> wrote in message
...
On Sunday, October 12, 2014 9:07:59 PM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> I really wish I could cut down on the junk snail mail. Ads for stores
> where I would never shop and catalogs that will never be opened.
>
>
If those catalogs have a 1-800 number on them you can call and ask for your
name A N D address to be removed from their mailing list. Junk mail that
has a postage paid return envelope can be use to make the same request. The
company sending out the original mail has to pay for that postage paid
envelope, not you. I've used both methods numerous times and it's amazing
doing these two things can really cut down on that garbage.

---

You seriously do not know how many I receive! I am not about to spend many
hours and many days searching for a phone number on there and then calling.
Plus any time I order from one of those places it just generates new
catalogs. You seem not to know how these things work. I also don't know
what kind of junk mail would have a postage paid envelope and I'm not going
to open things to look for one.

On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 21:44:00 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> wrote in message
...
>On Sunday, October 12, 2014 9:07:59 PM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> I really wish I could cut down on the junk snail mail. Ads for stores
>> where I would never shop and catalogs that will never be opened.
>>
>If those catalogs have a 1-800 number on them you can call and ask for your
>name A N D address to be removed from their mailing list. Junk mail that
>has a postage paid return envelope can be use to make the same request. The
>company sending out the original mail has to pay for that postage paid
>envelope, not you. I've used both methods numerous times and it's amazing
>doing these two things can really cut down on that garbage.
>
>You seriously do not know how many I receive! I am not about to spend many
>hours and many days searching for a phone number on there and then calling.
>Plus any time I order from one of those places it just generates new
>catalogs. You seem not to know how these things work. I also don't know
>what kind of junk mail would have a postage paid envelope and I'm not going
>to open things to look for one.

Another rejection of a perfectly good solution (which I also used to
do when junk mail was a problem). Has Bove EVER accepted a suggestion
and thanked them for it?

On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 19:07:59 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> wrote in message
...
>> On Saturday, October 11, 2014 8:13:32 AM UTC-7, sf wrote:
>>
>>> I just realized that we don't generate much. I don't use my garbage
>>> disposal very much. We don't compost, so coffee grounds and food
>>> trimmings go into the (covered) garbage can and yet, we generate only
>>> one bag of waste per week... which turns into more like half a bag
>>> when it's taken out of the trash can to go to the trash bin, so we
>>> empty the trash baskets in the den, bedrooms and bathrooms in there
>>> too. We didn't eat out at all last week and still didn't generate
>>> enough garbage to make emptying the kitchen trash worthwhile.
>>
>> Depends on whether one of us has a cold or not. I took out a bale of used
>> kleenex last week.
>>
>> We ditched the 13 gallon tall kitchen bags, because the kitchen garbage
>> can
>> stank long before the bag filled. Now we switched to 8 gallon Glad bags
>> (generics aren't tough enough), and change them midweek, whether full or
>> not.
>>
>> We did compost our vegetable waste for years, but then lost interest.
>>
>>> Is reducing your
>>> carbon footprint a normal part of getting "older"?
>>
>> We don't cook much out of boxes, jars, and cans any more. Not so many
>> catalogs come; we're down to three magazines and one newspaper -- which
>> is itself shrinking.
>
>I really wish I could cut down on the junk snail mail. Besides the cans,
>that really is the bulk of my recycling. Every day I go through the mail
>and it almost all goes into the bin straight away.

I get mail at my PO Box, junk mail never comes home... I tear up my
name and address and toss it in their bin... of late there are tons of
political propaganda, I don't read any.

"itsjoannotjoann wrote:
>Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> I really wish I could cut down on the junk snail mail. Ads for stores
>> where I would never shop and catalogs that will never be opened.
>>
>If those catalogs have a 1-800 number on them you can call and ask for your name A N D address to be removed from their mailing list. Junk mail that has a postage paid return envelope can be use to make the same request. The company sending out the original mail has to pay for that postage paid envelope, not you. I've used both methods numerous times and it's amazing doing these two things can really cut down on that garbage.

That's exactly what I do... got rid of all those fercocktah Cruise
catalogs... they spend a fortune on those slick mags, and they send a
bunch every week. If they didn't send so many a cruise would cost
half as much.

On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 18:48:14 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 21:44:00 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>
> wrote in message
...
>>On Sunday, October 12, 2014 9:07:59 PM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> I really wish I could cut down on the junk snail mail. Ads for stores
>>> where I would never shop and catalogs that will never be opened.
>>>
>>If those catalogs have a 1-800 number on them you can call and ask for your
>>name A N D address to be removed from their mailing list. Junk mail that
>>has a postage paid return envelope can be use to make the same request. The
>>company sending out the original mail has to pay for that postage paid
>>envelope, not you. I've used both methods numerous times and it's amazing
>>doing these two things can really cut down on that garbage.
>>
>>You seriously do not know how many I receive! I am not about to spend many
>>hours and many days searching for a phone number on there and then calling.
>>Plus any time I order from one of those places it just generates new
>>catalogs. You seem not to know how these things work. I also don't know
>>what kind of junk mail would have a postage paid envelope and I'm not going
>>to open things to look for one.
>
>Another rejection of a perfectly good solution (which I also used to
>do when junk mail was a problem). Has Bove EVER accepted a suggestion
>and thanked them for it?

Julie is truly a LAZY imbecile... takes very little effort to call
those companies, and their phone number is prominently displayed, on
nearly every page of their catalogs. And the thing is once they take
your name off their list they stop making it available to other
marketers... in less than two months junk mail goes down to only a few
pieces, those you can't stop like political crap. And if you just
toss junk mail in the trash without destroying your name and address
it won't be long your ID will be stolen.

