"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 9/6/2014 11:47 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> I had a wee Fiat spider but that was more than 30 years ago.
>>
>
> Was the engine in the front or the back?

Oh crumbs, now you've got me there. I can't remember. I've had too many
cars. It was a very wee sports car though.


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On 9/7/2014 3:47 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 9/6/2014 12:08 PM, Mayo wrote:
>>> On 9/6/2014 4:02 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>> On 9/6/2014 10:48 AM, Mayo wrote:
>>>>> On 9/6/2014 2:33 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 6:44 AM, Mayo wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 3:28 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 9/5/2014 11:24 PM, JohnJohn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A Vienna sausage is a wiener, which is called a Frankfurter in
>>>>>>>>> Austria, which is also called a Frankfurter in Frankfurt.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I wonder what that call a Norwegian rat in Norway. My guess is
>>>>>>>> "Swedish
>>>>>>>> rat." My understanding is that Chinese food is called "food" in
>>>>>>>> China.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think it's the same with Italy and "Italian food" - so what else
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> one eat there?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not a big fan of pasta so I guess I'm screwed. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Not for a moment, you'd be finding wonderful grilled mackarel,
>>>>> Neopolitan pizzas, sublime grilled lamb, pork, and all manner of
>>>>> prawns
>>>>> and such.
>>>>>
>>>>> They have a very broad food spectrum.
>>>>
>>>> I love those Italians - maybe not so much their food but their cars and
>>>> films. Two out of three ain't bad. :-)
>>>
>>> Spoken like man who hasn't owned a FIAT yet...
>>>
>>> ;-)
>>
>> I've had three Fiat 124 Sport Coupes. I loved those cars.
>>
>> A funny fact about this car is that GM was so impressed with the the
>> 124 SC that they bought one and took it apart. From what they learned
>> they came out with their own version. Unfortunately, that car was the
>> Vega - and the rest is history. Very bad history. GM also was able to
>> make the Vega rust out faster than any Fiat - that's no small feat! :-)
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96NrBoT1SEU
>
> I had a wee Fiat spider but that was more than 30 years ago.
>

Along came a spider, sat down beside her and....

"Mayo" > wrote in message ...
> On 9/7/2014 3:47 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 9/6/2014 12:08 PM, Mayo wrote:
>>>> On 9/6/2014 4:02 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>> On 9/6/2014 10:48 AM, Mayo wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 2:33 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 6:44 AM, Mayo wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 3:28 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 9/5/2014 11:24 PM, JohnJohn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A Vienna sausage is a wiener, which is called a Frankfurter in
>>>>>>>>>> Austria, which is also called a Frankfurter in Frankfurt.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I wonder what that call a Norwegian rat in Norway. My guess is
>>>>>>>>> "Swedish
>>>>>>>>> rat." My understanding is that Chinese food is called "food" in
>>>>>>>>> China.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think it's the same with Italy and "Italian food" - so what else
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> one eat there?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not a big fan of pasta so I guess I'm screwed. :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not for a moment, you'd be finding wonderful grilled mackarel,
>>>>>> Neopolitan pizzas, sublime grilled lamb, pork, and all manner of
>>>>>> prawns
>>>>>> and such.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They have a very broad food spectrum.
>>>>>
>>>>> I love those Italians - maybe not so much their food but their cars
>>>>> and
>>>>> films. Two out of three ain't bad. :-)
>>>>
>>>> Spoken like man who hasn't owned a FIAT yet...
>>>>
>>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> I've had three Fiat 124 Sport Coupes. I loved those cars.
>>>
>>> A funny fact about this car is that GM was so impressed with the the
>>> 124 SC that they bought one and took it apart. From what they learned
>>> they came out with their own version. Unfortunately, that car was the
>>> Vega - and the rest is history. Very bad history. GM also was able to
>>> make the Vega rust out faster than any Fiat - that's no small feat! :-)
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96NrBoT1SEU
>>
>> I had a wee Fiat spider but that was more than 30 years ago.
>>
>
> Along came a spider, sat down beside her and....

frightened Miss Muffet away ... ;-)

You were taught that one too, eh?

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On 9/7/2014 11:19 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 9/6/2014 11:47 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I had a wee Fiat spider but that was more than 30 years ago.
>>>
>>
>> Was the engine in the front or the back?
>
> Oh crumbs, now you've got me there. I can't remember. I've had too
> many cars. It was a very wee sports car though.
>
>
Front.

The 500 was in the back.

On 9/7/2014 11:27 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Mayo" > wrote in message ...
>> On 9/7/2014 3:47 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 9/6/2014 12:08 PM, Mayo wrote:
>>>>> On 9/6/2014 4:02 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 10:48 AM, Mayo wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 2:33 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 6:44 AM, Mayo wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 3:28 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/5/2014 11:24 PM, JohnJohn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A Vienna sausage is a wiener, which is called a Frankfurter in
>>>>>>>>>>> Austria, which is also called a Frankfurter in Frankfurt.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I wonder what that call a Norwegian rat in Norway. My guess is
>>>>>>>>>> "Swedish
>>>>>>>>>> rat." My understanding is that Chinese food is called "food" in
>>>>>>>>>> China.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think it's the same with Italy and "Italian food" - so what else
>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>> one eat there?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not a big fan of pasta so I guess I'm screwed. :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not for a moment, you'd be finding wonderful grilled mackarel,
>>>>>>> Neopolitan pizzas, sublime grilled lamb, pork, and all manner of
>>>>>>> prawns
>>>>>>> and such.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They have a very broad food spectrum.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I love those Italians - maybe not so much their food but their
>>>>>> cars and
>>>>>> films. Two out of three ain't bad. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Spoken like man who hasn't owned a FIAT yet...
>>>>>
>>>>> ;-)
>>>>
>>>> I've had three Fiat 124 Sport Coupes. I loved those cars.
>>>>
>>>> A funny fact about this car is that GM was so impressed with the the
>>>> 124 SC that they bought one and took it apart. From what they learned
>>>> they came out with their own version. Unfortunately, that car was the
>>>> Vega - and the rest is history. Very bad history. GM also was able to
>>>> make the Vega rust out faster than any Fiat - that's no small feat! :-)
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96NrBoT1SEU
>>>
>>> I had a wee Fiat spider but that was more than 30 years ago.
>>>
>>
>> Along came a spider, sat down beside her and....
>
> frightened Miss Muffet away ... ;-)
>
> You were taught that one too, eh?
>
<chuckle>

Hopefully repair bills didn't send you screaming.

