My new flatware arrived the other day and now I think I know what happened
to my old set! In looking at various sets online, I saw.

1. Do not leave in tomato containing foods.

2. Do not use lemon dish soap.

Apparently both of these things cause tarnish.

Since two of my spoons had tarnished bowls, I suspect that someone left them
sitting in a bowl of tomato soup or some such thing. And the odd, tarnished
spots on some other pieces may well have come from my dish soap. I used
lemon for years. Either dishwasher or hand wash soap.

The tomato part makes sense. But I never would have suspected my dish soap.

I should note that I did not see this disclaimer on every set that I looked
at. Only some. The sets that I bought did not have this disclaimer.

On Wednesday, October 1, 2014 2:23:36 AM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> My new flatware arrived the other day and now I think I know what happened
> to my old set! In looking at various sets online, I saw.
>
> 1. Do not leave in tomato containing foods.
>
> 2. Do not use lemon dish soap.
>
> Apparently both of these things cause tarnish.
>
> Since two of my spoons had tarnished bowls, I suspect that someone left them
> sitting in a bowl of tomato soup or some such thing. And the odd, tarnished
> spots on some other pieces may well have come from my dish soap. I used
> lemon for years. Either dishwasher or hand wash soap.
>
> The tomato part makes sense. But I never would have suspected my dish soap.
>
> I should note that I did not see this disclaimer on every set that I looked
> at. Only some. The sets that I bought did not have this disclaimer.
>
>
Not all sets being sold today are 18/10 stainless steel; some sets are lower content and are not as sturdy. But I've always heard never to leave to utensils sitting in mustard.

> wrote in message
...
> On Wednesday, October 1, 2014 2:23:36 AM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> My new flatware arrived the other day and now I think I know what
>> happened
>> to my old set! In looking at various sets online, I saw.
>>
>> 1. Do not leave in tomato containing foods.
>>
>> 2. Do not use lemon dish soap.
>>
>> Apparently both of these things cause tarnish.
>>
>> Since two of my spoons had tarnished bowls, I suspect that someone left
>> them
>> sitting in a bowl of tomato soup or some such thing. And the odd,
>> tarnished
>> spots on some other pieces may well have come from my dish soap. I used
>> lemon for years. Either dishwasher or hand wash soap.
>>
>> The tomato part makes sense. But I never would have suspected my dish
>> soap.
>>
>> I should note that I did not see this disclaimer on every set that I
>> looked
>> at. Only some. The sets that I bought did not have this disclaimer.
>>
>>
> Not all sets being sold today are 18/10 stainless steel; some sets are
> lower content and are not as sturdy. But I've always heard never to leave
> to utensils sitting in mustard.

I hadn't heard that one but I can't really think of a situation where that
might happen. Not sure what the new sets are made of but they look much
nicer in person and I am pleased with the weight, balance and sturdiness of
them. I hate lightweight or unbalanced flatware.

On Wed, 1 Oct 2014 00:54:05 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, October 1, 2014 2:23:36 AM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> My new flatware arrived the other day and now I think I know what happened
>> to my old set! In looking at various sets online, I saw.
>>
>> 1. Do not leave in tomato containing foods.
>>
>> 2. Do not use lemon dish soap.
>>
>> Apparently both of these things cause tarnish.
>>
>> Since two of my spoons had tarnished bowls, I suspect that someone left them
>> sitting in a bowl of tomato soup or some such thing. And the odd, tarnished
>> spots on some other pieces may well have come from my dish soap. I used
>> lemon for years. Either dishwasher or hand wash soap.
>>
>> The tomato part makes sense. But I never would have suspected my dish soap.
>>
>> I should note that I did not see this disclaimer on every set that I looked
>> at. Only some. The sets that I bought did not have this disclaimer.
>>
>>
>Not all sets being sold today are 18/10 stainless steel; some sets are
>lower content and are not as sturdy. But I've always heard
>never to leave to utensils sitting in mustard.

Contact with any metal ruins mustard; use wood, bone, horn, ceramic,
even plastic.

On 10/1/2014 2:23 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> My new flatware arrived the other day and now I think I know what
> happened to my old set! In looking at various sets online, I saw.
>
> 1. Do not leave in tomato containing foods.
>
> 2. Do not use lemon dish soap.
>
> Apparently both of these things cause tarnish.
>
> Since two of my spoons had tarnished bowls, I suspect that someone left
> them sitting in a bowl of tomato soup or some such thing. And the odd,
> tarnished spots on some other pieces may well have come from my dish
> soap. I used lemon for years. Either dishwasher or hand wash soap.
>
> The tomato part makes sense. But I never would have suspected my dish
> soap.
>
> I should note that I did not see this disclaimer on every set that I
> looked at. Only some. The sets that I bought did not have this
> disclaimer.

I use stainless steel flatware for everyday use and I have never had a
problem with tomato products or dish soap.

Why would one use silver plate for everyday and not stainless?

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

Janet, the question is why....today.....anyone would use silver plated flatware at all.
Stainless for everyday and sterling for formal occasions, is what I like. Back in the
day, silver plate was a cheaper flatware for people who couldn't afford sterling, or
was a suitable substitute for everyday use. Stainless flatware wasn't available yet.

Today's stainless, in an 18/10 or 18/8 specified weight and composition is very sturdy, generally
doesn't discolor, and is used for both everyday and more formal occasions. I can't see any
reason to buy silver plate flatware today. Of course, I am of a generation which intended to
pick out one pattern for everyday and one for more formal dinners, and use that forever.
Today's culture is different.

