On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 09:56:01 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:

>On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 08:41:28 -0500, Becca EmaNymton
> wrote:
>snip
>>
>>Sheldon, we use filtered water so the ice from this refrigerator tastes
>>just fine.
>>
>>Becca
>
>that certainly helps. If the ice isn't changed out regularly, if the
>freezer isn't cleaned regularly, the contents of the freezer pass on
>the odors from the things stored in there. I can taste and smell it
>too.
>Janet US

That's why I don't like built in ice makers... no one ever cleans that
ice container, has ice in there from the first day it was plugged
in.... no one ever cleans frost free freezers unless there was a major
power failure. I have four ice cube trays in my freezer, I use maybe
two trays a day and the trays get rotated so no ice is more than 24
hours old. I really can't see why two people need an ice maker. I
also don't like built in ice makers because invaribly they break down
the day after the warranty runs out.

On 9/23/2014 10:56 AM, Janet Bostwick wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 08:41:28 -0500, Becca EmaNymton
> > wrote:
> snip
>>
>> Sheldon, we use filtered water so the ice from this refrigerator tastes
>> just fine.
>>
>> Becca
>
> that certainly helps. If the ice isn't changed out regularly, if the
> freezer isn't cleaned regularly, the contents of the freezer pass on
> the odors from the things stored in there. I can taste and smell it
> too.
> Janet US

In our Maytag refrigerator, the ice maker was open, so getting
refrigerator smells was possible. This Samsung ice maker and the ice is
completely closed and latched; it is also small, so I do not know how it
would work for a large family. The water and ice maker uses this filter,
which is replaced every 5-6 months:

http://www.waterfiltersonline.com/de...ng-DA29-00003B

Becca

On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 08:41:28 -0500, Becca EmaNymton
> wrote:

>On 9/22/2014 5:02 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> "Cheri" wrote:
>>> "Steve Freides" wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think ours is 21 cubic feet. Old house, small kitchen, small
>>>> refrigerator nook.
>>>>
>>>> OTOH, I must observe that, now that we try to eat better, we don't have as
>>>> much in our refrigerator or freezer. The 'fridge here contains a lot of
>>>> leftovers, sometimes things we cook in big batches on purpose, e.g., we
>>>> usually buy sausage 3 lbs. at a time because they give you a $2/lb break
>>>> on the price at the local WF if you do that. But especially my freezer
>>>> doesn't have a whole lot in it these days.
>>>
>>> I don't have a big one either, old house, small refrigerator nook too, but
>>> if I had the choice I would choose a larger one, especially the freezer
>>> compartment because I like to stock up on sale too.
>>>
>> I found it more advantageous and costs less to have a 2nd refrigerator
>> freezer. With the two freezers I don't need a stand alone freezer and
>> just in case one unit goes on the fritz I don't need to worry about
>> being majorly inconvenienced. I have a large top of the line GE
>> Profile (23 cu ft) in the kitchen and a smaller (17 cu ft) no frills
>> used refrigerator freezer in the basement that cost $100 from a local
>> used appliance store, rarely opened so costs pennies to run and so far
>> hasn't had a problem in 11 years. The 2nd fridge space is very handy,
>> especially since I grow veggies. I would always recommend a second
>> refrigerator freezer rather than a gigantic pricy eye candy unit plus
>> seperate freezer. I had a 2nd refrigerator freezer at the last place
>> I lived... I did a lot more entertaining then, the 2nd unit was very
>> convenient. I think those ice machines, especially those through the
>> door gizmos greatly shorten the life of the unit. For two people I
>> don't need an ice machine, when I have company I stop by the local
>> convenience store for a big bag of Krystal Klear cubes for a couple
>> bucks. Using that through the door feature constantly cuts the life of
>> a unit at least by half, plus they make lousy stinky ice. If I needed
>> a lot of ice I'd buy one of those countertop ice machines, they are
>> very inexpensive and unlike refrigerator freezer ice machines they are
>> easy to keep clean, the ice they produce doesn't stink like from EVERY
>> refrigerator freezer ice machine. I fill my ice cube trays with RO
>> water or I buy Krystal Klear... the stinky ice from every residential
>> fridge has ruined my drink and made me want to gack... I don't accept
>> ice from fridge ice machines, it's worse than drinking water ladled
>> from their toilet.
>
>Sheldon, we use filtered water so the ice from this refrigerator tastes
>just fine.

Depends how water is filtered but I won't go into that here.

