Cheri wrote:
> "George Leppla" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 9/22/2014 10:51 AM, sf wrote:
>>> On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 08:03:51 -0400, "Steve Freides" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Use it in good health. I wish we had space for something like
>>>> that but we've got counters and cabintes on both sides and above,
>>>> and we only can fit a small one.
>>>
>>> They are made for 30 inch openings now! Not sure if they are
>>> counter depth or what.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> This unit is 36" wide, almost 70 " tall and 35 inches deep... but it
>> is 28.5 cubic ft capacity. This is a monster and way bigger than
>> most
>> people would need unless they have a big family.
>>
>> They also make a 26" counter depth unit and we looked at that. I
>> think it was 21 Cubic ft. We could have lived with that, but the way
>> we buy, the bigger model was a better choice.... even if it does
>> stick out. Side by side, the smaller one really looked too small.
>>
>> George L
>
> I'd sooner have a bigger one like you bought than a smaller one. My
> MIL had a small one and it was just a pain to jockey for space. I
> could easily live with it sticking out.
>
> Cheri

I think ours is 21 cubic feet. Old house, small kitchen, small
refrigerator nook.

OTOH, I must observe that, now that we try to eat better, we don't have
as much in our refrigerator or freezer. The 'fridge here contains a lot
of leftovers, sometimes things we cook in big batches on purpose, e.g.,
we usually buy sausage 3 lbs. at a time because they give you a $2/lb
break on the price at the local WF if you do that. But especially my
freezer doesn't have a whole lot in it these days.

-S-

"Steve Freides" > wrote in message
...

> I think ours is 21 cubic feet. Old house, small kitchen, small
> refrigerator nook.
>
> OTOH, I must observe that, now that we try to eat better, we don't have as
> much in our refrigerator or freezer. The 'fridge here contains a lot of
> leftovers, sometimes things we cook in big batches on purpose, e.g., we
> usually buy sausage 3 lbs. at a time because they give you a $2/lb break
> on the price at the local WF if you do that. But especially my freezer
> doesn't have a whole lot in it these days.
>
> -S-

I don't have a big one either, old house, small refrigerator nook too, but
if I had the choice I would choose a larger one, especially the freezer
compartment because I like to stock up on sale too.

Cheri

"Cheri" wrote:
>"Steve Freides" wrote:
>
>> I think ours is 21 cubic feet. Old house, small kitchen, small
>> refrigerator nook.
>>
>> OTOH, I must observe that, now that we try to eat better, we don't have as
>> much in our refrigerator or freezer. The 'fridge here contains a lot of
>> leftovers, sometimes things we cook in big batches on purpose, e.g., we
>> usually buy sausage 3 lbs. at a time because they give you a $2/lb break
>> on the price at the local WF if you do that. But especially my freezer
>> doesn't have a whole lot in it these days.
>
>I don't have a big one either, old house, small refrigerator nook too, but
>if I had the choice I would choose a larger one, especially the freezer
>compartment because I like to stock up on sale too.
>
I found it more advantageous and costs less to have a 2nd refrigerator
freezer. With the two freezers I don't need a stand alone freezer and
just in case one unit goes on the fritz I don't need to worry about
being majorly inconvenienced. I have a large top of the line GE
Profile (23 cu ft) in the kitchen and a smaller (17 cu ft) no frills
used refrigerator freezer in the basement that cost $100 from a local
used appliance store, rarely opened so costs pennies to run and so far
hasn't had a problem in 11 years. The 2nd fridge space is very handy,
especially since I grow veggies. I would always recommend a second
refrigerator freezer rather than a gigantic pricy eye candy unit plus
seperate freezer. I had a 2nd refrigerator freezer at the last place
I lived... I did a lot more entertaining then, the 2nd unit was very
convenient. I think those ice machines, especially those through the
door gizmos greatly shorten the life of the unit. For two people I
don't need an ice machine, when I have company I stop by the local
convenience store for a big bag of Krystal Klear cubes for a couple
bucks. Using that through the door feature constantly cuts the life of
a unit at least by half, plus they make lousy stinky ice. If I needed
a lot of ice I'd buy one of those countertop ice machines, they are
very inexpensive and unlike refrigerator freezer ice machines they are
easy to keep clean, the ice they produce doesn't stink like from EVERY
refrigerator freezer ice machine. I fill my ice cube trays with RO
water or I buy Krystal Klear... the stinky ice from every residential
fridge has ruined my drink and made me want to gack... I don't accept
ice from fridge ice machines, it's worse than drinking water ladled
from their toilet.

