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the widening food gap between poor and wealthy
On 9/13/2014 2:00 PM, JohnJohn wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 11:20:52 -0600, Mayo > wrote: > >> On 9/12/2014 10:37 PM, Jeßus wrote: >>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 22:27:53 -0600, Mayo > wrote: >>> >>>> On 9/12/2014 10:20 PM, Jeßus wrote: >>>>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 14:05:12 +1000, JohnJohn > >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 21:56:53 -0600, Mayo > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 9/12/2014 8:22 PM, JohnJohn wrote: >>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 19:53:52 -0600, Mayo > wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2014 7:17 PM, JohnJohn wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 10:43:23 +1000, Jeßus > wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 10:18:08 +1000, JohnJohn > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 09:52:51 +1000, Jeßus > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 17:32:13 -0600, Mayo > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2014 4:55 PM, graham wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/09/2014 4:11 PM, Mayo wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, Greenpeace is being sued by a Quebec company for spreading lies >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about its operations. GP has the unmitigated gall to accuse the company >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of using intimidation tactics. Oh the irony!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Graham >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Point taken. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes... because as we all know, corporations are struggling to get any >>>>>>>>>>>>> governmental support these days, and are struggling to exert any >>>>>>>>>>>>> influence on decision making <rolls eyes>... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I always wonder why almost all Australians - from greenies to farmers >>>>>>>>>>>> - are against CSG/fracking, but politicians are drawn to it like moths >>>>>>>>>>>> to the light. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Because in reality, we are ruled by corporations. They have gradually >>>>>>>>>>> usurped the role of democracy. 'Government' is merely the interface >>>>>>>>>>> between us and them. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Let's all vote Green then. They're the least corrupt and the least >>>>>>>>>> controlled by corporations. Until they come into power, of course. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And if they throttle your economy to a standstill? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Then we all start building windmills to re-activate the economy. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> They don't work when the wind stops blowing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That's the peak load dilemma. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The answer is tidal power turbines. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tides are constant. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sounds good. Is there anything against that? A nearly extinct tidal >>>>>> slug maybe? >>>>>> >>>>>>> But storage is key. >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, batteries, nanobatteries. >>>>> >>>>> Or hydro power, which works very well here. >>>>> >>>> In _some_ locales, but isn't drought a factor? >>> >>> Well, obviously not! Otherwise it wouldn't work very well here, would >>> it? >> >> Isn't Australia generally suffering a major drought? > > Yes, but not everywhere. So far, I've only lived in very green areas. > The center's very dry of course, but not many people live there. > And clearly Tasmanaia beong a mid latitude locale is also spared. |
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On 9/13/2014 2:02 PM, JohnJohn wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 11:27:18 -0600, Mayo > wrote: > >> On 9/12/2014 10:52 PM, JohnJohn wrote: >>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 22:27:53 -0600, Mayo > wrote: >>> >>>> On 9/12/2014 10:20 PM, Jeßus wrote: >>>>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 14:05:12 +1000, JohnJohn > >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 21:56:53 -0600, Mayo > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 9/12/2014 8:22 PM, JohnJohn wrote: >>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 19:53:52 -0600, Mayo > wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2014 7:17 PM, JohnJohn wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 10:43:23 +1000, Jeßus > wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 10:18:08 +1000, JohnJohn > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 09:52:51 +1000, Jeßus > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 17:32:13 -0600, Mayo > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2014 4:55 PM, graham wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/09/2014 4:11 PM, Mayo wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, Greenpeace is being sued by a Quebec company for spreading lies >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about its operations. GP has the unmitigated gall to accuse the company >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of using intimidation tactics. Oh the irony!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Graham >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Point taken. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes... because as we all know, corporations are struggling to get any >>>>>>>>>>>>> governmental support these days, and are struggling to exert any >>>>>>>>>>>>> influence on decision making <rolls eyes>... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I always wonder why almost all Australians - from greenies to farmers >>>>>>>>>>>> - are against CSG/fracking, but politicians are drawn to it like moths >>>>>>>>>>>> to the light. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Because in reality, we are ruled by corporations. They have gradually >>>>>>>>>>> usurped the role of democracy. 'Government' is merely the interface >>>>>>>>>>> between us and them. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Let's all vote Green then. They're the least corrupt and the least >>>>>>>>>> controlled by corporations. Until they come into power, of course. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And if they throttle your economy to a standstill? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Then we all start building windmills to re-activate the economy. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> They don't work when the wind stops blowing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That's the peak load dilemma. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The answer is tidal power turbines. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tides are constant. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sounds good. Is there anything against that? A nearly extinct tidal >>>>>> slug maybe? >>>>>> >>>>>>> But storage is key. >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, batteries, nanobatteries. >>>>> >>>>> Or hydro power, which works very well here. >>>>> >>>> In _some_ locales, but isn't drought a factor? >>> >>> Not where I lived in Tasmania. >>> >> >> And the rest of Oz? > > It depends where. Lots of areas are in drought, but the east coast, > where many people live, mostly isn't. > That is very fortunate! |