It's the ice sitting in the icemaker container picking up odors that I
find offensive... no one ever cleans those things, people think about
it but never actually do it... after two days in the freezer ice
stinks... with ice cube trays I can easily rotate my ice stock so I
always have only fresh ice. I see no big deal with filling a couple
of trays once a day, with two people how much ice can you use, and
when I have company I buy a bag of Krystal Klear for a couple bucks,
much nicer ice than any home freezer can make. I don't care for those
itty bitty cube those icemakers produce, they water down my drink.
Those in fridge ice makers also occupy a couple cu ft of freezer
space, not worth the loss of space to me. Also the automatic icemaker
places undue stress on the fridge that shortens its life... everytime
you operate tha tthrouhg th edoof gizmo teh compresssor comes on.
Those icemakers also have a way of dying a day after the warranty
expires. If my life style was such that I used a lot of ice I'd have
one of those portable ice makers, not any more expensive than the
fridge icemaker, makes more ice and faster than any ten people can
use, and doesn't pick up the stench of fridge odors... the freezer is
not isolated from the fridge, I don't like garlicky pasta sauce ice.
Only once did I buy a fridge with an icemaker, a very long time ago, I
hated that odiferous ice. This doesn't pick up fridge odors:
http://www.amazon.com/Avalon-Bay-AB-...ertop+icemaker

On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 16:16:02 -0500, Becca EmaNymton
> wrote:

>On 9/23/2014 10:56 AM, Janet Bostwick wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 08:41:28 -0500, Becca EmaNymton
>> > wrote:
>> snip
>>>
>>> Sheldon, we use filtered water so the ice from this refrigerator tastes
>>> just fine.
>>>
>>> Becca
>>
>> that certainly helps. If the ice isn't changed out regularly, if the
>> freezer isn't cleaned regularly, the contents of the freezer pass on
>> the odors from the things stored in there. I can taste and smell it
>> too.
>> Janet US
>
>In our Maytag refrigerator, the ice maker was open, so getting
>refrigerator smells was possible. This Samsung ice maker and the ice is
>completely closed and latched; it is also small, so I do not know how it
>would work for a large family. The water and ice maker uses this filter,
>which is replaced every 5-6 months:
>
>http://www.waterfiltersonline.com/de...ng-DA29-00003B
>
>Becca

Five to six months... by the third day that thing is breeding more
bacteria than a dirty terlit.

Cartridge filters do more bad than good... they are no better than an
aquarium filter, they trap some solids/sediment so the water looks
clear, but they're a breeding place for germs. Some contain chrarcoal
so they absorb some odor but after about 2-3 days that feature ceases.
I'd rather have no filter than a cartridge filter.

On 9/20/2014 2:51 PM, George Leppla wrote:

> We are pretty happy with this purchase.

That is a great deal! I'm glad you like it. I sure was happy when I got
a new one, similar to yours but GE brand, and I didn't want ice and
water on the door. I have filtered water inside the unit but it doesn't
take up any additional space.

I was also surprised to find that most refrigerators are so deep now!
Mine sticks out a bit but I've gotten used to it, and nothing is in the
way of the doors.

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Cheryl

On 9/20/2014 8:28 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>
> Looks nice but waaay too big for what I'll be buying when I replace
> mine. I do agree the ice-maker is a must. I won't go back to filling
> ice-cube trays again. Congrats!

I shopped around and it seems hard to find smaller ones these days. What
I like about mine is that everything is clear so you can see everything
on every shelf and the drawers, and there are so many lights. Even the
freezer has two light bulbs, one on each side. I've never had a freezer
with a light inside before.

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Cheryl

On 9/22/2014 3:07 PM, Cheri wrote:
>
> "Steve Freides" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> I think ours is 21 cubic feet. Old house, small kitchen, small
>> refrigerator nook.
>>
>> OTOH, I must observe that, now that we try to eat better, we don't
>> have as much in our refrigerator or freezer. The 'fridge here
>> contains a lot of leftovers, sometimes things we cook in big batches
>> on purpose, e.g., we usually buy sausage 3 lbs. at a time because they
>> give you a $2/lb break on the price at the local WF if you do that.
>> But especially my freezer doesn't have a whole lot in it these days.
>>
>> -S-
>
> I don't have a big one either, old house, small refrigerator nook too,
> but if I had the choice I would choose a larger one, especially the
> freezer compartment because I like to stock up on sale too.
>
> Cheri
>
I was surprised I was able to fit my new one in the nook. It takes up
every bit of space there is, though. I have a cabinet over it and while
the old fridge left a few inches between the top of it and the bottom of
the fridge, this one is almost an exact fit. There is, however, enough
space to put a tiny fold up step stool between the fridge and the wall.

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Cheryl

On 9/23/2014 3:03 PM, George Leppla wrote:

> In our new refrigerator, there is a water filter and when the filter's
> useful life is over, an alarm flashes. Replacing it is easy... a simple
> screw in cartridge that is mounted on the back wall of the refrigerator.
> I bought a pack of 2 to have on hand.
>
> So the ice and drinking water is filtered. We use enough ice that the
> idea of "old ice" picking up odors hasn't ever come into play... even in
> our old refrigerator.

Mine has a simple-to-replace filter, too. It filters the water leading
to both the water dispenser and the ice maker in the freezer. The
filter replacement is a little expensive though, and they last less than
a year before the nag feature tells me to replace it.

