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On 8/15/2014 4:36 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 8/15/2014 6:24 PM, James Silverton wrote: >> I'll wait for further details. It sounds like the Ferguson cops really >> screwed up but the presence of that liar and convicted libeler Al >> Sharpton does not persuade me to sympathize.. >> > The "Reverend" (ha!) Al Sharpton doesn't do anything but try to inflame > divisiness. These days, even Jesse Jackson has stepped away from this > sort of thing. > > Jill I think his son's conviction took some wind out of his sails... |
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On 8/15/2014 4:43 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Aug 2014 16:17:18 -0600, Mayo > wrote: > >> On 8/15/2014 1:50 PM, John Kuthe wrote: >>> On Fri, 15 Aug 2014 12:10:25 -0600, Mayo > wrote: >>> >>>> On 8/15/2014 10:22 AM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote: >>>>> On Friday, August 15, 2014 11:06:42 AM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote: >>>>>> Dave Smith wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Paul M. Cook wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>> The cop will never see a day in jail. He'll never even see a court trial. >>>>>> >>>>>>>> The police chief of that town appears to be a hard core bigot and the county >>>>>> >>>>>>>> DA has come out and said the governor had no authority to take the county PD >>>>>> >>>>>>>> off the case an said he shamed them. And he's the man who will file >>>>>> >>>>>>>> charges - or not. I am betting on not. >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> It will be interesting to hear the other side of the story. I saw a >>>>>> >>>>>>> video of the victim's friend describing what had happened and it didn't >>>>>> >>>>>>> make much sense. It seems they was just walking along the road.The cops >>>>>> >>>>>>> stopped and cursed at them for walking on the road. Then the cop pulled >>>>>> >>>>>>> up and tried to pull the kid into the car and already had his gun >>>>>> >>>>>>> pulled? The victim them ran away, stopped and put his hands up? >>>>>> >>>>>>> Meanwhile, the friend was running away because he was fearing for his >>>>>> >>>>>>> own life, and still managed to see what had happened. There are some >>>>>> >>>>>>> credibility issues. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyone willing to hear facts rather than spout off ignant supposition >>>>>> >>>>>> would have known that big doofuss was no innocent, he was being sought >>>>>> >>>>>> for a strong arm robbery and when confronted resisted... stay tuned >>>>>> >>>>>> for more facts... all over the noos this AM. BTW, turns out the >>>>>> >>>>>> victim's friend was his accomplice in committing the robbery... all on >>>>>> >>>>>> surveilence video. Stay tuned until the fat lady sings. >>>>> >>>>> You're getting two different North St. Louis County shooting cases mixed up. >>>>> Michael Brown was guilty of nothing more than jaywalking. >>>> >>>> How do YOU know that ? >>>> >>>>> The other guy who >>>>> got shot probably deserved it. >>>>> >>>>> --Bryan >>>>> >>>> >>>> How do YOU know that? >>> >>> Easy when you have Narcisstic Persobnality Disorder. The only >>> poassible truth is YOUR truth! ;-) >>> >>> John Kuthe... >> >> Hah! >> >> Lots of narcissists out here! > > Many more in politics, or show business (like there's a difference!) Well stated. > Some neuroses allow people to lead very financially successful lives. > Look at Robin Williams, Bipolar like me!! Does not mean it's healthy. > Look how it worked out for Mr. Williams! :-( > > John Kuthe... To be fair the Parkinsons diagnosis looks to have been the trigger, not bipolarity. Sounds like yours is treated, good on you. |
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On 8/15/2014 4:52 PM, William wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Aug 2014 20:19:44 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" > > wrote: > >> Ferguson is ~2/3 Black, and the police dept. has 50 White >>> officers, and only 3 Black officers. > > > How...in 2014 could this town be 2/3 black and only have 3 black cops > or be run by whites? No blacks in the town government? This story just > gets curiouser and curiouser? > > William > Leading one to ponder, why do its black residents not get more involved? |
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On Fri, 15 Aug 2014 17:03:16 -0600, Mayo > wrote:
>On 8/15/2014 4:22 PM, graham wrote: >> On 15/08/2014 4:13 PM, Mayo wrote: >>> On 8/15/2014 1:30 PM, sf wrote: >>>> On Fri, 15 Aug 2014 12:09:09 -0600, Mayo > wrote: >>>> >>>>>> A police force that brings out an armored vehicle and >>>>>> machine guns to a peaceful demonstration is over reacting. How are >>>>>> 10-12 YO girls tap dancing in the street a threat? >>>>> >>>>> How much rioting and looting can occur before a message need be sent? >>>> >>>> The story is changing now. The kid robbed a store. >>> >> ALLEGEDLY!!!!!! >> >> Graham >> >That's the keyword - yes. > >Folks need to remember that. It's difficult to deny the video. |
