On 8/17/2014 8:59 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 8/17/2014 12:54 AM, Julie Bove wrote:


>>
>> I am just the opposite. If there were people around to talk to, I'd
>> talk to them and not read the book. Reading is only something I do to
>> fill time. Or if I have a need to read the specific material. I would
>> never read a book at a restaurant though. I find that to be rude. I
>> would do it at a coffee shop though. Lots of people do that.
>
> Why is my sitting by myself reading a book in a restaurant rude? I
> don't ignore the server when they come by to see what I want or ask if
> I'd like my coffee refilled. I'd rather read than sit and stare off
> into space or try to strike up conversations with strangers at the next
> table. I'm there to eat, not to socialize.
>
> Jill

It is not rude. Rare that I'd want to socialize with random strangers
at dinner. The table is mine for the duration of the meal so if I want
to read, I'm going to read.

An exception is a restaurant in Boston, the "No Name" where you sit
mostly at picnic tables with whoever happens to fit. It is BYOB and
often strangers will share a beer from a six-pack with newcomers that
don't know the policies. Great seafood at really great prices.

It has no outside sign and is on a fishing pier where you can watch the
boats unloading what you may be eating.

On 8/17/2014 10:40 AM, Gary wrote:
> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 8/16/2014 1:32 PM, Tara wrote:
>>>> I love having time to myself. I like to take myself out to lunch when I
>>>> am shopping. I bring a book and enjoy some peace.
>>>>
>>>> Tara
>>>>
>>> Same here, Tara. I'd take a book and have a nice quiet lunch where I
>>> didn't have to fill the void with pointless chatter or shop talk with
>>> co-workers. Time to recharge my batteries. I really don't know why
>>> there is a stigma attached to eating alone. It's not something shameful,
>>> as the topic of the post suggests.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> I am just the opposite. If there were people around to talk to, I'd talk to
>> them and not read the book. Reading is only something I do to fill time.
>> Or if I have a need to read the specific material. I would never read a
>> book at a restaurant though. I find that to be rude. I would do it at a
>> coffee shop though. Lots of people do that.
>
> As I've said before...eating alone in a restaurant is just odd to me.
> I've never done it and I would never do that. It's not being ashamed.
> If I eat restaurant food alone, I'll get take out or delivery and eat
> it at home. Better to read a book or watch tv in the comfort of your
> own home than sitting at a table alone to eat....boring.
>
> G.
>
I'm sure you find it odd, but I don't find my own company boring. I
sometimes get take-out from the Club, or another couple of restaurants
on Saint Helena. But no one in this area offers restaurant delivery. I
couldn't even order a pizza (if I were so inclined).

Jill

On 8/17/2014 10:43 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/17/2014 8:59 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 8/17/2014 12:54 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>> I am just the opposite. If there were people around to talk to, I'd
>>> talk to them and not read the book. Reading is only something I do to
>>> fill time. Or if I have a need to read the specific material. I would
>>> never read a book at a restaurant though. I find that to be rude. I
>>> would do it at a coffee shop though. Lots of people do that.
>>
>> Why is my sitting by myself reading a book in a restaurant rude? I
>> don't ignore the server when they come by to see what I want or ask if
>> I'd like my coffee refilled. I'd rather read than sit and stare off
>> into space or try to strike up conversations with strangers at the next
>> table. I'm there to eat, not to socialize.
>>
>> Jill
>
> It is not rude. Rare that I'd want to socialize with random strangers
> at dinner. The table is mine for the duration of the meal so if I want
> to read, I'm going to read.
>
Exactly. There's nothing rude about reading. Some people like to stare
at televisions in restaurants. Sorry, that's not me.

> An exception is a restaurant in Boston, the "No Name" where you sit
> mostly at picnic tables with whoever happens to fit. It is BYOB and
> often strangers will share a beer from a six-pack with newcomers that
> don't know the policies. Great seafood at really great prices.
>
I've only been to Boston (actually Waltham) once. It was a business
trip so yes, I dined alone at the restaurant next to the hotel. I
didn't feel pressured to socialize with anyone while having dinner.
Great clam chowder! I probably wouldn't have enjoyed sitting at a
picnic table with people sharing brewskies.

> It has no outside sign and is on a fishing pier where you can watch the
> boats unloading what you may be eating.

