"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 03:54:43 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> >
>> > "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> > . I learned to make all sorts of Italian or perhaps they were
>> >> more Italian American things that you probably won't find on any
>> >> restaurant menu but are commonly eaten at home.
>> >
>> > Share some of those recipes?
>>
>> They aren't actual recipes. I have mentioned the egg and peppers before.
>> That's the only one I can really remember. Probably because my husband's
>> relatives eat it every day. It's just a certain kind of pepper. Not
>> sure
>> what it would be called where you are. On the East Coast, depending on
>> where you live, either Italianelle or Frying Peppers. Hard to find here,
>> but sometimes called Cubanelle. They're a light green and sort of like a
>> Bell but much thinner skinned and longer. Not as good for stuffing
>> although
>> I have stuffed them because my FIL would have tons of them.
>>
>> Anyway... They are just cut in strips, fried with a little garlic, then
>> scrambled eggs are added. Cook till done and serve with Italian bread.
>
> I'm surprised you didn't learn the names of dishes. The pepper dish
> you're talking about is probably called "peperonata" (there are many
> variations) and serving it with eggs is common... the egg part is
> something I'd call "very European" and probably where people got their
> penchant to eat "breakfast for dinner" from. I'd rather have Italian
> sausage.
>>
>> I can't really tell you what all went into the other things because he
>> was
>> just barking orders at me sooo quickly. Do they have this? Do they have
>> that? If they had it, he told me to add it and how much. I do remember
>> what he told me about the pizza dough though and that has been confirmed
>> by
>> Lidia Bastianich. I had been fighting the dough because it had a
>> tendency
>> to snap back. He just told me to walk away from it for a while, come
>> back
>> and try again. If it was still snapping back, let it rest some more.
>> That
>> one never failed me!
>
> Resting pizza dough isn't a big secret. Let it rest/rise overnight in
> the refrigerator and you'll have a winner on your hands.
>
It's not enough to do that. You need to let it rest at room temp.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> I suppose if I had to cook for 7, I wouldn't be able to make a different
>> meal for everyone but I would make sure if I was serving something that
>> one or more people did not like to be sure to include something
>> comparable that they do like.
>
> Actually, with my parents, my great uncle and my grandmother that lived
> with us, there were 11. You ate what was served or you could wait until
> the next meal. Very few picky eaters back in those days since we actually
> worked as kids and were hungry at dinnertime.

I worked too and was always hungry but that doesn't mean I would eat it. A
true picky eater can go days with little to no food.

On 8/23/2014 1:34 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> "Julie Bove" wrote:
>>
>> Yes. I read a lot of food history books earlier this year. At one point in
>> time, everyone had servants unless they were truly poor. Women did not know
>> how to cook because someone did it for them.
>
> Not in your case... not all that long ago most everyone was a common
> laborer, indentured to the landed... in your younger days you'd be my
> tavern wench... then when your youth departed and you began to
> constantly complain about everything you'd become a scullery peon.
>

You have a somewhat Brit-colonial mentality it seems...

On Saturday, August 23, 2014 10:12:35 AM UTC-5, Kalmia wrote:
> On Friday, August 22, 2014 5:52:16 PM UTC-4, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
>
>
>
> > A lack of intellectual curiosity to go along with fat and lazy. Ah, but she's
>
> >
>
> > got a fine career ahead of her as the Florence Foster Jenkins of the ballet.
>
>
>
>
>
> Or Susan Alexander Kane

Oh, much worse. Have *you* seen the pix?

--Bryan

On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 12:37:09 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> > Resting pizza dough isn't a big secret. Let it rest/rise overnight in
> > the refrigerator and you'll have a winner on your hands.
> >
> It's not enough to do that. You need to let it rest at room temp.

Resting is the key. Resting at room temperature is not.


--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

On 8/23/2014 12:54 PM, Janet wrote:
> In article >, says...
>>
>
>> Yes. I read a lot of food history books earlier this year. At one point in
>> time, everyone had servants unless they were truly poor. Women did not know
>> how to cook because someone did it for them.
>
> Yes, other women, stupid.
>
> Janet UK
>
Exactly. The cooks and maids weren't men. Obviously some women knew
how to cook. A good housekeeper was apparently a true find.

