On 9/28/2014 5:52 PM, Nancy2 wrote:
>
> I can attest to the back surgery conundrum. I had lumbar fusion surgery (3, 4, 5 and S1) about three years ago, and
> arthritis plus scar tissue has created severe chronic pain and further degeneration. There is no plus
> in my case, and seniors who abuse narcotics like hydrocodone have made it extremely difficult, if not
> Impossible, to get effective painkillers prescribed by over-conscientious scaredy-cat physicians.
> They should be scared. Most mornings when I wake up, the tenor of my day is, I hate my life.
>
> N.

Nancy, I am so sorry to hear that, I wish your pain would just go away.
Here is to hoping you have better days ahead.

Becca

On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 14:05:33 -0300, wrote:

>On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 12:20:42 -0400, Boron Elgar
> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 09:02:37 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>I thank you, Dave and Lu...I will ask my doctor about a combination next time in...I had no idea one
>>>could take both at the same time. I thought you had to choose one or the other. I know ibuprofen
>>>is hard on the kidneys (personal experience) but it has always worked better for me than acetaminophen.
>>>Except the acetaminophen with codeine, together with hydrocodone, is almost a perfect combo for me.
>>>
>>>Anyway, thanks again for an idea what to ask next time. There has to be something better than just
>>>giving up. ;-))
>>>
>>>N.
>>
>>Unless one has some reason to avoid either or both products, it is
>>relatively safe with limited and moderate use.
>>
>>Even pediatricians often prescribe the two meds - each taken at 4 hr
>>intervals, but at opposite 2 hours marks to bring down kiddie fevers
>>or combat their pain.
>>
>>Boron
>
>Actually in the study I saw it said (for adults) take both together,
>not separately.

Yeah, one study was sponsored by the makers of a combo frug of the
two.

http://updates.pain-topics.org/2010/...combo-for.html

Nevertheless, I stick with what the MDs in my family
advise....alternating dosages.

Boron

"graham" > wrote in message
...
> On 29/09/2014 10:05 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "graham" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 29/09/2014 8:20 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2014-09-29 10:15 AM, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> There have been studies that show taking one of each together, is
>>>>> far
>>>>> more effective than either one on its own. When we are enduring heavy
>>>>> rainfalls and every joint in me screams, I do that and have proved to
>>>>> myself that it is so.
>>>>
>>>> I was impressed with the way that the combination worked for me with
>>>> the
>>>> broken rib. That being said, the rib(s) were not sore all the time.
>>>> Coughing was rough and sleeping was very difficult. The pain was
>>>> nothing compared to the collar bone I had broken a few years earlier.
>>>> After heart surgery I was on the heavy duty stuff. Thank goodness for
>>>> the pain relief. What I did not enjoy was being in a stupor half the
>>>> time, or having my bowels slow down to the point where I was constantly
>>>> bloated.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I can't take things like oxycodone, nearly kill
>>>>> me as I/they discovered after surgery when they were automatically
>>>>> given to me. My file now registers a big NO OPIATES on it
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> I'm recovering ATM from abdominal surgery and the hospital gave me
>>> some Percocet (oxycodone) tablets to take home. Pain can affect
>>> healing and I was a bit sore so I took one. The result was *severe*
>>> "heartburn" so I didn't bother after that. I also filled a
>>> prescription for Tylenol 3 and that was a waste of money. I am
>>> fortunate in that I seem to tolerate or not suffer the pain that
>>> others experience. The same thing happened after back and prostate
>>> cancer surgeries.
>>
>> My goodness You have been through the mill
>>
> Yep! Herniated disc for the first, the result of what was once a 6'4"
> frame and the other, well ....... I didn't want the latest but the Dr
> said that risks increase as I get older. It's a pity because, apart from
> the disastrous snow fall we had a couple of weeks ago, glorious Indian
> Summer weather has been ideal for cycling. Having the op now means that
> I'll be able to enjoy next season.

Excellent)

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On Monday, September 22, 2014 10:48:12 AM UTC-5, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 00:09:47 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > All Sony has is the Playstation.
>
>
>
> It's probably because Sony was so proprietary. I hated that when I
>
> had a Sony camera. Apple is still getting away with it, probably
>
> because of their Apple aura - but it's a dumb marketing strategy.
>
> Between Playstation and Xbox, Xbox is winning that war - but Sony is
>
> still in the top 100 of Fortune 500 companies, so it's doing fine.
>
> http://www.ehow.com/facts_5031695_so...ation-own.html
>
The SRF-59 Walkman is *the* pocket radio. Matched with decent headphones
(the ones it comes with are cheesy), it is the best radio at damned near
any price.
>
--Bryan

On 9/30/2014 10:43 PM, Cheryl wrote:

> I hope I quoted correctly. Things went well and now I'm recovering.
> Very sore but I've done more today without overdoing it. My mom is
> trying to keep me from spending all of my time in bed but the drugs
> are keeping me sleepy.

I'm really glad to hear it went well and I hope you get plenty
of rest and you're feeling better soon.

nancy

On 30/09/2014 9:30 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> graham > Wrote in message:
>> On 29/09/2014 8:20 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2014-09-29 10:15 AM, wrote:
>>>
>>>> There have been studies that show taking one of each together, is far
>>>> more effective than either one on its own. When we are enduring heavy
>>>> rainfalls and every joint in me screams, I do that and have proved to
>>>> myself that it is so.
>>>
>>> I was impressed with the way that the combination worked for me with the
>>> broken rib. That being said, the rib(s) were not sore all the time.
>>> Coughing was rough and sleeping was very difficult. The pain was
>>> nothing compared to the collar bone I had broken a few years earlier.
>>> After heart surgery I was on the heavy duty stuff. Thank goodness for
>>> the pain relief. What I did not enjoy was being in a stupor half the
>>> time, or having my bowels slow down to the point where I was constantly
>>> bloated.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I can't take things like oxycodone, nearly kill
>>>> me as I/they discovered after surgery when they were automatically
>>>> given to me. My file now registers a big NO OPIATES on it
>>>>
>>>
>> I'm recovering ATM from abdominal surgery and the hospital gave me some
>> Percocet (oxycodone) tablets to take home. Pain can affect healing and I
>> was a bit sore so I took one. The result was *severe* "heartburn" so I
>> didn't bother after that. I also filled a prescription for Tylenol 3 and
>> that was a waste of money. I am fortunate in that I seem to tolerate or
>> not suffer the pain that others experience. The same thing happened
>> after back and prostate cancer surgeries.
>> Graham
>>
>
> last night as I kept waking up they kept giving me pain meds to stay ahead of the pain and I was sent home with Percocet and valium for the muscle spasms
>
Immediately after spinal fusion surgery (I have 2 screws as well) they
kept jabbing me with morphine in addition to something in the drip. I
hated it.
I hope your pain subsides soon!!
Graham