I like eating at Dockside on Lady's Island. You can see the shrimp
boats out on the water. Some customers arrive via boat, too.

The Foolish Frog on Saint Helena backs up to a marsh. They have some
really good local food. And no, I don't have a problem going there by
myself to have a meal. :-D

Jill

"Tara" wrote in message
...

I love having time to myself. I like to take myself out to lunch when I
am shopping. I bring a book and enjoy some peace.

Tara

~~~~~~~
Same here. I go out with friends more often than I eat alone, but I live
alone and sometimes feel like going out for a meal when I have not made any
plans. On those occasions, I take my Kindle and read while I am waiting for
my meal to be served. I don't feel lonely and I don't feel impatient if it
takes awhile for the meal to arrive. On the other hand, there was an
occasion a number of years ago when I was embarrassed. I had recently moved
to town and had not made many friends. I also did not like cooking, so I
would often take a book (no Kindles in those days) and eat alone. I was
perfectly comfortable until sometime later when I met a woman who used to be
a waitress at the restaurant I often used. She told me she "used to feel so
sorry for me to see me sitting alone." For the first time, that made me
feel lonely and embarrassed. I also felt somewhat resentful toward her.
Fortunately, that feeling passed, but I think of it whenever I see her.

MaryL

"Dave Smith" wrote in message news
On 2014-08-16 1:52 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 8/16/2014 1:32 PM, Tara wrote:
>> I love having time to myself. I like to take myself out to lunch when I
>> am shopping. I bring a book and enjoy some peace.
>>
>> Tara
>>
> Same here, Tara. I'd take a book and have a nice quiet lunch where I
> didn't have to fill the void with pointless chatter or shop talk with
> co-workers. Time to recharge my batteries. I really don't know why
> there is a stigma attached to eating alone. It's not something
> shameful, as the topic of the post suggests.


I was mobile at work. I never took a lunch because I didn't want it
sitting in a hot car all day, and didn't want to eat in a car. I had an
expense account so I went to restaurants. If any of my co-workers were
in the area we would meet at a restaurant.Otherwise, I would go on my
own. I took a newspaper and read the news or did the crossword.

~~~~~~~
That's the one time when I liked to eat lunch at my desk. I taught at a
university, so we did not have expense accounts. However, I had a private
office and there was a small refrigerator in the department office, so I
liked to eat my lunch in my office. I would close the office door and
relax, and I did not have to feel "rushed" to get from one class to another
(1 hour between classes, and a lot of that time would otherwise have been
taken up getting to and from some place to eat).

MaryL

On 8/17/2014 6:48 AM, Gary wrote:
> Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>> The death/murder usually isn't justified. I prefer the
>> books where the bulk of the story builds up the character of a
>> monumental prick (or bitch) and then at the end they die a ironically
>> appropriate horrific death.
>>
>> Not that I have ever read any books like this, if they even exist, but
>> I like rooting for a victim - somebody ho really needing killing :-)
>
> If you've ever seen them or not, I'll bet you would like the old
> Charles Bronson movies, "Death Wish, (1974) plus later sequels.
>
> "A New York City architect becomes a one-man vigilante squad after
> his wife is murdered by street punks in which he randomly goes out
> and kills would-be muggerd on the mean streets after dark."
>
> Street justice is illegal but not a bad thing, imo.
>
> G.
>

My first husband took me to the drive-in to see "Death Wish" I had my
eyes closed during more than half of that movie. I just can't tolerate
violence, not even to rad about it in a book.

Right now I'm editing a manuscript where there is a proliferation f
slice and dice warrior stuff. Sometimes I have to just get up from the
computer as it becomes intolerable.

So far the editing job has produced enough money to cover the washer
repairs and the bill for the unfixable water softener. Hoping I can
keep the next check.

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 8/17/2014 7:45 AM, Janet wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 16:48:56 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>>> Women reading books at restaurants labels you as a unsocialble, homely
>>> spinster.
>
> You've just labelled yourself as one of those no-hoper men so
> sexually insecure you'd only hit on an unsociable homely spinster... and
> when she turned you down, you kid yourself she must be a menstruating
> *******.
>
> Janet UK
>

In the mid to late 80's I did a lot of business travel. Most of the
hotels I stayed at had a restaurant where I would have dinner alone,
with a book. I can't tell you how many times I was annoyed by
"gentlemen" who thought I was interested in their attentions.

