On 9/8/2014 9:57 PM, Pico Rico wrote:
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 9/8/2014 3:26 PM, sf wrote:
>>
>>> We floated through the housing mess unscathed too, but we also chose
>>> not to blame the victims.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Some were victims, others dove in and bought houses they could not afford.
>> 60 Minutes had a good segment and they had people that signed on for
>> mortgage payments close to their take home pay. "My sister said she'd
>> help me with the payments, but she didn't"
>>
>> I'd classify them as co-conspirators, not victims.
>
> The victims were the taxpayers who acted prudently and then got nailed for
> bailouts of one form or another.
>
>
The victims were also some of the banks who were induced to:

1.) write liar loans
2.) purchase suspect mortgage generators
3.) follow the absurd guidance of the CRA

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 8 Sep 2014 20:57:25 -0700, "Pico Rico" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On 9/8/2014 3:26 PM, sf wrote:
>> >
>> >> We floated through the housing mess unscathed too, but we also chose
>> >> not to blame the victims.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > Some were victims, others dove in and bought houses they could not
>> > afford.
>> > 60 Minutes had a good segment and they had people that signed on for
>> > mortgage payments close to their take home pay. "My sister said she'd
>> > help me with the payments, but she didn't"
>> >
>> > I'd classify them as co-conspirators, not victims.
>>
>> The victims were the taxpayers who acted prudently and then got nailed
>> for
>> bailouts of one form or another.
>>
> We bailed out Wall Street and the auto industry. Are you mad about
> that too?
>

yes. that is why I said "bailouts of one form or another".

On 08/09/2014 11:15 PM, Mayo wrote:
> On 9/8/2014 9:57 PM, Pico Rico wrote:
>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 9/8/2014 3:26 PM, sf wrote:
>>>
>>>> We floated through the housing mess unscathed too, but we also chose
>>>> not to blame the victims.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Some were victims, others dove in and bought houses they could not
>>> afford.
>>> 60 Minutes had a good segment and they had people that signed on for
>>> mortgage payments close to their take home pay. "My sister said she'd
>>> help me with the payments, but she didn't"
>>>
>>> I'd classify them as co-conspirators, not victims.
>>
>> The victims were the taxpayers who acted prudently and then got nailed
>> for
>> bailouts of one form or another.
>>
>>
> The victims were also some of the banks who were induced to:
>
> 1.) write liar loans
> 2.) purchase suspect mortgage generators
> 3.) follow the absurd guidance of the CRA

Luckily, our then Liberal Government forbade our banks to indulge in
these practices. But guess who's taking the credit? The current RW
government.
Graham

On Monday, September 8, 2014 6:47:36 PM UTC-4, Janet Bostwick wrote:
> On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 06:46:51 +1000, JohnJohn >
>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 14:24:57 -0400, Brooklyn1
>
> > wrote:
>
> snip
>
> >>
>
> >>ABMs are capable of baking as good a bread as the finast bakeries...
>
> >
>
> >LOL, stop.
>
>
>
> true. The caveat is that you shape and bake in your oven.

Gee, I dunno. Right now my ABM is making a caraway rye bread. I don't mind the oblong shape of the loaf - better for slicing for sandwiches.

I DO use my regular oven when I want to make rolls or buns. I just wish I could break a load of dough into 6 equal amounts. : )) There's always a runt in the litter.

On Monday, September 8, 2014 1:38:13 PM UTC-4, KenK wrote:
> Kalmia > wrote in
>
> :
>
>
>
> > On Saturday, September 6, 2014 12:55:35 PM UTC-4, KenK wrote:
>
> >> Kalmia > wrote in
>
> >>
>
> >> :
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> > How old is your Regal?
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> I'm guessing. At least ten, maybe fifteen.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> > Been using mine for over 10 years, and my
>
> >>
>
> >> > Hitachi for over 25. Should I start looking for a new one?
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> Evidently the heat cycles went bad - last two loaves came out dense
>
> >> and
>
> >>
>
> >> half sized. Kneading seemed ok. Proofed yeast and was ok. First Oster
>
> >> loaf
>
> >>
>
> >> ok.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> Mine went out with no warning so it's hard to plan ahead.
>
> >
>
> > Were you using the rapid bake or the regular 4 hr 10 min. bake?
>
> >
>
>
>
> Regular basic 3 hour bake. That's almost all I ever used.


