Happy Thanksgiving to my fellow Canadians. Thank goodness our turkey
fest is early enough that we don't have to have turkey again for two
months.

The fresh turkey is in the fridge. I made the stuffing and will cram
that into the bird and get it into the oven by 11:30. I baked an apple
pie, and my wife is doing the rest.

wrote in
:

> Happy Thanksgiving Dave, Michel and all the others

I have no family in town this weekend. My wife resturns from her
umpteenth jaunt to Gullyvornia Thursday morning at 00h15. So I
made plans with an old friend to go to an afghan restaurant for
lunch today. Thanksgiving korma, rice, naan. I'm all for it :-)

Some might be interested to know that the first Thanksgiving in
North America was performed not by the pilgrims in 1622 but
rather by Martin Frobisher in 1578, fourty-four years earlier
while anchored in what became known as Frobisher Bay (now
Nunavut).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksg...ada%29#History

The US-style Thanksgiving was imported to what became Canada by
Loyalists escaping the iniquities of brutal rebellion against the
legitimate monarch.

--

Socialism never took root in America because the
poor there see themselves not as an exploited
proletariat but as temporarily embarassed
millionaires. - John Steinbeck

On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 09:28:26 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>Happy Thanksgiving to my fellow Canadians. Thank goodness our turkey
>fest is early enough that we don't have to have turkey again for two
>months.
>
>The fresh turkey is in the fridge. I made the stuffing and will cram
>that into the bird and get it into the oven by 11:30. I baked an apple
>pie, and my wife is doing the rest.

We had ours yesterday at my MIL's place. Turkey cooked to within an
inch of it's life, *very* dry stuffing cooked separately in a baking
dish, a mountain of mashed potatoes, and not enough green vegetables.
Our contribution was an apple pie baked by DH and a sherry-laced
trifle made by me. I used Koko's Bishop's Cake in the trifle:

http://www.kokoscornerblog.com/mycor...hops-cake.html

We discovered a trick to be used at future family dinners. We sat at
the "kid's table" off in the next room. (The only actual children in
attendance were babies, and they sat at the big dining room table in
their high chairs.) Anyway, five of us got to serve ourselves first,
we had our own bottle of wine, our own gravy boat, and there was
plenty of elbow room.

Much more pleasant.

Doris

On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 10:53:51 -0300, wrote:

snip
>
>This was my weekend to rest preparatory to next Sunday when there will
>be 25 of us. My granddaughter in laws brother will be here with wife
>and child from Ireland - if they came this past weekend the fares were
>astronomical so we all agreed, come this week for a third of the cost
>and Thanksgiving feast would be postponed in their honour.
>
>Our party room downstairs has a fully equipped kitchen (though I will
>cook the turkeys up here in my convection oven) and lots of tables and
>chairs, china, pans everything. It will be fun and it makes me
>thankful that three families are going to blend and make merry. I
>wish my David could have been here to see it all.
>
>Happy Thanksgiving Dave, Michel and all the others
Those family-packed holidays are the memories we treasure throughout
out life. Happy Thanksgiving
Janet US

wrote in
:

>>Some might be interested to know that the first Thanksgiving
>>in North America was performed not by the pilgrims in 1622 but
>>rather by Martin Frobisher in 1578, fourty-four years earlier
>>while anchored in what became known as Frobisher Bay (now
>>Nunavut).
>>
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksg...ada%29#History
>>
>>The US-style Thanksgiving was imported to what became Canada
>>by Loyalists escaping the iniquities of brutal rebellion
>>against the legitimate monarch.
>
> I always assumed the Canadian Thanksgiving is the church
> festival, harvest home etc. That's the first weekend in
> October too.

It's the 2nd weekend in October but only since Parliament fixed
the date in 1957: "The date of celebration changed several times
until, in 1957, it was officially declared to be the second
Monday in October."