I'm a gregarious person, and if I wanted company, I'd sit at the bar and
nurse a drink and chat a bit, but when I was eating, I certainly didn't
want to be bothered.

I, hopefully, will be traveling again soon and alone. I'm not at all
daunted and I know I can take care of myself, but I really do resent the
attitude that certain males exhibit when they see a woman alone.

You fellows should clean up your act. You are dinosaurs!

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 8/17/2014 7:59 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 8/17/2014 12:54 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 8/16/2014 1:32 PM, Tara wrote:
>>>> I love having time to myself. I like to take myself out to lunch
>>>> when I
>>>> am shopping. I bring a book and enjoy some peace.
>>>>
>>>> Tara
>>>>
>>> Same here, Tara. I'd take a book and have a nice quiet lunch where I
>>> didn't have to fill the void with pointless chatter or shop talk with
>>> co-workers. Time to recharge my batteries. I really don't know
>>> why there is a stigma attached to eating alone. It's not something
>>> shameful, as the topic of the post suggests.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> I am just the opposite. If there were people around to talk to, I'd
>> talk to them and not read the book. Reading is only something I do to
>> fill time. Or if I have a need to read the specific material. I would
>> never read a book at a restaurant though. I find that to be rude. I
>> would do it at a coffee shop though. Lots of people do that.
>
> Why is my sitting by myself reading a book in a restaurant rude? I
> don't ignore the server when they come by to see what I want or ask if
> I'd like my coffee refilled. I'd rather read than sit and stare off
> into space or try to strike up conversations with strangers at the next
> table. I'm there to eat, not to socialize.
>
> Jill

Tell them, Jill!

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 8/17/2014 11:30 AM, Janet Wilder wrote:
> On 8/17/2014 7:45 AM, Janet wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 16:48:56 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:
>>>
>>>> Women reading books at restaurants labels you as a unsocialble, homely
>>>> spinster.
>>
>> You've just labelled yourself as one of those no-hoper men so
>> sexually insecure you'd only hit on an unsociable homely spinster... and
>> when she turned you down, you kid yourself she must be a menstruating
>> *******.
>>
>> Janet UK
>>
>
> In the mid to late 80's I did a lot of business travel. Most of the
> hotels I stayed at had a restaurant where I would have dinner alone,
> with a book. I can't tell you how many times I was annoyed by
> "gentlemen" who thought I was interested in their attentions.
>
> I'm a gregarious person, and if I wanted company, I'd sit at the bar and
> nurse a drink and chat a bit, but when I was eating, I certainly didn't
> want to be bothered.
>
> I, hopefully, will be traveling again soon and alone. I'm not at all
> daunted and I know I can take care of myself, but I really do resent the
> attitude that certain males exhibit when they see a woman alone.
>
> You fellows should clean up your act. You are dinosaurs!
>
Absolutely, Janet. A woman alone is not "she wants to be picked up".
That's so archaic.

Jill

On 8/17/2014 11:30 AM, Janet Wilder wrote:
> On 8/17/2014 7:59 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 8/17/2014 12:54 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 8/16/2014 1:32 PM, Tara wrote:
>>>>> I love having time to myself. I like to take myself out to lunch
>>>>> when I
>>>>> am shopping. I bring a book and enjoy some peace.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tara
>>>>>
>>>> Same here, Tara. I'd take a book and have a nice quiet lunch where I
>>>> didn't have to fill the void with pointless chatter or shop talk with
>>>> co-workers. Time to recharge my batteries. I really don't know
>>>> why there is a stigma attached to eating alone. It's not something
>>>> shameful, as the topic of the post suggests.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> I am just the opposite. If there were people around to talk to, I'd
>>> talk to them and not read the book. Reading is only something I do to
>>> fill time. Or if I have a need to read the specific material. I would
>>> never read a book at a restaurant though. I find that to be rude. I
>>> would do it at a coffee shop though. Lots of people do that.
>>
>> Why is my sitting by myself reading a book in a restaurant rude? I
>> don't ignore the server when they come by to see what I want or ask if
>> I'd like my coffee refilled. I'd rather read than sit and stare off
>> into space or try to strike up conversations with strangers at the next
>> table. I'm there to eat, not to socialize.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Tell them, Jill!
>
Eating out alone is just not that big a deal to me. I think you're
strong enough to know you can be by yourself in a restaurant and not
feel completely alone.

