On 8/18/2014 6:50 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-08-18 5:20 PM, Nancy Young wrote:

>> That's happened plenty of times, false accusations. If I was
>> a cop, I'd welcome cameras.
>
> Dash cams sure.... body cams? Considering the small number of police
> shootings??

Shootings aren't the only things that happen where police
are falsely accused. If you're a cop who's not doing
something wrong, why not have proof.

Everyone is carrying a camera these days, anyway.
Too bad no one had one rolling so we don't wonder what
happened in this case.

nancy

On 2014-08-18 7:13 PM, Nancy Young wrote:

> Shootings aren't the only things that happen where police
> are falsely accused. If you're a cop who's not doing
> something wrong, why not have proof.
>
> Everyone is carrying a camera these days, anyway.
> Too bad no one had one rolling so we don't wonder what
> happened in this case.
>

I would not doubt that there was a camera rolling there. If there was
and it reinforces what the witnesses claim to have seen it would have
surfaced. If not... we'll never see it.

On Monday, August 18, 2014 4:08:19 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-08-18 2:26 PM, Pete C. wrote:
>
> >
>
> > The one takeaway from this that nobody can argue with: All police in the
>
> > US need to have mandatory dash cams and body cams. With video evidence
>
> > everything is clearly documented good or bad.
>
> >
>
>
>
> That is an incredible invasion of privacy. I bet that most other people
>
> would not tolerate having every minute of their working day being
>
> monitored.

Workers in facilities that manufacture or store controlled substances
are monitored every second, and are subject to random searches and
polygraphing.

> That being said, I have known several cops who liked having
>
> cruiser mounted videos.

The good cops like them. Bad cops put good cops in danger. One solution
to curbing police/prosecutorial misconduct is mandatory sentences. For
example, a prosecutor who willfully conceals exonerating evidence from
defense counsel should face penalties commensurate with the crime. If
this is done in a 1st degree murder case, I don't think that 20 years w/o possibility of parole is too severe. A police officer who tampers with
evidence or commits perjury in a criminal case should also be given a
prison sentence.

Of course, the officer of the court or law is entitled to the same due
process as any other defendant. A grand jury indictment must be followed
by a guilty plea or conviction, with conviction carrying a potential
sentence that is more severe than the mandatory minimum. I ask everyone
who has commented upon this case, "Do you disagree that law enforcement
officials should be held at least as responsible for crimes as other
citizens?"

> When the complaints come in the cameras usually
>
> exonerate the cops.

They do, because most cops do not commit misconduct. Laws could be put in
place that shield officers from consequences if their misconduct does not
rise to the level of a crime, and rule out the recordings being used
against the individual officer in a civil case unless there is a grand jury
indictment. Again, I invite discussion.

Think about this; if the police were not mistrusted by the community, and
if no shots had been fired after the officer was not in immanent threat,
right now, Michael Brown would be in custody, being charged with strong-arm
robbery, failure to comply with a lawful order, resisting arrest, and
assault and battery upon a police officer, and there would be witnesses to
corroborate the facts, and Brown would have served a significant prison
sentence.

The peaceful demonstrators who are leaving before the curfew do not support
the violating of the curfew, especially now that they know that the law
enforcement officers who are enforcing the curfew are true professionals,
and that the state and federal governments take justice seriously. The past
couple of mornings, the good folks have been volunteering to help clean up
the damage done by the vandals/looters, many of whom are out-of-staters who
have motives that are not shared by the overwhelming majority of North
County Black residents who are now more confident that Jay Nixon, Eric
Holder and Claire McCaskill, all three of whom have a record as serious
prosecuting attorneys, will see that there will be no coverups or evidence
tampering.

--Bryan

On 8/18/2014 6:10 PM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
> I ask everyone
> who has commented upon this case, "Do you disagree that law enforcement
> officials should be held at least as responsible for crimes as other
> citizens?"

I ask you, do you feel tidy having bathed in the blood of this before
the truth is out?

On 2014-08-19 12:51 PM, Mayo wrote:
> On 8/18/2014 6:10 PM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
>> I ask everyone
>> who has commented upon this case, "Do you disagree that law enforcement
>> officials should be held at least as responsible for crimes as other
>> citizens?"
>
> I ask you, do you feel tidy having bathed in the blood of this before
> the truth is out?