Many holidays in Canada were promulgated piecemeal, such as
Victoria Day and Empire Days. You would have them some years and
not other years. Québec, which ran manythings on the liturgical
calendar, tended to have fixed and recurring dates for provincial
holidays such as la Saint-Jean Baptiste (traditionally the day of
contracts). It has other traditions elsewhe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nativit...e_Baptist#Cust
oms

http://tinyurl.com/potun8f

--

Socialism never took root in America because the
poor there see themselves not as an exploited
proletariat but as temporarily embarassed
millionaires. - John Steinbeck

On 10/13/2014 8:28 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> Happy Thanksgiving to my fellow Canadians. Thank goodness our turkey
> fest is early enough that we don't have to have turkey again for two
> months.
>
> The fresh turkey is in the fridge. I made the stuffing and will cram
> that into the bird and get it into the oven by 11:30. I baked an apple
> pie, and my wife is doing the rest.
>

Happy Thanksgiving to my Canadian friends.

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 09:28:26 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> Happy Thanksgiving to my fellow Canadians. Thank goodness our turkey
> fest is early enough that we don't have to have turkey again for two
> months.

I would really like to move ours forward, but Halloween is too big of
a deal around here for that to happen.


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Michel Boucher > wrote in
:

> It's the 2nd weekend in October

Sorry, 2nd Monday in October, not always 2nd weekend.

--

Socialism never took root in America because the
poor there see themselves not as an exploited
proletariat but as temporarily embarassed
millionaires. - John Steinbeck

On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 17:17:30 -0300, wrote:

> On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 12:24:57 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 09:28:26 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Happy Thanksgiving to my fellow Canadians. Thank goodness our turkey
> >> fest is early enough that we don't have to have turkey again for two
> >> months.
> >
> >I would really like to move ours forward, but Halloween is too big of
> >a deal around here for that to happen.
>
>
> Why does that make it impossible to have Thanksgiving now??

Halloween is a very big deal at my house and I need to pace my
holidays.


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Dave Smith > wrote in news:ZrQ_v.509397
:

> Happy Thanksgiving to my fellow Canadians.

I'm thankful for not having to cook a big meal as no one in the
family is in town this year (my wife is in California with step-
daughter and bairns, my children are out west trying to prove
something ( ;-) ), my sister is spending a year in South Africa as
a consultant in social housing...

So, as I mentioned yesterday, an old friend and I planned to lunch
at an Afghan restaurant, Supreme Kabob.

The place is new. The menu is not extensive but you can mix and
match a lot of things.

Larry had the Chicken Breast Kabob on a bed of rice with salad.
I had the Veggie Platter with a delightful eggplant qurma, rice and
salad.
We split a plate of bolani, like a flat dosa, crispy and light.
They brought their homemade hot sauce which had a flavour which
complemented the food.

I finished it off with gulab jamun.

http://supremekabobhouse.ca/images/MiniMenusk.pdf

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poor there see themselves not as an exploited
proletariat but as temporarily embarassed
millionaires. - John Steinbeck

"Michel Boucher" > wrote in message
...

> I finished it off with gulab jamun.


I haven't had that since I was in India) It's very sweet


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On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 13:21:21 -0700, sf > wrote:

snip
>
>Halloween is a very big deal at my house and I need to pace my
>holidays.
Oh! ??? What do you do? The mind boggles. . .
Janet US

On 10/13/2014 9:28 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> Happy Thanksgiving to my fellow Canadians. Thank goodness our turkey
> fest is early enough that we don't have to have turkey again for two
> months.
>
No one is forcing you to eat turkey, ya' know.

> The fresh turkey is in the fridge. I made the stuffing and will cram
> that into the bird and get it into the oven by 11:30. I baked an apple
> pie, and my wife is doing the rest.
>
Happy Thanksgiving to you and other folks in Canada!