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On 9/13/2014 2:30 PM, JohnJohn wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 12:02:21 -0600, Mayo > wrote: > >> On 9/13/2014 5:45 AM, JohnJohn wrote: >>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 12:26:18 +0100, "Ophelia" >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "Mayo" > wrote in message ... >>>>> On 9/12/2014 7:20 PM, JohnJohn wrote: >>>>>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 18:50:43 -0600, Mayo > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 9/12/2014 6:18 PM, JohnJohn wrote: >>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 09:52:51 +1000, Jeßus > wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 17:32:13 -0600, Mayo > wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2014 4:55 PM, graham wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 12/09/2014 4:11 PM, Mayo wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> BTW, Greenpeace is being sued by a Quebec company for spreading lies >>>>>>>>>>> about its operations. GP has the unmitigated gall to accuse the >>>>>>>>>>> company >>>>>>>>>>> of using intimidation tactics. Oh the irony!!! >>>>>>>>>>> Graham >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Point taken. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes... because as we all know, corporations are struggling to get any >>>>>>>>> governmental support these days, and are struggling to exert any >>>>>>>>> influence on decision making <rolls eyes>... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I always wonder why almost all Australians - from greenies to farmers >>>>>>>> - are against CSG/fracking, but politicians are drawn to it like moths >>>>>>>> to the light. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Because it produces tax revenues, employs residents, and produces >>>>>>> gas/oil in a far less environmentally impactful manner than more >>>>>>> traditional methods of extraction. >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, that's the one-sided pro story. >>>>> >>>>> No, it's reality. >>>>> >>>>>> But, regardless, politicians >>>>>> should do what people want, especially their potential voters. >>>>> >>>>> Even if people are ill-informed, emotional, and illogocal? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> And they're all against. End of story, you'd hope. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "All"? >>>>> >>>>> Seriously? >>>>> >>>>> You have some polling on that? >>> >>> I missed this bit. I'm sure there's polling to be googled. But every >>> town we drive through has a sign saying "xx% against CSG" (= >>> fracking). xx= generally around the 96 mark. >> >> Really? >> >> I'm thinking that number is unusually high: >> >> THE West Australian Department of Mines and Petroleum has given the >> green light to Buru Energy's plans to frack for gas in the Kimberley region. >> >> But the Australian Conservation Foundation said it still had serious >> concerns about tight gas exploration in the Canning Basin, noting the >> approval came on the same day polling had revealed two out of three >> Western Australians were opposed to fracking. > > That's still a convincing majority against. If accurate, yes it is. I believe the UK had similar polling. >>>> It will be interesting to see (if I am still around which I hope not) if >>>> they win, how they will cope when all fuel is spent because there is no >>>> where else to obtain any. Windmills? How many millions will that take and >>>> what happens when the wind isn't blowing. The other answer is nuclear but >>>> the greens wouldn't be happy with that either. There is tidal but how many >>>> tides are there in the huge areas across USA and Aus? >>> >>> The Australian countryside -and the English from the little bit I've >>> seen of it- is way too beautiful to start polluting and poisoning the >>> hell out of it to make an extra buck. >> >> Fracking is done beneath ground, and a given well pad can have multiple >> straws extending out from it minimizing the visual impact above. >> >> http://cartss.colorado.edu/images/ho...ingworks_1.jpg >> >> http://www.childrensenvironment.org/fracking.jpg >> >> Now, that said...here is what you do NOT want to see: >> >> http://blog.ucsusa.org/wp-content/up...in-Wyoming.jpg >> >> I think we'll all agree that the spacing on that is absurd and such >> density ruins the land. >> >> Having said that your actual coal seam gas areas are not plentiful: >> >> http://ewatercrc.files.wordpress.com...lds-scnned.jpg > > That's limits the potential damage then. > > I don't think we'll agree on fracking, but my main point is that > politicians should do what the people want or stop calling Australia a > democracy. But is it really a true democracy? Or more in the parliamentary style? I believe you've still a monarchical Governor General to answer to. |