On 9/30/2014 11:24 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> Nancy Young > Wrote

>> I'm really glad to hear it went well and I hope you get plenty
>> of rest and you're feeling better soon.

> Thanks Nancy. I'm so surprised at how long the screws were that
> he removed from the fusion. At least 2in long! I got to keep
> them as a souvenir. Lol

Yikes! Those are long screws to take out of anything, never
mind yourself. (laugh)

nancy

Thank you Becca and Ophelia. I must have been indulging in a pity party when I wrote that.
It is really tough to hear that it will get worse. I have been to one
specialty clinic since my fusion surgery, and am thinking maybe I should try once more just in
case there is a more hopeful solution, or any solution, out there.

N.

On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:43:36 -0400 (EDT), Cheryl
> wrote:

>Cheryl > Wrote in message:
>> On 9/27/2014 9:48 AM
>>
>> Thank you Jill, and everyone. I really appreciate the well wishes and
>> wish I could reply to you all individually, but I can't right now. Just
>> know it is much appreciated and I thank you from my heart.
>>
>> --
>> ?.¸¸.?*¨`*?
>> Cheryl
>>
>
>
>I hope I quoted correctly. Things went well and now I'm recovering. Very sore but I've done more today without overdoing it. My mom is trying to keep me from spending all of my time in bed but the drugs are keeping me sleepy.

I'm glad it went well. Hope you are better soon
Janet US

On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 15:52:39 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
> wrote:

> I can attest to the back surgery conundrum. I had lumbar fusion surgery (3, 4, 5 and S1) about three years ago, and
> arthritis plus scar tissue has created severe chronic pain and further degeneration. There is no plus
> in my case, and seniors who abuse narcotics like hydrocodone have made it extremely difficult, if not
> Impossible, to get effective painkillers prescribed by over-conscientious scaredy-cat physicians.
> They should be scared. Most mornings when I wake up, the tenor of my day is, I hate my life.

That's because those drugs don't work in the long run. It works for a
while, then your body gets used to the dose, so the Dr. gives you a
stronger one. Pretty soon you're dependent and then you're an addict
in a permanent fog. Pain control is a lose lose situation. My son in
law has had a lifetime of pain control since age 12. He was
prescribed narcotics in recent years, then a synthetic to get off the
narcotic. The synthetic turned out to be the worse of the two, so he
decided to detox (not easy). He sees a shrink, an MD who will help
him with pain management, but won't prescribe narcotics, a physical
therapist, goes to the gym, does acupuncture - there's probably more
I'm not remembering. I know he was considering Qi (pronounced: chi)
Gong at one point, but I don't think he's doing it. What used to be
an 8 or 9 on the pain scale is now a 2-4, totally manageable and he's
his old self. I almost jumped for joy the last time he was over
because the first thing he did was go to the refrigerator looking for
something to eat. His appetite is back big time and that's a good
thing, IMO.


--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

On 9/30/2014 10:24 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> Nancy Young > Wrote in message:
>> On 9/30/2014 10:43 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>>
>>> I hope I quoted correctly. Things went well and now I'm
>>> recovering. Very sore but I've done more today without overdoing
>>> it. My mom is trying to keep me from spending all of my time in
>>> bed but the drugs are keeping me sleepy.
>>
>> I'm really glad to hear it went well and I hope you get plenty of
>> rest and you're feeling better soon.
>>
>> nancy
>>
>>
>
> Thanks Nancy. I'm so surprised at how long the screws were that he
> removed from the fusion. At least 2in long! I got to keep them as a
> souvenir. Lol

Screws that are at least 2" long? Wow, that makes an interesting
souvenir. Rest and do what the doctor (and your mother) tells you. How
long will you be off work?

Becca

On 9/30/2014 11:11 PM, graham wrote:
> On 30/09/2014 9:30 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>> graham > Wrote in message:
>>> On 29/09/2014 8:20 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2014-09-29 10:15 AM, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> There have been studies that show taking one of each together,
>>>>> is far
>>>>> more effective than either one on its own. When we are enduring heavy
>>>>> rainfalls and every joint in me screams, I do that and have proved to
>>>>> myself that it is so.
>>>>
>>>> I was impressed with the way that the combination worked for me with
>>>> the
>>>> broken rib. That being said, the rib(s) were not sore all the time.
>>>> Coughing was rough and sleeping was very difficult. The pain was
>>>> nothing compared to the collar bone I had broken a few years earlier.
>>>> After heart surgery I was on the heavy duty stuff. Thank goodness for
>>>> the pain relief. What I did not enjoy was being in a stupor half the
>>>> time, or having my bowels slow down to the point where I was constantly
>>>> bloated.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I can't take things like oxycodone, nearly kill
>>>>> me as I/they discovered after surgery when they were automatically
>>>>> given to me. My file now registers a big NO OPIATES on it
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> I'm recovering ATM from abdominal surgery and the hospital gave me some
>>> Percocet (oxycodone) tablets to take home. Pain can affect healing and I
>>> was a bit sore so I took one. The result was *severe* "heartburn" so I
>>> didn't bother after that. I also filled a prescription for Tylenol 3 and
>>> that was a waste of money. I am fortunate in that I seem to tolerate or
>>> not suffer the pain that others experience. The same thing happened
>>> after back and prostate cancer surgeries.
>>> Graham
>>>
>>
>> last night as I kept waking up they kept giving me pain meds to stay
>> ahead of the pain and I was sent home with Percocet and valium for the
>> muscle spasms
>>
> Immediately after spinal fusion surgery (I have 2 screws as well) they
> kept jabbing me with morphine in addition to something in the drip. I
> hated it.
> I hope your pain subsides soon!!
> Graham

Graham, I hope your spinal fusion was successful.