Jill

On Monday, October 13, 2014 9:07:18 AM UTC-5, Michel Boucher wrote:
> wrote in
>
> :
>
>
>
> > Happy Thanksgiving Dave, Michel and all the others
>
>
>
> I have no family in town this weekend. My wife resturns from her
>
> umpteenth jaunt to Gullyvornia Thursday morning at 00h15. So I
>
> made plans with an old friend to go to an afghan restaurant for
>
> lunch today. Thanksgiving korma, rice, naan. I'm all for it :-)
>
>
>
> Some might be interested to know that the first Thanksgiving in
>
> North America was performed not by the pilgrims in 1622 but
>
> rather by Martin Frobisher in 1578, fourty-four years earlier
>
> while anchored in what became known as Frobisher Bay (now
>
> Nunavut).
>
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksg...ada%29#History
>
>
>
> The US-style Thanksgiving was imported to what became Canada by
>
> Loyalists escaping the iniquities of brutal rebellion against the
>
> legitimate monarch.
>
George III was barely the legitimate monarch of Britain. He was German,
crazy, and unconcerned with the best interests of the American colonists.
If he had strongly supported suffrage for the American colonists
(representation in the British Parliament), who knows? The USA might have
stayed British, and ended up like Canada, Australia, New Zealand...with a
British monarch on our coinage.

There still might have been an American Civil War, but with the British
fully in alliance with the northern territories over the slavery issue,
the South would have been easily defeated, and the British colonies in N.
America might not include a border between the USA and Canada.

I resent that border. The one time that I crossed it, I didn't need a
passport, but now I would, and while I see Canadians as citizens of a
separate political nation, I do not see us as having any more than an
artificial difference culturally, as the northern tier of U.S. states are
much like Canada, just as the U.S. southwest is greatly influenced by
Hispanic culture, and the American South still has major cultural
distinctions. The idea that someone from New Brunswick can't casually
cross the artificial border into Maine is crazy.

As a resident of a Midwestern U.S. city, I have more in common with
residents of Ontario than with those who reside in Jackson, Mississippi.

I opposed the NAFTA, but would have wholeheartedly supported an economic
alliance with Canada, not because of any prejudice against Hispanics, but
because the USA and Canada are intrinsically bound anyway. Mexico? Not so
much, because Mexico has had a bad record for democracy and workers' rights.
I am, like you, a moderate Socialist, but I call myself a Hennist. I believe
in The Little Red Hen--full employment with reasonable equity, class struggle
with compromise, and appreciation for the contributions of insightful
investors, workers, artists and artisans, inventors and intellectuals.

--Bryan
>
> Socialism never took root in America because the
>
> poor there see themselves not as an exploited
>
> proletariat but as temporarily embarassed
>
> millionaires. - John Steinbeck

On 2014-10-13 21:39, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
>
>

> I resent that border. The one time that I crossed it, I didn't need a
> passport, but now I would, and while I see Canadians as citizens of a
> separate political nation, I do not see us as having any more than an
> artificial difference culturally, as the northern tier of U.S. states are
> much like Canada, just as the U.S. southwest is greatly influenced by
> Hispanic culture, and the American South still has major cultural
> distinctions. The idea that someone from New Brunswick can't casually
> cross the artificial border into Maine is crazy.

Don't blame us for the passport. We have to make sure you can get back
to the US, and it is the US who decided that we all need to have a
passport... like the 9/11 terrorists who all had passports.... and visas.

>

On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 17:24:13 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:

> On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 13:21:21 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
> snip
> >
> >Halloween is a very big deal at my house and I need to pace my
> >holidays.
> Oh! ??? What do you do? The mind boggles. . .

Halloween party for relatives (we're in a hot trick r treating area)
and passing out goodies to the 200+ kids that come to the door.



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On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 19:29:47 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 10/13/2014 9:28 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > Happy Thanksgiving to my fellow Canadians. Thank goodness our turkey
> > fest is early enough that we don't have to have turkey again for two
> > months.
> >
> No one is forcing you to eat turkey, ya' know.
>

TRADITION! I used to eat turkey at Christmas too, but after I married
we looked at each other and said "I don't like turkey enough". So we
switched to prime rib and Yorkshire pudding for Christmas dinner. I
love lamb at Easter, but it has been so expensive the last couple of
years that I had a pork crown rib this year and ham last year. It's
good, but I want lamb. I think I'm just going to bite the bullet and
pay up this year. YOLO and I want to BBQ (charcoal grill type BBQ for
the easily confused) a boneless leg of lamb this coming Easter.


