Ophelia, the Italian deli had passata! I know I've seen those
bottles, but passata (di pomodoro) is underneath Tomato Sauce so it
didn't jump out at me - not that I would know what the word passata
means, but I can guess because I know what di pomodoro is. It's not
cheap either $4 for 500g/520ml), so unless it absolutely blows me away
- it will be a one time purchase. I did find a recipe to make roasted
tomato passata and will try that soon.

Then I went to Costco and came away with a set of 2 Tramontina ProLine
half size/sheet baking pans for $10.99. - DD is going to be very happy
because she needs them for her "little-oven", but forgets to buy them
when she's out shopping.

My last stop was at Cash & Carry. Baby Back Ribs are on special for
$2.88 and come 3 to a package. We're having people over this weekend,
so I bought a package that was just shy of 9lbs. Happy, happy!


--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 16:23:05 -0700, sf > wrote:

>
>Ophelia, the Italian deli had passata! I know I've seen those
>bottles, but passata (di pomodoro) is underneath Tomato Sauce so it
>didn't jump out at me - not that I would know what the word passata
>means, but I can guess because I know what di pomodoro is. It's not
>cheap either $4 for 500g/520ml), so unless it absolutely blows me away
>- it will be a one time purchase. I did find a recipe to make roasted
>tomato passata and will try that soon.
>
>Then I went to Costco and came away with a set of 2 Tramontina ProLine
>half size/sheet baking pans for $10.99. - DD is going to be very happy
>because she needs them for her "little-oven", but forgets to buy them
>when she's out shopping.
>
>My last stop was at Cash & Carry. Baby Back Ribs are on special for
>$2.88 and come 3 to a package. We're having people over this weekend,
>so I bought a package that was just shy of 9lbs. Happy, happy!

Oh, come on. . .you went to those three stores and that was all you
bought??? I think not.
Janet US

sf wrote:

> My last stop was at Cash & Carry. Baby Back Ribs are on special for
> $2.88 and come 3 to a package. We're having people over this weekend,
> so I bought a package that was just shy of 9lbs. Happy, happy!

Warning! Warning! Once you figure out how to do real BBQ it's addictive.

On 9/17/2014 6:03 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> Whatever you do, DON'T LOOK IT UP and miss an opportunity to be
> ignorant.


Down Yappy, heel boy!

On 9/17/2014 6:06 PM, Pete C. wrote:
>
> sf wrote:
>
>> My last stop was at Cash & Carry. Baby Back Ribs are on special for
>> $2.88 and come 3 to a package. We're having people over this weekend,
>> so I bought a package that was just shy of 9lbs. Happy, happy!
>
> Warning! Warning! Once you figure out how to do real BBQ it's addictive.
>

I think it had her at cook #1....

"Pete C." wrote:
>
>Warning! Warning! Once you figure out how to do real BBQ it's addictive.

What BBQ mavens do is over season/overcook cheap cuts of meat... BBQ
isn't even about cooking, it's all about a bunch of rednecks
pretending to cook crapy food outdoors. BBQ is 100% trailor trash
cooking... over seasoned/overcooked cheapo meat... and pretnding they
love it... like the emporor's new clothes. A load of slobs drooling
over hobo soup kitchen cooking.

On 9/17/2014 6:30 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> "Pete C." wrote:
>>
>> Warning! Warning! Once you figure out how to do real BBQ it's addictive.
>
> What BBQ mavens do is over season/overcook cheap cuts of meat... BBQ
> isn't even about cooking, it's all about a bunch of rednecks
> pretending to cook crapy food outdoors. BBQ is 100% trailor trash
> cooking... over seasoned/overcooked cheapo meat... and pretnding they
> love it... like the emporor's new clothes. A load of slobs drooling
> over hobo soup kitchen cooking.
>

You speak like someone who's never been to the Carolinas...

On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 17:28:10 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:

> On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 16:23:05 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
> >
> >Ophelia, the Italian deli had passata! I know I've seen those
> >bottles, but passata (di pomodoro) is underneath Tomato Sauce so it
> >didn't jump out at me - not that I would know what the word passata
> >means, but I can guess because I know what di pomodoro is. It's not
> >cheap either $4 for 500g/520ml), so unless it absolutely blows me away
> >- it will be a one time purchase. I did find a recipe to make roasted
> >tomato passata and will try that soon.
> >
> >Then I went to Costco and came away with a set of 2 Tramontina ProLine
> >half size/sheet baking pans for $10.99. - DD is going to be very happy
> >because she needs them for her "little-oven", but forgets to buy them
> >when she's out shopping.
> >
> >My last stop was at Cash & Carry. Baby Back Ribs are on special for
> >$2.88 and come 3 to a package. We're having people over this weekend,
> >so I bought a package that was just shy of 9lbs. Happy, happy!
>
> Oh, come on. . .you went to those three stores and that was all you
> bought??? I think not.


