"Cheryl" > wrote in message
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> That said, I'm going in for another back surgery on Monday. I hope this
> one helps more than the last one.

I hope everything turns out well Cheryl. I've not had a bad back thankfully,
but I'm sure it must be very painful and limiting with mobility.

Cheri

Cheryl wrote:
>
>When the filter needs replacing, the water from the dispenser starts
>losing stream strength. It takes too long for my water glass to fill
>up, so I'll just replace the filter.

If only it was so easy to replace a prostate. hehe
With your water filter what a weak stream means is that your filter is
clogged with schmutz and lots of bacteria... and it's been that way
since long before you noticed a weak stream... not good. You'd be far
better off to toss the old filter cartridge and NOT replace it. Those
filter cartridges should be outlawed. I had my RO filter serviced
yesterday new UV lamp too... I'm good for another year.

On Saturday, September 20, 2014 1:51:55 PM UTC-5, George L wrote:
> A few weeks ago we bought a new refrigerator. After a lot of looking
>
> around we decided we wanted a French Door model with lower freezer. Ice
>
> maker is a must. We shopped our favorite appliance dealer and found this:
>
>
>
> http://www.samsung.com/us/appliances...RF28HFEDBSR/AA
>
>
>
> The place we buy appliances is a local company that specializes in
>
> selling floor models, discontinued models, scratch and dent, overstocks,
>
> etc. They also sell refurbished used appliances. So far we have bought
>
> a stove, washing machine and now this refrigerator.
>
>
>
> This unit is selling at Sears for around $1800. Our refrigerator is
>
> brand new, has two small dents in the door (one way up high, the other
>
> way down low). All the protective factory film was still on the unit
>
> when we got it. We paid $750, including tax and delivery and set up....
>
> and removal of our old unit... which they will probably clean up, check
>
> out and sell for around $150.
>
>
>
> The unit is so big that all the doors had to come off to get it into the
>
> house... and I had to remove the front door.
>
>
>
> It is probably too big for our kitchen, but we tend to buy things in
>
> bulk when they are on sale. We will be remodeling our kitchen this
>
> Fall... should probably have done that first, but this was too good a
>
> deal to pass up.
>
>
>
> Digital controls... fridge is set at 36 degrees and the freezer at 6
>
> degrees. I know they recommend Zero degrees but Ice cream gets too hard
>
> to serve at that temperature. Everything else besides the ice cream
>
> degrees is rock hard at 6 degrees, so that is where we set it.
>
>
>
> Three weeks and everything works perfectly. The ice maker is a bit
>
> loud, but so was our old one. I like the LED lighting. I find I am
>
> still opening both doors when I want something from the refrigerator.
>
> With time, we'll get everything settled in place and only have to open
>
> one door to grab what we want.
>
>
>
> We are pretty happy with this purchase.
>
>
>
> George L

I think it sounds like a great deal. You were lucky to find it.
Rosie M

On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 21:54:38 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>
>"Cheryl" > wrote in message
web.com...
>> On 9/23/2014 11:09 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/23/2014 3:43 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>> I use maybe
>>>> two trays a day and the trays get rotated so no ice is more than 24
>>>> hours old. I really can't see why two people need an ice maker. I
>>>> also don't like built in ice makers because invariably they break down
>>>> the day after the warranty runs out.
>>>>
>>>
>>> With twp people it is fairly easy to fill the trays. When the kids were
>>> home it was a battle and I was glad to have it automated. No more
>>> finding one cube left.
>>>
>>> In the 20 years we've had one, I did a repair on it once and replaced it
>>> once. The price of convenience I'm willing to pay.
>>
>> Ditto. In my house, this is the first time I've ever had an icemaker and I
>> enjoy the convenience.
>
>Same here. I was the icemaker for all those years and I really enjoy having
>it now. I never really thought I wanted one, but I'm glad it came with the
>new fridge because I would never have known how nice it is to have it. I've
>never noticed an off taste with it so far and we do use a lot of ice since
>we usually have a glasses of ice water going all day long. I clean the ice
>container often too.

That's good, most people never clean the ice container so it stinks.
If I used a lot of ice I might consider a separate ice machine, but
connected to my RO filtered water... I typically use just two trays of
cubes a day, and I much prefer full size cubes, I don't enjoy a
watered down drink from those mini cubes and I despise a drink with
crushed ice. I think it's silly and poor economics to not have an RO
filter, the price of a half dozen cartridge filters is about equal to
the cost of an RO filter... and most people can install it themself.
RO filtered water costed about 5¢ a gallon, so think of all the money
saved from never buying bottled water, and bottled warer is not nearly
as good as RO filtered water.