On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 18:48:14 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 21:44:00 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>
> wrote in message
...
>>On Sunday, October 12, 2014 9:07:59 PM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> I really wish I could cut down on the junk snail mail. Ads for stores
>>> where I would never shop and catalogs that will never be opened.
>>>
>>If those catalogs have a 1-800 number on them you can call and ask for your
>>name A N D address to be removed from their mailing list. Junk mail that
>>has a postage paid return envelope can be use to make the same request. The
>>company sending out the original mail has to pay for that postage paid
>>envelope, not you. I've used both methods numerous times and it's amazing
>>doing these two things can really cut down on that garbage.
>>
>>You seriously do not know how many I receive! I am not about to spend many
>>hours and many days searching for a phone number on there and then calling.
>>Plus any time I order from one of those places it just generates new
>>catalogs. You seem not to know how these things work. I also don't know
>>what kind of junk mail would have a postage paid envelope and I'm not going
>>to open things to look for one.
>
>Another rejection of a perfectly good solution (which I also used to
>do when junk mail was a problem). Has Bove EVER accepted a suggestion
>and thanked them for it?

Julie, you are bringing this all on yourself. Because you order from
these companies, they send you more catalogs with the expectation that
you will order more. That's how they generate sales. I get very little
junk mail, and it's because I don't buy very much over the internet.

Another thing you might do is put a "no junk mail" sign on your
mailbox. Lots of people around here do that, and it seems to work.

Doris

"Doris Night" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 18:48:14 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 21:44:00 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>>
> wrote in message
...
>>>On Sunday, October 12, 2014 9:07:59 PM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I really wish I could cut down on the junk snail mail. Ads for stores
>>>> where I would never shop and catalogs that will never be opened.
>>>>
>>>If those catalogs have a 1-800 number on them you can call and ask for
>>>your
>>>name A N D address to be removed from their mailing list. Junk mail
>>>that
>>>has a postage paid return envelope can be use to make the same request.
>>>The
>>>company sending out the original mail has to pay for that postage paid
>>>envelope, not you. I've used both methods numerous times and it's
>>>amazing
>>>doing these two things can really cut down on that garbage.
>>>
>>>You seriously do not know how many I receive! I am not about to spend
>>>many
>>>hours and many days searching for a phone number on there and then
>>>calling.
>>>Plus any time I order from one of those places it just generates new
>>>catalogs. You seem not to know how these things work. I also don't know
>>>what kind of junk mail would have a postage paid envelope and I'm not
>>>going
>>>to open things to look for one.
>>
>>Another rejection of a perfectly good solution (which I also used to
>>do when junk mail was a problem). Has Bove EVER accepted a suggestion
>>and thanked them for it?
>
> Julie, you are bringing this all on yourself. Because you order from
> these companies, they send you more catalogs with the expectation that
> you will order more. That's how they generate sales. I get very little
> junk mail, and it's because I don't buy very much over the internet.
>
> Another thing you might do is put a "no junk mail" sign on your
> mailbox. Lots of people around here do that, and it seems to work.
>
> Doris

I was told by the Post Office they cannot legally not deliver junk mail.
Even though it is you who requested it.

On Monday, October 13, 2014 9:17:46 AM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 18:48:14 +1100, Je�us > wrote:
>
> >Another rejection of a perfectly good solution (which I also used to
> >do when junk mail was a problem). Has Bove EVER accepted a suggestion
> >and thanked them for it?
>
>
> Julie is truly a LAZY imbecile... takes very little effort to call
> those companies, and their phone number is prominently displayed, on
> nearly every page of their catalogs. And the thing is once they take
> your name off their list they stop making it available to other
> marketers... in less than two months junk mail goes down to only a few
> pieces, those you can't stop like political crap. And if you just
> toss junk mail in the trash without destroying your name and address
> it won't be long your ID will be stolen.
>
>
AMEN, AMEN, AMEN. I bet that lazy bitch doesn't even wipe her ass when she rises from the toilet; it just takes too long and toooooooo much effort. But she's got hours on end to post here ad nausem of imaginary situations in her household. No one told that whiney ass she has to call all those toll-free numbers (which I might add are usually on the back page of the catalog)all in one day. As usual, she brings all this on herself.

On 10/11/2014 6:04 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 10/11/2014 3:11 PM, wrote:
>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 13:42:23 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> There's only one trash/garbage pickup service available here, too.
>>> For
>>> some reason a couple of years ago a majority of owners voted against
>>> recycling. I have no idea why. I called to ask about how to know
>>> what
>>> types of things to recycle? I was immediatedly asked, "Do you live on
>>> Dataw?" Yes. She said "Never mind." Apparently the idiots who live
>>> here couldn't be bothered to separate paper from plastic from cans and
>>> somehow they protested enough to get the garbage company to pull the
>>> plug on recycling. I don't understand it.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> Here the city is moving towards using clear plastic garbage bags to
>> catch people who don't want to recycle, if they don't want to do it,
>> then they must pay so that somebody else does it. I'm all for it. It
>> is a civic duty and we should be doing it for future generations. We
>> make too much garbage and now they have made manufacturers package
>> with recyclable stuff, it's the turn of the people to do it!
>>
> I have no idea why the majority of residents here complained about
> having to recycle. It may have had something to do with having to buy
> extra bins. I'm not sure why that would bother these toodling around
> on golf carts people, but it's a guess. I was perfectly willing to
> separate plastic, glass, cans. No composting here, so also food
> scraps that won't go down the garbage disposal (those wouldn't have
> amounted to much).

Years ago that was a political hot-button issue. Conservatives didn't
believe in it and didn't support it. There were a good many towns
around here where people came out to protest proposed recycling, and
when it was instituted, these types considered it a point of honor to
not recycle. People with this mentality also brag about how they make
a point of using still more electricity after their power utility
mails them notices showing them how much energy they use compared to
their neighbors.

Considering the demographic of the residents in your area, odds are
they just bought into the "recycling is stupid" talking point and
argued against it without giving it any more thought.