Becca

On 10/1/2014 9:17 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
>
> Thank you Becca and Ophelia. I must have been indulging in a pity party when I wrote that.
> It is really tough to hear that it will get worse. I have been to one
> specialty clinic since my fusion surgery, and am thinking maybe I should try once more just in
> case there is a more hopeful solution, or any solution, out there.
>
> N.

Never give up on yourself, no matter how bad it gets, no matter how
depressed you feel. You are worth getting well. Hopefully, someone,
somewhere can help you.

Becca

On 10/1/2014 9:57 AM, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 15:52:39 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
> > wrote:
>
>> I can attest to the back surgery conundrum. I had lumbar fusion surgery (3, 4, 5 and S1) about three years ago, and
>> arthritis plus scar tissue has created severe chronic pain and further degeneration. There is no plus
>> in my case, and seniors who abuse narcotics like hydrocodone have made it extremely difficult, if not
>> Impossible, to get effective painkillers prescribed by over-conscientious scaredy-cat physicians.
>> They should be scared. Most mornings when I wake up, the tenor of my day is, I hate my life.
>
> That's because those drugs don't work in the long run. It works for a
> while, then your body gets used to the dose, so the Dr. gives you a
> stronger one. Pretty soon you're dependent and then you're an addict
> in a permanent fog. Pain control is a lose lose situation. My son in
> law has had a lifetime of pain control since age 12. He was
> prescribed narcotics in recent years, then a synthetic to get off the
> narcotic. The synthetic turned out to be the worse of the two, so he
> decided to detox (not easy). He sees a shrink, an MD who will help
> him with pain management, but won't prescribe narcotics, a physical
> therapist, goes to the gym, does acupuncture - there's probably more
> I'm not remembering. I know he was considering Qi (pronounced: chi)
> Gong at one point, but I don't think he's doing it. What used to be
> an 8 or 9 on the pain scale is now a 2-4, totally manageable and he's
> his old self. I almost jumped for joy the last time he was over
> because the first thing he did was go to the refrigerator looking for
> something to eat. His appetite is back big time and that's a good
> thing, IMO.

That is wonderful news for your SIL, I am happy to hear that he is
getting back to his old self. He has really been through it.

Becca

> On 9/30/2014 10:24 PM, Cheryl wrote:

I hope I quoted correctly. Things went well and now I'm
recovering. Very sore but I've done more today without overdoing
it. My mom is trying to keep me from spending all of my time in
bed but the drugs are keeping me sleepy.

=========

That's very good news Cheryl, I hope the recovery goes well and take it easy
along the way.

Cheri

On 9/29/2014 6:01 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> Another problem that I think is common to all of the newer fridges is
> that they are very deep. Sometimes things get shoved to the back and if
> they are small, we can't find them. Like the tub of soft margarine. I
> knew I had just bought it but daughter and I couldn't find it anywhere.
> I had to go buy another. Not only had it gotten shoved to the back and
> under a package of dry salami but it looked nearly identical to *my*
> margarine so we may well have seen it but not realized what it was.

I think most newer fridge/freezers have shelves that pull out, so the
only place things might get lost is on the lowest shelf. But since mine
has all clear shelves and drawers, you can see all the way to the back.
All of the lights within help with that, too.

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Cheryl

On 9/29/2014 12:03 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
> Yes, In a similar way I use plastic baskets in my fridge and my big
> freezer. It is so much easier to haul them out than it is to search
> full shelves.

Agree, I put wire baskets in my freezer, too.

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Cheryl

On 01/10/2014 10:08 AM, Becca EmaNymton wrote:
> On 9/30/2014 11:11 PM, graham wrote:
>> On 30/09/2014 9:30 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>>> graham > Wrote in message:
>>>> On 29/09/2014 8:20 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>> On 2014-09-29 10:15 AM, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> There have been studies that show taking one of each together,
>>>>>> is far
>>>>>> more effective than either one on its own. When we are enduring
>>>>>> heavy
>>>>>> rainfalls and every joint in me screams, I do that and have proved to
>>>>>> myself that it is so.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was impressed with the way that the combination worked for me with
>>>>> the
>>>>> broken rib. That being said, the rib(s) were not sore all the time.
>>>>> Coughing was rough and sleeping was very difficult. The pain was
>>>>> nothing compared to the collar bone I had broken a few years earlier.
>>>>> After heart surgery I was on the heavy duty stuff. Thank goodness for
>>>>> the pain relief. What I did not enjoy was being in a stupor half the
>>>>> time, or having my bowels slow down to the point where I was
>>>>> constantly
>>>>> bloated.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't take things like oxycodone, nearly kill
>>>>>> me as I/they discovered after surgery when they were automatically
>>>>>> given to me. My file now registers a big NO OPIATES on it
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I'm recovering ATM from abdominal surgery and the hospital gave me some
>>>> Percocet (oxycodone) tablets to take home. Pain can affect healing
>>>> and I
>>>> was a bit sore so I took one. The result was *severe* "heartburn" so I
>>>> didn't bother after that. I also filled a prescription for Tylenol 3
>>>> and
>>>> that was a waste of money. I am fortunate in that I seem to tolerate or
>>>> not suffer the pain that others experience. The same thing happened
>>>> after back and prostate cancer surgeries.
>>>> Graham
>>>>
>>>
>>> last night as I kept waking up they kept giving me pain meds to stay
>>> ahead of the pain and I was sent home with Percocet and valium for the
>>> muscle spasms
>>>
>> Immediately after spinal fusion surgery (I have 2 screws as well) they
>> kept jabbing me with morphine in addition to something in the drip. I
>> hated it.
>> I hope your pain subsides soon!!
>> Graham
>
> Graham, I hope your spinal fusion was successful.
>
> Becca
Thanks! It was many years ago. Not something I'd like to repeat even if
surgical techniques and anaesthetics have improved. If my back starts
aching, and this is thankfully rare these days, a very hot bath usually
helps.
Graham