Mine offers the 4 hr 10 min, or the rapid cycle of 2 hr 50 min. Ya just have to add a bit more yeast.

On Monday, September 8, 2014 2:16:13 PM UTC-4, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 10:10:04 -0400, Dave Smith
>
> > wrote:
>
>
>
> >On 2014-09-08 9:23 AM, Kalmia wrote:
>
> >
>
> >>>
>
> >>> I doubt any poor people buy bread machines... whatever cash they
>
> >>> have
>
> >>>
>
> >>> they spend on booze, smokes, and more serious drugs.
>
> >>
>
> >> I was going to say something along those lines, but didn't wish to be
>
> >> labeled 'uncaring'. I worked enough in free food banks to notice
>
> >> that the interest in cooking levels appear to be almost nonexistent.
>
> >> "Just gimme something free and easy to fix."
>
> >>
>
> >> At the animal shelter, we have a new wrinkle. Person A comes in for
>
> >> free food, then sends in the partner, then the kid on consecutive
>
> >> days for more. Now we ask for photo ID and be sure only so much food
>
> >> is doled out to a given address over a period of time. They're
>
> >> always working on a new angle. For all we know, there is NO animal
>
> >> on the receiving end - they cud be selling it.
>
> >>
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >Not a heck of a lot of sympathy there. I love animals and think that
>
> >most people benefit from their companionship. However, there are a lot
>
> >of responsibilities that go along with pet ownership, and if you cannot
>
> >afford to feed a pet you should not have one.
>
>
>
> I concur.
>
>
>
> I donate pet food to two local animal shelters, neither gives food to
>
> people... in fact I've never seen any animal shelter that gives away
>
> pet food to people... the pet food they have is donated and is only
>
> for their sheltered animals... were it found out they were giving away
>
> donated food no one would donate anything anymore, because that would
>
> be exactly the same as stealing. Perhaps if a person asked for food
>
> and they looked hungry they'd give them a bowl of kibble to eat out of
>
> a bowl on the floor.

Our food exchange program operates this way. Donors KNOW that the food is not for the shelter residents - hell, they're already paying taxes to run the operation. This food is set aside and records are kept, as I mentioned.. MY only beef is.....someone will come in for food and it's all I can do to heft a 50 lb. bag of dog food. We are short on strong volunteers : ))