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On 2014-08-15 19:03, Mayo wrote:
> >>>> The story is changing now. The kid robbed a store. >>> >> ALLEGEDLY!!!!!! >> >> Graham >> > That's the keyword - yes. > > Folks need to remember that. Apparently the witness admitted that was Brown who robbed the store. |
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On 8/15/2014 7:12 PM, Mayo wrote:
> On 8/15/2014 4:52 PM, William wrote: >> On Thu, 14 Aug 2014 20:19:44 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" > >> wrote: >> >>> Ferguson is ~2/3 Black, and the police dept. has 50 White >>>> officers, and only 3 Black officers. >> >> >> How...in 2014 could this town be 2/3 black and only have 3 black cops >> or be run by whites? No blacks in the town government? This story just >> gets curiouser and curiouser? >> >> William >> > > Leading one to ponder, why do its black residents not get more involved? Many factors involved. I often see where minorities want to have the same racial makeup of the police department, teachers, whatever reflect the makeup of the general population. Won't happen for a few generations. To qualify for many of these positions you must pass a test and unfortunately, many of the minorities are not qualified. Some of that is environmental, lack of opportunity and lack of interest. I don't have the answer, but education is the place to start. |
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On 2014-08-15 10:23 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> Leading one to ponder, why do its black residents not get more involved? > > Many factors involved. I often see where minorities want to have the > same racial makeup of the police department, teachers, whatever reflect > the makeup of the general population. Won't happen for a few generations. > > To qualify for many of these positions you must pass a test and > unfortunately, many of the minorities are not qualified. Some of that > is environmental, lack of opportunity and lack of interest. > > I don't have the answer, but education is the place to start. Employment equity programs here have bent the rules on qualifications and training in order to hire an appropriate number of minorities. Minority will be accepted with lower marks if they need to boost numbers. Physical standards can be waived. Police here used to have to meet height and weight standards, the thinking being that they had to be big enough to handle themselves in physical confrontations. Women and Asians could not meet those physical requirements, so they were dropped. They argued that with new equipment and training that physical stature was no longer important. That happened about a year before I had to attend police college. There was recruit training going on while I was there for my course. There were lots of large white and black men. The only recruits that would not have met the old physical requirements were woman and Asians. That leads me to wonder why it is that if the old standards were no longer important and were dropped in order to be able to recruit women and Asians, why is it the the lower standards apply only for them? |
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On 8/16/2014 10:27 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> That is a really bizarre way of stating it. The kid was apparently not > "innocent of anything" when he was stopped. It would be more accurate to > say that they cop did not know that the kid he had just stopped had just > robbed a store. The kid knew that he had just robbed a store, and now he > is face to face with a cop and he didn't know that the cop was unaware > of his crime. > That could easily make the kid act in an abnormal manner too. Again, we may never know the truth of what really happened in a short encounter. Even unarmed he may have seemed threatening. It will never be settled in everyone's mind as to what should have taken place. |
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On Friday, August 15, 2014 12:47:04 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
> > Now... way down here in SC? Sorry, but no one is still trying to fight > > the Civil War. The people here are very friendly. > I'm sure that's the case around Beaufort. That's civilization. Go across the state to Greenville. Folks who live within however many miles of an ocean tend to accept shifting norms more easily that inlanders. While I live in one of the most racially harmonious towns in St. Louis County, it wasn't that way when we moved back here almost 22 years ago. Ferguson is more unenlightened, yes, but mostly it's just poorer and Blacker. There is a pervasive opinion among so many Whites that Blacks are inferior, and that's often the case with Whites who are themselves candidates for eugenic non-reproduction. The thing is, whatever your ancestry, the environment, both materially and culturally that you grow up in certainly trumps your racial characteristics, and White supremacists can't quite accept that. > > Jill --Bryan |