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On 9/13/2014 3:13 PM, JohnJohn wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 15:02:30 -0600, Mayo > wrote: > >> On 9/13/2014 2:00 PM, JohnJohn wrote: >>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 11:20:52 -0600, Mayo > wrote: >>> >>>> On 9/12/2014 10:37 PM, Jeßus wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 22:27:53 -0600, Mayo > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 9/12/2014 10:20 PM, Jeßus wrote: >>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 14:05:12 +1000, JohnJohn > >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 21:56:53 -0600, Mayo > wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2014 8:22 PM, JohnJohn wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 19:53:52 -0600, Mayo > wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2014 7:17 PM, JohnJohn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 10:43:23 +1000, Jeßus > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 10:18:08 +1000, JohnJohn > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 09:52:51 +1000, Jeßus > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 17:32:13 -0600, Mayo > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2014 4:55 PM, graham wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/09/2014 4:11 PM, Mayo wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, Greenpeace is being sued by a Quebec company for spreading lies >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about its operations. GP has the unmitigated gall to accuse the company >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of using intimidation tactics. Oh the irony!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Graham >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Point taken. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes... because as we all know, corporations are struggling to get any >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> governmental support these days, and are struggling to exert any >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> influence on decision making <rolls eyes>... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I always wonder why almost all Australians - from greenies to farmers >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - are against CSG/fracking, but politicians are drawn to it like moths >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the light. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Because in reality, we are ruled by corporations. They have gradually >>>>>>>>>>>>> usurped the role of democracy. 'Government' is merely the interface >>>>>>>>>>>>> between us and them. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Let's all vote Green then. They're the least corrupt and the least >>>>>>>>>>>> controlled by corporations. Until they come into power, of course. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> And if they throttle your economy to a standstill? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Then we all start building windmills to re-activate the economy. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> They don't work when the wind stops blowing. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That's the peak load dilemma. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The answer is tidal power turbines. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Tides are constant. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sounds good. Is there anything against that? A nearly extinct tidal >>>>>>>> slug maybe? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But storage is key. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, batteries, nanobatteries. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Or hydro power, which works very well here. >>>>>>> >>>>>> In _some_ locales, but isn't drought a factor? >>>>> >>>>> Well, obviously not! Otherwise it wouldn't work very well here, would >>>>> it? >>>> >>>> Isn't Australia generally suffering a major drought? >>> >>> Yes, but not everywhere. So far, I've only lived in very green areas. >>> The center's very dry of course, but not many people live there. >>> >> And clearly Tasmanaia beong a mid latitude locale is also spared. > > Tasmania often has droughts in the center, but in the south, where I > lived, I started to feel like a goldfish. Rain and grey skies > alternating with grey skies and rain. > That's interesting, so it has a "rain shadow" effect, likely from encircling mountain ranges? |
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On 9/13/2014 3:19 PM, JohnJohn wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 15:08:53 -0600, Mayo > wrote: > >> But is it really a true democracy? >> >> Or more in the parliamentary style? > > Where you elect politicians who then break all their promises until > the next election time, when they start to suck up again? Sounds a lot like here! >> I believe you've still a monarchical Governor General to answer to. > > As long as Australia doesn't cut the umbilical cord, it's still some > sort of colony. I don't know what's stopping them. I guess people are > afraid of change. Especially older people. That is almost universally true. I'd need a careful explanation of precisely what the Crown offers your average Australian in terms of tangible benefits. |
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On 9/13/2014 3:24 PM, JohnJohn wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 15:16:10 -0600, Mayo > wrote: > >> On 9/13/2014 3:13 PM, JohnJohn wrote: >>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 15:02:30 -0600, Mayo > wrote: >>> >>>> On 9/13/2014 2:00 PM, JohnJohn wrote: >>>>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 11:20:52 -0600, Mayo > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 9/12/2014 10:37 PM, Jeßus wrote: >>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 22:27:53 -0600, Mayo > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 9/12/2014 10:20 PM, Jeßus wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 14:05:12 +1000, JohnJohn > >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 21:56:53 -0600, Mayo > wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2014 8:22 PM, JohnJohn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 19:53:52 -0600, Mayo > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2014 7:17 PM, JohnJohn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 10:43:23 +1000, Jeßus > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 10:18:08 +1000, JohnJohn > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 09:52:51 +1000, Jeßus > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 17:32:13 -0600, Mayo > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2014 4:55 PM, graham wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/09/2014 4:11 PM, Mayo wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, Greenpeace is being sued by a Quebec company for spreading lies >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about its operations. GP has the unmitigated gall to accuse the company >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of using intimidation tactics. Oh the irony!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Graham >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Point taken. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes... because as we all know, corporations are struggling to get any >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> governmental support these days, and are struggling to exert any >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> influence on decision making <rolls eyes>... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I always wonder why almost all Australians - from greenies to farmers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - are against CSG/fracking, but politicians are drawn to it like moths >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the light. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because in reality, we are ruled by corporations. They have gradually >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usurped the role of democracy. 'Government' is merely the interface >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between us and them. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let's all vote Green then. They're the least corrupt and the least >>>>>>>>>>>>>> controlled by corporations. Until they come into power, of course. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> And if they throttle your economy to a standstill? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Then we all start building windmills to re-activate the economy. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> They don't work when the wind stops blowing. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> That's the peak load dilemma. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The answer is tidal power turbines. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Tides are constant. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sounds good. Is there anything against that? A nearly extinct tidal >>>>>>>>>> slug maybe? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> But storage is key. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, batteries, nanobatteries. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Or hydro power, which works very well here. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In _some_ locales, but isn't drought a factor? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well, obviously not! Otherwise it wouldn't work very well here, would >>>>>>> it? >>>>>> >>>>>> Isn't Australia generally suffering a major drought? >>>>> >>>>> Yes, but not everywhere. So far, I've only lived in very green areas. >>>>> The center's very dry of course, but not many people live there. >>>>> >>>> And clearly Tasmanaia beong a mid latitude locale is also spared. >>> >>> Tasmania often has droughts in the center, but in the south, where I >>> lived, I started to feel like a goldfish. Rain and grey skies >>> alternating with grey skies and rain. >>> >> That's interesting, so it has a "rain shadow" effect, likely from >> encircling mountain ranges? > > It's got lots of micro climates. I think mountains/hills have > something to do with that, yes. > Definitely still on my bucket list of trips to take. |
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"JohnJohn" > wrote in message ... > On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 15:02:30 -0600, Mayo > wrote: > >>On 9/13/2014 2:00 PM, JohnJohn wrote: >>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 11:20:52 -0600, Mayo > wrote: >>> >>>> On 9/12/2014 10:37 PM, Jeßus wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 22:27:53 -0600, Mayo > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 9/12/2014 10:20 PM, Jeßus wrote: >>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 14:05:12 +1000, JohnJohn > >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 21:56:53 -0600, Mayo > wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2014 8:22 PM, JohnJohn wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 19:53:52 -0600, Mayo > wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2014 7:17 PM, JohnJohn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 10:43:23 +1000, Jeßus > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 10:18:08 +1000, JohnJohn >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 09:52:51 +1000, Jeßus > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 17:32:13 -0600, Mayo > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2014 4:55 PM, graham wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/09/2014 4:11 PM, Mayo wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, Greenpeace is being sued by a Quebec company for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spreading lies >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about its operations. GP has the unmitigated gall to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accuse the company >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of using intimidation tactics. Oh the irony!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Graham >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Point taken. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes... because as we all know, corporations are struggling >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to get any >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> governmental support these days, and are struggling to exert >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> influence on decision making <rolls eyes>... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I always wonder why almost all Australians - from greenies to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> farmers >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - are against CSG/fracking, but politicians are drawn to it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> like moths >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the light. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Because in reality, we are ruled by corporations. They have >>>>>>>>>>>>> gradually >>>>>>>>>>>>> usurped the role of democracy. 'Government' is merely the >>>>>>>>>>>>> interface >>>>>>>>>>>>> between us and them. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Let's all vote Green then. They're the least corrupt and the >>>>>>>>>>>> least >>>>>>>>>>>> controlled by corporations. Until they come into power, of >>>>>>>>>>>> course. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> And if they throttle your economy to a standstill? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Then we all start building windmills to re-activate the economy. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> They don't work when the wind stops blowing. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That's the peak load dilemma. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The answer is tidal power turbines. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Tides are constant. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sounds good. Is there anything against that? A nearly extinct tidal >>>>>>>> slug maybe? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But storage is key. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, batteries, nanobatteries. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Or hydro power, which works very well here. >>>>>>> >>>>>> In _some_ locales, but isn't drought a factor? >>>>> >>>>> Well, obviously not! Otherwise it wouldn't work very well here, would >>>>> it? >>>> >>>> Isn't Australia generally suffering a major drought? >>> >>> Yes, but not everywhere. So far, I've only lived in very green areas. >>> The center's very dry of course, but not many people live there. >>> >>And clearly Tasmanaia beong a mid latitude locale is also spared. > > Tasmania often has droughts in the center, but in the south, where I > lived, I started to feel like a goldfish. Rain and grey skies > alternating with grey skies and rain. Unusual weather? Never been to Scotland then? -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/ |
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On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 17:49:25 +1000, JohnJohn >
wrote: >On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 16:17:34 +1000, Jeßus > wrote: > >>On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 15:42:23 +1000, JohnJohn > >>wrote: >> >>>On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 15:01:50 +1000, Jeßus > wrote: >>> >>>>On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 14:54:02 +1000, JohnJohn > >>>>wrote: >>>> >>>>>On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 14:37:43 +1000, Jeßus > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 22:27:53 -0600, Mayo > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On 9/12/2014 10:20 PM, Jeßus wrote: >>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 14:05:12 +1000, JohnJohn > >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 21:56:53 -0600, Mayo > wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2014 8:22 PM, JohnJohn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 19:53:52 -0600, Mayo > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2014 7:17 PM, JohnJohn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 10:43:23 +1000, Jeßus > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 10:18:08 +1000, JohnJohn > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 09:52:51 +1000, Jeßus > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 17:32:13 -0600, Mayo > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2014 4:55 PM, graham wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/09/2014 4:11 PM, Mayo wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, Greenpeace is being sued by a Quebec company for spreading lies >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about its operations. GP has the unmitigated gall to accuse the company >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of using intimidation tactics. Oh the irony!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Graham >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Point taken. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes... because as we all know, corporations are struggling to get any >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> governmental support these days, and are struggling to exert any >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> influence on decision making <rolls eyes>... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I always wonder why almost all Australians - from greenies to farmers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - are against CSG/fracking, but politicians are drawn to it like moths >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the light. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because in reality, we are ruled by corporations. They have gradually >>>>>>>>>>>>>> usurped the role of democracy. 'Government' is merely the interface >>>>>>>>>>>>>> between us and them. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Let's all vote Green then. They're the least corrupt and the least >>>>>>>>>>>>> controlled by corporations. Until they come into power, of course. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> And if they throttle your economy to a standstill? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Then we all start building windmills to re-activate the economy. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> They don't work when the wind stops blowing. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> That's the peak load dilemma. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The answer is tidal power turbines. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Tides are constant. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sounds good. Is there anything against that? A nearly extinct tidal >>>>>>>>> slug maybe? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> But storage is key. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes, batteries, nanobatteries. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Or hydro power, which works very well here. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>In _some_ locales, but isn't drought a factor? >>>>>> >>>>>>Well, obviously not! Otherwise it wouldn't work very well here, would >>>>>>it? The entire state runs on hydro power - for those on the grid, >>>>>>anyway. Mine is home made and combined with solar panels. I do use >>>>>>batteries for the solar of course. >>>>> >>>>>Are those batteries available for Joe Homeowner? I thought they were >>>>>still in the early stage. >>>> >>>>Sorry, no, I didn't mean to say I had nanobatteries. Just ordinary >>>>batteries. >>> >>>I meant any batteries. So we can store daytime solar for use after >>>dark? >> >>Umm, yes  You use solar panels to charge the batteries, then an>>inverter to convert it 230-250VAC (for Aus). >> >>Even just a really good truck battery can give you enough power for >>one night, depending on what you're using, of course. >> >>The 'proper' batteries are still very expensive, but nowhere near >>expensive as they once were, and are far more efficient into the >>bargain. There isn't a specific 'solar' battery, really. > >I had my wires crossed. Of course you can have batteries, otherwise >you could hardly live off the grid. The problem is or was having >grid+batteries (+solar). They don't want people filling up their >batteries during off-peak to avoid buying power during on-peak. They might not like it, but a lot of people do it. |