You're right, I did buy more - but the reality is that I truly am a
restrained shopper. I dressed myself in new clothing for three
weddings this summer and didn't break $200. My little BBQ was only
one item on the August shopping spree bill. We bought patio furniture
in a late summer sale and lucky us got another 20% off an already
great price. We went back a couple of weeks later, saw that one of
our purchases was another $100 less and they gave us the $100
difference - PLUS the tax. It certainly pays to ask.

Did I just make your heart skip a beat, dsi1? LOL

How did that rate on your scale, "never paid retail" Janet W?


--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 19:06:54 -0500, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>
> sf wrote:
>
> > My last stop was at Cash & Carry. Baby Back Ribs are on special for
> > $2.88 and come 3 to a package. We're having people over this weekend,
> > so I bought a package that was just shy of 9lbs. Happy, happy!
>
> Warning! Warning! Once you figure out how to do real BBQ it's addictive.

LOL - so true! At least this smoke is legal. )


--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 18:11:52 -0600, Mayo > wrote:

> On 9/17/2014 6:06 PM, Pete C. wrote:
> >
> > sf wrote:
> >
> >> My last stop was at Cash & Carry. Baby Back Ribs are on special for
> >> $2.88 and come 3 to a package. We're having people over this weekend,
> >> so I bought a package that was just shy of 9lbs. Happy, happy!
> >
> > Warning! Warning! Once you figure out how to do real BBQ it's addictive.
> >
>
> I think it had her at cook #1....

You noticed???


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Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 18:10:53 -0600, Mayo > wrote:

> On 9/17/2014 6:03 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> > Whatever you do, DON'T LOOK IT UP and miss an opportunity to be
> > ignorant.
>
>
> Down Yappy, heel boy!

He's all bark and no bite.


--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

sf wrote:
>
> On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 19:06:54 -0500, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
> >
> > sf wrote:
> >
> > > My last stop was at Cash & Carry. Baby Back Ribs are on special for
> > > $2.88 and come 3 to a package. We're having people over this weekend,
> > > so I bought a package that was just shy of 9lbs. Happy, happy!
> >
> > Warning! Warning! Once you figure out how to do real BBQ it's addictive.
>
> LOL - so true! At least this smoke is legal. )

For now... I'm sure your crazy CARB is trying to figure out how to
regulate BBQ smokers...

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 16:23:05 -0700, sf wrote:
>
>> Ophelia, the Italian deli had passata! I know I've seen those
>> bottles, but passata (di pomodoro) is underneath Tomato Sauce so it
>> didn't jump out at me - not that I would know what the word passata
>> means, but I can guess because I know what di pomodoro is.
>
> Put a fancy foreign name on simple tomato puree and the gullible get
> all giddy and excited.
>
> Whatever you do, DON'T LOOK IT UP and miss an opportunity to be
> ignorant.
>
>> It's not
>> cheap either $4 for 500g/520ml), so unless it absolutely blows me away
>> - it will be a one time purchase.
>
> Sucker.
>
> -sw

I always look at Big Lots for tomato products now. I get the best deals
there and at Winco but Big Lots often has other brands that I can't get at
other places around here. I am not too picky about my tomato products
though but with Hunts being probably my least favorite. If I don't have one
thing, I'll sub another, adding more liquid if necessary.

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> "Pete C." wrote:
>>
>>Warning! Warning! Once you figure out how to do real BBQ it's addictive.
>
> What BBQ mavens do is over season/overcook cheap cuts of meat... BBQ
> isn't even about cooking, it's all about a bunch of rednecks
> pretending to cook crapy food outdoors. BBQ is 100% trailor trash
> cooking... over seasoned/overcooked cheapo meat... and pretnding they
> love it... like the emporor's new clothes. A load of slobs drooling
> over hobo soup kitchen cooking.

That's kind of how I think of it too.

My dad used to BBQ perhaps once or twice a year. It was either steaks or
hamburgers. When I knew he was firing up the BBQ, I would run and look for
recipes that I could make. I remember making bananas and potatoes on the
grill. Nobody liked the bananas.

Then in more recent years I bought him a new set of BBQ tools and a
cookbook. He just sort of sighed at them and then told me that he really
never liked to BBQ. All these years, I thought he did! I guess he just
sort of felt that he needed to do it because for some reason at least in
this country, it is considered a manly thing to do.

But even though we came from KS where BBQ is big, that type of food is just
not what my family likes. We did do it during the summer at my
grandparent's farm. I think the only reason for this is that they had a
total of 8 kids and all of those kids got married and had kids. Then we had
extended family beyond that. So at times we probably had close to 60-70
people there. We brought our own tables and chairs to eat at and those that
had BBQs probably brought them as well.

