On 10/17/14, 10:50 AM, Michel Boucher wrote:
> wrote in
> :
>
>> Just to correct you, passports were introduced because of the
>> USA !!
>
> My last renewal cost me 150$. Thanks a lot, US.

Nobody every said socialism was cheap. 8

-- Larry

Dave Smith > wrote in
:

>> It's so Germans would not be confused if they managed a land
>> invasion in 1940 :-)
>
> Maybe they should have done like the Parisians, who planted
> trees along their streets so that German soldiers could march
> in the shade.

The trees were planted in the resconstruction that followed the
1870-71 upset. Strange how the French always seem to be accused
of cowardice when they never exhibited it in either wars.
But...I guess people have to have someone to belittle...with me,
it's conservatives :-)

--
Socialism never took root in America because the
poor there see themselves not as an exploited
proletariat but as temporarily embarassed
millionaires. - John Steinbeck

pltrgyst > wrote in news:m1rus8$qf$3@dont-
email.me:

>>> Just to correct you, passports were introduced because of the
>>> USA !!
>>
>> My last renewal cost me 150$. Thanks a lot, US.
>
> Nobody every said socialism was cheap. 8

Actually, it should be most cost efficient were it allowed to
exist here but when you have a bunch of consie turdheads running
the country into the ground, socialism has nothing to do with it.

--

Socialism never took root in America because the
poor there see themselves not as an exploited
proletariat but as temporarily embarassed
millionaires. - John Steinbeck

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> On 2014-10-14 11:30 AM, sf wrote:
>
> >>> Yep. That was a piece of misinformation that was floating around at the
> >>> highest levels on the US administration for years. Janel Napolitano.
> >>> Secreatary of the Department of Homeland Security said it four years
> >>> after the incident, despite a comprehensive report that found that the
> >>> conspirators had all been living in the US for months or longer. Newt
> >>> Gingrich and a number of US senators have also made public comments
> >>> about the 9/11 terrorists having sneaked in from Canada.
> >>
> >> I heard it repeated as recently as this past spring. GWB encouraged
> >> them to think that way - I wondered if he was so inclined because he
> >> had to favour Mexicans, probably where his cocaine came from.
> >
> > Honestly, I blame him less and less for everything that happened on
> > his watch. I'm pretty sure most of the misinformation originated over
> > at Faux News. You didn't really think GWB was the one driving policy
> > or making the hard political decisions while he was in office, did
> > you? Cheney was behind all of it and GWB did whatever bossman Cheney
> > told him to do.
>
> You don't blame the *president* because you think that he was being
> mislead by the vice president ????? You think he got his intelligence
> from Fox news?????

She's a strange one here, Dave. Most of us know better than that
nonsense.

G.

On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 17:18:10 -0400, Gary > wrote:

> Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> > On 2014-10-14 11:30 AM, sf wrote:
> >
> > >>> Yep. That was a piece of misinformation that was floating around at the
> > >>> highest levels on the US administration for years. Janel Napolitano.
> > >>> Secreatary of the Department of Homeland Security said it four years
> > >>> after the incident, despite a comprehensive report that found that the
> > >>> conspirators had all been living in the US for months or longer. Newt
> > >>> Gingrich and a number of US senators have also made public comments
> > >>> about the 9/11 terrorists having sneaked in from Canada.
> > >>
> > >> I heard it repeated as recently as this past spring. GWB encouraged
> > >> them to think that way - I wondered if he was so inclined because he
> > >> had to favour Mexicans, probably where his cocaine came from.
> > >
> > > Honestly, I blame him less and less for everything that happened on
> > > his watch. I'm pretty sure most of the misinformation originated over
> > > at Faux News. You didn't really think GWB was the one driving policy
> > > or making the hard political decisions while he was in office, did
> > > you? Cheney was behind all of it and GWB did whatever bossman Cheney
> > > told him to do.
> >
> > You don't blame the *president* because you think that he was being
> > mislead by the vice president ????? You think he got his intelligence
> > from Fox news?????
>
> She's a strange one here, Dave. Most of us know better than that
> nonsense.
>
No idea how he decided they got intelligence from Faux snews, but
anyone who doesn't think Cheney was calling the shots needs to pull
their head out of the sand.

--

Never trust a dog to watch your food.

