"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 00:05:10 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> She doesn't do books of any kind unless she has to.
>
> A cookbook with pictures could turn into something she has to use.
> Otherwise she'll be watching a lot of Youtube when she wants to eat.

Uh, no. I don't really think too many people use cookbooks these days and
you can't tell anything by a pic. At least I can't. Something might look
good until you find out what is really in it. I actually prefer cookbooks
and recipes without the pics. The pics make me think of Denny's.

And if she was watching Youtube? I'm sure she would be fine with it.
Unlike me, she likes to watch it.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/22/2014 11:20 AM, sf wrote:
>> On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 00:05:10 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> She doesn't do books of any kind unless she has to.
>>
>> A cookbook with pictures could turn into something she has to use.
>> Otherwise she'll be watching a lot of Youtube when she wants to eat.
>>
> I guess Julie expects her daughter to live with her forever. So she can
> pretty much order her mother to "cook something" without ever making an
> attempt to learn something for herself. No books. No practical learning
> of any kind. Mommy's there to do it for her.

Nope. She got her own dinner tonight. As I have said countless times,
there is no need for anyone to have to know how to cook any more. There are
so very many prepared foods that one can buy now that are healthy foods.
And there is always salad. She loves salad. Or cheese and fruit. Another
favorite meal.
>
> All I can say is I doubt daughter will stumble onto Prince Charming who
> cooks and will also put up with that Princess attitude.

Again, no need to cook. Most of the people I know do not cook, ever.
>
> When I was a teenager, if I had *ever* *told* my mother "Cook something
> for me" [by the time I get home] she'd have said, DO IT YOURSELF. I
> didn't think of my mother as a servant.

I would never have told my mom that. She hated to cook. She turned the
cooking over to me at age 12. I actually *love* to cook and not only do I
not mind doing it for others, I *love* doing it. To have someone ask me to
cook for them is a compliment to me.

"Becca EmaNymton" > wrote in message
...

> Not sure how my mother would have responded to that request, but probably
> not very well. One thing she did, before she started drinking, was cook,
> but we never placed orders.

I like to cook what people want to eat. The people in this house know that
as does my extended family. I tell them this all the time. So this does
not bother me in the least. I actually live for it! When and if the
day comes where I have no one to cook for, then I will be sad. Because I
don't cook much for myself. I can eat bean tacos day after day or make a
pot of soup or chili or something to last me the week. The pot roast and
vegetables are going to last me a lot longer than I thought they would
because daughter won't eat them and husband called to say that he wouldn't
come home for dinner as they are having some dinner thing at work.
>
> We had a housekeeper, so I never saw my mother do laundry, iron clothes,
> change the sheets, wash dishes or do housework. She was quite spoiled. Us
> kids somehow learned how to do it when we grew up, though. Mother never
> worked, but she kept herself busy being a social butterfly. I still love
> her and miss her.

My parents had a housekeeper in their later years. Certainly not while I
was growing up so I did a lot of the tasks around the house.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> When I was a teenager, if I had *ever* *told* my mother "Cook something
>> for me" [by the time I get home] she'd have said, DO IT YOURSELF. I
>> didn't think of my mother as a servant.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Mine would have laughed and said...whose little girl are you, because
> you're not mine.

Well... I guess I stand alone here but I do like it when people say that to
me. Music to my ears! I actually miss being at my in-laws house back when
they had it. I would just cook up a storm day and night. Everyone liked my
food so the extended family was always dropping by to eat and I also made
sure to cook things for the freezer. My MIL had care takers but there was
no love in that food and often they took the easiest way out. A favorite
meal for them to fix was some kind of microwaveable fish fillets and a can
of beets. Probably my FIL's least favorite meal.

I also liked it when his friend came to visit. He owned an Italian
restaurant. He and my FIL would sit at the table, drinking coffee and
smoking and he would bark out orders to me. It was his way of teaching me
how to cook. I learned to make all sorts of Italian or perhaps they were
more Italian American things that you probably won't find on any restaurant
menu but are commonly eaten at home.

