On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 08:17:16 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:


>
>You and I looked at different things. I immediately noticed how often
>the word 'may' or similar was used. That made me comfortable. No one
>was telling me this was ironclad fact. Then, I was fascinated by the
>idea that gut bacteria populations may be altered and thus may cause a
>problem with certain individuals of the human population. Of course,
>I have no problem accepting gut bacteria alteration when taking
>medication. But, soda?
>However, last month? there was a study that purported that diet soda
>may lead to heart disease. It seems diet soda is under scrutiny.
>
>Janet US


There is a decent write-up of the Nature article in Science News. It
gives more detailed info.

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/...bolic-problems

On 2014-09-18 2:13 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:

> There is a decent write-up of the Nature article in Science News. It
> gives more detailed info.
>
> https://www.sciencenews.org/article/...bolic-problems
>
Interesting article. What a shame that the information in it conflicts
with what Julie claims her doctors have told her. Here is a person who
claims to drink at least 12 cans of diet soda a day, likely a habit
started earlier with sugar loaded sodas, and suffering from the same
metabolic disorders that this article connects to the consumption of
diet sodas. She is in her mid 50s and suffering diabetic symptoms
usually seen in older diabetics. Go figger.

On 9/17/2014 4:44 PM, dsi1 wrote:

>>
>> Researchers trying to figure out whether artificial sweeteners really
>>
>> do make people fat think they�ve found a possible explanation � they
>>
>> may disrupt the bacteria in some people�s bodies.
>>
>>
>>
>> Their findings may shed light on why studies often contradict one
>>
>> another, with some finding that people who drink lots of diet drinks
>>
>> are more likely to be obese, with others finding they may help people
>>
>> keep weight off.
>>
>>
>>
>> Their answer: it may depend on what kind of gut bacteria you have to
>>
>> start with.


>
> That's one goofy study. Diet soda does not cause obeseity. Obese people are more likely to drink diet soda. That's like claiming large sized clothes cause obeseity.

I'd give it a "maybe". If the chemicals in artificial sweeteners do
disrupt or change the digestive system I can see it is "possible" to
cause weight gain.

Note, I did say "possible" not "it does"

On 9/18/2014 8:39 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 9/17/2014 4:44 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Researchers trying to figure out whether artificial sweeteners really
>>>
>>> do make people fat think they�ve found a possible explanation � they
>>>
>>> may disrupt the bacteria in some people�s bodies.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Their findings may shed light on why studies often contradict one
>>>
>>> another, with some finding that people who drink lots of diet drinks
>>>
>>> are more likely to be obese, with others finding they may help people
>>>
>>> keep weight off.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Their answer: it may depend on what kind of gut bacteria you have to
>>>
>>> start with.
>
>
>>
>> That's one goofy study. Diet soda does not cause obeseity. Obese
>> people are more likely to drink diet soda. That's like claiming large
>> sized clothes cause obeseity.
>
> I'd give it a "maybe". If the chemicals in artificial sweeteners do
> disrupt or change the digestive system I can see it is "possible" to
> cause weight gain.
>
> Note, I did say "possible" not "it does"

I think it could be possible too but as a practical matter, any effect
of giving up diet soda would be unlikely to result in weight loss.
That's just my awesome opinion.

My guess is that we could reduce the usage of these drinks by removing
caffeine and adding a percentage of sugars to the mix. OTOH, what soft
drink manufacturer would want to discourage people from promiscuously
drinking the stuff?

My take on this is that, this report aside, diet soda will continue to
take over market share. Diet soda the freaking wave of the future!

On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 14:13:35 -0400, Boron Elgar
> wrote:

>On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 08:17:16 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>You and I looked at different things. I immediately noticed how often
>>the word 'may' or similar was used. That made me comfortable. No one
>>was telling me this was ironclad fact. Then, I was fascinated by the
>>idea that gut bacteria populations may be altered and thus may cause a
>>problem with certain individuals of the human population. Of course,
>>I have no problem accepting gut bacteria alteration when taking
>>medication. But, soda?
>>However, last month? there was a study that purported that diet soda
>>may lead to heart disease. It seems diet soda is under scrutiny.
>>
>>Janet US
>
>
>There is a decent write-up of the Nature article in Science News. It
>gives more detailed info.
>
>https://www.sciencenews.org/article/...bolic-problems

Thanks G.
Janet US

On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 08:29:01 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Becca EmaNymton" > wrote in message
...
>> On 9/17/2014 5:52 PM, JohnJohn wrote:
>>> On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 15:13:24 -0700 (PDT), Bryan-TGWWW
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 4:03:21 PM UTC-5, Pico Rico wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I think it is because diet sodas taste chalky and make you thirsty.
>>>>
>>>> Those of us who enjoy them are more likely to feel that it is because
>>>> diet soft drinks taste good and feel good going down. I find them
>>>> thirst quenching.
>>>
>>> I always thought that kind of stuff was for children. Wait a moment, I
>>> still think that.
>>
>> Parents should not give artificial sweeteners to children, unless they
>> have a medical reason, their bodies are still forming. If adults want to
>> drink them, that is their choice.
>
>Says who?