I think that cops should be held to a higher standard. I don't know what
sort of flunkies they hire in the US, but the standards up here are very
high and training is extensive. That being said, there are some serious
questions in this case. We were given a story by the friend of the
shooting victim that painted them as a couple of innocent people who
were suddenly confronted by an abusive cop because they were jaywalking.
Then the cop supposedly tried to pull Brown into the cruiser??? That
makes no sense at all. What does make sense is that it turned out that,
unknown to the cop, Brown had just robbed a store and the witness was
his accomplice. I can understand the big bully got aggressive with the
cop and things went downhill fast.

On 8/19/2014 11:47 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-08-19 12:51 PM, Mayo wrote:
>> On 8/18/2014 6:10 PM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
>>> I ask everyone
>>> who has commented upon this case, "Do you disagree that law enforcement
>>> officials should be held at least as responsible for crimes as other
>>> citizens?"
>>
>> I ask you, do you feel tidy having bathed in the blood of this before
>> the truth is out?
>
>
> I think that cops should be held to a higher standard. I don't know what
> sort of flunkies they hire in the US, but the standards up here are very
> high and training is extensive. That being said, there are some serious
> questions in this case. We were given a story by the friend of the
> shooting victim that painted them as a couple of innocent people who
> were suddenly confronted by an abusive cop because they were jaywalking.
> Then the cop supposedly tried to pull Brown into the cruiser??? That
> makes no sense at all. What does make sense is that it turned out that,
> unknown to the cop, Brown had just robbed a store and the witness was
> his accomplice. I can understand the big bully got aggressive with the
> cop and things went downhill fast.

That's a logical progression of thought, but as yet still an unproven one.

On 8/20/2014 7:48 AM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 19, 2014 12:47:10 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2014-08-19 12:51 PM, Mayo wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/18/2014 6:10 PM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
>>
>>>> I ask everyone
>>
>>>> who has commented upon this case, "Do you disagree that law enforcement
>>
>>>> officials should be held at least as responsible for crimes as other
>>
>>>> citizens?"
>>
>>>
>>
>>> I ask you, do you feel tidy having bathed in the blood of this before
>>
>>> the truth is out?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I think that cops should be held to a higher standard. I don't know what
>>
>> sort of flunkies they hire in the US, but the standards up here are very
>>
>> high and training is extensive. That being said, there are some serious
>>
>> questions in this case. We were given a story by the friend of the
>>
>> shooting victim that painted them as a couple of innocent people who
>>
>> were suddenly confronted by an abusive cop because they were jaywalking.
>>
>> Then the cop supposedly tried to pull Brown into the cruiser??? That
>>
>> makes no sense at all. What does make sense is that it turned out that,
>>
>> unknown to the cop, Brown had just robbed a store and the witness was
>>
>> his accomplice. I can understand the big bully got aggressive with the
>>
>> cop and things went downhill fast.
>
> I recently learned that the shooter lives in lily White Crestwood, where
> Kuthe and I both grew up.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crestwood,_Missouri
>
> --Bryan
>
And you had to pejoratively label it as "lily White"?

Your personal biases are way out in front of you again.

You may not get this, but the way to eliminate racism is to stop seeing
colors as the identifying traits in a given demographic.

On 2014-08-20 10:56 AM, Mayo wrote:

>>
> And you had to pejoratively label it as "lily White"?

I confess. I had to Google that to see if there was a perjorative label
in that. I always thought that it simply referred to the colour of
lilies. I didn't realize that it was a political movement against civil
rights.
>
> Your personal biases are way out in front of you again.
>
> You may not get this, but the way to eliminate racism is to stop seeing
> colors as the identifying traits in a given demographic.

It would be nice of people of all races were equally colour blind. I
have run into too many blacks and natives who are quick to blame all
their problems on racism. I have had black people whine that I only
pulled them over because they were black, when the fact is that there
was another reason they were pulled over and I didn't even know they
were black at the time.

On 8/20/2014 9:58 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-08-20 10:56 AM, Mayo wrote:
>
>>>
>> And you had to pejoratively label it as "lily White"?
>
> I confess. I had to Google that to see if there was a perjorative label
> in that. I always thought that it simply referred to the colour of
> lilies. I didn't realize that it was a political movement against civil
> rights.

Kudos to you for doing your homework!

And shame on Bryan or again demonstrating his biases.

>> Your personal biases are way out in front of you again.
>>
>> You may not get this, but the way to eliminate racism is to stop seeing
>> colors as the identifying traits in a given demographic.
>
> It would be nice of people of all races were equally colour blind. I
> have run into too many blacks and natives who are quick to blame all
> their problems on racism. I have had black people whine that I only
> pulled them over because they were black, when the fact is that there
> was another reason they were pulled over and I didn't even know they
> were black at the time.

