"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 03 Oct 2014 13:20:32 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> Surely (hopefully) it's like the cupcake craze.
>>
>> Pretzel buns. Pretzel rolls. Even some ridiculous looking ad for a
>> chain serving pretzel dough pizza. (Topped with some sort of cheddar
>> cheese sauce that looks like it comes out of a can for 50¢ ball-park
>> nachos.)
>>
>> When I turn on the TV, it appears the US has suddenly gone crazy for
>> preztel dough everything. WTF?
>>
>> I like pretzels as an occasional snack. I've eaten hot doughy pretzels,
>> too. Delicious! I tried to make soft pretzels from scratch once. I
>> failed. I didn't realize at the time they are like bagels; they need to
>> be boiled before they're baked. (I was about 17 at the time.) I didn't
>> have a recipe, I just tried to cobble one together based on bread dough.
>> I wound up with crispy baked pretzels. :-D
>>
>> Back to the point. Who wants all this pretzel dough stuff? More stupid
>> marketing. And people will surely buy into it.
>>
>
> I like the trend and crave pretzel bagels. Pretzel pizza sounds
> weird, but I'd try it once.


It aint pretzel unless it's been dipped in lye water. And few are.



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On 10/3/2014 3:37 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Fri, 03 Oct 2014 13:20:32 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Surely (hopefully) it's like the cupcake craze.
>>>
>>> Pretzel buns. Pretzel rolls. Even some ridiculous looking ad for a
>>> chain serving pretzel dough pizza. (Topped with some sort of cheddar
>>> cheese sauce that looks like it comes out of a can for 50¢ ball-park
>>> nachos.)
>>>
>>> When I turn on the TV, it appears the US has suddenly gone crazy for
>>> preztel dough everything. WTF?
>>>
>>> I like pretzels as an occasional snack. I've eaten hot doughy pretzels,
>>> too. Delicious! I tried to make soft pretzels from scratch once. I
>>> failed. I didn't realize at the time they are like bagels; they need to
>>> be boiled before they're baked. (I was about 17 at the time.) I didn't
>>> have a recipe, I just tried to cobble one together based on bread dough.
>>> I wound up with crispy baked pretzels. :-D
>>>
>>> Back to the point. Who wants all this pretzel dough stuff? More stupid
>>> marketing. And people will surely buy into it.
>>>
>>
>> I like the trend and crave pretzel bagels. Pretzel pizza sounds
>> weird, but I'd try it once.
>
>
> It aint pretzel unless it's been dipped in lye water. And few are.
>
>
>
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When I lived in PA "pretzel bread" sandwiches were very popular. I
thought they were pretty good, and a nice change of pace. A little
sweet, and chewy but not tough.

On Fri, 3 Oct 2014 12:37:30 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Fri, 03 Oct 2014 13:20:32 -0400, jmcquown >
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Back to the point. Who wants all this pretzel dough stuff? More stupid
> >> marketing. And people will surely buy into it.
> >>
> >
> > I like the trend and crave pretzel bagels. Pretzel pizza sounds
> > weird, but I'd try it once.
>
>
> It aint pretzel unless it's been dipped in lye water. And few are.
>

You're not going to find many of those around anymore, including
Manhattan - the place everyone thinks of first when they hear NYC. I
happen to like soft pretzels and that's what the current pretzeling of
everything trend is emulating.


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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 3 Oct 2014 12:37:30 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Fri, 03 Oct 2014 13:20:32 -0400, jmcquown >
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Back to the point. Who wants all this pretzel dough stuff? More
>> >> stupid
>> >> marketing. And people will surely buy into it.
>> >>
>> >
>> > I like the trend and crave pretzel bagels. Pretzel pizza sounds
>> > weird, but I'd try it once.
>>
>>
>> It aint pretzel unless it's been dipped in lye water. And few are.
>>
>
> You're not going to find many of those around anymore, including
> Manhattan - the place everyone thinks of first when they hear NYC. I
> happen to like soft pretzels and that's what the current pretzeling of
> everything trend is emulating.