On Monday, September 8, 2014 3:01:22 PM UTC-4, jmcquown wrote:
> On 9/8/2014 1:34 PM, Kalmia wrote:
>
> > On Monday, September 8, 2014 10:10:04 AM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> >> On 2014-09-08 9:23 AM, Kalmia wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>> I doubt any poor people buy bread machines... whatever cash they
>
> >>
>
> >>>> have
>
> >>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>> they spend on booze, smokes, and more serious drugs.
>
> >>
>
> >>>
>
> >>
>
> >>> I was going to say something along those lines, but didn't wish to be
>
> >>
>
> >>> labeled 'uncaring'. I worked enough in free food banks to notice
>
> >>
>
> >>> that the interest in cooking levels appear to be almost nonexistent.
>
> >>
>
> >>> "Just gimme something free and easy to fix."
>
> >>
>
> >>>
>
> >>
>
> >>> At the animal shelter, we have a new wrinkle. Person A comes in for
>
> >>
>
> >>> free food, then sends in the partner, then the kid on consecutive
>
> >>
>
> >>> days for more. Now we ask for photo ID and be sure only so much food
>
> >>
>
> >>> is doled out to a given address over a period of time. They're
>
> >>
>
> >>> always working on a new angle. For all we know, there is NO animal
>
> >>
>
> >>> on the receiving end - they cud be selling it.
>
> >>
>
> >>>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> Not a heck of a lot of sympathy there. I love animals and think that
>
> >>
>
> >> most people benefit from their companionship. However, there are a lot
>
> >>
>
> >> of responsibilities that go along with pet ownership, and if you cannot
>
> >> ,
>
> >> afford to feed a pet you should not have one.
>
> >
>
> > The shelter's approach is this: we'd rather help with feeding than have another animal surrendered here. The food is supplied by private donors and not paid for by the city. We are merely an exchange depot for free food, but we don't wish to be abused either by dishonest folks.
>
> >
>
> Most shelters are overcrowded and they just can't take on anymore.
>
>
>
> There were so many stray cats in this area the Beaufort County Animal
>
> Shelter had to open an annex just for cats. It's funded completely by
>
> donations. The cats aren't stuck in cages, either, unless they to be
>
> isolated for some medical reason. They just run around and play, or
>
> sleep. I donated two cannister vaccuums to them. I don't know why they
>
> specified cannister vac's. Whatever, I had two. So off to the Tabby
>
> House they went.
>
>
>
> > Some ppl DO hit on hard times and giving up their pet might be the last straw for some.
>
> >
>
> For some people it could be like giving up a child. I wasn't always in
>
> the best financial situation but when my little dog Sampson (I'd raised
>
> him from a pup from the time I was 21 and he lived to be nearly 18)
>
> needed special food or vet care I always managed, without donations.
>
>
>
> I do sort of understand the "if you can't afford a pet" mentality. But
>
> if you've already got a beloved pet I can't really imagine giving
>
> him/her up. It would be heartbreaking. And a major downer if you're
>
> already up to your neck in feeling down.

One woman sat and bawled for an hour - debating whether to euthanize or surrender for adoption. The cat was 12, had lots of medical problems, and the woman had just moved, had a sick husband, and was at her wit's end. She finally left the cat for adoption, but returned two days later - someone had given her money for the cat's needs and she took him home. St. Francis at Work story, I call 'em. Believe me, these animals are not surrendered lightly.

On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 07:42:43 -0700 (PDT), Kalmia
> wrote:

> >
> > I feed feral cats and there's an assistant at an area vet who gives out food
> >
> > for those who feed ferals. I pay for most of what I give out to the cats but
> >
> > once in a while she gives me a bag. The food comes to her heavily
> >
> > discounted, usually large size bags that were damaged and can't be sold in
> >
> > stores.
>
> ARE THOSE CATS FIXED?

I bet they fix the cats. They have the money to do it and most animal
shelters I know of will provide free or low cost spay and neutering
services. My mother had a mini-farm that was across the street from a
county park where people would dump their animals. She fed the cats
(took them in for a health check, spayed and neutered as soon as she
could catch them) because they helped keep the rodent population under
control. Cats don't last long in the wild. She found that 3-5 years
is average. Any feral cat over 5 is living a charmed life, because
they've usually slowed down enough by then to become fox or coyote
food.


--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 07:30:22 -0700 (PDT), Kalmia
> wrote:

>On Monday, September 8, 2014 6:47:36 PM UTC-4, Janet Bostwick wrote:
>> On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 06:46:51 +1000, JohnJohn >
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 14:24:57 -0400, Brooklyn1
>>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> snip
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>ABMs are capable of baking as good a bread as the finast bakeries...
>>
>> >
>>
>> >LOL, stop.
>>
>>
>>
>> true. The caveat is that you shape and bake in your oven.
>
>Gee, I dunno. Right now my ABM is making a caraway rye bread. I don't mind the oblong shape of the loaf - better for slicing for sandwiches.
>
> I DO use my regular oven when I want to make rolls or buns. I just wish I could break a load of dough into 6 equal amounts. : )) There's always a runt in the litter.