I don't remember eating any stuff with BBW sauce on it there though. I
think it was usually hot dogs and hamburgers. Probably at times there was
game meat as we did have hunters in the family. Probably it was bring your
own meat! We moved from there when I was 7 so don't remember the
particulars.

We also had tons of fresh fruit and vegetables grown on the farm, and there
was always homemade ice cream.

Then in CA, we had neighbors who BBQed pretty much every weekend and I know
that was cheap meat. The woman was Thai so she made mostly Thai food. She
had me pick up the meat for her sometimes as she couldn't drive. I can't
remember the cut of beef now but it was extremely cheap. She would marinate
it all night. Also ground pork that she used in egg rolls. Those obviously
weren't BBQed but the meat was. And she got some kind of little sea
creatures in Oakland. They looked like little octopus. Not sure what they
really were. People did go nuts over her food though! But the only thing I
ate that she cooked were corn fritters. Probably not even Thai at all.

On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 19:38:04 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
snip
>
>My dad used to BBQ perhaps once or twice a year. It was either steaks or
>hamburgers. When I knew he was firing up the BBQ, I would run and look for
>recipes that I could make.
snip
What you dad did was "grill". He did not do BBQ in the sense that we
are discussing. You may have called it barbeque but it is not what we
are talking about.
Janet US

On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 20:49:12 -0500, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>
> sf wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 19:06:54 -0500, "Pete C." >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > sf wrote:
> > >
> > > > My last stop was at Cash & Carry. Baby Back Ribs are on special for
> > > > $2.88 and come 3 to a package. We're having people over this weekend,
> > > > so I bought a package that was just shy of 9lbs. Happy, happy!
> > >
> > > Warning! Warning! Once you figure out how to do real BBQ it's addictive.
> >
> > LOL - so true! At least this smoke is legal. )
>
> For now... I'm sure your crazy CARB is trying to figure out how to
> regulate BBQ smokers.

Please speak English.

--

Never trust a dog to watch your food.

On 9/17/2014 8:33 PM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 17:28:10 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> > wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 16:23:05 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Ophelia, the Italian deli had passata! I know I've seen those
>>> bottles, but passata (di pomodoro) is underneath Tomato Sauce so it
>>> didn't jump out at me - not that I would know what the word passata
>>> means, but I can guess because I know what di pomodoro is. It's not
>>> cheap either $4 for 500g/520ml), so unless it absolutely blows me away
>>> - it will be a one time purchase. I did find a recipe to make roasted
>>> tomato passata and will try that soon.
>>>
>>> Then I went to Costco and came away with a set of 2 Tramontina ProLine
>>> half size/sheet baking pans for $10.99. - DD is going to be very happy
>>> because she needs them for her "little-oven", but forgets to buy them
>>> when she's out shopping.
>>>
>>> My last stop was at Cash & Carry. Baby Back Ribs are on special for
>>> $2.88 and come 3 to a package. We're having people over this weekend,
>>> so I bought a package that was just shy of 9lbs. Happy, happy!
>>
>> Oh, come on. . .you went to those three stores and that was all you
>> bought??? I think not.
>
>
> You're right, I did buy more - but the reality is that I truly am a
> restrained shopper. I dressed myself in new clothing for three
> weddings this summer and didn't break $200. My little BBQ was only
> one item on the August shopping spree bill. We bought patio furniture
> in a late summer sale and lucky us got another 20% off an already
> great price. We went back a couple of weeks later, saw that one of
> our purchases was another $100 less and they gave us the $100
> difference - PLUS the tax. It certainly pays to ask.
>
> Did I just make your heart skip a beat, dsi1? LOL
>
> How did that rate on your scale, "never paid retail" Janet W?
>
>

I'd say that rated pretty high. :-)

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 21:21:42 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:

> On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 19:38:04 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
> snip
> >
> >My dad used to BBQ perhaps once or twice a year. It was either steaks or
> >hamburgers. When I knew he was firing up the BBQ, I would run and look for
> >recipes that I could make.
> snip
> What you dad did was "grill". He did not do BBQ in the sense that we
> are discussing. You may have called it barbeque but it is not what we
> are talking about.
> Janet

Grill and barbecue are both nouns and verbs and their use depends on
the region you live in the USA. Context is everything! I'm talking
the same BBQ language that Mayo, Ed and Pete are talking at this point
in time and I really appreciate their input.

--

Never trust a dog to watch your food.

