"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/17/2014 12:54 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 8/16/2014 1:32 PM, Tara wrote:
>>>> I love having time to myself. I like to take myself out to lunch when
>>>> I
>>>> am shopping. I bring a book and enjoy some peace.
>>>>
>>>> Tara
>>>>
>>> Same here, Tara. I'd take a book and have a nice quiet lunch where I
>>> didn't have to fill the void with pointless chatter or shop talk with
>>> co-workers. Time to recharge my batteries. I really don't know
>>> why there is a stigma attached to eating alone. It's not something
>>> shameful, as the topic of the post suggests.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> I am just the opposite. If there were people around to talk to, I'd
>> talk to them and not read the book. Reading is only something I do to
>> fill time. Or if I have a need to read the specific material. I would
>> never read a book at a restaurant though. I find that to be rude. I
>> would do it at a coffee shop though. Lots of people do that.
>
> Why is my sitting by myself reading a book in a restaurant rude? I don't
> ignore the server when they come by to see what I want or ask if I'd like
> my coffee refilled. I'd rather read than sit and stare off into space or
> try to strike up conversations with strangers at the next table. I'm
> there to eat, not to socialize.

As you said, you are there to eat. I see people who sit at a table for
hours, reading. They're not there to eat.

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 10:23:46 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> Oh man, I can't tell you how many times I've been on a plane when
>> someone seated next to me wanted to talk. Dude, I'm reading a book. I
>> am not your in-flight companion.
>
> Just because I'm reading a book doesn't mean I'm opposed to talking if
> either of us have something interesting to talk about. Either one
> beats staring at the back of a seat.
>
> There's some sort of unwritten rule/stigma that you don't talk to
> people at bus stops. But when I do, I most often find that people are
> very receptive to conversation. Books are uncommon nowadays,
> cell-phones have taken their place.

That's true. I still read books. I don't see many other people doing that.

> wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 21:13:25 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>> > wrote in message
>>> news >>>> On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 10:10:48 -0700, "Cheri" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Absolutely, Janet. A woman alone is not "she wants to be picked up".
>>>>>> That's so archaic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>
>>>>>Someone should clue the men into that fact. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheri
>>>>
>>>> You are overlooking the fact that these days it is much more difficult
>>>> for older men to find women who would jump at the chance of marriage
>>>> and thereby give them a housekeeper to no doubt replace the one who
>>>> died. I know that sounds cynical but when you have been used to free
>>>> housekeeping...
>>>
>>> Yes, a lot of women finally wised up to the fact that some of those
>>> single
>>> older men are looking for a caretaker. I have seen it within my circle
>>> of
>>> friends. One friend was involved with a man that used her for packing
>>> him
>>> back and forth to medical appointments, cooking, and any number of
>>> things,
>>> but he balked at taking trips, going out etc. It didn't last long and we
>>> laugh about it now, but she was still a chump for awhile there. :-)
>>
>>I would never marry again. I could never find what I have now so the
>>problem would never arise.
>
> It isn't really even a question of that - I would not consider
> re-marrying but I can enjoy a lovely evening out as much as the next
> person, it's just surprising how often if that is with a guy my age
> (or close) he gets a glint in his eye seeing a nice replacement, well
> NO WAY. So the younger man is far more enticing.

lol fair enough )



--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On 8/16/2014 1:32 PM, Tara wrote:
>> >> I love having time to myself. I like to take myself out to lunch when
>> >> I
>> >> am shopping. I bring a book and enjoy some peace.
>> >>
>> >> Tara
>> >>
>> > Same here, Tara. I'd take a book and have a nice quiet lunch where I
>> > didn't have to fill the void with pointless chatter or shop talk with
>> > co-workers. Time to recharge my batteries. I really don't know why
>> > there is a stigma attached to eating alone. It's not something
>> > shameful,
>> > as the topic of the post suggests.
>> >
>> > Jill
>>
>> I am just the opposite. If there were people around to talk to, I'd talk
>> to
>> them and not read the book. Reading is only something I do to fill time.
>> Or if I have a need to read the specific material. I would never read a
>> book at a restaurant though. I find that to be rude. I would do it at a
>> coffee shop though. Lots of people do that.
>
> As I've said before...eating alone in a restaurant is just odd to me.
> I've never done it and I would never do that. It's not being ashamed.
> If I eat restaurant food alone, I'll get take out or delivery and eat
> it at home. Better to read a book or watch tv in the comfort of your
> own home than sitting at a table alone to eat....boring.
>
I'm with you on that! I just prefer to eat at home.

