I was at one of my favorite places on earth today, the produce
warehouse, and bought some fresh, in the pod, lima beans, Yippie!!! .
I see some succotash on my plate soon.

https://flic.kr/p/p1T88j

koko

--

Food is our common ground, a universal experience
James Beard

"koko" > wrote in message
...
>
> I was at one of my favorite places on earth today, the produce
> warehouse, and bought some fresh, in the pod, lima beans, Yippie!!! .
> I see some succotash on my plate soon.
>
> https://flic.kr/p/p1T88j

I have never seen fresh for sale. I wish I could get some.

"JohnJohn" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 18:03:05 -0700, koko > wrote:
>
>>
>>I was at one of my favorite places on earth today, the produce
>>warehouse, and bought some fresh, in the pod, lima beans, Yippie!!! .
>>I see some succotash on my plate soon.
>>
>>https://flic.kr/p/p1T88j
>
> They look a bit like broad beans (fava beans). Do they taste similar
> too?

No. Not at all.

"JohnJohn" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 23:59:02 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"JohnJohn" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 18:03:05 -0700, koko > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>I was at one of my favorite places on earth today, the produce
>>>>warehouse, and bought some fresh, in the pod, lima beans, Yippie!!! .
>>>>I see some succotash on my plate soon.
>>>>
>>>>https://flic.kr/p/p1T88j
>>>
>>> They look a bit like broad beans (fava beans). Do they taste similar
>>> too?
>>
>>No. Not at all.
>
> Fava beans are one of those flavors that children hate, but adults
> often learn to like. I guess lima beans are more neutral tasting?

Most people I know don't like lima beans not necessarily for the taste but
the texture. They share a texture with black eyed peas. I did not eat fava
beans as a child. I had not even heard of them until that episode of Quincy
where the Japanese boy died of favism after his grandma fed him some of the
beans.

I finally tried some perhaps a year or so ago from a salad bar. They are
the one bean I do not love. I didn't hate them but I also didn't find them
to be very flavorful. They were just kind of meh. Lima beans do have a
distinctive flavor. Just not sure how to describe it. I actually can't
even remember the last time I ate any. As beans go, they are more expensive
than most and I am the only one in this house that likes them.

"JohnJohn" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 01:35:30 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"JohnJohn" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 23:59:02 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"JohnJohn" > wrote in message
m...
>
>>>>> They look a bit like broad beans (fava beans). Do they taste similar
>>>>> too?
>>>>
>>>>No. Not at all.
>>>
>>> Fava beans are one of those flavors that children hate, but adults
>>> often learn to like. I guess lima beans are more neutral tasting?
>>
>>Most people I know don't like lima beans not necessarily for the taste but
>>the texture. They share a texture with black eyed peas. I did not eat
>>fava
>>beans as a child. I had not even heard of them until that episode of
>>Quincy
>>where the Japanese boy died of favism after his grandma fed him some of
>>the
>>beans.
>
> There's always this discussion about whether you should peel them once
> (out of the pod) or twice (also remove the outer shell of the bean).
> Apparently, twice makes them less bitter but I never do that.
>
>>I finally tried some perhaps a year or so ago from a salad bar. They are
>>the one bean I do not love. I didn't hate them but I also didn't find
>>them
>>to be very flavorful. They were just kind of meh.
>
> That's strange. I think they're the strongest tasting bean I've ever
> had. Were they dried?

They were made into some sort of salad. I can't remember what all else was
in there and I only took a small amount to try. I also think that chickpeas
don't have a lot of flavor as compared to other beans but they had more
flavor than the favas. And now that I think of it, I did get some kind of
dried beans from Whole Foods that had no flavor to me either. I posted of
them here but now I can't remember what they were called. Could be that I
just didn't season them properly though.
>
> I've had them fresh from our garden and frozen and liked them both.
> Now, I have a bag of dried fava beans. I haven't tried that yet.

Hmmm... Not sure I've ever seen frozen ones.
>
>>Lima beans do have a distinctive flavor. Just not sure how to describe
>>it. I actually can't
>>even remember the last time I ate any. As beans go, they are more
>>expensive
>>than most and I am the only one in this house that likes them.
>
> We grow Madagascar beans
> (http://rastaseed.files.wordpress.com...scar_bean.jpg). I
> read they're the warm climate alternative to lima beans. I like them a
> lot, but I haven't tried lima beans yet.

Those are very pretty! Actually I think I might have some in the cupboard.
I bought something a few months back at Winco. sw said there was some
reason why they couldn't be sold here until recently. Hmmm... Must go
look.

On 9/20/2014 3:50 AM, JohnJohn wrote:

> We grow Madagascar beans
> (http://rastaseed.files.wordpress.com...scar_bean.jpg). I
> read they're the warm climate alternative to lima beans. I like them a
> lot, but I haven't tried lima beans yet.
>

These are the butter beans that my sister grows.

http://i57.tinypic.com/50pa8z.jpg

Lima beans are not my favorite (I do eat them), but I love butter beans.
People tell me they are the same thing, but they do not taste the same.