On 9/17/2014 7:36 PM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 18:11:52 -0600, Mayo > wrote:
>
>> On 9/17/2014 6:06 PM, Pete C. wrote:
>>>
>>> sf wrote:
>>>
>>>> My last stop was at Cash & Carry. Baby Back Ribs are on special for
>>>> $2.88 and come 3 to a package. We're having people over this weekend,
>>>> so I bought a package that was just shy of 9lbs. Happy, happy!
>>>
>>> Warning! Warning! Once you figure out how to do real BBQ it's addictive.
>>>
>>
>> I think it had her at cook #1....
>
> You noticed???
>
>
Lol, just slightly!

:-)

On 9/17/2014 7:38 PM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 18:10:53 -0600, Mayo > wrote:
>
>> On 9/17/2014 6:03 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>> Whatever you do, DON'T LOOK IT UP and miss an opportunity to be
>>> ignorant.
>>
>>
>> Down Yappy, heel boy!
>
> He's all bark and no bite.
>
>
If only someone could have taught him to lift his leg...

sf wrote:
>
> On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 20:49:12 -0500, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
> >
> > sf wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 19:06:54 -0500, "Pete C." >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > sf wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > My last stop was at Cash & Carry. Baby Back Ribs are on special for
> > > > > $2.88 and come 3 to a package. We're having people over this weekend,
> > > > > so I bought a package that was just shy of 9lbs. Happy, happy!
> > > >
> > > > Warning! Warning! Once you figure out how to do real BBQ it's addictive.
> > >
> > > LOL - so true! At least this smoke is legal. )
> >
> > For now... I'm sure your crazy CARB is trying to figure out how to
> > regulate BBQ smokers.
>
> Please speak English.

That is english. The fact that someone living in CA doesn't know what
the infamous CARB is explains how it can exist.

http://www.arb.ca.gov

On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 21:48:14 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 21:21:42 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 19:38:04 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>> snip
>> >
>> >My dad used to BBQ perhaps once or twice a year. It was either steaks or
>> >hamburgers. When I knew he was firing up the BBQ, I would run and look for
>> >recipes that I could make.
>> snip
>> What you dad did was "grill". He did not do BBQ in the sense that we
>> are discussing. You may have called it barbeque but it is not what we
>> are talking about.
>> Janet
>
>Grill and barbecue are both nouns and verbs and their use depends on
>the region you live in the USA. Context is everything! I'm talking
>the same BBQ language that Mayo, Ed and Pete are talking at this point
>in time and I really appreciate their input.

I know. The same thing came up a couple of days ago and it was
pointed out to Julie that was she was talking about with steaks was
grilling not BBQ.
non sequitur: In Wisconsin, when I was a child, grilling was called
'having a fry out.' Burgers and brats.
Janet US

On 9/17/2014 11:21 PM, Janet Bostwick wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 19:38:04 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
> snip
>>
>> My dad used to BBQ perhaps once or twice a year. It was either steaks or
>> hamburgers. When I knew he was firing up the BBQ, I would run and look for
>> recipes that I could make.
> snip
> What you dad did was "grill". He did not do BBQ in the sense that we
> are discussing. You may have called it barbeque but it is not what we
> are talking about.
> Janet US
>

Yep, there's a world of difference between grilling and actual long,
slow BBQ'ing.

Jill

On 9/18/2014 10:59 AM, Janet Bostwick wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 21:48:14 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 21:21:42 -0600, Janet Bostwick
>> > wrote:
>
> I know. The same thing came up a couple of days ago and it was
> pointed out to Julie that was she was talking about with steaks was
> grilling not BBQ.
> non sequitur: In Wisconsin, when I was a child, grilling was called
> 'having a fry out.' Burgers and brats.
> Janet US
>
Oooh! I love grilled brats! I should buy some soon. That or Italian
sausage. Publix sells their store brand brats and sausage for less than
the 'Johnsonville' stuff. But yes, that's grilling, not BBQ'ing.
Cooked over hot coals, rather quickly. Not long, slow cooking.

Jill

On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 09:35:13 -0500, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>
> sf wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 20:49:12 -0500, "Pete C." >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > sf wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 19:06:54 -0500, "Pete C." >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > sf wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > My last stop was at Cash & Carry. Baby Back Ribs are on special for
> > > > > > $2.88 and come 3 to a package. We're having people over this weekend,
> > > > > > so I bought a package that was just shy of 9lbs. Happy, happy!
> > > > >
> > > > > Warning! Warning! Once you figure out how to do real BBQ it's addictive.
> > > >
> > > > LOL - so true! At least this smoke is legal. )
> > >
> > > For now... I'm sure your crazy CARB is trying to figure out how to
> > > regulate BBQ smokers.
> >
> > Please speak English.
>
> That is english. The fact that someone living in CA doesn't know what
> the infamous CARB is explains how it can exist.
>
> http://www.arb.ca.gov

We don't call it CARB. We call it the Air Climate Control Board.
Only people who don't live in California are stupid enough to call it
CARB, mainly so they can ignore the purpose it serves.