On 17/10/2014 2:40 PM, pltrgyst wrote:
> On 10/17/14, 10:50 AM, Michel Boucher wrote:
>> wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> Just to correct you, passports were introduced because of the
>>> USA !!
>>
>> My last renewal cost me 150$. Thanks a lot, US.
>
> Nobody every said socialism was cheap. 8
>
> -- Larry
>
>
>
Twasn't Socialism! They now issue 10 year passports with all sorts of
fancy stuff embedded to help prevent fraud.
Graham

On Monday, October 13, 2014 8:54:11 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-10-13 21:39, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
>
>
> > I resent that border. The one time that I crossed it, I didn't need a
>
> > passport, but now I would, and while I see Canadians as citizens of a
>
> > separate political nation, I do not see us as having any more than an
>
> > artificial difference culturally, as the northern tier of U.S. states are
>
> > much like Canada, just as the U.S. southwest is greatly influenced by
>
> > Hispanic culture, and the American South still has major cultural
>
> > distinctions. The idea that someone from New Brunswick can't casually
>
> > cross the artificial border into Maine is crazy.
>
>
>
> Don't blame us for the passport. We have to make sure you can get back
>
> to the US, and it is the US who decided that we all need to have a
>
> passport... like the 9/11 terrorists who all had passports.... and visas.
>
I don't blame Canada. I blame the USA Government. It's just ridiculous.
It's Canada. Could there *be* a much friendlier relationship between two
nations? It's like a Belgian needing a passport to visit France.

At least there are the passport cards, which are less expensive, and EDLs,
but those are only available in a few border states.
http://www.dhs.gov/enhanced-drivers-...-what-are-they
>
--Bryan

On Monday, October 13, 2014 8:51:34 PM UTC-5, JohnJohn wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 09:07:18 -0500, Michel Boucher
>
> > wrote:
>
>
>
> wrote in
>
> :
>
> >
>
> >> Happy Thanksgiving Dave, Michel and all the others
>
> >
>
> >I have no family in town this weekend. My wife resturns from her
>
> >umpteenth jaunt to Gullyvornia Thursday morning at 00h15. So I
>
> >made plans with an old friend to go to an afghan restaurant for
>
> >lunch today. Thanksgiving korma, rice, naan. I'm all for it :-)
>
> >
>
> >Some might be interested to know that the first Thanksgiving in
>
> >North America was performed not by the pilgrims in 1622 but
>
> >rather by Martin Frobisher in 1578, fourty-four years earlier
>
> >while anchored in what became known as Frobisher Bay (now
>
> >Nunavut).
>
> >
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksg...ada%29#History
>
> >
>
> >The US-style Thanksgiving was imported to what became Canada by
>
> >Loyalists escaping the iniquities of brutal rebellion against the
>
> >legitimate monarch.
>
>
>
> Maybe the first Thanksgiving was a couple of troglodytes feasting on a
>
> wolf's head.
>
Eating carnivorous mammals is gross.
>
> JohnJohn

--Bryan

On 10/17/2014 9:40 AM, Michel Boucher wrote:
> Janet Wilder > wrote in
> eb.com:
>
>>> Then forewarned is forewarned. If you knew this, then you
>>> cannot complain when the policy is applied to you.
>>
>> Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Several times in
>> this thread I wrote that we had been inspected at both
>> borders. I also wrote that we don't own any guns. Are you
>> saying that Canada doesn't want any tourists who might own a
>> gun but has left it at home in the US? That's a pretty nasty
>> attitude you have there.
>
> But you knew ahead of time, or at least I assume that's what you
> were saying, that border staff were advised to pay particular
> attention to people with Texas license plates.
>

I knew about that for years. I had crossed in and out of Canada for
years with those plates.

I had no contraband.

Why should I have feared anything more than a close inspection of my
truck and trailer? I certainly didn't deserve to be terrorized for
over two hours.

What's your excuse for that?

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 10/17/2014 9:50 AM, Michel Boucher wrote:
> wrote in
> :
>
>> Just to correct you, passports were introduced because of the
>> USA !!
>
> My last renewal cost me 150$. Thanks a lot, US.
>

Then you should have known better than to come to the US.

Same logic that you keep spouting about the fact that we should not have
tried to enter Canada with Texas license plates. You are NOT succeeding
in your attempt to cover up for the terrible border episode we had at
Quebec.

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On Friday, October 17, 2014 2:18:10 PM UTC-7, Gary wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>
> >
>
> > On 2014-10-14 11:30 AM, sf wrote:
>
> >
>
> > >>> Yep. That was a piece of misinformation that was floating around at the
>
> > >>> highest levels on the US administration for years. Janel Napolitano.
>
> > >>> Secreatary of the Department of Homeland Security said it four years
>
> > >>> after the incident, despite a comprehensive report that found that the
>
> > >>> conspirators had all been living in the US for months or longer. Newt
>
> > >>> Gingrich and a number of US senators have also made public comments
>
> > >>> about the 9/11 terrorists having sneaked in from Canada.
>
> > >>
>
> > >> I heard it repeated as recently as this past spring. GWB encouraged
>
> > >> them to think that way - I wondered if he was so inclined because he
>
> > >> had to favour Mexicans, probably where his cocaine came from.
>
> > >
>
> > > Honestly, I blame him less and less for everything that happened on
>
> > > his watch. I'm pretty sure most of the misinformation originated over
>
> > > at Faux News. You didn't really think GWB was the one driving policy
>
> > > or making the hard political decisions while he was in office, did
>
> > > you? Cheney was behind all of it and GWB did whatever bossman Cheney
>
> > > told him to do.
>
> >
>
> > You don't blame the *president* because you think that he was being
>
> > mislead by the vice president ????? You think he got his intelligence
>
> > from Fox news?????
>
>
>
> She's a strange one here, Dave. Most of us know better than that
>
> nonsense.
>
>
>
> G.