On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 06:18:52 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 00:40:48 -0400, Cheryl >
>wrote:
>
>> On 9/23/2014 11:09 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> > On 9/23/2014 3:43 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> >> I use maybe
>> >> two trays a day and the trays get rotated so no ice is more than 24
>> >> hours old. I really can't see why two people need an ice maker. I
>> >> also don't like built in ice makers because invariably they break down
>> >> the day after the warranty runs out.
>> >>
>> >
>> > With twp people it is fairly easy to fill the trays. When the kids were
>> > home it was a battle and I was glad to have it automated. No more
>> > finding one cube left.
>> >
>> > In the 20 years we've had one, I did a repair on it once and replaced it
>> > once. The price of convenience I'm willing to pay.
>>
>> Ditto. In my house, this is the first time I've ever had an icemaker and
>> I enjoy the convenience.
>
>We've had two refrigerators with two ice makers and both quickly
>developed a leak at the back of the refrigerator. This one has been
>disconnected for years - it doesn't matter because we don't use much
>ice. If we need a lot of ice for a party, we buy a bag.

That's what I do, if I'm going to have guests I buy a big bag of
Krystal Klear cubes for under $3. And if they don't all get used I
keep the bag in my freezer and use them myself after guests leave...
some times I think I should buy those cubes all the time, I get
spoiled using those beautiful clear cubes for a couple of days. I'd
much rather buy Krystal Klear all the time than have an ice maker in
my fridge... and why give up about 2 cu ft of freezer space for an ice
maker, makes no sense... if I wanted an ice maker it would definitely
be one of those portable countertop machines.

On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 00:46:43 -0400, Cheryl >
wrote:

>On 9/23/2014 11:36 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>
>>
>> A bigger fridge in 2014 is cheaper to run than a small fridge in 1994.
>> It also depends on the proximity to the grocery store. If you live some
>> distance it is cheaper to run the bigger fridge that using a gallon of gas.
>>
>> The rating on a 34 cu. ft. Samsung is 855 kw a year. In my local, that
>> is $145. The 18 cu. ft is 594/year or $44 savings. That translates to
>> about 80 miles of driving. How many trips to the grocery store is that?
>>
>> That half full freezer is less efficient than a full one too.
>
>I love the math you've done! For healthy people this is good advice. For
>those of us who have trouble doing even regular grocery shopping, the
>less shopping required the better.
>
>That said, I'm going in for another back surgery on Monday. I hope this
>one helps more than the last one.

Good Luck! I had injections for herniated discs, I didn't think it
would work but with the third shots I woke up the next morning totally
pain free, that was five years ago. The Neurologist I went to did not
recommend surgery, said once you go down that path you'll be having
surgeries for the rest of your life and won't get much relief between.

On 9/27/2014 8:48 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 9/27/2014 5:36 AM, Cheryl wrote:
>> On 9/27/2014 1:02 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>
>>> "Cheryl" > wrote in message
>>> news:54264138$0$18847$b1db1813
>>>
>>>> That said, I'm going in for another back surgery on Monday. I hope
>>>> this one helps more than the last one.
>>>
>>> I hope everything turns out well Cheryl. I've not had a bad back
>>> thankfully, but I'm sure it must be very painful and limiting with
>>> mobility.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>> Thank you Cheri, it really is! And so frustrating! I thought the spinal
>> fusion was supposed to take care of the problem and make me mobile
>> again. There has been no improvement in the last 2 years and my last MRI
>> showed degeneration going higher now than just L5-S1. My surgeon said
>> that even if I have surgery now, I'm going to have to have more later.
>> But while he's doing a decompression, he's going to remove the hardware
>> from the fusion 2 years ago because he said the MRI showed that part of
>> my spine is solid now. He also said removing that might help me feel
>> better.
>>
> Best of luck, Cheryl! What a pain in the... I'm sorry you're having to
> deal with this.
>
> Jill

Best of luck on your surgery tomorrow, Cheryl, I will light a candle and
keep you in my thoughts.

Becca

Here is the thing about "new" players in large appliances. Do they have more than a couple years of production behind them
so you know you will have access to parts and service for as long as they last? I would worry a little about
Samsung because of this, and would rather go with a brand that has been around for a while.

Also, I have read that a refrigerator that is so large that it is about half or more empty most of the time is much less
efficient to operate than a smaller one which is mostly full most of the time. I would rather have one inconveniently
full at certain times, than one that would be half empty and more costly to operate.

Plus, there is always Murphy's Law: available space will get filled up. Then you maybe would be throwing a lot of
stuff out because you didn't get around to using it before it spoiled. Except for things like flavored vinegars, oils,
and salad dressings and condiments, for example, things that have to be refrigerated have a relatively short "fresh"
life, and a small family or one or two persons can use only so much in a week or two. Just my take on fridge size.

N.

"Nancy2" > wrote in message
...
>
> Here is the thing about "new" players in large appliances. Do they have
> more than a couple years of production behind them
> so you know you will have access to parts and service for as long as they
> last? I would worry a little about
> Samsung because of this, and would rather go with a brand that has been
> around for a while.
>
> Also, I have read that a refrigerator that is so large that it is about
> half or more empty most of the time is much less
> efficient to operate than a smaller one which is mostly full most of the
> time. I would rather have one inconveniently
> full at certain times, than one that would be half empty and more costly
> to operate.
>
> Plus, there is always Murphy's Law: available space will get filled up.
> Then you maybe would be throwing a lot of
> stuff out because you didn't get around to using it before it spoiled.
> Except for things like flavored vinegars, oils,
> and salad dressings and condiments, for example, things that have to be
> refrigerated have a relatively short "fresh"
> life, and a small family or one or two persons can use only so much in a
> week or two. Just my take on fridge size.
>
> N.

bigger is better:

1. if you don't open the door a lot, the energy difference is negligible.