N.

On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 08:44:22 -0500, Janet Wilder >
wrote:

> I use stainless steel flatware for everyday use and I have never had a
> problem with tomato products or dish soap.

Me either.
>
> Why would one use silver plate for everyday and not stainless?

I did for a long time. I ordered it back in the days before PCs, when
we did catalog orders via snail mail. The set came in both stainless
and silver plate. I ordered stainless, they sent silver plate. I
didn't send it back and used it for 15-20 years. I got a new set
because the plating on a few of the fork tines was getting thin. I
figured I'd probably used that set as long as anyone uses SS, so I
bought another set and this time it's stainless.


--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

On Wed, 1 Oct 2014 00:54:05 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:



>>
>>
>Not all sets being sold today are 18/10 stainless steel; some sets are lower content and are not as sturdy. But I've always heard never to leave to utensils sitting in mustard.

We bought new flatware about 2 years ago. The set we liked was 18/0. I
was reluctant, but bought it anyway. It is washed in the DW every
time and still looks as good as the day it was new. We use Cascade
Platinum and it comes out perfect.

I'll give you an updated report in 10 more years, but so far, this is
perfectly serviceable at 18/0.

On Wednesday, October 1, 2014 12:46:53 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> On Wed, 1 Oct 2014 00:54:05 -0700 (PDT), "
>
> > wrote:
>
> >Not all sets being sold today are 18/10 stainless steel; some sets are lower content and are not as sturdy. But I've always heard never to leave to utensils sitting in mustard.
>
>
> We bought new flatware about 2 years ago. The set we liked was 18/0. I
> was reluctant, but bought it anyway.
> I'll give you an updated report in 10 more years, but so far, this is
> perfectly serviceable at 18/0.
>
>
I'll be waiting! ;-)

In article >,
"Julie Bove" > wrote:

> > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Wednesday, October 1, 2014 2:23:36 AM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
> >>
> >> My new flatware arrived the other day and now I think I know what
> >> happened
> >> to my old set! In looking at various sets online, I saw.
> >>
> >> 1. Do not leave in tomato containing foods.
> >>
> >> 2. Do not use lemon dish soap.
> >>
> >> Apparently both of these things cause tarnish.
> >>
> >> Since two of my spoons had tarnished bowls, I suspect that someone left
> >> them
> >> sitting in a bowl of tomato soup or some such thing. And the odd,
> >> tarnished
> >> spots on some other pieces may well have come from my dish soap. I used
> >> lemon for years. Either dishwasher or hand wash soap.
> >>
> >> The tomato part makes sense. But I never would have suspected my dish
> >> soap.
> >>
> >> I should note that I did not see this disclaimer on every set that I
> >> looked
> >> at. Only some. The sets that I bought did not have this disclaimer.
> >>
> >>
> > Not all sets being sold today are 18/10 stainless steel; some sets are
> > lower content and are not as sturdy. But I've always heard never to leave
> > to utensils sitting in mustard.
>
> I hadn't heard that one but I can't really think of a situation where that
> might happen. Not sure what the new sets are made of but they look much
> nicer in person and I am pleased with the weight, balance and sturdiness of
> them. I hate lightweight or unbalanced flatware.

how perfect that you bought a flatware set and don't know what it is
made of

On Wednesday, October 1, 2014 3:23:36 AM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
> My new flatware arrived the other day and now I think I know what
> happened to my old set!

Julie, you bought your new flatware at Walmart. The stuff you bought is now on sale at $19 for a 45-piece set. It's garbage.

>In looking at various sets online, I saw. 1. Do not leave in tomato
>containing foods. 2. Do not use lemon dish soap. Apparently both of
>these things cause tarnish.

Your new flatware is stainless steel, and your old flatware probably
was, too. Stainless does not tarnish. Silver tarnishes.
Crappy stainless will rust and discolor. What do you suppose the
lemon in dish soap is? Magic fairy dust?

>Since two of my spoons had tarnished bowls, I suspect that someone
>left them sitting in a bowl of tomato soup or some such thing. And
>the odd, tarnished spots on some other pieces may well have come
>from my dish soap. I used lemon for years. Either dishwasher or
>hand wash soap. The tomato part makes sense. But I never would have
>suspected my dish soap. I should note that I did not see this
>disclaimer on every set that I looked at. Only some. The sets that
>I bought did not have this disclaimer.

However, they should have.

I've been using lemon dish soap, leaving my flatware in tomato sauce,
and generally using it hard for 20 years. It looks fine.

You bought garbage, and now you're suffering for it.

Cindy Hamilton

On Wednesday, October 1, 2014 3:23:36 AM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
> My new flatware arrived the other day and now I think I know what happened
>
> to my old set! In looking at various sets online, I saw.
>
>
>
> 1. Do not leave in tomato containing foods.
>
>
>
> 2. Do not use lemon dish soap.
>
>
>
> Apparently both of these things cause tarnish.
>
>
>
> Since two of my spoons had tarnished bowls, I suspect that someone left them
>
> sitting in a bowl of tomato soup or some such thing. And the odd, tarnished
>
> spots on some other pieces may well have come from my dish soap. I used
>
> lemon for years. Either dishwasher or hand wash soap.
>
>
>
> The tomato part makes sense. But I never would have suspected my dish soap.
>
>
>
> I should note that I did not see this disclaimer on every set that I looked
>
> at. Only some. The sets that I bought did not have this disclaimer.

The rich buy once, the poor buy forever.