Becca

On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 15:55:09 +1000, JohnJohn >
wrote:

>On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 18:03:05 -0700, koko > wrote:
>
>>
>>I was at one of my favorite places on earth today, the produce
>>warehouse, and bought some fresh, in the pod, lima beans, Yippie!!! .
>>I see some succotash on my plate soon.
>>
>>https://flic.kr/p/p1T88j
>
>They look a bit like broad beans (fava beans). Do they taste similar
>too?

I don't believe I've ever eaten fava beans so, sorry, I don't have an
answer for you. Maybe someone else does.

koko

--

Food is our common ground, a universal experience
James Beard

Becca EmaNymton wrote:

>On 9/20/2014 3:50 AM, JohnJohn wrote:
>
>> We grow Madagascar beans
>> (http://rastaseed.files.wordpress.com...scar_bean.jpg). I
>> read they're the warm climate alternative to lima beans. I like them a
>> lot, but I haven't tried lima beans yet.
>>
>
>These are the butter beans that my sister grows.
>
>http://i57.tinypic.com/50pa8z.jpg
>
>Lima beans are not my favorite (I do eat them), but I love butter beans.
>People tell me they are the same thing, but they do not taste the same.

Butter beans and lima beans are exactly the same bean... butter beans
are what southerners call lima beans. If they taste different to you
it's either how they were prepared or it's all in your head. Of
course you can't compare the flavor of fresh to dried.

Those shown here with the reddish splotches are merely a varietal of
lima bean; some call them calico limas, carnival limas, etc.... just
different names for the same bean... many white beans are available
splotched, most reddish, some blue, I'm sure there are other colors...
the colors disappear during cooking. Baby lima beans are not
undeveloped lima beans, baby lima beans are a different bean
altogether.

Fresh beans are best shelled and eaten as soon as possible, raw or
minimally cooked... fresh beans are good raw dressed in a salad. If
held more than a day after harvest their sugar turns to starch...
that's why most are canned, pickled, or frozen right in the field.
Flash frozen beans are better than any sold at markets... if you like
fresh beans it's best to grow your own, pick early and eat
immediately... peas likewise, even snow peas bought at market are
nothing like fresh picked. My favorite is fresh picked sugar snap
peas, easy to grow and very prolific.

On 9/20/2014 12:47 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> Becca EmaNymton wrote:
>
>> On 9/20/2014 3:50 AM, JohnJohn wrote:
>>
>>> We grow Madagascar beans
>>> (http://rastaseed.files.wordpress.com...scar_bean.jpg). I
>>> read they're the warm climate alternative to lima beans. I like them a
>>> lot, but I haven't tried lima beans yet.
>>>
>>
>> These are the butter beans that my sister grows.
>>
>> http://i57.tinypic.com/50pa8z.jpg
>>
>> Lima beans are not my favorite (I do eat them), but I love butter beans.
>> People tell me they are the same thing, but they do not taste the same.
>
> Butter beans and lima beans are exactly the same bean... butter beans
> are what southerners call lima beans. If they taste different to you
> it's either how they were prepared or it's all in your head. Of
> course you can't compare the flavor of fresh to dried.
>
Really? How come I call lima beans (green) limas and butter beans
(brownish-tan) butter beans? They may be similar varieties but they
certainly don't taste the same. I've been living in the southern US
since 1972. What you know about the "south" probably wouldn't fit in a
thimble.

Jill

On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 08:10:10 -0500, Becca EmaNymton
> wrote:

> On 9/20/2014 3:50 AM, JohnJohn wrote:
>
> > We grow Madagascar beans
> > (http://rastaseed.files.wordpress.com...scar_bean.jpg). I
> > read they're the warm climate alternative to lima beans. I like them a
> > lot, but I haven't tried lima beans yet.
> >
>
> These are the butter beans that my sister grows.
>
> http://i57.tinypic.com/50pa8z.jpg
>
> Lima beans are not my favorite (I do eat them), but I love butter beans.
> People tell me they are the same thing, but they do not taste the same.
>
They're huge and I know for sure that I've never seen anything like
that before! They seem to be a lima bean shape with Vaquero bean
markings and Cranberry bean coloring. Many, many sources say butter
bean and madagascar are other names for lima and that's why I'm
continually confused about what they really are. Thanks for the
photo, at least I have something to visualize when people talk about
butter beans now.