On 9/22/2014 5:02 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> "Cheri" wrote:
>> "Steve Freides" wrote:
>>
>>> I think ours is 21 cubic feet. Old house, small kitchen, small
>>> refrigerator nook.
>>>
>>> OTOH, I must observe that, now that we try to eat better, we don't have as
>>> much in our refrigerator or freezer. The 'fridge here contains a lot of
>>> leftovers, sometimes things we cook in big batches on purpose, e.g., we
>>> usually buy sausage 3 lbs. at a time because they give you a $2/lb break
>>> on the price at the local WF if you do that. But especially my freezer
>>> doesn't have a whole lot in it these days.
>>
>> I don't have a big one either, old house, small refrigerator nook too, but
>> if I had the choice I would choose a larger one, especially the freezer
>> compartment because I like to stock up on sale too.
>>
> I found it more advantageous and costs less to have a 2nd refrigerator
> freezer. With the two freezers I don't need a stand alone freezer and
> just in case one unit goes on the fritz I don't need to worry about
> being majorly inconvenienced. I have a large top of the line GE
> Profile (23 cu ft) in the kitchen and a smaller (17 cu ft) no frills
> used refrigerator freezer in the basement that cost $100 from a local
> used appliance store, rarely opened so costs pennies to run and so far
> hasn't had a problem in 11 years. The 2nd fridge space is very handy,
> especially since I grow veggies. I would always recommend a second
> refrigerator freezer rather than a gigantic pricy eye candy unit plus
> seperate freezer. I had a 2nd refrigerator freezer at the last place
> I lived... I did a lot more entertaining then, the 2nd unit was very
> convenient. I think those ice machines, especially those through the
> door gizmos greatly shorten the life of the unit. For two people I
> don't need an ice machine, when I have company I stop by the local
> convenience store for a big bag of Krystal Klear cubes for a couple
> bucks. Using that through the door feature constantly cuts the life of
> a unit at least by half, plus they make lousy stinky ice. If I needed
> a lot of ice I'd buy one of those countertop ice machines, they are
> very inexpensive and unlike refrigerator freezer ice machines they are
> easy to keep clean, the ice they produce doesn't stink like from EVERY
> refrigerator freezer ice machine. I fill my ice cube trays with RO
> water or I buy Krystal Klear... the stinky ice from every residential
> fridge has ruined my drink and made me want to gack... I don't accept
> ice from fridge ice machines, it's worse than drinking water ladled
> from their toilet.

Sheldon, we use filtered water so the ice from this refrigerator tastes
just fine.

Becca

On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 08:41:28 -0500, Becca EmaNymton
> wrote:
snip
>
>Sheldon, we use filtered water so the ice from this refrigerator tastes
>just fine.
>
>Becca

that certainly helps. If the ice isn't changed out regularly, if the
freezer isn't cleaned regularly, the contents of the freezer pass on
the odors from the things stored in there. I can taste and smell it
too.
Janet US

On 9/23/2014 10:56 AM, Janet Bostwick wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 08:41:28 -0500, Becca EmaNymton
> > wrote:
> snip
>>
>> Sheldon, we use filtered water so the ice from this refrigerator tastes
>> just fine.
>>
>> Becca
>
> that certainly helps. If the ice isn't changed out regularly, if the
> freezer isn't cleaned regularly, the contents of the freezer pass on
> the odors from the things stored in there. I can taste and smell it
> too.
> Janet US
>

In our new refrigerator, there is a water filter and when the filter's
useful life is over, an alarm flashes. Replacing it is easy... a simple
screw in cartridge that is mounted on the back wall of the refrigerator.
I bought a pack of 2 to have on hand.