My Scottish grandmother (before she married) was what was called a
ladies' maid. She attended her middle-upper class mistress, drawing her
bath, helping her to dress, doing her hair. That would have been in the
early 1900's.

Jill

On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 12:54:03 -0700 (PDT), Bryan-TGWWW
> wrote:

> On Saturday, August 23, 2014 10:12:35 AM UTC-5, Kalmia wrote:
> > On Friday, August 22, 2014 5:52:16 PM UTC-4, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > A lack of intellectual curiosity to go along with fat and lazy. Ah, but she's
> >
> > >
> >
> > > got a fine career ahead of her as the Florence Foster Jenkins of the ballet.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Or Susan Alexander Kane
>
> Oh, much worse. Have *you* seen the pix?
>
Just curious why you have.



--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 08:58:42 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 23:47:36 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > Apparently it used to be fairly common for the middle class to have
>> > someone come in once a week. Even live-in help. [That, I cannot
>> > imagine.] The world (and the cost of living) was different 50 years ago.
>> >
>> > A couple of times a year I hire a local cleaning service to do a "deep
>> > clean". The price is very reasonable. And they bring all their own
>> > cleaning supplies and equipment. They even wash the windows inside and
>> > out. They're licensed and bonded. Once a week? It would be nice, but
>> > no...
>>
>> Yes. I read a lot of food history books earlier this year. At one point in
>> time, everyone had servants unless they were truly poor. Women did not know
>> how to cook because someone did it for them. Then the economy tanked and
>> everything changed.
>
>At one point, living a life of leisure was the thing to aspire to.
>Idle and rich still go together and historically it was one of the
>reasons why the slavery flourished as long as it did here in the USA.

With her two tonne ass they've have hitched sf to a plow and retired a
team of oxen.

On Saturday, August 23, 2014 2:34:08 PM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> "Julie Bove" wrote:
>
> >
>
> >Yes. I read a lot of food history books earlier this year. At one point in
>
> >time, everyone had servants unless they were truly poor. Women did not know
>
> >how to cook because someone did it for them.
>
>
>
> Not in your case... not all that long ago most everyone was a common
>
> laborer, indentured to the landed... in your younger days you'd be my
>
> tavern wench... then when your youth departed and you began to
>
> constantly complain about everything you'd become a scullery peon.

How do you know that she only "began to constantly complain about
everything" when she got older?

--Bryan

On 8/22/2014 10:35 PM, barbie gee wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2014, Becca EmaNymton wrote:
>
>> On 8/22/2014 2:53 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 8/22/2014 11:20 AM, sf wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 00:05:10 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> She doesn't do books of any kind unless she has to.
>>>>
>>>> A cookbook with pictures could turn into something she has to use.
>>>> Otherwise she'll be watching a lot of Youtube when she wants to eat.
>>>>
>>> I guess Julie expects her daughter to live with her forever. So she can
>>> pretty much order her mother to "cook something" without ever making an
>>> attempt to learn something for herself. No books. No practical
>>> learning of any kind. Mommy's there to do it for her.
>>>
>>> All I can say is I doubt daughter will stumble onto Prince Charming who
>>> cooks and will also put up with that Princess attitude.
>>>
>>> When I was a teenager, if I had *ever* *told* my mother "Cook something
>>> for me" [by the time I get home] she'd have said, DO IT YOURSELF. I
>>> didn't think of my mother as a servant.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> Not sure how my mother would have responded to that request, but
>> probably not very well. One thing she did, before she started
>> drinking, was cook, but we never placed orders.
>>
>> We had a housekeeper, so I never saw my mother do laundry, iron
>> clothes, change the sheets, wash dishes or do housework. She was quite
>> spoiled. Us kids somehow learned how to do it when we grew up, though.
>> Mother never worked, but she kept herself busy being a social
>> butterfly. I still love her and miss her.
>
> how did she afford a housekeeper?
> I'd give my eye-teeth to have someone in once a week...