Yeah, funny thing that - a bad tail light or expired license plate are
generally seen from behind, where the skin color of the driver is
anything but obvious.

On 2014-08-20 12:14 PM, Mayo wrote:
> On 8/20/2014 9:58 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2014-08-20 10:56 AM, Mayo wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>> And you had to pejoratively label it as "lily White"?
>>
>> I confess. I had to Google that to see if there was a perjorative label
>> in that. I always thought that it simply referred to the colour of
>> lilies. I didn't realize that it was a political movement against civil
>> rights.
>
> Kudos to you for doing your homework!
>
> And shame on Bryan or again demonstrating his biases.
>
>>> Your personal biases are way out in front of you again.
>>>
>>> You may not get this, but the way to eliminate racism is to stop seeing
>>> colors as the identifying traits in a given demographic.
>>
>> It would be nice of people of all races were equally colour blind. I
>> have run into too many blacks and natives who are quick to blame all
>> their problems on racism. I have had black people whine that I only
>> pulled them over because they were black, when the fact is that there
>> was another reason they were pulled over and I didn't even know they
>> were black at the time.
>
> Yeah, funny thing that - a bad tail light or expired license plate are
> generally seen from behind, where the skin color of the driver is
> anything but obvious.
>

In one case, there was a flat tire. The driver may or may not have been
aware of it but it is a dangerous and out of service condition. In
another, the company was being audited and we were asked for contact
reports. Every vehicle from that company was being checked that week.

Funny thing about that guy was that he whined that he was only pulled
over because he was black. The last log book entry was showing him
going off duty in Richmond VA 13 hours earlier That was more than 9
hours away by car, and this was a truck. He picked up his load there, so
there is loading time, customs clearance, meal breaks. He was charged
for failing to maintain his log, put out of service for hours of work
violations and told to catch up his log and I stressed that he had to
show himself at that location in case his logs were audited. He said he
could not do that because the company would fine him. I pointed out that
I had already fined him and if he got audited there would be more charges.

Curiously, he had a passenger who he did not know. I would have counted
him as a co driver if he had a license to show. Nope. Not a driver. The
driver didn't even know his name. That is a typical scenerio for drug
running, to have someone babysit the load.

I faxed the information to the auditor who went in the next day. The
guy's log showed him off duty in VA at the same time I laid a charge
here. He ended up with several more charges against him from the
auditors, and I doubt they were even aware of his race. His information
would have been a printout from his driver license record.
Yet, he was adamant it was about race.

On 8/20/2014 11:28 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-08-20 12:14 PM, Mayo wrote:
>> On 8/20/2014 9:58 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2014-08-20 10:56 AM, Mayo wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>> And you had to pejoratively label it as "lily White"?
>>>
>>> I confess. I had to Google that to see if there was a perjorative label
>>> in that. I always thought that it simply referred to the colour of
>>> lilies. I didn't realize that it was a political movement against civil
>>> rights.
>>
>> Kudos to you for doing your homework!
>>
>> And shame on Bryan or again demonstrating his biases.
>>
>>>> Your personal biases are way out in front of you again.
>>>>
>>>> You may not get this, but the way to eliminate racism is to stop seeing
>>>> colors as the identifying traits in a given demographic.
>>>
>>> It would be nice of people of all races were equally colour blind. I
>>> have run into too many blacks and natives who are quick to blame all
>>> their problems on racism. I have had black people whine that I only
>>> pulled them over because they were black, when the fact is that there
>>> was another reason they were pulled over and I didn't even know they
>>> were black at the time.
>>
>> Yeah, funny thing that - a bad tail light or expired license plate are
>> generally seen from behind, where the skin color of the driver is
>> anything but obvious.
>>
>
> In one case, there was a flat tire. The driver may or may not have been
> aware of it but it is a dangerous and out of service condition. In
> another, the company was being audited and we were asked for contact
> reports. Every vehicle from that company was being checked that week.
>
> Funny thing about that guy was that he whined that he was only pulled
> over because he was black. The last log book entry was showing him
> going off duty in Richmond VA 13 hours earlier That was more than 9
> hours away by car, and this was a truck. He picked up his load there, so
> there is loading time, customs clearance, meal breaks. He was charged
> for failing to maintain his log, put out of service for hours of work
> violations and told to catch up his log and I stressed that he had to
> show himself at that location in case his logs were audited. He said he
> could not do that because the company would fine him. I pointed out that
> I had already fined him and if he got audited there would be more charges.
>
> Curiously, he had a passenger who he did not know. I would have counted
> him as a co driver if he had a license to show. Nope. Not a driver. The
> driver didn't even know his name. That is a typical scenerio for drug
> running, to have someone babysit the load.
>
> I faxed the information to the auditor who went in the next day. The
> guy's log showed him off duty in VA at the same time I laid a charge
> here. He ended up with several more charges against him from the
> auditors, and I doubt they were even aware of his race. His information
> would have been a printout from his driver license record.
> Yet, he was adamant it was about race.