Says common sense. Look at your own daughter.
Not to mention you.

On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 09:45:37 -0500, Becca EmaNymton
> wrote:

>On 9/17/2014 5:52 PM, JohnJohn wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 15:13:24 -0700 (PDT), Bryan-TGWWW
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 4:03:21 PM UTC-5, Pico Rico wrote:
>>
>>>> I think it is because diet sodas taste chalky and make you thirsty.
>>>
>>> Those of us who enjoy them are more likely to feel that it is because
>>> diet soft drinks taste good and feel good going down. I find them
>>> thirst quenching.
>>
>> I always thought that kind of stuff was for children. Wait a moment, I
>> still think that.
>
>Parents should not give artificial sweeteners to children, unless they
>have a medical reason, their bodies are still forming. If adults want to
>drink them, that is their choice.

Agreed. Why encourage them to develop bad dietary habits ASAP?

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 9/18/2014 8:39 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 9/17/2014 4:44 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> Researchers trying to figure out whether artificial sweeteners really
>>>>
>>>> do make people fat think they�ve found a possible explanation � they
>>>>
>>>> may disrupt the bacteria in some people�s bodies.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Their findings may shed light on why studies often contradict one
>>>>
>>>> another, with some finding that people who drink lots of diet drinks
>>>>
>>>> are more likely to be obese, with others finding they may help people
>>>>
>>>> keep weight off.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Their answer: it may depend on what kind of gut bacteria you have to
>>>>
>>>> start with.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> That's one goofy study. Diet soda does not cause obeseity. Obese
>>> people are more likely to drink diet soda. That's like claiming large
>>> sized clothes cause obeseity.
>>
>> I'd give it a "maybe". If the chemicals in artificial sweeteners do
>> disrupt or change the digestive system I can see it is "possible" to
>> cause weight gain.
>>
>> Note, I did say "possible" not "it does"
>
> I think it could be possible too but as a practical matter, any effect of
> giving up diet soda would be unlikely to result in weight loss. That's
> just my awesome opinion.
>
> My guess is that we could reduce the usage of these drinks by removing
> caffeine and adding a percentage of sugars to the mix. OTOH, what soft
> drink manufacturer would want to discourage people from promiscuously
> drinking the stuff?
>
> My take on this is that, this report aside, diet soda will continue to
> take over market share. Diet soda the freaking wave of the future!

I had a male coworker who switched from regular soda to diet. Made no other
changes to diet or exercise. Lost 10 pounds very quickly.

"Julie Bove" wrote:
>
>I had a male coworker who switched from regular soda to diet. Made no other
>changes to diet or exercise. Lost 10 pounds very quickly.

But you lost no weight, in fact you gained ten pounds... because your
coworker ate salads, fresh fruit, and exercised with his two cans of
diet soda... you on the other had sucked down 12-16 cans of diet soda
and used it to wash down greasy fries and fat tube steaks. Why does
it matter that it was a male coworker... coulda been just a
coworker... are you insinuating that it was a male coworker because
you sucked his dick?

On 9/18/2014 11:16 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>
> I had a male coworker who switched from regular soda to diet. Made no
> other changes to diet or exercise. Lost 10 pounds very quickly.

Results not typical, your results may vary. :-)

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
news
> "Julie Bove" wrote:
>>
>>I had a male coworker who switched from regular soda to diet. Made no
>>other
>>changes to diet or exercise. Lost 10 pounds very quickly.
>
> But you lost no weight, in fact you gained ten pounds... because your
> coworker ate salads, fresh fruit, and exercised with his two cans of
> diet soda... you on the other had sucked down 12-16 cans of diet soda
> and used it to wash down greasy fries and fat tube steaks. Why does
> it matter that it was a male coworker... coulda been just a
> coworker... are you insinuating that it was a male coworker because
> you sucked his dick?

Uh no. He ate cheeseburgers! I ate lunch with him and his wife daily. I
was a vegetarian and she is Jewish and doesn't eat pork. She often had a
sandwich that she called LT. It was a BLT with no bacon. I either brought
a salad from home or I had a vegetable plate. That would be whatever two
veggies they were serving that day with mashed potatoes and a roll. I often
didn't eat the roll.

I did lose weight in those days. I lost 30 pounds!