How about you speak for yourself and not "most of us" ?

Nellie

Janet Wilder > wrote in
eb.com:

> Why should I have feared anything more than a close inspection
> of my truck and trailer? I certainly didn't deserve to be
> terrorized for over two hours.
>
> What's your excuse for that?

I never worked there so I have no idea what their policies are.
But reverse the situation, Canadian going into the US is stopped
and "terrorized" for two hours. What would be your excuse for
that?

--

Socialism never took root in America because the
poor there see themselves not as an exploited
proletariat but as temporarily embarassed
millionaires. - John Steinbeck

On 2014-10-18 10:49 AM, Michel Boucher wrote:
> Janet Wilder > wrote in
> eb.com:
>
>> Why should I have feared anything more than a close inspection
>> of my truck and trailer? I certainly didn't deserve to be
>> terrorized for over two hours.
>>
>> What's your excuse for that?
>
> I never worked there so I have no idea what their policies are.
> But reverse the situation, Canadian going into the US is stopped
> and "terrorized" for two hours. What would be your excuse for
> that?
>

Keep out them that tarists.

Janet Wilder > wrote in
eb.com:

>> My last renewal cost me 150$. Thanks a lot, US.
>
> Then you should have known better than to come to the US.

I use a passport for other reasons and I have legitimate
business, not trips to bitch, for going to the US.

> Same logic that you keep spouting about the fact that we
> should not have tried to enter Canada with Texas license
> plates.

I never suggested you should not enter Canada with Texas plates
but if you know that Texas plates are targetted, you should not
be surprised that you are targetted. Get it?

--

Socialism never took root in America because the
poor there see themselves not as an exploited
proletariat but as temporarily embarassed
millionaires. - John Steinbeck

On 10/18/14, 10:49 AM, Michel Boucher wrote:
> Janet Wilder > wrote in
> eb.com:
>
>> Why should I have feared anything more than a close inspection
>> of my truck and trailer? I certainly didn't deserve to be
>> terrorized for over two hours.
>>
>> What's your excuse for that?
>
> I never worked there so I have no idea what their policies are.
> But reverse the situation, Canadian going into the US is stopped
> and "terrorized" for two hours. What would be your excuse for
> that?

Many years ago, I was a decorated Army captain, freshly returned from
two years in Vietnam, getting married. Unfortunately, I was in an auto
accident three weeks before the wedding, breaking my upper left arm and
dislocating that shoulder, so we had to change our planned Caribbean
vacation. Instead, we drive to Montreal, and had a great time in Canada.

When we crossed back into the US, the miserable and hostile US customs
SOBs tore my new silver Alfa Romeo 1750 Spider apart, and left it
surrounded by everything they ripped out, for us to put back together.

Somehow, I never could come up with an excuse for that.

In my later federal government career, I made it a point to **** customs
and immigration whenever I got a chance, and I got plenty of chances. 8

There is a certain minimum percentage of assholes in any position of
authority. This extends to TSA today. Whenever I hear the word
"homeland", it reminds me of Nazi Germany.

-- Larry

On 10/18/2014 9:49 AM, Michel Boucher wrote:
> Janet Wilder > wrote in
> eb.com:
>
>> Why should I have feared anything more than a close inspection
>> of my truck and trailer? I certainly didn't deserve to be
>> terrorized for over two hours.
>>
>> What's your excuse for that?
>
> I never worked there so I have no idea what their policies are.
> But reverse the situation, Canadian going into the US is stopped
> and "terrorized" for two hours. What would be your excuse for
> that?
>

There would be no excuse for an unwarranted stop on *either* side of the
border. I even suggested to your fellow countryman that she write to
the US State Department.

Unlike you I am not a Xenophobe and I do not condone my own government
when they do something wrong.

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 10/18/2014 10:16 AM, Michel Boucher wrote:
> Janet Wilder > wrote in
> eb.com:
>
>>> My last renewal cost me 150$. Thanks a lot, US.
>>
>> Then you should have known better than to come to the US.
>
> I use a passport for other reasons and I have legitimate
> business, not trips to bitch, for going to the US.
>
>> Same logic that you keep spouting about the fact that we
>> should not have tried to enter Canada with Texas license
>> plates.
>
> I never suggested you should not enter Canada with Texas plates
> but if you know that Texas plates are targetted, you should not
> be surprised that you are targetted. Get it?
>

I get it when I am searched. I don't get it when I am wrongly stopped,
separated from my spouse, not permitted to use a restroom, and treated
like a criminal for two hours.