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Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

"Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 21:48:14 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 21:21:42 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 19:38:04 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>> snip
>>> >
>>> >My dad used to BBQ perhaps once or twice a year. It was either steaks
>>> >or
>>> >hamburgers. When I knew he was firing up the BBQ, I would run and look
>>> >for
>>> >recipes that I could make.
>>> snip
>>> What you dad did was "grill". He did not do BBQ in the sense that we
>>> are discussing. You may have called it barbeque but it is not what we
>>> are talking about.
>>> Janet
>>
>>Grill and barbecue are both nouns and verbs and their use depends on
>>the region you live in the USA. Context is everything! I'm talking
>>the same BBQ language that Mayo, Ed and Pete are talking at this point
>>in time and I really appreciate their input.
>
> I know. The same thing came up a couple of days ago and it was
> pointed out to Julie that was she was talking about with steaks was
> grilling not BBQ.
> non sequitur: In Wisconsin, when I was a child, grilling was called
> 'having a fry out.' Burgers and brats.
> Janet US

Whoever pointed it out to me must be in my KF then. Here, what we mean by
BBQ is the use of an outdoor cooker that takes gas or charcoal. If that's
not what it is, then what is it? And why is it called a BBQ? And that
*is* what it is called.

sf wrote:
>
> On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 09:35:13 -0500, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
> >
> > sf wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 20:49:12 -0500, "Pete C." >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > sf wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 19:06:54 -0500, "Pete C." >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > sf wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > My last stop was at Cash & Carry. Baby Back Ribs are on special for
> > > > > > > $2.88 and come 3 to a package. We're having people over this weekend,
> > > > > > > so I bought a package that was just shy of 9lbs. Happy, happy!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Warning! Warning! Once you figure out how to do real BBQ it's addictive.
> > > > >
> > > > > LOL - so true! At least this smoke is legal. )
> > > >
> > > > For now... I'm sure your crazy CARB is trying to figure out how to
> > > > regulate BBQ smokers.
> > >
> > > Please speak English.
> >
> > That is english. The fact that someone living in CA doesn't know what
> > the infamous CARB is explains how it can exist.
> >
> > http://www.arb.ca.gov
>
> We don't call it CARB. We call it the Air Climate Control Board.
> Only people who don't live in California are stupid enough to call it
> CARB, mainly so they can ignore the purpose it serves.

The correct name is California Air Resources Board thus their web site
arb.ca That is also why the various items they regulate are assigned
CARB EO numbers and are marked with those CARBxxxxx numbers. If you call
it something other than it's actual official name, that is a different
issue.

On 2014-09-18 12:10 PM, Julie Bove wrote:

> Whoever pointed it out to me must be in my KF then.

Too bad. That denies you so many opportunities to satisfy your
compulsive posting.

> Here, what we mean
> by BBQ is the use of an outdoor cooker that takes gas or charcoal. If
> that's not what it is, then what is it? And why is it called a BBQ?
> And that *is* what it is called.

I will agree with you there. There are some places in the US where BBQ
means something quite specific, basically hot smoked and most often
pork. In Canada, we buy BBQs, either charcoal/briquette or gas, and
cooking on those things is BBQing.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 09:35:13 -0500, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> sf wrote:
>> >
>> > On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 20:49:12 -0500, "Pete C." >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > > sf wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 19:06:54 -0500, "Pete C."
>> > > > >
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > sf wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > My last stop was at Cash & Carry. Baby Back Ribs are on
>> > > > > > special for
>> > > > > > $2.88 and come 3 to a package. We're having people over this
>> > > > > > weekend,
>> > > > > > so I bought a package that was just shy of 9lbs. Happy, happy!
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Warning! Warning! Once you figure out how to do real BBQ it's
>> > > > > addictive.
>> > > >
>> > > > LOL - so true! At least this smoke is legal. )
>> > >
>> > > For now... I'm sure your crazy CARB is trying to figure out how to
>> > > regulate BBQ smokers.
>> >
>> > Please speak English.
>>
>> That is english. The fact that someone living in CA doesn't know what
>> the infamous CARB is explains how it can exist.
>>
>> http://www.arb.ca.gov
>
> We don't call it CARB. We call it the Air Climate Control Board.
> Only people who don't live in California are stupid enough to call it
> CARB, mainly so they can ignore the purpose it serves.

I call it the CA Air Resources Board.

