A few weeks ago we bought a new refrigerator. After a lot of looking
around we decided we wanted a French Door model with lower freezer. Ice
maker is a must. We shopped our favorite appliance dealer and found this:

http://www.samsung.com/us/appliances...RF28HFEDBSR/AA

The place we buy appliances is a local company that specializes in
selling floor models, discontinued models, scratch and dent, overstocks,
etc. They also sell refurbished used appliances. So far we have bought
a stove, washing machine and now this refrigerator.

This unit is selling at Sears for around $1800. Our refrigerator is
brand new, has two small dents in the door (one way up high, the other
way down low). All the protective factory film was still on the unit
when we got it. We paid $750, including tax and delivery and set up....
and removal of our old unit... which they will probably clean up, check
out and sell for around $150.

The unit is so big that all the doors had to come off to get it into the
house... and I had to remove the front door.

It is probably too big for our kitchen, but we tend to buy things in
bulk when they are on sale. We will be remodeling our kitchen this
Fall... should probably have done that first, but this was too good a
deal to pass up.

Digital controls... fridge is set at 36 degrees and the freezer at 6
degrees. I know they recommend Zero degrees but Ice cream gets too hard
to serve at that temperature. Everything else besides the ice cream
degrees is rock hard at 6 degrees, so that is where we set it.

Three weeks and everything works perfectly. The ice maker is a bit
loud, but so was our old one. I like the LED lighting. I find I am
still opening both doors when I want something from the refrigerator.
With time, we'll get everything settled in place and only have to open
one door to grab what we want.

We are pretty happy with this purchase.

George L

On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 13:51:55 -0500, George Leppla
> wrote:

> A few weeks ago we bought a new refrigerator. After a lot of looking
> around we decided we wanted a French Door model with lower freezer. Ice
> maker is a must. We shopped our favorite appliance dealer and found this:
>
> http://www.samsung.com/us/appliances...RF28HFEDBSR/AA
>
> The place we buy appliances is a local company that specializes in
> selling floor models, discontinued models, scratch and dent, overstocks,
> etc. They also sell refurbished used appliances. So far we have bought
> a stove, washing machine and now this refrigerator.
>
> This unit is selling at Sears for around $1800. Our refrigerator is
> brand new, has two small dents in the door (one way up high, the other
> way down low). All the protective factory film was still on the unit
> when we got it. We paid $750, including tax and delivery and set up....
> and removal of our old unit... which they will probably clean up, check
> out and sell for around $150.
>
> The unit is so big that all the doors had to come off to get it into the
> house... and I had to remove the front door.
>
> It is probably too big for our kitchen, but we tend to buy things in
> bulk when they are on sale. We will be remodeling our kitchen this
> Fall... should probably have done that first, but this was too good a
> deal to pass up.
>
> Digital controls... fridge is set at 36 degrees and the freezer at 6
> degrees. I know they recommend Zero degrees but Ice cream gets too hard
> to serve at that temperature. Everything else besides the ice cream
> degrees is rock hard at 6 degrees, so that is where we set it.
>
> Three weeks and everything works perfectly. The ice maker is a bit
> loud, but so was our old one. I like the LED lighting. I find I am
> still opening both doors when I want something from the refrigerator.
> With time, we'll get everything settled in place and only have to open
> one door to grab what we want.
>
> We are pretty happy with this purchase.
>
Sounds great and what a buy! Wish I had room for one like yours.

I got a deal similar to yours with my very first washer/dryer. Sears
gave me a huge discount because the washer had a ding on one side.
They were going to be installed right next to each other and I'd never
see that side anyway, so my attitude was YEAH I'll take it.

I have a feeling I'll be looking for new ovens sooner than later. A
popcorn popping sound was coming from the panel that houses the dials
and clock last night when I had both ovens going. Not sure what that
was all about. It almost sounded like the fan was acting up, but I
opened the door to the oven with the convection fan and the noise
wasn't coming from there (it wasn't on convect anyway). It eventually
subsided and that's when hubby finally decided to come in to listen.
It was still making noise, but it wasn't as loud and of course he
couldn't hear it - so if he can't hear it, there's no a problem
(according to him).


--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

On Saturday, September 20, 2014 11:51:55 AM UTC-7, George L wrote:
> A few weeks ago we bought a new refrigerator. After a lot of looking
>
> around we decided we wanted a French Door model with lower freezer. Ice
>
> maker is a must. We shopped our favorite appliance dealer and found this:
>
>
>
> http://www.samsung.com/us/appliances...RF28HFEDBSR/AA
>
>
>
> The place we buy appliances is a local company that specializes in
>
> selling floor models, discontinued models, scratch and dent, overstocks,
>
> etc. They also sell refurbished used appliances. So far we have bought
>
> a stove, washing machine and now this refrigerator.
>
>
>
> This unit is selling at Sears for around $1800. Our refrigerator is
>
> brand new, has two small dents in the door (one way up high, the other
>
> way down low). All the protective factory film was still on the unit
>
> when we got it. We paid $750, including tax and delivery and set up....
>
> and removal of our old unit... which they will probably clean up, check
>
> out and sell for around $150.
>
>
>
> The unit is so big that all the doors had to come off to get it into the
>
> house... and I had to remove the front door.
>
>
>
> It is probably too big for our kitchen, but we tend to buy things in
>
> bulk when they are on sale. We will be remodeling our kitchen this
>
> Fall... should probably have done that first, but this was too good a
>
> deal to pass up.
>
>
>
> Digital controls... fridge is set at 36 degrees and the freezer at 6
>
> degrees. I know they recommend Zero degrees but Ice cream gets too hard
>
> to serve at that temperature. Everything else besides the ice cream
>
> degrees is rock hard at 6 degrees, so that is where we set it.
>
>
>
> Three weeks and everything works perfectly. The ice maker is a bit
>
> loud, but so was our old one. I like the LED lighting. I find I am
>
> still opening both doors when I want something from the refrigerator.
>
> With time, we'll get everything settled in place and only have to open
>
> one door to grab what we want.
>
>
>
> We are pretty happy with this purchase.
>
>
>
> George L