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On Friday, August 15, 2014 8:26:31 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-08-15 19:03, Mayo wrote: > > > > > >>>> The story is changing now. The kid robbed a store. > > >>> > > >> ALLEGEDLY!!!!!! > > >> > > >> Graham > > >> > > > That's the keyword - yes. > > > > > > Folks need to remember that. > > > > > > Apparently the witness admitted that was Brown who robbed the store. And told police about the incident right away. --Bryan |
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On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 09:07:54 -0300, wrote:
>On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 20:56:21 +1000, JohnJohn > >wrote: > >>On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 07:36:59 -0300, wrote: >> >>>On Fri, 15 Aug 2014 21:26:31 -0400, Dave Smith > wrote: >>> >>>>On 2014-08-15 19:03, Mayo wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>>> The story is changing now. The kid robbed a store. >>>>>>> >>>>>> ALLEGEDLY!!!!!! >>>>>> >>>>>> Graham >>>>>> >>>>> That's the keyword - yes. >>>>> >>>>> Folks need to remember that. >>>> >>>> >>>>Apparently the witness admitted that was Brown who robbed the store. >>> >>>Certainly looked like him on video footage - but should the sentence >>>for unarmed robbery be death ? >> >>No, but I know lots of people who never robbed a store and who were >>also never killed by a cop. > >A negative does not disprove a positive. Basically it leaves this >argument where it began - why did the cop see fit to gun down an >unarmed man ? So far the public doesn't know what occured during the confrontation... and it's not known for cedrtain he was unarmed... he did have an accomplice who could have absconded with a weapon. There are a lot of what-ifs, could-haves, etc., right now no one knows for certain... time will tell. Most people are at times confronted by police, I certainly have been, several times because when younger I liked fast cars and admit to speeding all the time, just no one gets caught breaking traffic laws each time they do. I've gotten dozens of speeding tickets, in many states, I've never been hassled. All ya gotta do is obey the troopers instructions, make no sudden moves, and answer questions politely... accept the summons and most hassle you'll get is being told to have a nice day. |
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On 16/08/2014 10:05 AM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
> On Friday, August 15, 2014 8:26:31 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote: >> On 2014-08-15 19:03, Mayo wrote: >> >>> >> >>>>>> The story is changing now. The kid robbed a store. >> >>>>> >> >>>> ALLEGEDLY!!!!!! >> >>>> >> >>>> Graham >> >>>> >> >>> That's the keyword - yes. >> >>> >> >>> Folks need to remember that. >> >> >> >> >> >> Apparently the witness admitted that was Brown who robbed the store. > > And told police about the incident right away. > > --Bryan > GOSSIP, GOSSIP, GOSSIP!!! Graham |
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On 2014-08-16 11:25 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> That is a really bizarre way of stating it. The kid was apparently not >> "innocent of anything" when he was stopped. It would be more accurate to >> say that they cop did not know that the kid he had just stopped had just >> robbed a store. The kid knew that he had just robbed a store, and now he >> is face to face with a cop and he didn't know that the cop was unaware >> of his crime. >> > > That could easily make the kid act in an abnormal manner too. Again, we > may never know the truth of what really happened in a short encounter. > Even unarmed he may have seemed threatening. It will never be settled > in everyone's mind as to what should have taken place. That is the way I imagined it happening. When I saw the videos of the kid's friend giving his account I had some issues with his credibility. I confess that the neck tattoos elicited some prejudice. I didn't believe that a cop would pull up beside the guy and reach out and grab him and try to pull him into the car. I also wondered how he could run in fear of his life and still manage to see everything. His good friend just got shot and he thought he was next??? Upon hearing about their involvement in the robbery he was obviously lying to cover his own butt. He didn't know about the videotape. It sounds to me that this pair of robbers leaving the seen of their crime were suddenly confronted by a cop and think they are busted, so they did what they thought they had to do to get away. |