On 10/1/2014 12:07 PM, Becca EmaNymton wrote:
> On 9/30/2014 10:24 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>> Nancy Young > Wrote in message:
>>> On 9/30/2014 10:43 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>>>
>>>> I hope I quoted correctly. Things went well and now I'm
>>>> recovering. Very sore but I've done more today without overdoing
>>>> it. My mom is trying to keep me from spending all of my time in
>>>> bed but the drugs are keeping me sleepy.
>>>
>>> I'm really glad to hear it went well and I hope you get plenty of
>>> rest and you're feeling better soon.
>>>
>>> nancy
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Thanks Nancy. I'm so surprised at how long the screws were that he
>> removed from the fusion. At least 2in long! I got to keep them as a
>> souvenir. Lol
>
> Screws that are at least 2" long? Wow, that makes an interesting
> souvenir. Rest and do what the doctor (and your mother) tells you. How
> long will you be off work?
>
> Becca
>
>
Just through this week, and return to work (at home) on Monday. I could
probably sooner, but I'm on a lot of painkillers so I wouldn't dream of
touching any systems in production in my state.

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Cheryl

On 10/1/2014 12:01 PM, graham wrote:
> On 01/10/2014 10:08 AM, Becca EmaNymton wrote:
>> On 9/30/2014 11:11 PM, graham wrote:
>>> On 30/09/2014 9:30 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>>>> graham > Wrote in message:
>>>>> On 29/09/2014 8:20 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>> On 2014-09-29 10:15 AM, wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There have been studies that show taking one of each together,
>>>>>>> is far
>>>>>>> more effective than either one on its own. When we are enduring
>>>>>>> heavy
>>>>>>> rainfalls and every joint in me screams, I do that and have
>>>>>>> proved to
>>>>>>> myself that it is so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was impressed with the way that the combination worked for me with
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> broken rib. That being said, the rib(s) were not sore all the time.
>>>>>> Coughing was rough and sleeping was very difficult. The pain was
>>>>>> nothing compared to the collar bone I had broken a few years earlier.
>>>>>> After heart surgery I was on the heavy duty stuff. Thank goodness
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> the pain relief. What I did not enjoy was being in a stupor half the
>>>>>> time, or having my bowels slow down to the point where I was
>>>>>> constantly
>>>>>> bloated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't take things like oxycodone, nearly kill
>>>>>>> me as I/they discovered after surgery when they were automatically
>>>>>>> given to me. My file now registers a big NO OPIATES on it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I'm recovering ATM from abdominal surgery and the hospital gave me
>>>>> some
>>>>> Percocet (oxycodone) tablets to take home. Pain can affect healing
>>>>> and I
>>>>> was a bit sore so I took one. The result was *severe* "heartburn" so I
>>>>> didn't bother after that. I also filled a prescription for Tylenol 3
>>>>> and
>>>>> that was a waste of money. I am fortunate in that I seem to
>>>>> tolerate or
>>>>> not suffer the pain that others experience. The same thing happened
>>>>> after back and prostate cancer surgeries.
>>>>> Graham
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> last night as I kept waking up they kept giving me pain meds to stay
>>>> ahead of the pain and I was sent home with Percocet and valium for the
>>>> muscle spasms
>>>>
>>> Immediately after spinal fusion surgery (I have 2 screws as well) they
>>> kept jabbing me with morphine in addition to something in the drip. I
>>> hated it.
>>> I hope your pain subsides soon!!
>>> Graham
>>
>> Graham, I hope your spinal fusion was successful.
>>
>> Becca
> Thanks! It was many years ago. Not something I'd like to repeat even if
> surgical techniques and anaesthetics have improved. If my back starts
> aching, and this is thankfully rare these days, a very hot bath usually
> helps.
> Graham

Nobody wants to have surgery, especially if the same surgery has to be
repeated. Glad to hear that an aching back is rare, and you can manage
your back pain. Good news, for sure.

Becca

On 9/29/2014 8:42 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
>
> Cheryl, why are you afraid of acetaminophen? That was going to be my next suggestion to my
> doctor, combined with the gabapentin and hydrocodone I take now. Please email me, if you can;
> I don't seem to be able to email from here.
>
> N.
>

The latest studies say no more than 900mg's per day. Each percoset that
I have has 325 mg and I'm supposed to take one every 4 hours to stay
ahead of the pain. I was using gabapentin after the first surgery but it
wasn't helping so I switched to Lyrica.

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Cheryl

On 10/1/2014 12:11 AM, graham wrote:
> On 30/09/2014 9:30 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>> graham > Wrote in message:
>>> On 29/09/2014 8:20 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2014-09-29 10:15 AM, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> There have been studies that show taking one of each together,
>>>>> is far
>>>>> more effective than either one on its own. When we are enduring heavy
>>>>> rainfalls and every joint in me screams, I do that and have proved to
>>>>> myself that it is so.
>>>>
>>>> I was impressed with the way that the combination worked for me with
>>>> the
>>>> broken rib. That being said, the rib(s) were not sore all the time.
>>>> Coughing was rough and sleeping was very difficult. The pain was
>>>> nothing compared to the collar bone I had broken a few years earlier.
>>>> After heart surgery I was on the heavy duty stuff. Thank goodness for
>>>> the pain relief. What I did not enjoy was being in a stupor half the
>>>> time, or having my bowels slow down to the point where I was constantly
>>>> bloated.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I can't take things like oxycodone, nearly kill
>>>>> me as I/they discovered after surgery when they were automatically
>>>>> given to me. My file now registers a big NO OPIATES on it
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> I'm recovering ATM from abdominal surgery and the hospital gave me some
>>> Percocet (oxycodone) tablets to take home. Pain can affect healing and I
>>> was a bit sore so I took one. The result was *severe* "heartburn" so I
>>> didn't bother after that. I also filled a prescription for Tylenol 3 and
>>> that was a waste of money. I am fortunate in that I seem to tolerate or
>>> not suffer the pain that others experience. The same thing happened
>>> after back and prostate cancer surgeries.
>>> Graham
>>>
>>
>> last night as I kept waking up they kept giving me pain meds to stay
>> ahead of the pain and I was sent home with Percocet and valium for the
>> muscle spasms
>>
> Immediately after spinal fusion surgery (I have 2 screws as well) they
> kept jabbing me with morphine in addition to something in the drip. I
> hated it.
> I hope your pain subsides soon!!
> Graham

Thanks Graham.