What a great deal. Got a picture you could post? I would love to have a new refrigerator but....not yet.

On 9/20/2014 2:51 PM, George Leppla wrote:
> A few weeks ago we bought a new refrigerator. After a lot of looking
> around we decided we wanted a French Door model with lower freezer. Ice
> maker is a must. We shopped our favorite appliance dealer and found this:
>
> http://www.samsung.com/us/appliances...RF28HFEDBSR/AA
>
> The place we buy appliances is a local company that specializes in
> selling floor models, discontinued models, scratch and dent, overstocks,
> etc. They also sell refurbished used appliances. So far we have bought
> a stove, washing machine and now this refrigerator.


> Digital controls... fridge is set at 36 degrees and the freezer at 6
> degrees. I know they recommend Zero degrees but Ice cream gets too hard
> to serve at that temperature. Everything else besides the ice cream
> degrees is rock hard at 6 degrees, so that is where we set it.

Looks nice. IIRC, the compressor warranty is longer than the typical US
brand today.

Our next will be similar but I have a space restriction and the limit is
a 32' Model and only LG has the French door with water and ice dispensers.
I think you will enjoy it long term.

On Saturday, September 20, 2014 2:49:55 PM UTC-5, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 13:51:55 -0500, George Leppla
>
> > wrote:
>
>
>
> > A few weeks ago we bought a new refrigerator. After a lot of looking
>
> > around we decided we wanted a French Door model with lower freezer. Ice
>
> > maker is a must. We shopped our favorite appliance dealer and found this:
>
> >
>
> > http://www.samsung.com/us/appliances...RF28HFEDBSR/AA
>
> >
>
> > The place we buy appliances is a local company that specializes in
>
> > selling floor models, discontinued models, scratch and dent, overstocks,
>
> > etc. They also sell refurbished used appliances. So far we have bought
>
> > a stove, washing machine and now this refrigerator.
>
> >
>
> > This unit is selling at Sears for around $1800. Our refrigerator is
>
> > brand new, has two small dents in the door (one way up high, the other
>
> > way down low). All the protective factory film was still on the unit
>
> > when we got it. We paid $750, including tax and delivery and set up....
>
> > and removal of our old unit... which they will probably clean up, check
>
> > out and sell for around $150.
>
> >
>
> > The unit is so big that all the doors had to come off to get it into the
>
> > house... and I had to remove the front door.
>
> >
>
> > It is probably too big for our kitchen, but we tend to buy things in
>
> > bulk when they are on sale. We will be remodeling our kitchen this
>
> > Fall... should probably have done that first, but this was too good a
>
> > deal to pass up.
>
> >
>
> > Digital controls... fridge is set at 36 degrees and the freezer at 6
>
> > degrees. I know they recommend Zero degrees but Ice cream gets too hard
>
> > to serve at that temperature. Everything else besides the ice cream
>
> > degrees is rock hard at 6 degrees, so that is where we set it.
>
> >
>
> > Three weeks and everything works perfectly. The ice maker is a bit
>
> > loud, but so was our old one. I like the LED lighting. I find I am
>
> > still opening both doors when I want something from the refrigerator.
>
> > With time, we'll get everything settled in place and only have to open
>
> > one door to grab what we want.
>
> >
>
> > We are pretty happy with this purchase.
>
> >
>
> Sounds great and what a buy! Wish I had room for one like yours.
>
>
>
> I got a deal similar to yours with my very first washer/dryer. Sears
>
> gave me a huge discount because the washer had a ding on one side.
>
> They were going to be installed right next to each other and I'd never
>
> see that side anyway, so my attitude was YEAH I'll take it.
>
>
I bought my car, which was sticker priced at almost $16,000 for
$12,900 because it had some hail dings. Plus, I had $1,000 credit
from GM from having a GM credit card, so I drove a brand new Chevy
4 dr Aveo5 with power everything and cruise control off the lot for
$11,900.
I'm not particularly fond of the car, but it's practical, and I'm
right side up already on the loan. I plan on selling it when these
become available.
http://www.eliomotors.com/

--Bryan
>

George Leppla > wrote in news:lvkicc017n7
@news3.newsguy.com:

> A few weeks ago we bought a new refrigerator.

We bought one a year ago, 18.5 cu. ft (whatever that means in
metric) fridge, no freezer. We already have a freezer.

Since we got that, I no longer have to bend myself into a pretzel
to see what's at the back of the lower shelf.