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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 17:17:30 -0300, wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 12:24:57 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>
>> >On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 09:28:26 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Happy Thanksgiving to my fellow Canadians. Thank goodness our turkey
>> >> fest is early enough that we don't have to have turkey again for two
>> >> months.
>> >
>> >I would really like to move ours forward, but Halloween is too big of
>> >a deal around here for that to happen.
>>
>>
>> Why does that make it impossible to have Thanksgiving now??
>
> Halloween is a very big deal at my house and I need to pace my
> holidays.

Neither one is a big deal at our house. Husband mainly only cares about
football on Thanksgiving and some kind of food that we don't normally have.
Like potato chips.

On 2014-10-14 7:05 AM, wrote:

>
> Then there was the story that the 'terrorists' came from Canada,
> strange, they were living for two years in Florida (never knew that
> was part of Canada) while training at a flying school.
>

Yep. That was a piece of misinformation that was floating around at the
highest levels on the US administration for years. Janel Napolitano.
Secreatary of the Department of Homeland Security said it four years
after the incident, despite a comprehensive report that found that the
conspirators had all been living in the US for months or longer. Newt
Gingrich and a number of US senators have also made public comments
about the 9/11 terrorists having sneaked in from Canada.

I guess we're serving whine with turkey this year.

nancy

On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 21:35:58 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 17:24:13 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 13:21:21 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>
>> snip
>> >
>> >Halloween is a very big deal at my house and I need to pace my
>> >holidays.
>> Oh! ??? What do you do? The mind boggles. . .
>
>Halloween party for relatives (we're in a hot trick r treating area)
>and passing out goodies to the 200+ kids that come to the door.

Awww, heck. I thought maybe you dressed in costume and tricked out
the porch around the front door. We get no trick or treaters at our
neighborhood. Our location is just above a boulevard that is known
far and wide for the rich folks houses and the thousands of kids that
forage there.
Janet US

On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 21:43:02 -0700, sf > wrote:


snip
>
>TRADITION! I used to eat turkey at Christmas too, but after I married
>we looked at each other and said "I don't like turkey enough". So we
>switched to prime rib and Yorkshire pudding for Christmas dinner. I
>love lamb at Easter, but it has been so expensive the last couple of
>years that I had a pork crown rib this year and ham last year. It's
>good, but I want lamb. I think I'm just going to bite the bullet and
>pay up this year. YOLO and I want to BBQ (charcoal grill type BBQ for
>the easily confused) a boneless leg of lamb this coming Easter.

I like lamb but husband doesn't care for it. I can get away with
doing this recipe about once per year.
Recipe courtesy Peter Aitken

GRILLED LAMB

This was easy and really tasty. I used the Australian lamb that Costco
sells
which I think is excellent quality.

Untie a boned leg of lamb and unroll it. Trim off any excess fat (but
leave
the thin layer that's on the outside). Rub both sides with the
following
mixed in a blender or mini-prep:

1 jar Gray Poupon grainy mustard
5 garlic cloves
2-3 TB olive oil
2 TB dried herbs du Provence (I use Penzey's)
Salt, black pepper

Let sit in the fridge overnight or at least several hours. Grill until
medium rare in the thickest parts.

We had this with tabouli, orzo-feta salad, marinated artichoke hearts,
and a
tomato-asparagus-balsamic salad. And a lovely Australian merlot!

Peter Aitken

Janet US

"Ophelia" > wrote in news:m1hm94$sdn$1
@dont-email.me:

>> I finished it off with gulab jamun.
>
> I haven't had that since I was in India) It's very sweet

I've had gulab jamun that floated in a thick syrup but this one was
in lightly sweetened rose water.