You don't seem to get it. Your fellow countryman, a little **** ant of
a civil servant full of his own self, terrorized us for over two hours
at the Quebec border. This was not a routine search. This was not a
routine anything. The border guy was wrong to treat us the way he did
and I can prove that by stating that in over 20 border crossings into
Canada, this was the first time we were treated so badly.

Just keep up your fake defense. No one here is as stupid as you think
they are. We all pretty much get it that you are grasping at straws
trying to throw this into my lap. THE BAD CANADIAN DID IT. Live with it.

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 10/18/2014 8:22 PM, pltrgyst wrote:
> On 10/18/14, 10:49 AM, Michel Boucher wrote:
>> Janet Wilder > wrote in
>> eb.com:
>>
>>> Why should I have feared anything more than a close inspection
>>> of my truck and trailer? I certainly didn't deserve to be
>>> terrorized for over two hours.
>>>
>>> What's your excuse for that?
>>
>> I never worked there so I have no idea what their policies are.
>> But reverse the situation, Canadian going into the US is stopped
>> and "terrorized" for two hours. What would be your excuse for
>> that?
>
> Many years ago, I was a decorated Army captain, freshly returned from
> two years in Vietnam, getting married. Unfortunately, I was in an auto
> accident three weeks before the wedding, breaking my upper left arm and
> dislocating that shoulder, so we had to change our planned Caribbean
> vacation. Instead, we drive to Montreal, and had a great time in Canada.
>
> When we crossed back into the US, the miserable and hostile US customs
> SOBs tore my new silver Alfa Romeo 1750 Spider apart, and left it
> surrounded by everything they ripped out, for us to put back together.
>
> Somehow, I never could come up with an excuse for that.
>
> In my later federal government career, I made it a point to **** customs
> and immigration whenever I got a chance, and I got plenty of chances. 8
>
> There is a certain minimum percentage of assholes in any position of
> authority. This extends to TSA today. Whenever I hear the word
> "homeland", it reminds me of Nazi Germany.
>
> -- Larry
>
>
>
Those people should have been reported to the government. I've had some
nasty US Border guards, myself, but no one ever tore apart my vehicle.

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 10/18/2014 1:18 AM, Nellie wrote:
> How about you speak for yourself and not "most of us" ?
>
> Nellie

How about someone explain to me how Canadian Thanksgiving turned into a
friggin political discussion?! Good lord, I political bullshit is
constantly being dredged into threads on this ng.

Jill

On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 22:18:55 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 10/18/2014 1:18 AM, Nellie wrote:
> > How about you speak for yourself and not "most of us" ?
> >
> > Nellie
>
> How about someone explain to me how Canadian Thanksgiving turned into a
> friggin political discussion?! Good lord, I political bullshit is
> constantly being dredged into threads on this ng.
>
Who the H*ll is "Nellie" and who cares what "she" has to say.


--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 21:22:45 -0400, pltrgyst > wrote:

> There is a certain minimum percentage of assholes in any position of
> authority. This extends to TSA today. Whenever I hear the word
> "homeland", it reminds me of Nazi Germany.

Agree that "homeland" sounds too much like "fatherland". I don't
think government workers buy into it (unless they come from Rush
Limbaugh country). It's the "wingers" on the Right who perpetrate
stupid sh*t like that.

The latest is some general (probably retired) who says Ebola could
mutate and become an airborne virus. He has no medical background,
he's just another crackpot. Not saying that they could find somebody
with a degree in science to say that... look at the "scientists" who
agree that the earth is only 6000 years old and humans walked with
dinosaurs.


--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

On 10/18/2014 11:26 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 22:18:55 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 10/18/2014 1:18 AM, Nellie wrote:
>>> How about you speak for yourself and not "most of us" ?
>>>
>>> Nellie
>>
>> How about someone explain to me how Canadian Thanksgiving turned into a
>> friggin political discussion?! Good lord, political bullshit is
>> constantly being dredged into threads on this ng.
>>
> Who the H*ll is "Nellie" and who cares what "she" has to say.
>
>
Nellie has been posting off and on for quite a while. Guess you just
haven't paid attention.

US Thanksgiving dinner (which is quite a ways off yet) here will most
likely be roast beef. Probably with some roasted squash and maybe baked
potatoes. As I said, it's quite a ways off.