--

Socialism never took root in America because the
poor there see themselves not as an exploited
proletariat but as temporarily embarassed
millionaires. - John Steinbeck

On 20/09/2014 12:51 PM, George Leppla wrote:
> A few weeks ago we bought a new refrigerator. After a lot of looking
> around we decided we wanted a French Door model with lower freezer. Ice
> maker is a must. We shopped our favourite appliance dealer and found this:
>
> http://www.samsung.com/us/appliances...RF28HFEDBSR/AA
>
My son bought a similar Samsung sans water dispenser on the front when his
10 yr old Amana packed up.
It's a great machine and with more features than my KA which cost me a
lot, some 15 years ago.
Graham

On 9/20/2014 2:52 PM, ImStillMags wrote:
> On Saturday, September 20, 2014 11:51:55 AM UTC-7, George L wrote:
>> A few weeks ago we bought a new refrigerator. After a lot of
>> looking
>>
>> around we decided we wanted a French Door model with lower freezer.
>> Ice
>>
>> maker is a must. We shopped our favorite appliance dealer and
>> found this:
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.samsung.com/us/appliances...RF28HFEDBSR/AA

snip....


> What a great deal. Got a picture you could post? I would love to
> have a new refrigerator but....not yet.

Here is a photo.

http://i59.tinypic.com/2zel5li.jpg

Becca

On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 17:15:45 -0500, Becca EmaNymton
> wrote:

>On 9/20/2014 2:52 PM, ImStillMags wrote:
>> On Saturday, September 20, 2014 11:51:55 AM UTC-7, George L wrote:
>>> A few weeks ago we bought a new refrigerator. After a lot of
>>> looking
>>>
>>> around we decided we wanted a French Door model with lower freezer.
>>> Ice
>>>
>>> maker is a must. We shopped our favorite appliance dealer and
>>> found this:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.samsung.com/us/appliances...RF28HFEDBSR/AA
>
>snip....
>
>
>> What a great deal. Got a picture you could post? I would love to
>> have a new refrigerator but....not yet.
>
>Here is a photo.
>
>http://i59.tinypic.com/2zel5li.jpg
>
>Becca


Oh that's really nice. Enjoy

koko



--

Food is our common ground, a universal experience
James Beard

On 9/20/2014 6:15 PM, Becca EmaNymton wrote:
> On 9/20/2014 2:52 PM, ImStillMags wrote:
>> On Saturday, September 20, 2014 11:51:55 AM UTC-7, George L wrote:
>>> A few weeks ago we bought a new refrigerator. After a lot of
>>> looking
>>>
>>> around we decided we wanted a French Door model with lower freezer.
>>> Ice
>>>
>>> maker is a must. We shopped our favorite appliance dealer and
>>> found this:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.samsung.com/us/appliances...RF28HFEDBSR/AA
>
> snip....
>
>
>> What a great deal. Got a picture you could post? I would love to
>> have a new refrigerator but....not yet.
>
> Here is a photo.
>
> http://i59.tinypic.com/2zel5li.jpg
>
> Becca

Looks nice but waaay too big for what I'll be buying when I replace
mine. I do agree the ice-maker is a must. I won't go back to filling
ice-cube trays again. Congrats!

Jill

On 9/20/2014 1:51 PM, George Leppla wrote:
> A few weeks ago we bought a new refrigerator. After a lot of looking
> around we decided we wanted a French Door model with lower freezer. Ice
> maker is a must. We shopped our favorite appliance dealer and found this:
>
> http://www.samsung.com/us/appliances...RF28HFEDBSR/AA
>
> The place we buy appliances is a local company that specializes in
> selling floor models, discontinued models, scratch and dent, overstocks,
> etc. They also sell refurbished used appliances. So far we have bought
> a stove, washing machine and now this refrigerator.
>
> This unit is selling at Sears for around $1800. Our refrigerator is
> brand new, has two small dents in the door (one way up high, the other
> way down low). All the protective factory film was still on the unit
> when we got it. We paid $750, including tax and delivery and set up....
> and removal of our old unit... which they will probably clean up, check
> out and sell for around $150.
>
> The unit is so big that all the doors had to come off to get it into the
> house... and I had to remove the front door.
>
> It is probably too big for our kitchen, but we tend to buy things in
> bulk when they are on sale. We will be remodeling our kitchen this
> Fall... should probably have done that first, but this was too good a
> deal to pass up.
>
> Digital controls... fridge is set at 36 degrees and the freezer at 6
> degrees. I know they recommend Zero degrees but Ice cream gets too hard
> to serve at that temperature. Everything else besides the ice cream
> degrees is rock hard at 6 degrees, so that is where we set it.
>
> Three weeks and everything works perfectly. The ice maker is a bit
> loud, but so was our old one. I like the LED lighting. I find I am
> still opening both doors when I want something from the refrigerator.
> With time, we'll get everything settled in place and only have to open
> one door to grab what we want.
>
> We are pretty happy with this purchase.
>
> George L
>
>
Good luck with the new fridge. Always make sure the through the door
ice maker is not leaking. My old one did and that's how I broke my knee.

My new one has just a plain ice maker inside the freezer.

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

Samsung has apparently paid a fortune for product placement on TV. I can hardly watch a program
that doesn't have one in a prominent place.

N.