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Cheryl

"Cheryl" > wrote in message
eb.com...

> I hope I quoted correctly. Things went well and now I'm recovering. Very
> sore but I've done more today without overdoing it. My mom is trying to
> keep me from spending all of my time in bed but the drugs are keeping me
> sleepy.

Thanks for reporting back! Just Do As You Are Told eh??? Hope you feel
better really soon

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"Nancy2" > wrote in message
...
>
> Thank you Becca and Ophelia. I must have been indulging in a pity party
> when I wrote that.

> It is really tough to hear that it will get worse. I have been to one
> specialty clinic since my fusion surgery, and am thinking maybe I should
> try once more just in
> case there is a more hopeful solution, or any solution, out there.

What you describe is really tough and I do so hope you will find the way to
make improvements. Just don't give up, OK???

*hugs*

O

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"Cheryl" > wrote in message
eb.com...
> On 10/1/2014 12:07 PM, Becca EmaNymton wrote:
>> On 9/30/2014 10:24 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>>> Nancy Young > Wrote in message:
>>>> On 9/30/2014 10:43 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I hope I quoted correctly. Things went well and now I'm
>>>>> recovering. Very sore but I've done more today without overdoing
>>>>> it. My mom is trying to keep me from spending all of my time in
>>>>> bed but the drugs are keeping me sleepy.
>>>>
>>>> I'm really glad to hear it went well and I hope you get plenty of
>>>> rest and you're feeling better soon.
>>>>
>>>> nancy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Nancy. I'm so surprised at how long the screws were that he
>>> removed from the fusion. At least 2in long! I got to keep them as a
>>> souvenir. Lol
>>
>> Screws that are at least 2" long? Wow, that makes an interesting
>> souvenir. Rest and do what the doctor (and your mother) tells you. How
>> long will you be off work?
>>
>> Becca
>>
>>
> Just through this week, and return to work (at home) on Monday. I could
> probably sooner, but I'm on a lot of painkillers so I wouldn't dream of
> touching any systems in production in my state.

Yers, it could give some 'interesting' results <g>



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On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 11:13:06 -0500, Becca EmaNymton
> wrote:

> On 10/1/2014 9:57 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 15:52:39 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> I can attest to the back surgery conundrum. I had lumbar fusion surgery (3, 4, 5 and S1) about three years ago, and
> >> arthritis plus scar tissue has created severe chronic pain and further degeneration. There is no plus
> >> in my case, and seniors who abuse narcotics like hydrocodone have made it extremely difficult, if not
> >> Impossible, to get effective painkillers prescribed by over-conscientious scaredy-cat physicians.
> >> They should be scared. Most mornings when I wake up, the tenor of my day is, I hate my life.
> >
> > That's because those drugs don't work in the long run. It works for a
> > while, then your body gets used to the dose, so the Dr. gives you a
> > stronger one. Pretty soon you're dependent and then you're an addict
> > in a permanent fog. Pain control is a lose lose situation. My son in
> > law has had a lifetime of pain control since age 12. He was
> > prescribed narcotics in recent years, then a synthetic to get off the
> > narcotic. The synthetic turned out to be the worse of the two, so he
> > decided to detox (not easy). He sees a shrink, an MD who will help
> > him with pain management, but won't prescribe narcotics, a physical
> > therapist, goes to the gym, does acupuncture - there's probably more
> > I'm not remembering. I know he was considering Qi (pronounced: chi)
> > Gong at one point, but I don't think he's doing it. What used to be
> > an 8 or 9 on the pain scale is now a 2-4, totally manageable and he's
> > his old self. I almost jumped for joy the last time he was over
> > because the first thing he did was go to the refrigerator looking for
> > something to eat. His appetite is back big time and that's a good
> > thing, IMO.
>
> That is wonderful news for your SIL, I am happy to hear that he is
> getting back to his old self. He has really been through it.
>

Thank you so much for lending your moral support (off line) when times
got tough for me - to say nothing of what he went through. You're a
good person, Becca. I hope everything works out on your end too.
There's more than enough heartache and worry to go around, even if
you're not directly involved in the situation.


--
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On 10/1/2014 12:11 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 10/1/2014 12:07 PM, Becca EmaNymton wrote:
>> On 9/30/2014 10:24 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>>> Nancy Young > Wrote in message:
>>>> On 9/30/2014 10:43 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I hope I quoted correctly. Things went well and now I'm
>>>>> recovering. Very sore but I've done more today without overdoing
>>>>> it. My mom is trying to keep me from spending all of my time in
>>>>> bed but the drugs are keeping me sleepy.
>>>>
>>>> I'm really glad to hear it went well and I hope you get plenty of
>>>> rest and you're feeling better soon.
>>>>
>>>> nancy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Nancy. I'm so surprised at how long the screws were that he
>>> removed from the fusion. At least 2in long! I got to keep them as a
>>> souvenir. Lol
>>
>> Screws that are at least 2" long? Wow, that makes an interesting
>> souvenir. Rest and do what the doctor (and your mother) tells you. How
>> long will you be off work?
>>
>> Becca
>>
>>
> Just through this week, and return to work (at home) on Monday. I could
> probably sooner, but I'm on a lot of painkillers so I wouldn't dream of
> touching any systems in production in my state.

Glad you are giving yourself enough time to heal, first. When you work
out of a home office, it is easy to get pulled back in there, but I am
happy you are staying strong and focusing on healing. People can make
bad decisions while medicated. Please keep us advised on how you are doing.