That's not to say you won't be wishing Barry was there. Of course, you
will be. But I think it's not at all strange to eat alone. It doesn't
label a person, nor should it. It's all about being comfortable in your
own skin. IMHO.

(hugs)

Jill

"MaryL" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Tara" wrote in message
> ...
>
> I love having time to myself. I like to take myself out to lunch when I
> am shopping. I bring a book and enjoy some peace.
>
> Tara
>
> ~~~~~~~
> Same here. I go out with friends more often than I eat alone, but I live
> alone and sometimes feel like going out for a meal when I have not made
> any plans. On those occasions, I take my Kindle and read while I am
> waiting for my meal to be served. I don't feel lonely and I don't feel
> impatient if it takes awhile for the meal to arrive. On the other hand,
> there was an occasion a number of years ago when I was embarrassed. I had
> recently moved to town and had not made many friends. I also did not like
> cooking, so I would often take a book (no Kindles in those days) and eat
> alone. I was perfectly comfortable until sometime later when I met a
> woman who used to be a waitress at the restaurant I often used. She told
> me she "used to feel so sorry for me to see me sitting alone." For the
> first time, that made me feel lonely and embarrassed. I also felt
> somewhat resentful toward her. Fortunately, that feeling passed, but I
> think of it whenever I see her.
>
> MaryL

I don't know why people always think that just because you happen to be
alone, you're lonely. I haven't found that to be true at all.

Cheri

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...

> Absolutely, Janet. A woman alone is not "she wants to be picked up".
> That's so archaic.
>
> Jill

Someone should clue the men into that fact. :-)

Cheri

On 8/17/2014 1:09 PM, Cheri wrote:
>
> "MaryL" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> "Tara" wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> I love having time to myself. I like to take myself out to lunch when I
>> am shopping. I bring a book and enjoy some peace.
>>
>> Tara
>>
>> ~~~~~~~
>> Same here. I go out with friends more often than I eat alone, but I
>> live alone and sometimes feel like going out for a meal when I have
>> not made any plans. On those occasions, I take my Kindle and read
>> while I am waiting for my meal to be served. I don't feel lonely and
>> I don't feel impatient if it takes awhile for the meal to arrive. On
>> the other hand, there was an occasion a number of years ago when I was
>> embarrassed. I had recently moved to town and had not made many
>> friends. I also did not like cooking, so I would often take a book
>> (no Kindles in those days) and eat alone. I was perfectly comfortable
>> until sometime later when I met a woman who used to be a waitress at
>> the restaurant I often used. She told me she "used to feel so sorry
>> for me to see me sitting alone." For the first time, that made me
>> feel lonely and embarrassed. I also felt somewhat resentful toward
>> her. Fortunately, that feeling passed, but I think of it whenever I
>> see her.
>>
>> MaryL
>
> I don't know why people always think that just because you happen to be
> alone, you're lonely. I haven't found that to be true at all.
>
> Cheri

I could surround myself with people and still be bored.

Jill

"Cheri" wrote in message ...


"MaryL" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Tara" wrote in message
> ...
>
> I love having time to myself. I like to take myself out to lunch when I
> am shopping. I bring a book and enjoy some peace.
>
> Tara
>
> ~~~~~~~
> Same here. I go out with friends more often than I eat alone, but I live
> alone and sometimes feel like going out for a meal when I have not made
> any plans. On those occasions, I take my Kindle and read while I am
> waiting for my meal to be served. I don't feel lonely and I don't feel
> impatient if it takes awhile for the meal to arrive. On the other hand,
> there was an occasion a number of years ago when I was embarrassed. I had
> recently moved to town and had not made many friends. I also did not like
> cooking, so I would often take a book (no Kindles in those days) and eat
> alone. I was perfectly comfortable until sometime later when I met a
> woman who used to be a waitress at the restaurant I often used. She told
> me she "used to feel so sorry for me to see me sitting alone." For the
> first time, that made me feel lonely and embarrassed. I also felt
> somewhat resentful toward her. Fortunately, that feeling passed, but I
> think of it whenever I see her.
>
> MaryL

I don't know why people always think that just because you happen to be
alone, you're lonely. I haven't found that to be true at all.