On 9/21/2014 1:22 PM, Nancy2 wrote:
>
> Samsung has apparently paid a fortune for product placement on TV. I can hardly watch a program
> that doesn't have one in a prominent place.
>

Yep. There is a Samsung refrigerator on Project Runway. They make a
point of featuring it prominently in every episode.

George L

On Sunday, September 21, 2014 8:22:01 AM UTC-10, Nancy2 wrote:
> Samsung has apparently paid a fortune for product placement on TV. I can hardly watch a program
>
> that doesn't have one in a prominent place.
>
>
>
> N.

You'd be hard pressed to find a nicer, more distintive looking, refrigerator and it looks great on TV. My Samsung's got the most beautiful handles of any appliance I have. I'm a sucker for beautiful design.

On 9/21/2014 4:13 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, September 21, 2014 8:22:01 AM UTC-10, Nancy2 wrote:
>> Samsung has apparently paid a fortune for product placement on TV. I can hardly watch a program
>>
>> that doesn't have one in a prominent place.
>>
>>
>>
>> N.
>
> You'd be hard pressed to find a nicer, more distintive looking, refrigerator and it looks great on TV. My Samsung's got the most beautiful handles of any appliance I have. I'm a sucker for beautiful design.
>

Samsung is on a roll and is doing things right. I buy what seems the
best to me in quality and value. Turns out, I have 1 computer monitor,
2 40" TVs, and a galaxy S4 and Galaxy S5 phones.

Ed, one of the best things Samsung has done is made that commercial with Kristen Bell
and her husband, Dax Shepard. It is really clever.

N.

On Sunday, September 21, 2014 4:16:46 PM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 9/21/2014 4:13 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, September 21, 2014 8:22:01 AM UTC-10, Nancy2 wrote:
>
> >> Samsung has apparently paid a fortune for product placement on TV. I can hardly watch a program
>
> >>
>
> >> that doesn't have one in a prominent place.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> N.
>
> >
>
> > You'd be hard pressed to find a nicer, more distintive looking, refrigerator and it looks great on TV. My Samsung's got the most beautiful handles of any appliance I have. I'm a sucker for beautiful design.
>
> >
>
>
>
> Samsung is on a roll and is doing things right. I buy what seems the
>
> best to me in quality and value. Turns out, I have 1 computer monitor,
>
> 2 40" TVs, and a galaxy S4 and Galaxy S5 phones.

The Koreans are pretty much taking over in appliances and consumer electronics. My guess they'll do the same in automobiles. These days, you think of Samsung for TVs and cell phones. All Sony has is the Playstation. Oh no!

George Leppla wrote:
> A few weeks ago we bought a new refrigerator. After a lot of looking
> around we decided we wanted a French Door model with lower freezer.
> Ice maker is a must. We shopped our favorite appliance dealer and
> found this:
> http://www.samsung.com/us/appliances...RF28HFEDBSR/AA
>
> The place we buy appliances is a local company that specializes in
> selling floor models, discontinued models, scratch and dent,
> overstocks, etc. They also sell refurbished used appliances. So far
> we have bought a stove, washing machine and now this refrigerator.
>
> This unit is selling at Sears for around $1800. Our refrigerator is
> brand new, has two small dents in the door (one way up high, the other
> way down low). All the protective factory film was still on the unit
> when we got it. We paid $750, including tax and delivery and set
> up.... and removal of our old unit... which they will probably clean
> up, check out and sell for around $150.
>
> The unit is so big that all the doors had to come off to get it into
> the house... and I had to remove the front door.
>
> It is probably too big for our kitchen, but we tend to buy things in
> bulk when they are on sale. We will be remodeling our kitchen this
> Fall... should probably have done that first, but this was too good a
> deal to pass up.
>
> Digital controls... fridge is set at 36 degrees and the freezer at 6
> degrees. I know they recommend Zero degrees but Ice cream gets too
> hard to serve at that temperature. Everything else besides the ice
> cream degrees is rock hard at 6 degrees, so that is where we set it.
>
> Three weeks and everything works perfectly. The ice maker is a bit
> loud, but so was our old one. I like the LED lighting. I find I am
> still opening both doors when I want something from the refrigerator.
> With time, we'll get everything settled in place and only have to open
> one door to grab what we want.
>
> We are pretty happy with this purchase.
>
> George L

Use it in good health. I wish we had space for something like that but
we've got counters and cabintes on both sides and above, and we only can
fit a small one.

-S-

"Steve Freides" > wrote in message
...
> George Leppla wrote:
>> A few weeks ago we bought a new refrigerator. After a lot of looking
>> around we decided we wanted a French Door model with lower freezer. Ice
>> maker is a must. We shopped our favorite appliance dealer and
>> found this:
>> http://www.samsung.com/us/appliances...RF28HFEDBSR/AA
>>
>> The place we buy appliances is a local company that specializes in
>> selling floor models, discontinued models, scratch and dent,
>> overstocks, etc. They also sell refurbished used appliances. So far
>> we have bought a stove, washing machine and now this refrigerator.
>>
>> This unit is selling at Sears for around $1800. Our refrigerator is
>> brand new, has two small dents in the door (one way up high, the other
>> way down low). All the protective factory film was still on the unit
>> when we got it. We paid $750, including tax and delivery and set
>> up.... and removal of our old unit... which they will probably clean
>> up, check out and sell for around $150.
>>
>> The unit is so big that all the doors had to come off to get it into
>> the house... and I had to remove the front door.
>>
>> It is probably too big for our kitchen, but we tend to buy things in
>> bulk when they are on sale. We will be remodeling our kitchen this
>> Fall... should probably have done that first, but this was too good a
>> deal to pass up.
>>
>> Digital controls... fridge is set at 36 degrees and the freezer at 6
>> degrees. I know they recommend Zero degrees but Ice cream gets too
>> hard to serve at that temperature. Everything else besides the ice
>> cream degrees is rock hard at 6 degrees, so that is where we set it.
>>
>> Three weeks and everything works perfectly. The ice maker is a bit
>> loud, but so was our old one. I like the LED lighting. I find I am
>> still opening both doors when I want something from the refrigerator.
>> With time, we'll get everything settled in place and only have to open
>> one door to grab what we want.
>>
>> We are pretty happy with this purchase.
>>
>> George L
>
> Use it in good health. I wish we had space for something like that but
> we've got counters and cabintes on both sides and above, and we only can
> fit a small one.