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On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 13:05:19 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote: >On 2014-08-16 11:25 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: > >>> That is a really bizarre way of stating it. The kid was apparently not >>> "innocent of anything" when he was stopped. It would be more accurate to >>> say that they cop did not know that the kid he had just stopped had just >>> robbed a store. The kid knew that he had just robbed a store, and now he >>> is face to face with a cop and he didn't know that the cop was unaware >>> of his crime. >>> >> >> That could easily make the kid act in an abnormal manner too. Again, we >> may never know the truth of what really happened in a short encounter. >> Even unarmed he may have seemed threatening. It will never be settled >> in everyone's mind as to what should have taken place. > >That is the way I imagined it happening. When I saw the videos of the >kid's friend giving his account I had some issues with his credibility. > I confess that the neck tattoos elicited some prejudice. I didn't >believe that a cop would pull up beside the guy and reach out and grab >him and try to pull him into the car. I also wondered how he could run >in fear of his life and still manage to see everything. His good friend >just got shot and he thought he was next??? Upon hearing about their >involvement in the robbery he was obviously lying to cover his own butt. >He didn't know about the videotape. > >It sounds to me that this pair of robbers leaving the seen of their >crime were suddenly confronted by a cop and think they are busted, so >they did what they thought they had to do to get away. > There's a video in this article from the store which was robbed of the robbery. Michael Brown is the large individual wearing the red cap: http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/crime...bery/14141387/ He's clearly a big bully. 18 years old and throwing his weight around literally, to intimidate and steal the cigars. John Kuthe... --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com |
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On 2014-08-16 12:05 PM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
>> Apparently the witness admitted that was Brown who robbed the store. > > And told police about the incident right away. > > I have seen two different interviews with the eye witness/accomplice. Not once did he even hint that he and the shooting victim had just committed a robbery. He said they were just walking down the empty street and weren't blocking any traffic when the cop came along. Are you suggesting that he told the cops right away about the robbery and then turned around and gave several interviews to the media and omitted that crucial bit of information? I have come across several articles online that report that Brown assaulted the officer, shoved him back into cruiser and there was a struggle over the weapon. Don't forget that the officer did not know about the robber. Brown did. And the witness??? zero credibility. He was an accomplice to the robebry. |
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On 2014-08-16 12:05 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > So far the public doesn't know what occured during the > confrontation... and it's not known for cedrtain he was unarmed... he > did have an accomplice who could have absconded with a weapon. There > are a lot of what-ifs, could-haves, etc., right now no one knows for > certain... time will tell. Most people are at times > confronted by police, I certainly have been, several times because > when younger I liked fast cars and admit to speeding all the time, > just no one gets caught breaking traffic laws each time they do. I've > gotten dozens of speeding tickets, in many states, I've never been > hassled. All ya gotta do is obey the troopers instructions, make no > sudden moves, and answer questions politely... accept the summons and > most hassle you'll get is being told to have a nice day. > From my experience being the one handing out tickets I can tell you that attitude goes a long way. There were a lot of cases where I tried to give warnings. Most people appreciate warnings and for minor infractions it frees you up to look after bigger issues. If the person wants to argue about it ..... give him the ticket and let the JP decide. I used to always give a lot of warnings about seat belts. It was an easy one to beat in court because they would usually lie and said they had their belts on. So much easier to smile and tell them they are life savers so wear it. I once had a guy tell me "I am not going to wear my seat belt and you can't make me." He got a ticket. I If the person is a complete ass and verbally abusive.... multiple charges. Instead of one ticket and warnings for the others.... tickets for all of them. If a person lies and obstructs.... multiple charges. They are usually referred to as attitude adjustment charges. AAs. It was standard procedure to make prints of computer records for driver licenses and vehicle registration as part of the evidence. It was also SOP to check the person's conviction record. It was never much of a surprise that the belligerent jerks' records often showed repeat incidents of multiple attitude charges. If you are having a bad time with the cop don't be an ass yourself. Stay calm and make notes. If someone was being a real ass and I figured he would put up a fight in court, I always made sure to make meticulous notes. Proper notes made at the time have more credibility in court than memory only at trial time. If things went well and a ticket was issued, notes were brief and it would be a real surprise to go to court and not have the information. Don't rant and rave that you are going to report him for his bad behaviour. Most of the guys who threatened to report me never did. If they did threaten to report me I always contacted my supervisor to make sure he had my side of the story first. As long as i had gone by the book I had nothing to fear. |