Barbie, most of the people around here had housekeepers, I think that
was common.

Our housekeeper was Bessie, after she retired, her granddaughter Ollie
Jean took her place. My sister (some of you have seen her on Facebook)
was afraid of Bessie, she mentioned this a year or two ago, and I have
no idea why she was afraid of her, she never clobbered us or anything.
She was strict, though. She was tall, skinny with long thin arms and legs.

Everybody knew everybody's housekeeper's names and there was a lot of
gossip about who was doing what. A neighbor had a cook named Rochester,
he wore a white, double-breasted chef's jacket and the white chef's hat.
He smoked great big cigars, inside the supermarket, you could follow him
by smell! He talked to the butcher's, quite a bit, about meat I assume.
He told the best jokes. They stopped allowing smoking in supermarkets.

Becca

On 23/08/2014 10:50 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 8/23/2014 5:28 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>
>>> All the years I working I had a cleaner who came in twice a week but in
>>> India we had a cook/housekeeper and a retinue of servants. I didn't
>>> like that much!
>>
>> I worked for a time with a guy from India. He bragged that
>> there, everyone had a maid!!
>
> Huh no! Not everyone had maids. Certainly there were far more poor
> people than any other
>
>> I said, even the maids? Interesting. Heh.
>>
>> I would not be interested in having help around all the time.
>> Once in a while, I wouldn't mind a professional spring
>> cleaning but I can't really justify that.
>
> I liked it better when I had a cleaner coming in twice a week. I hated
> having all those people around constantly Not my choice I can tell
> you.
>
My sister has pestered me for years about getting a cleaner in on a
regular basis. I haven't. I just don't feel comfortable with the idea.
Graham

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> "Julie Bove" wrote:
>>
>>Yes. I read a lot of food history books earlier this year. At one point
>>in
>>time, everyone had servants unless they were truly poor. Women did not
>>know
>>how to cook because someone did it for them.
>
> Not in your case... not all that long ago most everyone was a common
> laborer, indentured to the landed... in your younger days you'd be my
> tavern wench... then when your youth departed and you began to
> constantly complain about everything you'd become a scullery peon.

This wasn't in my time as I was born in 1959. This was prior to the Great
Depression.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 12:37:09 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> > Resting pizza dough isn't a big secret. Let it rest/rise overnight in
>> > the refrigerator and you'll have a winner on your hands.
>> >
>> It's not enough to do that. You need to let it rest at room temp.
>
> Resting is the key. Resting at room temperature is not.

For me it is.

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/23/2014 5:28 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>
>> All the years I working I had a cleaner who came in twice a week but in
>> India we had a cook/housekeeper and a retinue of servants. I didn't
>> like that much!
>
> I worked for a time with a guy from India. He bragged that
> there, everyone had a maid!!
>
> I said, even the maids? Interesting. Heh.
>
> I would not be interested in having help around all the time.
> Once in a while, I wouldn't mind a professional spring
> cleaning but I can't really justify that.
>
> nancy

I have a friend from India. His wife can not read or write. He often does
not live with his family as he has to move elsewhere in order to get a job.
And jobs there are not like jobs here. He has worked for 3 months in order
to prove himself only to find that they don't want him and he gets no pay.
Seemingly they can get away with pretty much anything there. They have no
maid.

On 23/08/2014 10:10 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Julie Bove" wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes. I read a lot of food history books earlier this year. At one
>>> point in
>>> time, everyone had servants unless they were truly poor. Women did
>>> not know
>>> how to cook because someone did it for them.
>>
>> Not in your case... not all that long ago most everyone was a common
>> laborer, indentured to the landed... in your younger days you'd be my
>> tavern wench... then when your youth departed and you began to
>> constantly complain about everything you'd become a scullery peon.
>
> This wasn't in my time as I was born in 1959. This was prior to the
> Great Depression.
So you're not a student of history.
Graham

> wrote in message
news
> Makes me think of my grandmothers table - food was rationed - there
> were many of us and if you piped up about not liking anything your
> plate disappeared promptly and she said "All the more for the rest of
> us" ! You'd eat anything by the next meal.