On 9/7/2014 7:19 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 9/6/2014 11:47 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I had a wee Fiat spider but that was more than 30 years ago.
>>>
>>
>> Was the engine in the front or the back?
>
> Oh crumbs, now you've got me there. I can't remember. I've had too
> many cars. It was a very wee sports car though.
>
>

I agree with your assessment - you've had way too many cars. Either that
or not enough.

On 9/7/2014 12:08 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On 9/7/2014 7:19 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 9/6/2014 11:47 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I had a wee Fiat spider but that was more than 30 years ago.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Was the engine in the front or the back?
>>
>> Oh crumbs, now you've got me there. I can't remember. I've had too
>> many cars. It was a very wee sports car though.
>>
>>
>
> I agree with your assessment - you've had way too many cars. Either that
> or not enough.

Is this the pork amenedment?

On Sunday, September 7, 2014 7:12:29 AM UTC-10, Mayo wrote:
> On 9/7/2014 1:55 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> > On 9/6/2014 5:41 PM, Mayo wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> Had a neighbor with one - total shop queen, but he adored it.
>
> >>
>
> >> It was a cute little wedge I have to say.
>
> >
>
> > You take the roof section off and stash it behind the seat. I thought it
>
> > was fine for going about town. As I recall, there was a cute fan that
>
> > blew on the carb to keep the gas from boiling out of the float bowl. Oh
>
> > those Italians!
>
>
>
>
>
> And it took us how much longer to come up with the Fiero?
>
>
>
> Speaking of gas - the VW Karman Ghia's used a lit gas heater - no joke.

My friend had a Karman Ghia - he had the standard VW passive heater system. That didn't work in the tropics very well. I shudder to think of having something like that where it really gets cold. The Corvair had a gasoline powered heater too. It had a separate ignition system with a spark plug and coil to fire it up. That's must have been a little noisy. It probably worked great though.

"Mayo" > wrote in message ...
> On 9/7/2014 11:19 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 9/6/2014 11:47 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I had a wee Fiat spider but that was more than 30 years ago.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Was the engine in the front or the back?
>>
>> Oh crumbs, now you've got me there. I can't remember. I've had too
>> many cars. It was a very wee sports car though.
>>
>>
> Front.
>
> The 500 was in the back.

Okay I can't remember but I will take your word for it)

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"Mayo" > wrote in message ...
> On 9/7/2014 11:27 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Mayo" > wrote in message ...
>>> On 9/7/2014 3:47 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 9/6/2014 12:08 PM, Mayo wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 4:02 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 10:48 AM, Mayo wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 2:33 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 6:44 AM, Mayo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 3:28 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/5/2014 11:24 PM, JohnJohn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> A Vienna sausage is a wiener, which is called a Frankfurter in
>>>>>>>>>>>> Austria, which is also called a Frankfurter in Frankfurt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder what that call a Norwegian rat in Norway. My guess is
>>>>>>>>>>> "Swedish
>>>>>>>>>>> rat." My understanding is that Chinese food is called "food" in
>>>>>>>>>>> China.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think it's the same with Italy and "Italian food" - so what
>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>> one eat there?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm not a big fan of pasta so I guess I'm screwed. :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not for a moment, you'd be finding wonderful grilled mackarel,
>>>>>>>> Neopolitan pizzas, sublime grilled lamb, pork, and all manner of
>>>>>>>> prawns
>>>>>>>> and such.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They have a very broad food spectrum.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I love those Italians - maybe not so much their food but their
>>>>>>> cars and
>>>>>>> films. Two out of three ain't bad. :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Spoken like man who hasn't owned a FIAT yet...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> I've had three Fiat 124 Sport Coupes. I loved those cars.
>>>>>
>>>>> A funny fact about this car is that GM was so impressed with the the
>>>>> 124 SC that they bought one and took it apart. From what they learned
>>>>> they came out with their own version. Unfortunately, that car was the
>>>>> Vega - and the rest is history. Very bad history. GM also was able to
>>>>> make the Vega rust out faster than any Fiat - that's no small feat!
>>>>> :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96NrBoT1SEU
>>>>
>>>> I had a wee Fiat spider but that was more than 30 years ago.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Along came a spider, sat down beside her and....
>>
>> frightened Miss Muffet away ... ;-)
>>
>> You were taught that one too, eh?
>>
> <chuckle>
>
> Hopefully repair bills didn't send you screaming.

For the Spider?? I don't think I had it very long, but I don't remember it
costing me a lot. I think I might have remembered if it had.



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"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 9/7/2014 7:19 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 9/6/2014 11:47 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I had a wee Fiat spider but that was more than 30 years ago.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Was the engine in the front or the back?
>>
>> Oh crumbs, now you've got me there. I can't remember. I've had too
>> many cars. It was a very wee sports car though.
>>
>>
>
> I agree with your assessment - you've had way too many cars. Either that
> or not enough.

I think it might have been too many) I have my Shogun now and I won't
change again. If this one dies, I will replace it with another

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On 9/7/2014 12:25 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, September 7, 2014 7:12:29 AM UTC-10, Mayo wrote:
>> On 9/7/2014 1:55 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/6/2014 5:41 PM, Mayo wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Had a neighbor with one - total shop queen, but he adored it.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> It was a cute little wedge I have to say.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> You take the roof section off and stash it behind the seat. I thought it
>>
>>> was fine for going about town. As I recall, there was a cute fan that
>>
>>> blew on the carb to keep the gas from boiling out of the float bowl. Oh
>>
>>> those Italians!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> And it took us how much longer to come up with the Fiero?
>>
>>
>>
>> Speaking of gas - the VW Karman Ghia's used a lit gas heater - no joke.
>
> My friend had a Karman Ghia - he had the standard VW passive heater system. That didn't work in the tropics very well. I shudder to think of having something like that where it really gets cold. The Corvair had a gasoline powered heater too. It had a separate ignition system with a spark plug and coil to fire it up. That's must have been a little noisy. It probably worked great though.
>
The notion is so frightening, yet we never saw many VWs or Corvairs
burning by the road, so I guess it was safe enough.

I can just imagine what EPA and DOT would say about that today!

On 9/7/2014 12:33 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Mayo" > wrote in message ...
>> On 9/7/2014 11:19 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 9/6/2014 11:47 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I had a wee Fiat spider but that was more than 30 years ago.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Was the engine in the front or the back?
>>>
>>> Oh crumbs, now you've got me there. I can't remember. I've had too
>>> many cars. It was a very wee sports car though.
>>>
>>>
>> Front.
>>
>> The 500 was in the back.
>
> Okay I can't remember but I will take your word for it)
>
Here, have a wee look:

http://www.motorbase.com/profiles/pi...hp?i=325922285

http://www.motorbase.com/profiles/pi...%20Spider&pp=1

Cute they were.