And I said male because it is a well known fact that males usually lose
weight faster than females.

On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 14:53:49 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
>news
>> "Julie Bove" wrote:
>>>
>>>I had a male coworker who switched from regular soda to diet. Made no
>>>other
>>>changes to diet or exercise. Lost 10 pounds very quickly.
>>
>> But you lost no weight, in fact you gained ten pounds... because your
>> coworker ate salads, fresh fruit, and exercised with his two cans of
>> diet soda... you on the other had sucked down 12-16 cans of diet soda
>> and used it to wash down greasy fries and fat tube steaks. Why does
>> it matter that it was a male coworker... coulda been just a
>> coworker... are you insinuating that it was a male coworker because
>> you sucked his dick?
>
>Uh no. He ate cheeseburgers! I ate lunch with him and his wife daily. I
>was a vegetarian and she is Jewish and doesn't eat pork. She often had a
>sandwich that she called LT. It was a BLT with no bacon. I either brought
>a salad from home or I had a vegetable plate. That would be whatever two
>veggies they were serving that day with mashed potatoes and a roll. I often
>didn't eat the roll.
>
>I did lose weight in those days. I lost 30 pounds!
>
>And I said male because it is a well known fact that males usually lose
>weight faster than females.

That's false... you sucked his dick... you obviously enjoy sucking
circumcised dicks, other wise why else would you mention he is Jewish?

On 9/18/2014 3:35 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> are you insinuating that it was a male coworker because
> you sucked his dick?
>

Why does your mind always seem to end up there?

On 9/18/2014 4:08 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> you obviously enjoy sucking
> circumcised dicks, other wise why else would you mention he is Jewish?

Do you have anything but crude in your inventory?

On 9/18/2014 6:02 PM, wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 18:00:19 -0600, Mayo > wrote:
>
>> On 9/18/2014 4:08 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> you obviously enjoy sucking
>>> circumcised dicks, other wise why else would you mention he is Jewish?
>>
>> Do you have anything but crude in your inventory?
>
> Don't you people have anything else you can discuss ???????? I think
> I can safely say you bore the hell out of the rest of us. Get a
> room, get a life, or get something for christs sake!
>

My point exactly.

I'll look at pics of his farm any time, the rest of his crudeness is passe.

On 9/18/2014 8:02 PM, wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 18:00:19 -0600, Mayo > wrote:
>
>> On 9/18/2014 4:08 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> you obviously enjoy sucking
>>> circumcised dicks, other wise why else would you mention he is Jewish?
>>
>> Do you have anything but crude in your inventory?
>
> Don't you people have anything else you can discuss ???????? I think
> I can safely say you bore the hell out of the rest of us. Get a
> room, get a life, or get something for christs sake!
>
He thinks he's being cute but there is nothing cute about it. He acts
like he's 12. Women don't find that endearing, we find it annoying.

Jill

On 9/18/2014 6:30 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 9/18/2014 8:02 PM, wrote:
>> On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 18:00:19 -0600, Mayo > wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/18/2014 4:08 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>> you obviously enjoy sucking
>>>> circumcised dicks, other wise why else would you mention he is Jewish?
>>>
>>> Do you have anything but crude in your inventory?
>>
>> Don't you people have anything else you can discuss ???????? I think
>> I can safely say you bore the hell out of the rest of us. Get a
>> room, get a life, or get something for christs sake!
>>
> He thinks he's being cute but there is nothing cute about it. He acts
> like he's 12. Women don't find that endearing, we find it annoying.
>
> Jill

So I'm only in your killfile for 3rd party replies?

Heh - as expected.

And please, no intimations that I have any interest in your endearment.

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 14:53:49 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
>>news
>>> "Julie Bove" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>I had a male coworker who switched from regular soda to diet. Made no
>>>>other
>>>>changes to diet or exercise. Lost 10 pounds very quickly.
>>>
>>> But you lost no weight, in fact you gained ten pounds... because your
>>> coworker ate salads, fresh fruit, and exercised with his two cans of
>>> diet soda... you on the other had sucked down 12-16 cans of diet soda
>>> and used it to wash down greasy fries and fat tube steaks. Why does
>>> it matter that it was a male coworker... coulda been just a
>>> coworker... are you insinuating that it was a male coworker because
>>> you sucked his dick?
>>
>>Uh no. He ate cheeseburgers! I ate lunch with him and his wife daily. I
>>was a vegetarian and she is Jewish and doesn't eat pork. She often had a
>>sandwich that she called LT. It was a BLT with no bacon. I either
>>brought
>>a salad from home or I had a vegetable plate. That would be whatever two
>>veggies they were serving that day with mashed potatoes and a roll. I
>>often
>>didn't eat the roll.
>>
>>I did lose weight in those days. I lost 30 pounds!
>>
>>And I said male because it is a well known fact that males usually lose
>>weight faster than females.
>
> That's false... you sucked his dick... you obviously enjoy sucking
> circumcised dicks, other wise why else would you mention he is Jewish?