LOL, my kind of people. :-)

Cheri

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...

> I worked too and was always hungry but that doesn't mean I would eat it.
> A true picky eater can go days with little to no food.

I doubt if you worked like we worked Julie, your life stories just don't
support it. How many cows did you milk before you went to school? How many
gunny sacks of feed did you lift into hoppers just for starters? Also, as I
have told you many times, you've never been truly hungry. You can't even
imagine what true hunger is, and thankfully neither can I.

Cheri

"graham" > wrote in message
...
> On 23/08/2014 10:10 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Julie Bove" wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes. I read a lot of food history books earlier this year. At one
>>>> point in
>>>> time, everyone had servants unless they were truly poor. Women did
>>>> not know
>>>> how to cook because someone did it for them.
>>>
>>> Not in your case... not all that long ago most everyone was a common
>>> laborer, indentured to the landed... in your younger days you'd be my
>>> tavern wench... then when your youth departed and you began to
>>> constantly complain about everything you'd become a scullery peon.
>>
>> This wasn't in my time as I was born in 1959. This was prior to the
>> Great Depression.
> So you're not a student of history.
> Graham

No. I just said that I was reading books about food history.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> I worked too and was always hungry but that doesn't mean I would eat it.
>> A true picky eater can go days with little to no food.
>
> I doubt if you worked like we worked Julie, your life stories just don't
> support it. How many cows did you milk before you went to school? How many
> gunny sacks of feed did you lift into hoppers just for starters? Also, as
> I have told you many times, you've never been truly hungry. You can't even
> imagine what true hunger is, and thankfully neither can I.

I did help do that when I had to stay with my grandma in Wichita. She had a
farm. And please don't tell me that I don't know what hunger was. I was
anorexic as a teen. I was very ill and wound up becoming afraid of any and
all things that had so much as more than 10 calories in them because of what
happened to me every time I did try to eat or drink. It would be indeed TMI
to give the details here. I went to a catered Mother's Day meal where my
dad worked and after having not eaten a thing for almost two weeks and being
down to 85 pounds, I cried as I smelled the food, wanting it so badly but
fearful to eat it. Instead I opted for chicken broth from the machine.

I wound up passing out on my first day back to school with a BP so low that
my biology teacher joked that I should be dead. We were learning to take
vital signs that day. I won't bother to go into the rest of the story. I
have told it before. Probably here. Certainly on the diabetes newsgroup.
So yeah. I do know what true hunger is.

"graham" > wrote in message
...
> On 23/08/2014 10:50 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 8/23/2014 5:28 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>>> All the years I working I had a cleaner who came in twice a week but in
>>>> India we had a cook/housekeeper and a retinue of servants. I didn't
>>>> like that much!
>>>
>>> I worked for a time with a guy from India. He bragged that
>>> there, everyone had a maid!!
>>
>> Huh no! Not everyone had maids. Certainly there were far more poor
>> people than any other
>>
>>> I said, even the maids? Interesting. Heh.
>>>
>>> I would not be interested in having help around all the time.
>>> Once in a while, I wouldn't mind a professional spring
>>> cleaning but I can't really justify that.
>>
>> I liked it better when I had a cleaner coming in twice a week. I hated
>> having all those people around constantly Not my choice I can tell
>> you.
>>
> My sister has pestered me for years about getting a cleaner in on a
> regular basis. I haven't. I just don't feel comfortable with the idea.

You soon get used to it when you come home from work to find it all nice and
clean with no effort on your part)

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

> wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 21:49:20 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>> I worked too and was always hungry but that doesn't mean I would eat it.
>>> A true picky eater can go days with little to no food.
>>
>>I doubt if you worked like we worked Julie, your life stories just don't
>>support it. How many cows did you milk before you went to school? How many
>>gunny sacks of feed did you lift into hoppers just for starters? Also, as
>>I
>>have told you many times, you've never been truly hungry. You can't even
>>imagine what true hunger is, and thankfully neither can I.
>>
>>Cheri
>
> Maybe it would be a good thing for her to see children picking through
> garbage to find something to eat - there's no denying that it happens.