On 9/7/2014 12:47 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Mayo" > wrote in message ...
>> On 9/7/2014 11:27 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Mayo" > wrote in message ...
>>>> On 9/7/2014 3:47 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 12:08 PM, Mayo wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 4:02 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 10:48 AM, Mayo wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 2:33 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 6:44 AM, Mayo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 3:28 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/5/2014 11:24 PM, JohnJohn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A Vienna sausage is a wiener, which is called a Frankfurter in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Austria, which is also called a Frankfurter in Frankfurt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder what that call a Norwegian rat in Norway. My guess is
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Swedish
>>>>>>>>>>>> rat." My understanding is that Chinese food is called "food" in
>>>>>>>>>>>> China.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I think it's the same with Italy and "Italian food" - so what
>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>> one eat there?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not a big fan of pasta so I guess I'm screwed. :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not for a moment, you'd be finding wonderful grilled mackarel,
>>>>>>>>> Neopolitan pizzas, sublime grilled lamb, pork, and all manner of
>>>>>>>>> prawns
>>>>>>>>> and such.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They have a very broad food spectrum.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I love those Italians - maybe not so much their food but their
>>>>>>>> cars and
>>>>>>>> films. Two out of three ain't bad. :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Spoken like man who hasn't owned a FIAT yet...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've had three Fiat 124 Sport Coupes. I loved those cars.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A funny fact about this car is that GM was so impressed with the the
>>>>>> 124 SC that they bought one and took it apart. From what they learned
>>>>>> they came out with their own version. Unfortunately, that car was the
>>>>>> Vega - and the rest is history. Very bad history. GM also was able to
>>>>>> make the Vega rust out faster than any Fiat - that's no small
>>>>>> feat! :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96NrBoT1SEU
>>>>>
>>>>> I had a wee Fiat spider but that was more than 30 years ago.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Along came a spider, sat down beside her and....
>>>
>>> frightened Miss Muffet away ... ;-)
>>>
>>> You were taught that one too, eh?
>>>
>> <chuckle>
>>
>> Hopefully repair bills didn't send you screaming.
>
> For the Spider?? I don't think I had it very long, but I don't
> remember it costing me a lot. I think I might have remembered if it had.
>
>
>
They sure were cute, wish we'd gotten the more powerful Euro models
here, alas by the 70s they were on their way out.

"Mayo" > wrote in message ...
> On 9/7/2014 12:33 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Mayo" > wrote in message ...
>>> On 9/7/2014 11:19 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 9/6/2014 11:47 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had a wee Fiat spider but that was more than 30 years ago.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Was the engine in the front or the back?
>>>>
>>>> Oh crumbs, now you've got me there. I can't remember. I've had too
>>>> many cars. It was a very wee sports car though.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Front.
>>>
>>> The 500 was in the back.
>>
>> Okay I can't remember but I will take your word for it)
>>
> Here, have a wee look:
>
> http://www.motorbase.com/profiles/pi...hp?i=325922285

I can't say I ever take too much interest in the engines of my cars, but
looking at some of those pics... YES) Mine was a red one, just like one
in those pics)
..
Ahhh such lovely memories and I did enjoy it, but my best one of all was
still the Spitfire )))

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On Sunday, September 7, 2014 8:04:43 AM UTC-10, Mayo wrote:
> On 9/7/2014 11:19 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > "dsi1" > wrote in message
>
> > ...
>
> >> On 9/6/2014 11:47 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> I had a wee Fiat spider but that was more than 30 years ago.
>
> >>>
>
> >>
>
> >> Was the engine in the front or the back?
>
> >
>
> > Oh crumbs, now you've got me there. I can't remember. I've had too
>
> > many cars. It was a very wee sports car though.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> Front.
>
>
>
> The 500 was in the back.

In this country, Fiat had the 124 and 850 convertables. The 850 had a tiny engine in the rear. The apeal for me was that I could probably take the engine out easily to work on it. I'm betting that me and a buddy would be able to lift that thing out by hand. I should have gotten one but the one I checked out was a tad too rusty.

I sure wish I had an 850 Spider today. That would make my everyday driving a lot more enjoyable although, it might not be as fun in colder, wetter climes. The 850 had a styling that was just about perfect for it's size. Inside, the trim and parts was pretty much like it's 124 bigger brother. What the hell is there not to love?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma58EVmoBu0

"Mayo" > wrote in message ...
> On 9/7/2014 12:47 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Mayo" > wrote in message ...
>>> On 9/7/2014 11:27 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Mayo" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 9/7/2014 3:47 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 12:08 PM, Mayo wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 4:02 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 10:48 AM, Mayo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 2:33 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 6:44 AM, Mayo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 3:28 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/5/2014 11:24 PM, JohnJohn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A Vienna sausage is a wiener, which is called a Frankfurter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Austria, which is also called a Frankfurter in Frankfurt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder what that call a Norwegian rat in Norway. My guess is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Swedish
>>>>>>>>>>>>> rat." My understanding is that Chinese food is called "food"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> China.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think it's the same with Italy and "Italian food" - so what
>>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>> one eat there?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not a big fan of pasta so I guess I'm screwed. :-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not for a moment, you'd be finding wonderful grilled mackarel,
>>>>>>>>>> Neopolitan pizzas, sublime grilled lamb, pork, and all manner of
>>>>>>>>>> prawns
>>>>>>>>>> and such.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They have a very broad food spectrum.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I love those Italians - maybe not so much their food but their
>>>>>>>>> cars and
>>>>>>>>> films. Two out of three ain't bad. :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Spoken like man who hasn't owned a FIAT yet...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've had three Fiat 124 Sport Coupes. I loved those cars.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A funny fact about this car is that GM was so impressed with the the
>>>>>>> 124 SC that they bought one and took it apart. From what they
>>>>>>> learned
>>>>>>> they came out with their own version. Unfortunately, that car was
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Vega - and the rest is history. Very bad history. GM also was able
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> make the Vega rust out faster than any Fiat - that's no small
>>>>>>> feat! :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96NrBoT1SEU
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had a wee Fiat spider but that was more than 30 years ago.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Along came a spider, sat down beside her and....
>>>>
>>>> frightened Miss Muffet away ... ;-)
>>>>
>>>> You were taught that one too, eh?
>>>>
>>> <chuckle>
>>>
>>> Hopefully repair bills didn't send you screaming.
>>
>> For the Spider?? I don't think I had it very long, but I don't
>> remember it costing me a lot. I think I might have remembered if it had.
>>
>>
>>
> They sure were cute, wish we'd gotten the more powerful Euro models here,
> alas by the 70s they were on their way out.