I said his *wife* is Jewish. He is a Pentecost and his mom is a minster.
You are just some sort of sicko.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 9/18/2014 8:02 PM, wrote:
>> On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 18:00:19 -0600, Mayo > wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/18/2014 4:08 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>> you obviously enjoy sucking
>>>> circumcised dicks, other wise why else would you mention he is Jewish?
>>>
>>> Do you have anything but crude in your inventory?
>>
>> Don't you people have anything else you can discuss ???????? I think
>> I can safely say you bore the hell out of the rest of us. Get a
>> room, get a life, or get something for christs sake!
>>
> He thinks he's being cute but there is nothing cute about it. He acts
> like he's 12. Women don't find that endearing, we find it annoying.

Yep. It was annoying when we were 12 too.

On 9/18/2014 9:42 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 14:53:49 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
>>> news >>>> "Julie Bove" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I had a male coworker who switched from regular soda to diet. Made no
>>>>> other
>>>>> changes to diet or exercise. Lost 10 pounds very quickly.
>>>>
>>>> But you lost no weight, in fact you gained ten pounds... because your
>>>> coworker ate salads, fresh fruit, and exercised with his two cans of
>>>> diet soda... you on the other had sucked down 12-16 cans of diet soda
>>>> and used it to wash down greasy fries and fat tube steaks. Why does
>>>> it matter that it was a male coworker... coulda been just a
>>>> coworker... are you insinuating that it was a male coworker because
>>>> you sucked his dick?
>>>
>>> Uh no. He ate cheeseburgers! I ate lunch with him and his wife
>>> daily. I
>>> was a vegetarian and she is Jewish and doesn't eat pork. She often
>>> had a
>>> sandwich that she called LT. It was a BLT with no bacon. I either
>>> brought
>>> a salad from home or I had a vegetable plate. That would be whatever
>>> two
>>> veggies they were serving that day with mashed potatoes and a roll.
>>> I often
>>> didn't eat the roll.
>>>
>>> I did lose weight in those days. I lost 30 pounds!
>>>
>>> And I said male because it is a well known fact that males usually lose
>>> weight faster than females.
>>
>> That's false... you sucked his dick... you obviously enjoy sucking
>> circumcised dicks, other wise why else would you mention he is Jewish?
>
> I said his *wife* is Jewish. He is a Pentecost and his mom is a
> minster. You are just some sort of sicko.

No kidding.

"Jeßus" wrote:
>
> I guess pork soda is out of the question then.

Pork soda? ARRGHHHH!

On Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:31:31 PM UTC-5, Je�us wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 09:45:37 -0500, Becca EmaNymton
>
> > wrote:
>
>
>
> >On 9/17/2014 5:52 PM, JohnJohn wrote:
>
> >> On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 15:13:24 -0700 (PDT), Bryan-TGWWW
>
> >> > wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>> On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 4:03:21 PM UTC-5, Pico Rico wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>>> I think it is because diet sodas taste chalky and make you thirsty.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Those of us who enjoy them are more likely to feel that it is because
>
> >>> diet soft drinks taste good and feel good going down. I find them
>
> >>> thirst quenching.
>
> >>
>
> >> I always thought that kind of stuff was for children. Wait a moment, I
>
> >> still think that.
>
> >
>
> >Parents should not give artificial sweeteners to children, unless they
>
> >have a medical reason, their bodies are still forming. If adults want to
>
> >drink them, that is their choice.
>
Do you have a child under 18 right now? I didn't think so. Certainly, it
would be ideal to have kids drink more water, rather than sweet beverages,
but you have to pick your battles. Hey, I'm the parent that strictly
enforced wearing helmets when bicycling and skating, something I've
lightened up on a bit now that Johnny is almost 13, but I feel that diet
soda is preferable to sugar soda, and he doesn't drink a lot of it.
Sugary drinks wire him, and Diet Dr. Pepper doesn't.

Myself excepted, both our nuclear and extended families are not overweight,
and the only reason that I've struggled with weight is because I'm so damned
hedonistic, and I adore food.

Johnny gets more than enough sugar from breakfast cereals, which I also let
him have.
>
> Agreed. Why encourage them to develop bad dietary habits ASAP?
>
Being happy is a good habit. Joylessness is not. Again, I pick my battles.