That's a gnarly trucker tale for sure.

If he had a Qualcom or other satellite tracking device it would have
been trivially easy to subpoena those records for any trial.

Hopefully he learned his lesson or the company did and axed him.

Race is a stupid card to play, but he sounds like a stupid guy.

On Wed, 20 Aug 2014 06:48:46 -0700 (PDT), Bryan-TGWWW
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, August 19, 2014 12:47:10 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2014-08-19 12:51 PM, Mayo wrote:
>>
>> > On 8/18/2014 6:10 PM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
>>
>> >> I ask everyone
>>
>> >> who has commented upon this case, "Do you disagree that law enforcement
>>
>> >> officials should be held at least as responsible for crimes as other
>>
>> >> citizens?"
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I ask you, do you feel tidy having bathed in the blood of this before
>>
>> > the truth is out?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I think that cops should be held to a higher standard. I don't know what
>>
>> sort of flunkies they hire in the US, but the standards up here are very
>>
>> high and training is extensive. That being said, there are some serious
>>
>> questions in this case. We were given a story by the friend of the
>>
>> shooting victim that painted them as a couple of innocent people who
>>
>> were suddenly confronted by an abusive cop because they were jaywalking.
>>
>> Then the cop supposedly tried to pull Brown into the cruiser??? That
>>
>> makes no sense at all. What does make sense is that it turned out that,
>>
>> unknown to the cop, Brown had just robbed a store and the witness was
>>
>> his accomplice. I can understand the big bully got aggressive with the
>>
>> cop and things went downhill fast.
>
>I recently learned that the shooter lives in lily White Crestwood, where
>Kuthe and I both grew up.
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crestwood,_Missouri

Are you admitting yoose two faggots are racists?

My initial reaction was that the cop murdered Brown; the first shot may
have been justified, but then he executed him because he was ****ed
about getting punched in the face.

Every day, the evidence (what little there is) points more and more to a
justified self-defense shooting. Plausible scenario: cop stops Brown
for jaywalking and doesn't know anything about the robbery. Kid thinks
he is being stopped for the robbery and attacks the cop (who's thinking
"WTF?!?") Cop fires gun in the car duringthe struggle and may or may
not have hit anything. Brown and his buddy start running away, cop gets
out of the car, Brown turns around and tries to "bum rush" the cop; that
didn't work out so well for him.

Either way, race had little if anything to do with it. But that doesn't
fit the narrative everybody wants.

I like the way they are showing that pic of Brown at about 14 y.o. where
he kind of looks like Gary Coleman (rather than a 6ft plus 300 lb
offensive lineman)

The police haven't done themselves any favors by targeting people in
their own backyards and journalists, while ignoring looters and rioters.
Also walking thru the crowds pointing AR-15's at everybody while
hollering "**** you" is just *trying* to incite a riot.

It's hard to find anybody to root for here. I could /almost/ support
that black state trooper commander that the governor brought in. He did
a good job of deescalating the crisis, but he needs to take a harder
stance against the looters. Richard Daley got that one right years ago,
"shoot to kill arsonists, shoot to main looters".

Bob

On Wed, 20 Aug 2014 18:47:54 -0500, zxcvbob >
wrote:

> My initial reaction was that the cop murdered Brown; the first shot may
> have been justified, but then he executed him because he was ****ed
> about getting punched in the face.
>
> Every day, the evidence (what little there is) points more and more to a
> justified self-defense shooting. Plausible scenario: cop stops Brown
> for jaywalking and doesn't know anything about the robbery. Kid thinks
> he is being stopped for the robbery and attacks the cop (who's thinking
> "WTF?!?") Cop fires gun in the car duringthe struggle and may or may
> not have hit anything. Brown and his buddy start running away, cop gets
> out of the car, Brown turns around and tries to "bum rush" the cop; that
> didn't work out so well for him.
>
> Either way, race had little if anything to do with it. But that doesn't
> fit the narrative everybody wants.
>
> I like the way they are showing that pic of Brown at about 14 y.o. where
> he kind of looks like Gary Coleman (rather than a 6ft plus 300 lb
> offensive lineman)
>
> The police haven't done themselves any favors by targeting people in
> their own backyards and journalists, while ignoring looters and rioters.
> Also walking thru the crowds pointing AR-15's at everybody while
> hollering "**** you" is just *trying* to incite a riot.