"Kalmia" > wrote in message
...
> On Sunday, August 17, 2014 9:10:08 AM UTC-4, wrote:
>> On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 21:54:34 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>>
>> >I am just the opposite. If there were people around to talk to, I'd
>> >talk to
>>
>> >them and not read the book. Reading is only something I do to fill
>> >time.
>>
>> >Or if I have a need to read the specific material. I would never read a
>>
>> >book at a restaurant though. I find that to be rude. I would do it at
>> >a
>>
>> >coffee shop though. Lots of people do that.
>>
>>
>>
>> Why ? What's wrong with doing exactly what you want (so long as it
>>
>> doesn't infringe on the other diners pleasure) - you say you are a
>>
>> writer and yet now you say reading is something you only do to fill
>>
>> time?
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't find it rude to see someone reading in a restaurant and as a
>>
>> writer I can't imagine how you do !!! Expect to sell many books ?
>
> Yeah - she's a writer. All right. And just study her grasp. Of runon or
> non-sentences. If you dare. Ha.
>
> You're catching onto La Bove, by now. Resident kook.

I haven't written anything for publication for several years now. I have
been published in the past. And most of what I've written is poetry. You
don't need proper sentences with poetry.

Many of you here seriously seem to have no life. All you can do is pick at
others.

On 8/17/2014 12:39 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 13:45:11 +0100, Janet wrote:
>
>>> On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 16:48:56 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:
>>>
>>>> Women reading books at restaurants labels you as a unsocialble, homely
>>>> spinster.
>>
>> You've just labelled yourself as one of those no-hoper men so
>> sexually insecure you'd only hit on an unsociable homely spinster... and
>> when she turned you down, you kid yourself she must be a menstruating
>> *******.
>
> You must read books at restaurants. I never "hit on women".
>
> -sw
>
The rejection must have been a real soul crusher...

On 2014-08-17 1:07 AM, Julie Bove wrote:

> I hate it when they say too loudly that I've left too much tip. What
> the hell business is it of theirs how much tip I leave?


Better put your boots on folks. It is getting deep.

On 8/17/2014 4:57 PM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On 8/17/2014 11:30 AM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> You fellows should clean up your act. You are dinosaurs!
>>>
>>
>>
>> Poor analogy. The dinosaurs are extinct because they did not pick up
>> female dinosaurs at restaurants and reproduce.
>
> You mean, the female dinosaurs stopped reproducing because they'd
> rather read a good book than get humped by an ugly pick-up ?
>
> Janet UK
>
ROFL!

Jill

On 8/17/2014 3:14 PM, wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 15:11:59 -0500, Janet Wilder >
> wrote:
>
>> On 8/17/2014 12:26 PM, wrote:
>>> On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 10:10:48 -0700, "Cheri" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>> Absolutely, Janet. A woman alone is not "she wants to be picked up".
>>>>> That's so archaic.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jill
>>>>
>>>> Someone should clue the men into that fact. :-)
>>>>
>>>> Cheri
>>>
>>> You are overlooking the fact that these days it is much more difficult
>>> for older men to find women who would jump at the chance of marriage
>>> and thereby give them a housekeeper to no doubt replace the one who
>>> died. I know that sounds cynical but when you have been used to free
>>> housekeeping...
>>>
>>
>> UGH! No more men for me. Two husbands and I'm done!
>
> Well given some time to elapse they can be quite entertaining
>

The only one I want to take care of is me. If I want entertainment,
I'll watch a movie. I might find a dancing partner on a cruise, but
that's it.

I've done all the titles: Miss, Ms. Divorcee, Mrs. and now widow,

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 8/17/2014 3:57 PM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On 8/17/2014 11:30 AM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> You fellows should clean up your act. You are dinosaurs!
>>>
>>
>>
>> Poor analogy. The dinosaurs are extinct because they did not pick up
>> female dinosaurs at restaurants and reproduce.
>
> You mean, the female dinosaurs stopped reproducing because they'd
> rather read a good book than get humped by an ugly pick-up ?
>
> Janet UK
>
LOL!