--Bryan

On Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:56:18 AM UTC-5, JonesCrow wrote:
> I thinks diet Soda is packed with salt. The reason it is packet with
>
> salt is because salt helps to balance out the taste for the lack of
>
> sugar. Diet soda doesn't make me eat more, I've never heard of that.
>
Diet soda is not "packed with salt."
>
>
> --
>
> JonesCrow

--Bryan

On 9/19/2014 6:03 PM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
> On Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:56:18 AM UTC-5, JonesCrow wrote:
>> I thinks diet Soda is packed with salt. The reason it is packet with
>>
>> salt is because salt helps to balance out the taste for the lack of
>>
>> sugar. Diet soda doesn't make me eat more, I've never heard of that.
>>
> Diet soda is not "packed with salt."

You are right:

http://www.livestrong.com/article/27...n-soft-drinks/

Drinking a 12-ounce can of cola gives you around 12 milligrams of
sodium. Low-calorie caffeinated diet colas can have up to 24 milligrams
of sodium in 12 ounces. But usually noncaffeinated diet colas have about
the same 12 milligrams of sodium as regular colas. Regular caffeinated
pepper-type soft drinks have 36 milligrams of sodium in 12 ounces. If
you prefer caffeinated low-calorie pepper-flavored soft drinks, you’ll
get up to 60 milligrams of sodium, while noncaffeinated diet varieties
have around 12 milligrams per 12-ounce serving.

You can have up to 2,300 milligrams of sodium daily, as long as you’re
healthy. So that 12-ounce can of cola represents less than 3 percent of
your entire sodium allowance for the day. According to the Dietary
Guidelines for Americans 2010, if you have kidney problems, diabetes or
hypertension, or you are living with another chronic ailment, you should
limit your daily sodium intake to 1,500 milligrams. If you are in this
category, depending on which soft drink you choose, one can has up to 5
percent of your daily sodium allowance.

On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 1:44:11 PM UTC-5, Janet Bostwick wrote:
> Study Suggests Link Between Diet Soda and Heart Disease
>
> NBC Nightly News
>
> Maggie Fox
>
>
>
> Researchers trying to figure out whether artificial sweeteners really
>
> do make people fat think they�ve found a possible explanation � they
>
> may disrupt the bacteria in some people�s bodies.
>
>
>
> Their findings may shed light on why studies often contradict one
>
> another, with some finding that people who drink lots of diet drinks
>
> are more likely to be obese, with others finding they may help people
>
> keep weight off.
>
>
>
> Their answer: it may depend on what kind of gut bacteria you have to
>
> start with.
>
>
>
> They found clear evidence that artificial sweeteners, including
>
> saccharine and sucralose, can affect gut bacteria, which in turn
>
> affect how food is digested and metabolized. Mice and a very few
>
> people given artificial sweeteners for the first time showed distinct
>
> changes in the way their bodies processed sugar.
>
>
>
> It�s not a final answer, but the study, published in the journal
>
> Nature, may point research in a new direction. �Our findings suggest
>
> that non-caloric artificial sweeteners may have directly contributed
>
> to enhancing the exact epidemic that they themselves were intended to
>
> fight,� they wrote in their report.
>
>
>
> �I think we must stress that by no means are sugary drinks healthy."
>
>
>
> �By no means do we believe that based on the results of this study are
>
> we prepared to make recommendations as to the use and the dose of
>
> artificial sweeteners,� said Eran Segal of the Weizmann Institute of
>
> Science in Rehovot, Israel, who worked on the study. But, he added,
>
> �In none of these experiments have we seen any beneficial effects..� He
>
> said the findings should at least prompt closer examination of the
>
> very widespread popularity or artificial sweeteners.
>
>
>
> How could artificial sweeteners, which have no calories, affect
>
> metabolism? Segal pointed out that bacteria in the guts of both mice
>
> and people digest compounds that animals normally cannot, and they
>
> could thrive on chemicals that would not normally be used as food by
>
> people or animals.
>
>
>
> It�s another example of how the microbiome � the population of
>
> microbes living in and on our bodies � can have huge effects on
>
> health.
>
>
>
> Most of the study was done in mice. They fed the mice large amounts of
>
> sweeteners of all kinds and measured their gut bacteria and tested
>
> their metabolisms. Bacteria living in the intestines and colon are
>
> known to help digest food, and more and more studies are showing they
>
> can affect obesity and even appetite, as well as a tendency to
>
> disease.
>
>
>
> Mice fed the sweeteners had definite changes in both gut bacteria and
>
> metabolism. Sugar did not have the same effect. To make sure it was
>
> the gut bacteria, the researchers removed bacteria from mice that had
>
> not eaten sweeteners, and grew them in lab dishes along with
>
> artificial sweeteners. They then put these sweetener-fed bacteria into
>
> new mice. The new mice began to show the same changes in metabolism as
>
> mice directly fed sweeteners.
>
>
>
> The main flaws? Artificial sweeteners seemed to encourage a group of
>
> bacteria called Bacteroides and seemed to kill off another group
>
> called Clostridiales. Scientists are just beginning to understand what
>
> kinds of bacteria people have living inside their digestive systems
>
> and what balance might be healthy. But having too many Bacteroides and
>
> too few Clostridiales is a pattern sometimes seem in people with
>
> diabetes.
>
>
>
> The researchers used mostly saccharine in their controlled
>
> experiments, but they said in early tests the mice responded the same
>
> whatever sweetener they used � saccharine, sucralose, aspartame or
>
> others. This baffled them, because the sweeteners are chemically very
>
> different from one another.
>
>
>
> It�s worth more research, they said.
>
>
>
> Mice are different from people, of course, but they tried the
>
> experiment in a small group. Seven people who did not normally use
>
> artificial sweeteners were given large amounts for a week. In four of
>
> them, their blood sugar shot up and they had other changes to
>
> metabolism associated with weight gain and pre-diabetes.
>
>
>
> Larger studies have also suggested similar patterns � some people are
>
> adversely affected by sweeteners, while others are not. It may be a
>
> very individual thing, Segal said.
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>
>
> "Water is the best drink to control our blood sugar.�
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>
>
> �We are identifying many foods which are considered as healthy food to
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> have potential adverse effects for large subsets of individuals,� he
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> told reporters in a telephone briefing. Genetic differences already
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> demonstrate that some people can smoke tobacco with little effect,
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> while most develop heart disease or cancer.
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>
>
> �What was super-striking and interesting to us was that we could
>
> predict ahead of time (who would be affected by the sweeteners),�
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> Segal said. They profiled the microbiomes of their volunteers and
>
> found two distinct patterns. While everyone�s microbiome is different,
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> there were larger overall patterns, and these predicted who would be
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> affected by the sweeteners, Segal said.
>
>
>
> �I think we must stress that by no means are sugary drinks healthy and
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> that sugary drinks should be brought back as a healthy part of our
>
> nutrition,� added Eran Elinav, who led the research.
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>
>
> Researchers not involved in the study were skeptical, but most said
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> it�s worth looking into more.
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>
>
> �The study is based primarily on mouse experiments and only seven
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> human subjects were studied,� said endocrinologist Dr. Katarina Kos of
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> the University of Exeter in Britain.
>
>
>
> �Meanwhile, these findings support the widespread understanding that
>
> water is the healthiest drink option and that we should avoid sweet
>
> and sweetened drinks. Water is the best drink to control our blood
>
> sugar.�
>
>
>
> First published September 17th 2014, 11:01 am