So the ice and drinking water is filtered. We use enough ice that the
idea of "old ice" picking up odors hasn't ever come into play... even in
our old refrigerator.

Oh... and in this unit, the ice maker isn't in the freezer... it is
located in the upper left corner of the refrigerator and dispenses ice
and water through the door. The ice maker and bin has to be very well
sealed to keep that low temperature since it is separate from the main
freezer, so the likelihood of odors from the refrigerator getting to the
ice is pretty remote.

Moot point. Our old refrigerator didn't have a filter, ran on regular
unfiltered house water and the ice bin was open to the freezer. Never
had an odor problem or taste problem and I think Becca said that unit
was over 20 years old. But again, we use a lot of ice.

George L

On 9/23/2014 3:03 PM, George Leppla wrote:

> In our new refrigerator, there is a water filter and when the filter's
> useful life is over, an alarm flashes. Replacing it is easy... a simple
> screw in cartridge that is mounted on the back wall of the refrigerator.
> I bought a pack of 2 to have on hand.
>
> So the ice and drinking water is filtered. We use enough ice that the
> idea of "old ice" picking up odors hasn't ever come into play... even in
> our old refrigerator.

Mine has a simple-to-replace filter, too. It filters the water leading
to both the water dispenser and the ice maker in the freezer. The
filter replacement is a little expensive though, and they last less than
a year before the nag feature tells me to replace it.

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Cheryl

On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 09:56:01 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:

>On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 08:41:28 -0500, Becca EmaNymton
> wrote:
>snip
>>
>>Sheldon, we use filtered water so the ice from this refrigerator tastes
>>just fine.
>>
>>Becca
>
>that certainly helps. If the ice isn't changed out regularly, if the
>freezer isn't cleaned regularly, the contents of the freezer pass on
>the odors from the things stored in there. I can taste and smell it
>too.
>Janet US

That's why I don't like built in ice makers... no one ever cleans that
ice container, has ice in there from the first day it was plugged
in.... no one ever cleans frost free freezers unless there was a major
power failure. I have four ice cube trays in my freezer, I use maybe
two trays a day and the trays get rotated so no ice is more than 24
hours old. I really can't see why two people need an ice maker. I
also don't like built in ice makers because invaribly they break down
the day after the warranty runs out.

On 9/23/2014 3:43 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:

> That's why I don't like built in ice makers... no one ever cleans that
> ice container, has ice in there from the first day it was plugged
> in.... no one ever cleans frost free freezers unless there was a major
> power failure.

?? No one ?? You have asked everyone in the world. I don't recall you
asking me.

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Cheryl

On 9/23/2014 3:43 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> I use maybe
> two trays a day and the trays get rotated so no ice is more than 24
> hours old. I really can't see why two people need an ice maker. I
> also don't like built in ice makers because invariably they break down
> the day after the warranty runs out.
>

With twp people it is fairly easy to fill the trays. When the kids were
home it was a battle and I was glad to have it automated. No more
finding one cube left.

In the 20 years we've had one, I did a repair on it once and replaced it
once. The price of convenience I'm willing to pay.

On 9/23/2014 10:56 AM, Janet Bostwick wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 08:41:28 -0500, Becca EmaNymton
> > wrote:
> snip
>>
>> Sheldon, we use filtered water so the ice from this refrigerator tastes
>> just fine.
>>
>> Becca
>
> that certainly helps. If the ice isn't changed out regularly, if the
> freezer isn't cleaned regularly, the contents of the freezer pass on
> the odors from the things stored in there. I can taste and smell it
> too.
> Janet US

In our Maytag refrigerator, the ice maker was open, so getting
refrigerator smells was possible. This Samsung ice maker and the ice is
completely closed and latched; it is also small, so I do not know how it
would work for a large family. The water and ice maker uses this filter,
which is replaced every 5-6 months:

http://www.waterfiltersonline.com/de...ng-DA29-00003B

Becca

On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 16:16:02 -0500, Becca EmaNymton
> wrote:

>On 9/23/2014 10:56 AM, Janet Bostwick wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 08:41:28 -0500, Becca EmaNymton
>> > wrote:
>> snip
>>>
>>> Sheldon, we use filtered water so the ice from this refrigerator tastes
>>> just fine.
>>>
>>> Becca
>>
>> that certainly helps. If the ice isn't changed out regularly, if the
>> freezer isn't cleaned regularly, the contents of the freezer pass on
>> the odors from the things stored in there. I can taste and smell it
>> too.
>> Janet US
>
>In our Maytag refrigerator, the ice maker was open, so getting
>refrigerator smells was possible. This Samsung ice maker and the ice is
>completely closed and latched; it is also small, so I do not know how it
>would work for a large family. The water and ice maker uses this filter,
>which is replaced every 5-6 months:
>
>http://www.waterfiltersonline.com/de...ng-DA29-00003B
>
>Becca

Five to six months... by the third day that thing is breeding more
bacteria than a dirty terlit.

Cartridge filters do more bad than good... they are no better than an
aquarium filter, they trap some solids/sediment so the water looks
clear, but they're a breeding place for germs. Some contain chrarcoal
so they absorb some odor but after about 2-3 days that feature ceases.
I'd rather have no filter than a cartridge filter.

On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 08:41:28 -0500, Becca EmaNymton
> wrote:

>On 9/22/2014 5:02 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> "Cheri" wrote:
>>> "Steve Freides" wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think ours is 21 cubic feet. Old house, small kitchen, small
>>>> refrigerator nook.
>>>>
>>>> OTOH, I must observe that, now that we try to eat better, we don't have as
>>>> much in our refrigerator or freezer. The 'fridge here contains a lot of
>>>> leftovers, sometimes things we cook in big batches on purpose, e.g., we
>>>> usually buy sausage 3 lbs. at a time because they give you a $2/lb break
>>>> on the price at the local WF if you do that. But especially my freezer
>>>> doesn't have a whole lot in it these days.
>>>
>>> I don't have a big one either, old house, small refrigerator nook too, but
>>> if I had the choice I would choose a larger one, especially the freezer
>>> compartment because I like to stock up on sale too.
>>>
>> I found it more advantageous and costs less to have a 2nd refrigerator
>> freezer. With the two freezers I don't need a stand alone freezer and
>> just in case one unit goes on the fritz I don't need to worry about
>> being majorly inconvenienced. I have a large top of the line GE
>> Profile (23 cu ft) in the kitchen and a smaller (17 cu ft) no frills
>> used refrigerator freezer in the basement that cost $100 from a local
>> used appliance store, rarely opened so costs pennies to run and so far
>> hasn't had a problem in 11 years. The 2nd fridge space is very handy,
>> especially since I grow veggies. I would always recommend a second
>> refrigerator freezer rather than a gigantic pricy eye candy unit plus
>> seperate freezer. I had a 2nd refrigerator freezer at the last place
>> I lived... I did a lot more entertaining then, the 2nd unit was very
>> convenient. I think those ice machines, especially those through the
>> door gizmos greatly shorten the life of the unit. For two people I
>> don't need an ice machine, when I have company I stop by the local
>> convenience store for a big bag of Krystal Klear cubes for a couple
>> bucks. Using that through the door feature constantly cuts the life of
>> a unit at least by half, plus they make lousy stinky ice. If I needed
>> a lot of ice I'd buy one of those countertop ice machines, they are
>> very inexpensive and unlike refrigerator freezer ice machines they are
>> easy to keep clean, the ice they produce doesn't stink like from EVERY
>> refrigerator freezer ice machine. I fill my ice cube trays with RO
>> water or I buy Krystal Klear... the stinky ice from every residential
>> fridge has ruined my drink and made me want to gack... I don't accept
>> ice from fridge ice machines, it's worse than drinking water ladled
>> from their toilet.
>
>Sheldon, we use filtered water so the ice from this refrigerator tastes
>just fine.

Depends how water is filtered but I won't go into that here.