On 10/1/2014 8:44 AM, Janet Wilder wrote:
> On 10/1/2014 2:23 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> My new flatware arrived the other day and now I think I know what
>> happened to my old set! In looking at various sets online, I saw.
>>
>> 1. Do not leave in tomato containing foods.
>>
>> 2. Do not use lemon dish soap.
>>
>> Apparently both of these things cause tarnish.
>>
>> Since two of my spoons had tarnished bowls, I suspect that someone left
>> them sitting in a bowl of tomato soup or some such thing. And the odd,
>> tarnished spots on some other pieces may well have come from my dish
>> soap. I used lemon for years. Either dishwasher or hand wash soap.
>>
>> The tomato part makes sense. But I never would have suspected my dish
>> soap.
>>
>> I should note that I did not see this disclaimer on every set that I
>> looked at. Only some. The sets that I bought did not have this
>> disclaimer.
>
> I use stainless steel flatware for everyday use and I have never had a
> problem with tomato products or dish soap.
>
> Why would one use silver plate for everyday and not stainless?

There's no logic whatsoever to the bovine's melodramatic situation with
its flatware, or indeed any other of its fictitious and frivolous
scenarios. It just likes to invent ridiculously idiotic situations to
satisfy its deep need to garner personal attention. Besides, it never
wants to try or use any reasonable solution that's suggested here to
resolve its problems, since its response is always 'cannot or will not
do that because . . . . . . '!

Sky

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 1 Oct 2014 00:54:05 -0700 (PDT), "
> > wrote:
>
>>On Wednesday, October 1, 2014 2:23:36 AM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> My new flatware arrived the other day and now I think I know what
>>> happened
>>> to my old set! In looking at various sets online, I saw.
>>>
>>> 1. Do not leave in tomato containing foods.
>>>
>>> 2. Do not use lemon dish soap.
>>>
>>> Apparently both of these things cause tarnish.
>>>
>>> Since two of my spoons had tarnished bowls, I suspect that someone left
>>> them
>>> sitting in a bowl of tomato soup or some such thing. And the odd,
>>> tarnished
>>> spots on some other pieces may well have come from my dish soap. I used
>>> lemon for years. Either dishwasher or hand wash soap.
>>>
>>> The tomato part makes sense. But I never would have suspected my dish
>>> soap.
>>>
>>> I should note that I did not see this disclaimer on every set that I
>>> looked
>>> at. Only some. The sets that I bought did not have this disclaimer.
>>>
>>>
>>Not all sets being sold today are 18/10 stainless steel; some sets are
>>lower content and are not as sturdy. But I've always heard
>>never to leave to utensils sitting in mustard.
>
> Contact with any metal ruins mustard; use wood, bone, horn, ceramic,
> even plastic.

I almost always buy mustard in squeeze bottles. I had some little Hickory
Farms jars but they were very small. One or two uses.

"Nancy2" > wrote in message
...
> Janet, the question is why....today.....anyone would use silver plated
> flatware at all.
> Stainless for everyday and sterling for formal occasions, is what I like.
> Back in the
> day, silver plate was a cheaper flatware for people who couldn't afford
> sterling, or
> was a suitable substitute for everyday use. Stainless flatware wasn't
> available yet.
>
> Today's stainless, in an 18/10 or 18/8 specified weight and composition is
> very sturdy, generally
> doesn't discolor, and is used for both everyday and more formal occasions.
> I can't see any
> reason to buy silver plate flatware today. Of course, I am of a
> generation which intended to
> pick out one pattern for everyday and one for more formal dinners, and use
> that forever.
> Today's culture is different.
>
> N.

Mine is stainless. My my mom had stainless but went through many, many sets
of the stuff. I had her first three sets. The problem was that she kept
buying service for 4 which really wasn't enough for a family of 4. She also
never had any completer pieces., although I think that one set came with a
big serving fork and spoon.

One day when I was ad adult, she gifted me with a ladle saying that she had
always wanted one as it sure would have come in handy. I just sort of
blinked, not quite being able to take that in. I well remember her using a
tiny Melmac coffee cup to dish up soups and stews. And she always
complained about it. But she had never mentioned a ladle to anyone. We'd
had dime stores and by then there were dollar stores so cost couldn't have
been an issue. I just could see no reason why she would have done without a
ladle all those years! I also couldn't see why she would buy something that
wasn't enough. As in only a 4 piece place setting.

In much later years, if the extended family came to eat at her house, there
were 9 or more people. So she eventually got enough matching flatware for
all.

She also had the silver plated, but she was the only one who seemed to like
using it. It was a pain. Always needing to be polished. The rest of us
just didn't care.

On 10/1/2014 3:24 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> I've been using lemon dish soap, leaving my flatware in tomato sauce,
> and generally using it hard for 20 years. It looks fine.

Dishwasher detergent is supposed to be harsh, look what the
powdered stuff would do to drinking glasses, and my flatware
was never damaged by it. Nothing ever bothers it, not my
old stuff, not my new stuff.

nancy

"Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
...
> On Wednesday, October 1, 2014 3:23:36 AM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
>> My new flatware arrived the other day and now I think I know what
>> happened to my old set!
>
> Julie, you bought your new flatware at Walmart. The stuff you bought is
> now on sale at $19 for a 45-piece set. It's garbage.

Why would you say that it's garbage? I live in a house where the forks
disappeared and then the spoons. I am not going to buy expensive stuff when
someone in this house just doesn't care what happens to it.