Cheri

~~~~~~~~~
Neither have I. In fact, this may sound selfish, but I have found that I
can do whatever I want and that is very comfortable. I have three cats that
I dearly love, and that (but not for "eating out," of course), and that has
given me a great deal of pleasure.

MaryL

> wrote in message
news
> On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 10:10:48 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>> Absolutely, Janet. A woman alone is not "she wants to be picked up".
>>> That's so archaic.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>>Someone should clue the men into that fact. :-)
>>
>>Cheri
>
> You are overlooking the fact that these days it is much more difficult
> for older men to find women who would jump at the chance of marriage
> and thereby give them a housekeeper to no doubt replace the one who
> died. I know that sounds cynical but when you have been used to free
> housekeeping...

Yes, a lot of women finally wised up to the fact that some of those single
older men are looking for a caretaker. I have seen it within my circle of
friends. One friend was involved with a man that used her for packing him
back and forth to medical appointments, cooking, and any number of things,
but he balked at taking trips, going out etc. It didn't last long and we
laugh about it now, but she was still a chump for awhile there. :-)

Cheri

"MaryL" > wrote in message
...

> Neither have I. In fact, this may sound selfish, but I have found that I
> can do whatever I want and that is very comfortable. I have three cats
> that I dearly love, and that (but not for "eating out," of course), and
> that has given me a great deal of pleasure.
>
> MaryL

I don't think it sounds selfish at all. It sounds like a good choice to me.

Cheri

On 8/17/2014 10:40 AM, Gary wrote:

>
> As I've said before...eating alone in a restaurant is just odd to me.
> I've never done it and I would never do that. It's not being ashamed.
> If I eat restaurant food alone, I'll get take out or delivery and eat
> it at home. Better to read a book or watch tv in the comfort of your
> own home than sitting at a table alone to eat....boring.
>
> G.
>

What do you do when traveling hundreds of miles from home? You never
stop for lunch?

On 17/08/2014 1:00 PM, Cheri wrote:
>
> > wrote in message
> news
>> On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 10:10:48 -0700, "Cheri" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> Absolutely, Janet. A woman alone is not "she wants to be picked up".
>>>> That's so archaic.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> Someone should clue the men into that fact. :-)
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>> You are overlooking the fact that these days it is much more difficult
>> for older men to find women who would jump at the chance of marriage
>> and thereby give them a housekeeper

That's because if they divorced, the wife got to keep the house!

to no doubt replace the one who
>> died. I know that sounds cynical but when you have been used to free
>> housekeeping...
>
> Yes, a lot of women finally wised up to the fact that some of those
> single older men are looking for a caretaker.

WHAT??
You should peruse the singles ads and you would be surprised at the
number of 60+ women who are looking for a younger, often MUCH younger
man. They don't want to look after an older guy but see no reason why
they shouldn't be looked after themselves.
Graham

On 8/17/2014 11:30 AM, Janet Wilder wrote:

>
> You fellows should clean up your act. You are dinosaurs!
>


Poor analogy. The dinosaurs are extinct because they did not pick up
female dinosaurs at restaurants and reproduce. Male humans follow their
instincts to carry on the species. You'd not exist without us.

In article >, says...

> As I've said before...eating alone in a restaurant is just odd to me.
> I've never done it and I would never do that. It's not being ashamed.
> If I eat restaurant food alone, I'll get take out or delivery and eat
> it at home. Better to read a book or watch tv in the comfort of your
> own home than sitting at a table alone to eat....boring.

Have you never travelled alone, away from home?

Janet UK

On 8/17/2014 1:26 PM, wrote:

>
> You are overlooking the fact that these days it is much more difficult
> for older men to find women who would jump at the chance of marriage
> and thereby give them a housekeeper to no doubt replace the one who
> died. I know that sounds cynical but when you have been used to free
> housekeeping...
>

You have a point but the opposite is also true. I know men that have to
fight off the women that are looking for sex and/or financial security.

In article >, says...
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > Absolutely, Janet. A woman alone is not "she wants to be picked up".
> > That's so archaic.
> >
> > Jill
>
> Someone should clue the men into that fact. :-)

Many tried, but I've yet to see a man handing out bicycles to fish.

Janet UK

On Sunday, August 17, 2014 9:40:45 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>
> As I've said before...eating alone in a restaurant is just odd to me.