Oh, they did a "study." Well, then, I guess that settles it forever.

On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 5:21:25 PM UTC-5, Pico Rico wrote:
> "Bryan-TGWWW" > wrote in message
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> ...
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> > On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 4:03:21 PM UTC-5, Pico Rico wrote:
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> >> "Bryan-TGWWW" > wrote in message
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> >> ...
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> >> > On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:05:24 PM UTC-5, Jinx the Minx wrote:
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> >> >> Janet Bostwick > wrote:
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> >> >> > On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 12:52:34 -0600, graham > wrote:
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> >> >> >> On 17/09/2014 12:44 PM, Janet Bostwick wrote:
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> >> >>
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> >>
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> >> >> >>> Study Suggests Link Between Diet Soda and Heart Disease
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> >> >>
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> >> >> >>> NBC Nightly News
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> >> >>
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> >> >> >>> Maggie Fox
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> >> >> >>>
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> >> >> >> A more interesting study might be one that tries to determine why
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> >> >> >> people
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> >>
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> >> >>
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> >>
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> >> >> >> drink such large quantities of these junk drinks in the first
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> >> >> >> place.
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> >> >>
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> >> >> >> Graham
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> >> >>
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> >> >> > addiction
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> >> >> > Janet US
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> >> >> Stupidity.
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> >> > It is because diet soft drinks taste good and feel good going down.
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> >> I think it is because diet sodas taste chalky and make you thirsty.
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> > Those of us who enjoy them are more likely to feel that it is because
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> > diet soft drinks taste good and feel good going down. I find them
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> > thirst quenching.
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> >
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> > --Bryan
>
>
>
> I suppose if nobody did they would not be on the shelves.

I really enjoy Cherry Zero, and Diet Dr. Pepper, but I go most days without
having even one. These days Istart in on coffee before 5 AM, and drink that
up until 1:30 PM. Then, it's water with dinner, then most often a few beers,
but if instead I have lemon drops, vodka gimlets or margs, those get sweetened
with sucralose.