It looks very good and it got good reviews.
>
>>In looking at various sets online, I saw. 1. Do not leave in tomato
>>containing foods. 2. Do not use lemon dish soap. Apparently both of
>>these things cause tarnish.
>
> Your new flatware is stainless steel, and your old flatware probably
> was, too. Stainless does not tarnish. Silver tarnishes.
> Crappy stainless will rust and discolor. What do you suppose the
> lemon in dish soap is? Magic fairy dust?
>
>>Since two of my spoons had tarnished bowls, I suspect that someone
>>left them sitting in a bowl of tomato soup or some such thing. And
>>the odd, tarnished spots on some other pieces may well have come
>>from my dish soap. I used lemon for years. Either dishwasher or
>>hand wash soap. The tomato part makes sense. But I never would have
>>suspected my dish soap. I should note that I did not see this
>>disclaimer on every set that I looked at. Only some. The sets that
>>I bought did not have this disclaimer.
>
> However, they should have.
>
> I've been using lemon dish soap, leaving my flatware in tomato sauce,
> and generally using it hard for 20 years. It looks fine.
>
> You bought garbage, and now you're suffering for it.

What? The flatware I mentioned that tarnished did *not* come from Walmart.
The new sets came from there. I don't know where the original set came from
but most likely the Bon Marche, which is now Macy's. My brother bought it
and he doesn't buy cheap things. It was a wedding gift.

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/1/2014 3:24 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>> I've been using lemon dish soap, leaving my flatware in tomato sauce,
>> and generally using it hard for 20 years. It looks fine.
>
> Dishwasher detergent is supposed to be harsh, look what the
> powdered stuff would do to drinking glasses, and my flatware
> was never damaged by it. Nothing ever bothers it, not my
> old stuff, not my new stuff.

I quit using my dishwasher for the most part. Whatever I used to use must
have been very harsh. One set of glasses was reduced to powder. It ate the
pattern off of my plates. Took the shine off of my pot handles. Mostly I
bought whatever cheap stuff they had at the military commissary.

I might use the dishwasher 2-3 times a year now. It's nice to have the
option when I do have a lot of dishes at once. But mostly I find it is
easier and quicker just to wash by hand. And that isn't wrecking anything.

On Wed, 1 Oct 2014 15:13:27 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>"Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
...
>> On Wednesday, October 1, 2014 3:23:36 AM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> My new flatware arrived the other day and now I think I know what
>>> happened to my old set!
>>
>> Julie, you bought your new flatware at Walmart. The stuff you bought is
>> now on sale at $19 for a 45-piece set. It's garbage.
>
>Why would you say that it's garbage?

Err... the PRICE, perhaps??

>I live in a house where the forks
>disappeared and then the spoons. I am not going to buy expensive stuff when
>someone in this house just doesn't care what happens to it.

ROTFL. I grudgingly have to give you credit for your imagination.
The implications of this latest claim is most interesting,
particularly for a family environment.

On 2014-10-01 6:44 PM, Jeßus wrote:

>> I live in a house where the forks
>> disappeared and then the spoons. I am not going to buy expensive stuff when
>> someone in this house just doesn't care what happens to it.
>
> ROTFL. I grudgingly have to give you credit for your imagination.
> The implications of this latest claim is most interesting,
> particularly for a family environment.
>


I hope you people appreciate how hard I am trying not to get sucked into
the vortex of dysfunction.

On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 19:10:28 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2014-10-01 6:44 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>
>>> I live in a house where the forks
>>> disappeared and then the spoons. I am not going to buy expensive stuff when
>>> someone in this house just doesn't care what happens to it.
>>
>> ROTFL. I grudgingly have to give you credit for your imagination.
>> The implications of this latest claim is most interesting,
>> particularly for a family environment.
>
>I hope you people appreciate how hard I am trying not to get sucked into
>the vortex of dysfunction.

Yes, I've noticed

On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 15:56:18 -0500, Sky >
wrote:

>On 10/1/2014 8:44 AM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>> On 10/1/2014 2:23 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> My new flatware arrived the other day and now I think I know what
>>> happened to my old set! In looking at various sets online, I saw.
>>>
>>> 1. Do not leave in tomato containing foods.
>>>
>>> 2. Do not use lemon dish soap.
>>>
>>> Apparently both of these things cause tarnish.
>>>
>>> Since two of my spoons had tarnished bowls, I suspect that someone left
>>> them sitting in a bowl of tomato soup or some such thing. And the odd,
>>> tarnished spots on some other pieces may well have come from my dish
>>> soap. I used lemon for years. Either dishwasher or hand wash soap.
>>>
>>> The tomato part makes sense. But I never would have suspected my dish
>>> soap.
>>>
>>> I should note that I did not see this disclaimer on every set that I
>>> looked at. Only some. The sets that I bought did not have this
>>> disclaimer.
>>
>> I use stainless steel flatware for everyday use and I have never had a
>> problem with tomato products or dish soap.
>>
>> Why would one use silver plate for everyday and not stainless?
>
>There's no logic whatsoever to the bovine's melodramatic situation with
>its flatware, or indeed any other of its fictitious and frivolous
>scenarios. It just likes to invent ridiculously idiotic situations to
>satisfy its deep need to garner personal attention. Besides, it never
>wants to try or use any reasonable solution that's suggested here to
>resolve its problems, since its response is always 'cannot or will not
>do that because . . . . . . '!

My everyday flatware is SS, been in use more than forty years, has
never tarnished/discolored. I bought new SS flatware from Williams
Sonoma some ten years ago, used for company, it's hand washed... never
tarnishes/discolors. I have one set of silver plate and one set of
solid silver, both were my grandparents brought from Latvia, very
ornate but I don't use them as they tarnish easily and require
polishing... ever so often I look at them, always an amber hue from
tarnish... I can keep them wrapped in anti-tarnish cloth but then I'd
need to unwrap to look and I never use them anyway. By today's
standards they are very over sized and heavy, soup spoons are more
like ladles.

