On 8/21/2014 8:06 AM, wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Aug 2014 07:58:28 +0100, Peter Percival
> > wrote:
>
>> My can openers of this kind:
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_ope..._wheel_openers
>>
>> stop working after a while.
>>
>> My mum had a stab-and-lever type:
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_ope...pe_can_openers,
>>
>> and, in particular, one like this:
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_ope...tesOpener3.jpg.
>>
>> And I would like to buy one. If anyone can recommend a particular make
>> and model I shall be most grateful. Buy-able by mail order would be
>> most convenient.
>
> I have had one like this, for so long I can't remember how long.
>
> http://www.oxo.com/p-404-snap-lock-can-opener.aspx
>


I have used Swing-aways and Swing-away Jr's, and knock-offs. Some of
the knockoffs are as good as the original and some of them suck.

If you want something more like the stab kind, have you considered a
military "P-38"? You can carry those on your keychain, and they really
work. (I would not want to use on in a commercial kitchen)

Bob

The Other Guy wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Aug 2014 22:07:38 -0500, zxcvbob > wrote:
>
>> If you want something more like the stab kind, have you considered a
>> military "P-38"? You can carry those on your keychain, and they really
>> work. (I would not want to use on in a commercial kitchen)
>
> They work, but they leave the lid with a VERY dangerously
> sharp and ragged edge.

That is not especially problematic for me. As soon as a can is opened
it contents, if not all used immediately, are put into another
container; and the can is rinsed and binned. So the sharp edged object
is not left hanging around.

> I do have one or two around here
> that I used t take camping, but haven't used them in at
> least 20 years.

--
[Dancing is] a perpendicular expression of a horizontal desire.
G.B. Shaw quoted in /New Statesman/, 23 March 1962

Shel, I know the dishwasher isn't a good thing for these openers, but my opener doesn't
seem to have suffered. ;-))

N.

"heyjoe" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 21 Aug 2014 09:13:51 -0500, Ema Nymton wrote:
>
>> I wonder if the day
>> will ever come, that every can will have an easy open, pull tab lid, so
>> can openers are no longer a necessity.
>
> I sure hope not! Hate 'em. Those things leave more sharp edges than an
> old, frequently used and never sharpened paring knife. Just take my
> side cutter can opener to them and PRESTO! - no sharp edges. New and
> improved? NOT!
>

I have located a market that is able to obtain, straight from the source,
many of the items that end up in cans. I am thus able to prepare these food
items from fresh ingredients! What a treat!

On 8/24/2014 2:40 PM, heyjoe wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Aug 2014 09:13:51 -0500, Ema Nymton wrote:
>
>> I wonder if the day
>> will ever come, that every can will have an easy open, pull tab lid, so
>> can openers are no longer a necessity.
>
> I sure hope not! Hate 'em. Those things leave more sharp edges than an
> old, frequently used and never sharpened paring knife. Just take my
> side cutter can opener to them and PRESTO! - no sharp edges. New and
> improved? NOT!
>
>
Pull tabs can be a bit of a menace. Nothing happens, you pull, pull some
more and suddenly the top gives way!

--
Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)

Extraneous "not." in Reply To.

On 8/24/2014 1:40 PM, heyjoe wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Aug 2014 09:13:51 -0500, Ema Nymton wrote:
>
>> I wonder if the day
>> will ever come, that every can will have an easy open, pull tab lid, so
>> can openers are no longer a necessity.
>
> I sure hope not! Hate 'em. Those things leave more sharp edges than an
> old, frequently used and never sharpened paring knife. Just take my
> side cutter can opener to them and PRESTO! - no sharp edges. New and
> improved? NOT!

Heyjoe, times, they are a-changing. I heard that from Bob Dylan.

Becca

On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 13:40:51 -0500, heyjoe >
wrote:

> On Thu, 21 Aug 2014 09:13:51 -0500, Ema Nymton wrote:
>
> > I wonder if the day
> > will ever come, that every can will have an easy open, pull tab lid, so
> > can openers are no longer a necessity.
>
> I sure hope not! Hate 'em.

I don't like pull lids either. The day will come that I have
arthritis in my hands and I won't be able to open them. They are hard
enough now.

> Those things leave more sharp edges than an
> old, frequently used and never sharpened paring knife. Just take my
> side cutter can opener to them and PRESTO! - no sharp edges. New and
> improved? NOT!