"Bryan-TGWWW" > wrote in message
...
> On Friday, August 22, 2014 2:05:10 AM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>>
>> > On Thu, 21 Aug 2014 15:43:00 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>
>> > > wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> "Thomas" > wrote in message
>>
>> >> ...
>>
>> >> > On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 10:34:04 PM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> >> >> Probably not.
>>
>> >> >
>>
>> >> > For future cooking, buy her a large cookbook and have her circle
>> >> > what
>>
>> >> > she
>>
>> >> > thinks she would like. Then you can have at it.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> I don't use cookbooks.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > It's not for your benefit, it's for hers.
>>
>>
>>
>> She doesn't do books of any kind unless she has to.
>
> A lack of intellectual curiosity to go along with fat and lazy. Ah, but
> she's
> got a fine career ahead of her as the Florence Foster Jenkins of the
> ballet.

That's not what she intends to do for a living.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Cheri" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> When I was a teenager, if I had *ever* *told* my mother "Cook something
>>> for me" [by the time I get home] she'd have said, DO IT YOURSELF. I
>>> didn't think of my mother as a servant.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> Mine would have laughed and said...whose little girl are you, because
>> you're not mine.
>
> Well... I guess I stand alone here but I do like it when people say that
> to me. Music to my ears! I actually miss being at my in-laws house back
> when they had it. I would just cook up a storm day and night. Everyone
> liked my food so the extended family was always dropping by to eat and I
> also made sure to cook things for the freezer. My MIL had care takers but
> there was no love in that food and often they took the easiest way out. A
> favorite meal for them to fix was some kind of microwaveable fish fillets
> and a can of beets. Probably my FIL's least favorite meal.

Well, my mom had seven kids and we were on a ranch for several years with
all the work that entails, so she didn't have the time or the energy to be a
short order cook, but she was a good cook and cooked regular meals...just
not orders called in.

Cheri

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...

> That's not her. I do not have a blog and never would. I have no clue who
> that is. But she certainly doesn't look like that.

Whatever happened to your web page?

Cheri

"barbie gee" > wrote in message
hcrg.pbz...
>
>
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2014, Becca EmaNymton wrote:
>
>> On 8/22/2014 2:53 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 8/22/2014 11:20 AM, sf wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 00:05:10 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> She doesn't do books of any kind unless she has to.
>>>>
>>>> A cookbook with pictures could turn into something she has to use.
>>>> Otherwise she'll be watching a lot of Youtube when she wants to eat.
>>>>
>>> I guess Julie expects her daughter to live with her forever. So she can
>>> pretty much order her mother to "cook something" without ever making an
>>> attempt to learn something for herself. No books. No practical
>>> learning of any kind. Mommy's there to do it for her.
>>>
>>> All I can say is I doubt daughter will stumble onto Prince Charming who
>>> cooks and will also put up with that Princess attitude.
>>>
>>> When I was a teenager, if I had *ever* *told* my mother "Cook something
>>> for me" [by the time I get home] she'd have said, DO IT YOURSELF. I
>>> didn't think of my mother as a servant.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> Not sure how my mother would have responded to that request, but probably
>> not very well. One thing she did, before she started drinking, was cook,
>> but we never placed orders.
>>
>> We had a housekeeper, so I never saw my mother do laundry, iron clothes,
>> change the sheets, wash dishes or do housework. She was quite spoiled. Us
>> kids somehow learned how to do it when we grew up, though. Mother never
>> worked, but she kept herself busy being a social butterfly. I still love
>> her and miss her.
>
> how did she afford a housekeeper?
> I'd give my eye-teeth to have someone in once a week...

I wouldn't! Too many problems with them. For one thing, you can't have any
clutter whatever in your house or they won't clean. At least that was how
my parent's housekeeper was. She also got picky about the cleaning products
and insisted that my mom buy specific ones. If my house is going to be
cleaned, I want it to be done with the products that I like. And those are
ones that smell good and aren't loaded with chemicals that give me
respiratory problems.

Also in every case of a housekeeper I know of, valuable things went missing
and things got broken. Things were not necessarily stolen although in some
cases, the house owner was pretty sure they were. In other cases, it was
felt to be carelessness. Like a ring being knocked off of the top of a
dresser and then being sucked up in the vacuum cleaner. That very day, the
housekeeper changed the vacuum bag and the next day was trash day. By the
time it was noticed that the ring was gone, the trash had already been
picked up.