My kitchen is the same.

On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 00:09:47 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

> All Sony has is the Playstation.

It's probably because Sony was so proprietary. I hated that when I
had a Sony camera. Apple is still getting away with it, probably
because of their Apple aura - but it's a dumb marketing strategy.
Between Playstation and Xbox, Xbox is winning that war - but Sony is
still in the top 100 of Fortune 500 companies, so it's doing fine.
http://www.ehow.com/facts_5031695_so...ation-own.html


--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 08:03:51 -0400, "Steve Freides" >
wrote:

> Use it in good health. I wish we had space for something like that but
> we've got counters and cabintes on both sides and above, and we only can
> fit a small one.

They are made for 30 inch openings now! Not sure if they are counter
depth or what.


--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

On 9/22/2014 10:51 AM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 08:03:51 -0400, "Steve Freides" >
> wrote:
>
>> Use it in good health. I wish we had space for something like that but
>> we've got counters and cabintes on both sides and above, and we only can
>> fit a small one.
>
> They are made for 30 inch openings now! Not sure if they are counter
> depth or what.
>
>

This unit is 36" wide, almost 70 " tall and 35 inches deep... but it is
28.5 cubic ft capacity. This is a monster and way bigger than most
people would need unless they have a big family.

They also make a 26" counter depth unit and we looked at that. I think
it was 21 Cubic ft. We could have lived with that, but the way we buy,
the bigger model was a better choice.... even if it does stick out.
Side by side, the smaller one really looked too small.

George L

"George Leppla" > wrote in message
...
> On 9/22/2014 10:51 AM, sf wrote:
>> On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 08:03:51 -0400, "Steve Freides" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Use it in good health. I wish we had space for something like that but
>>> we've got counters and cabintes on both sides and above, and we only can
>>> fit a small one.
>>
>> They are made for 30 inch openings now! Not sure if they are counter
>> depth or what.
>>
>>
>
> This unit is 36" wide, almost 70 " tall and 35 inches deep... but it is
> 28.5 cubic ft capacity. This is a monster and way bigger than most people
> would need unless they have a big family.
>
> They also make a 26" counter depth unit and we looked at that. I think it
> was 21 Cubic ft. We could have lived with that, but the way we buy, the
> bigger model was a better choice.... even if it does stick out. Side by
> side, the smaller one really looked too small.
>
> George L

I'd sooner have a bigger one like you bought than a smaller one. My MIL had
a small one and it was just a pain to jockey for space. I could easily live
with it sticking out.

Cheri

On Monday, September 22, 2014 5:48:12 AM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 00:09:47 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <>
>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > All Sony has is the Playstation.
>
>
>
> It's probably because Sony was so proprietary. I hated that when I
>
> had a Sony camera. Apple is still getting away with it, probably
>
> because of their Apple aura - but it's a dumb marketing strategy.
>
> Between Playstation and Xbox, Xbox is winning that war - but Sony is
>
> still in the top 100 of Fortune 500 companies, so it's doing fine.
>
> http://www.ehow.com/facts_5031695_so...ation-own.html
>

As far as I know, the PlayStation 4 outsells the Xbox One by a wide margin. The common belief is that Microsoft loses money on every unit it sells. OTOH, Sony's consumer electronics division has fallen on tough times. My sister-in-law worked for them and it seemed like a complete rout and chaos. My guess is that the Sony name will be about as big as Sylvania and Magnavox as far as consumer electronics goes shortly.

>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

Cheri wrote:
> "George Leppla" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 9/22/2014 10:51 AM, sf wrote:
>>> On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 08:03:51 -0400, "Steve Freides" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Use it in good health. I wish we had space for something like
>>>> that but we've got counters and cabintes on both sides and above,
>>>> and we only can fit a small one.
>>>
>>> They are made for 30 inch openings now! Not sure if they are
>>> counter depth or what.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> This unit is 36" wide, almost 70 " tall and 35 inches deep... but it
>> is 28.5 cubic ft capacity. This is a monster and way bigger than
>> most
>> people would need unless they have a big family.
>>
>> They also make a 26" counter depth unit and we looked at that. I
>> think it was 21 Cubic ft. We could have lived with that, but the way
>> we buy, the bigger model was a better choice.... even if it does
>> stick out. Side by side, the smaller one really looked too small.
>>
>> George L
>
> I'd sooner have a bigger one like you bought than a smaller one. My
> MIL had a small one and it was just a pain to jockey for space. I
> could easily live with it sticking out.
>
> Cheri

I think ours is 21 cubic feet. Old house, small kitchen, small
refrigerator nook.