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 8/17/2014 4:40 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Kalmia" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sunday, August 17, 2014 9:10:08 AM UTC-4, wrote:
>>> On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 21:54:34 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >I am just the opposite. If there were people around to talk to, I'd
>>> >talk to
>>>
>>> >them and not read the book. Reading is only something I do to fill
>>> >time.
>>>
>>> >Or if I have a need to read the specific material. I would never
>>> read a
>>>
>>> >book at a restaurant though. I find that to be rude. I would do it
>>> at >a
>>>
>>> >coffee shop though. Lots of people do that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Why ? What's wrong with doing exactly what you want (so long as it
>>>
>>> doesn't infringe on the other diners pleasure) - you say you are a
>>>
>>> writer and yet now you say reading is something you only do to fill
>>>
>>> time?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't find it rude to see someone reading in a restaurant and as a
>>>
>>> writer I can't imagine how you do !!! Expect to sell many books ?
>>
>> Yeah - she's a writer. All right. And just study her grasp. Of
>> runon or non-sentences. If you dare. Ha.
>>
>> You're catching onto La Bove, by now. Resident kook.
>
> I haven't written anything for publication for several years now. I
> have been published in the past. And most of what I've written is
> poetry. You don't need proper sentences with poetry.
>
> Many of you here seriously seem to have no life. All you can do is pick
> at others.

I used to write poetry when I was an adolescent. Had several published
in magazines and won a National High School Poetry Award for one that
was in a regional, national and five-year anthology. Stopped being able
to write poetry when I "grew up" Can write some very interesting
doggerel, however :-)

I think one has to remain an adolescent in their mind, to some extent,
to be able to write poetry. I'm betting that many here wrote poems when
they were teenagers.

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On Saturday, August 16, 2014 6:51:57 PM UTC+2, wrote:
> http://pjmedia.com/drhelen/2014/08/1...eat-out-alone/
>

As a frequent traveller I do it a lot. And I dont even use the "book armor" (as they called it in sex and the city episode about this topic, haha). And I try to find good , formal restaurants as well, as I think that being away from home working this much , I deserve to treat myself good eating experiences. Actually, I often prefer to find a place on my own, since often when there's been colleagues or project partners to eat with, they often just want cheap pizza, kebab, and beer. However, on many occasions they have given in to my need for real food, when they saw how upset I became with the pizza decision.

On Saturday, August 16, 2014 11:54:28 PM UTC+2, Sqwertz wrote:
> The stigma of eating alone had mostly been solved by the cell-phone
>
> and social networking. Blowing off your friends for lunch provides
>
> you with that much needed time for Facebook and Twitter.


... where you can then chat with the same friends

On Saturday, August 16, 2014 11:55:49 PM UTC+2, jmcquown wrote:
> If it will make you feel better I'll tell you I much prefer books where
>
> someone gets killed in the first couple of chapters.
>

In game of thrones a lot of people die frequently, among all the descriptions of the food they are eating between getting killed.

On 8/17/2014 12:18 PM, Michael Nielsen wrote:
> On Saturday, August 16, 2014 6:51:57 PM UTC+2, wrote:
>> http://pjmedia.com/drhelen/2014/08/1...eat-out-alone/
>>
>
> As a frequent traveller I do it a lot. And I dont even use the "book armor" (as they called it in sex and the city episode about this topic, haha). And I try to find good , formal restaurants as well, as I think that being away from home working this much , I deserve to treat myself good eating experiences. Actually, I often prefer to find a place on my own, since often when there's been colleagues or project partners to eat with, they often just want cheap pizza, kebab, and beer. However, on many occasions they have given in to my need for real food, when they saw how upset I became with the pizza decision.
>

I like sitting by myself at a small table - it's a good change of pace
from having to be constantly chatting away with somebody. I get to widen
my field of view and just watch what people are doing at my leisure.
Unfortunately, these days I tend to be looking at my cell phone rather
than where I should be - at the life happening around me. I gotta create
a rule to stop this behavior. One thing I won't ever do is read a book
in a restaurant.