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Cheryl

On 9/23/2014 3:43 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:

> That's why I don't like built in ice makers... no one ever cleans that
> ice container, has ice in there from the first day it was plugged
> in.... no one ever cleans frost free freezers unless there was a major
> power failure.

?? No one ?? You have asked everyone in the world. I don't recall you
asking me.

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Cheryl

On 9/23/2014 2:01 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 9/23/2014 3:03 PM, George Leppla wrote:
>
>> In our new refrigerator, there is a water filter and when the filter's
>> useful life is over, an alarm flashes. Replacing it is easy... a simple
>> screw in cartridge that is mounted on the back wall of the refrigerator.
>> I bought a pack of 2 to have on hand.
>>
>> So the ice and drinking water is filtered. We use enough ice that the
>> idea of "old ice" picking up odors hasn't ever come into play... even in
>> our old refrigerator.
>
> Mine has a simple-to-replace filter, too. It filters the water leading
> to both the water dispenser and the ice maker in the freezer. The
> filter replacement is a little expensive though, and they last less than
> a year before the nag feature tells me to replace it.
>

If your refrigerator is like mine, you can reset the light reminding
your to replace the filter. This makes the display ever so much more
attractive. I've never replaced my filter. I'm waiting for it to
completely clog up or for the ice to come out black.

"Cheryl" > wrote in message
eb.com...
> On 9/22/2014 3:07 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>
>> "Steve Freides" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> I think ours is 21 cubic feet. Old house, small kitchen, small
>>> refrigerator nook.
>>>
>>> OTOH, I must observe that, now that we try to eat better, we don't
>>> have as much in our refrigerator or freezer. The 'fridge here
>>> contains a lot of leftovers, sometimes things we cook in big batches
>>> on purpose, e.g., we usually buy sausage 3 lbs. at a time because they
>>> give you a $2/lb break on the price at the local WF if you do that.
>>> But especially my freezer doesn't have a whole lot in it these days.
>>>
>>> -S-
>>
>> I don't have a big one either, old house, small refrigerator nook too,
>> but if I had the choice I would choose a larger one, especially the
>> freezer compartment because I like to stock up on sale too.
>>
>> Cheri
>>
> I was surprised I was able to fit my new one in the nook. It takes up
> every bit of space there is, though. I have a cabinet over it and while
> the old fridge left a few inches between the top of it and the bottom of
> the fridge, this one is almost an exact fit. There is, however, enough
> space to put a tiny fold up step stool between the fridge and the wall.

Same when I got my new one. Almost touches the cupboard above and only
enough room on the side for a reaching tool and a fly swatter on the other
side. Not sure what I will do when this one dies. They don't seem to make
this size any more. The side by sides are all larger. And if I have to go
with a top freezer model, it will be way too small.

On 9/23/2014 9:41 AM, Becca EmaNymton wrote:
> On 9/22/2014 5:02 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:


>> bucks. Using that through the door feature constantly cuts the life of
>> a unit at least by half, plus they make lousy stinky ice. If I needed
>> a lot of ice I'd buy one of those countertop ice machines, they are
>> very inexpensive and unlike refrigerator freezer ice machines they are
>> easy to keep clean, the ice they produce doesn't stink like from EVERY
>> refrigerator freezer ice machine. I fill my ice cube trays with RO
>> water or I buy Krystal Klear... the stinky ice from every residential
>> fridge has ruined my drink and made me want to gack... I don't accept
>> ice from fridge ice machines, it's worse than drinking water ladled
>> from their toilet.
>
> Sheldon, we use filtered water so the ice from this refrigerator tastes
> just fine.
>
> Becca
>

Same here, but we use a fair amount of ice. Sheldon is partly right if
people use little ice and have onions in the fridge, it can pick up some
odors over time.

On 9/23/2014 10:08 PM, dsi1 wrote:

>
> If your refrigerator is like mine, you can reset the light reminding
> your to replace the filter. This makes the display ever so much more
> attractive. I've never replaced my filter. I'm waiting for it to
> completely clog up or for the ice to come out black.

Wonder what bacteria may be living in the filter. I'd not wait that long.

On 9/23/2014 3:43 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> I use maybe
> two trays a day and the trays get rotated so no ice is more than 24
> hours old. I really can't see why two people need an ice maker. I
> also don't like built in ice makers because invariably they break down
> the day after the warranty runs out.
>

With twp people it is fairly easy to fill the trays. When the kids were
home it was a battle and I was glad to have it automated. No more
finding one cube left.

In the 20 years we've had one, I did a repair on it once and replaced it
once. The price of convenience I'm willing to pay.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 9/23/2014 10:08 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>>
>> If your refrigerator is like mine, you can reset the light reminding
>> your to replace the filter. This makes the display ever so much more
>> attractive. I've never replaced my filter. I'm waiting for it to
>> completely clog up or for the ice to come out black.
>
> Wonder what bacteria may be living in the filter. I'd not wait that long.

From what I have heard and read, most people never do replace the filter.
And I know that I would not be good to replace it which is why I would not
get that kind.