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On 2014-08-16 1:57 PM, Mayo wrote:
Face it, white cops execute black people. Happens all the time. Four >>> times this month alone if you include the executed cigarette seller. >> >> No reason not to include it. He was murdered by a racist cop. > > Dance in the blood without knowing a damned thing except what your > biased media inculcate you with, you foul old bigot! It is perfectly acceptable among pseudo intellectual liberals to assume that all cops are racist. They never see the irony of their own prejudice. |
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On 2014-08-16 2:01 PM, Mayo wrote:
>> Anyway, the fact that the cop was not aware of any shoplifting incident >> just reinforces the fact that he committed murder. > > Murder is a VERY specific charge to level. > > And YOU are the least trustworthy person to ever make such an accusation. > > Without the slightest doubt, YOU demonstrate immense personal bias each > time you open your foul, bigoted yap. > > God help anyone who would ever suffer the misfortune to have you on a jury. > > You're a sick, bad person, period. The robbery is a very important element in this situation. The cop apparently knew nothing about the robbery, so when he stopped those guys for walking down the road blocking traffic (and I have witnessed that bullshit attitude... yeah I am in the middle of the road and don't you dare try to do anything about it), he didn't know about the robbery. The two robbers did. Heaven forbid that the two guys walking away from a robbery might think the cop is stopping them because of the robbery. |
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John Kuthie wrote:
>Dave Smith wrote: >>Ed Pawlowski wrote: >> >>>> That is a really bizarre way of stating it. The kid was apparently not >>>> "innocent of anything" when he was stopped. It would be more accurate to >>>> say that they cop did not know that the kid he had just stopped had just >>>> robbed a store. The kid knew that he had just robbed a store, and now he >>>> is face to face with a cop and he didn't know that the cop was unaware >>>> of his crime. I wouldn't refer to an 18 year old as a kid, that's predjudicial... when I was 18 I was wearing the uniform of the US armed forces serving my country, I was no kid. >>> That could easily make the kid act in an abnormal manner too. Again, we >>> may never know the truth of what really happened in a short encounter. >>> Even unarmed he may have seemed threatening. It will never be settled >>> in everyone's mind as to what should have taken place. >> >>That is the way I imagined it happening. When I saw the videos of the >>kid's friend giving his account I had some issues with his credibility. >> I confess that the neck tattoos elicited some prejudice. I didn't >>believe that a cop would pull up beside the guy and reach out and grab >>him and try to pull him into the car. I also wondered how he could run >>in fear of his life and still manage to see everything. His good friend >>just got shot and he thought he was next??? Upon hearing about their >>involvement in the robbery he was obviously lying to cover his own butt. >>He didn't know about the videotape. >> >>It sounds to me that this pair of robbers leaving the seen of their >>crime were suddenly confronted by a cop and think they are busted, so >>they did what they thought they had to do to get away. >> > >There's a video in this article from the store which was robbed of the >robbery. Michael Brown is the large individual wearing the red cap: > >http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/crime...bery/14141387/ > >He's clearly a big bully. 18 years old and throwing his weight around >literally, to intimidate and steal the cigars. That video was plastered all over the news yesterday from early morning... seems to me that video wouldn't normally be made public but after some thought it was hoped to help quell the rioting, apparently a mistake airing that video. It couldn't be clearer in that video what was occuring and by whom... that thug weighed 294 pounds and was 6'4"... I'd like to see a picture and the stats of the cop who ALLEGEDLY shot him, there are plenty of cops half his size, and apparently from the video he's very used to bullying/intimidating... so far we don't know who shot the thug, no ballistics have been reported... coulda been the accomplice who shot at the cop and hit the big thug (would be hard to miss). At this point all anyone can offer is wild speculation. Even though the thug can't speak that cop knows what occured and in time will be told... even if the thug were arrested at the convenience store his lawyer would instruct him to keep his mouth shut... the cop has also been instructed likewise. It'll probably be a long time before the public knows what occured. |