On Monday, August 18, 2014 12:38:08 AM UTC+2, dsi1 wrote:
> I like sitting by myself at a small table - it's a good change of pace
> from having to be constantly chatting away with somebody. I get to widen
> my field of view and just watch what people are doing at my leisure.
> Unfortunately, these days I tend to be looking at my cell phone rather
> than where I should be - at the life happening around me. I gotta create
> a rule to stop this behavior. One thing I won't ever do is read a book
> in a restaurant.

Books swallow you so you wont be able to sniff the air, catch the ambiance, study the other people. With your phone you can still do that. I sometimes have by wife on chat on it and tell her about what Im experiencing. Often Im just sitting there taking it in. Sometimes there's a guest next to you that you start talking to, other times it is the staff or the owner that's up for a nice chat. Anything can happen - if you are not too swallowed up by a book or the phone.

On 8/17/2014 12:46 PM, Michael Nielsen wrote:
> On Monday, August 18, 2014 12:38:08 AM UTC+2, dsi1 wrote:
>> I like sitting by myself at a small table - it's a good change of pace
>> from having to be constantly chatting away with somebody. I get to widen
>> my field of view and just watch what people are doing at my leisure.
>> Unfortunately, these days I tend to be looking at my cell phone rather
>> than where I should be - at the life happening around me. I gotta create
>> a rule to stop this behavior. One thing I won't ever do is read a book
>> in a restaurant.
>
> Books swallow you so you wont be able to sniff the air, catch the ambiance, study the other people. With your phone you can still do that. I sometimes have by wife on chat on it and tell her about what Im experiencing. Often Im just sitting there taking it in. Sometimes there's a guest next to you that you start talking to, other times it is the staff or the owner that's up for a nice chat. Anything can happen - if you are not too swallowed up by a book or the phone.
>

I agree with you there. The sad fact is that a woman sitting by herself
watching life go by tends to be frowned upon in our society. That's a
real shame. Here's what I look like, unfortunately, I was wearing my
jacket with the too short sleeves that day:

http://italianretro.com/vip/marcello-otto-e-mezzo

On 8/17/2014 6:09 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
> I used to write poetry when I was an adolescent. Had several published
> in magazines and won a National High School Poetry Award for one that
> was in a regional, national and five-year anthology. Stopped being able
> to write poetry when I "grew up" Can write some very interesting
> doggerel, however :-)
>
> I think one has to remain an adolescent in their mind, to some extent,
> to be able to write poetry. I'm betting that many here wrote poems when
> they were teenagers.

I certainly did. I have some copyrighted poems. Don't ask me to write
poetry these days. I doubt I could.

Jill

On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 13:01:28 -1000, dsi1 wrote:


> I agree with you there. The sad fact is that a woman sitting by herself
> watching life go by tends to be frowned upon in our society. That's a
> real shame. Here's what I look like, unfortunately, I was wearing my
> jacket with the too short sleeves that day:
>
> http://italianretro.com/vip/marcello-otto-e-mezzo

Oh, my, aren't you the handsome one?!

Tara

On 8/17/2014 7:01 PM, dsi1 wrote:

> I agree with you there. The sad fact is that a woman sitting by herself
> watching life go by tends to be frowned upon in our society. That's a
> real shame. Here's what I look like, unfortunately, I was wearing my
> jacket with the too short sleeves that day:
>
> http://italianretro.com/vip/marcello-otto-e-mezzo

(laugh)

However, I often see women dining out singly and no one seems
to think anything of it. Perhaps it's different here.

nancy

On 8/17/2014 1:07 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> I hate it when they say too loudly that I've left too much tip. What
> the hell business is it of theirs how much tip I leave?

Your dining companions complain you left too much of a tip? (I know the
servers aren't complaining about being over-tipped.) Sorry, but I don't
believe it.

Jill

On 8/17/2014 7:26 PM, Tara wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 13:01:28 -1000, dsi1 wrote:
>
>
>> I agree with you there. The sad fact is that a woman sitting by herself
>> watching life go by tends to be frowned upon in our society. That's a
>> real shame. Here's what I look like, unfortunately, I was wearing my
>> jacket with the too short sleeves that day:
>>
>> http://italianretro.com/vip/marcello-otto-e-mezzo
>
> Oh, my, aren't you the handsome one?!
>
> Tara
>
R I G H T... French cuffs are so passé.