You've pretty much summed up my attitude too.
>
> It's hard to find anybody to root for here. I could /almost/ support
> that black state trooper commander that the governor brought in. He did
> a good job of deescalating the crisis, but he needs to take a harder
> stance against the looters. Richard Daley got that one right years ago,
> "shoot to kill arsonists, shoot to main looters".
>
> Bob


--

Never trust a dog to watch your food.

On 2014-08-20 7:47 PM, zxcvbob wrote:
> My initial reaction was that the cop murdered Brown; the first shot may
> have been justified, but then he executed him because he was ****ed
> about getting punched in the face.
>
> Every day, the evidence (what little there is) points more and more to a
> justified self-defense shooting. Plausible scenario: cop stops Brown
> for jaywalking and doesn't know anything about the robbery. Kid thinks
> he is being stopped for the robbery and attacks the cop (who's thinking
> "WTF?!?") Cop fires gun in the car duringthe struggle and may or may
> not have hit anything. Brown and his buddy start running away, cop gets
> out of the car, Brown turns around and tries to "bum rush" the cop; that
> didn't work out so well for him.

That was the sort of thing I pictured happening. It made no sense for
the cop to to pull him into the car, that just didn't make sense. We
didn't know at first that the friend who witnessed the shooting had
minutes earlier been an accomplice to a robbery. The kid bullied the
store owner, so it is not much of a stretch to accept that he might have
tried to bully the cop too. What he have learned is that this
eyewitness, who ran away but saw everything has zero credibility.



> Either way, race had little if anything to do with it. But that doesn't
> fit the narrative everybody wants.


Everyone? There are people will want to believe that the cops are always
wrong. There are some who will believe that all white cops are racist. I
see this one being pretty well split along racial lines. African
Americans see it as a racial issues and, like OJ Simpson, but others are
starting to question what really happened.



>

On 8/21/2014 6:17 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-08-20 7:47 PM, zxcvbob wrote:
>> My initial reaction was that the cop murdered Brown; the first shot may
>> have been justified, but then he executed him because he was ****ed
>> about getting punched in the face.
>>
>> Every day, the evidence (what little there is) points more and more to a
>> justified self-defense shooting. Plausible scenario: cop stops Brown
>> for jaywalking and doesn't know anything about the robbery. Kid thinks
>> he is being stopped for the robbery and attacks the cop (who's thinking
>> "WTF?!?") Cop fires gun in the car duringthe struggle and may or may
>> not have hit anything. Brown and his buddy start running away, cop gets
>> out of the car, Brown turns around and tries to "bum rush" the cop; that
>> didn't work out so well for him.
>
> That was the sort of thing I pictured happening. It made no sense for
> the cop to to pull him into the car, that just didn't make sense. We
> didn't know at first that the friend who witnessed the shooting had
> minutes earlier been an accomplice to a robbery. The kid bullied the
> store owner, so it is not much of a stretch to accept that he might have
> tried to bully the cop too. What he have learned is that this
> eyewitness, who ran away but saw everything has zero credibility.
>
>
>
>> Either way, race had little if anything to do with it. But that doesn't
>> fit the narrative everybody wants.
>
>
> Everyone? There are people will want to believe that the cops are always
> wrong. There are some who will believe that all white cops are racist. I
> see this one being pretty well split along racial lines. African
> Americans see it as a racial issues and, like OJ Simpson, but others are
> starting to question what really happened.

You continue to offer dispassionate and rational analysis of this mess.

James Silverton > wrote in
:

> I did not see black people very often in the seaport in
> Northumberland, England where I spent the war years. Mostly,
> the rather patronizing term "darkie" was used and I don't
> remember disparaging terms for European mainlanders. We'd see
> French sailors sometimes since the town was a submarine base.
> Come to think of it, we ate marmalade which came in jars with
> a bit racist "Gollywog" stickers but I don't remember
> associating them with people.

Hmmm...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/150500...1_label300.jpg

Really?