> I've never done it and I would never do that. It's not being ashamed.
> If I eat restaurant food alone, I'll get take out or delivery and eat
> it at home. Better to read a book or watch tv in the comfort of your
> own home than sitting at a table alone to eat....boring.
>
> G.
>
>
You probably fall into the same category as a co-worker I had who wouldn't d r e a m of eating a meal out in public a l o n e. He was terrified that someone would look at him as he set there a l o n e and think he's weird for eating a l o n e. Too 'embarrassing' for him to do that.

On Sunday, August 17, 2014 12:26:15 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>
> You are overlooking the fact that these days it is much more difficult
> for older men to find women who would jump at the chance of marriage
> and thereby give them a housekeeper to no doubt replace the one who
> died. I know that sounds cynical but when you have been used to free
> housekeeping...
>
>
AMEN, AMEN, AMEN!! I agree 100%.

On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 13:11:04 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 17/08/2014 1:00 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>
>> > wrote in message
>> news
>>> On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 10:10:48 -0700, "Cheri" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>> Absolutely, Janet. A woman alone is not "she wants to be picked up".
>>>>> That's so archaic.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jill
>>>>
>>>> Someone should clue the men into that fact. :-)
>>>>
>>>> Cheri
>>>
>>> You are overlooking the fact that these days it is much more difficult
>>> for older men to find women who would jump at the chance of marriage
>>> and thereby give them a housekeeper
>
>That's because if they divorced, the wife got to keep the house!
>
>to no doubt replace the one who
>>> died. I know that sounds cynical but when you have been used to free
>>> housekeeping...
>>
>> Yes, a lot of women finally wised up to the fact that some of those
>> single older men are looking for a caretaker.
>
>WHAT??
>You should peruse the singles ads and you would be surprised at the
>number of 60+ women who are looking for a younger, often MUCH younger
>man. They don't want to look after an older guy but see no reason why
>they shouldn't be looked after themselves.
>Graham

Oh, honey you've got that wrong. They're just looking for someone
with some spunk left in the tank
Janet US

On 8/17/2014 3:11 PM, graham wrote:

> On 17/08/2014 1:00 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>
>> Yes, a lot of women finally wised up to the fact that some of those
>> single older men are looking for a caretaker.
>
> WHAT??
> You should peruse the singles ads and you would be surprised at the
> number of 60+ women who are looking for a younger, often MUCH younger
> man. They don't want to look after an older guy but see no reason why
> they shouldn't be looked after themselves.
> Graham
>
I'm sure there are both sexes looking for someone to take care of them.
It isn't a bad thing unless it is completely one sided, but then again,
there are people who enjoy taking care of someone.

--
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Cheryl

On 8/17/2014 10:44 AM, jmcquown wrote:

> Eating out alone is just not that big a deal to me. I think you're
> strong enough to know you can be by yourself in a restaurant and not
> feel completely alone.
>
> That's not to say you won't be wishing Barry was there. Of course, you
> will be. But I think it's not at all strange to eat alone. It doesn't
> label a person, nor should it. It's all about being comfortable in your
> own skin. IMHO.
>
> (hugs)
>
> Jill

Thanks for the hugs, Jill. Of course I will always miss him.

I am comfortable with who I am. I know I can handle myself in most
situations and I'm smart enough to not put myself into situations I
can't handle.
--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 8/17/2014 12:10 PM, Cheri wrote:
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> Absolutely, Janet. A woman alone is not "she wants to be picked up".
>> That's so archaic.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Someone should clue the men into that fact. :-)
>
> Cheri

Some men are totally clueless.

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 8/17/2014 12:26 PM, wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 10:10:48 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> Absolutely, Janet. A woman alone is not "she wants to be picked up".
>>> That's so archaic.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> Someone should clue the men into that fact. :-)
>>
>> Cheri
>
> You are overlooking the fact that these days it is much more difficult
> for older men to find women who would jump at the chance of marriage
> and thereby give them a housekeeper to no doubt replace the one who
> died. I know that sounds cynical but when you have been used to free
> housekeeping...
>

UGH! No more men for me. Two husbands and I'm done!

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> > wrote in message