Cheri

Cheri wrote:
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 09:35:13 -0500, "Pete C." >
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> sf wrote:
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 20:49:12 -0500, "Pete C." >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > > sf wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 19:06:54 -0500, "Pete C."
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > sf wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > My last stop was at Cash & Carry. Baby Back Ribs are on
> >> > > > > > special for
> >> > > > > > $2.88 and come 3 to a package. We're having people over this
> >> > > > > > weekend,
> >> > > > > > so I bought a package that was just shy of 9lbs. Happy, happy!
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Warning! Warning! Once you figure out how to do real BBQ it's
> >> > > > > addictive.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > LOL - so true! At least this smoke is legal. )
> >> > >
> >> > > For now... I'm sure your crazy CARB is trying to figure out how to
> >> > > regulate BBQ smokers.
> >> >
> >> > Please speak English.
> >>
> >> That is english. The fact that someone living in CA doesn't know what
> >> the infamous CARB is explains how it can exist.
> >>
> >> http://www.arb.ca.gov
> >
> > We don't call it CARB. We call it the Air Climate Control Board.
> > Only people who don't live in California are stupid enough to call it
> > CARB, mainly so they can ignore the purpose it serves.
>
> I call it the CA Air Resources Board.

Yes, that is the correct designation. You will find it as CARB on
literally millions of regulated items marked with their CARBxxxx EO
numbers, and in all of the associated documentation from the items
manufacturers such as Ford, GM, etc. you know those little ignorant red
neck companies stupid enough to refer to the California Air Resources
Board as "CARB".

On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 14:06:25 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2014-09-18 12:10 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> Whoever pointed it out to me must be in my KF then.
>
>Too bad. That denies you so many opportunities to satisfy your
>compulsive posting.
>
>> Here, what we mean
>> by BBQ is the use of an outdoor cooker that takes gas or charcoal. If
>> that's not what it is, then what is it? And why is it called a BBQ?
>> And that *is* what it is called.
>
>I will agree with you there. There are some places in the US where BBQ
>means something quite specific, basically hot smoked and most often
>pork. In Canada, we buy BBQs, either charcoal/briquette or gas, and
>cooking on those things is BBQing.

I never denied that is so. I was very careful to explain that her BBQ
was not what we were discussing. I do not mean to challenge the term
BBQ for a piece of equipment. Throwing a steak on the fire for 5
minutes per side is not the same as doing 12 pounds of pig slow and
low for 5-6 hours. There is nothing applicable between the two except
perhaps lighting the match.
Janet US

On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 09:05:31 -0700, sf > wrote:
snip
>
>We don't call it CARB. We call it the Air Climate Control Board.
>Only people who don't live in California are stupid enough to call it
>CARB, mainly so they can ignore the purpose it serves.

I don't care what it is called.. California could you please keep the
smoke from your fires within your state? At 9:30 the morning we had
to drive with lights on. You could be forgiven for thinking it was
dusk. It was dark outside. The sky didn't lift at all until maybe
2. We still are unable to see our foothills. The air smells as
though the fire is in our neighborhood. 'Nuff bitchin. How are you
California guys doing what with the fires and drought?
Janet US

"Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 14:06:25 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>>On 2014-09-18 12:10 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>> Whoever pointed it out to me must be in my KF then.
>>
>>Too bad. That denies you so many opportunities to satisfy your
>>compulsive posting.
>>
>>> Here, what we mean
>>> by BBQ is the use of an outdoor cooker that takes gas or charcoal. If
>>> that's not what it is, then what is it? And why is it called a BBQ?
>>> And that *is* what it is called.
>>
>>I will agree with you there. There are some places in the US where BBQ
>>means something quite specific, basically hot smoked and most often
>>pork. In Canada, we buy BBQs, either charcoal/briquette or gas, and
>>cooking on those things is BBQing.
>
> I never denied that is so. I was very careful to explain that her BBQ
> was not what we were discussing. I do not mean to challenge the term
> BBQ for a piece of equipment. Throwing a steak on the fire for 5
> minutes per side is not the same as doing 12 pounds of pig slow and
> low for 5-6 hours. There is nothing applicable between the two except
> perhaps lighting the match.
> Janet US

Here we would call such cooking, smoking.

On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 08:59:26 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:

> I know. The same thing came up a couple of days ago and it was
> pointed out to Julie that was she was talking about with steaks was
> grilling not BBQ.
> non sequitur: In Wisconsin, when I was a child, grilling was called
> 'having a fry out.' Burgers and brats.