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On 8/15/2014 6:15 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Aug 2014 17:03:16 -0600, Mayo > wrote: > >> On 8/15/2014 4:22 PM, graham wrote: >>> On 15/08/2014 4:13 PM, Mayo wrote: >>>> On 8/15/2014 1:30 PM, sf wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 15 Aug 2014 12:09:09 -0600, Mayo > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> A police force that brings out an armored vehicle and >>>>>>> machine guns to a peaceful demonstration is over reacting. How are >>>>>>> 10-12 YO girls tap dancing in the street a threat? >>>>>> >>>>>> How much rioting and looting can occur before a message need be sent? >>>>> >>>>> The story is changing now. The kid robbed a store. >>>> >>> ALLEGEDLY!!!!!! >>> >>> Graham >>> >> That's the keyword - yes. >> >> Folks need to remember that. > > It's difficult to deny the video. > True. |
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On 16/08/2014 12:51 PM, Mayo wrote:
> On 8/15/2014 6:15 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote: >> On Fri, 15 Aug 2014 17:03:16 -0600, Mayo > wrote: >> >>> On 8/15/2014 4:22 PM, graham wrote: >>>> On 15/08/2014 4:13 PM, Mayo wrote: >>>>> On 8/15/2014 1:30 PM, sf wrote: >>>>>> On Fri, 15 Aug 2014 12:09:09 -0600, Mayo > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>> A police force that brings out an armored vehicle and >>>>>>>> machine guns to a peaceful demonstration is over reacting. How are >>>>>>>> 10-12 YO girls tap dancing in the street a threat? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How much rioting and looting can occur before a message need be >>>>>>> sent? >>>>>> >>>>>> The story is changing now. The kid robbed a store. >>>>> >>>> ALLEGEDLY!!!!!! >>>> >>>> Graham >>>> >>> That's the keyword - yes. >>> >>> Folks need to remember that. >> >> It's difficult to deny the video. >> > True. But what difference does it make to all here who are just indulging in idle gossip? Graham |
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On 8/15/2014 7:26 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-08-15 19:03, Mayo wrote: >> >>>>> The story is changing now. The kid robbed a store. >>>> >>> ALLEGEDLY!!!!!! >>> >>> Graham >>> >> That's the keyword - yes. >> >> Folks need to remember that. > > > Apparently the witness admitted that was Brown who robbed the store. > So more testimony emerges... |
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On 8/15/2014 8:23 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/15/2014 7:12 PM, Mayo wrote: >> On 8/15/2014 4:52 PM, William wrote: >>> On Thu, 14 Aug 2014 20:19:44 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" > >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Ferguson is ~2/3 Black, and the police dept. has 50 White >>>>> officers, and only 3 Black officers. >>> >>> >>> How...in 2014 could this town be 2/3 black and only have 3 black cops >>> or be run by whites? No blacks in the town government? This story just >>> gets curiouser and curiouser? >>> >>> William >>> >> >> Leading one to ponder, why do its black residents not get more involved? > > Many factors involved. I often see where minorities want to have the > same racial makeup of the police department, teachers, whatever reflect > the makeup of the general population. Won't happen for a few generations. Agreed. > To qualify for many of these positions you must pass a test and > unfortunately, many of the minorities are not qualified. Some of that > is environmental, lack of opportunity and lack of interest. > > I don't have the answer, but education is the place to start. It always has been, yes. |
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On 8/16/2014 6:07 AM, wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 20:56:21 +1000, JohnJohn > > wrote: > >> On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 07:36:59 -0300, wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 15 Aug 2014 21:26:31 -0400, Dave Smith >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> On 2014-08-15 19:03, Mayo wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>>> The story is changing now. The kid robbed a store. >>>>>>> >>>>>> ALLEGEDLY!!!!!! >>>>>> >>>>>> Graham >>>>>> >>>>> That's the keyword - yes. >>>>> >>>>> Folks need to remember that. >>>> >>>> >>>> Apparently the witness admitted that was Brown who robbed the store. >>> >>> Certainly looked like him on video footage - but should the sentence >>> for unarmed robbery be death ? >> >> No, but I know lots of people who never robbed a store and who were >> also never killed by a cop. > > A negative does not disprove a positive. Basically it leaves this > argument where it began - why did the cop see fit to gun down an > unarmed man ? > Why did the unarmed man see fit to resist the lawful orders of a peace officer? |