The other thing that I thought was weird was the the housekeepers asked that
nobody be home when she came. So even if they had the day off, they had to
leave the house and find some place to go.

On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 15:53:18 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

> I didn't think of my mother as a servant.

That never occurred to me either,


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On 8/22/2014 11:35 PM, barbie gee wrote:
>
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2014, Becca EmaNymton wrote:
>
>> On 8/22/2014 2:53 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> We had a housekeeper, so I never saw my mother do laundry, iron
>> clothes, change the sheets, wash dishes or do housework. She was quite
>> spoiled. Us kids somehow learned how to do it when we grew up, though.
>> Mother never worked, but she kept herself busy being a social
>> butterfly. I still love her and miss her.
>
> how did she afford a housekeeper?
> I'd give my eye-teeth to have someone in once a week...

Apparently it used to be fairly common for the middle class to have
someone come in once a week. Even live-in help. [That, I cannot
imagine.] The world (and the cost of living) was different 50 years ago.

A couple of times a year I hire a local cleaning service to do a "deep
clean". The price is very reasonable. And they bring all their own
cleaning supplies and equipment. They even wash the windows inside and
out. They're licensed and bonded. Once a week? It would be nice, but
no...

Jill

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> When I was a teenager, if I had *ever* *told* my mother "Cook something
>>>> for me" [by the time I get home] she'd have said, DO IT YOURSELF. I
>>>> didn't think of my mother as a servant.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> Mine would have laughed and said...whose little girl are you, because
>>> you're not mine.
>>
>> Well... I guess I stand alone here but I do like it when people say that
>> to me. Music to my ears! I actually miss being at my in-laws house back
>> when they had it. I would just cook up a storm day and night. Everyone
>> liked my food so the extended family was always dropping by to eat and I
>> also made sure to cook things for the freezer. My MIL had care takers
>> but there was no love in that food and often they took the easiest way
>> out. A favorite meal for them to fix was some kind of microwaveable fish
>> fillets and a can of beets. Probably my FIL's least favorite meal.
>
> Well, my mom had seven kids and we were on a ranch for several years with
> all the work that entails, so she didn't have the time or the energy to be
> a short order cook, but she was a good cook and cooked regular
> meals...just not orders called in.

My mom hated to cook which is why we went out to eat so much. And much of
what she did cook really wasn't very exciting. For instance when she
discovered the wedge salad. But unlike a wedge that you get in a
restaurant, there was no blue cheese or bacon bits. You just got a wedge of
iceberg on a plate. Throw in some Hamburger Helper and you've got a meal!

I suppose if I had to cook for 7, I wouldn't be able to make a different
meal for everyone but I would make sure if I was serving something that one
or more people did not like to be sure to include something comparable that
they do like.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> That's not her. I do not have a blog and never would. I have no clue
>> who that is. But she certainly doesn't look like that.
>
> Whatever happened to your web page?

I let it go a long time ago. It was probably when Frontier took over for
Verizon Everyone is on Facebook now so no need for one. I only made one to
begin with just to prove that I could. The novelty of it wore off as soon
as it was made and I really disliked having to make changes.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 15:53:18 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> I didn't think of my mother as a servant.
>
> That never occurred to me either,
>
Mine sure as hell never was unless perhaps I was ill. Then she would wait
on my hand and foot. Angela likes to be left alone for the most part when
she is sick. Frankly I do too but my mother is such a controlling type and
can get quite nasty so no one would dream of telling her "no". So I
probably don't do a lot for Angela when she is ill except to make sure that
she has any meds that she needs and to make sure that she is drinking water.
Mostly she has no appetite whatever when ill so offering her food is futile.
I learned that the hard way.