Mine was from Italy but I don't remember it being very powerful Left hand
drive which was unusual here. I had another lhd drive too, but I just can't
remember what it was.

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On 9/7/2014 1:29 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Mayo" > wrote in message ...
>> On 9/7/2014 12:33 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Mayo" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 9/7/2014 11:19 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 11:47 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I had a wee Fiat spider but that was more than 30 years ago.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Was the engine in the front or the back?
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh crumbs, now you've got me there. I can't remember. I've had too
>>>>> many cars. It was a very wee sports car though.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Front.
>>>>
>>>> The 500 was in the back.
>>>
>>> Okay I can't remember but I will take your word for it)
>>>
>> Here, have a wee look:
>>
>> http://www.motorbase.com/profiles/pi...hp?i=325922285
>
> I can't say I ever take too much interest in the engines of my cars, but
> looking at some of those pics... YES) Mine was a red one, just like
> one in those pics)
> .
> Ahhh such lovely memories and I did enjoy it, but my best one of all was
> still the Spitfire )))
>
Those were so very cool, and so uniquely British as well.

I retain an affinity for the TR6 - we saw quite a few stateside.

On 9/7/2014 1:32 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, September 7, 2014 8:04:43 AM UTC-10, Mayo wrote:
>> On 9/7/2014 11:19 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>
>>> ...
>>
>>>> On 9/6/2014 11:47 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> I had a wee Fiat spider but that was more than 30 years ago.
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Was the engine in the front or the back?
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Oh crumbs, now you've got me there. I can't remember. I've had too
>>
>>> many cars. It was a very wee sports car though.
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>> Front.
>>
>>
>>
>> The 500 was in the back.
>
> In this country, Fiat had the 124 and 850 convertables. The 850 had a tiny engine in the rear. The apeal for me was that I could probably take the engine out easily to work on it. I'm betting that me and a buddy would be able to lift that thing out by hand. I should have gotten one but the one I checked out was a tad too rusty.
>
> I sure wish I had an 850 Spider today. That would make my everyday driving a lot more enjoyable although, it might not be as fun in colder, wetter climes. The 850 had a styling that was just about perfect for it's size. Inside, the trim and parts was pretty much like it's 124 bigger brother. What the hell is there not to love?
>
> www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma58EVmoBu0
>
I can only recall seeing maybe one other in my days - mostly we saw the
Spider Veloce and the Cinquecento.

It does have a roomy cabin, doesn't it?

Italian cars always have that 'ape arms' driving position, they seemed
immune to tilt and telescoping steering wheels.

"Mayo" > wrote in message ...
> On 9/7/2014 1:29 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Mayo" > wrote in message ...
>>> On 9/7/2014 12:33 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Mayo" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 9/7/2014 11:19 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 11:47 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I had a wee Fiat spider but that was more than 30 years ago.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Was the engine in the front or the back?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh crumbs, now you've got me there. I can't remember. I've had too
>>>>>> many cars. It was a very wee sports car though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Front.
>>>>>
>>>>> The 500 was in the back.
>>>>
>>>> Okay I can't remember but I will take your word for it)
>>>>
>>> Here, have a wee look:
>>>
>>> http://www.motorbase.com/profiles/pi...hp?i=325922285
>>
>> I can't say I ever take too much interest in the engines of my cars, but
>> looking at some of those pics... YES) Mine was a red one, just like
>> one in those pics)
>> .
>> Ahhh such lovely memories and I did enjoy it, but my best one of all was
>> still the Spitfire )))
>>
> Those were so very cool, and so uniquely British as well.
>
> I retain an affinity for the TR6 - we saw quite a few stateside.

Oh yes I have never driven one, but nice cars!

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On 9/7/2014 1:12 PM, Mayo wrote:

>
> And it took us how much longer to come up with the Fiero?
>
> Speaking of gas - the VW Karman Ghia's used a lit gas heater - no joke.
>
>
Mine did not. I had a '64 convertible and a '70 coupe and heat was
through air passing over the engine and ducted to the cabin.

The 1960 Corvair had a gas heater though. My '62 was hot air though.
Even in the summer. I blocked the vents with aluminum foil.

On 9/7/2014 9:01 AM, Mayo wrote:
>
> The notion is so frightening, yet we never saw many VWs or Corvairs
> burning by the road, so I guess it was safe enough.
>
> I can just imagine what EPA and DOT would say about that today!

The air cooled VWs were famous for engine fires. The VW engineers at the
time were not interested in proper fuel line connections or using what
we call "clamps" on certain hoses and the fittings on the carbs tended
to leak. When I say "engine fires" I literally mean engine fires. The
alloy they used on the early ones would ignite and burn so hot it looked
like the sun was in the rear dripping hot drops of molten sunlight. It's
an awesome sight to see.

On 9/7/2014 1:54 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Mayo" > wrote in message ...
>> On 9/7/2014 1:29 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Mayo" > wrote in message ...
>>>> On 9/7/2014 12:33 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Mayo" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On 9/7/2014 11:19 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 11:47 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I had a wee Fiat spider but that was more than 30 years ago.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Was the engine in the front or the back?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh crumbs, now you've got me there. I can't remember. I've had too
>>>>>>> many cars. It was a very wee sports car though.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Front.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The 500 was in the back.
>>>>>
>>>>> Okay I can't remember but I will take your word for it)
>>>>>
>>>> Here, have a wee look:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.motorbase.com/profiles/pi...hp?i=325922285
>>>
>>> I can't say I ever take too much interest in the engines of my cars, but
>>> looking at some of those pics... YES) Mine was a red one, just like
>>> one in those pics)
>>> .
>>> Ahhh such lovely memories and I did enjoy it, but my best one of all was
>>> still the Spitfire )))
>>>
>> Those were so very cool, and so uniquely British as well.
>>
>> I retain an affinity for the TR6 - we saw quite a few stateside.
>
> Oh yes I have never driven one, but nice cars!
>
And the sparkling Sunbeam Tiger, with the small V8, that's another beauty!