We called it barbecue in Michigan, but it was also a cookout.
Barbecue at my house meant we were doing it indoors (there was a BBQ
grill next to the fireplace that was fired by coals from the real wood
fire in the winter. Summers meant we cooked outdoors (aka: cookout)
on a BBQ from the '30s. It was only steaks and burgers, never any
kind of pork - hot dogs were cooked to perfection at the end of a hot
dog fork. Our property had been a resort in another lifetime, so
there was more than one barbecue and they were very close to, if not
exactly like this one.
http://artsandcraftshomes.com/wp-con...e_KenDruse.jpg


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Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 15:26:36 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:

> On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 09:05:31 -0700, sf > wrote:
> snip
> >
> >We don't call it CARB. We call it the Air Climate Control Board.
> >Only people who don't live in California are stupid enough to call it
> >CARB, mainly so they can ignore the purpose it serves.
>
> I don't care what it is called.. California could you please keep the
> smoke from your fires within your state? At 9:30 the morning we had
> to drive with lights on. You could be forgiven for thinking it was
> dusk. It was dark outside. The sky didn't lift at all until maybe
> 2. We still are unable to see our foothills. The air smells as
> though the fire is in our neighborhood. 'Nuff bitchin. How are you
> California guys doing what with the fires and drought?
> Janet US

I understand, we need rain BADLY.

Our visit to the Grand Canyon was ruined by smoke from fires there and
smoke from fires in Washington state ruined a car trip to the sights
in Wyoming and South Dakota.


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Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

sf wrote:
>
> On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 15:26:36 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> > wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 09:05:31 -0700, sf > wrote:
> > snip
> > >
> > >We don't call it CARB. We call it the Air Climate Control Board.
> > >Only people who don't live in California are stupid enough to call it
> > >CARB, mainly so they can ignore the purpose it serves.
> >
> > I don't care what it is called.. California could you please keep the
> > smoke from your fires within your state? At 9:30 the morning we had
> > to drive with lights on. You could be forgiven for thinking it was
> > dusk. It was dark outside. The sky didn't lift at all until maybe
> > 2. We still are unable to see our foothills. The air smells as
> > though the fire is in our neighborhood. 'Nuff bitchin. How are you
> > California guys doing what with the fires and drought?
> > Janet US
>
> I understand, we need rain BADLY.
>
> Our visit to the Grand Canyon was ruined by smoke from fires there and
> smoke from fires in Washington state ruined a car trip to the sights
> in Wyoming and South Dakota.

It's all in cycles, Texas has had a bad drought for a few years but
we're doing pretty well this year. Prior to the drought we had a really
wet year including flooding and a few people drowning in my area. I
expect the next few years will be ok, then probably some more drought,
etc. One of the reasons I plan to do aquaponic farming at my next place
since it uses vastly (75%) less water than old school dirt farming. The
big commercial farms are going to ultimately have to go there as well,
perhaps going through drip irrigation as an intermediate step, replacing
the incredibly wasteful pivot irrigation that is the norm.

On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 18:07:48 -0500, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>
> sf wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 15:26:36 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 09:05:31 -0700, sf > wrote:
> > > snip
> > > >
> > > >We don't call it CARB. We call it the Air Climate Control Board.
> > > >Only people who don't live in California are stupid enough to call it
> > > >CARB, mainly so they can ignore the purpose it serves.
> > >
> > > I don't care what it is called.. California could you please keep the
> > > smoke from your fires within your state? At 9:30 the morning we had
> > > to drive with lights on. You could be forgiven for thinking it was
> > > dusk. It was dark outside. The sky didn't lift at all until maybe
> > > 2. We still are unable to see our foothills. The air smells as
> > > though the fire is in our neighborhood. 'Nuff bitchin. How are you
> > > California guys doing what with the fires and drought?
> > > Janet US
> >
> > I understand, we need rain BADLY.
> >
> > Our visit to the Grand Canyon was ruined by smoke from fires there and
> > smoke from fires in Washington state ruined a car trip to the sights
> > in Wyoming and South Dakota.
>
> It's all in cycles, Texas has had a bad drought for a few years but
> we're doing pretty well this year. Prior to the drought we had a really
> wet year including flooding and a few people drowning in my area. I
> expect the next few years will be ok, then probably some more drought,
> etc. One of the reasons I plan to do aquaponic farming at my next place
> since it uses vastly (75%) less water than old school dirt farming. The
> big commercial farms are going to ultimately have to go there as well,
> perhaps going through drip irrigation as an intermediate step, replacing
> the incredibly wasteful pivot irrigation that is the norm.

It seems like the West is so parched, it's starting to blow away and
the East is drowning.