I know, eyeballing it never works. You can always weigh the dough.
The only time I do that is when I am making a couple of large loaves.
I want them to bake evenly and in the same amount of time. I've found
I just am no good at evenly dividing a huge blob of poofy dough
without overworking it.
Janet US

On 9/8/2014 10:51 PM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Sep 2014 20:57:25 -0700, "Pico Rico" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 9/8/2014 3:26 PM, sf wrote:
>>>
>>>> We floated through the housing mess unscathed too, but we also chose
>>>> not to blame the victims.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Some were victims, others dove in and bought houses they could not afford.
>>> 60 Minutes had a good segment and they had people that signed on for
>>> mortgage payments close to their take home pay. "My sister said she'd
>>> help me with the payments, but she didn't"
>>>
>>> I'd classify them as co-conspirators, not victims.
>>
>> The victims were the taxpayers who acted prudently and then got nailed for
>> bailouts of one form or another.
>>
> We bailed out Wall Street and the auto industry. Are you mad about
> that too?
>
>
It was unfortunate but completely prudent and necessary at the time.

On 9/9/2014 8:00 AM, graham wrote:
> On 08/09/2014 11:15 PM, Mayo wrote:
>> On 9/8/2014 9:57 PM, Pico Rico wrote:
>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 9/8/2014 3:26 PM, sf wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We floated through the housing mess unscathed too, but we also chose
>>>>> not to blame the victims.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Some were victims, others dove in and bought houses they could not
>>>> afford.
>>>> 60 Minutes had a good segment and they had people that signed on for
>>>> mortgage payments close to their take home pay. "My sister said she'd
>>>> help me with the payments, but she didn't"
>>>>
>>>> I'd classify them as co-conspirators, not victims.
>>>
>>> The victims were the taxpayers who acted prudently and then got nailed
>>> for
>>> bailouts of one form or another.
>>>
>>>
>> The victims were also some of the banks who were induced to:
>>
>> 1.) write liar loans
>> 2.) purchase suspect mortgage generators
>> 3.) follow the absurd guidance of the CRA
>
> Luckily, our then Liberal Government forbade our banks to indulge in
> these practices. But guess who's taking the credit? The current RW
> government.
> Graham

I'm not going to step into the middle of your politics, we've plenty of
our own to wipe of four shoes.

Yes, Canadian banks had and still have more responsible lending
standards and higher down payments.

But you still have a troublesome real estate bubble.

Jeßus > wrote:

>On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 16:47:36 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 06:46:51 +1000, JohnJohn >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 14:24:57 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:
>>snip
>>>>
>>>>ABMs are capable of baking as good a bread as the finast bakeries...
>>>
>>>LOL, stop.
>>
>>true. The caveat is that you shape and bake in your oven. The
>>kneading portion of the process can be as good as other methods. Oh,
>>you have to have a recipe for something other than soft, white
>>sandwich bread.
>>Janet US

Those non believers can't bake, just that simple. I've experimented
and developed many interesting recipes with my ABM where all I wanted
was one small loaf and didn't want to light a big oven. And I don't
care that my ABM makes cylindrical loaves, slice sandwiches in wedges
like a pizza.
Great for tuna salad sandwiches... washed down with ice cold Crystal
Palace:
http://www.recipegoldmine.com/breada...ary-bread.html

>Wood fired oven.

Put your head in the oven.