On 10/13/2014 2:58 PM, Pico Rico wrote:

> I was told by the Post Office they cannot legally not deliver junk mail.
> Even though it is you who requested it.
>
>

True.
Besides, I don't want my mail carrier deciding what I should read or not
read.

On 10/13/2014 5:01 PM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
> On 10/11/2014 6:04 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 13:42:23 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>> I have no idea why the majority of residents here complained about
>> having to recycle. It may have had something to do with having to buy
>> extra bins. I'm not sure why that would bother these toodling around
>> on golf carts people, but it's a guess. I was perfectly willing to
>> separate plastic, glass, cans. No composting here, so also food
>> scraps that won't go down the garbage disposal (those wouldn't have
>> amounted to much).
>
> Years ago that was a political hot-button issue. Conservatives didn't
> believe in it and didn't support it. There were a good many towns around
> here where people came out to protest proposed recycling, and when it
> was instituted, these types considered it a point of honor to not
> recycle. People with this mentality also brag about how they make a
> point of using still more electricity after their power utility mails
> them notices showing them how much energy they use compared to their
> neighbors.
>
> Considering the demographic of the residents in your area, odds are they
> just bought into the "recycling is stupid" talking point and argued
> against it without giving it any more thought.

All I know is, when I called to ask how I could tell which types of
plastics were recyclable (milk is sold in plastic jugs) the woman told
me they'd gotten over 400 calls from Dataw residents complaining about
it. I really don't understand it.

Jill

On 10/13/2014 10:06 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> "itsjoannotjoann wrote:
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> I really wish I could cut down on the junk snail mail. Ads for stores
>>> where I would never shop and catalogs that will never be opened.
>>>
>> If those catalogs have a 1-800 number on them you can call and ask for your name A N D address to be removed from their mailing list. Junk mail that has a postage paid return envelope can be use to make the same request. The company sending out the original mail has to pay for that postage paid envelope, not you. I've used both methods numerous times and it's amazing doing these two things can really cut down on that garbage.
>
> That's exactly what I do... got rid of all those fercocktah Cruise
> catalogs... they spend a fortune on those slick mags, and they send a
> bunch every week. If they didn't send so many a cruise would cost
> half as much.
>
What bugs me is charities that send out stacks of free self-adhesive
return address labels. These are charities I've never given money to.
Unless I move I'll never have to buy self-adhesive return address
labels, ever. How much money do they waste every year on those stupid
things?

Jill

On 10/13/2014 3:48 AM, Jeßus wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 21:44:00 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>> On Sunday, October 12, 2014 9:07:59 PM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> I really wish I could cut down on the junk snail mail. Ads for stores
>>> where I would never shop and catalogs that will never be opened.
>>>
>> If those catalogs have a 1-800 number on them you can call and ask for your
>> name A N D address to be removed from their mailing list.
>>
(snip)

>> You seriously do not know how many I receive! I am not about to spend many
>> hours and many days searching for a phone number on there and then calling.
>> Plus any time I order from one of those places it just generates new
>> catalogs. You seem not to know how these things work.

No, Julie, *you* seem to not understand how these things work. You
order something, of course they'll send you another catalog. Then
they'll sell their mailing list so you also get *those* catalogs. DUH!

> Another rejection of a perfectly good solution (which I also used to
> do when junk mail was a problem). Has Bove EVER accepted a suggestion
> and thanked them for it?
>
Doubtful. And as someone else mentioned, you don't have to make it a
marathon telephone session. The phone number is always on the catalog.
(Another DUH moment since, believe it or not, not everyone has a
computer - some people phone in their orders.) Fact is, they don't
*have* to take you off their list if you've ever done business with
them. Most will, though. But the next time you order something from
them (even online) they'll just put you right back on it.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
> On 10/11/2014 10:31 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 22:01:36 -0400, Roger > wrote:
>>
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>> On 10/11/2014 11:42 AM, Kalmia wrote:
>>>>> It appears that the amount of FOOD garbage is related to the amount
>>>>> of scratch cooking one does. If someone is living on 'boughten'
>>>>> cookies, canned soups, frozen pizza etc, no there won't be much for
>>>>> the compost heap or garbage pickup.
>>>>>
>>>> Uh, what? All that cardboard and plastic packaging from "boughten"
>>>> food has to go somewhere. Into the trash can! (There's no composting
>>>> where I live.)
>>>>
>>>>> I had a lot the other day after processing a pineapple, peeling and
>>>>> coring 5 apples, and removing the tougher parts of a head of
>>>>> escarole.
>>>>>
>>>> I haven't peeled and cored apples in quite some time, although I have
>>>> in the past. The apple peels and cores went into the trash can.
>>>> Another example would be after coring cabbage. Snapping the ends off
>>>> stalks of celery. Onion peels. Things like that go into the
>>>> trash, too.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>>
>>> You can't compost plastic, genius.
>>
>> You can if its biodegradable, retard.
>>
> Compost? Nope. I specifically said I can't compost. "Roger" can't
> read. I called the company that picks up my trash and there are
> markings on the bottom of things like plastic milk jugs which indicate
> which ones are recycleable, too.
>
> Jill
"Uh, what? All that cardboard and plastic packaging from "boughten"
food has to go somewhere. Into the trash can! (There's no composting
where I live.)"

I can read very well.