--

Socialism never took root in America because the
poor there see themselves not as an exploited
proletariat but as temporarily embarassed
millionaires. - John Steinbeck

Bryan-TGWWW > wrote in
:

>> The US-style Thanksgiving was imported to what became Canada
>> by Loyalists escaping the iniquities of brutal rebellion
>> against the legitimate monarch.
>
> George III was barely the legitimate monarch of Britain. He
> was German, crazy, and unconcerned with the best interests of
> the American colonists.

He was the king of England, not barely but entirely. They were
British colonies and so he was their monarch. When Nouvelle-
France was under French rules, our good king Louis was our
monarch.

I'm not debating quality of service, just that he was the
legitimate monarch.

> If he had strongly supported suffrage
> for the American colonists (representation in the British
> Parliament), who knows? The USA might have stayed British,
> and ended up like Canada, Australia, New Zealand...with a
> British monarch on our coinage.

You obviously fail to grasp the concept of a colony. In the aghe
of Mercantilism, the métropole does not act to enfranchise the
colony but rather to draw its raw resources for the benefit of
the métropole. Unfair, perhaps; fact, yes.

> There still might have been an American Civil War, but with
> the British fully in alliance with the northern territories
> over the slavery issue, the South would have been easily
> defeated, and the British colonies in N. America might not
> include a border between the USA and Canada.

I thought that was the case. The Reciprocity Treaty of 1854 gave
the Union a big advantage in having access to Canadian lumber in
vast amounts. And compared to Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, the
Civil War lasted only a short time.

> I resent that border.

I resent that border too especially when I am required to remove
my shoes for inspection at Security on the US side of Customs at
Pearson, and then not provided with a seat so as to put them back
on. Agnts are rude, ill-bred, paranoid...I must be in the US.

> The one time that I crossed it, I
> didn't need a passport, but now I would, and while I see
> Canadians as citizens of a separate political nation, I do not
> see us as having any more than an artificial difference
> culturally, as the northern tier of U.S. states are much like
> Canada, just as the U.S. southwest is greatly influenced by
> Hispanic culture, and the American South still has major
> cultural distinctions. The idea that someone from New
> Brunswick can't casually cross the artificial border into
> Maine is crazy.

Actually, they can, just not at a dedicated road crossing,
although there was one that was unmanned for many years.

> As a resident of a Midwestern U.S. city, I have more in common
> with residents of Ontario than with those who reside in
> Jackson, Mississippi.

Maybe not as much as you think...you live in a masonic-inspired
republic, we live in a constitutional monarchy.

> I opposed the NAFTA, but would have wholeheartedly supported
> an economic alliance with Canada, not because of any prejudice
> against Hispanics, but because the USA and Canada are
> intrinsically bound anyway. Mexico? Not so much, because
> Mexico has had a bad record for democracy and workers' rights.

I have opposed every such measure because, in the end, they are
promoted by annexionists. The explanation is found in a letter
from Laurier to Blake.

> I am, like you, a moderate Socialist, but I call myself a
> Hennist. I believe in The Little Red Hen--full employment
> with reasonable equity, class struggle with compromise, and
> appreciation for the contributions of insightful investors,
> workers, artists and artisans, inventors and intellectuals.

I am not a moderate socialist, but socialism is not about
opposing things (or promoting hatred) but rather about having
faith in the future and a clear idea of the society we wish to
live in and working towards that.

On the Political Compass, I received the following:

Economic Left/Right : -9.62 (which is as far left as you can get
on this scale developed by people who think the Left is the
shallow end of politics)

Social Libertarian/Authoritarian : -6.92

http://www.politicalcompass.org/test

Mind you that was a while ago...the questions have changed.

--

Socialism never took root in America because the
poor there see themselves not as an exploited
proletariat but as temporarily embarassed
millionaires. - John Steinbeck

wrote in
:

> Then there was the story that the 'terrorists' came from
> Canada, strange, they were living for two years in Florida
> (never knew that was part of Canada) while training at a
> flying school.