2. you need the extra space for your "banquets" with family and friends.

3. you can fill containers with water and take up extra space when not
needed - increase the thermal mass, greater hold time with power outages,
and you have water saved for an emergency.

4. you can more easily "slack" food items (thaw in fridge rather than on the
counter, in the sink, etc.).

On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 00:46:43 -0400, Cheryl >
wrote:

snip
>
>That said, I'm going in for another back surgery on Monday. I hope this
>one helps more than the last one.

I'm sorry to hear about your surgery. I am hoping the surgery gives
you relief. Good Luck, Kiddo!
Janet US

"Pico Rico" wrote:
>"Nancy2" wrote:
>>
>> Here is the thing about "new" players in large appliances. Do they have
>> more than a couple years of production behind them
>> so you know you will have access to parts and service for as long as they
>> last? I would worry a little about
>> Samsung because of this, and would rather go with a brand that has been
>> around for a while.

The major mechanicals of fridges are made by a company that makes say
compressors that are interchangeable with several brands... Samsung
may not make any mechanical/electrical parts for their appliances,
they likely contract most if not all manufacturing of parts that can
break down, they may only produce the cabinet, trim, assemble, and
market... I worked for a few major appliance makers, that's all they
did (sheet metal and paint). There are companies that just stock
after market parts... it might be 50 years before you can't get parts
for a fridge.

>> Also, I have read that a refrigerator that is so large that it is about
>> half or more empty most of the time is much less
>> efficient to operate than a smaller one which is mostly full most of the
>> time. I would rather have one inconveniently
>> full at certain times, than one that would be half empty and more costly
>> to operate.

With modern frost free technology it matters not how full, costs the
same to operate full to the gunwales or empty as the day you first
plugged it in... what makes a fridge cost more to operate is
constantly opening the door, and the ambient temperature where it's
located ... if one lives in a hot climate and has no AC any fridge
will cost more to operate. Refrigerators are designed to operate most
efficiently at 72ºF, too cold makes operation more expensive too, due
to thickening of lubricating fluids.

>> Plus, there is always Murphy's Law: available space will get filled up.
>> Then you maybe would be throwing a lot of
>> stuff out because you didn't get around to using it before it spoiled.
>> Except for things like flavored vinegars, oils,
>> and salad dressings and condiments, for example, things that have to be
>> refrigerated have a relatively short "fresh"
>> life, and a small family or one or two persons can use only so much in a
>> week or two. Just my take on fridge size.

Oils and salad dressings have a relatively short shelf life and I
don't know of anyone who keeps vinegar in the fridge. However most
folks toss foods they didn't get around to using before it spoiled,
and has nothing to do with the fridge... foods spoil in the pantry
too.

>bigger is better:
>
>1. if you don't open the door a lot, the energy difference is negligible.

True of all fridges, size has nothing to do with it... just that the
larger the unit the higher it's operating expense regardless.

>2. you need the extra space for your "banquets" with family and friends.

Yes, if one entertains often more fridge space is handy... but I
prefer having a 2nd fridge to one large one.... having a fully loaded
large fridge go on the fritz on a holiday weekend made having two
fridges a no brainer.

>3. you can fill containers with water and take up extra space when not
>needed - increase the thermal mass, greater hold time with power outages,
>and you have water saved for an emergency.

That concept has the most effect with the freezer, not so much with
the fridge. I don't recommend having ones emergency water in the
fridge, that would necessitate opening the door, not wise.... during a
power outage don't open the fridge/freezer door for any reason. Most
of what one normally keeps in their fridge is not all that perishable,
much of what one keeps in their fridge doesn't require refrigeration
anyway, it's the freezer that contains the most perishables.

>4. you can more easily "slack" food items (thaw in fridge rather than on the
>counter, in the sink, etc.).

I don't think people do much mass thawing on a daily basis that they
can't find space in any size fridge... and normal people plan to have
space for thawing their holiday turkey.

There is no way to advise with any degree of accuracy what size fridge
someone should have... where food is concerned everyone has different
priorities and appetites. Some folks get by just fine with no more
than a no frills fridge not much more than dorm size... some find a
top of the line 40 cu ft behemouth inadequate. I think in the US a
lot of people are compulsively obssessed food shoppers, they never
feel like they have enough food in their house, perhaps when they were
raised they often went to bed hungry. I don't know why so many in the
US need a big chest freezer filled with a ton of meat... in the US
meat is on sale every day. I can understand having a few meals worth
as a convenience, not a years worth like it's their retirement
investment. I think people who need to horde frozen meat for a year
have some sort of deep rooted psychological issue.

On 9/28/2014 12:23 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:

>
>>> Also, I have read that a refrigerator that is so large that it is about
>>> half or more empty most of the time is much less
>>> efficient to operate than a smaller one which is mostly full most of the
>>> time. I would rather have one inconveniently
>>> full at certain times, than one that would be half empty and more costly
>>> to operate.
>
> With modern frost free technology it matters not how full, costs the
> same to operate full to the gunwales or empty as the day you first
> plugged it in... what makes a fridge cost more to operate is
> constantly opening the door, and the ambient temperature where it's
> located ..