Becca

On 10/1/2014 2:53 PM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 11:13:06 -0500, Becca EmaNymton
> > wrote:
>
>> On 10/1/2014 9:57 AM, sf wrote:
>>> On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 15:52:39 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I can attest to the back surgery conundrum. I had lumbar fusion surgery (3, 4, 5 and S1) about three years ago, and
>>>> arthritis plus scar tissue has created severe chronic pain and further degeneration. There is no plus
>>>> in my case, and seniors who abuse narcotics like hydrocodone have made it extremely difficult, if not
>>>> Impossible, to get effective painkillers prescribed by over-conscientious scaredy-cat physicians.
>>>> They should be scared. Most mornings when I wake up, the tenor of my day is, I hate my life.
>>>
>>> That's because those drugs don't work in the long run. It works for a
>>> while, then your body gets used to the dose, so the Dr. gives you a
>>> stronger one. Pretty soon you're dependent and then you're an addict
>>> in a permanent fog. Pain control is a lose lose situation. My son in
>>> law has had a lifetime of pain control since age 12. He was
>>> prescribed narcotics in recent years, then a synthetic to get off the
>>> narcotic. The synthetic turned out to be the worse of the two, so he
>>> decided to detox (not easy). He sees a shrink, an MD who will help
>>> him with pain management, but won't prescribe narcotics, a physical
>>> therapist, goes to the gym, does acupuncture - there's probably more
>>> I'm not remembering. I know he was considering Qi (pronounced: chi)
>>> Gong at one point, but I don't think he's doing it. What used to be
>>> an 8 or 9 on the pain scale is now a 2-4, totally manageable and he's
>>> his old self. I almost jumped for joy the last time he was over
>>> because the first thing he did was go to the refrigerator looking for
>>> something to eat. His appetite is back big time and that's a good
>>> thing, IMO.
>>
>> That is wonderful news for your SIL, I am happy to hear that he is
>> getting back to his old self. He has really been through it.
>>
>
> Thank you so much for lending your moral support (off line) when times
> got tough for me - to say nothing of what he went through. You're a
> good person, Becca. I hope everything works out on your end too.
> There's more than enough heartache and worry to go around, even if
> you're not directly involved in the situation.

No problem at all.

Becca

Mold is in there after a week or ten days. Don't believe me? Pour some tap water (or bottled, doesn't
matter) into a small glass and let it sit on the counter. Count the black spots that appear after ten days...
that is mold. It will make you sick. Clean the filter. Haven't you ever watched Robert Irvine swipe his
fingers along the hidden filter in an ice machine and have them come up black? Clean the filter.

N.

On 10/2/2014 3:03 PM, Nancy2 wrote:
>
> Mold is in there after a week or ten days. Don't believe me? Pour some tap water (or bottled, doesn't
> matter) into a small glass and let it sit on the counter. Count the black spots that appear after ten days...
> that is mold. It will make you sick. Clean the filter. Haven't you ever watched Robert Irvine swipe his
> fingers along the hidden filter in an ice machine and have them come up black? Clean the filter.
>
> N.
>

I'm not afraid of a little algae. My guess is that most of our drinking
is filled with this bio-material. Mostly, we just got to live in the
natural environment and not try too hard to separate ourselves from it.
OTOH, if we had water like I saw in parts of this country, you can bet
that I'd be changing filters - that stuff stinks! Just thinking about it
makes me ill.

On Thu, 2 Oct 2014 18:03:16 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
> wrote:

>
> Mold is in there after a week or ten days. Don't believe me? Pour some tap water (or bottled, doesn't
> matter) into a small glass and let it sit on the counter. Count the black spots that appear after ten days...
> that is mold. It will make you sick. Clean the filter. Haven't you ever watched Robert Irvine swipe his
> fingers along the hidden filter in an ice machine and have them come up black? Clean the filter.
>
More than that... the lines need to be cleaned too. Haven't you ever
seen what the lines in those soft drink dispensers look like (in an
exposé type segment)? It's disgusting.


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Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

On Thursday, October 2, 2014 8:21:20 PM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Oct 2014 18:03:16 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
>
> > wrote:
>
>
>
> >
>
> > Mold is in there after a week or ten days. Don't believe me? Pour some tap water (or bottled, doesn't
>
> > matter) into a small glass and let it sit on the counter. Count the black spots that appear after ten days...
>
> > that is mold. It will make you sick. Clean the filter. Haven't you ever watched Robert Irvine swipe his
>
> > fingers along the hidden filter in an ice machine and have them come up black? Clean the filter.
>
> >
>
> More than that... the lines need to be cleaned too. Haven't you ever
>
> seen what the lines in those soft drink dispensers look like (in an
>
> exposé type segment)? It's disgusting.
>
>

People that fear algae should probably stick with ice cube trays. I had a water cooler in the office for 10 years. The water started tasting funny and it was too much of a hassle to clean that thing so I gave it away. These days I just keep some bottled water in a small refrigerator. Thank god for those small refrigerators!

>
>
>
> --
>
> Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

On Fri, 3 Oct 2014 02:22:21 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Thursday, October 2, 2014 8:21:20 PM UTC-10, sf wrote:
>> On Thu, 2 Oct 2014 18:03:16 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
>>
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Mold is in there after a week or ten days. Don't believe me? Pour some tap water (or bottled, doesn't
>>
>> > matter) into a small glass and let it sit on the counter. Count the black spots that appear after ten days...
>>
>> > that is mold. It will make you sick. Clean the filter. Haven't you ever watched Robert Irvine swipe his
>>
>> > fingers along the hidden filter in an ice machine and have them come up black? Clean the filter.
>>
>> >
>>
>> More than that... the lines need to be cleaned too. Haven't you ever
>>
>> seen what the lines in those soft drink dispensers look like (in an
>>
>> exposé type segment)? It's disgusting.
>>
>>
>
>People that fear algae should probably stick with ice cube trays. I had a water cooler in the office for 10 years. The water started tasting funny and it was too much of a hassle to clean that thing so I gave it away. These days I just keep some bottled water in a small refrigerator. Thank god for those small refrigerators!