--

Socialism never took root in America because the
poor there see themselves not as an exploited
proletariat but as temporarily embarassed
millionaires. - John Steinbeck

"Michel Boucher" > wrote in message
...
> James Silverton > wrote in
> :
>
>> I did not see black people very often in the seaport in
>> Northumberland, England where I spent the war years. Mostly,
>> the rather patronizing term "darkie" was used and I don't
>> remember disparaging terms for European mainlanders. We'd see
>> French sailors sometimes since the town was a submarine base.
>> Come to think of it, we ate marmalade which came in jars with
>> a bit racist "Gollywog" stickers but I don't remember
>> associating them with people.
>
> Hmmm...
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/150500...1_label300.jpg
>
> Really?

Yes, really. It was a child's doll and it was never connected to black
people because we never saw any.

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On Thursday, August 21, 2014 4:33:15 PM UTC-5, Ophelia wrote:
> "Michel Boucher" > wrote in message
>
>
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/150500...1_label300.jpg
>
> >
>
> > Really?
>
>
>
> Yes, really. It was a child's doll and it was never connected to black
>
> people because we never saw any.
>
I guess that's where the phrase, "token Black" came from <ducking>.

--Bryan

On 8/21/2014 2:58 PM, Michel Boucher wrote:
> James Silverton > wrote in
> :
>
>> I did not see black people very often in the seaport in
>> Northumberland, England where I spent the war years. Mostly,
>> the rather patronizing term "darkie" was used and I don't
>> remember disparaging terms for European mainlanders. We'd see
>> French sailors sometimes since the town was a submarine base.
>> Come to think of it, we ate marmalade which came in jars with
>> a bit racist "Gollywog" stickers but I don't remember
>> associating them with people.
>
> Hmmm...
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/150500...1_label300.jpg
>
> Really?
>


"Token"???

Sheesh.

On Thursday, August 21, 2014 5:04:08 PM UTC-5, Mayo wrote:
> On 8/21/2014 2:58 PM, Michel Boucher wrote:
>
> > James Silverton > wrote in
>
> > :
>
> >
>
> >> I did not see black people very often in the seaport in
>
> >> Northumberland, England where I spent the war years. Mostly,
>
> >> the rather patronizing term "darkie" was used and I don't
>
> >> remember disparaging terms for European mainlanders. We'd see
>
> >> French sailors sometimes since the town was a submarine base.
>
> >> Come to think of it, we ate marmalade which came in jars with
>
> >> a bit racist "Gollywog" stickers but I don't remember
>
> >> associating them with people.
>
> >
>
> > Hmmm...
>
> >
>
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/150500...1_label300.jpg
>
> >
>
> > Really?
>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> "Token"???
>
>
>
> Sheesh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...#Token_Bl ack

--Bryan

On 8/21/2014 3:55 PM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
> On Thursday, August 21, 2014 4:33:15 PM UTC-5, Ophelia wrote:
>> "Michel Boucher" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/150500...1_label300.jpg
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Really?
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, really. It was a child's doll and it was never connected to black
>>
>> people because we never saw any.
>>
> I guess that's where the phrase, "token Black" came from <ducking>.
>
> --Bryan
>

Keep it up bigot, I doubt very many here haven't been able to color in
the lines on what your act is all about...

On 8/21/2014 4:18 PM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
> On Thursday, August 21, 2014 5:04:08 PM UTC-5, Mayo wrote:
>> On 8/21/2014 2:58 PM, Michel Boucher wrote:
>>
>>> James Silverton > wrote in
>>
>>> :
>>
>>>
>>
>>>> I did not see black people very often in the seaport in
>>
>>>> Northumberland, England where I spent the war years. Mostly,
>>
>>>> the rather patronizing term "darkie" was used and I don't
>>
>>>> remember disparaging terms for European mainlanders. We'd see
>>
>>>> French sailors sometimes since the town was a submarine base.
>>
>>>> Come to think of it, we ate marmalade which came in jars with
>>
>>>> a bit racist "Gollywog" stickers but I don't remember
>>
>>>> associating them with people.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Hmmm...
>>
>>>
>>
>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/150500...1_label300.jpg
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Really?
>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Token"???
>>
>>
>>
>> Sheesh.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...#Token_Bl ack
>
> --Bryan
>

Cartoon racism now?

Well, at least your bigotry has sought out the underground parking level
it belongs in.

Mayo > wrote in :

> Cartoon racism now?

This from someone who posts as a troll? Really?