"Roger"

Je�us wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 22:01:36 -0400, Roger > wrote:
>
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 10/11/2014 11:42 AM, Kalmia wrote:
>>>> It appears that the amount of FOOD garbage is related to the amount
>>>> of scratch cooking one does. If someone is living on 'boughten'
>>>> cookies, canned soups, frozen pizza etc, no there won't be much for
>>>> the compost heap or garbage pickup.
>>>>
>>> Uh, what? All that cardboard and plastic packaging from "boughten"
>>> food has to go somewhere. Into the trash can! (There's no composting
>>> where I live.)
>>>
>>>> I had a lot the other day after processing a pineapple, peeling and
>>>> coring 5 apples, and removing the tougher parts of a head of escarole.
>>>>
>>> I haven't peeled and cored apples in quite some time, although I have
>>> in the past. The apple peels and cores went into the trash can.
>>> Another example would be after coring cabbage. Snapping the ends off
>>> stalks of celery. Onion peels. Things like that go into the trash, too.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>>
>> You can't compost plastic, genius.
> You can if its biodegradable, retard.
>
>
This retard can read and understand words...

"Many people confuse "biodegradable" with "compostable". "Biodegradable"
broadly means that an object can be biologically broken down, while
"compostable <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compostable>" typically
specifies that such a process will result in compost, or humus
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humus>.^<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodegradable_plastic#cite_note-5>
Many plastic manufacturers throughout Canada and the US have released
products indicated as being compostable. However this claim is
debatable, if the manufacturer was minimally conforming to the
now-withdrawn American Society for Testing and Materials standard
definition of the word, as it applies to plastics:

"that which is capable of undergoing biological decomposition in a
compost site such that the material is not visually distinguishable
and breaks down into carbon dioxide, water, inorganic compounds and
biomass at a rate consistent with known compostable materials."
(ASTM D 6002)
^<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodegradable_plastic#cite_note-6>

There is a major discrepancy between this definition and what one would
expect from a backyard composting operation. With the inclusion of
"inorganic compounds", the above definition allows that the end product
might not be humus <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humus>, an organic
substance. The only criterion the ASTM standard definition /did/ outline
is that a compostable plastic has to become "not visually
distinguishable" at the same rate as something that has already been
established as being compostable under the traditional definition."

On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 10:17:46 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:

>On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 18:48:14 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 21:44:00 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>>
> wrote in message
...
>>>On Sunday, October 12, 2014 9:07:59 PM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I really wish I could cut down on the junk snail mail. Ads for stores
>>>> where I would never shop and catalogs that will never be opened.
>>>>
>>>If those catalogs have a 1-800 number on them you can call and ask for your
>>>name A N D address to be removed from their mailing list. Junk mail that
>>>has a postage paid return envelope can be use to make the same request. The
>>>company sending out the original mail has to pay for that postage paid
>>>envelope, not you. I've used both methods numerous times and it's amazing
>>>doing these two things can really cut down on that garbage.
>>>
>>>You seriously do not know how many I receive! I am not about to spend many
>>>hours and many days searching for a phone number on there and then calling.
>>>Plus any time I order from one of those places it just generates new
>>>catalogs. You seem not to know how these things work. I also don't know
>>>what kind of junk mail would have a postage paid envelope and I'm not going
>>>to open things to look for one.
>>
>>Another rejection of a perfectly good solution (which I also used to
>>do when junk mail was a problem). Has Bove EVER accepted a suggestion
>>and thanked them for it?
>
>Julie is truly a LAZY imbecile... takes very little effort to call
>those companies, and their phone number is prominently displayed, on
>nearly every page of their catalogs. And the thing is once they take
>your name off their list they stop making it available to other
>marketers... in less than two months junk mail goes down to only a few
>pieces, those you can't stop like political crap. And if you just
>toss junk mail in the trash without destroying your name and address
>it won't be long your ID will be stolen.

Oh well, she deserves it.

On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 17:56:58 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 10/13/2014 3:48 AM, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 21:44:00 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> On Sunday, October 12, 2014 9:07:59 PM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I really wish I could cut down on the junk snail mail. Ads for stores
>>>> where I would never shop and catalogs that will never be opened.
>>>>
>>> If those catalogs have a 1-800 number on them you can call and ask for your
>>> name A N D address to be removed from their mailing list.
>>>
>(snip)
>
>>> You seriously do not know how many I receive! I am not about to spend many
>>> hours and many days searching for a phone number on there and then calling.
>>> Plus any time I order from one of those places it just generates new
>>> catalogs. You seem not to know how these things work.
>
>No, Julie, *you* seem to not understand how these things work. You
>order something, of course they'll send you another catalog. Then
>they'll sell their mailing list so you also get *those* catalogs. DUH!
>
>> Another rejection of a perfectly good solution (which I also used to
>> do when junk mail was a problem). Has Bove EVER accepted a suggestion
>> and thanked them for it?
>>
>Doubtful. And as someone else mentioned, you don't have to make it a
>marathon telephone session. The phone number is always on the catalog.
> (Another DUH moment since, believe it or not, not everyone has a
>computer - some people phone in their orders.) Fact is, they don't
>*have* to take you off their list if you've ever done business with
>them. Most will, though. But the next time you order something from
>them (even online) they'll just put you right back on it.

We have something here called a 'do not call' list.
Basically you get your name and number on that list so that 'legit'
spammers can't annoy you on the phone. Unfortunately, so-called
charities are exempt...

.... and it doesnt stop the nice people from Micro$haft helping me with
my computer full of viruses. I generally don't mind those calls
because they're great fun to string along while you do other things in
the kitchen, shed or whilst on the computer.

On 10/14/2014 1:45 AM, Jeßus wrote:

>> And if you just
>> toss junk mail in the trash without destroying your name and address
>> it won't be long your ID will be stolen.
>
> Oh well, she deserves it.
>

Really? You keep track of that sort of thing to make determinations?
Do you maintain a list?

Or are you just a lemming Julie basher?