I was just looking at recipes last night. The trend for at home now is to
dip in just plain boiling water and that's what I did when I made them.
Apparently lye is only for German pretzels.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Fri, 3 Oct 2014 12:37:30 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> > On Fri, 03 Oct 2014 13:20:32 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Back to the point. Who wants all this pretzel dough stuff? More
>>> >> stupid
>>> >> marketing. And people will surely buy into it.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > I like the trend and crave pretzel bagels. Pretzel pizza sounds
>>> > weird, but I'd try it once.
>>>
>>>
>>> It aint pretzel unless it's been dipped in lye water. And few are.
>>>
>>
>> You're not going to find many of those around anymore, including
>> Manhattan - the place everyone thinks of first when they hear NYC. I
>> happen to like soft pretzels and that's what the current pretzeling of
>> everything trend is emulating.
>
> I was just looking at recipes last night. The trend for at home now is to
> dip in just plain boiling water and that's what I did when I made them.
> Apparently lye is only for German pretzels.

Where do you think pretels originated? Are you eating Japanese pretzels?



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"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Fri, 3 Oct 2014 12:37:30 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>> > On Fri, 03 Oct 2014 13:20:32 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Back to the point. Who wants all this pretzel dough stuff? More
>>>> >> stupid
>>>> >> marketing. And people will surely buy into it.
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> > I like the trend and crave pretzel bagels. Pretzel pizza sounds
>>>> > weird, but I'd try it once.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It aint pretzel unless it's been dipped in lye water. And few are.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You're not going to find many of those around anymore, including
>>> Manhattan - the place everyone thinks of first when they hear NYC. I
>>> happen to like soft pretzels and that's what the current pretzeling of
>>> everything trend is emulating.
>>
>> I was just looking at recipes last night. The trend for at home now is
>> to dip in just plain boiling water and that's what I did when I made
>> them. Apparently lye is only for German pretzels.
>
> Where do you think pretels originated? Are you eating Japanese pretzels?

I know where they originated but we have Americanized pretzels here. Where
do you think the little crisp ones came from? Sweden?

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 3 Oct 2014 20:30:00 -0700, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> I was just looking at recipes last night. The trend for at home now is
>>> to
>>> dip in just plain boiling water and that's what I did when I made them.
>>> Apparently lye is only for German pretzels.
>
> Home bakers of pretzels boil in water to which BAKING SODA has been
> added. Boiling in plain water would be pointless, unlike your head.
>
>> Where do you think pretels originated? Are you eating Japanese pretzels?
>
> We have the Pennsylvania Dutch to thank for them being as popular as
> they are today. Not New York as Barbie seems to think. But yes, Very
> German in origin.
>
> -sw

Eat these word, sw!

http://users.datarealm.com/marbeth/soft_pretzels.html

Particularly:

The ratio is 1:64 lye to water, and I have never had any ill effects. If you
prefer, however, boil the pretzels in plain water for 10-20 seconds; this
will give them an "outer coat" similar to a bagel. I give two more "bath"
solutions at the end of the recipe, if you care to try them. I have not.

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 3 Oct 2014 20:30:00 -0700, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> I was just looking at recipes last night. The trend for at home now is
>>> to
>>> dip in just plain boiling water and that's what I did when I made them.
>>> Apparently lye is only for German pretzels.
>
> Home bakers of pretzels boil in water to which BAKING SODA has been
> added. Boiling in plain water would be pointless, unlike your head.
>
>> Where do you think pretels originated? Are you eating Japanese pretzels?
>
> We have the Pennsylvania Dutch to thank for them being as popular as
> they are today. Not New York as Barbie seems to think. But yes, Very
> German in origin.

I learned to make them with lye water. And my mother's family is PD.




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On Fri, 3 Oct 2014 22:39:40 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:

> Not New York as Barbie seems to think. But yes, Very
> German in origin.
>
> -sw

> Omelet wrote:
>
>> He hates me 'cause I never slept with him...
>
> He hates himself because he is all he has to sleep with
> I don't know, sometimes he used to seem normal, then he went petty
> trough vindictive and now I just shun contact. I have enough crazies to
> deal with in my world without encouraging those who refuse to take their
> meds.

For the record, I never once even considered sleeping with you. And
you know that. You're the one who somehow got the idea that I was
going to move in with you - and you posted that to RFC just out of the
total blue.

After having met you twice at casual austin.food gatherings 2 or 3
years ago and not giving you any indication that there was any sort of
romantic interest in the least, you somehow twisted that into MY
MOVING IN WITH YOU?

That was just way too Psycho for me. I sat there at stared at the
screen for at least 15 minutes wondering, WTF? That was just way too
spooky. I've met weird, semi-psycho women before but you win, hands
down. Mapi of austin.general still holds the male title, but at least
he announced his psychosis right there lying on the floor of the bar
at B.D. Reilly's rather than romantically obsessing over me for 2
years.