--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

On 9/20/2014 1:14 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 08:10:10 -0500, Becca EmaNymton
> > wrote:
>
>> On 9/20/2014 3:50 AM, JohnJohn wrote:
>>
>>> We grow Madagascar beans
>>> (http://rastaseed.files.wordpress.com...scar_bean.jpg). I
>>> read they're the warm climate alternative to lima beans. I like them a
>>> lot, but I haven't tried lima beans yet.
>>>
>>
>> These are the butter beans that my sister grows.
>>
>> http://i57.tinypic.com/50pa8z.jpg
>>
>> Lima beans are not my favorite (I do eat them), but I love butter beans.
>> People tell me they are the same thing, but they do not taste the same.
>>
> They're huge and I know for sure that I've never seen anything like
> that before!

Those aren't the kind of butter beans I see but they are shaped like
limas and yes, they're big. The ones I buy aren't speckled nor are they
red. They're brown/tan. Limas are green.

Jill

> They seem to be a lima bean shape with Vaquero bean
> markings and Cranberry bean coloring. Many, many sources say butter
> bean and madagascar are other names for lima and that's why I'm
> continually confused about what they really are. Thanks for the
> photo, at least I have something to visualize when people talk about
> butter beans now.
>
>

On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 08:10:10 -0500, Becca EmaNymton
> wrote:

>On 9/20/2014 3:50 AM, JohnJohn wrote:
>
>> We grow Madagascar beans
>> (http://rastaseed.files.wordpress.com...scar_bean.jpg). I
>> read they're the warm climate alternative to lima beans. I like them a
>> lot, but I haven't tried lima beans yet.
>>
>
>These are the butter beans that my sister grows.
>
>http://i57.tinypic.com/50pa8z.jpg
>
>Lima beans are not my favorite (I do eat them), but I love butter beans.
>People tell me they are the same thing, but they do not taste the same.
>
>Becca
what is the name of the seed variety?
Janet US

On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 13:18:14 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 9/20/2014 1:14 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 08:10:10 -0500, Becca EmaNymton
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/20/2014 3:50 AM, JohnJohn wrote:
>>>
>>>> We grow Madagascar beans
>>>> (http://rastaseed.files.wordpress.com...scar_bean.jpg). I
>>>> read they're the warm climate alternative to lima beans. I like them a
>>>> lot, but I haven't tried lima beans yet.
>>>>
>>>
>>> These are the butter beans that my sister grows.
>>>
>>> http://i57.tinypic.com/50pa8z.jpg
>>>
>>> Lima beans are not my favorite (I do eat them), but I love butter beans.
>>> People tell me they are the same thing, but they do not taste the same.
>>>
>> They're huge and I know for sure that I've never seen anything like
>> that before!
>
>Those aren't the kind of butter beans I see but they are shaped like
>limas and yes, they're big. The ones I buy aren't speckled nor are they
>red. They're brown/tan. Limas are green.
>
>Jill
The beans you buy that are brown/tan -- are they fresh, dried, canned
or frozen?
Janet US
>
>> They seem to be a lima bean shape with Vaquero bean
>> markings and Cranberry bean coloring. Many, many sources say butter
>> bean and madagascar are other names for lima and that's why I'm
>> continually confused about what they really are. Thanks for the
>> photo, at least I have something to visualize when people talk about
>> butter beans now.
>>
>>

On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 13:18:14 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

> Those aren't the kind of butter beans I see but they are shaped like
> limas and yes, they're big. The ones I buy aren't speckled nor are they
> red. They're brown/tan. Limas are green.


<sigh> Returning to the State of Confusion yet again.

Wondering if deciding what a butter bean is will be a war of ever
changing definitions?


--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

On 9/20/2014 1:37 PM, Janet Bostwick wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 08:10:10 -0500, Becca EmaNymton
> > wrote:
>
>> On 9/20/2014 3:50 AM, JohnJohn wrote:
>>
>>> We grow Madagascar beans
>>> (http://rastaseed.files.wordpress.com...scar_bean.jpg). I
>>> read they're the warm climate alternative to lima beans. I like them a
>>> lot, but I haven't tried lima beans yet.
>>>
>>
>> These are the butter beans that my sister grows.
>>
>> http://i57.tinypic.com/50pa8z.jpg
>>
>> Lima beans are not my favorite (I do eat them), but I love butter beans.
>> People tell me they are the same thing, but they do not taste the same.
>>
>> Becca
> what is the name of the seed variety?
> Janet US

These are Speckled Pole Butter Beans.

Becca

On 9/20/2014 4:50 PM, JohnJohn wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 08:10:10 -0500, Becca EmaNymton
> > wrote:
>
>> On 9/20/2014 3:50 AM, JohnJohn wrote:
>>
>>> We grow Madagascar beans
>>> (http://rastaseed.files.wordpress.com...scar_bean.jpg). I
>>> read they're the warm climate alternative to lima beans. I like them a
>>> lot, but I haven't tried lima beans yet.
>>>
>>
>> These are the butter beans that my sister grows.
>>
>> http://i57.tinypic.com/50pa8z.jpg
>
> That's what I grow under the name of Madagascar beans. Does your
> sister live in a (sub)tropical climate? Wikipedia lumps lima,
> Madagascar and butter beans together under Phaseolus lunatus.

