


I keep them everywhere too. Even my car. I used to keep rolls under the
sink but the boxes are far more handy. My cats never bother my kitchen
dispenser but I just got a new one. Heavy red metal. Old one was
lightweight plastic and I got sick of seeing it fly all over. This one is
here to stay.

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On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 22:44:32 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Gary" > wrote in message ...
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> "jmcquown" wrote:
>>> > My cats' litterbox was in the master bathroom. On a bath mat
>>> > (frequently
>>> > taken outside and vaccuumed) on a tile floor. I didn't step on it.
>>> > The
>>> > floor was clean. I didn't need to have paper towels in the bathroom.
>>> > As
>>> > usual, your experiences are completely different from that of normal
>>> > people.
>>>
>>> Then I guess my whole extended family isn't normal as we all have paper
>>> towels in there. I have two cats and once in a while one will get a
>>> little
>>> something on the side of the box. Rather than having to empty the whole
>>> box, I use a paper towel to clean it up. They also sometimes deposit a
>>> hairball on the floor.

>>
>> For that, in a bathroom, just use toilet paper and flush it. No need
>> for paper towels.

>
>I prefer paper towels. We can only use 1 ply toilet paper and that's not so
>good for cleaning. We also use flushable wipes.


TP is designed to dry clean crotches, not much good for wet
cleaning... wet a wad of TP and it begins to decay and leave lint
everywhere. Paper towels hold up well when wet... I prefer to clean
bath and kitchen surfaces with paper towels and then toss them, much
more sanitary than having dirty wet cloth towels/sponges around. I
don't buy tissues either, for blowing noses the half size paper towels
are far better (I only buy the half size), they're soft yet don't
disintergrate... if you forget a paper towel in a pocket no biggie,
forget a tissue in a pocket it'll F-UP your entire wash with lint. In
my night stand drawer I have a tissue box, but it's filled with a
stack of half size paper towels... same on the desk in my office... I
really detest tissues, they're relatively expensive and pretty much
useless.
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On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 22:45:24 -0700, "Julie Bove"
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>
>"Gary" > wrote in message ...
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> "Hypatia Nachshon" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> > On Friday, August 15, 2014 11:56:27 AM UTC-7, Janet wrote:
>>> >> In article >,
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> says...
>>> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >> > On 8/14/2014 11:18 PM, sf wrote:
>>> >
>>> > [...]
>>> >
>>> >> > > *Two* paper towel holders? Where is the second one?
>>> >
>>> >> > One in each bathroom.
>>> >
>>> >> Paper towels in your bathroom at home? Urk.
>>> >
>>> > Paper towels are very handy for wiping up spills & whatever paper
>>> > towels
>>> > are used for.
>>> >
>>> > My paper towel rack sits next to a box of tissues for whatever tissues
>>> > are
>>> > used for.
>>> >
>>> > (You were maybe thinking...?)
>>> >
>>> > HB
>>>
>>> Much handier when cleaning than having to lug a roll with you from room
>>> to
>>> room.

>>
>> Having to "lug a roll" of paper towels around? LMAO! Are you that
>> weak? Good grief!

>
>Hey, you can do what you want. You don't see me making fun of people for
>what they do. I don't see the need for so many here to do so. Whatever.


No one is making fun of you but you... quitcha-bichin... certain
people here bash me constantly, have you ever seen me complain, I
consider the source.

I keep paper towels everywhere, no lugging.
I only buy Bounty Select-D-Size.


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"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
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> No one is making fun of you but you... quitcha-bichin... certain
> people here bash me constantly, have you ever seen me complain, I
> consider the source.


That's probably because *you* bash people constantly.

Cheri

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Julie Bove wrote:
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> "Gary" > wrote in message ...
> > Julie Bove wrote:
> >>I have two cats and once in a while one will get a little
> >> something on the side of the box. Rather than having to empty the whole
> >> box, I use a paper towel to clean it up. They also sometimes deposit a
> >> hairball on the floor.

> >
> > For that, in a bathroom, just use toilet paper and flush it. No need
> > for paper towels.

>
> I prefer paper towels. We can only use 1 ply toilet paper and that's not so
> good for cleaning. We also use flushable wipes.


I would love to know now why you "can only use 1 ply toilet paper?"
Low flush toilet? It will flush 2-ply paper too. Also, can't you
easily use a wad of 1-ply to clean up a bit of poop on the side of
your litter box or scoop up a hairball? If you use a paper towel for
this cleanup, you can't flush that and you will have to lug it all the
way back into the kitchen trash.

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Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Gary" wrote:
> > Having to "lug a roll" of paper towels around? LMAO! Are you that
> > weak? Good grief!

>
> Hey, you can do what you want. You don't see me making fun of people for
> what they do. I don't see the need for so many here to do so. Whatever.


Julie, you know I like you and generally support you but you often say
the strangest things and open yourself up for joking/critisizm...ie -
all the Julie bashing.

Even I have to call you on some of the odd things that you say.