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Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

sf wrote:
>
> On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 18:07:48 -0500, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
> >
> > sf wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 15:26:36 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 09:05:31 -0700, sf > wrote:
> > > > snip
> > > > >
> > > > >We don't call it CARB. We call it the Air Climate Control Board.
> > > > >Only people who don't live in California are stupid enough to call it
> > > > >CARB, mainly so they can ignore the purpose it serves.
> > > >
> > > > I don't care what it is called.. California could you please keep the
> > > > smoke from your fires within your state? At 9:30 the morning we had
> > > > to drive with lights on. You could be forgiven for thinking it was
> > > > dusk. It was dark outside. The sky didn't lift at all until maybe
> > > > 2. We still are unable to see our foothills. The air smells as
> > > > though the fire is in our neighborhood. 'Nuff bitchin. How are you
> > > > California guys doing what with the fires and drought?
> > > > Janet US
> > >
> > > I understand, we need rain BADLY.
> > >
> > > Our visit to the Grand Canyon was ruined by smoke from fires there and
> > > smoke from fires in Washington state ruined a car trip to the sights
> > > in Wyoming and South Dakota.
> >
> > It's all in cycles, Texas has had a bad drought for a few years but
> > we're doing pretty well this year. Prior to the drought we had a really
> > wet year including flooding and a few people drowning in my area. I
> > expect the next few years will be ok, then probably some more drought,
> > etc. One of the reasons I plan to do aquaponic farming at my next place
> > since it uses vastly (75%) less water than old school dirt farming. The
> > big commercial farms are going to ultimately have to go there as well,
> > perhaps going through drip irrigation as an intermediate step, replacing
> > the incredibly wasteful pivot irrigation that is the norm.
>
> It seems like the West is so parched, it's starting to blow away and
> the East is drowning.

Yes, but the middle had the dust bowl...

On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 15:42:02 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 08:59:26 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:
>
>> I know. The same thing came up a couple of days ago and it was
>> pointed out to Julie that was she was talking about with steaks was
>> grilling not BBQ.
>> non sequitur: In Wisconsin, when I was a child, grilling was called
>> 'having a fry out.' Burgers and brats.
>
>We called it barbecue in Michigan, but it was also a cookout.
>Barbecue at my house meant we were doing it indoors (there was a BBQ
>grill next to the fireplace that was fired by coals from the real wood
>fire in the winter. Summers meant we cooked outdoors (aka: cookout)
>on a BBQ from the '30s. It was only steaks and burgers, never any
>kind of pork - hot dogs were cooked to perfection at the end of a hot
>dog fork. Our property had been a resort in another lifetime, so
>there was more than one barbecue and they were very close to, if not
>exactly like this one.
>http://artsandcraftshomes.com/wp-con...e_KenDruse.jpg

Back in the day, every house-proud man built something like that. I
think I always thought they pre-dated the commercial product. A
cousin in Texas did up an oil barrel and we thought that was
outrageous smart
Janet US

"Pete C." wrote:
>sf wrote:
>>"Pete C." wrote:
>> > sf wrote:
>> > >Janet Bostwick wrote:
>> >> > sf wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > >We don't call it CARB. We call it the Air Climate Control Board.
>> > > > >Only people who don't live in California are stupid enough to call it
>> > > > >CARB, mainly so they can ignore the purpose it serves.
>> > > >
>> > > > I don't care what it is called.. California could you please keep the
>> > > > smoke from your fires within your state? At 9:30 the morning we had
>> > > > to drive with lights on. You could be forgiven for thinking it was
>> > > > dusk. It was dark outside. The sky didn't lift at all until maybe
>> > > > 2. We still are unable to see our foothills. The air smells as
>> > > > though the fire is in our neighborhood. 'Nuff bitchin. How are you
>> > > > California guys doing what with the fires and drought?
>> > > > Janet US
>> > >
>> > > I understand, we need rain BADLY.
>> > >
>> > > Our visit to the Grand Canyon was ruined by smoke from fires there and
>> > > smoke from fires in Washington state ruined a car trip to the sights
>> > > in Wyoming and South Dakota.
>> >
>> > It's all in cycles, Texas has had a bad drought for a few years but
>> > we're doing pretty well this year. Prior to the drought we had a really
>> > wet year including flooding and a few people drowning in my area. I
>> > expect the next few years will be ok, then probably some more drought,
>> > etc. One of the reasons I plan to do aquaponic farming at my next place
>> > since it uses vastly (75%) less water than old school dirt farming. The
>> > big commercial farms are going to ultimately have to go there as well,
>> > perhaps going through drip irrigation as an intermediate step, replacing
>> > the incredibly wasteful pivot irrigation that is the norm.
>>
>> It seems like the West is so parched, it's starting to blow away and
>> the East is drowning.
>
>Yes, but the middle had the dust bowl...

Was dusty today... I brush hogged my wildflower flower meadow... 4
acres of 6' growth took five hours:
http://i58.tinypic.com/2guvzx2.jpg
Harvested another cabbage:
http://i59.tinypic.com/6yz5tw.jpg