My sister lives in Texas.

Becca

On 9/20/2014 2:42 PM, Janet Bostwick wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 13:18:14 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 9/20/2014 1:14 PM, sf wrote:
>>> On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 08:10:10 -0500, Becca EmaNymton
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/20/2014 3:50 AM, JohnJohn wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We grow Madagascar beans
>>>>> (http://rastaseed.files.wordpress.com...scar_bean.jpg). I
>>>>> read they're the warm climate alternative to lima beans. I like them a
>>>>> lot, but I haven't tried lima beans yet.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> These are the butter beans that my sister grows.
>>>>
>>>> http://i57.tinypic.com/50pa8z.jpg
>>>>
>>>> Lima beans are not my favorite (I do eat them), but I love butter beans.
>>>> People tell me they are the same thing, but they do not taste the same.
>>>>
>>> They're huge and I know for sure that I've never seen anything like
>>> that before!
>>
>> Those aren't the kind of butter beans I see but they are shaped like
>> limas and yes, they're big. The ones I buy aren't speckled nor are they
>> red. They're brown/tan. Limas are green.
>>
>> Jill
> The beans you buy that are brown/tan -- are they fresh, dried, canned
> or frozen?
> Janet US

Sometimes I can find them fresh, although I'll admit to mostly looking
for snap beans or pole beans at the farm stands since they are more
commonly grown where I live. But yes, I can find brownish-tan butter
beans in cans and also frozen. They aren't speckled, although I've
heard of speckled butter beans.

Let's face it, we don't all live in the same place. We don't all have
the same produce available. And no, not everyone can plant a garden.

Jill

On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 20:05:18 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 9/20/2014 2:42 PM, Janet Bostwick wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 13:18:14 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/20/2014 1:14 PM, sf wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 08:10:10 -0500, Becca EmaNymton
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/20/2014 3:50 AM, JohnJohn wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We grow Madagascar beans
>>>>>> (http://rastaseed.files.wordpress.com...scar_bean.jpg). I
>>>>>> read they're the warm climate alternative to lima beans. I like them a
>>>>>> lot, but I haven't tried lima beans yet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> These are the butter beans that my sister grows.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://i57.tinypic.com/50pa8z.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> Lima beans are not my favorite (I do eat them), but I love butter beans.
>>>>> People tell me they are the same thing, but they do not taste the same.
>>>>>
>>>> They're huge and I know for sure that I've never seen anything like
>>>> that before!
>>>
>>> Those aren't the kind of butter beans I see but they are shaped like
>>> limas and yes, they're big. The ones I buy aren't speckled nor are they
>>> red. They're brown/tan. Limas are green.
>>>
>>> Jill
>> The beans you buy that are brown/tan -- are they fresh, dried, canned
>> or frozen?
>> Janet US
>
>Sometimes I can find them fresh, although I'll admit to mostly looking
>for snap beans or pole beans at the farm stands since they are more
>commonly grown where I live. But yes, I can find brownish-tan butter
>beans in cans and also frozen. They aren't speckled, although I've
>heard of speckled butter beans.
>
>Let's face it, we don't all live in the same place. We don't all have
>the same produce available. And no, not everyone can plant a garden.
>
>Jill

I get brownish tan butter beans in the can by 3 or 4 different brands.
I like store brand and Bush's best. I've never seen them frozen. I've
grown pole beans of many kinds. The seeds of some are downright
beautiful, but disappointing. When cooked the markings disappear and
the water may turn muddy purple. Anyway, this is the way that I see
it. There are many varieties of pole lima beans. Some are speckled,
some are not. If picked when the pod is still green and fresh, the
bean is what we can buy as 'lima beans'. If the pod is allowed to dry
on the vine, the seeds inside the pod turn tan and become dried beans.
References to butter bean identify the bean as a pole lima and
specifically note that butter bean is a term of meaning in the South.
I don't care one way or another. My favorite way with the dry tan
bean is to soak overnight, drain, stir in chopped onion, chopped raw
bacon, minced garlic and salt and pepper. Put them in a flat pan
rather than a pot, cover with foil and place in oven for an hour or
so. Uncover and let the mixture dry somewhat in the oven, the bacon
will get crispy edges and brown crusty edges will develop in the pan.
That's a great pan of beans! I specially like them cold, spread on
buttered white bread and sprinkled with vinegar. What a great
sandwich.
How do you eat butter beans?
Janet US

On 9/20/2014 8:24 PM, Janet Bostwick wrote:
> How do you eat butter beans?
> Janet US

Served with baked pork chops.