I have never even come close to cutting myself on the edge of a can
lid. Any klutz who does that shouldn't be allowed to be around sharp
knives either.


--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

On 8/24/2014 4:37 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 13:40:51 -0500, heyjoe >
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 21 Aug 2014 09:13:51 -0500, Ema Nymton wrote:
>>
>>> I wonder if the day
>>> will ever come, that every can will have an easy open, pull tab lid, so
>>> can openers are no longer a necessity.
>>
>> I sure hope not! Hate 'em.
>
> I don't like pull lids either. The day will come that I have
> arthritis in my hands and I won't be able to open them. They are hard
> enough now.
>
>> Those things leave more sharp edges than an
>> old, frequently used and never sharpened paring knife. Just take my
>> side cutter can opener to them and PRESTO! - no sharp edges. New and
>> improved? NOT!
>
> I have never even come close to cutting myself on the edge of a can
> lid. Any klutz who does that shouldn't be allowed to be around sharp
> knives either.
>
>
I think you've been lucky. I have to admit that I have cut myself on
conventionally opened cans or tops. I did once have a bad cut from a can
opened with a lever-type opener but I haven't seen one of those in a
very long time; not since my short exposure to military training.

--
Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)

Extraneous "not." in Reply To.

On 8/24/2014 3:54 PM, Becca EmaNymton wrote:
> On 8/24/2014 1:40 PM, heyjoe wrote:
>> On Thu, 21 Aug 2014 09:13:51 -0500, Ema Nymton wrote:
>>
>>> I wonder if the day
>>> will ever come, that every can will have an easy open, pull tab lid, so
>>> can openers are no longer a necessity.
>>
>> I sure hope not! Hate 'em. Those things leave more sharp edges than an
>> old, frequently used and never sharpened paring knife. Just take my
>> side cutter can opener to them and PRESTO! - no sharp edges. New and
>> improved? NOT!
>
> Heyjoe, times, they are a-changing. I heard that from Bob Dylan.
>
> Becca

ROFL! Yep, that's where I heard it, too.

Jill

On 8/24/2014 4:37 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 13:40:51 -0500, heyjoe >
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 21 Aug 2014 09:13:51 -0500, Ema Nymton wrote:
>>
>>> I wonder if the day
>>> will ever come, that every can will have an easy open, pull tab lid, so
>>> can openers are no longer a necessity.
>>
>> I sure hope not! Hate 'em.
>
> I don't like pull lids either. The day will come that I have
> arthritis in my hands and I won't be able to open them. They are hard
> enough now.
>
Shortly before I got here a neighbor asked my mother if she wanted
anything from the store. She wanted some ginger ale. They brought her
a six-pack of small bottles of ginger ale. Mom couldn't twist the tops
off. Holy crap, I tried to loosen the plastic screw cap. I couldn't
get it to budge. Then, I remembered, Mom never threw any kitchen gadget
away. Ah ha! I went to the "junk drawer." Sure enough. A vintage
Bonny opener:

http://tinyurl.com/mn266tz

It worked like a charm. I still use it for stubborn twist off caps and
bottle lids.

> I have never even come close to cutting myself on the edge of a can
> lid. Any klutz who does that shouldn't be allowed to be around sharp
> knives either.
>
>
I cannot recall a time when I was ever cut by the lid of a can. I'm
smart enough not to touch them, much less run my fingers against them.
Opening cans isn't really difficult to figure out. If the lid falls
into the can, lift it out with a fork or a spoon, not your fingers.

Jill

On Thursday, August 21, 2014 2:16:31 PM UTC-4, ImStillMags wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 11:58:28 PM UTC-7, Peter Percival wrote:
>
> > My can openers of this kind:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_ope..._wheel_openers
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > stop working after a while.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > My mum had a stab-and-lever type:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_ope...pe_can_openers,
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > and, in particular, one like this:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_ope...tesOpener3.jpg.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > And I would like to buy one. If anyone can recommend a particular make
>
> >
>
> > and model I shall be most grateful. Buy-able by mail order would be
>
> >
>
> > most convenient.
>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> This post made me realize just how long it has been since I used a can opener. I have a hand held one and it hasn't been out of the drawer in several years. I guess most of the cans I use have the tab tops now.
>
> I use canned stuff rarely and the cat food has tab tops. Wow.....