Needless to say, you need to come to terms with what happened and why
your mind works that way and stop making up excuses for your fixation
and disappointment before we become the next Yoli and Michael. I'd
prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away.
There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.

And Jeremy, I was just tired of your decade of bullshit and visions of
grandeur about all these things you're "working on" or have not done
in the past. Even posting a call for meetings with imaginary people
about imaginary projects of yours at "the normal time and place", as
if you are somebody important with a life. I'm pretty sure you're
manic depressive mixed with habitual liar.

Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles.

-sw

On Fri, 3 Oct 2014 16:44:12 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Fri, 3 Oct 2014 12:37:30 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "sf" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > On Fri, 03 Oct 2014 13:20:32 -0400, jmcquown >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Back to the point. Who wants all this pretzel dough stuff? More
> >> >> stupid
> >> >> marketing. And people will surely buy into it.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > I like the trend and crave pretzel bagels. Pretzel pizza sounds
> >> > weird, but I'd try it once.
> >>
> >>
> >> It aint pretzel unless it's been dipped in lye water. And few are.
> >>
> >
> > You're not going to find many of those around anymore, including
> > Manhattan - the place everyone thinks of first when they hear NYC. I
> > happen to like soft pretzels and that's what the current pretzeling of
> > everything trend is emulating.
>
> I was just looking at recipes last night. The trend for at home now is to
> dip in just plain boiling water and that's what I did when I made them.
> Apparently lye is only for German pretzels.

Home style involves baking soda in the water.


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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 3 Oct 2014 16:44:12 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Fri, 3 Oct 2014 12:37:30 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> "sf" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > On Fri, 03 Oct 2014 13:20:32 -0400, jmcquown >
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Back to the point. Who wants all this pretzel dough stuff? More
>> >> >> stupid
>> >> >> marketing. And people will surely buy into it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > I like the trend and crave pretzel bagels. Pretzel pizza sounds
>> >> > weird, but I'd try it once.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> It aint pretzel unless it's been dipped in lye water. And few are.
>> >>
>> >
>> > You're not going to find many of those around anymore, including
>> > Manhattan - the place everyone thinks of first when they hear NYC. I
>> > happen to like soft pretzels and that's what the current pretzeling of
>> > everything trend is emulating.
>>
>> I was just looking at recipes last night. The trend for at home now is
>> to
>> dip in just plain boiling water and that's what I did when I made them.
>> Apparently lye is only for German pretzels.
>
> Home style involves baking soda in the water.

Or plain water. I posted a link for sw.

On Fri, 3 Oct 2014 22:30:44 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Fri, 3 Oct 2014 16:44:12 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "sf" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > On Fri, 3 Oct 2014 12:37:30 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> "sf" > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >> > On Fri, 03 Oct 2014 13:20:32 -0400, jmcquown >
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Back to the point. Who wants all this pretzel dough stuff? More
> >> >> >> stupid
> >> >> >> marketing. And people will surely buy into it.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I like the trend and crave pretzel bagels. Pretzel pizza sounds
> >> >> > weird, but I'd try it once.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> It aint pretzel unless it's been dipped in lye water. And few are.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > You're not going to find many of those around anymore, including
> >> > Manhattan - the place everyone thinks of first when they hear NYC. I
> >> > happen to like soft pretzels and that's what the current pretzeling of
> >> > everything trend is emulating.
> >>
> >> I was just looking at recipes last night. The trend for at home now is
> >> to
> >> dip in just plain boiling water and that's what I did when I made them.
> >> Apparently lye is only for German pretzels.
> >
> > Home style involves baking soda in the water.
>
> Or plain water. I posted a link for sw.

Or none of the above.


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On Sat, 4 Oct 2014 10:04:10 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:

> To prove that you use defective recipes that I'll never see
> anyway?
>
> -sw

> Omelet wrote:
>
>> He hates me 'cause I never slept with him...
>
> He hates himself because he is all he has to sleep with
> I don't know, sometimes he used to seem normal, then he went petty
> trough vindictive and now I just shun contact. I have enough crazies to
> deal with in my world without encouraging those who refuse to take their
> meds.

For the record, I never once even considered sleeping with you. And
you know that. You're the one who somehow got the idea that I was
going to move in with you - and you posted that to RFC just out of the
total blue.