On Saturday, October 11, 2014 7:04:26 PM UTC-4, jmcquown wrote:
> On 10/11/2014 3:11 PM, wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 13:42:23 -0400, jmcquown >
>
> > wrote:
>
> >
>
> >>
>
> >> There's only one trash/garbage pickup service available here, too. For
>
> >> some reason a couple of years ago a majority of owners voted against
>
> >> recycling. I have no idea why. I called to ask about how to know what
>
> >> types of things to recycle? I was immediatedly asked, "Do you live on
>
> >> Dataw?" Yes. She said "Never mind." Apparently the idiots who live
>
> >> here couldn't be bothered to separate paper from plastic from cans and
>
> >> somehow they protested enough to get the garbage company to pull the
>
> >> plug on recycling. I don't understand it.
>
> >>
>
> >> Jill
>
> >
>
> > Here the city is moving towards using clear plastic garbage bags to
>
> > catch people who don't want to recycle, if they don't want to do it,
>
> > then they must pay so that somebody else does it. I'm all for it. It
>
> > is a civic duty and we should be doing it for future generations. We
>
> > make too much garbage and now they have made manufacturers package
>
> > with recyclable stuff, it's the turn of the people to do it!
>
> >
>
> I have no idea why the majority of residents here complained about
>
> having to recycle. It may have had something to do with having to buy
>
> extra bins. I'm not sure why that would bother these toodling around on
>
> golf carts people, but it's a guess. I was perfectly willing to
>
> separate plastic, glass, cans. No composting here, so also food scraps
>
> that won't go down the garbage disposal (those wouldn't have amounted to
>
> much).
>
>
>
> Jill

All part of the tone-y atmosphere you're living in. They're above all that - "What? Save the earth? What ever could you MEAN? The earth is here for ME and my pleasure. Besides, I might chip my mani or I might get my widdle finnies dirty sorting thru all that trahhhhsh."

On Monday, October 13, 2014 10:17:46 AM UTC-4, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 18:48:14 +1100, Je�us > wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 21:44:00 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>
> > wrote:
>
> >
>
> > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> >>On Sunday, October 12, 2014 9:07:59 PM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>> I really wish I could cut down on the junk snail mail. Ads for stores
>
> >>> where I would never shop and catalogs that will never be opened.
>
> >>>
>
> >>If those catalogs have a 1-800 number on them you can call and ask for your
>
> >>name A N D address to be removed from their mailing list. Junk mail that
>
> >>has a postage paid return envelope can be use to make the same request. The
>
> >>company sending out the original mail has to pay for that postage paid
>
> >>envelope, not you. I've used both methods numerous times and it's amazing
>
> >>doing these two things can really cut down on that garbage.
>
> >>
>
> >>You seriously do not know how many I receive! I am not about to spend many
>
> >>hours and many days searching for a phone number on there and then calling.
>
> >>Plus any time I order from one of those places it just generates new
>
> >>catalogs. You seem not to know how these things work. I also don't know
>
> >>what kind of junk mail would have a postage paid envelope and I'm not going
>
> >>to open things to look for one.
>
> >
>
> >Another rejection of a perfectly good solution (which I also used to
>
> >do when junk mail was a problem). Has Bove EVER accepted a suggestion
>
> >and thanked them for it?
>
>
>
> Julie is truly a LAZY imbecile... takes very little effort to call
>
> those companies, and their phone number is prominently displayed, on
>
> nearly every page of their catalogs. And the thing is once they take
>
> your name off their list they stop making it available to other
>
> marketers... in less than two months junk mail goes down to only a few
>
> pieces, those you can't stop like political crap. And if you just
>
> toss junk mail in the trash without destroying your name and address
>
> it won't be long your ID will be stolen.

Here's a good one. What to do with all those stinkin' address labels you get in the charity solicitations. I won't just throw in the recycling ( ID matter ) and to feed 'em thru my shredder will only gum it up. So, they collect in my desk drawer - must have a thousand by now.

I HAVE put them to use attaching two sheets of paper rather than have staple-buildup, but it's a rare need. Other than that, any ideas?

I sent money to the USO - wow - they are really baaaaad about
re-solicitation.

On Monday, October 13, 2014 9:59:55 AM UTC-4, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 19:07:59 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>
> > wrote:
>
>
>
> >
>
> > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> >> On Saturday, October 11, 2014 8:13:32 AM UTC-7, sf wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>> I just realized that we don't generate much. I don't use my garbage
>
> >>> disposal very much. We don't compost, so coffee grounds and food
>
> >>> trimmings go into the (covered) garbage can and yet, we generate only
>
> >>> one bag of waste per week... which turns into more like half a bag
>
> >>> when it's taken out of the trash can to go to the trash bin, so we
>
> >>> empty the trash baskets in the den, bedrooms and bathrooms in there
>
> >>> too. We didn't eat out at all last week and still didn't generate
>
> >>> enough garbage to make emptying the kitchen trash worthwhile.
>
> >>
>
> >> Depends on whether one of us has a cold or not. I took out a bale of used
>
> >> kleenex last week.
>
> >>
>
> >> We ditched the 13 gallon tall kitchen bags, because the kitchen garbage
>
> >> can
>
> >> stank long before the bag filled. Now we switched to 8 gallon Glad bags
>
> >> (generics aren't tough enough), and change them midweek, whether full or
>
> >> not.
>
> >>
>
> >> We did compost our vegetable waste for years, but then lost interest.
>
> >>
>
> >>> Is reducing your
>
> >>> carbon footprint a normal part of getting "older"?
>
> >>
>
> >> We don't cook much out of boxes, jars, and cans any more. Not so many
>
> >> catalogs come; we're down to three magazines and one newspaper -- which
>
> >> is itself shrinking.
>
> >
>
> >I really wish I could cut down on the junk snail mail. Besides the cans,
>
> >that really is the bulk of my recycling. Every day I go through the mail
>
> >and it almost all goes into the bin straight away.
>
>
>
> I get mail at my PO Box, junk mail never comes home... I tear up my
>
> name and address and toss it in their bin... of late there are tons of
>
> political propaganda, I don't read any.



Wait'll the medigap ads start rolling in......