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 15:56:18 -0500, Sky >
> wrote:
>
>>On 10/1/2014 8:44 AM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>>> On 10/1/2014 2:23 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> My new flatware arrived the other day and now I think I know what
>>>> happened to my old set! In looking at various sets online, I saw.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Do not leave in tomato containing foods.
>>>>
>>>> 2. Do not use lemon dish soap.
>>>>
>>>> Apparently both of these things cause tarnish.
>>>>
>>>> Since two of my spoons had tarnished bowls, I suspect that someone left
>>>> them sitting in a bowl of tomato soup or some such thing. And the odd,
>>>> tarnished spots on some other pieces may well have come from my dish
>>>> soap. I used lemon for years. Either dishwasher or hand wash soap.
>>>>
>>>> The tomato part makes sense. But I never would have suspected my dish
>>>> soap.
>>>>
>>>> I should note that I did not see this disclaimer on every set that I
>>>> looked at. Only some. The sets that I bought did not have this
>>>> disclaimer.
>>>
>>> I use stainless steel flatware for everyday use and I have never had a
>>> problem with tomato products or dish soap.
>>>
>>> Why would one use silver plate for everyday and not stainless?
>>
>>There's no logic whatsoever to the bovine's melodramatic situation with
>>its flatware, or indeed any other of its fictitious and frivolous
>>scenarios. It just likes to invent ridiculously idiotic situations to
>>satisfy its deep need to garner personal attention. Besides, it never
>>wants to try or use any reasonable solution that's suggested here to
>>resolve its problems, since its response is always 'cannot or will not
>>do that because . . . . . . '!
>
> My everyday flatware is SS, been in use more than forty years, has
> never tarnished/discolored. I bought new SS flatware from Williams
> Sonoma some ten years ago, used for company, it's hand washed... never
> tarnishes/discolors. I have one set of silver plate and one set of
> solid silver, both were my grandparents brought from Latvia, very
> ornate but I don't use them as they tarnish easily and require
> polishing... ever so often I look at them, always an amber hue from
> tarnish... I can keep them wrapped in anti-tarnish cloth but then I'd
> need to unwrap to look and I never use them anyway. By today's
> standards they are very over sized and heavy, soup spoons are more
> like ladles.

I only had two spoons that tarnished. But some of the knives and spoons got
an odd, dirty look to them and it wouldn't clean off.

On 10/1/2014 9:00 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
> Janet, the question is why....today.....anyone would use silver plated flatware at all.
> Stainless for everyday and sterling for formal occasions, is what I like. Back in the
> day, silver plate was a cheaper flatware for people who couldn't afford sterling, or
> was a suitable substitute for everyday use. Stainless flatware wasn't available yet.
>
> Today's stainless, in an 18/10 or 18/8 specified weight and composition is very sturdy, generally
> doesn't discolor, and is used for both everyday and more formal occasions. I can't see any
> reason to buy silver plate flatware today. Of course, I am of a generation which intended to
> pick out one pattern for everyday and one for more formal dinners, and use that forever.
> Today's culture is different.
>
> N.
>

I never had silver or silver plate. I had "formal" stainless which was
very expensive and very heavy. I sold it along with the "formal" china
when we sold our house in New Jersey in 1996. At that point both sets
were 30 years old and the flatware was as good as new.

Today I have a service for 8 "formal" stainless that I got on sale at
Tuesday Morning. It goes with my "formal" china that I bought for $5
for 4 place settings on a Tuesday (senior 10% discount) at Ross. I have
never had anyone complain or remark about my "fancy" table settings. For
all they know, I could have paid hundreds. People I entertain are much
more into what's on the plate. If the food is good, I could serve it on
paper plates from WalMart with plastic flatware and people will enjoy it.

BTW, I've never ever had any stainless flatware discolor or "tarnish".
I've had a dishwasher for the most part since the mid 1970's.

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 10/1/2014 5:44 PM, wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Oct 2014 15:13:27 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Wednesday, October 1, 2014 3:23:36 AM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> My new flatware arrived the other day and now I think I know what
>>>> happened to my old set!
>>>
>>> Julie, you bought your new flatware at Walmart. The stuff you bought is
>>> now on sale at $19 for a 45-piece set. It's garbage.
>>
>> Why would you say that it's garbage?
>
> Err... the PRICE, perhaps??
>
>> I live in a house where the forks
>> disappeared and then the spoons. I am not going to buy expensive stuff when
>> someone in this house just doesn't care what happens to it.
>
> ROTFL. I grudgingly have to give you credit for your imagination.
> The implications of this latest claim is most interesting,
> particularly for a family environment.
>

When I raised teenagers, my flatware and dishes would disappear. When
there was enough missing, I would put on a mask and gloves and venture
into my son's room and retrieve dishes and flatware. Generally it would
have to be soaked for several hours before being fit for the dishwasher
to sterilize on the hottest of wash and dry settings.