After having met you twice at casual austin.food gatherings 2 or 3
years ago and not giving you any indication that there was any sort of
romantic interest in the least, you somehow twisted that into MY
MOVING IN WITH YOU?

That was just way too Psycho for me. I sat there at stared at the
screen for at least 15 minutes wondering, WTF? That was just way too
spooky. I've met weird, semi-psycho women before but you win, hands
down. Mapi of austin.general still holds the male title, but at least
he announced his psychosis right there lying on the floor of the bar
at B.D. Reilly's rather than romantically obsessing over me for 2
years.

Needless to say, you need to come to terms with what happened and why
your mind works that way and stop making up excuses for your fixation
and disappointment before we become the next Yoli and Michael. I'd
prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away.
There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.

And Jeremy, I was just tired of your decade of bullshit and visions of
grandeur about all these things you're "working on" or have not done
in the past. Even posting a call for meetings with imaginary people
about imaginary projects of yours at "the normal time and place", as
if you are somebody important with a life. I'm pretty sure you're
manic depressive mixed with habitual liar.

Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles.

-sw

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 04 Oct 2014 06:45:32 -0700, sf wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 3 Oct 2014 22:30:44 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Fri, 3 Oct 2014 16:44:12 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>> > On Fri, 3 Oct 2014 12:37:30 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>>> >> ...
>>>>> >> > On Fri, 03 Oct 2014 13:20:32 -0400, jmcquown
>>>>> >> > >
>>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> Back to the point. Who wants all this pretzel dough stuff?
>>>>> >> >> More
>>>>> >> >> stupid
>>>>> >> >> marketing. And people will surely buy into it.
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > I like the trend and crave pretzel bagels. Pretzel pizza sounds
>>>>> >> > weird, but I'd try it once.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> It aint pretzel unless it's been dipped in lye water. And few are.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>> > You're not going to find many of those around anymore, including
>>>>> > Manhattan - the place everyone thinks of first when they hear NYC.
>>>>> > I
>>>>> > happen to like soft pretzels and that's what the current pretzeling
>>>>> > of
>>>>> > everything trend is emulating.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was just looking at recipes last night. The trend for at home now
>>>>> is
>>>>> to
>>>>> dip in just plain boiling water and that's what I did when I made
>>>>> them.
>>>>> Apparently lye is only for German pretzels.
>>>>
>>>> Home style involves baking soda in the water.
>>>
>>> Or plain water. I posted a link for sw.
>
> Why? To prove that you use defective recipes that I'll never see
> anyway?
>
> -sw

I didn't use that recipe. I was hunting for one to use up the whole wheat
bread flour that I bought. And apparently that was a mistake. All of the
recipes I see call for bread flour *and* whole wheat flour. At least it is
a very small package.

On Fri, 3 Oct 2014 22:30:17 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:

> Also used for lutefisk, hominy, olives, and Chinese
> hundred/thousand-year eggs.
>
> -sw

> Omelet wrote:
>
>> He hates me 'cause I never slept with him...
>
> He hates himself because he is all he has to sleep with
> I don't know, sometimes he used to seem normal, then he went petty
> trough vindictive and now I just shun contact. I have enough crazies to
> deal with in my world without encouraging those who refuse to take their
> meds.

For the record, I never once even considered sleeping with you. And
you know that. You're the one who somehow got the idea that I was
going to move in with you - and you posted that to RFC just out of the
total blue.

After having met you twice at casual austin.food gatherings 2 or 3
years ago and not giving you any indication that there was any sort of
romantic interest in the least, you somehow twisted that into MY
MOVING IN WITH YOU?

That was just way too Psycho for me. I sat there at stared at the
screen for at least 15 minutes wondering, WTF? That was just way too
spooky. I've met weird, semi-psycho women before but you win, hands
down. Mapi of austin.general still holds the male title, but at least
he announced his psychosis right there lying on the floor of the bar
at B.D. Reilly's rather than romantically obsessing over me for 2
years.

Needless to say, you need to come to terms with what happened and why
your mind works that way and stop making up excuses for your fixation
and disappointment before we become the next Yoli and Michael. I'd
prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away.
There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.

And Jeremy, I was just tired of your decade of bullshit and visions of
grandeur about all these things you're "working on" or have not done
in the past. Even posting a call for meetings with imaginary people
about imaginary projects of yours at "the normal time and place", as
if you are somebody important with a life. I'm pretty sure you're
manic depressive mixed with habitual liar.

Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles.

-sw