If the fridge is loaded, when you open the door some of the cold air
comes out and is replaced by warmer air. When the fridge is only 1/4
full, more cold air is likely to come out so more warmer air takes its
place. In a months time, the difference is probably 3 cents.

The off setting factor though is time. If the fridge is chock full, you
may have the door open 5 minuets searching for the sour cream. With
things open and easily accessed in the sparsly loaded box, you will open
the door, easily see what you want and close the door quickly with
little hot air getting in.

Valid points and counterpoints made in this thread; certainly, food for thought.
I don't know about freezers full of meat being a psychological issue, but it certainly isn't very
smart if one lives where power outages may occur. Which is just about everywhere.

N.

On 9/27/2014 8:01 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Cheryl" > wrote in message
> eb.com...
>
>> That said, I'm going in for another back surgery on Monday. I hope
>> this one helps more than the last one.
>
> Good wishes for Monday!!! Report back when you can please?
>
>
Thank you! I will.

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Cheryl

On 9/27/2014 9:48 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 9/27/2014 5:36 AM, Cheryl wrote:
>> On 9/27/2014 1:02 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>
>>> "Cheryl" > wrote in message
>>> news:54264138$0$18847$b1db1813
>>>
>>>> That said, I'm going in for another back surgery on Monday. I hope
>>>> this one helps more than the last one.
>>>
>>> I hope everything turns out well Cheryl. I've not had a bad back
>>> thankfully, but I'm sure it must be very painful and limiting with
>>> mobility.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>> Thank you Cheri, it really is! And so frustrating! I thought the spinal
>> fusion was supposed to take care of the problem and make me mobile
>> again. There has been no improvement in the last 2 years and my last MRI
>> showed degeneration going higher now than just L5-S1. My surgeon said
>> that even if I have surgery now, I'm going to have to have more later.
>> But while he's doing a decompression, he's going to remove the hardware
>> from the fusion 2 years ago because he said the MRI showed that part of
>> my spine is solid now. He also said removing that might help me feel
>> better.
>>
> Best of luck, Cheryl! What a pain in the... I'm sorry you're having to
> deal with this.
>
> Jill

Thank you Jill, and everyone. I really appreciate the well wishes and
wish I could reply to you all individually, but I can't right now. Just
know it is much appreciated and I thank you from my heart.

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Cheryl

Wow - that is some Leviathan of a fridge.

If my fridge died tonight, I honestly don't know whether to get another side by side, or one of these Frenchies. I also have always thought a freezer-on-bottom- was the way to go. Pros and cons for each, I realize.

One thing I'd do with a side by side would be to measure the width of those freezer shelves. Mine is now about 11 inches and ya cudn't even fit a 12 inch round cake in there.
What I like about a side by side is that you can place items on each side so that there is less bending and hunting. I put frequently used items on the topmost shelves.

I'm still waiting to see one with a foot controlled door opener.

On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 13:20:29 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 9/28/2014 12:23 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>>
>>>> Also, I have read that a refrigerator that is so large that it is about
>>>> half or more empty most of the time is much less
>>>> efficient to operate than a smaller one which is mostly full most of the
>>>> time. I would rather have one inconveniently
>>>> full at certain times, than one that would be half empty and more costly
>>>> to operate.
>>
>> With modern frost free technology it matters not how full, costs the
>> same to operate full to the gunwales or empty as the day you first
>> plugged it in... what makes a fridge cost more to operate is
>> constantly opening the door, and the ambient temperature where it's
>> located ..
>
>If the fridge is loaded, when you open the door some of the cold air
>comes out and is replaced by warmer air. When the fridge is only 1/4
>full, more cold air is likely to come out so more warmer air takes its
>place. In a months time, the difference is probably 3 cents.
>
>The off setting factor though is time. If the fridge is chock full, you
>may have the door open 5 minuets searching for the sour cream. With
>things open and easily accessed in the sparsly loaded box, you will open
>the door, easily see what you want and close the door quickly with
>little hot air getting in.

I'm the one who arranges the fridge, if I were to suddenly go blind I
could easily find everything in there... my entire kitchen is like
that... no one else cooks here but me, every item in every
cupbord/drawer has a home. When I have guests I let them know right
off if they need something ask... I don't want anyone rummaging
around, I wouldn't ever think to open someone elses fridge any more
than I'd rummage through their clothes closet or anywhere else... I
was raised that when I'm a guest to ask if I want something. I never
tell anyone to make themselves at home, that is a major booboo, how do
I know how others live at home. When folks go to their doctor don't
they take a seat in the waiting room, they don't go wandering about
the examination rooms.