On 09/09/2014 8:58 AM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 07:42:43 -0700 (PDT), Kalmia
> > wrote:
>
>>>
>>> I feed feral cats and there's an assistant at an area vet who gives out food
>>>
>>> for those who feed ferals. I pay for most of what I give out to the cats but
>>>
>>> once in a while she gives me a bag. The food comes to her heavily
>>>
>>> discounted, usually large size bags that were damaged and can't be sold in
>>>
>>> stores.
>>
>> ARE THOSE CATS FIXED?
>
> I bet they fix the cats. They have the money to do it and most animal
> shelters I know of will provide free or low cost spay and neutering
> services. My mother had a mini-farm that was across the street from a
> county park where people would dump their animals. She fed the cats
> (took them in for a health check, spayed and neutered as soon as she
> could catch them) because they helped keep the rodent population under
> control. Cats don't last long in the wild. She found that 3-5 years
> is average. Any feral cat over 5 is living a charmed life, because
> they've usually slowed down enough by then to become fox or coyote
> food.
>
>
But there are halfwits who are having the feral cats spayed/neutered and
then letting them loose in nature reserves!!!!
Graham

On 9/9/2014 11:52 AM, graham wrote:
> On 09/09/2014 8:58 AM, sf wrote:
>> On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 07:42:43 -0700 (PDT), Kalmia
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> I feed feral cats and there's an assistant at an area vet who gives
>>>> out food
>>>>
>>>> for those who feed ferals. I pay for most of what I give out to the
>>>> cats but
>>>>
>>>> once in a while she gives me a bag. The food comes to her heavily
>>>>
>>>> discounted, usually large size bags that were damaged and can't be
>>>> sold in
>>>>
>>>> stores.
>>>
>>> ARE THOSE CATS FIXED?
>>
>> I bet they fix the cats. They have the money to do it and most animal
>> shelters I know of will provide free or low cost spay and neutering
>> services. My mother had a mini-farm that was across the street from a
>> county park where people would dump their animals. She fed the cats
>> (took them in for a health check, spayed and neutered as soon as she
>> could catch them) because they helped keep the rodent population under
>> control. Cats don't last long in the wild. She found that 3-5 years
>> is average. Any feral cat over 5 is living a charmed life, because
>> they've usually slowed down enough by then to become fox or coyote
>> food.
>>
>>
> But there are halfwits who are having the feral cats spayed/neutered and
> then letting them loose in nature reserves!!!!
> Graham

This is very true!

Do-gooders who end up doing bad.

Good catch.

Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
> Some were victims, others dove in and bought houses they could not
> afford. 60 Minutes had a good segment and they had people that signed
> on for mortgage payments close to their take home pay. "My sister said
> she'd help me with the payments, but she didn't"
>
> I'd classify them as co-conspirators, not victims.

Most first time home buyers, even those who can well afford the
mortgage payments, get into deep doodoo because they never realized
what it costs to maintain a house compared to an apartment and they
are unwilling to alter their life style.... they don't know and no one
tells them that when the roof begins to leak you spend your vacation
eating tube steak in the back yard... and often you work your
vacation. A lot of new homeowners don't realize that now they are the
landlord and need to go to the Church of Present Day DIY... home
ownership separates a Mench from a Moroon. ALL the priorities one had
living in an apartment no longer apply owning a house.

On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 07:30:22 -0700 (PDT), Kalmia
> wrote:

>On Monday, September 8, 2014 6:47:36 PM UTC-4, Janet Bostwick wrote:
>> On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 06:46:51 +1000, JohnJohn >
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 14:24:57 -0400, Brooklyn1
>>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> snip
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>ABMs are capable of baking as good a bread as the finast bakeries...
>>
>> >
>>
>> >LOL, stop.
>>
>>
>>
>> true. The caveat is that you shape and bake in your oven.
>
>Gee, I dunno. Right now my ABM is making a caraway rye bread. I don't mind the oblong shape of the loaf - better for slicing for sandwiches.
>
> I DO use my regular oven when I want to make rolls or buns. I just wish I could break a load of dough into 6 equal amounts. : )) There's always a runt in the litter.

Buy a scale.

On 9/9/2014 11:16 AM, Janet Bostwick wrote:

>> I DO use my regular oven when I want to make rolls or buns. I just wish I could break a load of dough into 6 equal amounts. : )) There's always a runt in the litter.
>
> I know, eyeballing it never works. You can always weigh the dough.
> The only time I do that is when I am making a couple of large loaves.
> I want them to bake evenly and in the same amount of time. I've found
> I just am no good at evenly dividing a huge blob of poofy dough
> without overworking it.
> Janet US
>

I'm not a great baker, but that I can do.