It's the ice sitting in the icemaker container picking up odors that I
find offensive... no one ever cleans those things, people think about
it but never actually do it... after two days in the freezer ice
stinks... with ice cube trays I can easily rotate my ice stock so I
always have only fresh ice. I see no big deal with filling a couple
of trays once a day, with two people how much ice can you use, and
when I have company I buy a bag of Krystal Klear for a couple bucks,
much nicer ice than any home freezer can make. I don't care for those
itty bitty cube those icemakers produce, they water down my drink.
Those in fridge ice makers also occupy a couple cu ft of freezer
space, not worth the loss of space to me. Also the automatic icemaker
places undue stress on the fridge that shortens its life... everytime
you operate tha tthrouhg th edoof gizmo teh compresssor comes on.
Those icemakers also have a way of dying a day after the warranty
expires. If my life style was such that I used a lot of ice I'd have
one of those portable ice makers, not any more expensive than the
fridge icemaker, makes more ice and faster than any ten people can
use, and doesn't pick up the stench of fridge odors... the freezer is
not isolated from the fridge, I don't like garlicky pasta sauce ice.
Only once did I buy a fridge with an icemaker, a very long time ago, I
hated that odiferous ice. This doesn't pick up fridge odors:
http://www.amazon.com/Avalon-Bay-AB-...ertop+icemaker

On 9/23/2014 9:41 AM, Becca EmaNymton wrote:
> On 9/22/2014 5:02 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:


>> bucks. Using that through the door feature constantly cuts the life of
>> a unit at least by half, plus they make lousy stinky ice. If I needed
>> a lot of ice I'd buy one of those countertop ice machines, they are
>> very inexpensive and unlike refrigerator freezer ice machines they are
>> easy to keep clean, the ice they produce doesn't stink like from EVERY
>> refrigerator freezer ice machine. I fill my ice cube trays with RO
>> water or I buy Krystal Klear... the stinky ice from every residential
>> fridge has ruined my drink and made me want to gack... I don't accept
>> ice from fridge ice machines, it's worse than drinking water ladled
>> from their toilet.
>
> Sheldon, we use filtered water so the ice from this refrigerator tastes
> just fine.
>
> Becca
>

Same here, but we use a fair amount of ice. Sheldon is partly right if
people use little ice and have onions in the fridge, it can pick up some
odors over time.

On 9/22/2014 3:07 PM, Cheri wrote:
>
> "Steve Freides" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> I think ours is 21 cubic feet. Old house, small kitchen, small
>> refrigerator nook.
>>
>> OTOH, I must observe that, now that we try to eat better, we don't
>> have as much in our refrigerator or freezer. The 'fridge here
>> contains a lot of leftovers, sometimes things we cook in big batches
>> on purpose, e.g., we usually buy sausage 3 lbs. at a time because they
>> give you a $2/lb break on the price at the local WF if you do that.
>> But especially my freezer doesn't have a whole lot in it these days.
>>
>> -S-
>
> I don't have a big one either, old house, small refrigerator nook too,
> but if I had the choice I would choose a larger one, especially the
> freezer compartment because I like to stock up on sale too.
>
> Cheri
>
I was surprised I was able to fit my new one in the nook. It takes up
every bit of space there is, though. I have a cabinet over it and while
the old fridge left a few inches between the top of it and the bottom of
the fridge, this one is almost an exact fit. There is, however, enough
space to put a tiny fold up step stool between the fridge and the wall.

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"Cheryl" > wrote in message
eb.com...
> On 9/22/2014 3:07 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>
>> "Steve Freides" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> I think ours is 21 cubic feet. Old house, small kitchen, small
>>> refrigerator nook.
>>>
>>> OTOH, I must observe that, now that we try to eat better, we don't
>>> have as much in our refrigerator or freezer. The 'fridge here
>>> contains a lot of leftovers, sometimes things we cook in big batches
>>> on purpose, e.g., we usually buy sausage 3 lbs. at a time because they
>>> give you a $2/lb break on the price at the local WF if you do that.
>>> But especially my freezer doesn't have a whole lot in it these days.
>>>
>>> -S-
>>
>> I don't have a big one either, old house, small refrigerator nook too,
>> but if I had the choice I would choose a larger one, especially the
>> freezer compartment because I like to stock up on sale too.
>>
>> Cheri
>>
> I was surprised I was able to fit my new one in the nook. It takes up
> every bit of space there is, though. I have a cabinet over it and while
> the old fridge left a few inches between the top of it and the bottom of
> the fridge, this one is almost an exact fit. There is, however, enough
> space to put a tiny fold up step stool between the fridge and the wall.