We wouldn't even let the dog in his room as we couldn't find appropriate
vaccines for "teenage boy's room" :-)

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 10/1/2014 7:14 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 15:56:18 -0500, Sky >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/1/2014 8:44 AM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>>>> On 10/1/2014 2:23 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>> My new flatware arrived the other day and now I think I know what
>>>>> happened to my old set! In looking at various sets online, I saw.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Do not leave in tomato containing foods.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Do not use lemon dish soap.
>>>>>
>>>>> Apparently both of these things cause tarnish.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since two of my spoons had tarnished bowls, I suspect that someone
>>>>> left
>>>>> them sitting in a bowl of tomato soup or some such thing. And the
>>>>> odd,
>>>>> tarnished spots on some other pieces may well have come from my dish
>>>>> soap. I used lemon for years. Either dishwasher or hand wash soap.
>>>>>
>>>>> The tomato part makes sense. But I never would have suspected my dish
>>>>> soap.
>>>>>
>>>>> I should note that I did not see this disclaimer on every set that I
>>>>> looked at. Only some. The sets that I bought did not have this
>>>>> disclaimer.
>>>>
>>>> I use stainless steel flatware for everyday use and I have never had a
>>>> problem with tomato products or dish soap.
>>>>
>>>> Why would one use silver plate for everyday and not stainless?
>>>
>>> There's no logic whatsoever to the bovine's melodramatic situation with
>>> its flatware, or indeed any other of its fictitious and frivolous
>>> scenarios. It just likes to invent ridiculously idiotic situations to
>>> satisfy its deep need to garner personal attention. Besides, it never
>>> wants to try or use any reasonable solution that's suggested here to
>>> resolve its problems, since its response is always 'cannot or will not
>>> do that because . . . . . . '!
>>
>> My everyday flatware is SS, been in use more than forty years, has
>> never tarnished/discolored. I bought new SS flatware from Williams
>> Sonoma some ten years ago, used for company, it's hand washed... never
>> tarnishes/discolors. I have one set of silver plate and one set of
>> solid silver, both were my grandparents brought from Latvia, very
>> ornate but I don't use them as they tarnish easily and require
>> polishing... ever so often I look at them, always an amber hue from
>> tarnish... I can keep them wrapped in anti-tarnish cloth but then I'd
>> need to unwrap to look and I never use them anyway. By today's
>> standards they are very over sized and heavy, soup spoons are more
>> like ladles.
>
> I only had two spoons that tarnished. But some of the knives and spoons
> got an odd, dirty look to them and it wouldn't clean off.

Do you have hard water? It could be the chemicals in your water that
are giving your flatware an "odd, dirty look"

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

Janet Wilder wrote:
>
>I never had silver or silver plate. I had "formal" stainless which was
>very expensive and very heavy. I sold it along with the "formal" china
>when we sold our house in New Jersey in 1996. At that point both sets
>were 30 years old and the flatware was as good as new.

If it was good as new why did you sell it... not like a set of
flatware needs more than a shoebox to move.

On 10/1/2014 6:44 PM, Jeßus wrote:

>> I live in a house where the forks
>> disappeared and then the spoons. I am not going to buy expensive stuff when
>> someone in this house just doesn't care what happens to it.
>
> ROTFL. I grudgingly have to give you credit for your imagination.
> The implications of this latest claim is most interesting,
> particularly for a family environment.
>

Why do you question that? We had a similar problem when the kids were
teenagers. They'd take a snack or dish along with a utensil and go off
in a car and leave the stuff behind.

On 10/1/2014 8:38 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> Janet Wilder wrote:
>>
>> I never had silver or silver plate. I had "formal" stainless which was
>> very expensive and very heavy. I sold it along with the "formal" china
>> when we sold our house in New Jersey in 1996. At that point both sets
>> were 30 years old and the flatware was as good as new.
>
> If it was good as new why did you sell it... not like a set of
> flatware needs more than a shoebox to move.
>

I had limited space and weight capacity living in an RV for 9 years.


--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/1/2014 6:44 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>
>>> I live in a house where the forks
>>> disappeared and then the spoons. I am not going to buy expensive stuff
>>> when
>>> someone in this house just doesn't care what happens to it.
>>
>> ROTFL. I grudgingly have to give you credit for your imagination.
>> The implications of this latest claim is most interesting,
>> particularly for a family environment.
>>
>
> Why do you question that? We had a similar problem when the kids were
> teenagers. They'd take a snack or dish along with a utensil and go off in
> a car and leave the stuff behind.

I once found a fork in a box of cereal. I would have blamed my daughter as
she only will use forks and not spoons for most things but it wasn't a kind
of cereal she would eat.

What I discovered recently and I had posted this before is this:

We had been using this plastic flatware. Why plastic? Because for some
reason, husband started demanding it and daughter refused to use the real
flatware, having decided that it was dirty and couldn't be cleaned.

http://www.amazon.com/Pieces-Reflect...tic+silverware

Please note that this is not the price that I paid for it. Target and some
other stores marked this stuff down next to nothing after Christmas last
year and I bought a ton of it. I also bought some more at Amazon while down
on the couch but it is all gone now.

The problem here? Our regular flatware looked exactly like this! I had
noticed that we had less and less spoons in the drawer. AFAIK, I was the
only one ever using the real flatware, unless we had soup or some such thing
and then I would give the eater one of the larger, real spoons.

But while I was working in the kitchen, husband came in, took a spoon out of
the drawer and left. No food. Just the spoon. So I said to him, "Wait a
minute! You're not throwing out the real spoons are you?"

And his response? "Well, I'm putting them in the sink!"

Then a sense of dread came over me. Although I can not prove any of this, I
suspect that Angela and I were unwittingly throwing them away. He tends to
leave plates and bowls of food around his chair or at best will put them on
the cutting board in the kitchen. It is rare for him to throw away any
trash and when he does put something in the trash, it is almost always
something that does not belong in there. Like egg shells.