I do try really hard to make food that people will like though. I guess
that's my thing.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/22/2014 11:35 PM, barbie gee wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 22 Aug 2014, Becca EmaNymton wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/22/2014 2:53 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>> We had a housekeeper, so I never saw my mother do laundry, iron
>>> clothes, change the sheets, wash dishes or do housework. She was quite
>>> spoiled. Us kids somehow learned how to do it when we grew up, though.
>>> Mother never worked, but she kept herself busy being a social
>>> butterfly. I still love her and miss her.
>>
>> how did she afford a housekeeper?
>> I'd give my eye-teeth to have someone in once a week...
>
> Apparently it used to be fairly common for the middle class to have
> someone come in once a week. Even live-in help. [That, I cannot
> imagine.] The world (and the cost of living) was different 50 years ago.
>
> A couple of times a year I hire a local cleaning service to do a "deep
> clean". The price is very reasonable. And they bring all their own
> cleaning supplies and equipment. They even wash the windows inside and
> out. They're licensed and bonded. Once a week? It would be nice, but
> no...

Yes. I read a lot of food history books earlier this year. At one point in
time, everyone had servants unless they were truly poor. Women did not know
how to cook because someone did it for them. Then the economy tanked and
everything changed.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 8/22/2014 11:20 AM, sf wrote:
>>> On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 00:05:10 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> She doesn't do books of any kind unless she has to.
>>>
>>> A cookbook with pictures could turn into something she has to use.
>>> Otherwise she'll be watching a lot of Youtube when she wants to eat.
>>>
>> I guess Julie expects her daughter to live with her forever. So she can
>> pretty much order her mother to "cook something" without ever making an
>> attempt to learn something for herself. No books. No practical learning
>> of any kind. Mommy's there to do it for her.
>
> Nope. She got her own dinner tonight. As I have said countless times,
> there is no need for anyone to have to know how to cook any more. There
> are so very many prepared foods that one can buy now that are healthy
> foods. And there is always salad. She loves salad. Or cheese and fruit.
> Another favorite meal.
>>
>> All I can say is I doubt daughter will stumble onto Prince Charming who
>> cooks and will also put up with that Princess attitude.
>
> Again, no need to cook. Most of the people I know do not cook, ever.
>>
>> When I was a teenager, if I had *ever* *told* my mother "Cook something
>> for me" [by the time I get home] she'd have said, DO IT YOURSELF. I
>> didn't think of my mother as a servant.
>
> I would never have told my mom that. She hated to cook. She turned the
> cooking over to me at age 12. I actually *love* to cook and not only do I
> not mind doing it for others, I *love* doing it. To have someone ask me
> to cook for them is a compliment to me.

I understand what you are saying. I see young people in the supermarket and
their trolley/cart is full of read prepared stuff. No before someone asks,
I don't study what they have, but all the boxes are obvious.


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"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
.. I learned to make all sorts of Italian or perhaps they were
> more Italian American things that you probably won't find on any
> restaurant menu but are commonly eaten at home.

Share some of those recipes?


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"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/22/2014 11:35 PM, barbie gee wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 22 Aug 2014, Becca EmaNymton wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/22/2014 2:53 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>> We had a housekeeper, so I never saw my mother do laundry, iron
>>> clothes, change the sheets, wash dishes or do housework. She was quite
>>> spoiled. Us kids somehow learned how to do it when we grew up, though.
>>> Mother never worked, but she kept herself busy being a social
>>> butterfly. I still love her and miss her.
>>
>> how did she afford a housekeeper?
>> I'd give my eye-teeth to have someone in once a week...
>
> Apparently it used to be fairly common for the middle class to have
> someone come in once a week. Even live-in help. [That, I cannot
> imagine.] The world (and the cost of living) was different 50 years ago.
>
> A couple of times a year I hire a local cleaning service to do a "deep
> clean". The price is very reasonable. And they bring all their own
> cleaning supplies and equipment. They even wash the windows inside and
> out. They're licensed and bonded. Once a week? It would be nice, but
> no...

All the years I working I had a cleaner who came in twice a week but in
India we had a cook/housekeeper and a retinue of servants. I didn't like
that
much!


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"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>

> I understand what you are saying. I see young people in the supermarket
> and
> their trolley/cart is full of read prepared stuff. No before someone
> asks,
> I don't study what they have, but all the boxes are obvious.

Yep. People either want to and like to cook, or they don't. No sense
trying to get the people who don't want to, to learn.

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
> . I learned to make all sorts of Italian or perhaps they were
>> more Italian American things that you probably won't find on any
>> restaurant menu but are commonly eaten at home.
>
> Share some of those recipes?