--

Socialism never took root in America because the
poor there see themselves not as an exploited
proletariat but as temporarily embarassed
millionaires. - John Steinbeck

On 8/21/2014 4:51 PM, Michel Boucher wrote:
> Mayo > wrote in :
>
>> Cartoon racism now?
>
> This from someone who posts as a troll? Really?
>

This from someone who supports a troll, seriously?

On Thu, 21 Aug 2014 08:17:34 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2014-08-20 7:47 PM, zxcvbob wrote:
>> My initial reaction was that the cop murdered Brown; the first shot may
>> have been justified, but then he executed him because he was ****ed
>> about getting punched in the face.
>>
>> Every day, the evidence (what little there is) points more and more to a
>> justified self-defense shooting. Plausible scenario: cop stops Brown
>> for jaywalking and doesn't know anything about the robbery. Kid thinks
>> he is being stopped for the robbery and attacks the cop (who's thinking
>> "WTF?!?") Cop fires gun in the car duringthe struggle and may or may
>> not have hit anything. Brown and his buddy start running away, cop gets
>> out of the car, Brown turns around and tries to "bum rush" the cop; that
>> didn't work out so well for him.
>
>That was the sort of thing I pictured happening. It made no sense for
>the cop to to pull him into the car, that just didn't make sense. We
>didn't know at first that the friend who witnessed the shooting had
>minutes earlier been an accomplice to a robbery. The kid bullied the
>store owner, so it is not much of a stretch to accept that he might have
>tried to bully the cop too. What he have learned is that this
>eyewitness, who ran away but saw everything has zero credibility.
>
>
>
>> Either way, race had little if anything to do with it. But that doesn't
>> fit the narrative everybody wants.
>
>
>Everyone? There are people will want to believe that the cops are always
>wrong. There are some who will believe that all white cops are racist. I
>see this one being pretty well split along racial lines. African
>Americans see it as a racial issues and, like OJ Simpson, but others are
>starting to question what really happened.
>
>
>
>>

Interesting the way the forefathers of America "rigged" our legal
system to bring criminals before "a jury of their peers". This Grand
Jury was selected before all this happened...if it's an all black jury
will the cop be indicted? If there is one white on the jury will it be
a hung jury? If it's an all white jury will they drop all charges?

I sat on a jury in a drunk driving case. The Cop and the Sherriff
tested the guy who was certified drunk driving down the ditch beside
the road after crashing into another car at 2am. I thought me and the
other 11 jurors would be out of the deliberation room in five minutes.
Oh hell no...it just so happened that three of the jurors hated cops!
After two days of deliberations the judge declared a hung jury because
nine of us were not going to let this drunk driver off the hook!

William

On Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:21:17 PM UTC-5, William wrote:
>
>
> Interesting the way the forefathers of America "rigged" our legal
>
> system to bring criminals before "a jury of their peers". This Grand
>
> Jury was selected before all this happened...if it's an all black jury
>
> will the cop be indicted? If there is one white on the jury will it be
>
> a hung jury? If it's an all white jury will they drop all charges?
>
>
>
> I sat on a jury in a drunk driving case. The Cop and the Sherriff
>
> tested the guy who was certified drunk driving down the ditch beside
>
> the road after crashing into another car at 2am. I thought me and the
>
> other 11 jurors would be out of the deliberation room in five minutes.
>
> Oh hell no...it just so happened that three of the jurors hated cops!
>
> After two days of deliberations the judge declared a hung jury because
>
> nine of us were not going to let this drunk driver off the hook!
>
If you ever want to get out of jury duty, just tell the judge that you
know that cops lie. In my case, I'd be telling the truth.
>
> William

--Bryan

BwrrrryanW wrote:
>
>If you ever want to get out of jury duty, just tell the judge that you
>know that cops lie. In my case, I'd be telling the truth.

Everyone lies about something, Bwrrrryan.

Mayo > wrote in :

>> This from someone who posts as a troll? Really?
>
> This from someone who supports a troll, seriously?

*plonk*

--

Socialism never took root in America because the
poor there see themselves not as an exploited
proletariat but as temporarily embarassed
millionaires. - John Steinbeck

On Friday, August 22, 2014 11:04:27 AM UTC-5, Mayo wrote:
>
>
> You are so transparent.

And you are as worthless as that wino-beatoff that sits on a grocery shelf
claiming to be mayonnaise.