Jill

On 8/17/2014 7:27 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 8/17/2014 7:01 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>> I agree with you there. The sad fact is that a woman sitting by herself
>> watching life go by tends to be frowned upon in our society. That's a
>> real shame. Here's what I look like, unfortunately, I was wearing my
>> jacket with the too short sleeves that day:
>>
>> http://italianretro.com/vip/marcello-otto-e-mezzo
>
> (laugh)
>
> However, I often see women dining out singly and no one seems
> to think anything of it. Perhaps it's different here.
>
> nancy
>
He's in Hawaii; last time I checked it was part of the US. I just don't
see the problem with women dining singly. Why it should be a "news"
article makes even less sense.

Jill

On 8/17/2014 1:26 PM, Tara wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 13:01:28 -1000, dsi1 wrote:
>
>
>> I agree with you there. The sad fact is that a woman sitting by herself
>> watching life go by tends to be frowned upon in our society. That's a
>> real shame. Here's what I look like, unfortunately, I was wearing my
>> jacket with the too short sleeves that day:
>>
>> http://italianretro.com/vip/marcello-otto-e-mezzo
>
> Oh, my, aren't you the handsome one?!
>
> Tara
>

Yeah, chicks just dig a guy with sunglasses and a coat with shortie
sleeves. Smoking like an Italian gent helps a lot. :-)

On 8/17/2014 6:09 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:

> I think one has to remain an adolescent in their mind, to some extent,
> to be able to write poetry. I'm betting that many here wrote poems when
> they were teenagers.
>
Indeed. Lots of angst-ridden stuff. Then I grew up.

On 8/17/2014 1:27 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 8/17/2014 7:01 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>> I agree with you there. The sad fact is that a woman sitting by herself
>> watching life go by tends to be frowned upon in our society. That's a
>> real shame. Here's what I look like, unfortunately, I was wearing my
>> jacket with the too short sleeves that day:
>>
>> http://italianretro.com/vip/marcello-otto-e-mezzo
>
> (laugh)
>
> However, I often see women dining out singly and no one seems
> to think anything of it. Perhaps it's different here.
>
> nancy
>

No doubt you live in a cool, progressive, area of the country. Perhaps
they're working it like Audry Hepburn in Roama. :-)

On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 19:27:48 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 8/17/2014 1:07 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> I hate it when they say too loudly that I've left too much tip. What
>> the hell business is it of theirs how much tip I leave?
>
>Your dining companions complain you left too much of a tip? (I know the
>servers aren't complaining about being over-tipped.) Sorry, but I don't
>believe it.
>
>Jill

It's just some sub rosa boasting.
Janet US

On 8/17/2014 8:07 PM, Janet Bostwick wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 19:27:48 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 8/17/2014 1:07 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> I hate it when they say too loudly that I've left too much tip. What
>>> the hell business is it of theirs how much tip I leave?
>>
>> Your dining companions complain you left too much of a tip? (I know the
>> servers aren't complaining about being over-tipped.) Sorry, but I don't
>> believe it.
>>
>> Jill
>
> It's just some sub rosa boasting.
> Janet US
>
Shhhh! She won't know what sub rosa means.

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/17/2014 6:09 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>> I used to write poetry when I was an adolescent. Had several published
>> in magazines and won a National High School Poetry Award for one that
>> was in a regional, national and five-year anthology. Stopped being able
>> to write poetry when I "grew up" Can write some very interesting
>> doggerel, however :-)
>>
>> I think one has to remain an adolescent in their mind, to some extent,
>> to be able to write poetry. I'm betting that many here wrote poems when
>> they were teenagers.
>
> I certainly did. I have some copyrighted poems. Don't ask me to write
> poetry these days. I doubt I could.
>
> Jill

Why in the world would anyone have to remain adolescent in their mind to
write poetry? I did write some as a teen. That was kind of required in
school. It certainly wasn't something that I just did at home for the heck
of it. I wrote things as a kid but as a teen I was far too busy doing other
things to write stuff unless I had to.

"S Viemeister" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/17/2014 6:09 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>
>> I think one has to remain an adolescent in their mind, to some extent,
>> to be able to write poetry. I'm betting that many here wrote poems when
>> they were teenagers.
>>
> Indeed. Lots of angst-ridden stuff. Then I grew up.