"Mayo" > wrote in message ...
> On 9/7/2014 1:32 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Sunday, September 7, 2014 8:04:43 AM UTC-10, Mayo wrote:
>>> On 9/7/2014 11:19 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>> ...
>>>
>>>>> On 9/6/2014 11:47 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> I had a wee Fiat spider but that was more than 30 years ago.
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> Was the engine in the front or the back?
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Oh crumbs, now you've got me there. I can't remember. I've had too
>>>
>>>> many cars. It was a very wee sports car though.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Front.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The 500 was in the back.
>>
>> In this country, Fiat had the 124 and 850 convertables. The 850 had a
>> tiny engine in the rear. The apeal for me was that I could probably take
>> the engine out easily to work on it. I'm betting that me and a buddy
>> would be able to lift that thing out by hand. I should have gotten one
>> but the one I checked out was a tad too rusty.
>>
>> I sure wish I had an 850 Spider today. That would make my everyday
>> driving a lot more enjoyable although, it might not be as fun in colder,
>> wetter climes. The 850 had a styling that was just about perfect for it's
>> size. Inside, the trim and parts was pretty much like it's 124 bigger
>> brother. What the hell is there not to love?
>>
>> www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma58EVmoBu0
>>
> I can only recall seeing maybe one other in my days - mostly we saw the
> Spider Veloce

Alpha Romeo?? Yes! I mentioned I had another lfd! it was an Alpha Romeo
Sprint!

>and the Cinquecento.

I don't know if the Cinquecento you are talking about are the same as the
ones we had here, but they were really small boxy cars. Not sporty at all.

> It does have a roomy cabin, doesn't it?
>
> Italian cars always have that 'ape arms' driving position, they seemed
> immune to tilt and telescoping steering wheels.

I don't remember having problems with my Spider.

Oh my! You are really taking me down memory lane)

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On 9/7/2014 1:59 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 9/7/2014 1:12 PM, Mayo wrote:
>
>>
>> And it took us how much longer to come up with the Fiero?
>>
>> Speaking of gas - the VW Karman Ghia's used a lit gas heater - no joke.
>>
>>
> Mine did not. I had a '64 convertible and a '70 coupe and heat was
> through air passing over the engine and ducted to the cabin.
>
> The 1960 Corvair had a gas heater though. My '62 was hot air though.
> Even in the summer. I blocked the vents with aluminum foil.
>
http://motorparts723v.com/store/vw_gas_heater.html

Tiny things, weren't they?

On 9/7/2014 2:03 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On 9/7/2014 9:01 AM, Mayo wrote:
>>
>> The notion is so frightening, yet we never saw many VWs or Corvairs
>> burning by the road, so I guess it was safe enough.
>>
>> I can just imagine what EPA and DOT would say about that today!
>
> The air cooled VWs were famous for engine fires. The VW engineers at the
> time were not interested in proper fuel line connections or using what
> we call "clamps" on certain hoses and the fittings on the carbs tended
> to leak. When I say "engine fires" I literally mean engine fires. The
> alloy they used on the early ones would ignite and burn so hot it looked
> like the sun was in the rear dripping hot drops of molten sunlight. It's
> an awesome sight to see.

Wow, beautifully described!

I mean assuming it's not my car...

:-)

On Saturday, September 6, 2014 5:08:55 PM UTC-5, Mayo wrote:
> On 9/6/2014 4:02 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> > On 9/6/2014 10:48 AM, Mayo wrote:
>
> >> On 9/6/2014 2:33 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> >>> On 9/6/2014 6:44 AM, Mayo wrote:
>
> >>>> On 9/6/2014 3:28 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> >>>>> On 9/5/2014 11:24 PM, JohnJohn wrote:
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>> A Vienna sausage is a wiener, which is called a Frankfurter in
>
> >>>>>> Austria, which is also called a Frankfurter in Frankfurt.
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>> I wonder what that call a Norwegian rat in Norway. My guess is
>
> >>>>> "Swedish
>
> >>>>> rat." My understanding is that Chinese food is called "food" in China.
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> LOL!
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> I think it's the same with Italy and "Italian food" - so what else
>
> >>>> would
>
> >>>> one eat there?
>
> >>>
>
> >>> I'm not a big fan of pasta so I guess I'm screwed. :-)
>
> >>
>
> >> Not for a moment, you'd be finding wonderful grilled mackarel,
>
> >> Neopolitan pizzas, sublime grilled lamb, pork, and all manner of prawns
>
> >> and such.
>
> >>
>
> >> They have a very broad food spectrum.
>
> >
>
> > I love those Italians - maybe not so much their food but their cars and
>
> > films. Two out of three ain't bad. :-)
>
>
>
> Spoken like man who hasn't owned a FIAT yet...
>
I've owned a 128 sedan (Italian taxi), and a Bertone X 1/9. The X 1/9
had a faulty generator, and I ended up getting rid of it over wiring
harness issues, but that car was super fun to drive, and I like Italian
food too, but prefer French films.
>
> ;-)

--Bryan

On Sunday, September 7, 2014 2:55:18 AM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> On 9/6/2014 5:41 PM, Mayo wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Had a neighbor with one - total shop queen, but he adored it.
>
> >
>
> > It was a cute little wedge I have to say.
>
>
>
> You take the roof section off and stash it behind the seat.
>

No. Not the X 1/9. The roof went in the front trunk. I took that thing on and off a lot of times.

--Bryan

On 9/7/2014 2:07 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Mayo" > wrote in message ...
>> On 9/7/2014 1:32 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Sunday, September 7, 2014 8:04:43 AM UTC-10, Mayo wrote:
>>>> On 9/7/2014 11:19 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 11:47 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> I had a wee Fiat spider but that was more than 30 years ago.
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Was the engine in the front or the back?
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Oh crumbs, now you've got me there. I can't remember. I've had too
>>>>
>>>>> many cars. It was a very wee sports car though.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Front.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The 500 was in the back.
>>>
>>> In this country, Fiat had the 124 and 850 convertables. The 850 had a
>>> tiny engine in the rear. The apeal for me was that I could probably take
>>> the engine out easily to work on it. I'm betting that me and a buddy
>>> would be able to lift that thing out by hand. I should have gotten one
>>> but the one I checked out was a tad too rusty.
>>>
>>> I sure wish I had an 850 Spider today. That would make my everyday
>>> driving a lot more enjoyable although, it might not be as fun in colder,
>>> wetter climes. The 850 had a styling that was just about perfect for
>>> it's
>>> size. Inside, the trim and parts was pretty much like it's 124 bigger
>>> brother. What the hell is there not to love?
>>>
>>> www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma58EVmoBu0
>>>
>> I can only recall seeing maybe one other in my days - mostly we saw the
>> Spider Veloce
>
> Alpha Romeo?? Yes! I mentioned I had another lfd! it was an Alpha Romeo
> Sprint!

You sir are an enthusiast!

And when I was in college one of the rich kids had an Ivory Giulietta 2
door sports coupe - oh the chrome, oh the curves, oh...

>> and the Cinquecento.
>
> I don't know if the Cinquecento you are talking about are the same as the
> ones we had here, but they were really small boxy cars. Not sporty at all.