You obviously 'aven't 'eard of La florida...:-)

--

Socialism never took root in America because the
poor there see themselves not as an exploited
proletariat but as temporarily embarassed
millionaires. - John Steinbeck

Dave Smith > wrote in
:

>> Then there was the story that the 'terrorists' came from
>> Canada, strange, they were living for two years in Florida
>> (never knew that was part of Canada) while training at a
>> flying school.
>>
>
> Yep. That was a piece of misinformation that was floating
> around at the highest levels on the US administration for
> years. Janel Napolitano. Secreatary of the Department of
> Homeland Security said it four years after the incident,
> despite a comprehensive report that found that the
> conspirators had all been living in the US for months or
> longer. Newt Gingrich and a number of US senators have also
> made public comments about the 9/11 terrorists having sneaked
> in from Canada.

There was only ever the strange case of Ahmed "Hinky" Ressam who
was stopped on grounds he was "hinky", searched and subsequently
arrested crossing the border from BC into Washington State on New
Year's Eve 1999. I'm surprised these guys at the border can tell
the difference between a Mexican and an Algerian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Ressam

--

Socialism never took root in America because the
poor there see themselves not as an exploited
proletariat but as temporarily embarassed
millionaires. - John Steinbeck

wrote in
news
>>You obviously 'aven't 'eard of La florida...:-)
>
> Yeah I have but even so, I don't think the flying school they
> attended was Quebecoise

Ok, you said you didn't think Florida was part of Canada, but in
some places, in the winter, it is almost as if it was with all the
Québecois wintering there and the signs in French.

--

Socialism never took root in America because the
poor there see themselves not as an exploited
proletariat but as temporarily embarassed
millionaires. - John Steinbeck

wrote in
:

>>There was only ever the strange case of Ahmed "Hinky" Ressam
>>who was stopped on grounds he was "hinky", searched and
>>subsequently arrested crossing the border from BC into
>>Washington State on New Year's Eve 1999. I'm surprised these
>>guys at the border can tell the difference between a Mexican
>>and an Algerian.
>>
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Ressam
>
> Yes, but he is not the one Janet Napolitano talks about, she
> refers to the plane hijackers as having come over the border
> from Canada. In fact one time I heard her say they took the
> ferry over from NS. That was incredibly stupid because even
> back then if you went by ferry to Bar Harbour or Portland, you
> had to have a valid passport because you were entering by sea.
> You couldn't just sneak over.

Ressam was the one that was referred to for many years. I'll bet
that Foxheads still think of Ressam when they talk about
"terrists comin' over the border from Canada." Strange because
half of them couldn't find Canada on a map.

--

Socialism never took root in America because the
poor there see themselves not as an exploited
proletariat but as temporarily embarassed
millionaires. - John Steinbeck

On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 08:44:47 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:

> Untie a boned leg of lamb and unroll it. Trim off any excess fat (but
> leave
> the thin layer that's on the outside). Rub both sides with the
> following
> mixed in a blender or mini-prep:
>
> 1 jar Gray Poupon grainy mustard
> 5 garlic cloves
> 2-3 TB olive oil
> 2 TB dried herbs du Provence (I use Penzey's)
> Salt, black pepper
>
> Let sit in the fridge overnight or at least several hours. Grill until
> medium rare in the thickest parts.


Sounds absolutely lovely, but I want to use my old favorite

2 cloves of garlic, smashed
1T soy sauce
1T chili *paste* with garlic (which I can't find anymore, so I'll use
either the harissa or gochujang that I have on hand + more garlic)
1t rice vinegar
2t sesame oil

Whiz like you do yours and all the rest is the same too.