Jill

On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 21:00:13 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 9/20/2014 8:24 PM, Janet Bostwick wrote:
>> How do you eat butter beans?
>> Janet US
>
>Served with baked pork chops.
>
>Jill
chops on top of the beans and then baked? That sounds good.
Janet US

On 9/20/2014 10:14 PM, Janet Bostwick wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 21:00:13 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 9/20/2014 8:24 PM, Janet Bostwick wrote:
>>> How do you eat butter beans?
>>> Janet US
>>
>> Served with baked pork chops.
>>
>> Jill
> chops on top of the beans and then baked? That sounds good.
> Janet US
>
Nope, butter beans were always a side dish. It's the way my mother
served them when I was growing up. Next to baked pork chops. Usually
with mashed potatoes.

Jill

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> Becca EmaNymton wrote:
>
>>On 9/20/2014 3:50 AM, JohnJohn wrote:
>>
>>> We grow Madagascar beans
>>> (http://rastaseed.files.wordpress.com...scar_bean.jpg). I
>>> read they're the warm climate alternative to lima beans. I like them a
>>> lot, but I haven't tried lima beans yet.
>>>
>>
>>These are the butter beans that my sister grows.
>>
>>http://i57.tinypic.com/50pa8z.jpg
>>
>>Lima beans are not my favorite (I do eat them), but I love butter beans.
>>People tell me they are the same thing, but they do not taste the same.
>
> Butter beans and lima beans are exactly the same bean... butter beans
> are what southerners call lima beans. If they taste different to you
> it's either how they were prepared or it's all in your head. Of
> course you can't compare the flavor of fresh to dried.
>
> Those shown here with the reddish splotches are merely a varietal of
> lima bean; some call them calico limas, carnival limas, etc.... just
> different names for the same bean... many white beans are available
> splotched, most reddish, some blue, I'm sure there are other colors...
> the colors disappear during cooking. Baby lima beans are not
> undeveloped lima beans, baby lima beans are a different bean
> altogether.
>
> Fresh beans are best shelled and eaten as soon as possible, raw or
> minimally cooked... fresh beans are good raw dressed in a salad. If
> held more than a day after harvest their sugar turns to starch...
> that's why most are canned, pickled, or frozen right in the field.
> Flash frozen beans are better than any sold at markets... if you like
> fresh beans it's best to grow your own, pick early and eat
> immediately... peas likewise, even snow peas bought at market are
> nothing like fresh picked. My favorite is fresh picked sugar snap
> peas, easy to grow and very prolific.

The butter beans I have seen are larger and more of a beige/yellow color.
The lima beans are smaller and a pale green. Do not taste the same to me.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 9/20/2014 12:47 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> Becca EmaNymton wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/20/2014 3:50 AM, JohnJohn wrote:
>>>
>>>> We grow Madagascar beans
>>>> (http://rastaseed.files.wordpress.com...scar_bean.jpg). I
>>>> read they're the warm climate alternative to lima beans. I like them a
>>>> lot, but I haven't tried lima beans yet.
>>>>
>>>
>>> These are the butter beans that my sister grows.
>>>
>>> http://i57.tinypic.com/50pa8z.jpg
>>>
>>> Lima beans are not my favorite (I do eat them), but I love butter beans.
>>> People tell me they are the same thing, but they do not taste the same.
>>
>> Butter beans and lima beans are exactly the same bean... butter beans
>> are what southerners call lima beans. If they taste different to you
>> it's either how they were prepared or it's all in your head. Of
>> course you can't compare the flavor of fresh to dried.
>>
> Really? How come I call lima beans (green) limas and butter beans
> (brownish-tan) butter beans? They may be similar varieties but they
> certainly don't taste the same. I've been living in the southern US since
> 1972. What you know about the "south" probably wouldn't fit in a thimble.
>
> Jill

Let's see if he can pass this!

http://www.playbuzz.com/countryoutfi...es-do-you-know

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 13:18:14 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> Those aren't the kind of butter beans I see but they are shaped like
>> limas and yes, they're big. The ones I buy aren't speckled nor are they
>> red. They're brown/tan. Limas are green.
>
>
> <sigh> Returning to the State of Confusion yet again.
>
> Wondering if deciding what a butter bean is will be a war of ever
> changing definitions?

We have fought that fight many times before here. I don't think I can even
buy anything here called a butter bean. I can buy limas though.

"JohnJohn" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 03:12:49 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
> <fava beans>
>
>>They were made into some sort of salad. I can't remember what all else
>>was
>>in there and I only took a small amount to try. I also think that
>>chickpeas
>>don't have a lot of flavor as compared to other beans but they had more
>>flavor than the favas. And now that I think of it, I did get some kind of
>>dried beans from Whole Foods that had no flavor to me either. I posted of
>>them here but now I can't remember what they were called. Could be that I
>>just didn't season them properly though.
>
> Or maybe the drying process kills the flavor. I'll find out soon.
>
>>Hmmm... Not sure I've ever seen frozen ones.
>
> They suddenly appeared in supermarkets here. A good alternative for
> during off season.
>
>>Those are very pretty! Actually I think I might have some in the
>>cupboard.
>>I bought something a few months back at Winco. sw said there was some
>>reason why they couldn't be sold here until recently. Hmmm... Must go
>>look.
>
> When you look Madagascar beans up in Wikipedia, you get automatically
> redirected to lima beans, because they have the same Latin name. They
> look very different, though.