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On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 11:20:52 -0600, Mayo > wrote:
>On 9/12/2014 10:37 PM, Jeßus wrote: >> On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 22:27:53 -0600, Mayo > wrote: > >> The entire state runs on hydro power - for those on the grid, >> anyway. Mine is home made and combined with solar panels. I do use >> batteries for the solar of course. > >That's just darned cool! Technically, we have 100% hydro capacity, but despite that there's one coal powered station in use. Don't ask me why that is, other than it is somehow connected to agreements where Tas exports power back to the mainland... then we buy some back at times. We are tied into inflated agreed prices, and all sorts of other bullshit. None of which benefits Tasmanians - quite the opposite. If we simply cut the cord to the mainland and took care of our own power, it'd be a lot simpler and cheaper for those on the grid, instead of lining the pockets of a select few private individuals. |
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On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 11:30:01 -0600, Mayo > wrote:
>On 9/12/2014 11:03 PM, Jeßus wrote: >> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 14:52:13 +1000, JohnJohn > >> wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 22:27:53 -0600, Mayo > wrote: >>> >>>> On 9/12/2014 10:20 PM, Jeßus wrote: >>>>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 14:05:12 +1000, JohnJohn > >>>>> wrote >>>>> >>>> In _some_ locales, but isn't drought a factor? >>> >>> Not where I lived in Tasmania. >> >> Probably thinks it's all like the 'outback' here >> That said, this coming summer is shaping up to be a relatively dry >> one. >> >Reads things like this: > >http://time.com/7320/is-drought-beco...for-australia/ > >Feb. 14, 2014 >A dead tree stands in front of shallow water and a dried-up area of Lake >George, located 50 km (31 miles) north of the Australian capital city of >Canberra May 13, 2013 Yeah, that's Canberra. It's pretty much in 'drought' every summer as it is a long way inland. It's a big country, with a wide range of climates. |
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On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 07:19:15 +1000, JohnJohn >
wrote: >On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 15:08:53 -0600, Mayo > wrote: > >>But is it really a true democracy? >> >>Or more in the parliamentary style? > >Where you elect politicians who then break all their promises until >the next election time, when they start to suck up again? > >>I believe you've still a monarchical Governor General to answer to. Which was the instrument used to sack our Prime Minster in 1975. >As long as Australia doesn't cut the umbilical cord, it's still some >sort of colony. I don't know what's stopping them. "Them"? Are you only here on holidays? >I guess people are >afraid of change. Especially older people. Partly. I'm no monarchist by any means, but sometimes you need to be careful what you wish for. What exactly do we replace it with? A 'Republic' can be all sorts of things, including a totalitarian state where most of the citizens think they live in a democracy. |
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On 9/13/2014 5:21 PM, JohnJohn wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 15:30:11 -0600, Mayo > wrote: > >>>> I believe you've still a monarchical Governor General to answer to. >>> >>> As long as Australia doesn't cut the umbilical cord, it's still some >>> sort of colony. I don't know what's stopping them. I guess people are >>> afraid of change. Especially older people. >> >> That is almost universally true. >> >> I'd need a careful explanation of precisely what the Crown offers your >> average Australian in terms of tangible benefits. > > I can't think of much. I think Australians with an English background > - the majority - like to keep a connection with the old motherland. > Other than that, I wouldn't know. It's not like the UK's holding a gun > to their head either. > > It could just be a matter of waiting for the next referendum. In 1999, > it was 54-45 in favour of keeping the link. > My research indicates the tangible benefits are investments in natural resources firms. England is allegedly Australia's biggest investor, and I believe Australia is England's # 7 investor. |
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On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 11:22:36 -0600, Mayo > wrote:
>On 9/12/2014 10:40 PM, Jeßus wrote: >> On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 22:23:40 -0600, Mayo > wrote: >>> >>> Lithium is the next resource war. >> >> No, water is. Well, it already is, come to think of it. >> >That's a far rejoinder, but scarcity hasn't really been noted, given >desalination technology. Have you noticed how desalination technology hasn't really taken off, despite the technology being available for decades? Difficult with 7 billion people on the planet. California has been in drought this year, the worst in memory, IIRC... compounded by mass exports of hay to China, which basically amounts to exporting their water to China. Clean water *is* a scarce resource, otherwise there wouldn't have been a rush for investment in water and aquifers in the past decade. Corporations have and are setting themselves up to lock up and control the world's water supplies - Nestle's lovely CEO has been quoted as saying that with the global population rising water is not a public right, but a resource that should be managed by businessmen. From Wikipedia: Water exports involve exporting freshwater from one country to another. Large increases in human population and economic growth throughout the world during the twentieth century placed a huge stress on the world’s freshwater resources. Combined with climate change, they will place an even greater demand on water resources in this century. Water shortages have become an international concern, and freshwater has been described as “blue gold”[1] and “the oil of the 21st Century.”[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_export Fresh water is scare. |
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On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 09:21:36 +1000, JohnJohn >