Much worse than that too, in some areas of the world there isn't even edible
garbage to be had.

Cheri

Becca EmaNymton wrote:
> barbie gee wrote:
>> Becca EmaNymton wrote:
>>
>>> We had a housekeeper, so I never saw my mother do laundry, iron
>>> clothes, change the sheets, wash dishes or do housework. She was quite
>>> spoiled. Us kids somehow learned how to do it when we grew up, though.
>>> Mother never worked, but she kept herself busy being a social
>>> butterfly. I still love her and miss her.
>>
>> how did she afford a housekeeper?
>> I'd give my eye-teeth to have someone in once a week...
>
>Barbie, most of the people around here had housekeepers, I think that
>was common.
>
>Our housekeeper was Bessie, after she retired, her granddaughter Ollie
>Jean took her place. My sister (some of you have seen her on Facebook)
>was afraid of Bessie, she mentioned this a year or two ago, and I have
>no idea why she was afraid of her, she never clobbered us or anything.
>She was strict, though. She was tall, skinny with long thin arms and legs.
>
>Everybody knew everybody's housekeeper's names and there was a lot of
>gossip about who was doing what. A neighbor had a cook named Rochester,
>he wore a white, double-breasted chef's jacket and the white chef's hat.
>He smoked great big cigars, inside the supermarket, you could follow him
>by smell! He talked to the butcher's, quite a bit, about meat I assume.
>He told the best jokes. They stopped allowing smoking in supermarkets.

That was back before segregation was abolished, many middle class
folks, especially in the south, had black housekeepers, often the only
work they could get... they worked for low wages plus meals and gladly
accepted hand-me-down clothing for themselves and their kids. Even in
the north lots of people had black housekeepers/cleaning ladies...
throughout my childhood my mother had Rosalie... Rosalie was a good
worker, she was thin but she had massive breasts.

On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 15:48:13 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 23/08/2014 10:50 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 8/23/2014 5:28 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>>> All the years I working I had a cleaner who came in twice a week but in
>>>> India we had a cook/housekeeper and a retinue of servants. I didn't
>>>> like that much!
>>>
>>> I worked for a time with a guy from India. He bragged that
>>> there, everyone had a maid!!
>>
>> Huh no! Not everyone had maids. Certainly there were far more poor
>> people than any other
>>
>>> I said, even the maids? Interesting. Heh.
>>>
>>> I would not be interested in having help around all the time.
>>> Once in a while, I wouldn't mind a professional spring
>>> cleaning but I can't really justify that.
>>
>> I liked it better when I had a cleaner coming in twice a week. I hated
>> having all those people around constantly Not my choice I can tell
>> you.
>>
>My sister has pestered me for years about getting a cleaner in on a
>regular basis. I haven't. I just don't feel comfortable with the idea.
>Graham

You live with your sister... ulp

On 23/08/2014 11:23 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "graham" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 23/08/2014 10:10 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> "Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> "Julie Bove" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes. I read a lot of food history books earlier this year. At one
>>>>> point in
>>>>> time, everyone had servants unless they were truly poor. Women did
>>>>> not know
>>>>> how to cook because someone did it for them.
>>>>
>>>> Not in your case... not all that long ago most everyone was a common
>>>> laborer, indentured to the landed... in your younger days you'd be my
>>>> tavern wench... then when your youth departed and you began to
>>>> constantly complain about everything you'd become a scullery peon.
>>>
>>> This wasn't in my time as I was born in 1959. This was prior to the
>>> Great Depression.
>> So you're not a student of history.
>> Graham
>
> No. I just said that I was reading books about food history.