On 9/28/2014 2:16 PM, Kalmia wrote:
> Wow - that is some Leviathan of a fridge.
>
> If my fridge died tonight, I honestly don't know whether to get
> another side by side, or one of these Frenchies. I also have always
> thought a freezer-on-bottom- was the way to go. Pros and cons for
> each, I realize.
>
> One thing I'd do with a side by side would be to measure the width of
> those freezer shelves. Mine is now about 11 inches and ya cudn't
> even fit a 12 inch round cake in there. What I like about a side by
> side is that you can place items on each side so that there is less
> bending and hunting. I put frequently used items on the topmost
> shelves.
>
> I'm still waiting to see one with a foot controlled door opener.

Our old refrigerator was a side by side and I had the same problems with
the freezer that you mentioned.

George wanted a French door refrigerator and as it turns out, this one
is much nicer than I expected, I am glad we got it. I am amazed by the
number of lights inside the refrigerator, when you open the doors, it is
lit up like Las Vegas, in there, they use those small lights instead of
incandescent light bulbs. A foot controlled door opener would be nice.

Becca

I can attest to the back surgery conundrum. I had lumbar fusion surgery (3, 4, 5 and S1) about three years ago, and
arthritis plus scar tissue has created severe chronic pain and further degeneration. There is no plus
in my case, and seniors who abuse narcotics like hydrocodone have made it extremely difficult, if not
Impossible, to get effective painkillers prescribed by over-conscientious scaredy-cat physicians.
They should be scared. Most mornings when I wake up, the tenor of my day is, I hate my life.

N.

On 9/28/2014 6:52 PM, Nancy2 wrote:
>
> I can attest to the back surgery conundrum. I had lumbar fusion surgery (3, 4, 5 and S1) about three years ago, and
> arthritis plus scar tissue has created severe chronic pain and further degeneration. There is no plus
> in my case, and seniors who abuse narcotics like hydrocodone have made it extremely difficult, if not
> Impossible, to get effective painkillers prescribed by over-conscientious scaredy-cat physicians.
> They should be scared. Most mornings when I wake up, the tenor of my day is, I hate my life.
>
> N.
>
I'm sorry to hear that Nancy. My surgeon has no problem prescribing
opiate pain killers for me. I just have had to go see him every 3 months
in order to keep taking them. I have never used more than prescribed
mostly because I'm afraid of the acetaminophen. I'm in the same boat
with the degeneration. I asked him, sort of kiddingly, sort of
seriously, what, is my back just disintegrating? His answer was totally
serious, "Not just yet".

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Cheryl

On 9/28/2014 3:39 PM, Becca EmaNymton wrote:
> On 9/28/2014 2:16 PM, Kalmia wrote:
>> Wow - that is some Leviathan of a fridge.
>>
>> If my fridge died tonight, I honestly don't know whether to get
>> another side by side, or one of these Frenchies. I also have always
>> thought a freezer-on-bottom- was the way to go. Pros and cons for
>> each, I realize.


>
> Our old refrigerator was a side by side and I had the same problems with
> the freezer that you mentioned.
>
> George wanted a French door refrigerator and as it turns out, this one
> is much nicer than I expected, I am glad we got it. I am amazed by the
> number of lights inside the refrigerator, when you open the doors, it is
> lit up like Las Vegas, in there, they use those small lights instead of
> incandescent light bulbs. A foot controlled door opener would be nice.
>
> Becca
>
>

We have a side by side and I like it better than a top freezer, but our
next will be a French door. Years ago, the bottom freezer models were
just a big bin, but today they are well organized and accessible.

On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 22:02:08 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> Years ago, the bottom freezer models were
> just a big bin, but today they are well organized and accessible.

Yes! Some are better than others, but they are all good.


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"Pico Rico" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Nancy2" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> Valid points and counterpoints made in this thread; certainly, food for
>> thought.
>> I don't know about freezers full of meat being a psychological issue, but
>> it certainly isn't very
>> smart if one lives where power outages may occur. Which is just about
>> everywhere.
>>
>> N.
>
> I think somewhere in Austin, Texas is the only place I have ever heard of
> that does not have power failures. But, I think the source of this
> information is, in and of itself, a failure.

I don't know if they do or not. I had a friend there but he passed away
last year. I don't recall him ever mentioning a power failure and we did
discuss them as we had rolling blackouts when I lived in CA.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> We have a side by side and I like it better than a top freezer, but our
> next will be a French door. Years ago, the bottom freezer models were
> just a big bin, but today they are well organized and accessible.

I realize that not all side by sides are the same. My one SIL had one that
appeared to be huge! But mine is so narrow in the freezer and the fridge
sections that I can't put most pizza in there. If I buy a frozen one, it
has to be very small or if large, I have to bake it right away because it
won't fit! If I order a large or an extra large, the box won't fit. I have
to take the slices out and put them on a plate or in other containers. And
forget making a big platter of something. It won't fit!

I used to make big platters of assorted veggies and olives to take to
potlucks. I could put two such platters in my fridge with the top freezer
and there was still plenty of room for other foods.

Another problem that I think is common to all of the newer fridges is that
they are very deep. Sometimes things get shoved to the back and if they are
small, we can't find them. Like the tub of soft margarine. I knew I had
just bought it but daughter and I couldn't find it anywhere. I had to go
buy another. Not only had it gotten shoved to the back and under a package
of dry salami but it looked nearly identical to *my* margarine so we may
well have seen it but not realized what it was.