So, knowing that he preferred the plastic flatware and knowing that I only
ever gave it to him for him to eat with unless it was soup/chili/stew, and
those would be bigger spoons, most of which I seemed to still have, we were
just tossing the paper bowls and plates into the trash or into the food
waste bin, depending on where they belonged and tossing the spoons out.

Meanwhile, he was probably sitting there and laughing about the whole thing.

At any rate, that won't be happening now. I have new flatware and I am
going to try transitioning them over to using it at least for meals. I
don't mind the plastic stuff so much if they are going out the door and
taking a cup of yogurt or something but not for meals. And they can't use
the excuse now that the flatware is filthy. It wasn't filthy or dirty or
anything of the sort. Just a few pieces were tarnished. The problem is
that the two spoons that got the worst, got that way right away so in my
husband's mind, they were bad and unsafe to use for eating.

That's the best that I can explain it. Some people have hang-ups about
things. Why? I don't know. I grew up in a house where I had parents with
weird hang ups and rules that could only possibly make sense to them. So
that in and of itself isn't usual to me. Not normal, I know but I am used
to it so... Yeah. That about sums it up.

And now? I am going to go see to the bread dough I have rising.

On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 20:34:16 -0500, Janet Wilder >
wrote:

>On 10/1/2014 5:44 PM, wrote:
>> On Wed, 1 Oct 2014 15:13:27 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Wednesday, October 1, 2014 3:23:36 AM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>> My new flatware arrived the other day and now I think I know what
>>>>> happened to my old set!
>>>>
>>>> Julie, you bought your new flatware at Walmart. The stuff you bought is
>>>> now on sale at $19 for a 45-piece set. It's garbage.
>>>
>>> Why would you say that it's garbage?
>>
>> Err... the PRICE, perhaps??
>>
>>> I live in a house where the forks
>>> disappeared and then the spoons. I am not going to buy expensive stuff when
>>> someone in this house just doesn't care what happens to it.
>>
>> ROTFL. I grudgingly have to give you credit for your imagination.
>> The implications of this latest claim is most interesting,
>> particularly for a family environment.
>>
>
>When I raised teenagers, my flatware and dishes would disappear. When
>there was enough missing, I would put on a mask and gloves and venture
>into my son's room and retrieve dishes and flatware. Generally it would
>have to be soaked for several hours before being fit for the dishwasher
>to sterilize on the hottest of wash and dry settings.
>
>We wouldn't even let the dog in his room as we couldn't find appropriate
>vaccines for "teenage boy's room" :-)

LOL, I have actually seen teenager rooms like that - all sorts of
interesting furry things growing on the plates and cutlery... and the
worst offender was a female too

On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 22:21:08 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 10/1/2014 6:44 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>
>>> I live in a house where the forks
>>> disappeared and then the spoons. I am not going to buy expensive stuff when
>>> someone in this house just doesn't care what happens to it.
>>
>> ROTFL. I grudgingly have to give you credit for your imagination.
>> The implications of this latest claim is most interesting,
>> particularly for a family environment.
>>
>
>Why do you question that?

Mainly because it's only spoons and forks, and not plates and cups as
well. Although Julie might have omitted mentioning plates and cups for
some unknown reason.

>We had a similar problem when the kids were
>teenagers. They'd take a snack or dish along with a utensil and go off
>in a car and leave the stuff behind.

Great...

On Wed, 1 Oct 2014 19:57:18 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:


>I once found a fork in a box of cereal. I would have blamed my daughter as
>she only will use forks and not spoons for most things but it wasn't a kind
>of cereal she would eat.

And how does she fare with the milk?
Presumably it stays in the bowl if using a fork...

On 10/1/2014 8:34 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
> On 10/1/2014 5:44 PM, wrote:
>> On Wed, 1 Oct 2014 15:13:27 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Wednesday, October 1, 2014 3:23:36 AM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>> My new flatware arrived the other day and now I think I know what
>>>>> happened to my old set!
>>>>
>>>> Julie, you bought your new flatware at Walmart. The stuff you
>>>> bought is
>>>> now on sale at $19 for a 45-piece set. It's garbage.
>>>
>>> Why would you say that it's garbage?
>>
>> Err... the PRICE, perhaps??
>>
>>> I live in a house where the forks
>>> disappeared and then the spoons. I am not going to buy expensive
>>> stuff when
>>> someone in this house just doesn't care what happens to it.
>>
>> ROTFL. I grudgingly have to give you credit for your imagination.
>> The implications of this latest claim is most interesting,
>> particularly for a family environment.
>>
>
> When I raised teenagers, my flatware and dishes would disappear. When
> there was enough missing, I would put on a mask and gloves and venture
> into my son's room and retrieve dishes and flatware. Generally it would
> have to be soaked for several hours before being fit for the dishwasher
> to sterilize on the hottest of wash and dry settings.
>
> We wouldn't even let the dog in his room as we couldn't find appropriate
> vaccines for "teenage boy's room" :-)

Janet, I had a good laugh, when I read this. My youngest son was the
same way, it started when he was about 12 yrs old and it was just awful,
I could not stand the smell. I would warn him that he needed to clean
his room, or I would clean it for him. I went looking for flatware and
dishes, and as I trudged through his room, I would find spark plugs,
scissors, wrenches, screwdrivers. It got better a few years later when
girls started to visit, he cleaned his room, then.