Try to get the dough into a regular shape, be it a loaf, rectangle,
square, whatever. Cut it in half. Now put the halves next to each
other and mark the top in thirds. Flip one around and see if the marks
line up close enough. If so, make the cuts.

You can get fancy with a ruler, but once you've eyed it a couple of
times it works with cutting a pork loin, pile of ground beef for
burgers, etc.

On 2014-09-09, graham > wrote:

> there are halfwits who are having the feral cats spayed/neutered and
> then letting them loose in nature reserves!!!!

.....where they prey on songbirds!

We do not suffer feral cats, where I live. Last time we had one, one
resident complained how he wanted to put it down cuz it always
coughing up hairballs on his deck. I kindly offered to loan him my
..22 pistol. He declined, but the cat was gone within the week.

I've seen this kinda cat behavior. I usta open a lakeside
tackle/food/boat rental biz, every morning. In the Summer, the feral
cats insisted upon coughing up their hairballs on the deck surrounding
the store and I hadda clean 'em up before opening. I'll never get rid
of that vision of a big ol' hairball with one squirrel eyeball and a
set of squirrel teeth hanging off it. Didn't know whether to pick it
up and dispose of it or beat it with a shovel!

nb

On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 11:57:54 -0600, Mayo > wrote:

> On 9/9/2014 11:52 AM, graham wrote:
> > On 09/09/2014 8:58 AM, sf wrote:
> >> On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 07:42:43 -0700 (PDT), Kalmia
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>> I feed feral cats and there's an assistant at an area vet who gives
> >>>> out food
> >>>>
> >>>> for those who feed ferals. I pay for most of what I give out to the
> >>>> cats but
> >>>>
> >>>> once in a while she gives me a bag. The food comes to her heavily
> >>>>
> >>>> discounted, usually large size bags that were damaged and can't be
> >>>> sold in
> >>>>
> >>>> stores.
> >>>
> >>> ARE THOSE CATS FIXED?
> >>
> >> I bet they fix the cats. They have the money to do it and most animal
> >> shelters I know of will provide free or low cost spay and neutering
> >> services. My mother had a mini-farm that was across the street from a
> >> county park where people would dump their animals. She fed the cats
> >> (took them in for a health check, spayed and neutered as soon as she
> >> could catch them) because they helped keep the rodent population under
> >> control. Cats don't last long in the wild. She found that 3-5 years
> >> is average. Any feral cat over 5 is living a charmed life, because
> >> they've usually slowed down enough by then to become fox or coyote
> >> food.
> >>
> >>
> > But there are halfwits who are having the feral cats spayed/neutered and
> > then letting them loose in nature reserves!!!!
> > Graham
>
> This is very true!
>
> Do-gooders who end up doing bad.
>
> Good catch.

I said she lived across from a county park. Apparently Graham isn't
familiar with that term.


--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

On 9/9/2014 1:17 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2014-09-09, graham > wrote:
>
>> there are halfwits who are having the feral cats spayed/neutered and
>> then letting them loose in nature reserves!!!!
>
> ....where they prey on songbirds!
>
> We do not suffer feral cats, where I live. Last time we had one, one
> resident complained how he wanted to put it down cuz it always
> coughing up hairballs on his deck. I kindly offered to loan him my
> .22 pistol. He declined, but the cat was gone within the week.
>
> I've seen this kinda cat behavior. I usta open a lakeside
> tackle/food/boat rental biz, every morning. In the Summer, the feral
> cats insisted upon coughing up their hairballs on the deck surrounding
> the store and I hadda clean 'em up before opening. I'll never get rid
> of that vision of a big ol' hairball with one squirrel eyeball and a
> set of squirrel teeth hanging off it. Didn't know whether to pick it
> up and dispose of it or beat it with a shovel!
>
> nb
>

Eeew...