They're the first 500s - not quite as cute as these new ones.

>> It does have a roomy cabin, doesn't it?
>>
>> Italian cars always have that 'ape arms' driving position, they seemed
>> immune to tilt and telescoping steering wheels.
>
> I don't remember having problems with my Spider.
>
> Oh my! You are really taking me down memory lane)

It was never my intention to imply you have simian arms ... ;-)

This be fun.

On 9/7/2014 2:29 PM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
> On Saturday, September 6, 2014 5:08:55 PM UTC-5, Mayo wrote:
>> On 9/6/2014 4:02 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/6/2014 10:48 AM, Mayo wrote:
>>
>>>> On 9/6/2014 2:33 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>>>>> On 9/6/2014 6:44 AM, Mayo wrote:
>>
>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 3:28 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> On 9/5/2014 11:24 PM, JohnJohn wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>> A Vienna sausage is a wiener, which is called a Frankfurter in
>>
>>>>>>>> Austria, which is also called a Frankfurter in Frankfurt.
>>
>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>> I wonder what that call a Norwegian rat in Norway. My guess is
>>
>>>>>>> "Swedish
>>
>>>>>>> rat." My understanding is that Chinese food is called "food" in China.
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>> LOL!
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>> I think it's the same with Italy and "Italian food" - so what else
>>
>>>>>> would
>>
>>>>>> one eat there?
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> I'm not a big fan of pasta so I guess I'm screwed. :-)
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Not for a moment, you'd be finding wonderful grilled mackarel,
>>
>>>> Neopolitan pizzas, sublime grilled lamb, pork, and all manner of prawns
>>
>>>> and such.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> They have a very broad food spectrum.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> I love those Italians - maybe not so much their food but their cars and
>>
>>> films. Two out of three ain't bad. :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> Spoken like man who hasn't owned a FIAT yet...
>>
> I've owned a 128 sedan (Italian taxi), and a Bertone X 1/9. The X 1/9
> had a faulty generator, and I ended up getting rid of it over wiring
> harness issues, but that car was super fun to drive, and I like Italian
> food too, but prefer French films.
>>
>> ;-)
>
> --Bryan
>
Over Fellini and Bertolucci?

Pagan!

"Mayo" > wrote in message ...
> On 9/7/2014 2:07 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Mayo" > wrote in message ...
>>> On 9/7/2014 1:32 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, September 7, 2014 8:04:43 AM UTC-10, Mayo wrote:
>>>>> On 9/7/2014 11:19 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 11:47 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I had a wee Fiat spider but that was more than 30 years ago.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Was the engine in the front or the back?
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh crumbs, now you've got me there. I can't remember. I've had too
>>>>>
>>>>>> many cars. It was a very wee sports car though.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Front.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The 500 was in the back.
>>>>
>>>> In this country, Fiat had the 124 and 850 convertables. The 850 had a
>>>> tiny engine in the rear. The apeal for me was that I could probably
>>>> take
>>>> the engine out easily to work on it. I'm betting that me and a buddy
>>>> would be able to lift that thing out by hand. I should have gotten one
>>>> but the one I checked out was a tad too rusty.
>>>>
>>>> I sure wish I had an 850 Spider today. That would make my everyday
>>>> driving a lot more enjoyable although, it might not be as fun in
>>>> colder,
>>>> wetter climes. The 850 had a styling that was just about perfect for
>>>> it's
>>>> size. Inside, the trim and parts was pretty much like it's 124 bigger
>>>> brother. What the hell is there not to love?
>>>>
>>>> www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma58EVmoBu0
>>>>
>>> I can only recall seeing maybe one other in my days - mostly we saw the
>>> Spider Veloce
>>
>> Alpha Romeo?? Yes! I mentioned I had another lfd! it was an Alpha
>> Romeo
>> Sprint!
>
> You sir are an enthusiast!

Sir??? Whatchit pal


> And when I was in college one of the rich kids had an Ivory Giulietta 2
> door sports coupe - oh the chrome, oh the curves, oh...

I've seen pics ... but ... sigh.


>>> and the Cinquecento.
>>
>> I don't know if the Cinquecento you are talking about are the same as the
>> ones we had here, but they were really small boxy cars. Not sporty at
>> all.
>
> They're the first 500s - not quite as cute as these new ones.
>
>>> It does have a roomy cabin, doesn't it?
>>>
>>> Italian cars always have that 'ape arms' driving position, they seemed
>>> immune to tilt and telescoping steering wheels.
>>
>> I don't remember having problems with my Spider.
>>
>> Oh my! You are really taking me down memory lane)
>
> It was never my intention to imply you have simian arms ... ;-)
>
> This be fun.

I am going to have to get my memory working better though)


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"Mayo" > wrote in message ...
> On 9/7/2014 1:54 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Mayo" > wrote in message ...
>>> On 9/7/2014 1:29 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Mayo" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 9/7/2014 12:33 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Mayo" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> On 9/7/2014 11:19 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 11:47 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I had a wee Fiat spider but that was more than 30 years ago.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Was the engine in the front or the back?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh crumbs, now you've got me there. I can't remember. I've had
>>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>>> many cars. It was a very wee sports car though.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Front.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The 500 was in the back.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Okay I can't remember but I will take your word for it)
>>>>>>
>>>>> Here, have a wee look:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.motorbase.com/profiles/pi...hp?i=325922285
>>>>
>>>> I can't say I ever take too much interest in the engines of my cars,
>>>> but
>>>> looking at some of those pics... YES) Mine was a red one, just like
>>>> one in those pics)
>>>> .
>>>> Ahhh such lovely memories and I did enjoy it, but my best one of all
>>>> was
>>>> still the Spitfire )))
>>>>
>>> Those were so very cool, and so uniquely British as well.
>>>
>>> I retain an affinity for the TR6 - we saw quite a few stateside.
>>
>> Oh yes I have never driven one, but nice cars!
>>
> And the sparkling Sunbeam Tiger, with the small V8, that's another beauty!

I remember Sunbeam but not that model.