> news
>> On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 10:10:48 -0700, "Cheri" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>> Absolutely, Janet. A woman alone is not "she wants to be picked up".
>>>> That's so archaic.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>>Someone should clue the men into that fact. :-)
>>>
>>>Cheri
>>
>> You are overlooking the fact that these days it is much more difficult
>> for older men to find women who would jump at the chance of marriage
>> and thereby give them a housekeeper to no doubt replace the one who
>> died. I know that sounds cynical but when you have been used to free
>> housekeeping...
>
> Yes, a lot of women finally wised up to the fact that some of those single
> older men are looking for a caretaker. I have seen it within my circle of
> friends. One friend was involved with a man that used her for packing him
> back and forth to medical appointments, cooking, and any number of things,
> but he balked at taking trips, going out etc. It didn't last long and we
> laugh about it now, but she was still a chump for awhile there. :-)

I would never marry again. I could never find what I have now so the
problem would never arise.

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http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On 8/17/2014 1:55 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 10:30:39 -0500, Janet Wilder wrote:
>
>> On 8/17/2014 7:45 AM, Janet wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 16:48:56 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Women reading books at restaurants labels you as a unsocialble, homely
>>>>> spinster.
>>>
>>> You've just labelled yourself as one of those no-hoper men so
>>> sexually insecure you'd only hit on an unsociable homely spinster... and
>>> when she turned you down, you kid yourself she must be a menstruating
>>> *******.
>>
>> In the mid to late 80's I did a lot of business travel. Most of the
>> hotels I stayed at had a restaurant where I would have dinner alone,
>> with a book. I can't tell you how many times I was annoyed by
>> "gentlemen" who thought I was interested in their attentions.
>>
>> I'm a gregarious person, and if I wanted company, I'd sit at the bar and
>> nurse a drink and chat a bit, but when I was eating, I certainly didn't
>> want to be bothered.
>>
>> I, hopefully, will be traveling again soon and alone. I'm not at all
>> daunted and I know I can take care of myself, but I really do resent the
>> attitude that certain males exhibit when they see a woman alone.
>>
>> You fellows should clean up your act. You are dinosaurs!
>
> There you go stereo-typing men. Funny, because I just got criticized
> for expressing the exact opposite stereotype. I wish y'all women
> would make up your minds!
>
> -sw
>

I did say "certain" males. I think the men with the attitude I portrayed
know who they are. Of course there are gentlemen who were raised
properly and would not bother a woman alone.

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 8/17/2014 2:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/17/2014 11:30 AM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>
>>
>> You fellows should clean up your act. You are dinosaurs!
>>
>
>
> Poor analogy. The dinosaurs are extinct because they did not pick up
> female dinosaurs at restaurants and reproduce. Male humans follow their
> instincts to carry on the species. You'd not exist without us.

It's pretty obvious that I can't reproduce at this point in my life. :-)

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 8/17/2014 3:41 PM, wrote:

>>
> You probably fall into the same category as a co-worker I had who wouldn't d r e a m of eating a meal out in public a l o n e. He was terrified that someone would look at him as he set there a l o n e and think he's weird for eating a l o n e. Too 'embarrassing' for him to do that.
>

Knew a guy that would not eat in public. He likened eating the same as
using the toilet and it should be done in private.

On Saturday, August 16, 2014 5:48:56 PM UTC-4, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 13:52:28 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>
>
>
> > I really don't know why
>
> > there is a stigma attached to eating alone. It's not something
>
> > shameful, as the topic of the post suggests.
>
>
>
> Women reading books at restaurants labels you as a unsocialble,
>
> homely spinster. Bonus point if it's a Harliquen Romance. Extra
>
> bonus point if you bring two of them in case you finish the first one.
>
>
>
> -sw

Labels you as someone who feels comfortable in her own skin and doesn't need a companion to fill her every moment. Ever think of that? Maybe she's divorced, an out-of-towners, widowed and or just wants and needs to be alone with her thoughts.

I couldn't WAIT to escape work and the usual lunchtime babble. I'd walk the streets in the rain or hide in my car with a book at times. I'd even go home for lunch when distance allowed.

On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:23:46 AM UTC-4, jmcquown wrote:
> On 8/17/2014 9:39 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>