OTOH, I must observe that, now that we try to eat better, we don't have
as much in our refrigerator or freezer. The 'fridge here contains a lot
of leftovers, sometimes things we cook in big batches on purpose, e.g.,
we usually buy sausage 3 lbs. at a time because they give you a $2/lb
break on the price at the local WF if you do that. But especially my
freezer doesn't have a whole lot in it these days.

-S-

"Steve Freides" > wrote in message
...

> I think ours is 21 cubic feet. Old house, small kitchen, small
> refrigerator nook.
>
> OTOH, I must observe that, now that we try to eat better, we don't have as
> much in our refrigerator or freezer. The 'fridge here contains a lot of
> leftovers, sometimes things we cook in big batches on purpose, e.g., we
> usually buy sausage 3 lbs. at a time because they give you a $2/lb break
> on the price at the local WF if you do that. But especially my freezer
> doesn't have a whole lot in it these days.
>
> -S-

I don't have a big one either, old house, small refrigerator nook too, but
if I had the choice I would choose a larger one, especially the freezer
compartment because I like to stock up on sale too.

Cheri

On Monday, September 22, 2014 7:55:12 AM UTC-10, Steve Freides wrote:
> Cheri wrote:
>
> > "George Leppla" > wrote in message
>
> > ...
>
> >> On 9/22/2014 10:51 AM, sf wrote:
>
> >>> On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 08:03:51 -0400, "Steve Freides" >
>
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> Use it in good health. I wish we had space for something like
>
> >>>> that but we've got counters and cabintes on both sides and above,
>
> >>>> and we only can fit a small one.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> They are made for 30 inch openings now! Not sure if they are
>
> >>> counter depth or what.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>
>
> >> This unit is 36" wide, almost 70 " tall and 35 inches deep... but it
>
> >> is 28.5 cubic ft capacity. This is a monster and way bigger than
>
> >> most
>
> >> people would need unless they have a big family.
>
> >>
>
> >> They also make a 26" counter depth unit and we looked at that. I
>
> >> think it was 21 Cubic ft. We could have lived with that, but the way
>
> >> we buy, the bigger model was a better choice.... even if it does
>
> >> stick out. Side by side, the smaller one really looked too small.
>
> >>
>
> >> George L
>
> >
>
> > I'd sooner have a bigger one like you bought than a smaller one. My
>
> > MIL had a small one and it was just a pain to jockey for space. I
>
> > could easily live with it sticking out.
>
> >
>
> > Cheri
>
>
>
> I think ours is 21 cubic feet. Old house, small kitchen, small
>
> refrigerator nook.
>
>
>
> OTOH, I must observe that, now that we try to eat better, we don't have
>
> as much in our refrigerator or freezer. The 'fridge here contains a lot
>
> of leftovers, sometimes things we cook in big batches on purpose, e.g.,
>
> we usually buy sausage 3 lbs. at a time because they give you a $2/lb
>
> break on the price at the local WF if you do that. But especially my
>
> freezer doesn't have a whole lot in it these days.
>
>
>
> -S-

We bought a refrigerator with a lot of space that fit into an standard 31" width space. Super idea! When we put it in, we found out that our dishwasher door hit the door and would not open all the way. Oopsie. So that's how they get that extra room in there. :-)

On 9/22/2014 10:48 AM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 00:09:47 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
>> All Sony has is the Playstation.
>
> It's probably because Sony was so proprietary. I hated that when I
> had a Sony camera. Apple is still getting away with it, probably
> because of their Apple aura - but it's a dumb marketing strategy.
> Between Playstation and Xbox, Xbox is winning that war - but Sony is
> still in the top 100 of Fortune 500 companies, so it's doing fine.
> http://www.ehow.com/facts_5031695_so...ation-own.html
>
>
I had the same issues with a Sony camera. Only *their* batteries, only
*their* memory cards.

I heard that they have changed their practices and now allow generics.

I have one of their HD TVs.

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 9/21/14, 10:16 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> Samsung is on a roll and is doing things right. I buy what seems the
> best to me in quality and value....

The only possible counterpoint is that neither Samsung nor LG does well
in reliability or frequency of repair ratings -- they're generally at
the bottom of the heap.

-- Larry

On 9/21/2014 1:22 PM, Nancy2 wrote:
>
> Samsung has apparently paid a fortune for product placement on TV. I can hardly watch a program
> that doesn't have one in a prominent place.
>
> N.

You are right, I saw our new refrigerator when I was watching Rick
Bayless. Another company that spends a lot of money on product
placement, is Apple. I only know 2 people who have Apple laptops, but
you see them all over television, I just saw one on The Tonight Show
with Jimmy Fallon.