Strange.

On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 22:05:01 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> The butter beans I have seen are larger and more of a beige/yellow color.
> The lima beans are smaller and a pale green. Do not taste the same to me.

That sounds like the difference between mature lima beans and baby
limas. I like baby limas, dislike the mature type. Didn't like lima
beans until baby limas appeared in the frozen section. Jill said how
much she likes so often Ford Hooks that I finally bought some
*once*... and did NOT like them at all. :P Different strokes.


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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 22:05:01 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> The butter beans I have seen are larger and more of a beige/yellow color.
>> The lima beans are smaller and a pale green. Do not taste the same to
>> me.
>
> That sounds like the difference between mature lima beans and baby
> limas. I like baby limas, dislike the mature type. Didn't like lima
> beans until baby limas appeared in the frozen section. Jill said how
> much she likes so often Ford Hooks that I finally bought some
> *once*... and did NOT like them at all. :P Different strokes.

That's what I'm thinking too. I think the mature ones are more common on
the East coast. Not sure why. And I very much dislike what they do to them
in PA. I was shocked the first time I had their "baked beans". They were
butter beans in a sweet tomato sauce. Oh no. Just wrong.

I do like baked beans made with navy, pea, or other white beans. But not
butter beans and not in an overly tomatoey sauce.

On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 22:05:01 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
.. .
>> Becca EmaNymton wrote:
>>
>>>On 9/20/2014 3:50 AM, JohnJohn wrote:
>>>
>>>> We grow Madagascar beans
>>>> (http://rastaseed.files.wordpress.com...scar_bean.jpg). I
>>>> read they're the warm climate alternative to lima beans. I like them a
>>>> lot, but I haven't tried lima beans yet.
>>>>
>>>
>>>These are the butter beans that my sister grows.
>>>
>>>http://i57.tinypic.com/50pa8z.jpg
>>>
>>>Lima beans are not my favorite (I do eat them), but I love butter beans.
>>>People tell me they are the same thing, but they do not taste the same.
>>
>> Butter beans and lima beans are exactly the same bean... butter beans
>> are what southerners call lima beans. If they taste different to you
>> it's either how they were prepared or it's all in your head. Of
>> course you can't compare the flavor of fresh to dried.
>>
>> Those shown here with the reddish splotches are merely a varietal of
>> lima bean; some call them calico limas, carnival limas, etc.... just
>> different names for the same bean... many white beans are available
>> splotched, most reddish, some blue, I'm sure there are other colors...
>> the colors disappear during cooking. Baby lima beans are not
>> undeveloped lima beans, baby lima beans are a different bean
>> altogether.
>>
>> Fresh beans are best shelled and eaten as soon as possible, raw or
>> minimally cooked... fresh beans are good raw dressed in a salad. If
>> held more than a day after harvest their sugar turns to starch...
>> that's why most are canned, pickled, or frozen right in the field.
>> Flash frozen beans are better than any sold at markets... if you like
>> fresh beans it's best to grow your own, pick early and eat
>> immediately... peas likewise, even snow peas bought at market are
>> nothing like fresh picked. My favorite is fresh picked sugar snap
>> peas, easy to grow and very prolific.
>
>The butter beans I have seen are larger and more of a beige/yellow color.

Those were dried.

>The lima beans are smaller and a pale green. Do not taste the same to me.

Those were fresh.

They're the same bean, just treated differently. And naturally
they'll taste different, dried foods of all types taste different from
fresh.

On 9/21/2014 1:45 AM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 22:05:01 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> The butter beans I have seen are larger and more of a beige/yellow color.
>> The lima beans are smaller and a pale green. Do not taste the same to me.
>
> That sounds like the difference between mature lima beans and baby
> limas. I like baby limas, dislike the mature type. Didn't like lima
> beans until baby limas appeared in the frozen section. Jill said how
> much she likes so often Ford Hooks that I finally bought some
> *once*... and did NOT like them at all. :P Different strokes.
>
>
I *love* Fordhook limas! I will eat, but am not very fond of, baby limas.

Jill

On 9/21/2014 12:48 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 22:05:01 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> The butter beans I have seen are larger and more of a beige/yellow color.
>
> Those were dried.
>
>> The lima beans are smaller and a pale green. Do not taste the same to me.
>
> Those were fresh.
>
> They're the same bean, just treated differently. And naturally
> they'll taste different, dried foods of all types taste different from
> fresh.
>
Stop talking out your ass. You don't know what kind of beans the person
bought - dried, frozen or fresh. You weren't there.