Every bit as much of a problem as I said then.

On 9/9/2014 1:18 PM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 11:57:54 -0600, Mayo > wrote:
>
>> On 9/9/2014 11:52 AM, graham wrote:
>>> On 09/09/2014 8:58 AM, sf wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 07:42:43 -0700 (PDT), Kalmia
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I feed feral cats and there's an assistant at an area vet who gives
>>>>>> out food
>>>>>>
>>>>>> for those who feed ferals. I pay for most of what I give out to the
>>>>>> cats but
>>>>>>
>>>>>> once in a while she gives me a bag. The food comes to her heavily
>>>>>>
>>>>>> discounted, usually large size bags that were damaged and can't be
>>>>>> sold in
>>>>>>
>>>>>> stores.
>>>>>
>>>>> ARE THOSE CATS FIXED?
>>>>
>>>> I bet they fix the cats. They have the money to do it and most animal
>>>> shelters I know of will provide free or low cost spay and neutering
>>>> services. My mother had a mini-farm that was across the street from a
>>>> county park where people would dump their animals. She fed the cats
>>>> (took them in for a health check, spayed and neutered as soon as she
>>>> could catch them) because they helped keep the rodent population under
>>>> control. Cats don't last long in the wild. She found that 3-5 years
>>>> is average. Any feral cat over 5 is living a charmed life, because
>>>> they've usually slowed down enough by then to become fox or coyote
>>>> food.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> But there are halfwits who are having the feral cats spayed/neutered and
>>> then letting them loose in nature reserves!!!!
>>> Graham
>>
>> This is very true!
>>
>> Do-gooders who end up doing bad.
>>
>> Good catch.
>
> I said she lived across from a county park. Apparently Graham isn't
> familiar with that term.
>
>
Park or no park, these cats are a heavy songbird predation factor.

On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 13:25:33 -0600, Mayo > wrote:

> On 9/9/2014 1:18 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 11:57:54 -0600, Mayo > wrote:
> >
> >> On 9/9/2014 11:52 AM, graham wrote:
> >>> On 09/09/2014 8:58 AM, sf wrote:
> >>>> On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 07:42:43 -0700 (PDT), Kalmia
> >>>> > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I feed feral cats and there's an assistant at an area vet who gives
> >>>>>> out food
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> for those who feed ferals. I pay for most of what I give out to the
> >>>>>> cats but
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> once in a while she gives me a bag. The food comes to her heavily
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> discounted, usually large size bags that were damaged and can't be
> >>>>>> sold in
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> stores.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ARE THOSE CATS FIXED?
> >>>>
> >>>> I bet they fix the cats. They have the money to do it and most animal
> >>>> shelters I know of will provide free or low cost spay and neutering
> >>>> services. My mother had a mini-farm that was across the street from a
> >>>> county park where people would dump their animals. She fed the cats
> >>>> (took them in for a health check, spayed and neutered as soon as she
> >>>> could catch them) because they helped keep the rodent population under
> >>>> control. Cats don't last long in the wild. She found that 3-5 years
> >>>> is average. Any feral cat over 5 is living a charmed life, because
> >>>> they've usually slowed down enough by then to become fox or coyote
> >>>> food.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> But there are halfwits who are having the feral cats spayed/neutered and
> >>> then letting them loose in nature reserves!!!!
> >>> Graham
> >>
> >> This is very true!
> >>
> >> Do-gooders who end up doing bad.
> >>
> >> Good catch.
> >
> > I said she lived across from a county park. Apparently Graham isn't
> > familiar with that term.
> >
> >
> Park or no park, these cats are a heavy songbird predation factor.

I think people's pets are just as bad.