--Bryan

On 8/21/2014 8:21 PM, William wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Aug 2014 08:17:34 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2014-08-20 7:47 PM, zxcvbob wrote:
>>> My initial reaction was that the cop murdered Brown; the first shot may
>>> have been justified, but then he executed him because he was ****ed
>>> about getting punched in the face.
>>>
>>> Every day, the evidence (what little there is) points more and more to a
>>> justified self-defense shooting. Plausible scenario: cop stops Brown
>>> for jaywalking and doesn't know anything about the robbery. Kid thinks
>>> he is being stopped for the robbery and attacks the cop (who's thinking
>>> "WTF?!?") Cop fires gun in the car duringthe struggle and may or may
>>> not have hit anything. Brown and his buddy start running away, cop gets
>>> out of the car, Brown turns around and tries to "bum rush" the cop; that
>>> didn't work out so well for him.
>>
>> That was the sort of thing I pictured happening. It made no sense for
>> the cop to to pull him into the car, that just didn't make sense. We
>> didn't know at first that the friend who witnessed the shooting had
>> minutes earlier been an accomplice to a robbery. The kid bullied the
>> store owner, so it is not much of a stretch to accept that he might have
>> tried to bully the cop too. What he have learned is that this
>> eyewitness, who ran away but saw everything has zero credibility.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Either way, race had little if anything to do with it. But that doesn't
>>> fit the narrative everybody wants.
>>
>>
>> Everyone? There are people will want to believe that the cops are always
>> wrong. There are some who will believe that all white cops are racist. I
>> see this one being pretty well split along racial lines. African
>> Americans see it as a racial issues and, like OJ Simpson, but others are
>> starting to question what really happened.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>
> Interesting the way the forefathers of America "rigged" our legal
> system to bring criminals before "a jury of their peers". This Grand
> Jury was selected before all this happened...if it's an all black jury
> will the cop be indicted? If there is one white on the jury will it be
> a hung jury? If it's an all white jury will they drop all charges?
>
> I sat on a jury in a drunk driving case. The Cop and the Sherriff
> tested the guy who was certified drunk driving down the ditch beside
> the road after crashing into another car at 2am. I thought me and the
> other 11 jurors would be out of the deliberation room in five minutes.
> Oh hell no...it just so happened that three of the jurors hated cops!
> After two days of deliberations the judge declared a hung jury because
> nine of us were not going to let this drunk driver off the hook!
>
> William
>

That cop-hating 'tude is just what Bryan and Marty thrive on.

On 8/22/2014 5:06 AM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
> On Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:21:17 PM UTC-5, William wrote:
>>
>>
>> Interesting the way the forefathers of America "rigged" our legal
>>
>> system to bring criminals before "a jury of their peers". This Grand
>>
>> Jury was selected before all this happened...if it's an all black jury
>>
>> will the cop be indicted? If there is one white on the jury will it be
>>
>> a hung jury? If it's an all white jury will they drop all charges?
>>
>>
>>
>> I sat on a jury in a drunk driving case. The Cop and the Sherriff
>>
>> tested the guy who was certified drunk driving down the ditch beside
>>
>> the road after crashing into another car at 2am. I thought me and the
>>
>> other 11 jurors would be out of the deliberation room in five minutes.
>>
>> Oh hell no...it just so happened that three of the jurors hated cops!
>>
>> After two days of deliberations the judge declared a hung jury because
>>
>> nine of us were not going to let this drunk driver off the hook!
>>
> If you ever want to get out of jury duty, just tell the judge that you
> know that cops lie. In my case, I'd be telling the truth.

You couldn't "tell the truth" if you had the great good fortune to
inadvertently happen upon it!

On 8/22/2014 8:08 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> BwrrrryanW wrote:
>>
>> If you ever want to get out of jury duty, just tell the judge that you
>> know that cops lie. In my case, I'd be telling the truth.
>
> Everyone lies about something, Bwrrrryan.
>
You'd stand a better chance of hand-setting the bead on a truck tire
than trying to re-balance the wobble in his poisoned mind.

On 8/22/2014 8:14 AM, Michel Boucher wrote:
> Mayo > wrote in :
>
>>> This from someone who posts as a troll? Really?
>>
>> This from someone who supports a troll, seriously?
>
> *plonk*
>
Oh drat!

That sure smarted, not...lol...

Adieu.

On 8/22/2014 10:12 AM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
> On Friday, August 22, 2014 11:04:27 AM UTC-5, Mayo wrote:
>>
>>
>> You are so transparent.
>
> And you are as worthless as that wino-beatoff that sits on a grocery shelf
> claiming to be mayonnaise.
>
> --Bryan
>
Oh boy, a snip and drive-by is it?

How close do you live to Ferguson again?