--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 10:23:30 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 08:44:47 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:
>
>> Untie a boned leg of lamb and unroll it. Trim off any excess fat (but
>> leave
>> the thin layer that's on the outside). Rub both sides with the
>> following
>> mixed in a blender or mini-prep:
>>
>> 1 jar Gray Poupon grainy mustard
>> 5 garlic cloves
>> 2-3 TB olive oil
>> 2 TB dried herbs du Provence (I use Penzey's)
>> Salt, black pepper
>>
>> Let sit in the fridge overnight or at least several hours. Grill until
>> medium rare in the thickest parts.
>
>
>Sounds absolutely lovely, but I want to use my old favorite
>
>2 cloves of garlic, smashed
>1T soy sauce
>1T chili *paste* with garlic (which I can't find anymore, so I'll use
>either the harissa or gochujang that I have on hand + more garlic)
>1t rice vinegar
>2t sesame oil
>
>Whiz like you do yours and all the rest is the same too.

Just a different flavor profile. Would Huy Fong Chili Garlic sauce
make your recipe too wet to stick? I can't remember if I saw chili
paste with garlic at Cash and Carry, or not.
Janet US

On 2014-10-14 11:30 AM, sf wrote:


>>> Yep. That was a piece of misinformation that was floating around at the
>>> highest levels on the US administration for years. Janel Napolitano.
>>> Secreatary of the Department of Homeland Security said it four years
>>> after the incident, despite a comprehensive report that found that the
>>> conspirators had all been living in the US for months or longer. Newt
>>> Gingrich and a number of US senators have also made public comments
>>> about the 9/11 terrorists having sneaked in from Canada.
>>
>> I heard it repeated as recently as this past spring. GWB encouraged
>> them to think that way - I wondered if he was so inclined because he
>> had to favour Mexicans, probably where his cocaine came from.
>
> Honestly, I blame him less and less for everything that happened on
> his watch. I'm pretty sure most of the misinformation originated over
> at Faux News. You didn't really think GWB was the one driving policy
> or making the hard political decisions while he was in office, did
> you? Cheney was behind all of it and GWB did whatever bossman Cheney
> told him to do.


You don't blame the *president* because you think that he was being
mislead by the vice president ????? You think he got his intelligence
from Fox news?????

On 2014-10-14 11:38 AM, Michel Boucher wrote:
> Dave Smith > wrote in
> :
>
>>> Then there was the story that the 'terrorists' came from
>>> Canada, strange, they were living for two years in Florida
>>> (never knew that was part of Canada) while training at a
>>> flying school.
>>>
>>
>> Yep. That was a piece of misinformation that was floating
>> around at the highest levels on the US administration for
>> years. Janel Napolitano. Secreatary of the Department of
>> Homeland Security said it four years after the incident,
>> despite a comprehensive report that found that the
>> conspirators had all been living in the US for months or
>> longer. Newt Gingrich and a number of US senators have also
>> made public comments about the 9/11 terrorists having sneaked
>> in from Canada.
>
> There was only ever the strange case of Ahmed "Hinky" Ressam who
> was stopped on grounds he was "hinky", searched and subsequently
> arrested crossing the border from BC into Washington State on New
> Year's Eve 1999. I'm surprised these guys at the border can tell
> the difference between a Mexican and an Algerian.
>

You don't think that he was found on the basis of the stealth and
cunning of a US customs agent, or is it not obvious that someone had
dropped a dime on him from this side of the border? Possession of
explosives is not a big deal here. Smuggling them into the US as part
of a terrorist conspiracy is a much bigger issue. If he had been tried
and convicted in Canada he would have been released years ago. The US
justice system carries a much heavier stick, and is going to be in jail
for a long time to come.

Dave Smith > wrote in
news
> You don't think that he was found on the basis of the stealth
> and cunning of a US customs agent, or is it not obvious that
> someone had dropped a dime on him from this side of the
> border?

Unlikely.

Customs officer Diana Deans said he was acting "hinky". But where
I have been nervous at the border, he was nervous and of swarthy
complexion. She claims there was no racial profiling but racists
always say that. They also deny being racists.

http://seattletimes.com/news/nation-
world/terroristwithin/chapter12.html

http://tinyurl.com/l5g5j8g

She asked him to open the trunk, but it seems she had no idea what
she would find there.