Jill

On Saturday, October 18, 2014 8:26:15 PM UTC-7, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 22:18:55 -0400, jmcquown >
>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 10/18/2014 1:18 AM, Nellie wrote:
>
> > > How about you speak for yourself and not "most of us" ?
>
> > >
>
> > > Nellie
>
> >
>
> > How about someone explain to me how Canadian Thanksgiving turned into a
>
> > friggin political discussion?! Good lord, I political bullshit is
>
> > constantly being dredged into threads on this n
>
> >
>
> Who the H*ll is "Nellie" and who cares what "she" has to say.

>
> Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.


Wow, that is one nasty comment, sf. Yikes!

Gary's comment was actually quite the asinine comment aimed directly at you and he said 'most of us' here think you are strange and 'most of us don't believe your nonsense' You are okay with that, but you don't care why anyone else would care what I say?

Since when can someone not post something just because another someone doesn't 'know' them?

I also have no idea why Jill quoted me and then went on a tear about political discussions here. My comment was anything but.

BTW, my dh and I grew up in your 'hood' according to you anyway.

Nellie

On Saturday, October 18, 2014 8:39:16 PM UTC-7, jmcquown wrote:
> On 10/18/2014 11:26 PM, sf wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 22:18:55 -0400, jmcquown >
>
> > wrote:
>
> >
>
> >> On 10/18/2014 1:18 AM, Nellie wrote:
>
> >>> How about you speak for yourself and not "most of us" ?
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Nellie
>
> >>
>
> >> How about someone explain to me how Canadian Thanksgiving turned into a
>
> >> friggin political discussion?! Good lord, political bullshit is
>
> >> constantly being dredged into threads on this ng.
>
> >>
>
> > Who the H*ll is "Nellie" and who cares what "she" has to say.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> Nellie has been posting off and on for quite a while. Guess you just
>
> haven't paid attention.
>
>
>
> US Thanksgiving dinner (which is quite a ways off yet) here will most
>
> likely be roast beef. Probably with some roasted squash and maybe baked
>
> potatoes. As I said, it's quite a ways off.
>
>
>
> Jill

Thanks for remembering, Jill.

Just to be clear, my comment had no political undertones whatsoever. I just couldn't let that ludicrous comment go without speaking up.

Nellie

On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 20:53:32 -0700 (PDT), Nellie
> wrote:

> On Saturday, October 18, 2014 8:26:15 PM UTC-7, sf wrote:
> > On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 22:18:55 -0400, jmcquown >
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On 10/18/2014 1:18 AM, Nellie wrote:
> >
> > > > How about you speak for yourself and not "most of us" ?
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > Nellie
> >
> > >
> >
> > > How about someone explain to me how Canadian Thanksgiving turned into a
> >
> > > friggin political discussion?! Good lord, I political bullshit is
> >
> > > constantly being dredged into threads on this n
> >
> > >
> >
> > Who the H*ll is "Nellie" and who cares what "she" has to say.
>
> >
> > Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.
>
>
> Wow, that is one nasty comment, sf. Yikes!
>
> Gary's comment was actually quite the asinine comment aimed directly at you and he said 'most of us' here think you are strange and 'most of us don't believe your nonsense' You are okay with that, but you don't care why anyone else would care what I say?
>
> Since when can someone not post something just because another someone doesn't 'know' them?
>
> I also have no idea why Jill quoted me and then went on a tear about political discussions here. My comment was anything but.
>
> BTW, my dh and I grew up in your 'hood' according to you anyway.
>
> Nellie
>
Sorry.


--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

On Saturday, October 18, 2014 10:36:07 PM UTC-7, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 20:53:32 -0700 (PDT), Nellie
>
> > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Saturday, October 18, 2014 8:26:15 PM UTC-7, sf wrote:
>
> > > On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 22:18:55 -0400, jmcquown >
>
> > >
>
> > > wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > > On 10/18/2014 1:18 AM, Nellie wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > > > > How about you speak for yourself and not "most of us" ?
>
> > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > >
>
> > > > > Nellie
>
> > >
>
> > > >
>
> > >
>
> > > > How about someone explain to me how Canadian Thanksgiving turned into a
>
> > >
>
> > > > friggin political discussion?! Good lord, I political bullshit is
>
> > >
>
> > > > constantly being dredged into threads on this n
>
> > >
>
> > > >
>
> > >
>
> > > Who the H*ll is "Nellie" and who cares what "she" has to say.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> > > Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Wow, that is one nasty comment, sf. Yikes!
>
> >
>
> > Gary's comment was actually quite the asinine comment aimed directly at you and he said 'most of us' here think you are strange and 'most of us don't believe your nonsense' You are okay with that, but you don't care why anyone else would care what I say?
>
> >
>
> > Since when can someone not post something just because another someone doesn't 'know' them?
>
> >
>
> > I also have no idea why Jill quoted me and then went on a tear about political discussions here. My comment was anything but.
>
> >
>
> > BTW, my dh and I grew up in your 'hood' according to you anyway.
>
> >
>
> > Nellie
>
> >
>
> Sorry.
>
>
>
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> Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.