G. :-D
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On 8/17/2014 11:07 AM, Gary wrote:
> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Gary" > wrote in message ...
>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> I have two cats and once in a while one will get a little
>>>> something on the side of the box. Rather than having to empty the whole
>>>> box, I use a paper towel to clean it up. They also sometimes deposit a
>>>> hairball on the floor.
>>>
>>> For that, in a bathroom, just use toilet paper and flush it. No need
>>> for paper towels.

>>
>> I prefer paper towels. We can only use 1 ply toilet paper and that's not so
>> good for cleaning. We also use flushable wipes.

>
> I would love to know now why you "can only use 1 ply toilet paper?"
> Low flush toilet? It will flush 2-ply paper too.


Probably some obscure housing regulation we who don't live in Bothell
aren't privy to. Privy, get it? To hear her describe things I'm
surprised she doesn't have an outhouse.

> Also, can't you
> easily use a wad of 1-ply to clean up a bit of poop on the side of
> your litter box or scoop up a hairball? If you use a paper towel for
> this cleanup, you can't flush that and you will have to lug it all the
> way back into the kitchen trash.


I kept a bath mat under my cat's litterbox. It was vacuumed free of
litter and washed frequently. On the rare occasions she soiled outside
the box it was easy enough to clean up or pick up with toilet paper...
and flush. If needed, I'd get some spray cleaner and a couple of sheets
of paper towels and wipe it down. I also used litter-pan liners.

So, Julie uses flushable wipes. As if those won't clog a toilet. I had
a friend (and a plumber) tell me they *love* when people use those.
More money in their pockets.

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On 8/17/2014 12:42 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>


>
> Drying hands on paper towels is far more sanitary than using a cloth towel.


Wash the darned towel once in a while!

First, your hands are clean after washing them with soap, so, unless you
are failing to properly wash your hands, it is no less unsanitary to use
a cloth towel than a paper towel.

Second, you are not killing trees for a misguided reason.

Paper towels do have their place and I do use them, but I keep a clean,
terry, hand towel right near my sink on the handle of my oven and I dry
my hands with that. I change the towel several times a week.

I am constantly washing my hands these days.


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On 8/17/2014 12:44 AM, Julie Bove wrote:

> I prefer paper towels. We can only use 1 ply toilet paper and that's
> not so good for cleaning. We also use flushable wipes.


Wait! There is a problem here.

People who say they can only use single-ply toilet tissue are usually on
a septic or limited sewer system. Flushable wipes should never be
flushed down a drain like that.

If you use them, throw them in the trash and DON'T flush them. They
can clog up all kinds of stuff.

Check the labels of toilet paper. I have found a two-ply Charmin
product with a "septic-safe" label on it.

The glues used in toilet papers can contribute to their not breaking
down properly, not just the ply.

Look for the label.
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On 8/17/2014 11:41 AM, Janet Wilder wrote:
> On 8/17/2014 12:42 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>

>
>>
>> Drying hands on paper towels is far more sanitary than using a cloth
>> towel.

>
> Wash the darned towel once in a while!
>
> First, your hands are clean after washing them with soap, so, unless you
> are failing to properly wash your hands, it is no less unsanitary to use
> a cloth towel than a paper towel.
>

Exactly, Janet. I am guessing she has a washing machine? I use cloth
towels and they aren't unsanitary.

> Second, you are not killing trees for a misguided reason.
>

I think she just likes to buy stuff. I use paper towels, but not
exclusively. She serves most everything on paper plates. I use them
from time to time for sandwiches and snacks but I'd rather have an
actual meal on a real plate. And no, I don't dry plates using paper towels.

A hint my mother told me many years ago was, if you set just washed
dishes in the drainer to dry, pour some boiling water over them. They
dry almost instantly. That actually works.

> Paper towels do have their place and I do use them, but I keep a clean,
> terry, hand towel right near my sink on the handle of my oven and I dry
> my hands with that. I change the towel several times a week.
>

Same here, Janet.

> I am constantly washing my hands these days.
>


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On 8/17/2014 11:44 AM, Janet Wilder wrote:

> People who say they can only use single-ply toilet tissue are usually on
> a septic or limited sewer system. Flushable wipes should never be
> flushed down a drain like that.
>
> If you use them, throw them in the trash and DON'T flush them. They
> can clog up all kinds of stuff.


I've seen plumbers say that those so called flushables are
their new best friend.

nancy

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"jmcquown" > wrote in message
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> On 8/17/2014 11:07 AM, Gary wrote:
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> "Gary" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>> I have two cats and once in a while one will get a little
>>>>> something on the side of the box. Rather than having to empty the
>>>>> whole
>>>>> box, I use a paper towel to clean it up. They also sometimes deposit
>>>>> a
>>>>> hairball on the floor.
>>>>
>>>> For that, in a bathroom, just use toilet paper and flush it. No need
>>>> for paper towels.
>>>
>>> I prefer paper towels. We can only use 1 ply toilet paper and that's
>>> not so
>>> good for cleaning. We also use flushable wipes.

>>
>> I would love to know now why you "can only use 1 ply toilet paper?"
>> Low flush toilet? It will flush 2-ply paper too.