Jill

On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 15:56:33 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 9/21/2014 1:45 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 22:05:01 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> The butter beans I have seen are larger and more of a beige/yellow color.
> >> The lima beans are smaller and a pale green. Do not taste the same to me.
> >
> > That sounds like the difference between mature lima beans and baby
> > limas. I like baby limas, dislike the mature type. Didn't like lima
> > beans until baby limas appeared in the frozen section. Jill said how
> > much she likes so often Ford Hooks that I finally bought some
> > *once*... and did NOT like them at all. :P Different strokes.
> >
> >
> I *love* Fordhook limas! I will eat, but am not very fond of, baby limas.
>
I think that must be a fundamental difference. I like (not love) baby
limas. Ford Hook - once was enough for me.



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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 15:56:33 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 9/21/2014 1:45 AM, sf wrote:
>> > On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 22:05:01 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> The butter beans I have seen are larger and more of a beige/yellow
>> >> color.
>> >> The lima beans are smaller and a pale green. Do not taste the same to
>> >> me.
>> >
>> > That sounds like the difference between mature lima beans and baby
>> > limas. I like baby limas, dislike the mature type. Didn't like lima
>> > beans until baby limas appeared in the frozen section. Jill said how
>> > much she likes so often Ford Hooks that I finally bought some
>> > *once*... and did NOT like them at all. :P Different strokes.
>> >
>> >
>> I *love* Fordhook limas! I will eat, but am not very fond of, baby
>> limas.
>>
> I think that must be a fundamental difference. I like (not love) baby
> limas. Ford Hook - once was enough for me.

I tried looking this up. Wouldn't be the first time I tried looking this
up. There is no clear answer on this. Seems each source says a different
thing. But in most cases it says that the Lima beans are more mature and
bigger. I have had big Limas but the canned ones are tiny. And whatever
they have in PA that they call butter beans are huge! So... I am very
confused.

On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 23:55:08 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 15:56:33 -0400, jmcquown >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 9/21/2014 1:45 AM, sf wrote:
> >> > On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 22:05:01 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> >> > > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> The butter beans I have seen are larger and more of a beige/yellow
> >> >> color.
> >> >> The lima beans are smaller and a pale green. Do not taste the same to
> >> >> me.
> >> >
> >> > That sounds like the difference between mature lima beans and baby
> >> > limas. I like baby limas, dislike the mature type. Didn't like lima
> >> > beans until baby limas appeared in the frozen section. Jill said how
> >> > much she likes so often Ford Hooks that I finally bought some
> >> > *once*... and did NOT like them at all. :P Different strokes.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> I *love* Fordhook limas! I will eat, but am not very fond of, baby
> >> limas.
> >>
> > I think that must be a fundamental difference. I like (not love) baby
> > limas. Ford Hook - once was enough for me.
>
> I tried looking this up. Wouldn't be the first time I tried looking this
> up. There is no clear answer on this. Seems each source says a different
> thing. But in most cases it says that the Lima beans are more mature and
> bigger. I have had big Limas but the canned ones are tiny. And whatever
> they have in PA that they call butter beans are huge! So... I am very
> confused.

It took me a long time, but I finally figured out that UK broad beans
are our fava beans. After preparing them from scratch exactly once, I
was over it. Shelling peas, fine. Shelling favas, lightly steaming
and then taking each bean out of their individual jackets is way too
much work AFAIC - so I'll buy them frozen... if I ever want them,
which is very rare.


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"jmcquown" wrote in message ...

On 9/21/2014 1:45 AM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 22:05:01 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> The butter beans I have seen are larger and more of a beige/yellow color.
>> The lima beans are smaller and a pale green. Do not taste the same to
>> me.
>
> That sounds like the difference between mature lima beans and baby
> limas. I like baby limas, dislike the mature type. Didn't like lima
> beans until baby limas appeared in the frozen section. Jill said how
> much she likes so often Ford Hooks that I finally bought some
> *once*... and did NOT like them at all. :P Different strokes.
>
>
I *love* Fordhook limas! I will eat, but am not very fond of, baby limas.