> > On 8/16/2014 9:02 PM, Tara wrote:
>
> >> On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 16:48:56 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>> Women reading books at restaurants labels you as a unsocialble, homely
>
> >>> spinster.
>
> >>
>
> >> One out of three ain't bad.
>
> >
>
> > Heh. If I was looking to be sociable, I would look around,
>
> > not look at a book. Pretty easy to figure out, no one needs
>
> > to be insulted or come up with labels. Same if you're on
>
> > a plane, it's the universal symbol for I don't want to talk.
>
> >
>
> > nancy
>
> >
>
> Oh man, I can't tell you how many times I've been on a plane when
>
> someone seated next to me wanted to talk. Dude, I'm reading a book. I
>
> am not your in-flight companion.
>
>
>
> I worked with a guy like that. I'd go outside on break and sit down
>
> with a book. 15 minutes to relax and unwind, you know? He'd sit down
>
> next to me and start talking. Fortunately I'm pretty good at filtering
>
> out extraneous noise.
>
>
>
> Jill

Donning a mask and inserting earplugs works well for me.

On Sunday, August 17, 2014 9:10:08 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 21:54:34 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>
> > wrote:
>
>
>
> >
>
> >I am just the opposite. If there were people around to talk to, I'd talk to
>
> >them and not read the book. Reading is only something I do to fill time.
>
> >Or if I have a need to read the specific material. I would never read a
>
> >book at a restaurant though. I find that to be rude. I would do it at a
>
> >coffee shop though. Lots of people do that.
>
>
>
> Why ? What's wrong with doing exactly what you want (so long as it
>
> doesn't infringe on the other diners pleasure) - you say you are a
>
> writer and yet now you say reading is something you only do to fill
>
> time?
>
>
>
> I don't find it rude to see someone reading in a restaurant and as a
>
> writer I can't imagine how you do !!! Expect to sell many books ?

Yeah - she's a writer. All right. And just study her grasp. Of runon or non-sentences. If you dare. Ha.

You're catching onto La Bove, by now. Resident kook.

In article >, says...
>
> On 17/08/2014 1:00 PM, Cheri wrote:
> >
> > > wrote in message
> > news
> >> On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 10:10:48 -0700, "Cheri" >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> >>> ...
> >>>
> >>>> Absolutely, Janet. A woman alone is not "she wants to be picked up".
> >>>> That's so archaic.
> >>>>
> >>>> Jill
> >>>
> >>> Someone should clue the men into that fact. :-)
> >>>
> >>> Cheri
> >>
> >> You are overlooking the fact that these days it is much more difficult
> >> for older men to find women who would jump at the chance of marriage
> >> and thereby give them a housekeeper
>
> That's because if they divorced, the wife got to keep the house!
>
> to no doubt replace the one who
> >> died. I know that sounds cynical but when you have been used to free
> >> housekeeping...
> >
> > Yes, a lot of women finally wised up to the fact that some of those
> > single older men are looking for a caretaker.
>
> WHAT??
> You should peruse the singles ads and you would be surprised at the
> number of 60+ women who are looking for a younger, often MUCH younger
> man.

But not for his skills with a pan, iron and duster.

Janet UK

In article >,
says...
>
> On 8/17/2014 11:30 AM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>
> >
> > You fellows should clean up your act. You are dinosaurs!
> >
>
>
> Poor analogy. The dinosaurs are extinct because they did not pick up
> female dinosaurs at restaurants and reproduce.

You mean, the female dinosaurs stopped reproducing because they'd
rather read a good book than get humped by an ugly pick-up ?

Janet UK

On 8/17/2014 3:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/17/2014 11:30 AM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>
>>
>> You fellows should clean up your act. You are dinosaurs!

> Poor analogy. The dinosaurs are extinct because they did not pick up
> female dinosaurs at restaurants and reproduce. Male humans follow their
> instincts to carry on the species. You'd not exist without us.

It's probably intimidating to walk up to a woman and strike
up a conversation. But if I'm clearly sending out I'm reading
my book vibes, leave it.

I never approached a guy, not for any particular reason, but
still managed to date and get married, so I can't really
complain about men coming over to say hi. Someone has to.

nancy

On 17/08/2014 1:24 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/17/2014 1:26 PM, wrote:
>
>>
>> You are overlooking the fact that these days it is much more difficult
>> for older men to find women who would jump at the chance of marriage
>> and thereby give them a housekeeper to no doubt replace the one who
>> died. I know that sounds cynical but when you have been used to free
>> housekeeping...
>>
>
> You have a point but the opposite is also true. I know men that have to
> fight off the women that are looking for sex and/or financial security.

Especially the latter!
Graham