I was reading the other day why it is not a good idea to wash our ice cube
trays out all the time between uses and the author just assumed that we did.
I don't unless I am making something in them that isn't water or if for
whatever reason they don't look clean. I merely rinse. Anyway... The
article went on to say that beneficial minerals will build up each time you
use them but if you wash, you are washing those away.

On 9/23/2014 10:22 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
> Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> Bigger is always better if it will fit. Mine is just too small which
>> is why we have two little fridges as well.
>
> I don't agree. Bigger costs more to run, all other things being equal.
> We really do try to eat a lot of fresh food - the small one we have
> works fine, and we have both our adult-sized sons at home now, too, and
> we're fine. My freezer is at least half empty.
>
> -S-
>
>

A bigger fridge in 2014 is cheaper to run than a small fridge in 1994.
It also depends on the proximity to the grocery store. If you live some
distance it is cheaper to run the bigger fridge that using a gallon of gas.

The rating on a 34 cu. ft. Samsung is 855 kw a year. In my local, that
is $145. The 18 cu. ft is 594/year or $44 savings. That translates to
about 80 miles of driving. How many trips to the grocery store is that?

That half full freezer is less efficient than a full one too.

On 9/23/2014 7:32 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 9/20/2014 8:28 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>
>> Looks nice but waaay too big for what I'll be buying when I replace
>> mine. I do agree the ice-maker is a must. I won't go back to filling
>> ice-cube trays again. Congrats!
>
> I shopped around and it seems hard to find smaller ones these days. What
> I like about mine is that everything is clear so you can see everything
> on every shelf and the drawers, and there are so many lights. Even the
> freezer has two light bulbs, one on each side. I've never had a freezer
> with a light inside before.
>
I'm not sure about lights being necessary. Just another thing to
replace. The light bulb burned out in my fridge a few years ago. I
tried to unscrew it but it's stuck tight. Rather than take a chance
breaking it off in the socket (hence causing more problems) I live
without a light bulb in the refrigerator. I can see inside the
refrigerator at night simply by turning on the overhead kitchen lights.
And I know where I put things. So it's no big deal. I'm pretty sure
people who had ice-boxes didn't have inside bulbs. Ditto the freezer.

I don't have clear refrigerator doors or bins. I *know* what I have
stored in in the fridge. I'm rather methodical that way.

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 9/23/2014 7:32 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>> On 9/20/2014 8:28 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>> Looks nice but waaay too big for what I'll be buying when I replace
>>> mine. I do agree the ice-maker is a must. I won't go back to filling
>>> ice-cube trays again. Congrats!
>>
>> I shopped around and it seems hard to find smaller ones these days. What
>> I like about mine is that everything is clear so you can see everything
>> on every shelf and the drawers, and there are so many lights. Even the
>> freezer has two light bulbs, one on each side. I've never had a freezer
>> with a light inside before.
>>
> I'm not sure about lights being necessary. Just another thing to replace.
> The light bulb burned out in my fridge a few years ago. I tried to
> unscrew it but it's stuck tight. Rather than take a chance breaking it
> off in the socket (hence causing more problems) I live without a light
> bulb in the refrigerator. I can see inside the refrigerator at night
> simply by turning on the overhead kitchen lights. And I know where I put
> things. So it's no big deal. I'm pretty sure people who had ice-boxes
> didn't have inside bulbs. Ditto the freezer.
>
> I don't have clear refrigerator doors or bins. I *know* what I have stored
> in in the fridge. I'm rather methodical that way.
>
> Jill

I keep a candle burning in my fridge since I had the same problem you did.
The best part is I can see inside the fridge even during a power outage.

"Pico Rico" > wrote in message
...
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 9/23/2014 7:32 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>>> On 9/20/2014 8:28 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Looks nice but waaay too big for what I'll be buying when I replace
>>>> mine. I do agree the ice-maker is a must. I won't go back to filling
>>>> ice-cube trays again. Congrats!
>>>
>>> I shopped around and it seems hard to find smaller ones these days. What
>>> I like about mine is that everything is clear so you can see everything
>>> on every shelf and the drawers, and there are so many lights. Even the
>>> freezer has two light bulbs, one on each side. I've never had a freezer
>>> with a light inside before.
>>>
>> I'm not sure about lights being necessary. Just another thing to
>> replace. The light bulb burned out in my fridge a few years ago. I tried
>> to unscrew it but it's stuck tight. Rather than take a chance breaking
>> it off in the socket (hence causing more problems) I live without a light
>> bulb in the refrigerator. I can see inside the refrigerator at night
>> simply by turning on the overhead kitchen lights. And I know where I put
>> things. So it's no big deal. I'm pretty sure people who had ice-boxes
>> didn't have inside bulbs. Ditto the freezer.
>>
>> I don't have clear refrigerator doors or bins. I *know* what I have
>> stored in in the fridge. I'm rather methodical that way.
>>
>> Jill
>
> I keep a candle burning in my fridge since I had the same problem you did.
> The best part is I can see inside the fridge even during a power outage.