wrote: >On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 15:30:11 -0600, Mayo > wrote: > >>>> I believe you've still a monarchical Governor General to answer to. >>> >>> As long as Australia doesn't cut the umbilical cord, it's still some >>> sort of colony. I don't know what's stopping them. I guess people are >>> afraid of change. Especially older people. >> >>That is almost universally true. >> >>I'd need a careful explanation of precisely what the Crown offers your >>average Australian in terms of tangible benefits. > >I can't think of much. I think Australians with an English background >- the majority - like to keep a connection with the old motherland. >Other than that, I wouldn't know. It's not like the UK's holding a gun >to their head either. > >It could just be a matter of waiting for the next referendum. In 1999, >it was 54-45 in favour of keeping the link. The other thing to remember is that it has no real effect or impact on our day to day lives, which might have been a factor in many people being ambivalent about the matter. The only significant impact it has had - and it's a big one - was that the Governor General (Queen's representative) was used to dismiss our PM back in 1975. Otherwise, I can't think of anything else really. Oh... we get to spend lots of taxpayer money when royals visit... I guess that's something. .... and crappy women's magazines get to have endless royals stories to publish... |
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On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 09:28:50 +1000, JohnJohn >
wrote: >On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 09:17:00 +1000, Jeßus > wrote: > >>On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 07:19:15 +1000, JohnJohn > >>wrote: >> >>>On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 15:08:53 -0600, Mayo > wrote: >>> >>>>But is it really a true democracy? >>>> >>>>Or more in the parliamentary style? >>> >>>Where you elect politicians who then break all their promises until >>>the next election time, when they start to suck up again? >>> >>>>I believe you've still a monarchical Governor General to answer to. >> >>Which was the instrument used to sack our Prime Minster in 1975. >> >>>As long as Australia doesn't cut the umbilical cord, it's still some >>>sort of colony. I don't know what's stopping them. >> >>"Them"? Are you only here on holidays? > >Not at all. But I think Australia should be its own country and "them" >are the people who don't agree with that. > >>>I guess people are >>>afraid of change. Especially older people. >> >>Partly. I'm no monarchist by any means, but sometimes you need to be >>careful what you wish for. What exactly do we replace it with? A >>'Republic' can be all sorts of things, including a totalitarian state >>where most of the citizens think they live in a democracy. > >Why would Australia become a totalitarian state? It would remain a >democracy run by crappy politicians, just like all other democracies. I think I'll leave this one alone. |
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On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 09:48:14 +1000, JohnJohn >
wrote: >On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 09:45:17 +1000, Jeßus > wrote: > >>On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 09:21:36 +1000, JohnJohn > >>wrote: > >>>It could just be a matter of waiting for the next referendum. In 1999, >>>it was 54-45 in favour of keeping the link. >> >>The other thing to remember is that it has no real effect or impact on >>our day to day lives, which might have been a factor in many people >>being ambivalent about the matter. > >True. > >>The only significant impact it has had - and it's a big one - was that >>the Governor General (Queen's representative) was used to dismiss our >>PM back in 1975. Otherwise, I can't think of anything else really. > >That's some seriously weird stuff, though. It certainly was. You should do some research on it, since it is so significant to our history. You could almost describe it as a coup. |
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On 9/13/2014 5:31 PM, Jeßus wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 11:22:36 -0600, Mayo > wrote: > >> On 9/12/2014 10:40 PM, Jeßus wrote: >>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 22:23:40 -0600, Mayo > wrote: >>>> >>>> Lithium is the next resource war. >>> >>> No, water is. Well, it already is, come to think of it. >>> >> That's a far rejoinder, but scarcity hasn't really been noted, given >> desalination technology. > > Have you noticed how desalination technology hasn't really taken off, > despite the technology being available for decades? Difficult with 7 > billion people on the planet. Actually it has gotten momentum: http://www.waterfriendlygarden.com/r...ion+Plants.gif http://www.bna.com/us-desalination-i...-n17179876105/ With supplies of clean water becoming more scarce in certain areas and demand increasing, desalination is on the rise in the United States, water professionals told BNA. Half again as many municipal desalination plants were built between 2000 and 2010 as were built in the preceding three decades, according to research by water sector consultant Mike Mickley that was published in 2012 in the IDA Journal of Desalination and Water Reuse, the journal of the International Desalination Association. During that decade, 117 municipal desalination plants were constructed, bringing the total to 324 plants built since 1971, Mickley wrote in his article, “US Municipal Desalination Plants: Number, Types, Locations, Sizes, and Concentrate Management Practices.” Those figures include municipal plants with the capacity to produce 25,000 gallons per day or more of potable water. > California has been in drought this year, the worst in memory, IIRC... > compounded by mass exports of hay to China, which basically amounts to > exporting their water to China. It does, yes. > Clean water *is* a scarce resource, otherwise there wouldn't have been > a rush for investment in water and aquifers in the past decade. > Corporations have and are setting themselves up to lock up and control > the world's water supplies - Nestle's lovely CEO has been quoted as > saying that with the global population rising water is not a public > right, but a resource that should be managed by businessmen. I read that too. > From Wikipedia: > Water exports involve exporting freshwater from one country to > another. Large increases in human population and economic growth > throughout the world during the twentieth century placed a huge stress > on the world’s freshwater resources. Combined with climate change, > they will place an even greater demand on water resources in this > century. Water shortages have become an international concern, and > freshwater has been described as “blue gold”[1] and “the oil of the > 21st Century.”[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_export > > Fresh water is scare. I agree with that. There are plans to tow icebergs to China, and I wish I was kidding! |