There are several ways to ensure having clean, bacteria free water. I
have my own well so I have several devices installed; a large sediment
filter removes particulates like sand etc., next all the water coming
into the house passes through a UV chamber, kills organisms, and my
water is softened plus the drinking water bypasses the softener but is
RO filtered. Also occasionally I shock my well, pour a cup of laundry
bleach into the well, for the the next couple of days don't use the
water, then one by one open the cold water faucets to allow the pipes
to be filled with the chlorinated water and close the taps, next day
let the water run some until the chlorine odor dissapates. Do the
same with the water heater... hot water tanks are rife with horrid
bacteria, the bottom of the tank contains stagnant water at the
perfect temperature for organisms to breed. Cartridge filters give a
false sense of security, they remove particulates and odors but act as
a breeder for organisms. It's best to not use any of those cartridge
filters, remove and do not replace.

On Friday, October 3, 2014 8:25:42 AM UTC-10, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Oct 2014 02:22:21 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <>
>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Thursday, October 2, 2014 8:21:20 PM UTC-10, sf wrote:
>
> >> On Thu, 2 Oct 2014 18:03:16 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
>
> >>
>
> >> > wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >
>
> >>
>
> >> > Mold is in there after a week or ten days. Don't believe me? Pour some tap water (or bottled, doesn't
>
> >>
>
> >> > matter) into a small glass and let it sit on the counter. Count the black spots that appear after ten days...
>
> >>
>
> >> > that is mold. It will make you sick. Clean the filter. Haven't you ever watched Robert Irvine swipe his
>
> >>
>
> >> > fingers along the hidden filter in an ice machine and have them come up black? Clean the filter.
>
> >>
>
> >> >
>
> >>
>
> >> More than that... the lines need to be cleaned too. Haven't you ever
>
> >>
>
> >> seen what the lines in those soft drink dispensers look like (in an
>
> >>
>
> >> exposé type segment)? It's disgusting.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >
>
> >People that fear algae should probably stick with ice cube trays. I had a water cooler in the office for 10 years. The water started tasting funny and it was too much of a hassle to clean that thing so I gave it away. These days I just keep some bottled water in a small refrigerator. Thank god for those small refrigerators!
>
>
>
> There are several ways to ensure having clean, bacteria free water. I
>
> have my own well so I have several devices installed; a large sediment
>
> filter removes particulates like sand etc., next all the water coming
>
> into the house passes through a UV chamber, kills organisms, and my
>
> water is softened plus the drinking water bypasses the softener but is
>
> RO filtered. Also occasionally I shock my well, pour a cup of laundry
>
> bleach into the well, for the the next couple of days don't use the
>
> water, then one by one open the cold water faucets to allow the pipes
>
> to be filled with the chlorinated water and close the taps, next day
>
> let the water run some until the chlorine odor dissapates. Do the
>
> same with the water heater... hot water tanks are rife with horrid
>
> bacteria, the bottom of the tank contains stagnant water at the
>
> perfect temperature for organisms to breed. Cartridge filters give a
>
> false sense of security, they remove particulates and odors but act as
>
> a breeder for organisms. It's best to not use any of those cartridge
>
> filters, remove and do not replace.

Bacteria and algae are fine with me. Pesticides, heavy metals, hormones, nanoparticles(!!??) in our drinking water seem to be more worrisome problems.

Well, some people may be able to tolerate mold well, but it gave me terrible stomach problems. Then my
DIL asked if I had cleaned the counter-top dispenser with a bleach solution before refilling, and I hadn't. Once I
got rid of that tank and just started buying bottled water in small containers, my stomach problems
disappeared.

N.

On Friday, October 3, 2014 10:55:13 AM UTC-10, Nancy2 wrote:
> Well, some people may be able to tolerate mold well, but it gave me terrible stomach problems. Then my
>
> DIL asked if I had cleaned the counter-top dispenser with a bleach solution before refilling, and I hadn't. Once I
>
> got rid of that tank and just started buying bottled water in small containers, my stomach problems
>
> disappeared.
>
>
>
> N.

Sorry to hear of your problems. Water coolers are cool and everything but they're too much hassle to clean properly - which is why nobody ever does. Bottled water seems like a good solution. OTOH, my OCD friend lives in fear of germs - there's no way that I am going to live like that.

On Fri, 3 Oct 2014 13:27:31 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Friday, October 3, 2014 8:25:42 AM UTC-10, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> On Fri, 3 Oct 2014 02:22:21 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <>
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Thursday, October 2, 2014 8:21:20 PM UTC-10, sf wrote:
>>
>> >> On Thu, 2 Oct 2014 18:03:16 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> > wrote:
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> > Mold is in there after a week or ten days. Don't believe me? Pour some tap water (or bottled, doesn't
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> > matter) into a small glass and let it sit on the counter. Count the black spots that appear after ten days...
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> > that is mold. It will make you sick. Clean the filter. Haven't you ever watched Robert Irvine swipe his
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> > fingers along the hidden filter in an ice machine and have them come up black? Clean the filter.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> More than that... the lines need to be cleaned too. Haven't you ever
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> seen what the lines in those soft drink dispensers look like (in an
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> exposé type segment)? It's disgusting.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >
>>
>> >People that fear algae should probably stick with ice cube trays. I had a water cooler in the office for 10 years. The water started tasting funny and it was too much of a hassle to clean that thing so I gave it away. These days I just keep some bottled water in a small refrigerator. Thank god for those small refrigerators!
>>
>>
>>
>> There are several ways to ensure having clean, bacteria free water. I
>>
>> have my own well so I have several devices installed; a large sediment
>>
>> filter removes particulates like sand etc., next all the water coming
>>
>> into the house passes through a UV chamber, kills organisms, and my
>>
>> water is softened plus the drinking water bypasses the softener but is
>>
>> RO filtered. Also occasionally I shock my well, pour a cup of laundry
>>
>> bleach into the well, for the the next couple of days don't use the
>>
>> water, then one by one open the cold water faucets to allow the pipes
>>
>> to be filled with the chlorinated water and close the taps, next day
>>
>> let the water run some until the chlorine odor dissapates. Do the
>>
>> same with the water heater... hot water tanks are rife with horrid
>>
>> bacteria, the bottom of the tank contains stagnant water at the
>>
>> perfect temperature for organisms to breed. Cartridge filters give a
>>
>> false sense of security, they remove particulates and odors but act as
>>
>> a breeder for organisms. It's best to not use any of those cartridge
>>
>> filters, remove and do not replace.
>
>Bacteria and algae are fine with me.