I guess YOU don't have tomato paste on hand either. : ))

"heyjoe" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 13:37:29 -0700, sf wrote:
>
>> I have never even come close to cutting myself on the edge of a can
>> lid. Any klutz who does that shouldn't be allowed to be around sharp
>> knives either.
>
> I wonder how many folks recycle their tin cans. Around here the
> recycling center asks (in no uncertain terms - if you get my drift) that
> all tin cans be rinsed and free of food before putting them in the
> recycle bins. Cans that have been opened with a side cutting opener
> have an nice fitting lid to aid in rinsing the cans and the added bonus
> is no sharp edges to worry about if you hand wash the can before
> recycling.
>
> Hard as it is to believe in this day and age there are some of us that
> do not have a dish washer. Around here we wash the empty cans after the
> dishes are done and at the end tail end of this chore, all I want to do
> is get done as quickly as possible with a minimum of fuss and bother.
> Why have sharp edges on empty cans when they are so easy to avoid?

I had a can opener that did not leave sharp edges. I hated it. Why? It
left a long string of gluey looking stuff that would often land on the food
within. I don't know what it was but I know that I didn't want it in my
food.

Recycling is mandatory here in Bothell but I gather from talking to people
online that there are still some areas that either do not have it or if they
do, the recycler must drive there and take their things to them.

Not everyone wants or needs a dishwasher. I have one because it is nice to
know that I can use it if I want to. But most of the time I do not. I
rather find them to be a PITA to have to empty. I would much rather just
wash and put away as I go but... Sometimes if I have a lot of dishes all at
once, I will use it.

"Kalmia" > wrote in message
...

>> This post made me realize just how long it has been since I used a can
>> opener. I have a hand held one and it hasn't been out of the drawer in
>> several years. I guess most of the cans I use have the tab tops now.
>>
>> I use canned stuff rarely and the cat food has tab tops. Wow.....
>
> I guess YOU don't have tomato paste on hand either. : ))

I have bought the kind in the tube. I guess because it was cute. But these
days I don't make anything that calls for tomato paste. Used to be that I
used it for spaghetti sauce but I think the reason recipes used to call for
that was perhaps that it was a little cheaper or something. You had to put
in water so why not just the straight up sauce or puree? I do know that a
dab of tomato paste can add richness to a dish. I just don't apparently
make any such dishes. And the other two who live here are not overly fond
of red sauce to begin with. So... *shrugs*

On Sunday, August 24, 2014 2:02:19 PM UTC-5, Pico Rico wrote:
> "heyjoe" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > On Thu, 21 Aug 2014 09:13:51 -0500, Ema Nymton wrote:
>
> >
>
> >> I wonder if the day
>
> >> will ever come, that every can will have an easy open, pull tab lid, so
>
> >> can openers are no longer a necessity.
>
> >
>
> > I sure hope not! Hate 'em. Those things leave more sharp edges than an
>
> > old, frequently used and never sharpened paring knife. Just take my
>
> > side cutter can opener to them and PRESTO! - no sharp edges. New and
>
> > improved? NOT!
>
> >
>
>
>
> I have located a market that is able to obtain, straight from the source,
>
> many of the items that end up in cans. I am thus able to prepare these food
>
> items from fresh ingredients! What a treat!

That's not shit. I found one that has those items frozen as well as fresh,
and the frozen version is available year round. They freeze the stuff, and
it doesn't taste all crappy like canned.

--Bryan

More likely, James, the pull tab comes off and you have to get out a regular can opener anyway.

N.

On 8/24/2014 4:20 PM, jmcquown wrote:

> Shortly before I got here a neighbor asked my mother if she wanted
> anything from the store. She wanted some ginger ale. They brought her
> a six-pack of small bottles of ginger ale. Mom couldn't twist the tops
> off. Holy crap, I tried to loosen the plastic screw cap. I couldn't
> get it to budge. Then, I remembered, Mom never threw any kitchen gadget
> away. Ah ha! I went to the "junk drawer." Sure enough. A vintage
> Bonny opener:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/mn266tz
>
> It worked like a charm. I still use it for stubborn twist off caps and
> bottle lids.

snip...