Ohhhhh, Okayyyy, no big deal : ) I don't hold any grudges, honest. I'll just chalk it up to mistaken identity.

Nellie

In article . com>,
says...
>
> On 10/18/2014 9:49 AM, Michel Boucher wrote:
> > Janet Wilder > wrote in
> > eb.com:
> >
> >> Why should I have feared anything more than a close inspection
> >> of my truck and trailer? I certainly didn't deserve to be
> >> terrorized for over two hours.
> >>
> >> What's your excuse for that?
> >
> > I never worked there so I have no idea what their policies are.
> > But reverse the situation, Canadian going into the US is stopped
> > and "terrorized" for two hours. What would be your excuse for
> > that?
> >
>
> There would be no excuse for an unwarranted stop on *either* side of the
> border.

What on earth do you consider an "unwarranted" stop?

Janet UK.

On 18/10/2014 9:35 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 21:22:45 -0400, pltrgyst > wrote:
>
>> There is a certain minimum percentage of assholes in any position of
>> authority. This extends to TSA today. Whenever I hear the word
>> "homeland", it reminds me of Nazi Germany.
>
> Agree that "homeland" sounds too much like "fatherland". I don't
> think government workers buy into it (unless they come from Rush
> Limbaugh country). It's the "wingers" on the Right who perpetrate
> stupid sh*t like that.
>
Another thing with which you should be concerned is the takeover of the
US armed forces brass by fundie christians.
Graham

pltrgyst > wrote in :

> Whenever I hear the word
> "homeland", it reminds me of Nazi Germany.

Heimat. Exactly! I have the same reaction and I'm not USAian.

--

Socialism never took root in America because the
poor there see themselves not as an exploited
proletariat but as temporarily embarassed
millionaires. - John Steinbeck

On 10/18/2014 11:53 PM, Nellie wrote:
> I also have no idea why Jill quoted me and then went on a tear about political discussions here. My comment was anything but.
>
I clicked Followup and Thunderbird quoted and included your reply to
Gary. The political commentary wasn't directed towards you. There are
a few on this ng who just *have* to drag politics into every single
discussion. It's irritating. This was a thread about Canadian
Thanksgiving...

Jill

> BTW, my dh and I grew up in your 'hood' according to you anyway.
>
> Nellie

Janet Wilder > wrote in
web.com:

>> I never worked there so I have no idea what their policies
>> are. But reverse the situation, Canadian going into the US is
>> stopped and "terrorized" for two hours. What would be your
>> excuse for that?
>>
>
> There would be no excuse for an unwarranted stop on *either*
> side of the border. I even suggested to your fellow
> countryman that she write to the US State Department.
>
> Unlike you I am not a Xenophobe and I do not condone my own
> government when they do something wrong.

Xenophobe...didn't he write the Anabasis? :-)

Wow...you do like to make things up. It's the second time in two
days you have purposely misrepresented what I say. Too bad I'm
not thin-skinned.

I certainly never condone any government for anything they do
that causes any measure of harm but you must realize that it
wasn't the government that treated you badly, it was one employee
or maybe a few.

You had the opportunity to make the matter known to the proper
authorities but you failed to do that, approaching an improper
authority instead. If you wanted to know who to contact, your
path is simple: call the Canadian Embassy, say you wish to report
unacceptable behaviour by customs employees and ask who to
contact for that. You would not have been sent to the "Ministry
of Immigration" (tm applied for).

Sheesh.

Ask yourself (and I'm sure you already know the answer) how
likely is it that a Canadian encountering such a situation would
get satisfaction from US Customs. Sort of in the order of zip to
none, beyond a pro-forma letter.

What is the name of the person who sent you the letter, if I may
ask? Did you ever check to see if this was who you thought it
was? I bet not.

--

Socialism never took root in America because the
poor there see themselves not as an exploited
proletariat but as temporarily embarassed
millionaires. - John Steinbeck

On 2014-10-19 9:38 AM, graham wrote:
> On 18/10/2014 9:35 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 21:22:45 -0400, pltrgyst > wrote:
>>
>>> There is a certain minimum percentage of assholes in any position of
>>> authority. This extends to TSA today. Whenever I hear the word
>>> "homeland", it reminds me of Nazi Germany.
>>
>> Agree that "homeland" sounds too much like "fatherland". I don't
>> think government workers buy into it (unless they come from Rush
>> Limbaugh country). It's the "wingers" on the Right who perpetrate
>> stupid sh*t like that.
>>
> Another thing with which you should be concerned is the takeover of the
> US armed forces brass by fundie christians.
>

Franky, I find the use of mercenaries a little scary. Private security
companies like Blackwater are doing a lot of work for the government.
That is not unlike the situation in some trouble spots in the world
where the warlords have their own private armies.