They aren't actual recipes. I have mentioned the egg and peppers before.
That's the only one I can really remember. Probably because my husband's
relatives eat it every day. It's just a certain kind of pepper. Not sure
what it would be called where you are. On the East Coast, depending on
where you live, either Italianelle or Frying Peppers. Hard to find here,
but sometimes called Cubanelle. They're a light green and sort of like a
Bell but much thinner skinned and longer. Not as good for stuffing although
I have stuffed them because my FIL would have tons of them.

Anyway... They are just cut in strips, fried with a little garlic, then
scrambled eggs are added. Cook till done and serve with Italian bread.

I can't really tell you what all went into the other things because he was
just barking orders at me sooo quickly. Do they have this? Do they have
that? If they had it, he told me to add it and how much. I do remember
what he told me about the pizza dough though and that has been confirmed by
Lidia Bastianich. I had been fighting the dough because it had a tendency
to snap back. He just told me to walk away from it for a while, come back
and try again. If it was still snapping back, let it rest some more. That
one never failed me!

> wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 10:28:48 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
>>> On 8/22/2014 11:35 PM, barbie gee wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 22 Aug 2014, Becca EmaNymton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/22/2014 2:53 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> We had a housekeeper, so I never saw my mother do laundry, iron
>>>>> clothes, change the sheets, wash dishes or do housework. She was quite
>>>>> spoiled. Us kids somehow learned how to do it when we grew up, though.
>>>>> Mother never worked, but she kept herself busy being a social
>>>>> butterfly. I still love her and miss her.
>>>>
>>>> how did she afford a housekeeper?
>>>> I'd give my eye-teeth to have someone in once a week...
>>>
>>> Apparently it used to be fairly common for the middle class to have
>>> someone come in once a week. Even live-in help. [That, I cannot
>>> imagine.] The world (and the cost of living) was different 50 years
>>> ago.
>>>
>>> A couple of times a year I hire a local cleaning service to do a "deep
>>> clean". The price is very reasonable. And they bring all their own
>>> cleaning supplies and equipment. They even wash the windows inside and
>>> out. They're licensed and bonded. Once a week? It would be nice, but
>>> no...
>>
>>All the years I working I had a cleaner who came in twice a week but in
>>India we had a cook/housekeeper and a retinue of servants. I didn't like
>>that
>>much!
>
> Were you in Poona ?

Delhi.

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"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> . I learned to make all sorts of Italian or perhaps they were
>>> more Italian American things that you probably won't find on any
>>> restaurant menu but are commonly eaten at home.
>>
>> Share some of those recipes?
>
> They aren't actual recipes. I have mentioned the egg and peppers before.
> That's the only one I can really remember. Probably because my husband's
> relatives eat it every day. It's just a certain kind of pepper. Not sure
> what it would be called where you are. On the East Coast, depending on
> where you live, either Italianelle or Frying Peppers. Hard to find here,
> but sometimes called Cubanelle. They're a light green and sort of like a
> Bell but much thinner skinned and longer. Not as good for stuffing
> although I have stuffed them because my FIL would have tons of them.
>
> Anyway... They are just cut in strips, fried with a little garlic, then
> scrambled eggs are added. Cook till done and serve with Italian bread.

Ok thanks


> I can't really tell you what all went into the other things because he was
> just barking orders at me sooo quickly. Do they have this? Do they have
> that? If they had it, he told me to add it and how much. I do remember
> what he told me about the pizza dough though and that has been confirmed
> by Lidia Bastianich. I had been fighting the dough because it had a
> tendency to snap back. He just told me to walk away from it for a while,
> come back and try again. If it was still snapping back, let it rest some
> more. That one never failed me!