Really? I never did that at all. I don't even think that I had any angst
while growing up.

"Michael Nielsen" > wrote in message
...
On Monday, August 18, 2014 12:38:08 AM UTC+2, dsi1 wrote:
> I like sitting by myself at a small table - it's a good change of pace
> from having to be constantly chatting away with somebody. I get to widen
> my field of view and just watch what people are doing at my leisure.
> Unfortunately, these days I tend to be looking at my cell phone rather
> than where I should be - at the life happening around me. I gotta create
> a rule to stop this behavior. One thing I won't ever do is read a book
> in a restaurant.

Books swallow you so you wont be able to sniff the air, catch the ambiance,
study the other people. With your phone you can still do that. I sometimes
have by wife on chat on it and tell her about what Im experiencing. Often Im
just sitting there taking it in. Sometimes there's a guest next to you that
you start talking to, other times it is the staff or the owner that's up for
a nice chat. Anything can happen - if you are not too swallowed up by a book
or the phone.

I'm a people watcher. I'd much rather do that than read a book and there
isn't a thing on my phone that is enticing enough for me to want to mess
with it ever. I only use it when I have to.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/17/2014 7:27 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>> On 8/17/2014 7:01 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>>> I agree with you there. The sad fact is that a woman sitting by herself
>>> watching life go by tends to be frowned upon in our society. That's a
>>> real shame. Here's what I look like, unfortunately, I was wearing my
>>> jacket with the too short sleeves that day:
>>>
>>> http://italianretro.com/vip/marcello-otto-e-mezzo
>>
>> (laugh)
>>
>> However, I often see women dining out singly and no one seems
>> to think anything of it. Perhaps it's different here.
>>
>> nancy
>>
> He's in Hawaii; last time I checked it was part of the US. I just don't
> see the problem with women dining singly. Why it should be a "news"
> article makes even less sense.

Indeed. But I see all sorts of things like that reposted somewhere. Some
person has an issue and starts a blog and then some other clueless person
sees it, reacts and thinks we must all think that way.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/17/2014 1:07 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> I hate it when they say too loudly that I've left too much tip. What
>> the hell business is it of theirs how much tip I leave?
>
> Your dining companions complain you left too much of a tip? (I know the
> servers aren't complaining about being over-tipped.) Sorry, but I don't
> believe it.

I don't care *what* you or anyone else believes. I am tired of having to
prove myself again and again here. And I always can do that. I'm not about
to drag certain people in here to say to you that they told me that I
overtipped. I always leave 20% and usually round up to the next dollar. If
I ordered something special, I might add another dollar still. Most people
I know will only give 15% with the tax not included. Some leave 10%. I
think that's too little. I will tell them that once. There's no point in
saying it again. They think they are right, even when I can provide them
with a link stating that 20% is generally the going rate these days.

I actually had someone pick up most of the tip that I left because they
thought it was too much. I just put it back down. Did they bother to give
me back what they took? No. Did they think I saw? Probably not. Did I
dine out with them again? No.

"Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
news
> On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 19:27:48 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>>On 8/17/2014 1:07 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> I hate it when they say too loudly that I've left too much tip. What
>>> the hell business is it of theirs how much tip I leave?
>>
>>Your dining companions complain you left too much of a tip? (I know the
>>servers aren't complaining about being over-tipped.) Sorry, but I don't
>>believe it.
>>
>>Jill
>
> It's just some sub rosa boasting.
> Janet US

Whatever. No clue what that means either.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/17/2014 8:07 PM, Janet Bostwick wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 19:27:48 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/17/2014 1:07 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> I hate it when they say too loudly that I've left too much tip. What
>>>> the hell business is it of theirs how much tip I leave?
>>>
>>> Your dining companions complain you left too much of a tip? (I know the
>>> servers aren't complaining about being over-tipped.) Sorry, but I don't
>>> believe it.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> It's just some sub rosa boasting.
>> Janet US
>>
> Shhhh! She won't know what sub rosa means.

I don't and I probably don't care. Ya'll are obviously superior to me in
every way, at least in your own minds. I prefer to converse with people
that understand me. And I can understand them. They don't go out of their
way to deliberately poke fun at people or use obscure words and phrases.