Cheryl, why are you afraid of acetaminophen? That was going to be my next suggestion to my
doctor, combined with the gabapentin and hydrocodone I take now. Please email me, if you can;
I don't seem to be able to email from here.

N.

On 9/29/14, 6:01 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> Another problem that I think is common to all of the newer fridges is
> that they are very deep. Sometimes things get shoved to the back and if
> they are small, we can't find them. Like the tub of soft margarine. I
> knew I had just bought it but daughter and I couldn't find it anywhere.
> I had to go buy another. Not only had it gotten shoved to the back and
> under a package of dry salami but it looked nearly identical to *my*
> margarine so we may well have seen it but not realized what it was.

For just that reason, many newer models have pull-out shelves.

If yours doesn't, another solution is to buy shallow trays -- something
like 12-16" x 8-9", 1.5-2" deep, and use them to hold your smaller items.

-- Larry

On 2014-09-29 9:10 AM, wrote:

>> Cheryl, why are you afraid of acetaminophen? That was going to be my next suggestion to my
>> doctor, combined with the gabapentin and hydrocodone I take now. Please email me, if you can;
>> I don't seem to be able to email from here.
>>
>> N.
>
> I've always understood it is heavy on the liver and my doc said take
> when necessary but don't use constantly. I do find it efficient
> though
>

There was a public awareness campaign a few years ago to warn people
about overdoing Tylenol. It seems that taking more than the recommended
dose is not as harmless as some people think an OTC painkiller should be.

When I broke my rib(s) about 5 years ago the doctor at the ER prescribed
Tylenol 3 in combination with Ibuprofen, citing the problem with too
much acetaminophen. IIRC it was combination of the two at night and just
the Ibuprofen during the day.

On 2014-09-29 10:15 AM, wrote:

> There have been studies that show taking one of each together, is far
> more effective than either one on its own. When we are enduring heavy
> rainfalls and every joint in me screams, I do that and have proved to
> myself that it is so.

I was impressed with the way that the combination worked for me with the
broken rib. That being said, the rib(s) were not sore all the time.
Coughing was rough and sleeping was very difficult. The pain was
nothing compared to the collar bone I had broken a few years earlier.
After heart surgery I was on the heavy duty stuff. Thank goodness for
the pain relief. What I did not enjoy was being in a stupor half the
time, or having my bowels slow down to the point where I was constantly
bloated.




I can't take things like oxycodone, nearly kill
> me as I/they discovered after surgery when they were automatically
> given to me. My file now registers a big NO OPIATES on it
>

On 29/09/2014 8:20 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-09-29 10:15 AM, wrote:
>
>> There have been studies that show taking one of each together, is far
>> more effective than either one on its own. When we are enduring heavy
>> rainfalls and every joint in me screams, I do that and have proved to
>> myself that it is so.
>
> I was impressed with the way that the combination worked for me with the
> broken rib. That being said, the rib(s) were not sore all the time.
> Coughing was rough and sleeping was very difficult. The pain was
> nothing compared to the collar bone I had broken a few years earlier.
> After heart surgery I was on the heavy duty stuff. Thank goodness for
> the pain relief. What I did not enjoy was being in a stupor half the
> time, or having my bowels slow down to the point where I was constantly
> bloated.
>
>
>
>
> I can't take things like oxycodone, nearly kill
>> me as I/they discovered after surgery when they were automatically
>> given to me. My file now registers a big NO OPIATES on it
>>
>
I'm recovering ATM from abdominal surgery and the hospital gave me some
Percocet (oxycodone) tablets to take home. Pain can affect healing and I
was a bit sore so I took one. The result was *severe* "heartburn" so I
didn't bother after that. I also filled a prescription for Tylenol 3 and
that was a waste of money. I am fortunate in that I seem to tolerate or
not suffer the pain that others experience. The same thing happened
after back and prostate cancer surgeries.
Graham

On 9/29/2014 9:10 AM, wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 05:42:01 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> Cheryl, why are you afraid of acetaminophen? That was going to be my next suggestion to my
>> doctor, combined with the gabapentin and hydrocodone I take now. Please email me, if you can;
>> I don't seem to be able to email from here.

> I've always understood it is heavy on the liver and my doc said take
> when necessary but don't use constantly. I do find it efficient
> though
>
>
> http://www.drugs.com/acetaminophen.html
>
It's overuse accounts for most of the people on the liver
transplant waiting list. If you have some issue, I imagine
you'd need to stay away from it.

nancy

"Nancy2" > wrote in message
...
>
> I can attest to the back surgery conundrum. I had lumbar fusion surgery
> (3, 4, 5 and S1) about three years ago, and
> arthritis plus scar tissue has created severe chronic pain and further
> degeneration. There is no plus
> in my case, and seniors who abuse narcotics like hydrocodone have made it
> extremely difficult, if not
> Impossible, to get effective painkillers prescribed by over-conscientious
> scaredy-cat physicians.
> They should be scared. Most mornings when I wake up, the tenor of my day
> is, I hate my life.