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On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 14:34:39 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote: >John Kuthie wrote: >>Dave Smith wrote: >>>Ed Pawlowski wrote: >>> >>>>> That is a really bizarre way of stating it. The kid was apparently not >>>>> "innocent of anything" when he was stopped. It would be more accurate to >>>>> say that they cop did not know that the kid he had just stopped had just >>>>> robbed a store. The kid knew that he had just robbed a store, and now he >>>>> is face to face with a cop and he didn't know that the cop was unaware >>>>> of his crime. > >I wouldn't refer to an 18 year old as a kid, that's predjudicial... >when I was 18 I was wearing the uniform of the US armed forces serving >my country, I was no kid. > >>>> That could easily make the kid act in an abnormal manner too. Again, we >>>> may never know the truth of what really happened in a short encounter. >>>> Even unarmed he may have seemed threatening. It will never be settled >>>> in everyone's mind as to what should have taken place. >>> >>>That is the way I imagined it happening. When I saw the videos of the >>>kid's friend giving his account I had some issues with his credibility. >>> I confess that the neck tattoos elicited some prejudice. I didn't >>>believe that a cop would pull up beside the guy and reach out and grab >>>him and try to pull him into the car. I also wondered how he could run >>>in fear of his life and still manage to see everything. His good friend >>>just got shot and he thought he was next??? Upon hearing about their >>>involvement in the robbery he was obviously lying to cover his own butt. >>>He didn't know about the videotape. >>> >>>It sounds to me that this pair of robbers leaving the seen of their >>>crime were suddenly confronted by a cop and think they are busted, so >>>they did what they thought they had to do to get away. >>> >> >>There's a video in this article from the store which was robbed of the >>robbery. Michael Brown is the large individual wearing the red cap: >> >>http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/crime...bery/14141387/ >> >>He's clearly a big bully. 18 years old and throwing his weight around >>literally, to intimidate and steal the cigars. > >That video was plastered all over the news yesterday from early >morning... seems to me that video wouldn't normally be made public but >after some thought it was hoped to help quell the rioting, apparently >a mistake airing that video. It couldn't be clearer in that video >what was occuring and by whom... that thug weighed 294 pounds and was >6'4"... I'd like to see a picture and the stats of the cop who >ALLEGEDLY shot him, there are plenty of cops half his size, and >apparently from the video he's very used to bullying/intimidating... >so far we don't know who shot the thug, no ballistics have been >reported... coulda been the accomplice who shot at the cop and hit the >big thug (would be hard to miss). At this point all anyone can offer >is wild speculation. Even though the thug can't speak that cop knows >what occured and in time will be told... even if the thug were >arrested at the convenience store his lawyer would instruct him to >keep his mouth shut... the cop has also been instructed likewise. >It'll probably be a long time before the public knows what occured. When you're 6'4" and almost 300lbs indimidation is easy, you just show up. He was only 18 years old and evidently no one had instructed him yet not to be a bully. And unfortunately for him (and others) he paid the ultimate price for being a bully. John Kuthe... John Kuthe... --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com |
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On 8/16/2014 8:15 AM, wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 10:01:50 -0400, Dave Smith > > wrote: > >> On 2014-08-16 9:47 AM, wrote: >>> On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 09:16:03 -0400, Dave Smith >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> FFS No one on their right mind is suggesting that he was killed for >>>> robbing a store. Something happened when the kid who knew he had just >>>> robbed a store was stopped by a cop who didn't know about the robbery or >>>> that the kid was the suspect. Something happened, and the story we >>>> heard about how this poor innocent kid being shot while he had his hands >>>> up came from his accomplice. >>> >>> I wasn't suggesting he was killed for robbing the store, the cop did >>> not know anything about the robbery, according to the Police Chief. So >>> we come back to a youth - seems a mouthy one - walking down the middle >>> of the road and it goes from there until he is shot dead. >> >> It sure sounded like you were suggesting that when you wrote: >> "So because he allegedly robbed a store unarmed, it's okay to kill him?" >> >> >> >>>>> When I was a student we painted a crosswalk where we felt there should >>>>> be one in the middle of the night. We were caught and hauled away but >>>>> we weren't shot and ultimately we didn't even have a record. >>>> >>>> >>>> That is because you had not just robbed a store and panicked when the >>>> cop came along. That story about