Yep, dough works like that)



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> wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 13:09:46 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
> wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 10:28:48 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
>>>>> On 8/22/2014 11:35 PM, barbie gee wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 22 Aug 2014, Becca EmaNymton wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/22/2014 2:53 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We had a housekeeper, so I never saw my mother do laundry, iron
>>>>>>> clothes, change the sheets, wash dishes or do housework. She was
>>>>>>> quite
>>>>>>> spoiled. Us kids somehow learned how to do it when we grew up,
>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>> Mother never worked, but she kept herself busy being a social
>>>>>>> butterfly. I still love her and miss her.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> how did she afford a housekeeper?
>>>>>> I'd give my eye-teeth to have someone in once a week...
>>>>>
>>>>> Apparently it used to be fairly common for the middle class to have
>>>>> someone come in once a week. Even live-in help. [That, I cannot
>>>>> imagine.] The world (and the cost of living) was different 50 years
>>>>> ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> A couple of times a year I hire a local cleaning service to do a "deep
>>>>> clean". The price is very reasonable. And they bring all their own
>>>>> cleaning supplies and equipment. They even wash the windows inside
>>>>> and
>>>>> out. They're licensed and bonded. Once a week? It would be nice,
>>>>> but
>>>>> no...
>>>>
>>>>All the years I working I had a cleaner who came in twice a week but in
>>>>India we had a cook/housekeeper and a retinue of servants. I didn't
>>>>like
>>>>that
>>>>much!
>>>
>>> Were you in Poona ?
>>
>>Delhi.
>
> lol we used to refer to a certain stomach ailment as Delhi Belly. My
> uncle and aunt were in Poona for three years and loved it.

Oh yes! I know 'Delhi Belly' all too well)

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On Friday, August 22, 2014 8:07:49 PM UTC-5, Mayo wrote:
>
>
> Have you ever deigned to be pleasant to her?

Fed the mangy stray? In moments of weakness.

--Bryan

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...

> I suppose if I had to cook for 7, I wouldn't be able to make a different
> meal for everyone but I would make sure if I was serving something that
> one or more people did not like to be sure to include something comparable
> that they do like.

Actually, with my parents, my great uncle and my grandmother that lived with
us, there were 11. You ate what was served or you could wait until the next
meal. Very few picky eaters back in those days since we actually worked as
kids and were hungry at dinnertime.

Cheri

On Friday, August 22, 2014 5:52:16 PM UTC-4, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:

> A lack of intellectual curiosity to go along with fat and lazy. Ah, but she's
>
> got a fine career ahead of her as the Florence Foster Jenkins of the ballet.


Or Susan Alexander Kane

On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 23:47:36 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Apparently it used to be fairly common for the middle class to have
> > someone come in once a week. Even live-in help. [That, I cannot
> > imagine.] The world (and the cost of living) was different 50 years ago.
> >
> > A couple of times a year I hire a local cleaning service to do a "deep
> > clean". The price is very reasonable. And they bring all their own
> > cleaning supplies and equipment. They even wash the windows inside and
> > out. They're licensed and bonded. Once a week? It would be nice, but
> > no...
>
> Yes. I read a lot of food history books earlier this year. At one point in
> time, everyone had servants unless they were truly poor. Women did not know
> how to cook because someone did it for them. Then the economy tanked and
> everything changed.

At one point, living a life of leisure was the thing to aspire to.
Idle and rich still go together and historically it was one of the
reasons why the slavery flourished as long as it did here in the USA.


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On 8/23/2014 5:28 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 8/22/2014 11:35 PM, barbie gee wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, 22 Aug 2014, Becca EmaNymton wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/22/2014 2:53 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We had a housekeeper, so I never saw my mother do laundry, iron
>>>> clothes, change the sheets, wash dishes or do housework. She was quite
>>>> spoiled. Us kids somehow learned how to do it when we grew up, though.
>>>> Mother never worked, but she kept herself busy being a social
>>>> butterfly. I still love her and miss her.
>>>
>>> how did she afford a housekeeper?
>>> I'd give my eye-teeth to have someone in once a week...
>>
>> Apparently it used to be fairly common for the middle class to have
>> someone come in once a week. Even live-in help. [That, I cannot
>> imagine.] The world (and the cost of living) was different 50 years ago.
>>
>> A couple of times a year I hire a local cleaning service to do a "deep
>> clean". The price is very reasonable. And they bring all their own
>> cleaning supplies and equipment. They even wash the windows inside and
>> out. They're licensed and bonded. Once a week? It would be nice, but
>> no...
>
> All the years I working I had a cleaner who came in twice a week but in
> India we had a cook/housekeeper and a retinue of servants. I didn't
> like that
> much!
>
>
We didn't have a "retinue" of servants but when we lived in Bangkok we
had a cook, Alum, and her 19 year old daughter Dook was the maid. They
lived in the servants quarters behind the house. It consisted of a good
sized furnished bedroom, bath and private kitchen.