I put little battery operated lights in my garage and laundry room. I find
them helpful as we have to pass through the dark laundry room to get to the
garage door. No need to flip the light off and on now if we are just
passing through. And no need to put the garage light on if we are just
running out for a can of kidney beans or something. They are motion
activated and not all need to be mounted. I would think they would work in
a fridge.

On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 5:02:26 PM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 9/23/2014 10:08 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>
>
> >
>
> > If your refrigerator is like mine, you can reset the light reminding
>
> > your to replace the filter. This makes the display ever so much more
>
> > attractive. I've never replaced my filter. I'm waiting for it to
>
> > completely clog up or for the ice to come out black.
>
>
>
> Wonder what bacteria may be living in the filter. I'd not wait that long.

That's a good question. If there are any, they don't appear to be harmful. My assumption is that you'd need to flush out the entire system to clean it out. I don't know anybody that does this.

I cleaned out my water cooler after years of use and was surprised to find that the hot water tank had quite a viable colony of black algae. Life is quite a tenacious cookie.

On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 5:09:48 PM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 9/23/2014 3:43 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> > I use maybe
>
> > two trays a day and the trays get rotated so no ice is more than 24
>
> > hours old. I really can't see why two people need an ice maker. I
>
> > also don't like built in ice makers because invariably they break down
>
> > the day after the warranty runs out.
>
> >
>
>
>
> With twp people it is fairly easy to fill the trays. When the kids were
>
> home it was a battle and I was glad to have it automated. No more
>
> finding one cube left.
>
>
>
> In the 20 years we've had one, I did a repair on it once and replaced it
>
> once. The price of convenience I'm willing to pay.

Me too. An ice maker is around 100 bucks. They are easy to install. I hope I never have to fill another ice tray again.

On 9/23/2014 10:09 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> In the 20 years we've had one, I did a repair on it once and replaced it
> once. The price of convenience I'm willing to pay.

On our old refrigerator, when the ice maker broke (twice in over 20
years) I was able to buy the parts to fix it. In the new one, it is a
sealed unit... but it slides in and out, one electrical plug, very easy
to replace. Just for the heck of it, I looked it up and the entire unit
costs less than $90. Samsung uses the same ice maker on many of their
models so it is a common part.
http://www.samsungparts.com/Products...RFG297AABP/XAA

This is not something that I am ever going to worry about.

George L

On 9/23/2014 10:09 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 9/23/2014 3:43 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> I use maybe
>> two trays a day and the trays get rotated so no ice is more than 24
>> hours old. I really can't see why two people need an ice maker. I
>> also don't like built in ice makers because invariably they break down
>> the day after the warranty runs out.
>>
>
> With twp people it is fairly easy to fill the trays. When the kids were
> home it was a battle and I was glad to have it automated. No more
> finding one cube left.
>
> In the 20 years we've had one, I did a repair on it once and replaced it
> once. The price of convenience I'm willing to pay.

My old refrigerator was a side by side and I had it for 20 years, I
replaced the ice maker, once, and I did it myself. Two years ago, George
replaced the ice maker in the same refrigerator. I am happy to get 10+
years out of an ice maker, a replacement for this one is $85 and it is
well worth the price. We drink ice water all day.

Becca

On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 16:08:47 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:

>On 9/23/2014 2:01 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>> On 9/23/2014 3:03 PM, George Leppla wrote:
>>
>>> In our new refrigerator, there is a water filter and when the filter's
>>> useful life is over, an alarm flashes. Replacing it is easy... a simple
>>> screw in cartridge that is mounted on the back wall of the refrigerator.
>>> I bought a pack of 2 to have on hand.
>>>
>>> So the ice and drinking water is filtered. We use enough ice that the
>>> idea of "old ice" picking up odors hasn't ever come into play... even in
>>> our old refrigerator.
>>
>> Mine has a simple-to-replace filter, too. It filters the water leading
>> to both the water dispenser and the ice maker in the freezer. The
>> filter replacement is a little expensive though, and they last less than
>> a year before the nag feature tells me to replace it.
>>
>
>If your refrigerator is like mine, you can reset the light reminding
>your to replace the filter. This makes the display ever so much more
>attractive. I've never replaced my filter. I'm waiting for it to
>completely clog up or for the ice to come out black.

Your ice cubes are being made with filthy disgusting bacteria laden
water. Those cartridge filters don't do much filtering, they should
be changed every week. It would be more healthful to remove the
cartridge and leave it out. Consider having the fridge connected to
an RO filter.