the cop coming along and getting >>>> violent with the kid for no reason at all..... it is most likely pure >>>> bullshit coming from the lips of the victim's friend and accomplice. >>> >>> We don't know he panicked, now you are making stuff up. >> >> >> That may be what I think happened but it is not what I said happened. >> Look at what I wrote instead of what you imagined I did. When you said >> that you were not shot I wrote that it was because *you* had not just >> robbed a store and panicked when a cop stopped you. >> >> Do you really think that a young guy who had just robbed a store by >> strong arming the owner and then gets stopped by a cop would not panic? >> Perhaps not. He might be bold enough to get aggressive with the cop. >> >> >> >>> The only >>> known facts are that the cop pulled up and it ended with a dead youth. >>> What transpired in between is not known/clear but we still come back >>> to no matter what the youth did, he was unarmed and wound up dead. >> >> Yep. We had that sad story about the cop picking on this poor innocent >> black kid for simply walking on the street and the cop escalating the >> confrontation into a shooting. Then it turned out that the kid was not >> so innocent and the eyewitnesses story is bullshit. >> >> >> > The youth was innocent of anything to the cop when he stopped him. > That is supposition, not fact. |
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On 8/16/2014 9:46 AM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
> There is a pervasive opinion among so many Whites that Blacks are inferior, There is so much less of that now than at any time in our history. Why do you focus on the negative instead of the positive? |
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On 8/16/2014 10:44 AM, graham wrote:
> On 16/08/2014 10:05 AM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote: >> On Friday, August 15, 2014 8:26:31 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote: >>> On 2014-08-15 19:03, Mayo wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>>>>> The story is changing now. The kid robbed a store. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>> ALLEGEDLY!!!!!! >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Graham >>> >>>>> >>> >>>> That's the keyword - yes. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Folks need to remember that. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Apparently the witness admitted that was Brown who robbed the store. >> >> And told police about the incident right away. >> >> --Bryan >> > GOSSIP, GOSSIP, GOSSIP!!! > Graham Precisely! |
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On 8/16/2014 11:05 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-08-16 11:25 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: > >>> That is a really bizarre way of stating it. The kid was apparently not >>> "innocent of anything" when he was stopped. It would be more accurate to >>> say that they cop did not know that the kid he had just stopped had just >>> robbed a store. The kid knew that he had just robbed a store, and now he >>> is face to face with a cop and he didn't know that the cop was unaware >>> of his crime. >>> >> >> That could easily make the kid act in an abnormal manner too. Again, we >> may never know the truth of what really happened in a short encounter. >> Even unarmed he may have seemed threatening. It will never be settled >> in everyone's mind as to what should have taken place. > > That is the way I imagined it happening. When I saw the videos of the > kid's friend giving his account I had some issues with his credibility. > I confess that the neck tattoos elicited some prejudice. I didn't > believe that a cop would pull up beside the guy and reach out and grab > him and try to pull him into the car. I also wondered how he could run > in fear of his life and still manage to see everything. His good friend > just got shot and he thought he was next??? Upon hearing about their > involvement in the robbery he was obviously lying to cover his own butt. > He didn't know about the videotape. > > It sounds to me that this pair of robbers leaving the seen of their > crime were suddenly confronted by a cop and think they are busted, so > they did what they thought they had to do to get away. > > Educated but logical supposition. |
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On 8/16/2014 12:03 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-08-16 1:57 PM, Mayo wrote: > Face it, white cops execute black people. Happens all the time. Four >>>> times this month alone if you include the executed cigarette seller. >>> >>> No reason not to include it. He was murdered by a racist cop. >> >> Dance in the blood without knowing a damned thing except what your >> biased media inculcate you with, you foul old bigot! > > > It is perfectly acceptable among pseudo intellectual liberals to assume > that all cops are racist. They never see the irony of their own prejudice. Very well stated and analyzed. You must have been a "good" cop. |
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