Becca

On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 22:21:08 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 10/1/2014 6:44 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>
>>> I live in a house where the forks
>>> disappeared and then the spoons. I am not going to buy expensive stuff when
>>> someone in this house just doesn't care what happens to it.
>>
>> ROTFL. I grudgingly have to give you credit for your imagination.
>> The implications of this latest claim is most interesting,
>> particularly for a family environment.
>>
>
>Why do you question that? We had a similar problem when the kids were
>teenagers. They'd take a snack or dish along with a utensil and go off
>in a car and leave the stuff behind.

My first wife had a habit of dumping the left overs on her plate
into the trash along with the flatware.

On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 13:58:07 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Wed, 1 Oct 2014 19:57:18 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>
>
>>I once found a fork in a box of cereal. I would have blamed my daughter as
>>she only will use forks and not spoons for most things but it wasn't a kind
>>of cereal she would eat.
>
>And how does she fare with the milk?
>Presumably it stays in the bowl if using a fork...

No milk, likely allergic.

On 10/2/2014 1:23 PM, Becca EmaNymton wrote:
> On 10/1/2014 8:34 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>> On 10/1/2014 5:44 PM, wrote:
>>> On Wed, 1 Oct 2014 15:13:27 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Wednesday, October 1, 2014 3:23:36 AM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>> My new flatware arrived the other day and now I think I know what
>>>>>> happened to my old set!
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie, you bought your new flatware at Walmart. The stuff you
>>>>> bought is
>>>>> now on sale at $19 for a 45-piece set. It's garbage.
>>>>
>>>> Why would you say that it's garbage?
>>>
>>> Err... the PRICE, perhaps??
>>>
>>>> I live in a house where the forks
>>>> disappeared and then the spoons. I am not going to buy expensive
>>>> stuff when
>>>> someone in this house just doesn't care what happens to it.
>>>
>>> ROTFL. I grudgingly have to give you credit for your imagination.
>>> The implications of this latest claim is most interesting,
>>> particularly for a family environment.
>>>
>>
>> When I raised teenagers, my flatware and dishes would disappear. When
>> there was enough missing, I would put on a mask and gloves and venture
>> into my son's room and retrieve dishes and flatware. Generally it would
>> have to be soaked for several hours before being fit for the dishwasher
>> to sterilize on the hottest of wash and dry settings.
>>
>> We wouldn't even let the dog in his room as we couldn't find appropriate
>> vaccines for "teenage boy's room" :-)
>
> Janet, I had a good laugh, when I read this. My youngest son was the
> same way, it started when he was about 12 yrs old and it was just awful,
> I could not stand the smell. I would warn him that he needed to clean
> his room, or I would clean it for him. I went looking for flatware and
> dishes, and as I trudged through his room, I would find spark plugs,
> scissors, wrenches, screwdrivers. It got better a few years later when
> girls started to visit, he cleaned his room, then.
>
> Becca


Between his Junior and Senior years he went to Europe with the Youth of
America Honors Band. They were gone two or three weeks so I decided I
was going in there to clean his room.

When I went to flip the mattress I discovered some magazines that should
have remained out of a mother's sight. Left the rest of the room undone
as I didn't want to find any more things that would make me blush :-)

I know his curiosity was normal. I suppose my maternal reaction was
normal, too.

At one point in time Barry got the kid his own subscription to Playboy.
When I asked him why, he said he was tired of having to pry the pages
apart. That, too, was TMI for me. Some things belong in a man's world. :-)

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 13:23:15 -0500, Becca EmaNymton
> wrote:

>On 10/1/2014 8:34 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>> When I raised teenagers, my flatware and dishes would disappear. When
>> there was enough missing, I would put on a mask and gloves and venture
>> into my son's room and retrieve dishes and flatware. Generally it would
>> have to be soaked for several hours before being fit for the dishwasher
>> to sterilize on the hottest of wash and dry settings.
>>
>> We wouldn't even let the dog in his room as we couldn't find appropriate
>> vaccines for "teenage boy's room" :-)
>
>Janet, I had a good laugh, when I read this. My youngest son was the
>same way, it started when he was about 12 yrs old and it was just awful,
>I could not stand the smell. I would warn him that he needed to clean
>his room, or I would clean it for him. I went looking for flatware and
>dishes, and as I trudged through his room, I would find spark plugs,
>scissors, wrenches, screwdrivers. It got better a few years later when
>girls started to visit, he cleaned his room, then.

If I left my room like that when I was a kid, I wouldn't have been
able to sit down for a week...

On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 14:21:11 -0500, Janet Wilder >
wrote:

>On 10/2/2014 1:23 PM, Becca EmaNymton wrote:
>
>Between his Junior and Senior years he went to Europe with the Youth of
>America Honors Band. They were gone two or three weeks so I decided I
>was going in there to clean his room.
>
>When I went to flip the mattress I discovered some magazines that should
>have remained out of a mother's sight. Left the rest of the room undone
>as I didn't want to find any more things that would make me blush :-)
>
>I know his curiosity was normal. I suppose my maternal reaction was
>normal, too.
>
>At one point in time Barry got the kid his own subscription to Playboy.
> When I asked him why, he said he was tired of having to pry the pages
>apart. That, too, was TMI for me. Some things belong in a man's world. :-)

LOL.

On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 15:10:43 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:

>On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 13:58:07 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 1 Oct 2014 19:57:18 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I once found a fork in a box of cereal. I would have blamed my daughter as
>>>she only will use forks and not spoons for most things but it wasn't a kind
>>>of cereal she would eat.
>>
>>And how does she fare with the milk?
>>Presumably it stays in the bowl if using a fork...
>
>No milk, likely allergic.

Ah. So it's diet soda with cereal then?