Many organisms found in water can be deadly, at best they'll make you
so sick you'll wish you were dead.

>Pesticides, heavy metals, hormones, nanoparticles(!!??) in
>our drinking water seem to be more worrisome problems.

Those are easy to test for, there are Labs everywhere that test water
for potability. People who contract to purchase a home with a private
well are instructed to have the water tested at a certified lab prior
to closing... the onus is on the seller to remediate... sometimes a
new well is required. When certain hazardous substances are discoverd
the Feds are notified and sometimes the property is condemned...
whoever is found negligent for causing the toxic condition can be made
to pay for the clean up, can be heavily fined, may do serious prison
time, all of the above.

On Friday, October 3, 2014 11:30:11 AM UTC-10, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Oct 2014 13:27:31 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <>
>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Friday, October 3, 2014 8:25:42 AM UTC-10, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> >> On Fri, 3 Oct 2014 02:22:21 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <>
>
> >>
>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >On Thursday, October 2, 2014 8:21:20 PM UTC-10, sf wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> >> On Thu, 2 Oct 2014 18:03:16 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >> > wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >> >
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >> > Mold is in there after a week or ten days. Don't believe me? Pour some tap water (or bottled, doesn't
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >> > matter) into a small glass and let it sit on the counter. Count the black spots that appear after ten days...
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >> > that is mold. It will make you sick. Clean the filter. Haven't you ever watched Robert Irvine swipe his
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >> > fingers along the hidden filter in an ice machine and have them come up black? Clean the filter.
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >> >
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >> More than that... the lines need to be cleaned too. Haven't you ever
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >> seen what the lines in those soft drink dispensers look like (in an
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >> expos� type segment)? It's disgusting.
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >
>
> >>
>
> >> >People that fear algae should probably stick with ice cube trays. I had a water cooler in the office for 10 years. The water started tasting funny and it was too much of a hassle to clean that thing so I gave it away. These days I just keep some bottled water in a small refrigerator. Thank god for those small refrigerators!
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> There are several ways to ensure having clean, bacteria free water. I
>
> >>
>
> >> have my own well so I have several devices installed; a large sediment
>
> >>
>
> >> filter removes particulates like sand etc., next all the water coming
>
> >>
>
> >> into the house passes through a UV chamber, kills organisms, and my
>
> >>
>
> >> water is softened plus the drinking water bypasses the softener but is
>
> >>
>
> >> RO filtered. Also occasionally I shock my well, pour a cup of laundry
>
> >>
>
> >> bleach into the well, for the the next couple of days don't use the
>
> >>
>
> >> water, then one by one open the cold water faucets to allow the pipes
>
> >>
>
> >> to be filled with the chlorinated water and close the taps, next day
>
> >>
>
> >> let the water run some until the chlorine odor dissapates. Do the
>
> >>
>
> >> same with the water heater... hot water tanks are rife with horrid
>
> >>
>
> >> bacteria, the bottom of the tank contains stagnant water at the
>
> >>
>
> >> perfect temperature for organisms to breed. Cartridge filters give a
>
> >>
>
> >> false sense of security, they remove particulates and odors but act as
>
> >>
>
> >> a breeder for organisms. It's best to not use any of those cartridge
>
> >>
>
> >> filters, remove and do not replace.
>
> >
>
> >Bacteria and algae are fine with me.
>
>
>
> Many organisms found in water can be deadly, at best they'll make you
>
> so sick you'll wish you were dead.
>

The water in our streams could kill you but our municipal water supply is pretty damn safe. If the water conduits in our house is choked with nasties, they're pretty much harmless to the people that live here. This is a non-problem for us fearless types.

>
>
> >Pesticides, heavy metals, hormones, nanoparticles(!!??) in
>
> >our drinking water seem to be more worrisome problems.
>
>
>
> Those are easy to test for, there are Labs everywhere that test water
>
> for potability. People who contract to purchase a home with a private
>
> well are instructed to have the water tested at a certified lab prior
>
> to closing... the onus is on the seller to remediate... sometimes a
>
> new well is required. When certain hazardous substances are discoverd
>
> the Feds are notified and sometimes the property is condemned...
>
> whoever is found negligent for causing the toxic condition can be made
>
> to pay for the clean up, can be heavily fined, may do serious prison
>
> time, all of the above.

On 10/1/2014 3:49 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Cheryl" > wrote in message
> eb.com...
>> On 10/1/2014 12:07 PM, Becca EmaNymton wrote:
>>>
>>> Screws that are at least 2" long? Wow, that makes an interesting
>>> souvenir. Rest and do what the doctor (and your mother) tells you. How
>>> long will you be off work?
>>>
>>> Becca
>>>
>>>
>> Just through this week, and return to work (at home) on Monday. I
>> could probably sooner, but I'm on a lot of painkillers so I wouldn't
>> dream of touching any systems in production in my state.
>
> Yers, it could give some 'interesting' results <g>
>

Could be like the time I took a software testing project back to a
programmer... I asked if he was hungry. The button he'd programmed was
supposed to read 'Launch', not 'Lunch'.

Jill

On 10/3/2014 8:04 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>
> Could be like the time I took a software testing project back to a
> programmer... I asked if he was hungry. The button he'd programmed was
> supposed to read 'Launch', not 'Lunch'.

We have spelling issues with many of our programmers because English
isn't their first language. That said, though, I've seen pages
developed by some where English IS their first language that say
"compliant" all over it rather than the correct "complaint".

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