On Wed, 24 Sep 2014 00:53:52 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 5:09:48 PM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 9/23/2014 3:43 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>> > I use maybe
>>
>> > two trays a day and the trays get rotated so no ice is more than 24
>>
>> > hours old. I really can't see why two people need an ice maker. I
>>
>> > also don't like built in ice makers because invariably they break down
>>
>> > the day after the warranty runs out.
>>
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> With twp people it is fairly easy to fill the trays. When the kids were
>>
>> home it was a battle and I was glad to have it automated. No more
>>
>> finding one cube left.
>>
>>
>>
>> In the 20 years we've had one, I did a repair on it once and replaced it
>>
>> once. The price of convenience I'm willing to pay.
>
>Me too. An ice maker is around 100 bucks. They are easy to install. I hope I never have to fill another ice tray again.

You'd be better off with a separate portable ice maker and reclaim
about 2 cu ft of freezer space.

"Pico Rico" wrote:

>
>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
>> On 9/23/2014 7:32 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>>> On 9/20/2014 8:28 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Looks nice but waaay too big for what I'll be buying when I replace
>>>> mine. I do agree the ice-maker is a must. I won't go back to filling
>>>> ice-cube trays again. Congrats!
>>>
>>> I shopped around and it seems hard to find smaller ones these days. What
>>> I like about mine is that everything is clear so you can see everything
>>> on every shelf and the drawers, and there are so many lights. Even the
>>> freezer has two light bulbs, one on each side. I've never had a freezer
>>> with a light inside before.
>>>
>> I'm not sure about lights being necessary. Just another thing to replace.
>> The light bulb burned out in my fridge a few years ago. I tried to
>> unscrew it but it's stuck tight. Rather than take a chance breaking it
>> off in the socket (hence causing more problems) I live without a light
>> bulb in the refrigerator. I can see inside the refrigerator at night
>> simply by turning on the overhead kitchen lights. And I know where I put
>> things. So it's no big deal. I'm pretty sure people who had ice-boxes
>> didn't have inside bulbs. Ditto the freezer.
>>
>> I don't have clear refrigerator doors or bins. I *know* what I have stored
>> in in the fridge. I'm rather methodical that way.
>
>I keep a candle burning in my fridge since I had the same problem you did.
>The best part is I can see inside the fridge even during a power outage.

There are battery operated fridge lights, has a switch operated by the
door so it only turns on when the door is opened. But it's easy to
remove a stuck light bulb, first pull the plug on the fridge, then
wear a rubber glove for a better grip. If the glass bulb breaks it's
very easy to unscrew the threaded brass portion by turning ccw with
needlenose pliers. Put a thin film of Vaselene on the brass threads of
the new bulb, same with all outdoor lamps, and not necessary to screw
any bulbs in too tight, just enough that they light.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 9/23/2014 10:22 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>> Bigger is always better if it will fit. Mine is just too small
>>> which is why we have two little fridges as well.
>>
>> I don't agree. Bigger costs more to run, all other things being
>> equal. We really do try to eat a lot of fresh food - the small one
>> we have works fine, and we have both our adult-sized sons at home
>> now, too, and we're fine. My freezer is at least half empty.
>>
>> -S-
>>
>>
>
> A bigger fridge in 2014 is cheaper to run than a small fridge in 1994.
> It also depends on the proximity to the grocery store. If you live
> some distance it is cheaper to run the bigger fridge that using a
> gallon of gas.

Fair point. I have three groceries stores near me, and the further of
them is 8/10 of a mile away.

> The rating on a 34 cu. ft. Samsung is 855 kw a year. In my local,
> that is $145. The 18 cu. ft is 594/year or $44 savings. That
> translates
> to about 80 miles of driving. How many trips to the grocery store is
> that?
> That half full freezer is less efficient than a full one too.

Well, all I can say is that I keep in mine what I need. Sometimes it's
more full than others.

-S-

On Wednesday, September 24, 2014 6:08:37 AM UTC-10, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 16:08:47 -1000, dsi1
>
> > wrote:
>
>
>
> >On 9/23/2014 2:01 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>
> >> On 9/23/2014 3:03 PM, George Leppla wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>> In our new refrigerator, there is a water filter and when the filter's
>
> >>> useful life is over, an alarm flashes. Replacing it is easy... a simple
>
> >>> screw in cartridge that is mounted on the back wall of the refrigerator.
>
> >>> I bought a pack of 2 to have on hand.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> So the ice and drinking water is filtered. We use enough ice that the
>
> >>> idea of "old ice" picking up odors hasn't ever come into play... even in
>
> >>> our old refrigerator.
>
> >>
>
> >> Mine has a simple-to-replace filter, too. It filters the water leading
>
> >> to both the water dispenser and the ice maker in the freezer. The
>
> >> filter replacement is a little expensive though, and they last less than
>
> >> a year before the nag feature tells me to replace it.
>
> >>
>
> >
>
> >If your refrigerator is like mine, you can reset the light reminding
>
> >your to replace the filter. This makes the display ever so much more
>
> >attractive. I've never replaced my filter. I'm waiting for it to
>
> >completely clog up or for the ice to come out black.
>
>
>
> Your ice cubes are being made with filthy disgusting bacteria laden
>
> water. Those cartridge filters don't do much filtering, they should
>
> be changed every week. It would be more healthful to remove the
>
> cartridge and leave it out. Consider having the fridge connected to
>
> an RO filter.