Jill

On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 03:54:43 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
> > "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > . I learned to make all sorts of Italian or perhaps they were
> >> more Italian American things that you probably won't find on any
> >> restaurant menu but are commonly eaten at home.
> >
> > Share some of those recipes?
>
> They aren't actual recipes. I have mentioned the egg and peppers before.
> That's the only one I can really remember. Probably because my husband's
> relatives eat it every day. It's just a certain kind of pepper. Not sure
> what it would be called where you are. On the East Coast, depending on
> where you live, either Italianelle or Frying Peppers. Hard to find here,
> but sometimes called Cubanelle. They're a light green and sort of like a
> Bell but much thinner skinned and longer. Not as good for stuffing although
> I have stuffed them because my FIL would have tons of them.
>
> Anyway... They are just cut in strips, fried with a little garlic, then
> scrambled eggs are added. Cook till done and serve with Italian bread.

I'm surprised you didn't learn the names of dishes. The pepper dish
you're talking about is probably called "peperonata" (there are many
variations) and serving it with eggs is common... the egg part is
something I'd call "very European" and probably where people got their
penchant to eat "breakfast for dinner" from. I'd rather have Italian
sausage.
>
> I can't really tell you what all went into the other things because he was
> just barking orders at me sooo quickly. Do they have this? Do they have
> that? If they had it, he told me to add it and how much. I do remember
> what he told me about the pizza dough though and that has been confirmed by
> Lidia Bastianich. I had been fighting the dough because it had a tendency
> to snap back. He just told me to walk away from it for a while, come back
> and try again. If it was still snapping back, let it rest some more. That
> one never failed me!

Resting pizza dough isn't a big secret. Let it rest/rise overnight in
the refrigerator and you'll have a winner on your hands.


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On 8/23/2014 5:28 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>

> All the years I working I had a cleaner who came in twice a week but in
> India we had a cook/housekeeper and a retinue of servants. I didn't
> like that much!

I worked for a time with a guy from India. He bragged that
there, everyone had a maid!!

I said, even the maids? Interesting. Heh.

I would not be interested in having help around all the time.
Once in a while, I wouldn't mind a professional spring
cleaning but I can't really justify that.

nancy

On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 10:28:48 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

> > India we had a cook/housekeeper and a retinue of servants. I didn't like
> that much!

A cook, house cleaner and chauffeur are major enticements that tech
companies use to get American employees to switch to India.


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> wrote in message
news
> On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 07:40:06 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>> I suppose if I had to cook for 7, I wouldn't be able to make a different
>>> meal for everyone but I would make sure if I was serving something that
>>> one or more people did not like to be sure to include something
>>> comparable
>>> that they do like.
>>
>>Actually, with my parents, my great uncle and my grandmother that lived
>>with
>>us, there were 11. You ate what was served or you could wait until the
>>next
>>meal. Very few picky eaters back in those days since we actually worked as
>>kids and were hungry at dinnertime.
>>
>>Cheri
>
> Makes me think of my grandmothers table - food was rationed - there
> were many of us and if you piped up about not liking anything your
> plate disappeared promptly and she said "All the more for the rest of
> us" ! You'd eat anything by the next meal.

Yes!!! I remember it well )

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"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/23/2014 5:28 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>
>> All the years I working I had a cleaner who came in twice a week but in
>> India we had a cook/housekeeper and a retinue of servants. I didn't
>> like that much!
>
> I worked for a time with a guy from India. He bragged that
> there, everyone had a maid!!

Huh no! Not everyone had maids. Certainly there were far more poor people
than any other

> I said, even the maids? Interesting. Heh.
>
> I would not be interested in having help around all the time.
> Once in a while, I wouldn't mind a professional spring
> cleaning but I can't really justify that.