Same when I got my new one. Almost touches the cupboard above and only
enough room on the side for a reaching tool and a fly swatter on the other
side. Not sure what I will do when this one dies. They don't seem to make
this size any more. The side by sides are all larger. And if I have to go
with a top freezer model, it will be way too small.

On Monday, September 22, 2014 7:55:12 AM UTC-10, Steve Freides wrote:
> Cheri wrote:
>
> > "George Leppla" > wrote in message
>
> > ...
>
> >> On 9/22/2014 10:51 AM, sf wrote:
>
> >>> On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 08:03:51 -0400, "Steve Freides" >
>
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> Use it in good health. I wish we had space for something like
>
> >>>> that but we've got counters and cabintes on both sides and above,
>
> >>>> and we only can fit a small one.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> They are made for 30 inch openings now! Not sure if they are
>
> >>> counter depth or what.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>
>
> >> This unit is 36" wide, almost 70 " tall and 35 inches deep... but it
>
> >> is 28.5 cubic ft capacity. This is a monster and way bigger than
>
> >> most
>
> >> people would need unless they have a big family.
>
> >>
>
> >> They also make a 26" counter depth unit and we looked at that. I
>
> >> think it was 21 Cubic ft. We could have lived with that, but the way
>
> >> we buy, the bigger model was a better choice.... even if it does
>
> >> stick out. Side by side, the smaller one really looked too small.
>
> >>
>
> >> George L
>
> >
>
> > I'd sooner have a bigger one like you bought than a smaller one. My
>
> > MIL had a small one and it was just a pain to jockey for space. I
>
> > could easily live with it sticking out.
>
> >
>
> > Cheri
>
>
>
> I think ours is 21 cubic feet. Old house, small kitchen, small
>
> refrigerator nook.
>
>
>
> OTOH, I must observe that, now that we try to eat better, we don't have
>
> as much in our refrigerator or freezer. The 'fridge here contains a lot
>
> of leftovers, sometimes things we cook in big batches on purpose, e.g.,
>
> we usually buy sausage 3 lbs. at a time because they give you a $2/lb
>
> break on the price at the local WF if you do that. But especially my
>
> freezer doesn't have a whole lot in it these days.
>
>
>
> -S-

We bought a refrigerator with a lot of space that fit into an standard 31" width space. Super idea! When we put it in, we found out that our dishwasher door hit the door and would not open all the way. Oopsie. So that's how they get that extra room in there. :-)

dsi1 wrote:
> We bought a refrigerator with a lot of space that fit into an
> standard 31" width space. Super idea! When we put it in, we found out
> that our dishwasher door hit the door and would not open all the way.
> Oopsie. So that's how they get that extra room in there. :-)

We have a similar thing with our stove. In our old, smalll, kitchen,
the space for the stove is also small, and when our stove died, we got
what we thought was the right size replacement, but we have to open the
oven door to get to the contents of one of the drawers now - not great
but we live with it and just don't keep anything we need very often in
there.

-S-

"Steve Freides" > wrote in message
...

> I think ours is 21 cubic feet. Old house, small kitchen, small
> refrigerator nook.
>
> OTOH, I must observe that, now that we try to eat better, we don't have as
> much in our refrigerator or freezer. The 'fridge here contains a lot of
> leftovers, sometimes things we cook in big batches on purpose, e.g., we
> usually buy sausage 3 lbs. at a time because they give you a $2/lb break
> on the price at the local WF if you do that. But especially my freezer
> doesn't have a whole lot in it these days.

Mine is about 21 or 22. The problem is that I have one really big eater
here. I'll go to the store and the fridge will be packed full. Then by the
next day there will be lots of empty spots. I also wish I had dedicated
crisper drawers. I don't. There are two drawers but they are not humidity
controlled and the bottom one is particularly bad for produce.