I am so sorry to hear that


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"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 9/28/2014 3:39 PM, Becca EmaNymton wrote:
>> On 9/28/2014 2:16 PM, Kalmia wrote:
>>> Wow - that is some Leviathan of a fridge.
>>>
>>> If my fridge died tonight, I honestly don't know whether to get
>>> another side by side, or one of these Frenchies. I also have always
>>> thought a freezer-on-bottom- was the way to go. Pros and cons for
>>> each, I realize.
>
>
>>
>> Our old refrigerator was a side by side and I had the same problems with
>> the freezer that you mentioned.
>>
>> George wanted a French door refrigerator and as it turns out, this one
>> is much nicer than I expected, I am glad we got it. I am amazed by the
>> number of lights inside the refrigerator, when you open the doors, it is
>> lit up like Las Vegas, in there, they use those small lights instead of
>> incandescent light bulbs. A foot controlled door opener would be nice.
>>
>> Becca
>>
>>
>
> We have a side by side and I like it better than a top freezer, but our
> next will be a French door. Years ago, the bottom freezer models were
> just a big bin, but today they are well organized and accessible.

I guess my chest freezer is just like a big bin, but I put layers of plastic
baskets in there to separate stuff.

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On 29/09/2014 9:26 AM, wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 08:56:57 -0600, graham > wrote:
>
>> On 29/09/2014 8:20 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2014-09-29 10:15 AM, wrote:
>>>
>>>> There have been studies that show taking one of each together, is far
>>>> more effective than either one on its own. When we are enduring heavy
>>>> rainfalls and every joint in me screams, I do that and have proved to
>>>> myself that it is so.
>>>
>>> I was impressed with the way that the combination worked for me with the
>>> broken rib. That being said, the rib(s) were not sore all the time.
>>> Coughing was rough and sleeping was very difficult. The pain was
>>> nothing compared to the collar bone I had broken a few years earlier.
>>> After heart surgery I was on the heavy duty stuff. Thank goodness for
>>> the pain relief. What I did not enjoy was being in a stupor half the
>>> time, or having my bowels slow down to the point where I was constantly
>>> bloated.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I can't take things like oxycodone, nearly kill
>>>> me as I/they discovered after surgery when they were automatically
>>>> given to me. My file now registers a big NO OPIATES on it
>>>>
>>>
>> I'm recovering ATM from abdominal surgery and the hospital gave me some
>> Percocet (oxycodone) tablets to take home. Pain can affect healing and I
>> was a bit sore so I took one. The result was *severe* "heartburn" so I
>> didn't bother after that. I also filled a prescription for Tylenol 3 and
>> that was a waste of money. I am fortunate in that I seem to tolerate or
>> not suffer the pain that others experience. The same thing happened
>> after back and prostate cancer surgeries.
>> Graham
>
> I can't handle Tylenol 3 either. The doc who is handling my
> migraine/vertigo attacks gave me a med to take and I felt like a
> zombie. I have now established they can help me if instead of taking
> one per day I take half a tab every other day. He has suggested to me
> I should be very careful what I take because clearly much less does
> more for me. That said though, I am Scottish and consequently very
> stoic lol We are known to be good at that.
>
> Feel better soon.
>
Thanks! I can handle Tylenol 3's codeine. I just don't like the side
effects such as the anti-pyretic effect and the constipation.
Graham

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Pico Rico" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Nancy2" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> Valid points and counterpoints made in this thread; certainly, food for
>>> thought.
>>> I don't know about freezers full of meat being a psychological issue,
>>> but it certainly isn't very
>>> smart if one lives where power outages may occur. Which is just about
>>> everywhere.
>>>
>>> N.
>>
>> I think somewhere in Austin, Texas is the only place I have ever heard of
>> that does not have power failures. But, I think the source of this
>> information is, in and of itself, a failure.
>
> I don't know if they do or not. I had a friend there but he passed away
> last year. I don't recall him ever mentioning a power failure and we did
> discuss them as we had rolling blackouts when I lived in CA.

Provided the freezer is full and you don't open it, the food will stay
frozen for a very long time even with no power.



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I thank you, Dave and Lu...I will ask my doctor about a combination next time in...I had no idea one
could take both at the same time. I thought you had to choose one or the other. I know ibuprofen
is hard on the kidneys (personal experience) but it has always worked better for me than acetaminophen.
Except the acetaminophen with codeine, together with hydrocodone, is almost a perfect combo for me.

Anyway, thanks again for an idea what to ask next time. There has to be something better than just
giving up. ;-))

N.

"pltrgyst" > wrote in message
...
> On 9/29/14, 6:01 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> Another problem that I think is common to all of the newer fridges is
>> that they are very deep. Sometimes things get shoved to the back and if
>> they are small, we can't find them. Like the tub of soft margarine. I
>> knew I had just bought it but daughter and I couldn't find it anywhere.
>> I had to go buy another. Not only had it gotten shoved to the back and
>> under a package of dry salami but it looked nearly identical to *my*
>> margarine so we may well have seen it but not realized what it was.
>
> For just that reason, many newer models have pull-out shelves.
>
> If yours doesn't, another solution is to buy shallow trays -- something
> like 12-16" x 8-9", 1.5-2" deep, and use them to hold your smaller items.