>
> Probably some obscure housing regulation we who don't live in Bothell
> aren't privy to. Privy, get it? To hear her describe things I'm
> surprised she doesn't have an outhouse.
>
>> Also, can't you
>> easily use a wad of 1-ply to clean up a bit of poop on the side of
>> your litter box or scoop up a hairball? If you use a paper towel for
>> this cleanup, you can't flush that and you will have to lug it all the
>> way back into the kitchen trash.

>
> I kept a bath mat under my cat's litterbox. It was vacuumed free of
> litter and washed frequently. On the rare occasions she soiled outside
> the box it was easy enough to clean up or pick up with toilet paper... and
> flush. If needed, I'd get some spray cleaner and a couple of sheets of
> paper towels and wipe it down. I also used litter-pan liners.
>
> So, Julie uses flushable wipes. As if those won't clog a toilet. I had a
> friend (and a plumber) tell me they *love* when people use those. More
> money in their pockets.
>
> Jill


Yep, they do cause a lot of problems.

Cheri

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On Saturday, August 16, 2014 11:44:32 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
> "Gary" > wrote in message ...
>
> > Julie Bove wrote:

>
> >>

>
> >> "jmcquown" wrote:

>
> >> > My cats' litterbox was in the master bathroom. On a bath mat

>
> >> > (frequently

>
> >> > taken outside and vaccuumed) on a tile floor. I didn't step on it.

>
> >> > The

>
> >> > floor was clean. I didn't need to have paper towels in the bathroom.

>
> >> > As

>
> >> > usual, your experiences are completely different from that of normal

>
> >> > people.

>
> >>

>
> >> Then I guess my whole extended family isn't normal as we all have paper

>
> >> towels in there. I have two cats and once in a while one will get a

>
> >> little

>
> >> something on the side of the box. Rather than having to empty the whole

>
> >> box, I use a paper towel to clean it up. They also sometimes deposit a

>
> >> hairball on the floor.

>
> >

>
> > For that, in a bathroom, just use toilet paper and flush it. No need

>
> > for paper towels.

>
>
>
> I prefer paper towels. We can only use 1 ply toilet paper and that's not so
>
> good for cleaning. We also use flushable wipes.


Flush-able wipes are one of the best sewer plug-er-uppers available.
Plumbers love them as they get rich fixing situations that are clearly avoidable. City sewer workers hate them as it makes their life miserable finding the snafus in the system.


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On Sunday, August 17, 2014 9:07:31 AM UTC-6, Gary wrote:
> Julie Bove wrote:
>
> >

>
> > "Gary" > wrote in message ...

>
> > > Julie Bove wrote:

>
> > >>I have two cats and once in a while one will get a little

>
> > >> something on the side of the box. Rather than having to empty the whole

>
> > >> box, I use a paper towel to clean it up. They also sometimes deposit a

>
> > >> hairball on the floor.

>
> > >

>
> > > For that, in a bathroom, just use toilet paper and flush it. No need

>
> > > for paper towels.

>
> >

>
> > I prefer paper towels. We can only use 1 ply toilet paper and that's not so

>
> > good for cleaning. We also use flushable wipes.

>
>
>
> I would love to know now why you "can only use 1 ply toilet paper?"
>
> Low flush toilet? It will flush 2-ply paper too. Also, can't you
>
> easily use a wad of 1-ply to clean up a bit of poop on the side of
>
> your litter box or scoop up a hairball? If you use a paper towel for
>
> this cleanup, you can't flush that and you will have to lug it all the
>
> way back into the kitchen trash.
>
>
>
> G.


Please...don't confuse her with LOGIC.
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On 8/17/2014 11:41 AM, Janet Wilder wrote:

> First, your hands are clean after washing them with soap, so, unless you
> are failing to properly wash your hands, it is no less unsanitary to use
> a cloth towel than a paper towel.


In theory, but not in practice. If you were correct, a towel would
never need washing.


>
> Second, you are not killing trees for a misguided reason.


Paper towels and TT use a lot of recycled paper. Doing laundry uses
precious water and adds chemicals that must be treated. Pretty much a
wash, you might say.


>
> Paper towels do have their place and I do use them, but I keep a clean,
> terry, hand towel right near my sink on the handle of my oven and I dry
> my hands with that. I change the towel several times a week.


Easy with one or two people, but less so with five people in the house,
all using the kitchen and bathrooms.

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On 8/17/2014 12:06 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 8/17/2014 11:44 AM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>
>> People who say they can only use single-ply toilet tissue are usually on
>> a septic or limited sewer system. Flushable wipes should never be
>> flushed down a drain like that.
>>
>> If you use them, throw them in the trash and DON'T flush them. They
>> can clog up all kinds of stuff.

>
> I've seen plumbers say that those so called flushables are
> their new best friend.
>
> nancy
>

Yep, you and a plumber told me the same thing. And he wasn't trying to
save me money, he was just honest. Don't use those flushable wipes;
they do not biodegrade as promised but they will clog up the outflow valves.

Jill
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