My guess is that it would be safer to replace the entire system every three months. OTOH, I do not live in fear of germs so I'll just wait until something happens.

On Wednesday, September 24, 2014 6:13:25 AM UTC-10, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Sep 2014 00:53:52 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <>
>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 5:09:48 PM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> >> On 9/23/2014 3:43 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> > I use maybe
>
> >>
>
> >> > two trays a day and the trays get rotated so no ice is more than 24
>
> >>
>
> >> > hours old. I really can't see why two people need an ice maker. I
>
> >>
>
> >> > also don't like built in ice makers because invariably they break down
>
> >>
>
> >> > the day after the warranty runs out.
>
> >>
>
> >> >
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> With twp people it is fairly easy to fill the trays. When the kids were
>
> >>
>
> >> home it was a battle and I was glad to have it automated. No more
>
> >>
>
> >> finding one cube left.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> In the 20 years we've had one, I did a repair on it once and replaced it
>
> >>
>
> >> once. The price of convenience I'm willing to pay.
>
> >
>
> >Me too. An ice maker is around 100 bucks. They are easy to install. I hope I never have to fill another ice tray again.
>
>
>
> You'd be better off with a separate portable ice maker and reclaim
>
> about 2 cu ft of freezer space.

This might be do-able if the ice maker was an add-on unit. I ain't gonna be reclaiming any space at all with a system that's so intergrated.

On Wed, 24 Sep 2014 14:10:33 -0400, "Steve Freides" >
wrote:

>Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 9/23/2014 10:22 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bigger is always better if it will fit. Mine is just too small
>>>> which is why we have two little fridges as well.
>>>
>>> I don't agree. Bigger costs more to run, all other things being
>>> equal. We really do try to eat a lot of fresh food - the small one
>>> we have works fine, and we have both our adult-sized sons at home
>>> now, too, and we're fine. My freezer is at least half empty.
>>>
>>> -S-
>>>
>>>
>>
>> A bigger fridge in 2014 is cheaper to run than a small fridge in 1994.
>> It also depends on the proximity to the grocery store. If you live
>> some distance it is cheaper to run the bigger fridge that using a
>> gallon of gas.
>
>Fair point. I have three groceries stores near me, and the further of
>them is 8/10 of a mile away.
>
>> The rating on a 34 cu. ft. Samsung is 855 kw a year. In my local,
>> that is $145. The 18 cu. ft is 594/year or $44 savings. That
>> translates
>> to about 80 miles of driving. How many trips to the grocery store is
>> that?
>> That half full freezer is less efficient than a full one too.
>
>Well, all I can say is that I keep in mine what I need. Sometimes it's
>more full than others.

Even though my second fridge is older it's in the basement and gets
opened maybe 10 times a week so it uses very little electricity. On
the other hand the kitchen fridge is much newer but gets opened many
times each day, so the comparison of power consumed for the basement
fridge is negligible. How a fridge is used has a lot more to do with
power consumed than age. I know people who have a huge fridge in
their kitchen but everytime it's opened they stand there perusing the
contents for like 30+ seconds and remove nothing... everyone in the
family does the same, their fridge is opened hundreds of times a
day... often they open the fridge, stare into it for a long time, then
just walk away without closing the door, slooowly closes on its own.
They have a lot of other energy wasting habits; lights on in every
room, basement and garage lights on 24/7, light their big stove oven
to bake one potato... I've seen lots of folks who live the same...
some people have their washer and drier going nonstop, all day every
day... I do all the laundry here, at most three loads a week, often
just two, in winter sometimes just one load a week... in warm weather
there's more dirty sweaty outdoor work but in winter there's no need
to change clothes but once a day. Since I had an on demand tankless
hot water heater installed my propane bill from April till now has
been $36, that's for hot water and cooking. Previously for the same
time period it was a full 20 times more, mostly for hot water. Anyone
who's still heating hot water in a tank is a fool. A tankless on
demand water heater may seem pricey but it will pay for itself in less
than two years.

On 9/24/2014 12:24 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> There are battery operated fridge lights, has a switch operated by the
> door so it only turns on when the door is opened.

LOL Do you think other fridge bulbs stay lit when the door is closed?

Thank you, Sheldon. My point was having a light in the refrigerator is
not essential. I don't need a brightly lit refrigerator. I know what
is in it and I can see where things are without the bulb.

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 9/24/2014 12:24 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> There are battery operated fridge lights, has a switch operated by the
>> door so it only turns on when the door is opened.
>
> LOL Do you think other fridge bulbs stay lit when the door is closed?
>
> Thank you, Sheldon. My point was having a light in the refrigerator is
> not essential. I don't need a brightly lit refrigerator. I know what is
> in it and I can see where things are without the bulb.