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On 9/13/2014 5:31 PM, JohnJohn wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 17:26:03 -0600, Mayo > wrote: > >> On 9/13/2014 5:21 PM, JohnJohn wrote: >>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 15:30:11 -0600, Mayo > wrote: >>> >>>>>> I believe you've still a monarchical Governor General to answer to. >>>>> >>>>> As long as Australia doesn't cut the umbilical cord, it's still some >>>>> sort of colony. I don't know what's stopping them. I guess people are >>>>> afraid of change. Especially older people. >>>> >>>> That is almost universally true. >>>> >>>> I'd need a careful explanation of precisely what the Crown offers your >>>> average Australian in terms of tangible benefits. >>> >>> I can't think of much. I think Australians with an English background >>> - the majority - like to keep a connection with the old motherland. >>> Other than that, I wouldn't know. It's not like the UK's holding a gun >>> to their head either. >>> >>> It could just be a matter of waiting for the next referendum. In 1999, >>> it was 54-45 in favour of keeping the link. >>> >> My research indicates the tangible benefits are investments in natural >> resources firms. >> >> England is allegedly Australia's biggest investor, and I believe >> Australia is England's # 7 investor. > > I don't know if that would have to change. > It shouldn't have to, I think this mainly goes to the past, not the future. If Oz continues to be as good a resource play as it is now, investment should only increase. You may find this interesting; http://www.independentaustralia.net/...-republic,3989 |
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On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 09:55:06 +1000, JohnJohn >
wrote: >On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 09:51:16 +1000, Jeßus > wrote: > >>On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 09:28:50 +1000, JohnJohn > >>wrote: >> >>>On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 09:17:00 +1000, Jeßus > wrote: >>> >>>>On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 07:19:15 +1000, JohnJohn > >>>>wrote: >>>> >>>>>On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 15:08:53 -0600, Mayo > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>But is it really a true democracy? >>>>>> >>>>>>Or more in the parliamentary style? >>>>> >>>>>Where you elect politicians who then break all their promises until >>>>>the next election time, when they start to suck up again? >>>>> >>>>>>I believe you've still a monarchical Governor General to answer to. >>>> >>>>Which was the instrument used to sack our Prime Minster in 1975. >>>> >>>>>As long as Australia doesn't cut the umbilical cord, it's still some >>>>>sort of colony. I don't know what's stopping them. >>>> >>>>"Them"? Are you only here on holidays? >>> >>>Not at all. But I think Australia should be its own country and "them" >>>are the people who don't agree with that. >>> >>>>>I guess people are >>>>>afraid of change. Especially older people. >>>> >>>>Partly. I'm no monarchist by any means, but sometimes you need to be >>>>careful what you wish for. What exactly do we replace it with? A >>>>'Republic' can be all sorts of things, including a totalitarian state >>>>where most of the citizens think they live in a democracy. >>> >>>Why would Australia become a totalitarian state? It would remain a >>>democracy run by crappy politicians, just like all other democracies. >> >>I think I'll leave this one alone. > >It's your baby Heh... nah, I just don't want to go there right now, especially on this group |
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On 9/13/2014 10:19 AM, Gary wrote:
> wrote: >> >> I find when you get these huge corporations, they are in it to make a >> buck and could give shit about what they destroy. > > Every business in the entire world only starts up to make the most > money they can. Once you incorporate to expand the business, you then > have to answer to the stock holders. Naturally, they invested in you > and are only out for the money. Most of the "greedy people" are > normal people like me and you that invest our savings in a large > company and demand the most return on their investment. > > Big business is NOT the problem. It's all of us. Without big business > we would all be hurting or lacking in something that we love. > > All this crap just boils down to class envy. You hate someone that > makes more money than you do. > > G. > But we love it when our 401k or stock holdings go up. |
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On 9/13/2014 6:25 PM, JohnJohn wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 18:04:00 -0600, Mayo > wrote: > >> On 9/13/2014 5:31 PM, JohnJohn wrote: >>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 17:26:03 -0600, Mayo > wrote: >>> >>>> On 9/13/2014 5:21 PM, JohnJohn wrote: >>>>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 15:30:11 -0600, Mayo > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>>> I believe you've still a monarchical Governor General to answer to. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As long as Australia doesn't cut the umbilical cord, it's still some >>>>>>> sort of colony. I don't know what's stopping them. I guess people are >>>>>>> afraid of change. Especially older people. >>>>>> >>>>>> That is almost universally true. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'd need a careful explanation of precisely what the Crown offers your >>>>>> average Australian in terms of tangible benefits. >>>>> >>>>> I can't think of much. I think Australians with an English background >>>>> - the majority - like to keep a connection with the old motherland. >>>>> Other than that, I wouldn't know. It's not like the UK's holding a gun >>>>> to their head either. >>>>> >>>>> It could just be a matter of waiting for the next referendum. In 1999, >>>>> it was 54-45 in favour of keeping the link. >>>>> >>>> My research indicates the tangible benefits are investments in natural >>>> resources firms. >>>> >>>> England is allegedly Australia's biggest investor, and I believe >>>> Australia is England's # 7 investor. >>> >>> I don't know if that would have to change. >>> >> It shouldn't have to, I think this mainly goes to the past, not the >> future. If Oz continues to be as good a resource play as it is now, >> investment should only increase. >> >> You may find this interesting; >> >> http://www.independentaustralia.net/...-republic,3989 > > I agree with everything he says. > Glad it found receptive eyes. |
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