I liked it better when I had a cleaner coming in twice a week. I hated
having all those people around constantly Not my choice I can tell you.

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On 8/23/2014 8:16 AM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
> On Friday, August 22, 2014 8:07:49 PM UTC-5, Mayo wrote:
>>
>>
>> Have you ever deigned to be pleasant to her?
>
> Fed the mangy stray? In moments of weakness.
>
> --Bryan
>
It must suck to be as deeply cynical as you are.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 10:28:48 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>> > India we had a cook/housekeeper and a retinue of servants. I didn't
>> > like
>> that much!
>
> A cook, house cleaner and chauffeur are major enticements that tech
> companies use to get American employees to switch to India.

Yep! Our cook was also our housekeeper and he controlled the staff.

Heh we had a chauffeur and he called us *all* Sir! Even me and my daughter
lol
He would salute us too <g>



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In article >, says...
>

> Yes. I read a lot of food history books earlier this year. At one point in
> time, everyone had servants unless they were truly poor. Women did not know
> how to cook because someone did it for them.

Yes, other women, stupid.

Janet UK

On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 12:22:28 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

> On 8/23/2014 5:28 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> >
>
> > All the years I working I had a cleaner who came in twice a week but in
> > India we had a cook/housekeeper and a retinue of servants. I didn't
> > like that much!
>
> I worked for a time with a guy from India. He bragged that
> there, everyone had a maid!!
>
> I said, even the maids? Interesting. Heh.
>
Remember, they still have a caste system even if it was officially
abolished decades ago. We're talking about thousands of years of
history and tradition that has to be ignored.


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On 8/23/2014 12:50 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Nancy Young" > wrote

>> I worked for a time with a guy from India. He bragged that
>> there, everyone had a maid!!
>
> Huh no! Not everyone had maids. Certainly there were far more poor
> people than any other

Right? That's the point I was making to him. To his
mind, his family and neighbors were everyone, the poor
people didn't count.

>> I would not be interested in having help around all the time.
>> Once in a while, I wouldn't mind a professional spring
>> cleaning but I can't really justify that.
>
> I liked it better when I had a cleaner coming in twice a week. I hated
> having all those people around constantly Not my choice I can tell
> you.

Really, I can't relax with people hanging around. If I hit the
lottery for a billion dollars, I wouldn't buy a mansion because
you have to have people cleaning it and taking care of it all the
time.

nancy

On 8/23/2014 12:59 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 12:22:28 -0400, Nancy Young
> > wrote:

>> I worked for a time with a guy from India. He bragged that
>> there, everyone had a maid!!
>>
>> I said, even the maids? Interesting. Heh.
>>
> Remember, they still have a caste system even if it was officially
> abolished decades ago. We're talking about thousands of years of
> history and tradition that has to be ignored.

Absolutely. There were two Indian women in a different
department, one was from the upper class and she never let
the other one forget it. Never mind they were doing the same
work, and far from India.

nancy

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/23/2014 12:50 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Nancy Young" > wrote
>
>>> I worked for a time with a guy from India. He bragged that
>>> there, everyone had a maid!!
>>
>> Huh no! Not everyone had maids. Certainly there were far more poor
>> people than any other
>
> Right? That's the point I was making to him. To his
> mind, his family and neighbors were everyone, the poor
> people didn't count.
>
>>> I would not be interested in having help around all the time.
>>> Once in a while, I wouldn't mind a professional spring
>>> cleaning but I can't really justify that.
>>
>> I liked it better when I had a cleaner coming in twice a week. I hated
>> having all those people around constantly Not my choice I can tell
>> you.
>
> Really, I can't relax with people hanging around. If I hit the
> lottery for a billion dollars, I wouldn't buy a mansion because
> you have to have people cleaning it and taking care of it all the
> time.

Oh yes And they watch you all the time

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"Julie Bove" wrote:
>
>Yes. I read a lot of food history books earlier this year. At one point in
>time, everyone had servants unless they were truly poor. Women did not know
>how to cook because someone did it for them.

Not in your case... not all that long ago most everyone was a common
laborer, indentured to the landed... in your younger days you'd be my
tavern wench... then when your youth departed and you began to
constantly complain about everything you'd become a scullery peon.