Jill

~~~~~~~
Same here. I grew up in northeast Ohio, and we saw Fordhooks much more
often than baby limas. Here's another variation: we often had peas as one
of our vegetables, and we just called them "peas." When I moved to Texas
years ago, I suddenly saw a wide variety of peas and learned that I needed
to specify "English peas" or at least "green peas" to get the type I was
used to.

MaryL

On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 19:05:42 -0500, "MaryL"
> wrote:

> Same here. I grew up in northeast Ohio, and we saw Fordhooks much more
> often than baby limas.

Don't get me wrong. There was no such thing as baby limas when I was
a kid (unless you grew them yourself). Obviously, my mother didn't
like lima beans - so we didn't eat them unless they were part of the
succotash she bought canned.


> Here's another variation: we often had peas as one
> of our vegetables, and we just called them "peas." When I moved to Texas
> years ago, I suddenly saw a wide variety of peas and learned that I needed
> to specify "English peas" or at least "green peas" to get the type I was
> used to.
>
Are you saying they call all beans "peas"? No wonder I see "English"
peas specified so often. Do they call pinto beans pinto "peas" in
Texas?

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"MaryL" > wrote in message
...

> Same here. I grew up in northeast Ohio, and we saw Fordhooks much more
> often than baby limas. Here's another variation: we often had peas as
> one of our vegetables, and we just called them "peas." When I moved to
> Texas years ago, I suddenly saw a wide variety of peas and learned that I
> needed to specify "English peas" or at least "green peas" to get the type
> I was used to.

I remember ordering peas in a TX restaurant as a child and being
disappointed when I got black eyed peas. I did like those as well but I had
my tastebuds all set on the English peas.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 19:05:42 -0500, "MaryL"
> > wrote:
>
>> Same here. I grew up in northeast Ohio, and we saw Fordhooks much more
>> often than baby limas.
>
> Don't get me wrong. There was no such thing as baby limas when I was
> a kid (unless you grew them yourself). Obviously, my mother didn't
> like lima beans - so we didn't eat them unless they were part of the
> succotash she bought canned.
>
>
>> Here's another variation: we often had peas as one
>> of our vegetables, and we just called them "peas." When I moved to Texas
>> years ago, I suddenly saw a wide variety of peas and learned that I
>> needed
>> to specify "English peas" or at least "green peas" to get the type I was
>> used to.
>>
> Are you saying they call all beans "peas"? No wonder I see "English"
> peas specified so often. Do they call pinto beans pinto "peas" in
> Texas?

I only know of pigeon, crowder, black eyed and of course English.

"sf" wrote in message ...

On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 19:05:42 -0500, "MaryL"
> wrote:

> Same here. I grew up in northeast Ohio, and we saw Fordhooks much more
> often than baby limas.

Don't get me wrong. There was no such thing as baby limas when I was
a kid (unless you grew them yourself). Obviously, my mother didn't
like lima beans - so we didn't eat them unless they were part of the
succotash she bought canned.


> Here's another variation: we often had peas as one
> of our vegetables, and we just called them "peas." When I moved to Texas
> years ago, I suddenly saw a wide variety of peas and learned that I needed
> to specify "English peas" or at least "green peas" to get the type I was
> used to.
>
Are you saying they call all beans "peas"? No wonder I see "English"
peas specified so often. Do they call pinto beans pinto "peas" in
Texas?

--
No, beans are not called peas. Pinto beans are not transformed into pinto
peas. However, there are some separate varieties of peas--snow peas,
black-eyed peas, crowder peas, etc. Of course, I was looking back to my
childhood when I said we only had English peas in the region where I grew
up. That may not be true now. I still think automatically of English peas
if I simply hear that "peas" will be served.

MaryL

On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 04:22:04 -0500, "MaryL"
> wrote:

> No, beans are not called peas. Pinto beans are not transformed into pinto
> peas.

Whew!

> However, there are some separate varieties of peas--snow peas,
> black-eyed peas, crowder peas, etc. Of course, I was looking back to my
> childhood when I said we only had English peas in the region where I grew
> up. That may not be true now.

Oh, okay - thanks. Yes, all the other "peas" are defined first. The
only one that isn't is the "English" pea type.

> I still think automatically of English peas
> if I simply hear that "peas" will be served.

Me to! I'd never dream of calling them English - or even green for
that matter. They're just plain peas to me and I'd wonder why anyone
else was confused.


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On 9/22/2014 7:05 PM, MaryL wrote:
>
>
> "jmcquown" wrote in message ...
>
> On 9/21/2014 1:45 AM, sf wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 22:05:01 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> The butter beans I have seen are larger and more of a beige/yellow
>>> color.
>>> The lima beans are smaller and a pale green. Do not taste the same
>>> to me.
>>
>> That sounds like the difference between mature lima beans and baby
>> limas. I like baby limas, dislike the mature type. Didn't like lima
>> beans until baby limas appeared in the frozen section. Jill said how
>> much she likes so often Ford Hooks that I finally bought some
>> *once*... and did NOT like them at all. :P Different strokes.
>>
>>
> I *love* Fordhook limas! I will eat, but am not very fond of, baby limas.
>
> Jill
>
> ~~~~~~~
> Same here. I grew up in northeast Ohio, and we saw Fordhooks much more
> often than baby limas. Here's another variation: we often had peas as
> one of our vegetables, and we just called them "peas." When I moved to
> Texas years ago, I suddenly saw a wide variety of peas and learned that
> I needed to specify "English peas" or at least "green peas" to get the
> type I was used to.
>
> MaryL

Texas does have a lot of peas, so I can see how that could happen. My
favorite is the purple hull pea, Wikipedia says it is a black-eyed pea,
and maybe it is, but they do not taste the same.

Becca