I have successfully stopped the catalogs - yes, it took a few phone calls, but I usually chat em up a bit, ask about their weather, shit like that.

On 2014-10-14 8:46 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 10/14/2014 1:45 AM, Jeßus wrote:
>
>>> And if you just
>>> toss junk mail in the trash without destroying your name and address
>>> it won't be long your ID will be stolen.
>>
>> Oh well, she deserves it.
>>
>
> Really? You keep track of that sort of thing to make determinations? Do
> you maintain a list?
>
> Or are you just a lemming Julie basher?

I would argue that the only Julie lemmings are those who treat her as if
she were halfway normal rather than as the lying, narcissistic attention
whore that she is. Just follow that thread back and you will see that
it fits the pattern of her complaining about something and then
complaining about the suggestions made to deal with the problem.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/14/2014 1:45 AM, Jeßus wrote:
>
>>> And if you just
>>> toss junk mail in the trash without destroying your name and address
>>> it won't be long your ID will be stolen.
>>

your name and address are a matter of public record. I doubt ID thieves
need it to get started.

They need SSN, account numbers, etc.

On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 06:16:50 -0700 (PDT), Kalmia
> wrote:

> All part of the tone-y atmosphere you're living in. They're above all that - "What? Save the earth? What ever could you MEAN? The earth is here for ME and my pleasure. Besides, I might chip my mani or I might get my widdle finnies dirty sorting thru all that trahhhhsh."
>

The thing is that you're not sorting through trash when you recycle
and there's something for every need/want these days.
http://www.overstock.com/Home-Garden...5/product.html
http://www.overstock.com/Home-Garden...8/product.html
http://www.houzz.com/photos/7175974/...cans-san-diego
http://www.houzz.com/photos/6884081/...hen-trash-cans
But you don't have to convince Jill... it's the dinosaurs in charge
where she lives who are the numbskulls. The trash company could
impose large fines for picking up unsorted garbage, but it sounds like
they don't care either. I bet they put all their recycling and trash
into a landfill anyway and "recycling" is just a feel good service
they're offering or they would be more aggressive about Dataw
residents separating recycling from trash.



--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

In article >, says...
>
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 10/14/2014 1:45 AM, Jeßus wrote:
> >
> >>> And if you just
> >>> toss junk mail in the trash without destroying your name and address
> >>> it won't be long your ID will be stolen.
> >>
>
> your name and address are a matter of public record.

Depends where you live. In the UK, name and current address *may*
appear in some open "public records" of the electoral roll (only for
registered voters) and print phone directory (only for landline users).
But it only appears in those open public registers/ directories if the
owner consents. Many choose not to.


I doubt ID thieves
> need it to get started.
>
> They need SSN, account numbers, etc.

If a credit/debit card gets lost, or swiped illegally from a machine,
or its online use is hacked, thefinder/ crook knows your name, your
bank, your card number. Where it was found/used may give away which area
public telephone directory or open electoral roll could reveal the card
owner's address.

Which is why some people choose to have their phone details ex-
directory, and their electoral roll details excluded from the "open to
public" version .

Janet UK.

On 10/13/2014 9:06 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> "itsjoannotjoann wrote:
>> Julie Bove wrote:

>> If those catalogs have a 1-800 number on them you can call and ask
>> for your name A N D address to be removed from their mailing
>> list. Junk mail that has a postage paid return envelope can be use
>> to make the same request. The company sending out the original
>> mail has to pay for that postage paid envelope, not you. I've
>> used both methods numerous times and it's amazing doing these two
>> things can really cut down on that garbage.
>
> That's exactly what I do... got rid of all those fercocktah Cruise
> catalogs... they spend a fortune on those slick mags, and they send
> a bunch every week. If they didn't send so many a cruise would cost
> half as much.

The cruise lines stopped publishing cruise brochures many years ago,
since you can see the deck plans, online. We sell over a million dollars
worth of cruises every year, and we do not have one
brochure in the office. I like your idea of stopping junk mail, since it
benefits neither party.

Becca

On Sunday, October 12, 2014 11:06:42 AM UTC-4, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 08:29:18 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 08:39:10 -0300, wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >>
>
> >>That used to be true, that only certain numbers were recyclable, but
>
> >>now 99% of plastics can all be recycled. The industries to cope with
>
> >>it have grown hand in hand with the desire to make things recyclable.
>
> >
>
> >Yes, the industry was getting a bad reputation, but now takes tons of
>
> >material back to recycle and make into usable products.
>
> >
>
> >>
>
> >>One good one is that old car tires are recycled and become sun decks
>
> >>(that won't need painting in my climate) and I once saw Tshirts that
>
> >>had apparently been made from recycled 7Up bottles.
>
> >
>
> >Polar Fleece. There are some other names for it too, made from
>
> >polyethylene terephthalate (PET).
>
>
>
> Glass is ground and used to make asphalt paving.
>
> http://articles.philly.com/1991-06-1...ed-color-glass

My recycling company recently said they may stop accepting glass - can't find a market for it. Then what? We're back to landfilling?