HINT: The Great Depression was before 1959!
Graham

On Saturday, August 23, 2014 11:13:11 PM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>
> I have a friend from India. His wife can not read or write. He often does
>
> not live with his family as he has to move elsewhere in order to get a job.
>
> And jobs there are not like jobs here. He has worked for 3 months in order
>
> to prove himself only to find that they don't want him and he gets no pay.
>

All of your friends and family are defective.

--Bryan

On Sunday, August 24, 2014 12:28:51 AM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> And please don't tell me that I don't know what hunger was. I was
>
> anorexic as a teen.

Is that why you have allowed your daughter to become obese? By all
rights, she should hate you for that. By 12 years old, already doomed
to go through life as a fat woman.

--Bryan

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Cheri" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> I worked too and was always hungry but that doesn't mean I would eat it.
>>> A true picky eater can go days with little to no food.
>>
>> I doubt if you worked like we worked Julie, your life stories just don't
>> support it. How many cows did you milk before you went to school? How
>> many gunny sacks of feed did you lift into hoppers just for starters?
>> Also, as I have told you many times, you've never been truly hungry. You
>> can't even imagine what true hunger is, and thankfully neither can I.
>
> I did help do that when I had to stay with my grandma in Wichita. She had
> a farm. And please don't tell me that I don't know what hunger was. I
> was anorexic as a teen. I was very ill and wound up becoming afraid of
> any and

You don't know what true hunger is, because food was available if you chose
to eat it, and working for someone for a "stay" is much different too. Try
starvation with no food source and see how much of a picky eater you are.

Cheri

On 8/24/2014 11:05 AM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
> On Saturday, August 23, 2014 11:13:11 PM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>
>> I have a friend from India. His wife can not read or write. He often does
>>
>> not live with his family as he has to move elsewhere in order to get a job.
>>
>> And jobs there are not like jobs here. He has worked for 3 months in order
>>
>> to prove himself only to find that they don't want him and he gets no pay.
>>
>
> All of your friends and family are defective.
>
> --Bryan
>

Why do you feel the need to constantly disparage here?

What's wrong with YOU?

On 8/24/2014 11:45 AM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
> On Sunday, August 24, 2014 12:28:51 AM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> And please don't tell me that I don't know what hunger was. I was
>>
>> anorexic as a teen.
>
> Is that why you have allowed your daughter to become obese? By all
> rights, she should hate you for that. By 12 years old, already doomed
> to go through life as a fat woman.
>
> --Bryan
>
It takes a special kind of jerk to try and climb into someone's personal
life like that.

"graham" > wrote in message
...
> On 23/08/2014 11:23 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "graham" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 23/08/2014 10:10 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> "Julie Bove" wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes. I read a lot of food history books earlier this year. At one
>>>>>> point in
>>>>>> time, everyone had servants unless they were truly poor. Women did
>>>>>> not know
>>>>>> how to cook because someone did it for them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not in your case... not all that long ago most everyone was a common
>>>>> laborer, indentured to the landed... in your younger days you'd be my
>>>>> tavern wench... then when your youth departed and you began to
>>>>> constantly complain about everything you'd become a scullery peon.
>>>>
>>>> This wasn't in my time as I was born in 1959. This was prior to the
>>>> Great Depression.
>>> So you're not a student of history.
>>> Graham
>>
>> No. I just said that I was reading books about food history.
>
> HINT: The Great Depression was before 1959!
> Graham

Yes, I know. I just can't remember the exact years of this time frame and I
know if I post something wrong, I will get grief for it.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> I worked too and was always hungry but that doesn't mean I would eat
>>>> it. A true picky eater can go days with little to no food.
>>>
>>> I doubt if you worked like we worked Julie, your life stories just don't
>>> support it. How many cows did you milk before you went to school? How
>>> many gunny sacks of feed did you lift into hoppers just for starters?
>>> Also, as I have told you many times, you've never been truly hungry. You
>>> can't even imagine what true hunger is, and thankfully neither can I.
>>
>> I did help do that when I had to stay with my grandma in Wichita. She
>> had a farm. And please don't tell me that I don't know what hunger was.
>> I was anorexic as a teen. I was very ill and wound up becoming afraid of
>> any and
>
> You don't know what true hunger is, because food was available if you
> chose to eat it, and working for someone for a "stay" is much different
> too. Try starvation with no food source and see how much of a picky eater
> you are.