On 10/19/2014 10:21 AM, wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Oct 2014 09:47:09 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 10/18/2014 11:53 PM, Nellie wrote:
>>> I also have no idea why Jill quoted me and then went on a tear about political discussions here. My comment was anything but.
>>>
>> I clicked Followup and Thunderbird quoted and included your reply to
>> Gary. The political commentary wasn't directed towards you. There are
>> a few on this ng who just *have* to drag politics into every single
>> discussion. It's irritating. This was a thread about Canadian
>> Thanksgiving...
>>
>> Jill
>
> It still could be for me. I am cooking for 25 today. My
> granddaughter in laws brother lives in Ireland. If he arrived for
> last weekend it was costing 2/3 more, airline gouging, so we said hell
> no, we'll have Thanksgiving on the 19th
>
Happy late Thanksgiving! I do hope you have a wonderful visit and of
course a wonderful dinner.

You probably mentioned upthread (it would be impossible for me to find
now) what's on your menu?

Jill

"Michel Boucher" > wrote in message
...
> pltrgyst > wrote in :
>
>> Whenever I hear the word
>> "homeland", it reminds me of Nazi Germany.
>
> Heimat. Exactly! I have the same reaction and I'm not USAian.

Especially when a lot of police are sporting the skinhead look these days. I
don't like that either.

Cheri

"Cheri" > wrote in
:

>>> Whenever I hear the word
>>> "homeland", it reminds me of Nazi Germany.
>>
>> Heimat. Exactly! I have the same reaction and I'm not
>> USAian.
>
> Especially when a lot of police are sporting the skinhead look
> these days. I don't like that either.

The skinhead look is not connected to Nazi Germany but rather to
White paranoid (stupid) racists in Europe and North America.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvVPdyYeaQU

The sad thing is that the skinhead movement originally was popular
among London working class youth, and it was about elements,
influenced by Jamaican rude boys, not politics or race. In fact,
in the 60's, there were black skinheads.

--

Socialism never took root in America because the
poor there see themselves not as an exploited
proletariat but as temporarily embarassed
millionaires. - John Steinbeck

On 10/19/2014 7:18 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article . com>,
> says...
>>
>> On 10/18/2014 9:49 AM, Michel Boucher wrote:
>>> Janet Wilder > wrote in
>>> eb.com:
>>>
>>>> Why should I have feared anything more than a close inspection
>>>> of my truck and trailer? I certainly didn't deserve to be
>>>> terrorized for over two hours.
>>>>
>>>> What's your excuse for that?
>>>
>>> I never worked there so I have no idea what their policies are.
>>> But reverse the situation, Canadian going into the US is stopped
>>> and "terrorized" for two hours. What would be your excuse for
>>> that?
>>>
>>
>> There would be no excuse for an unwarranted stop on *either* side of the
>> border.
>
> What on earth do you consider an "unwarranted" stop?
>
> Janet UK.
>
>
Holding us hostage for two hours. Looking up our NCIC reports to see if
we had gun permits (which we did not have, since we never owned guns).
When all he could find was a dismissed misdemeanor (no trial. No
conviction) over ten years old, he decided we were unfit to go into
Canada. Then, when we produced the already purchased tickets to 4
Yankee/Blue Jay ball games, he decided we could go into Canada if we
paid a fee, which they never explained.

Not allowing me to go to the restroom when I was crying and pleading
with them. The restroom was just across a lane and could be seen from
the office window. I even invited the officer to come with me. He made
me wait for half an hour. You can't believe the pain I was in.

Holding our truck and trailer, which was our home, after they had
searched it and come up with nothing illegal. Keeping our two little
dogs in the truck in warm weather and away from us for the two hours.
Charging us a fee of some kind for $200 CN and refusing to give us the
paperwork regarding that fee even though they used my credit card. (I
later learned what the fee was and it was in no way applicable to us.
The little jerk had violated his own country's laws)

Also, the **** ant Napoleon wannabe kept strutting past us telling us to
smile and threatening us that if we didn't smile, he'd have us jailed.

I have been inspected at the border by both Canadian and US personnel. I
have found nice people and nasty people from both countries, but this
incident in Canada was way out of the ordinary. We were so scared that
instead of just going back to the US, we sat there paralyzed with fear
and waited for them to decide to release us.

Also I paid that fee a good 90 minutes before they released us. They
kept us longer because, as they said, they were on their lunch hour and
couldn't finish our paperwork.