On Sunday, October 12, 2014 10:07:59 PM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
> > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > On Saturday, October 11, 2014 8:13:32 AM UTC-7, sf wrote:
>
> >
>
> >> I just realized that we don't generate much. I don't use my garbage
>
> >> disposal very much. We don't compost, so coffee grounds and food
>
> >> trimmings go into the (covered) garbage can and yet, we generate only
>
> >> one bag of waste per week... which turns into more like half a bag
>
> >> when it's taken out of the trash can to go to the trash bin, so we
>
> >> empty the trash baskets in the den, bedrooms and bathrooms in there
>
> >> too. We didn't eat out at all last week and still didn't generate
>
> >> enough garbage to make emptying the kitchen trash worthwhile.
>
> >
>
> > Depends on whether one of us has a cold or not. I took out a bale of used
>
> > kleenex last week.
>
> >
>
> > We ditched the 13 gallon tall kitchen bags, because the kitchen garbage
>
> > can
>
> > stank long before the bag filled. Now we switched to 8 gallon Glad bags
>
> > (generics aren't tough enough), and change them midweek, whether full or
>
> > not.
>
> >
>
> > We did compost our vegetable waste for years, but then lost interest.
>
> >
>
> >> Is reducing your
>
> >> carbon footprint a normal part of getting "older"?
>
> >
>
> > We don't cook much out of boxes, jars, and cans any more. Not so many
>
> > catalogs come; we're down to three magazines and one newspaper -- which
>
> > is itself shrinking.
>
>
>
> I really wish I could cut down on the junk snail mail. Besides the cans,
>
> that really is the bulk of my recycling. Every day I go through the mail
>
> and it almost all goes into the bin straight away. I don't even need the
>
> store ads except for occasional coupons. The amount of waste generated by
>
> junk mail is insane. I get a packet of coupons each week and I will never
>
> use a one of them. There are occasionally restaurant or pizza delivery
>
> coupons but most are for things like roofing and windows. Ads for stores
>
> where I would never shop and catalogs that will never be opened. Now that I
>
> have the Internet, I have no need for any of these things. I have tried
>
> various measures to stop the junk mail but none of them worked.
>
>
>
> I have noticed that some of the apartment complexes around here are now
>
> putting recycle bin right by the mailboxes. So apparently I am not the only
>
> one with this problem. And they actually encouraging companies to send out
>
> more catalogs to keep the post office busy.

VORTEX, VORTEX....

On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 12:40:56 PM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
> In article >, says...
>
> >
>
> > "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>
> > ...
>
> > > On 10/14/2014 1:45 AM, Jeßus wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > >>> And if you just
>
> > >>> toss junk mail in the trash without destroying your name and address
>
> > >>> it won't be long your ID will be stolen.
>
> > >>
>
> >
>
> > your name and address are a matter of public record.
>
>
>
> Depends where you live. In the UK, name and current address *may*
>
> appear in some open "public records" of the electoral roll (only for
>
> registered voters) and print phone directory (only for landline users).
>
> But it only appears in those open public registers/ directories if the
>
> owner consents. Many choose not to.
>
>
>
>
>
> I doubt ID thieves
>
> > need it to get started.
>
> >
>
> > They need SSN, account numbers, etc.
>
>
>
> If a credit/debit card gets lost, or swiped illegally from a machine,
>
> or its online use is hacked, thefinder/ crook knows your name, your
>
> bank, your card number. Where it was found/used may give away which area
>
> public telephone directory or open electoral roll could reveal the card
>
> owner's address.
>
>
>
> Which is why some people choose to have their phone details ex-
>
> directory, and their electoral roll details excluded from the "open to
>
> public" version .
>
>
>
> Janet UK.

There is little privacy left in the US. My illustrious state decided that drivers licence records should be sold to the highest bidders, likewise, my county has made all property records, and court records easy as a five minute search from the comfort of your home. Pump in a name, see all their offenses. Hell, I traced one former 'pal' thru four divorces, a foreclosure and a child support battle.

On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 09:52:14 -0700 (PDT), Kalmia
> wrote:

> My recycling company recently said they may stop accepting glass - can't find a market for it. Then what? We're back to landfilling?

Holy cow, I thought glass was melted and reused!


--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

On 10/14/2014 12:52 PM, Kalmia wrote:

>
> My recycling company recently said they may stop accepting glass - can't find a market for it. Then what? We're back to landfilling?
>

You must be some distance from a glass making factory. The best glass
included old glass being recycled. Glass is being used less and less
for bottles though. We used to have a major bottle maker about 7 miles
from us, but it closed after 50+ years for lack of business in the region.

We have really cut back on the amount of paper we use.

As Becca mentioned, cruise lines no longer print off the kinds of
brochures that they used to... everything is online. Some brochures are
available, but you ave to ask for them... they are no longer sent
automatically.

A few years ago we bought a printer that prints on both sides of a piece
of paper. Mostly, many of our records are now stored online. No paper
needed and we can access them from any place where we can connect to the
internet. Our current project is to recreate our entire customer
database online and do away with all files in the office. We just got
started and it will take a while as we have thousands of names in our
database.

Almost all ticketing is done electronically online... paper tickets are
a thing of the past. The only thing you really have to print when you go
on a cruise is your boarding pass and that is starting to evolve where
people will be able to do that on their smart phones... just like in the
airport.

We are getting as green as possible.... and finding that in adition to
being ecologically friendly, it is also a more efficient way for us to
do business.

George L

On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 15:05:08 -0300, wrote:

> On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 09:55:04 -0700 (PDT), Kalmia
> > wrote:
>
> >>
> >> I have noticed that some of the apartment complexes around here are now
> >>
> >> putting recycle bin right by the mailboxes. So apparently I am not the only
> >>
> >> one with this problem. And they actually encouraging companies to send out
> >>
> >> more catalogs to keep the post office busy.
> >
> >VORTEX, VORTEX....
>
> We have a bin right by the mailboxes too, very useful, the super
> empties it daily. I confess I don't have much mail these days, it's
> all gone to email and online billing etc but apart from ads my mail
> woman says that parcels are the coming thing with the post office.
>
> I love ebay, so I can understand that

I think Federal Express uses them too. I see ads for Sunday
deliveries via the post office and considering how much the
Republicans want the USPS out of business, it's the only way I can
figure out that Sunday service is being used.


--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 10:03:09 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 09:52:14 -0700 (PDT), Kalmia
> wrote:
>
>> My recycling company recently said they may stop accepting glass - can't find a market for it. Then what? We're back to landfilling?
>
>Holy cow, I thought glass was melted and reused!