If the gut biome thing is the big issue, I don't think I have to worry, since
I throw probiotics at myself in massive quantities. My son won't be getting any soda at all for a while as a punishment for unacceptable behavior.

--Bryan

On 9/18/2014 11:43 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>>>
>> He thinks he's being cute but there is nothing cute about it. He acts
>> like he's 12. Women don't find that endearing, we find it annoying.
>
> Yep. It was annoying when we were 12 too.

You can't say I never agree with you, Julie. It's like a teenage boy
saying something stupid like "Why don't you sit on my lap and we'll see
what 'comes up'?" It wasn't cute then and these days they'd just trying
to prove they still have a penis.

Jill

On 9/20/2014 3:25 PM, JohnJohn wrote:
>> My son won't be getting any
>> >soda at all for a while as a punishment for unacceptable behavior.
> Does he know how you behave here?
>
Now there's a question all right!

On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 17:01:27 -0700 (PDT), Bryan-TGWWW
> wrote:

>On Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:31:31 PM UTC-5, Je�us wrote:
>>
>> Agreed. Why encourage them to develop bad dietary habits ASAP?
>>
>Being happy is a good habit. Joylessness is not. Again, I pick my battles.

Sugar = joy and happiness. Okay.

On 9/20/2014 4:22 PM, Jeßus wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 17:01:27 -0700 (PDT), Bryan-TGWWW
> > wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:31:31 PM UTC-5, Je�us wrote:
>>>
>>> Agreed. Why encourage them to develop bad dietary habits ASAP?
>>>
>> Being happy is a good habit. Joylessness is not. Again, I pick my battles.
>
> Sugar = joy and happiness. Okay.
>
= diabetic issues in climax state.

On Saturday, September 20, 2014 4:25:08 PM UTC-5, JohnJohn wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 10:10:07 -0700 (PDT), Bryan-TGWWW
>
> > wrote:
>
>
>
> >I really enjoy Cherry Zero, and Diet Dr. Pepper, but I go most days without
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> >having even one. These days Istart in on coffee before 5 AM, and drink that
>
> >up until 1:30 PM.
>
>
>
> Doesn't it get cold?
>
I preheat the Stanley bottle. Besides, I don't like any food or drink
super hot.
>
> >Then, it's water with dinner, then most often a few beers,
>
> >but if instead I have lemon drops, vodka gimlets or margs, those get sweetened
>
> >with sucralose.
>
>
>
> E955, cool.
>
>
>
> > If the gut biome thing is the big issue, I don't think
> > I have to worry, since I throw probiotics at myself in
> > massive quantities. My son won't be getting any soda at
> > all for a while as a punishment for unacceptable behavior.
>
>
>
> Does he know how you behave here?
>
Nobody here gets anything they don't deserve.
>
> JohnJohn

--Bryan

On 9/20/2014 4:43 PM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
>> Does he know how you behave here?
>> >
> Nobody here gets anything they don't deserve.


"Deserve's got nothing to do with it..."

On Friday, September 19, 2014 7:10:52 PM UTC-5, Mayo wrote:
> On 9/19/2014 6:03 PM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:56:18 AM UTC-5, JonesCrow wrote:
>
> >> I thinks diet Soda is packed with salt. The reason it is packet with
>
> >>
>
> >> salt is because salt helps to balance out the taste for the lack of
>
> >>
>
> >> sugar. Diet soda doesn't make me eat more, I've never heard of that.
>
> >>
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> > Diet soda is not "packed with salt."
>
>
>
> You are right:
>
>
>
> http://www.livestrong.com/article/27...n-soft-drinks/
>
>
>
> Drinking a 12-ounce can of cola gives you around 12 milligrams of
>
> sodium. Low-calorie caffeinated diet colas can have up to 24 milligrams
>
> of sodium in 12 ounces. But usually noncaffeinated diet colas have about
>
> the same 12 milligrams of sodium as regular colas. Regular caffeinated
>
> pepper-type soft drinks have 36 milligrams of sodium in 12 ounces. If
>
> you prefer caffeinated low-calorie pepper-flavored soft drinks, you�ll
>
> get up to 60 milligrams of sodium, while noncaffeinated diet varieties
>
> have around 12 milligrams per 12-ounce serving.
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>
>
> You can have up to 2,300 milligrams of sodium daily, as long as you�re
>
> healthy. So that 12-ounce can of cola represents less than 3 percent of
>
> your entire sodium allowance for the day. According to the Dietary
>
> Guidelines for Americans 2010, if you have kidney problems, diabetes or
>
> hypertension, or you are living with another chronic ailment, you should
>
> limit your daily sodium intake to 1,500 milligrams. If you are in this
>
> category, depending on which soft drink you choose, one can has up to 5
>
> percent of your daily sodium allowance.