You know, I am easy going and not very much flusters me, but I am
beginning to get angry and bottles that I can not open, even water
bottles. In the kitchen, I keep my nutcracker on hand and it opens
bottles perfectly. Somebody needs to come up with a way that normal
people can open bottles by hand. What do I look like, a weight lifter?

Becca

On 8/26/2014 10:58 AM, Becca EmaNymton wrote:

> You know, I am easy going and not very much flusters me, but I am
> beginning to get angry and bottles that I can not open, even water
> bottles. In the kitchen, I keep my nutcracker on hand and it opens
> bottles perfectly. Somebody needs to come up with a way that normal
> people can open bottles by hand. What do I look like, a weight lifter?

You can have a lot of hand strength and those bottle tops can
still tear up your fingers. I have a device that I used to
open seltzer bottles.

I find that some caps, if I wrap it with a rubber band, I
can get a grip and open it.

nancy

On 8/26/2014 11:06 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 8/26/2014 10:58 AM, Becca EmaNymton wrote:
>
>> You know, I am easy going and not very much flusters me, but I am
>> beginning to get angry and bottles that I can not open, even water
>> bottles. In the kitchen, I keep my nutcracker on hand and it opens
>> bottles perfectly. Somebody needs to come up with a way that normal
>> people can open bottles by hand. What do I look like, a weight lifter?
>
> You can have a lot of hand strength and those bottle tops can
> still tear up your fingers. I have a device that I used to
> open seltzer bottles.
>
> I find that some caps, if I wrap it with a rubber band, I
> can get a grip and open it.
>
> nancy
>
Twist-off beer bottles are the worst. They are hard to recognize and I
have actually cut myself trying to turn an old-fashioned crown cap and
thus I tend to reach for the opener without checking unless I am away
from home.

--
Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)

Extraneous "not." in Reply To.

Nancy Young wrote:
> Becca EmaNymton wrote:
>
>> You know, I am easy going and not very much flusters me, but I am
>> beginning to get angry at bottles that I cannot open, even water
>> bottles. In the kitchen, I keep my nutcracker on hand and it opens
>> bottles perfectly. Somebody needs to come up with a way that normal
>> people can open bottles by hand. What do I look like, a weight lifter?
>
>You can have a lot of hand strength and those bottle tops can
>still tear up your fingers. I have a device that I used to
>open seltzer bottles.
>
>I find that some caps, if I wrap it with a rubber band, I
>can get a grip and open it.

I save the small thick rubber bands that hold bunches of produce to
use on my glass ink bottles, and the caps are typically brittle like
bakelite so I darent risk pliers.

Small caps are difficult to open because you can't grip a small cap
tight enough that won't slip... I use a rubber glove, works every
time... don't even need to put it on, just use the wrist section
doubled. A sponge will work too.

On 8/24/2014 4:20 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> Ah ha! I went to the "junk drawer." Sure enough. A vintage
> Bonny opener:

I have one of those, but I'd never heard a name for it. It's the best
I've found for larger lids.

Once in a while, it helps to apply a little opposing force with the left
thumb while turning the handle, to get it to grip better. But it always
works!

-- Larry

On 8/26/2014 8:58 AM, Becca EmaNymton wrote:
> On 8/24/2014 4:20 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> Shortly before I got here a neighbor asked my mother if she wanted
>> anything from the store. She wanted some ginger ale. They brought her
>> a six-pack of small bottles of ginger ale. Mom couldn't twist the tops
>> off. Holy crap, I tried to loosen the plastic screw cap. I couldn't
>> get it to budge. Then, I remembered, Mom never threw any kitchen gadget
>> away. Ah ha! I went to the "junk drawer." Sure enough. A vintage
>> Bonny opener:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/mn266tz
>>
>> It worked like a charm. I still use it for stubborn twist off caps and
>> bottle lids.
>
> snip...
>
> You know, I am easy going and not very much flusters me, but I am
> beginning to get angry and bottles that I can not open, even water
> bottles. In the kitchen, I keep my nutcracker on hand and it opens
> bottles perfectly. Somebody needs to come up with a way that normal
> people can open bottles by hand. What do I look like, a weight lifter?
>
> Becca
>


Try this:

http://www.kitchenandcompany.com/kit...Bottle-Vise/?=

Fox Run Jar and Bottle Vise
Item #: 030734056486
MPN: Fox Run 5648
$7.99