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On 9/7/2014 2:55 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Mayo" > wrote in message ...
>> On 9/7/2014 2:07 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Mayo" > wrote in message ...
>>>> On 9/7/2014 1:32 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, September 7, 2014 8:04:43 AM UTC-10, Mayo wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/7/2014 11:19 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 11:47 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I had a wee Fiat spider but that was more than 30 years ago.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Was the engine in the front or the back?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh crumbs, now you've got me there. I can't remember. I've had too
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> many cars. It was a very wee sports car though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Front.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The 500 was in the back.
>>>>>
>>>>> In this country, Fiat had the 124 and 850 convertables. The 850 had a
>>>>> tiny engine in the rear. The apeal for me was that I could probably
>>>>> take
>>>>> the engine out easily to work on it. I'm betting that me and a buddy
>>>>> would be able to lift that thing out by hand. I should have gotten one
>>>>> but the one I checked out was a tad too rusty.
>>>>>
>>>>> I sure wish I had an 850 Spider today. That would make my everyday
>>>>> driving a lot more enjoyable although, it might not be as fun in
>>>>> colder,
>>>>> wetter climes. The 850 had a styling that was just about perfect for
>>>>> it's
>>>>> size. Inside, the trim and parts was pretty much like it's 124 bigger
>>>>> brother. What the hell is there not to love?
>>>>>
>>>>> www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma58EVmoBu0
>>>>>
>>>> I can only recall seeing maybe one other in my days - mostly we saw the
>>>> Spider Veloce
>>>
>>> Alpha Romeo?? Yes! I mentioned I had another lfd! it was an Alpha
>>> Romeo
>>> Sprint!
>>
>> You sir are an enthusiast!
>
> Sir??? Whatchit pal

Sorry, idiomatic saying!

>> And when I was in college one of the rich kids had an Ivory Giulietta 2
>> door sports coupe - oh the chrome, oh the curves, oh...
>
> I've seen pics ... but ... sigh.

Oh yeah.

>>>> and the Cinquecento.
>>>
>>> I don't know if the Cinquecento you are talking about are the same as
>>> the
>>> ones we had here, but they were really small boxy cars. Not sporty at
>>> all.
>>
>> They're the first 500s - not quite as cute as these new ones.
>>
>>>> It does have a roomy cabin, doesn't it?
>>>>
>>>> Italian cars always have that 'ape arms' driving position, they seemed
>>>> immune to tilt and telescoping steering wheels.
>>>
>>> I don't remember having problems with my Spider.
>>>
>>> Oh my! You are really taking me down memory lane)
>>
>> It was never my intention to imply you have simian arms ... ;-)
>>
>> This be fun.
>
> I am going to have to get my memory working better though)

That's what wiki is here for.

;-)

On 9/7/2014 2:55 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Mayo" > wrote in message ...
>> On 9/7/2014 1:54 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Mayo" > wrote in message ...
>>>> On 9/7/2014 1:29 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Mayo" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On 9/7/2014 12:33 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Mayo" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> On 9/7/2014 11:19 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 11:47 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I had a wee Fiat spider but that was more than 30 years ago.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Was the engine in the front or the back?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh crumbs, now you've got me there. I can't remember. I've had
>>>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>>>> many cars. It was a very wee sports car though.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Front.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The 500 was in the back.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Okay I can't remember but I will take your word for it)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here, have a wee look:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.motorbase.com/profiles/pi...hp?i=325922285
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't say I ever take too much interest in the engines of my cars,
>>>>> but
>>>>> looking at some of those pics... YES) Mine was a red one, just like
>>>>> one in those pics)
>>>>> .
>>>>> Ahhh such lovely memories and I did enjoy it, but my best one of all
>>>>> was
>>>>> still the Spitfire )))
>>>>>
>>>> Those were so very cool, and so uniquely British as well.
>>>>
>>>> I retain an affinity for the TR6 - we saw quite a few stateside.
>>>
>>> Oh yes I have never driven one, but nice cars!
>>>
>> And the sparkling Sunbeam Tiger, with the small V8, that's another
>> beauty!
>
> I remember Sunbeam but not that model.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunbeam_Tiger

Cute little buggy, no?

So many really cool looking cars came out of the UK back in the day.

The original XKE is still for my money the sexiest sports car ever made.

Take that, Dino fans...

;-)

On 9/7/2014 2:59 PM, JohnJohn wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Sep 2014 21:41:49 -0600, Mayo > wrote:
>
>> On 9/6/2014 9:13 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On 9/6/2014 3:39 PM, Mayo wrote:
>>>> On 9/6/2014 5:22 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>> On 9/6/2014 12:08 PM, Mayo wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 4:02 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 10:48 AM, Mayo wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 2:33 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 6:44 AM, Mayo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 3:28 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/5/2014 11:24 PM, JohnJohn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> A Vienna sausage is a wiener, which is called a Frankfurter in
>>>>>>>>>>>> Austria, which is also called a Frankfurter in Frankfurt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder what that call a Norwegian rat in Norway. My guess is
>>>>>>>>>>> "Swedish
>>>>>>>>>>> rat." My understanding is that Chinese food is called "food" in
>>>>>>>>>>> China.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think it's the same with Italy and "Italian food" - so what else
>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>> one eat there?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm not a big fan of pasta so I guess I'm screwed. :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not for a moment, you'd be finding wonderful grilled mackarel,
>>>>>>>> Neopolitan pizzas, sublime grilled lamb, pork, and all manner of
>>>>>>>> prawns
>>>>>>>> and such.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They have a very broad food spectrum.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I love those Italians - maybe not so much their food but their cars
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> films. Two out of three ain't bad. :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Spoken like man who hasn't owned a FIAT yet...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> I've had three Fiat 124 Sport Coupes. I loved those cars.
>>>>
>>>> You must be the luckiest man on earth then!
>>>>
>>>> Did you cut some special deal with Tony?
>>>
>>> I sure did. I'd say "Fix It Again, Tony" and then hand him some loot.
>>> Actually, I did all the work myself.
>>
>> Good on you.
>>
>> That 124 also became the Russian Lada, iirc...
>
> Yes, I had one. After half a year, it didn't pass the safety test
> because "it was about to break in two". I always thought it acted
> weird going around bends.
>
Wow.

And they say the Yugos were bad...

That's Trabant bad!