Yes, In a similar way I use plastic baskets in my fridge and my big
freezer. It is so much easier to haul them out than it is to search full
shelves.

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"graham" > wrote in message
...
> On 29/09/2014 8:20 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2014-09-29 10:15 AM, wrote:
>>
>>> There have been studies that show taking one of each together, is far
>>> more effective than either one on its own. When we are enduring heavy
>>> rainfalls and every joint in me screams, I do that and have proved to
>>> myself that it is so.
>>
>> I was impressed with the way that the combination worked for me with the
>> broken rib. That being said, the rib(s) were not sore all the time.
>> Coughing was rough and sleeping was very difficult. The pain was
>> nothing compared to the collar bone I had broken a few years earlier.
>> After heart surgery I was on the heavy duty stuff. Thank goodness for
>> the pain relief. What I did not enjoy was being in a stupor half the
>> time, or having my bowels slow down to the point where I was constantly
>> bloated.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I can't take things like oxycodone, nearly kill
>>> me as I/they discovered after surgery when they were automatically
>>> given to me. My file now registers a big NO OPIATES on it
>>>
>>
> I'm recovering ATM from abdominal surgery and the hospital gave me some
> Percocet (oxycodone) tablets to take home. Pain can affect healing and I
> was a bit sore so I took one. The result was *severe* "heartburn" so I
> didn't bother after that. I also filled a prescription for Tylenol 3 and
> that was a waste of money. I am fortunate in that I seem to tolerate or
> not suffer the pain that others experience. The same thing happened after
> back and prostate cancer surgeries.

My goodness You have been through the mill

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On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 09:02:37 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
> wrote:

>
>I thank you, Dave and Lu...I will ask my doctor about a combination next time in...I had no idea one
>could take both at the same time. I thought you had to choose one or the other. I know ibuprofen
>is hard on the kidneys (personal experience) but it has always worked better for me than acetaminophen.
>Except the acetaminophen with codeine, together with hydrocodone, is almost a perfect combo for me.
>
>Anyway, thanks again for an idea what to ask next time. There has to be something better than just
>giving up. ;-))
>
>N.

Unless one has some reason to avoid either or both products, it is
relatively safe with limited and moderate use.

Even pediatricians often prescribe the two meds - each taken at 4 hr
intervals, but at opposite 2 hours marks to bring down kiddie fevers
or combat their pain.

Boron

On 2014-09-29 11:26 AM, wrote:

> I can't handle Tylenol 3 either. The doc who is handling my
> migraine/vertigo attacks gave me a med to take and I felt like a
> zombie. I have now established they can help me if instead of taking
> one per day I take half a tab every other day. He has suggested to me
> I should be very careful what I take because clearly much less does
> more for me. That said though, I am Scottish and consequently very
> stoic lol We are known to be good at that.
>

When I went into ER last summer for stomach flu which turned out to be a
gall bladder attack they gave me demerol at first. It worked great and
by late afternoon I thought I was cured and ready to go back home.
Shortly after that the pain came back just before the nurse came with
more pain meds. After the surgery they gave me Toradol, which
apparently has some side effects and should not be used for extended
periods. At the time it seemed effective and to have no side effects,
other than crazy neon bright technodreams.

On 29/09/2014 10:05 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "graham" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 29/09/2014 8:20 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2014-09-29 10:15 AM, wrote:
>>>
>>>> There have been studies that show taking one of each together, is far
>>>> more effective than either one on its own. When we are enduring heavy
>>>> rainfalls and every joint in me screams, I do that and have proved to
>>>> myself that it is so.
>>>
>>> I was impressed with the way that the combination worked for me with the
>>> broken rib. That being said, the rib(s) were not sore all the time.
>>> Coughing was rough and sleeping was very difficult. The pain was
>>> nothing compared to the collar bone I had broken a few years earlier.
>>> After heart surgery I was on the heavy duty stuff. Thank goodness for
>>> the pain relief. What I did not enjoy was being in a stupor half the
>>> time, or having my bowels slow down to the point where I was constantly
>>> bloated.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I can't take things like oxycodone, nearly kill
>>>> me as I/they discovered after surgery when they were automatically
>>>> given to me. My file now registers a big NO OPIATES on it
>>>>
>>>
>> I'm recovering ATM from abdominal surgery and the hospital gave me
>> some Percocet (oxycodone) tablets to take home. Pain can affect
>> healing and I was a bit sore so I took one. The result was *severe*
>> "heartburn" so I didn't bother after that. I also filled a
>> prescription for Tylenol 3 and that was a waste of money. I am
>> fortunate in that I seem to tolerate or not suffer the pain that
>> others experience. The same thing happened after back and prostate
>> cancer surgeries.
>
> My goodness You have been through the mill
>
Yep! Herniated disc for the first, the result of what was once a 6'4"
frame and the other, well ....... I didn't want the latest but the Dr
said that risks increase as I get older. It's a pity because, apart from
the disastrous snow fall we had a couple of weeks ago, glorious Indian
Summer weather has been ideal for cycling. Having the op now means that
I'll be able to enjoy next season.
Graham