Again, Cheri. I was anorexic. Medically anorexic. At the time, no cause
could be found as to why I could not keep the food in me. I do not want to
go into the TMI category but I will say that I was very, very ill and came
close to death. I had a fever and had been put on all kinds of different
medications by my Dr.

Once I got better, I developed such a fear of foods that I could not bring
myself to eat because I didn't want the horrible pain that the food had
given me. I have posted of this before. Probably here and for sure on the
diabetes newsgroup. I was 5' 7" at the time and my weight fell to 85
pounds.

Yes, I had food available to me. I just was terrified to try to eat so much
as one bite because of the violent reactions that food had been giving me.

Please do not tell me that I was not truly hungry. I was so very truly
hungry that I almost died from it.

On 24/08/2014 3:46 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "graham" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 23/08/2014 11:23 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> "graham" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 23/08/2014 10:10 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> "Julie Bove" wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes. I read a lot of food history books earlier this year. At one
>>>>>>> point in
>>>>>>> time, everyone had servants unless they were truly poor. Women did
>>>>>>> not know
>>>>>>> how to cook because someone did it for them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not in your case... not all that long ago most everyone was a common
>>>>>> laborer, indentured to the landed... in your younger days you'd be my
>>>>>> tavern wench... then when your youth departed and you began to
>>>>>> constantly complain about everything you'd become a scullery peon.
>>>>>
>>>>> This wasn't in my time as I was born in 1959. This was prior to the
>>>>> Great Depression.
>>>> So you're not a student of history.
>>>> Graham
>>>
>>> No. I just said that I was reading books about food history.
>>
>> HINT: The Great Depression was before 1959!
>> Graham
>
> Yes, I know. I just can't remember the exact years of this time frame
> and I know if I post something wrong, I will get grief for it.

Then stop posting!
Graham

On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 14:52:01 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> Again, Cheri. I was anorexic. Medically anorexic. At the time, no cause
> could be found as to why I could not keep the food in me.

Every amateur psychologist here can figure out that either your
anorexia was a psychological response to a controlling mother or you
were in the beginning of your inability to digest food (see below)...
or it was caused by both issues.

<snip>
>
> Once I got better, I developed such a fear of foods that I could not bring
> myself to eat because I didn't want the horrible pain that the food had
> given me.


--

Never trust a dog to watch your food.

> On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 14:52:01 -0700, "Julie Bove"

>> Again, Cheri. I was anorexic. Medically anorexic. At the time, no
>> cause
>> could be found as to why I could not keep the food in me.

Which has nothing to do with not having food available. Obviously, you
didn't starve to death from having none available.

Cheri

On 8/25/2014 12:29 PM, Cheri wrote:
>
>
>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 14:52:01 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>
>>> Again, Cheri. I was anorexic. Medically anorexic. At the time, no
>>> cause
>>> could be found as to why I could not keep the food in me.
>
> Which has nothing to do with not having food available. Obviously, you
> didn't starve to death from having none available.
>
> Cheri

True anorexia has little to do with food intolerances or allergies as
she's claiming. It's a phobia associated with the fear of getting fat.
Anorexics look in the mirror and see a fat person rather than a
skeleton. So they avoid eating. Or purge (voluntarily, not due to
"allergies"). It's about a flawed and poor self-image and anorexia is
definitely classified as a mental illness.