The paperwork consisted of a piece of scratch paper with the address of
the Canadian Embassy in Los Angeles where my DH was told to go and get
"rehabilitated" if he wanted to ever come back to Canada. This man was
a Special Education Teacher for the City of New York for 32 years. He
was a Boy Scout Troop leader for special needs children and took his
local Special Olympics team to the state games every year even though it
always interfered with Father's Day and his birthday. Further, he had
special clearance from the New York/New Jersey Port Authority as a limo
driver to park in the underground area. They had to vet him for that
clearance.

The border official was wrong and I have the letter from Ottawa
confirming that the "law" he applied to us had been amended in June (the
stop was in late August).

A routine stop, especially with an RV and Texas plates, is one where we
pull over, take the dogs out of the truck on leashes and permit the
border officials to search whatever they want. Usually they searched
the inside of the trailer. Most times, when entering Canada and the US,
all we had to do was answer a few questions. We never brought in
weapons. We never took contraband across any border. We were familiar
with the products we could bring in and out of both countries and the
special places near the border where we could buy approved produce and I
kept those receipts with our passports, dog's shot records, etc. so I
could present them when asked.

Since we lived in the trailer, we usually had liquor in open bottles for
our own personal use. I always made a list of what we had and
approximately how many ounces it added up to. Never had a problem, even
when we were inspected and they saw the liquor inside my pantry.

Believe me, we were veteran border crossers. The incident in Quebec was
unexpected, highly unusual and terrorized us.



--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On Sun, 19 Oct 2014 07:38:02 -0600, graham > wrote:

> On 18/10/2014 9:35 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 21:22:45 -0400, pltrgyst > wrote:
> >
> >> There is a certain minimum percentage of assholes in any position of
> >> authority. This extends to TSA today. Whenever I hear the word
> >> "homeland", it reminds me of Nazi Germany.
> >
> > Agree that "homeland" sounds too much like "fatherland". I don't
> > think government workers buy into it (unless they come from Rush
> > Limbaugh country). It's the "wingers" on the Right who perpetrate
> > stupid sh*t like that.
> >
> Another thing with which you should be concerned is the takeover of the
> US armed forces brass by fundie christians.
> Graham

What makes you think they are separate factions?


--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

On 10/19/2014 8:59 AM, Michel Boucher wrote:
> Janet Wilder > wrote in
> web.com:
>
>>> I never worked there so I have no idea what their policies
>>> are. But reverse the situation, Canadian going into the US is
>>> stopped and "terrorized" for two hours. What would be your
>>> excuse for that?
>>>
>>
>> There would be no excuse for an unwarranted stop on *either*
>> side of the border. I even suggested to your fellow
>> countryman that she write to the US State Department.
>>
>> Unlike you I am not a Xenophobe and I do not condone my own
>> government when they do something wrong.
>
> Xenophobe...didn't he write the Anabasis? :-)
>
> Wow...you do like to make things up. It's the second time in two
> days you have purposely misrepresented what I say. Too bad I'm
> not thin-skinned.
>
> I certainly never condone any government for anything they do
> that causes any measure of harm but you must realize that it
> wasn't the government that treated you badly, it was one employee
> or maybe a few.
>
> You had the opportunity to make the matter known to the proper
> authorities but you failed to do that, approaching an improper
> authority instead. If you wanted to know who to contact, your
> path is simple: call the Canadian Embassy, say you wish to report
> unacceptable behaviour by customs employees and ask who to
> contact for that. You would not have been sent to the "Ministry
> of Immigration" (tm applied for).
>
> Sheesh.
>
> Ask yourself (and I'm sure you already know the answer) how
> likely is it that a Canadian encountering such a situation would
> get satisfaction from US Customs. Sort of in the order of zip to
> none, beyond a pro-forma letter.
>
> What is the name of the person who sent you the letter, if I may
> ask? Did you ever check to see if this was who you thought it
> was? I bet not.
>

Since your command of the English language is so poor, I'm not bothering
with you any more. Defend your **** ant Napoleon wannabe border
official to the stars if you want. I really don't care.

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On Sun, 19 Oct 2014 11:18:05 -0300, wrote:

> On Sun, 19 Oct 2014 08:46:47 -0500, Michel Boucher
> > wrote:
>
> >pltrgyst > wrote in :
> >
> >> Whenever I hear the word
> >> "homeland", it reminds me of Nazi Germany.
> >
> >Heimat. Exactly! I have the same reaction and I'm not USAian.
>
>
> When I see kids doing that Pledge of Allegiance thing in class, I find
> that very troublesome - it goes beyond ordinary patriotism IMO.

I object to the Cold War version with "under God" inserted where it
doesn't belong.


--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

Janet Wilder > wrote in news:5443d206$0$42911
:

> Canadian Embassy in Los Angeles

Canadian Consulate...the embassy is in Washington. I have been
there.

--

Socialism never took root in America because the
poor there see themselves not as an exploited
proletariat but as temporarily embarassed
millionaires. - John Steinbeck