On 8/17/2014 5:46 PM, Michael Nielsen wrote:
> On Monday, August 18, 2014 12:38:08 AM UTC+2, dsi1 wrote:
>> I like sitting by myself at a small table - it's a good change of pace
>> from having to be constantly chatting away with somebody. I get to widen
>> my field of view and just watch what people are doing at my leisure.
>> Unfortunately, these days I tend to be looking at my cell phone rather
>> than where I should be - at the life happening around me. I gotta create
>> a rule to stop this behavior. One thing I won't ever do is read a book
>> in a restaurant.
>
> Books swallow you so you wont be able to sniff the air, catch the ambiance, study the other people. With your phone you can still do that. I sometimes have by wife on chat on it and tell her about what Im experiencing. Often Im just sitting there taking it in. Sometimes there's a guest next to you that you start talking to, other times it is the staff or the owner that's up for a nice chat. Anything can happen - if you are not too swallowed up by a book or the phone.
>

I think talking on the phone in a restaurant is a bit rude.

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 8/17/2014 7:22 PM, Julie Bove wrote:

> Why in the world would anyone have to remain adolescent in their mind to
> write poetry? I did write some as a teen. That was kind of required in
> school. It certainly wasn't something that I just did at home for the
> heck of it. I wrote things as a kid but as a teen I was far too busy
> doing other things to write stuff unless I had to.

Some people are lucky enough to maintain the deep-feeling adolescent
part of them selves. Many of them are poets.

I'm sorry, but I can't see required writing lessons as "being a writer".

What did you write that was voluntary? What have you written from your
heart or your soul or your personal experiences?

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 8/17/2014 8:23 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "S Viemeister" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 8/17/2014 6:09 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>>
>>> I think one has to remain an adolescent in their mind, to some extent,
>>> to be able to write poetry. I'm betting that many here wrote poems when
>>> they were teenagers.
>>>
>> Indeed. Lots of angst-ridden stuff. Then I grew up.
>
> Really? I never did that at all. I don't even think that I had any
> angst while growing up.

You certainly seem to have a lot of angst now.

Jill

On 8/17/2014 8:39 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 8/17/2014 8:07 PM, Janet Bostwick wrote:
>>> On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 19:27:48 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/17/2014 1:07 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>> I hate it when they say too loudly that I've left too much tip. What
>>>>> the hell business is it of theirs how much tip I leave?
>>>>
>>>> Your dining companions complain you left too much of a tip? (I know
>>>> the
>>>> servers aren't complaining about being over-tipped.) Sorry, but I
>>>> don't
>>>> believe it.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> It's just some sub rosa boasting.
>>> Janet US
>>>
>> Shhhh! She won't know what sub rosa means.
>
> I don't and I probably don't care. Ya'll are obviously superior to me
> in every way, at least in your own minds. I prefer to converse with
> people that understand me.

Those who read at the 8th grade level?

Jill

On 8/17/2014 8:51 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
> On 8/17/2014 5:46 PM, Michael Nielsen wrote:
>> On Monday, August 18, 2014 12:38:08 AM UTC+2, dsi1 wrote:
>>> I like sitting by myself at a small table - it's a good change of pace
>>> from having to be constantly chatting away with somebody. I get to widen
>>> my field of view and just watch what people are doing at my leisure.
>>> Unfortunately, these days I tend to be looking at my cell phone rather
>>> than where I should be - at the life happening around me. I gotta create
>>> a rule to stop this behavior. One thing I won't ever do is read a book
>>> in a restaurant.
>>
>> Books swallow you so you wont be able to sniff the air, catch the
>> ambiance, study the other people. With your phone you can still do
>> that. I sometimes have by wife on chat on it and tell her about what
>> Im experiencing. Often Im just sitting there taking it in. Sometimes
>> there's a guest next to you that you start talking to, other times it
>> is the staff or the owner that's up for a nice chat. Anything can
>> happen - if you are not too swallowed up by a book or the phone.
>>
>
> I think talking on the phone in a restaurant is a bit rude.
>
I agree.

And sorry, but I don't always want to chit chat with some person at the
next table. If I take a book with me it's because I want to read a book
and enjoy my meal. When I'm "swallowed" by a book it is because I'm
immersed in a well-written story. I don't care if people use their
phones as long as they aren't shouting to be heard on them.

Jill