I prefer the light. I hate having to turn on my kitchen lights. There are
just too many of them. I had to have a dimmer installed but that didn't
really help much. There are still too many. So now you just sort of get
too bright or a little too dim.

In article >,
"Julie Bove" > wrote:

> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 9/24/2014 12:24 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> >> There are battery operated fridge lights, has a switch operated by the
> >> door so it only turns on when the door is opened.
> >
> > LOL Do you think other fridge bulbs stay lit when the door is closed?
> >
> > Thank you, Sheldon. My point was having a light in the refrigerator is
> > not essential. I don't need a brightly lit refrigerator. I know what is
> > in it and I can see where things are without the bulb.
>
> I prefer the light. I hate having to turn on my kitchen lights. There are
> just too many of them. I had to have a dimmer installed but that didn't
> really help much. There are still too many. So now you just sort of get
> too bright or a little too dim.

amazing: remove some or replace with lower wattage bulbs? duh

In article >,
"Julie Bove" > wrote:

> So now you just sort of get too bright or a little too dim.

Jeez, what a setup.

-- Larry

pltrgyst wrote:
> "Julie Bove" wrote:
>
> > So now you just sort of get too bright or a little too dim.
>
>Jeez.

I concur... nothing about Juile is bright but lots dim. LOL

On 9/23/2014 10:08 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>
> If your refrigerator is like mine, you can reset the light reminding
> your to replace the filter. This makes the display ever so much more
> attractive. I've never replaced my filter. I'm waiting for it to
> completely clog up or for the ice to come out black.

When the filter needs replacing, the water from the dispenser starts
losing stream strength. It takes too long for my water glass to fill
up, so I'll just replace the filter.


--
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Cheryl

On 9/23/2014 11:09 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> On 9/23/2014 3:43 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> I use maybe
>> two trays a day and the trays get rotated so no ice is more than 24
>> hours old. I really can't see why two people need an ice maker. I
>> also don't like built in ice makers because invariably they break down
>> the day after the warranty runs out.
>>
>
> With twp people it is fairly easy to fill the trays. When the kids were
> home it was a battle and I was glad to have it automated. No more
> finding one cube left.
>
> In the 20 years we've had one, I did a repair on it once and replaced it
> once. The price of convenience I'm willing to pay.

Ditto. In my house, this is the first time I've ever had an icemaker and
I enjoy the convenience.

--
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Cheryl

On 9/24/2014 9:10 AM, George Leppla wrote:
> On 9/23/2014 10:09 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> In the 20 years we've had one, I did a repair on it once and replaced it
>> once. The price of convenience I'm willing to pay.
>
> On our old refrigerator, when the ice maker broke (twice in over 20
> years) I was able to buy the parts to fix it. In the new one, it is a
> sealed unit... but it slides in and out, one electrical plug, very easy
> to replace. Just for the heck of it, I looked it up and the entire unit
> costs less than $90. Samsung uses the same ice maker on many of their
> models so it is a common part.
> http://www.samsungparts.com/Products...RFG297AABP/XAA
>
>
> This is not something that I am ever going to worry about.
>
> George L

That is an awesome plus with your unit!

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Cheryl

On 9/23/2014 11:36 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>
> A bigger fridge in 2014 is cheaper to run than a small fridge in 1994.
> It also depends on the proximity to the grocery store. If you live some
> distance it is cheaper to run the bigger fridge that using a gallon of gas.
>
> The rating on a 34 cu. ft. Samsung is 855 kw a year. In my local, that
> is $145. The 18 cu. ft is 594/year or $44 savings. That translates to
> about 80 miles of driving. How many trips to the grocery store is that?
>
> That half full freezer is less efficient than a full one too.

I love the math you've done! For healthy people this is good advice. For
those of us who have trouble doing even regular grocery shopping, the
less shopping required the better.

That said, I'm going in for another back surgery on Monday. I hope this
one helps more than the last one.

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Cheryl

"Cheryl" > wrote in message
eb.com...
> On 9/23/2014 11:09 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> On 9/23/2014 3:43 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> I use maybe
>>> two trays a day and the trays get rotated so no ice is more than 24
>>> hours old. I really can't see why two people need an ice maker. I
>>> also don't like built in ice makers because invariably they break down
>>> the day after the warranty runs out.
>>>
>>
>> With twp people it is fairly easy to fill the trays. When the kids were
>> home it was a battle and I was glad to have it automated. No more
>> finding one cube left.
>>
>> In the 20 years we've had one, I did a repair on it once and replaced it
>> once. The price of convenience I'm willing to pay.
>
> Ditto. In my house, this is the first time I've ever had an icemaker and I
> enjoy the convenience.

Same here. I was the icemaker for all those years and I really enjoy having
it now. I never really thought I wanted one, but I'm glad it came with the
new fridge because I would never have known how nice it is to have it. I've
never noticed an off taste with it so far and we do use a lot of ice since
we usually have a glasses of ice water going all day long. I clean the ice
container often too.

Cheri