On work days I have more than 1500mg before 6 AM.
1 McD's sausage biscuit 1080mg
2 slices cheese 442mg
--------
1522mg

Lunch is probably 2000-3000, and dinner, another 1000-2000 or so.

So, I overshoot the sweet spot sometimes, but seldom undershoot.
http://www.medpagetoday.com/Cardiology/CHF/29857

--Bryan

On Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:08:15 PM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 14:53:49 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>
> > wrote:
>
>
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> >
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> >"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
>
> >news
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> >> "Julie Bove" wrote:
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> >>>
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> >>>I had a male coworker who switched from regular soda to diet. Made no
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> >>>other
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> >>>changes to diet or exercise. Lost 10 pounds very quickly.
>
> >>
>
> >> But you lost no weight, in fact you gained ten pounds... because your
>
> >> coworker ate salads, fresh fruit, and exercised with his two cans of
>
> >> diet soda... you on the other had sucked down 12-16 cans of diet soda
>
> >> and used it to wash down greasy fries and fat tube steaks. Why does
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> >> it matter that it was a male coworker... coulda been just a
>
> >> coworker... are you insinuating that it was a male coworker because
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> >> you sucked his dick?
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> >
>
> >Uh no. He ate cheeseburgers! I ate lunch with him and his wife daily. I
>
> >was a vegetarian and she is Jewish and doesn't eat pork. She often had a
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> >sandwich that she called LT. It was a BLT with no bacon. I either brought
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> >a salad from home or I had a vegetable plate. That would be whatever two
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> >veggies they were serving that day with mashed potatoes and a roll. I often
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> >didn't eat the roll.
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> >
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> >I did lose weight in those days. I lost 30 pounds!
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> >
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> >And I said male because it is a well known fact that males usually lose
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> >weight faster than females.
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>
>
> That's false... you sucked his dick... you obviously enjoy sucking
>
> circumcised dicks, other wise why else would you mention he is Jewish?

Is your brother circumcised, Sheldon, or did you have to peel back his
foreskin to get to the good part?

--Bryan

On Thursday, September 18, 2014 7:30:36 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
> On 9/18/2014 8:02 PM, wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 18:00:19 -0600, Mayo > wrote:
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> >
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> >> On 9/18/2014 4:08 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
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> >>> you obviously enjoy sucking
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> >>> circumcised dicks, other wise why else would you mention he is Jewish?
>
> >>
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> >> Do you have anything but crude in your inventory?
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> >
>
> > Don't you people have anything else you can discuss ???????? I think
>
> > I can safely say you bore the hell out of the rest of us. Get a
>
> > room, get a life, or get something for christs sake!
>
> >
>
> He thinks he's being cute but there is nothing cute about it. He acts
>
> like he's 12. Women don't find that endearing, we find it annoying.
>
Except that he probably doesn't care what some dried up, sexless old
crone like you thinks anyway, and besides, cut Sheldon some slack.
You don't know what it must be like to have childhood memories of
homosexual incest.
>
> Jill

--Bryan

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 9/18/2014 11:43 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>>
>>> He thinks he's being cute but there is nothing cute about it. He acts
>>> like he's 12. Women don't find that endearing, we find it annoying.
>>
>> Yep. It was annoying when we were 12 too.
>
> You can't say I never agree with you, Julie. It's like a teenage boy
> saying something stupid like "Why don't you sit on my lap and we'll see
> what 'comes up'?" It wasn't cute then and these days they'd just trying
> to prove they still have a penis.

Yep.

On 9/20/2014 7:25 PM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:

>
> Is your brother circumcised, Sheldon,

> --Bryan
>

I hope you send copies of these posts to your mother, wife, and rest of
your family. They'd be very proud of you.

"Christopher Helms" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> It's sarcasm, all right. These never ending "studies" always end up
> contradicting each other.

I saw a study that said that wasn't so. But another study is ongoing as we
speak.

On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 15:59:54 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>"Jeßus" wrote:
>>
>> I guess pork soda is out of the question then.
>
>Pork soda? ARRGHHHH!

Okay, Mr Picky... you have other options:
http://i0.huffpost.com/gen/600159/th...A-large570.jpg

On Sunday, September 21, 2014 8:43:52 AM UTC-5, Pico Rico wrote:
> "Christopher Helms" > wrote in message
>
> ...
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> >
>
> >
>
> > It's sarcasm, all right. These never ending "studies" always end up
>
> > contradicting each other.
>
>
>
> I saw a study that said that wasn't so. But another study is ongoing as we
>
> speak.


Sounds about right. After years of these studies, counter studies and everything else, the only thing I'm convinced of is that the things we eat and drink, and the way our bodies react to them, is an incredibly complicated business.