Becca

On 9/22/2014 11:22 AM, Cheri wrote:
>
> "George Leppla" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 9/22/2014 10:51 AM, sf wrote:
>>> On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 08:03:51 -0400, "Steve Freides" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Use it in good health. I wish we had space for something like that but
>>>> we've got counters and cabintes on both sides and above, and we only
>>>> can
>>>> fit a small one.
>>>
>>> They are made for 30 inch openings now! Not sure if they are counter
>>> depth or what.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> This unit is 36" wide, almost 70 " tall and 35 inches deep... but it
>> is 28.5 cubic ft capacity. This is a monster and way bigger than most
>> people would need unless they have a big family.
>>
>> They also make a 26" counter depth unit and we looked at that. I think
>> it was 21 Cubic ft. We could have lived with that, but the way we buy,
>> the bigger model was a better choice.... even if it does stick out.
>> Side by side, the smaller one really looked too small.
>>
>> George L
>
> I'd sooner have a bigger one like you bought than a smaller one. My MIL
> had a small one and it was just a pain to jockey for space. I could
> easily live with it sticking out.
>
> Cheri

What sticks out, are the door handles, which are prominent.

Becca

"Cheri" wrote:
>"Steve Freides" wrote:
>
>> I think ours is 21 cubic feet. Old house, small kitchen, small
>> refrigerator nook.
>>
>> OTOH, I must observe that, now that we try to eat better, we don't have as
>> much in our refrigerator or freezer. The 'fridge here contains a lot of
>> leftovers, sometimes things we cook in big batches on purpose, e.g., we
>> usually buy sausage 3 lbs. at a time because they give you a $2/lb break
>> on the price at the local WF if you do that. But especially my freezer
>> doesn't have a whole lot in it these days.
>
>I don't have a big one either, old house, small refrigerator nook too, but
>if I had the choice I would choose a larger one, especially the freezer
>compartment because I like to stock up on sale too.
>
I found it more advantageous and costs less to have a 2nd refrigerator
freezer. With the two freezers I don't need a stand alone freezer and
just in case one unit goes on the fritz I don't need to worry about
being majorly inconvenienced. I have a large top of the line GE
Profile (23 cu ft) in the kitchen and a smaller (17 cu ft) no frills
used refrigerator freezer in the basement that cost $100 from a local
used appliance store, rarely opened so costs pennies to run and so far
hasn't had a problem in 11 years. The 2nd fridge space is very handy,
especially since I grow veggies. I would always recommend a second
refrigerator freezer rather than a gigantic pricy eye candy unit plus
seperate freezer. I had a 2nd refrigerator freezer at the last place
I lived... I did a lot more entertaining then, the 2nd unit was very
convenient. I think those ice machines, especially those through the
door gizmos greatly shorten the life of the unit. For two people I
don't need an ice machine, when I have company I stop by the local
convenience store for a big bag of Krystal Klear cubes for a couple
bucks. Using that through the door feature constantly cuts the life of
a unit at least by half, plus they make lousy stinky ice. If I needed
a lot of ice I'd buy one of those countertop ice machines, they are
very inexpensive and unlike refrigerator freezer ice machines they are
easy to keep clean, the ice they produce doesn't stink like from EVERY
refrigerator freezer ice machine. I fill my ice cube trays with RO
water or I buy Krystal Klear... the stinky ice from every residential
fridge has ruined my drink and made me want to gack... I don't accept
ice from fridge ice machines, it's worse than drinking water ladled
from their toilet.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "George Leppla" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 9/22/2014 10:51 AM, sf wrote:
>>> On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 08:03:51 -0400, "Steve Freides" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Use it in good health. I wish we had space for something like that but
>>>> we've got counters and cabintes on both sides and above, and we only
>>>> can
>>>> fit a small one.
>>>
>>> They are made for 30 inch openings now! Not sure if they are counter
>>> depth or what.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> This unit is 36" wide, almost 70 " tall and 35 inches deep... but it is
>> 28.5 cubic ft capacity. This is a monster and way bigger than most
>> people would need unless they have a big family.
>>
>> They also make a 26" counter depth unit and we looked at that. I think it
>> was 21 Cubic ft. We could have lived with that, but the way we buy, the
>> bigger model was a better choice.... even if it does stick out. Side by
>> side, the smaller one really looked too small.
>>
>> George L
>
> I'd sooner have a bigger one like you bought than a smaller one. My MIL
> had a small one and it was just a pain to jockey for space. I could easily
> live with it sticking out.

Bigger is always better if it will fit. Mine is just too small which is why
we have two little fridges as well.

"Steve Freides" > wrote in message
...

> I think ours is 21 cubic feet. Old house, small kitchen, small
> refrigerator nook.
>
> OTOH, I must observe that, now that we try to eat better, we don't have as
> much in our refrigerator or freezer. The 'fridge here contains a lot of
> leftovers, sometimes things we cook in big batches on purpose, e.g., we
> usually buy sausage 3 lbs. at a time because they give you a $2/lb break
> on the price at the local WF if you do that. But especially my freezer
> doesn't have a whole lot in it these days.

Mine is about 21 or 22. The problem is that I have one really big eater
here. I'll go to the store and the fridge will be packed full. Then by the
next day there will be lots of empty spots. I also wish I had dedicated
crisper drawers. I don't. There are two drawers but they are not humidity
controlled and the bottom one is particularly bad for produce.

"pltrgyst" > wrote in message
...
> On 9/21/14, 10:16 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> Samsung is on a roll and is doing things right. I buy what seems the
>> best to me in quality and value....
>
> The only possible counterpoint is that neither Samsung nor LG does well in
> reliability or frequency of repair ratings -- they're generally at the
> bottom of the heap.
>
> -- Larry

I got an LG washer and dryer because the reviews said that they rarely break
down. Has that changed?