On 9/7/2014 3:01 PM, JohnJohn wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Sep 2014 14:49:57 -0600, Mayo > wrote:
>
>> On 9/7/2014 2:29 PM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
>>> On Saturday, September 6, 2014 5:08:55 PM UTC-5, Mayo wrote:
>>>> On 9/6/2014 4:02 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/6/2014 10:48 AM, Mayo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 2:33 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 6:44 AM, Mayo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 3:28 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 9/5/2014 11:24 PM, JohnJohn wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A Vienna sausage is a wiener, which is called a Frankfurter in
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Austria, which is also called a Frankfurter in Frankfurt.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I wonder what that call a Norwegian rat in Norway. My guess is
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Swedish
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> rat." My understanding is that Chinese food is called "food" in China.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think it's the same with Italy and "Italian food" - so what else
>>>>
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>
>>>>>>>> one eat there?
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not a big fan of pasta so I guess I'm screwed. :-)
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Not for a moment, you'd be finding wonderful grilled mackarel,
>>>>
>>>>>> Neopolitan pizzas, sublime grilled lamb, pork, and all manner of prawns
>>>>
>>>>>> and such.
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> They have a very broad food spectrum.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I love those Italians - maybe not so much their food but their cars and
>>>>
>>>>> films. Two out of three ain't bad. :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Spoken like man who hasn't owned a FIAT yet...
>>>>
>>> I've owned a 128 sedan (Italian taxi), and a Bertone X 1/9. The X 1/9
>>> had a faulty generator, and I ended up getting rid of it over wiring
>>> harness issues, but that car was super fun to drive, and I like Italian
>>> food too, but prefer French films.
>>>>
>>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> --Bryan
>>>
>> Over Fellini and Bertolucci?
>>
>> Pagan!
>
> French cinema's great. Italians and their poor dubbing... nah.
>
Their women more than make up for the asynchronous lip action...
;-)

On 9/7/2014 2:59 PM, JohnJohn wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Sep 2014 21:41:49 -0600, Mayo > wrote:
>
>> On 9/6/2014 9:13 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On 9/6/2014 3:39 PM, Mayo wrote:
>>>> On 9/6/2014 5:22 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>> On 9/6/2014 12:08 PM, Mayo wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 4:02 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 10:48 AM, Mayo wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 2:33 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 6:44 AM, Mayo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 3:28 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/5/2014 11:24 PM, JohnJohn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> A Vienna sausage is a wiener, which is called a Frankfurter in
>>>>>>>>>>>> Austria, which is also called a Frankfurter in Frankfurt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder what that call a Norwegian rat in Norway. My guess is
>>>>>>>>>>> "Swedish
>>>>>>>>>>> rat." My understanding is that Chinese food is called "food" in
>>>>>>>>>>> China.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think it's the same with Italy and "Italian food" - so what else
>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>> one eat there?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm not a big fan of pasta so I guess I'm screwed. :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not for a moment, you'd be finding wonderful grilled mackarel,
>>>>>>>> Neopolitan pizzas, sublime grilled lamb, pork, and all manner of
>>>>>>>> prawns
>>>>>>>> and such.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They have a very broad food spectrum.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I love those Italians - maybe not so much their food but their cars
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> films. Two out of three ain't bad. :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Spoken like man who hasn't owned a FIAT yet...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> I've had three Fiat 124 Sport Coupes. I loved those cars.
>>>>
>>>> You must be the luckiest man on earth then!
>>>>
>>>> Did you cut some special deal with Tony?
>>>
>>> I sure did. I'd say "Fix It Again, Tony" and then hand him some loot.
>>> Actually, I did all the work myself.
>>
>> Good on you.
>>
>> That 124 also became the Russian Lada, iirc...
>
> Yes, I had one. After half a year, it didn't pass the safety test
> because "it was about to break in two". I always thought it acted
> weird going around bends.
>
Quick challenge for you also - name your favorite Aussie car, past or
present.

On 9/7/2014 3:35 PM, JohnJohn wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Sep 2014 15:26:53 -0600, Mayo > wrote:
>
>> On 9/7/2014 2:59 PM, JohnJohn wrote:
>>> On Sat, 06 Sep 2014 21:41:49 -0600, Mayo > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/6/2014 9:13 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>> On 9/6/2014 3:39 PM, Mayo wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 5:22 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 12:08 PM, Mayo wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 4:02 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 10:48 AM, Mayo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 2:33 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 6:44 AM, Mayo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 3:28 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/5/2014 11:24 PM, JohnJohn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A Vienna sausage is a wiener, which is called a Frankfurter in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Austria, which is also called a Frankfurter in Frankfurt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder what that call a Norwegian rat in Norway. My guess is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Swedish
>>>>>>>>>>>>> rat." My understanding is that Chinese food is called "food" in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> China.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think it's the same with Italy and "Italian food" - so what else
>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>> one eat there?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not a big fan of pasta so I guess I'm screwed. :-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not for a moment, you'd be finding wonderful grilled mackarel,
>>>>>>>>>> Neopolitan pizzas, sublime grilled lamb, pork, and all manner of
>>>>>>>>>> prawns
>>>>>>>>>> and such.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They have a very broad food spectrum.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I love those Italians - maybe not so much their food but their cars
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> films. Two out of three ain't bad. :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Spoken like man who hasn't owned a FIAT yet...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've had three Fiat 124 Sport Coupes. I loved those cars.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You must be the luckiest man on earth then!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did you cut some special deal with Tony?
>>>>>
>>>>> I sure did. I'd say "Fix It Again, Tony" and then hand him some loot.
>>>>> Actually, I did all the work myself.
>>>>
>>>> Good on you.
>>>>
>>>> That 124 also became the Russian Lada, iirc...
>>>
>>> Yes, I had one. After half a year, it didn't pass the safety test
>>> because "it was about to break in two". I always thought it acted
>>> weird going around bends.
>>>
>> Quick challenge for you also - name your favorite Aussie car, past or
>> present.
>
> Past: Holden.
> Present: ?
>
Heh, good answer...

On 9/7/2014 10:43 AM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
> On Sunday, September 7, 2014 2:55:18 AM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>> On 9/6/2014 5:41 PM, Mayo wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Had a neighbor with one - total shop queen, but he adored it.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> It was a cute little wedge I have to say.
>>
>>
>>
>> You take the roof section off and stash it behind the seat.
>>
>
> No. Not the X 1/9. The roof went in the front trunk. I took that thing on and off a lot of times.
>
> --Bryan
>

You're right about that. Sorry. I must be confusing it with the Porsche
914. Of the two cars, the X1/9 was a lot more fun.

On 9/7/2014 10:10 AM, Mayo wrote:
> On 9/7/2014 2:03 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On 9/7/2014 9:01 AM, Mayo wrote:
>>>
>>> The notion is so frightening, yet we never saw many VWs or Corvairs
>>> burning by the road, so I guess it was safe enough.
>>>
>>> I can just imagine what EPA and DOT would say about that today!
>>
>> The air cooled VWs were famous for engine fires. The VW engineers at the
>> time were not interested in proper fuel line connections or using what
>> we call "clamps" on certain hoses and the fittings on the carbs tended
>> to leak. When I say "engine fires" I literally mean engine fires. The
>> alloy they used on the early ones would ignite and burn so hot it looked
>> like the sun was in the rear dripping hot drops of molten sunlight. It's
>> an awesome sight to see.
>
> Wow, beautifully described!
>
> I mean assuming it's not my car...
>
> :-)

Magnesium fires are awesome!