Our trash/recycling company (the big company that operates all over
the U.S.) does not take glass. However, most Albertsons and some
other places have containers in a corner of their parking lot that are
for glass. I think those are provided by a recycler business -- the
kind where you can take various metals, etc. and they will pay you by
the pound.
Janet US

On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 11:44:02 -0500, Becca EmaNymton
> wrote:

>On 10/13/2014 9:06 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> "itsjoannotjoann wrote:
>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>
>>> If those catalogs have a 1-800 number on them you can call and ask
>>> for your name A N D address to be removed from their mailing
>>> list. Junk mail that has a postage paid return envelope can be use
>>> to make the same request. The company sending out the original
>>> mail has to pay for that postage paid envelope, not you. I've
>>> used both methods numerous times and it's amazing doing these two
>>> things can really cut down on that garbage.
>>
>> That's exactly what I do... got rid of all those fercocktah Cruise
>> catalogs... they spend a fortune on those slick mags, and they send
>> a bunch every week. If they didn't send so many a cruise would cost
>> half as much.
>
>The cruise lines stopped publishing cruise brochures many years ago,
>since you can see the deck plans, online. We sell over a million dollars
>worth of cruises every year, and we do not have one
>brochure in the office. I like your idea of stopping junk mail, since it
>benefits neither party.
>
>Becca

You may not send catalogs (probably not in your budget) but many
cruise venders/brokers do... I still get tons of river cruise
catalogs, and also catalogs for sailing vessels, and lots of African
safari tours, trips to China, etc. I know that cruise lines still
publish catalogs because I get enough, they pander to lots of seniors
and many don't use computers... most of the people I know that are my
age don't use computers and never will. As a group seniors have the
most disposable income but are far less likely of any group to use the
internet. I'm sure I was placed on those cruise catalog lists by
someone who goes on cruises, I know that cruise lines solicit their
patrons for names of people they know who may be interested... same
way ski lodges and golf clubs do. Everyone selling something
solicits, if not there'd be no such thing as junk mail/spam.

"George Leppla" > wrote in message
...
> We have really cut back on the amount of paper we use.
>
> As Becca mentioned, cruise lines no longer print off the kinds of
> brochures that they used to... everything is online. Some brochures are
> available, but you ave to ask for them... they are no longer sent
> automatically.

my letter carrier's sacroiliac says otherwise.

On 14/10/2014 7:28 AM, Kalmia wrote:
> On Monday, October 13, 2014 9:59:55 AM UTC-4, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 19:07:59 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> > wrote in message
>>
>>> ...
>>
>>>> On Saturday, October 11, 2014 8:13:32 AM UTC-7, sf wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>> I just realized that we don't generate much. I don't use my garbage
>>
>>>>> disposal very much. We don't compost, so coffee grounds and food
>>
>>>>> trimmings go into the (covered) garbage can and yet, we generate only
>>
>>>>> one bag of waste per week... which turns into more like half a bag
>>
>>>>> when it's taken out of the trash can to go to the trash bin, so we
>>
>>>>> empty the trash baskets in the den, bedrooms and bathrooms in there
>>
>>>>> too. We didn't eat out at all last week and still didn't generate
>>
>>>>> enough garbage to make emptying the kitchen trash worthwhile.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Depends on whether one of us has a cold or not. I took out a bale of used
>>
>>>> kleenex last week.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> We ditched the 13 gallon tall kitchen bags, because the kitchen garbage
>>
>>>> can
>>
>>>> stank long before the bag filled. Now we switched to 8 gallon Glad bags
>>
>>>> (generics aren't tough enough), and change them midweek, whether full or
>>
>>>> not.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> We did compost our vegetable waste for years, but then lost interest.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>> Is reducing your
>>
>>>>> carbon footprint a normal part of getting "older"?
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> We don't cook much out of boxes, jars, and cans any more. Not so many
>>
>>>> catalogs come; we're down to three magazines and one newspaper -- which
>>
>>>> is itself shrinking.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> I really wish I could cut down on the junk snail mail. Besides the cans,
>>
>>> that really is the bulk of my recycling. Every day I go through the mail
>>
>>> and it almost all goes into the bin straight away.
>>
>>
>>
>> I get mail at my PO Box, junk mail never comes home... I tear up my
>>
>> name and address and toss it in their bin... of late there are tons of
>>
>> political propaganda, I don't read any.
>
>
>
> Wait'll the medigap ads start rolling in......
>
>
> I have successfully stopped the catalogs - yes, it took a few phone calls, but I usually chat em up a bit, ask about their weather, shit like that.
>
You were lucky. I still get heavy optics catalogues despite 2 phone
calls and several e-mails to take me off the list.
Graham

On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 08:46:39 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 10/14/2014 1:45 AM, Jeßus wrote:
>
>>> And if you just
>>> toss junk mail in the trash without destroying your name and address
>>> it won't be long your ID will be stolen.
>>
>> Oh well, she deserves it.
>>
>
>Really? You keep track of that sort of thing to make determinations?
>Do you maintain a list?
>
>Or are you just a lemming Julie basher?

I can make up shit about you too. Shall I?

lucretiaborgia wrote:
>
>We have a bin right by the mailboxes too, very useful, the super
>empties it daily.

If you owned your own home then you'd be the super... until then you
can remain the lazy useless do nothing **** forever... I always knew
from your MOUTH you are a parasite.

On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 11:49:10 -0700, "Pico Rico"
> wrote:

>
>"George Leppla" > wrote in message
...
>> We have really cut back on the amount of paper we use.
>>
>> As Becca mentioned, cruise lines no longer print off the kinds of
>> brochures that they used to... everything is online. Some brochures are
>> available, but you ave to ask for them... they are no longer sent
>> automatically.
>
>my letter carrier's sacroiliac says otherwise.

As does mine.
>