On 9/22/2014 5:02 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> "Cheri" wrote:
>> "Steve Freides" wrote:
>>
>>> I think ours is 21 cubic feet. Old house, small kitchen, small
>>> refrigerator nook.
>>>
>>> OTOH, I must observe that, now that we try to eat better, we don't have as
>>> much in our refrigerator or freezer. The 'fridge here contains a lot of
>>> leftovers, sometimes things we cook in big batches on purpose, e.g., we
>>> usually buy sausage 3 lbs. at a time because they give you a $2/lb break
>>> on the price at the local WF if you do that. But especially my freezer
>>> doesn't have a whole lot in it these days.
>>
>> I don't have a big one either, old house, small refrigerator nook too, but
>> if I had the choice I would choose a larger one, especially the freezer
>> compartment because I like to stock up on sale too.
>>
> I found it more advantageous and costs less to have a 2nd refrigerator
> freezer. With the two freezers I don't need a stand alone freezer and
> just in case one unit goes on the fritz I don't need to worry about
> being majorly inconvenienced. I have a large top of the line GE
> Profile (23 cu ft) in the kitchen and a smaller (17 cu ft) no frills
> used refrigerator freezer in the basement that cost $100 from a local
> used appliance store, rarely opened so costs pennies to run and so far
> hasn't had a problem in 11 years. The 2nd fridge space is very handy,
> especially since I grow veggies. I would always recommend a second
> refrigerator freezer rather than a gigantic pricy eye candy unit plus
> seperate freezer. I had a 2nd refrigerator freezer at the last place
> I lived... I did a lot more entertaining then, the 2nd unit was very
> convenient. I think those ice machines, especially those through the
> door gizmos greatly shorten the life of the unit. For two people I
> don't need an ice machine, when I have company I stop by the local
> convenience store for a big bag of Krystal Klear cubes for a couple
> bucks. Using that through the door feature constantly cuts the life of
> a unit at least by half, plus they make lousy stinky ice. If I needed
> a lot of ice I'd buy one of those countertop ice machines, they are
> very inexpensive and unlike refrigerator freezer ice machines they are
> easy to keep clean, the ice they produce doesn't stink like from EVERY
> refrigerator freezer ice machine. I fill my ice cube trays with RO
> water or I buy Krystal Klear... the stinky ice from every residential
> fridge has ruined my drink and made me want to gack... I don't accept
> ice from fridge ice machines, it's worse than drinking water ladled
> from their toilet.

Sheldon, we use filtered water so the ice from this refrigerator tastes
just fine.

Becca

Julie Bove wrote:

> Bigger is always better if it will fit. Mine is just too small which
> is why we have two little fridges as well.

I don't agree. Bigger costs more to run, all other things being equal.
We really do try to eat a lot of fresh food - the small one we have
works fine, and we have both our adult-sized sons at home now, too, and
we're fine. My freezer is at least half empty.

-S-

dsi1 wrote:
> We bought a refrigerator with a lot of space that fit into an
> standard 31" width space. Super idea! When we put it in, we found out
> that our dishwasher door hit the door and would not open all the way.
> Oopsie. So that's how they get that extra room in there. :-)

We have a similar thing with our stove. In our old, smalll, kitchen,
the space for the stove is also small, and when our stove died, we got
what we thought was the right size replacement, but we have to open the
oven door to get to the contents of one of the drawers now - not great
but we live with it and just don't keep anything we need very often in
there.

-S-

On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 08:41:28 -0500, Becca EmaNymton
> wrote:
snip
>
>Sheldon, we use filtered water so the ice from this refrigerator tastes
>just fine.
>
>Becca

that certainly helps. If the ice isn't changed out regularly, if the
freezer isn't cleaned regularly, the contents of the freezer pass on
the odors from the things stored in there. I can taste and smell it
too.
Janet US

On 9/23/2014 10:56 AM, Janet Bostwick wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 08:41:28 -0500, Becca EmaNymton
> > wrote:
> snip
>>
>> Sheldon, we use filtered water so the ice from this refrigerator tastes
>> just fine.
>>
>> Becca
>
> that certainly helps. If the ice isn't changed out regularly, if the
> freezer isn't cleaned regularly, the contents of the freezer pass on
> the odors from the things stored in there. I can taste and smell it
> too.
> Janet US
>

In our new refrigerator, there is a water filter and when the filter's
useful life is over, an alarm flashes. Replacing it is easy... a simple
screw in cartridge that is mounted on the back wall of the refrigerator.
I bought a pack of 2 to have on hand.

So the ice and drinking water is filtered. We use enough ice that the
idea of "old ice" picking up odors hasn't ever come into play... even in
our old refrigerator.

Oh... and in this unit, the ice maker isn't in the freezer... it is
located in the upper left corner of the refrigerator and dispenses ice
and water through the door. The ice maker and bin has to be very well
sealed to keep that low temperature since it is separate from the main
freezer, so the likelihood of odors from the refrigerator getting to the
ice is pretty remote.

Moot point. Our old refrigerator didn't have a filter, ran on regular
unfiltered house water and the ice bin was open to the freezer. Never
had an odor problem or taste problem and I think Becca said that unit
was over 20 years old. But again, we use a lot of ice.

George L