Jill

On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 12:43:38 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 8/25/2014 12:29 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 14:52:01 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>
>>>> Again, Cheri. I was anorexic. Medically anorexic. At the time, no
>>>> cause
>>>> could be found as to why I could not keep the food in me.
>>
>> Which has nothing to do with not having food available. Obviously, you
>> didn't starve to death from having none available.
>>
>> Cheri
>
>True anorexia has little to do with food intolerances or allergies as
>she's claiming. It's a phobia associated with the fear of getting fat.
> Anorexics look in the mirror and see a fat person rather than a
>skeleton. So they avoid eating. Or purge (voluntarily, not due to
>"allergies"). It's about a flawed and poor self-image and anorexia is
>definitely classified as a mental illness.
>
>Jill

True and is often linked with other life-long personality disorders.
An inordinate interest in all aspects of food and preparing meals for
others is another symptom
Janet US

On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 10:49:04 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:

>On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 12:43:38 -0400, jmcquown >
>wrote:
>
>>On 8/25/2014 12:29 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 14:52:01 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>
>>>>> Again, Cheri. I was anorexic. Medically anorexic. At the time, no
>>>>> cause
>>>>> could be found as to why I could not keep the food in me.
>>>
>>> Which has nothing to do with not having food available. Obviously, you
>>> didn't starve to death from having none available.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>>True anorexia has little to do with food intolerances or allergies as
>>she's claiming. It's a phobia associated with the fear of getting fat.
>> Anorexics look in the mirror and see a fat person rather than a
>>skeleton. So they avoid eating. Or purge (voluntarily, not due to
>>"allergies"). It's about a flawed and poor self-image and anorexia is
>>definitely classified as a mental illness.
>>
>>Jill
>
>True and is often linked with other life-long personality disorders.
>An inordinate interest in all aspects of food and preparing meals for
>others is another symptom
>Janet US

I am truly sorry that I posted this. It was meant to go into the
draft folder where I keep all posts used to blow off frustration. I
hit the wrong button. Mea culpa
Janet US

On Saturday, August 23, 2014 12:00:54 AM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
> The pot roast and vegetables are going to last me a lot longer than I thought they would because daughter won't eat them and husband called to say that he wouldn't come home for dinner as they are having some dinner thing at work.

I used to tell my Ex that. I forgot I was not supposed to be hungry and strolled in late one night and asked "What's for dinner?" Hence the Ex part. LOL. (follow him)

On Sunday, August 24, 2014 1:10:32 PM UTC-5, Mayo wrote:
> On 8/24/2014 11:45 AM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, August 24, 2014 12:28:51 AM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> And please don't tell me that I don't know what hunger was. I was
>
> >>
>
> >> anorexic as a teen.
>
> >
>
> > Is that why you have allowed your daughter to become obese? By all
>
> > rights, she should hate you for that. By 12 years old, already doomed
>
> > to go through life as a fat woman.
>
> >
>
> > --Bryan
>
> >
>
> It takes a special kind of jerk to try and climb into someone's personal
>
> life like that.

Hey, she posted a link to the pix. She put hers, and her family's life out on Usenet. I think that parents that let their kids get that fat at that age are
being neglectful if not downright abusive. Julie is so deserving of
maltreatment that even the nice folks here have lost their patience with her.

--Bryan

On Monday, August 25, 2014 12:30:17 PM UTC-5, Janet Bostwick wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 10:49:04 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> >
>
> >True and is often linked with other life-long personality disorders.
>
> >An inordinate interest in all aspects of food and preparing meals for
>
> >others is another symptom
>
> >Janet US
>
>
>
> I am truly sorry that I posted this. It was meant to go into the
>
> draft folder where I keep all posts used to blow off frustration. I
>
> hit the wrong button. Mea culpa
>
Before I had read what you wrote, the thing you apologized for, I wrote,
"Julie is so deserving of maltreatment that even the nice folks here have
lost their patience with her."
See, Janet, you are the paradigm example of the nice person who is fed up
with Julie's crap, but is too nice to wail on her. I sincerely believe that you didn't mean to send that, and that it wasn't a Freudian slip posting.

You're also all nice to Sheldon, who also blows out his ass, which I don't
get. At least Julie is pathetic enough that a nice person might find her
pitiable, but Sheldon is up there with me for meanness, and posts things
that are factually incorrect on a regular basis.
>
> Janet US

--Bryan