--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

On 9/9/2014 1:59 PM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 13:25:33 -0600, Mayo > wrote:
>
>> On 9/9/2014 1:18 PM, sf wrote:
>>> On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 11:57:54 -0600, Mayo > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/9/2014 11:52 AM, graham wrote:
>>>>> On 09/09/2014 8:58 AM, sf wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 07:42:43 -0700 (PDT), Kalmia
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I feed feral cats and there's an assistant at an area vet who gives
>>>>>>>> out food
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> for those who feed ferals. I pay for most of what I give out to the
>>>>>>>> cats but
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> once in a while she gives me a bag. The food comes to her heavily
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> discounted, usually large size bags that were damaged and can't be
>>>>>>>> sold in
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> stores.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ARE THOSE CATS FIXED?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I bet they fix the cats. They have the money to do it and most animal
>>>>>> shelters I know of will provide free or low cost spay and neutering
>>>>>> services. My mother had a mini-farm that was across the street from a
>>>>>> county park where people would dump their animals. She fed the cats
>>>>>> (took them in for a health check, spayed and neutered as soon as she
>>>>>> could catch them) because they helped keep the rodent population under
>>>>>> control. Cats don't last long in the wild. She found that 3-5 years
>>>>>> is average. Any feral cat over 5 is living a charmed life, because
>>>>>> they've usually slowed down enough by then to become fox or coyote
>>>>>> food.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> But there are halfwits who are having the feral cats spayed/neutered and
>>>>> then letting them loose in nature reserves!!!!
>>>>> Graham
>>>>
>>>> This is very true!
>>>>
>>>> Do-gooders who end up doing bad.
>>>>
>>>> Good catch.
>>>
>>> I said she lived across from a county park. Apparently Graham isn't
>>> familiar with that term.
>>>
>>>
>> Park or no park, these cats are a heavy songbird predation factor.
>
> I think people's pets are just as bad.
>
>
They can be, but you have a far greater likelihood of them being kept
inside or on a leash.

Feral?

Not so much.

On Tuesday, September 9, 2014 11:16:04 AM UTC-4, Janet Bostwick wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 07:30:22 -0700 (PDT), Kalmia
>
> > wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Monday, September 8, 2014 6:47:36 PM UTC-4, Janet Bostwick wrote:
>
> >> On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 06:46:51 +1000, JohnJohn >
>
> >>
>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 14:24:57 -0400, Brooklyn1
>
> >>
>
> >> > wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> snip
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >>ABMs are capable of baking as good a bread as the finast bakeries...
>
> >>
>
> >> >
>
> >>
>
> >> >LOL, stop.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> true. The caveat is that you shape and bake in your oven.
>
> >
>
> >Gee, I dunno. Right now my ABM is making a caraway rye bread. I don't mind the oblong shape of the loaf - better for slicing for sandwiches.
>
> >
>
> > I DO use my regular oven when I want to make rolls or buns. I just wish I could break a load of dough into 6 equal amounts. : )) There's always a runt in the litter.
>
>
>
> I know, eyeballing it never works. You can always weigh the dough.
>
> The only time I do that is when I am making a couple of large loaves.
>
> I want them to bake evenly and in the same amount of time. I've found
>
> I just am no good at evenly dividing a huge blob of poofy dough
>
> without overworking it.


Ya know those round apple slicing gizmos? I have one by Farberware. Too bad it makes about a dozen sections tho. If someone made one with just 6 sections, I'd be in business.

I have tried to cut the dough from a log shape or a round dome - but I still get that runt.

On 9/10/2014 10:38 AM, Kalmia wrote:
> Ya know those round apple slicing gizmos? I have one by Farberware. Too bad it makes about a dozen sections tho. If someone made one with just 6 sections, I'd be in business.
> I have tried to cut the dough from a log shape or a round dome - but I still get that runt.
>
The closest I've seen is one with 8 sections -
<http://www.amazon.com/Unves-Apple-Corer-Slicer-Stainless/dp/B00K6BCV7S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1410360366&sr=8-1&keywords=apple+slicer>