So, unlikely.

--

Socialism never took root in America because the
poor there see themselves not as an exploited
proletariat but as temporarily embarassed
millionaires. - John Steinbeck

On 10/14/2014 10:38 AM, Michel Boucher wrote:
> Dave Smith > wrote in
> :
>
>>> Then there was the story that the 'terrorists' came from
>>> Canada, strange, they were living for two years in Florida
>>> (never knew that was part of Canada) while training at a
>>> flying school.
>>>
>>
>> Yep. That was a piece of misinformation that was floating
>> around at the highest levels on the US administration for
>> years. Janel Napolitano. Secreatary of the Department of
>> Homeland Security said it four years after the incident,
>> despite a comprehensive report that found that the
>> conspirators had all been living in the US for months or
>> longer. Newt Gingrich and a number of US senators have also
>> made public comments about the 9/11 terrorists having sneaked
>> in from Canada.
>
> There was only ever the strange case of Ahmed "Hinky" Ressam who
> was stopped on grounds he was "hinky", searched and subsequently
> arrested crossing the border from BC into Washington State on New
> Year's Eve 1999. I'm surprised these guys at the border can tell
> the difference between a Mexican and an Algerian.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Ressam
>

The "guys at the border" are very well trained. I deal with them
frequently as I often go into Mexico. Need to set up an appointment
soon for a cleaning at my dentist.

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 10/14/2014 11:35 AM, Michel Boucher wrote:
> wrote in
> news >
>>> You obviously 'aven't 'eard of La florida...:-)
>>
>> Yeah I have but even so, I don't think the flying school they
>> attended was Quebecoise
>
> Ok, you said you didn't think Florida was part of Canada, but in
> some places, in the winter, it is almost as if it was with all the
> Québecois wintering there and the signs in French.
>

You should come here to the Lower Rio Grande Valley. The Quebecois
discovered us when the RV parks in Florida either got too expensive or
were blown to pieces in a hurricane a few years back.

We love our Winter Texans here as they contribute greatly to our
economy, but there is a building resentment against the Quebecois
because of their rudeness and their demands that the rest of the world
accommodate them because they speak another language.

These are retired people who went to school in Canada when English was
still required, so it's pure bulls--t that they can't speak any English.

I do speak some French and I have tried to be helpful to them but have
never ever gotten so much as a 'merci' for my assistance.

A friend who worked in an RV park here where there was a large
contingent of Quebecois told us the story of how they demanded the park
manager close the swimming pool one day a week to anyone who was not a
French speaker. The manager agreed, if the other six days would be
closed to non-English speakers. Needless to say, they backed down.

I have been in every Canadian province and the Yukon Territory. The
majority of Canadians are great people displaying wonderful hospitality.
It's a shame that reputation does not extend to Quebec.

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 10/14/2014 7:04 PM, wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 18:40:38 -0500, Michel Boucher
> > wrote:
>
>> Dave Smith > wrote in
>> news >>
>>> You don't think that he was found on the basis of the stealth
>>> and cunning of a US customs agent, or is it not obvious that
>>> someone had dropped a dime on him from this side of the
>>> border?
>>
>> Unlikely.
>>
>> Customs officer Diana Deans said he was acting "hinky". But where
>> I have been nervous at the border, he was nervous and of swarthy
>> complexion. She claims there was no racial profiling but racists
>> always say that. They also deny being racists.
>>
>> http://seattletimes.com/news/nation-
>> world/terroristwithin/chapter12.html
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/l5g5j8g
>>
>> She asked him to open the trunk, but it seems she had no idea what
>> she would find there.
>>
>> So, unlikely.
>
> When you're there, you are at their mercy. My daughter, my grandson
> and I went through a rather isolated crossing from Manitoba to the US.
> When hauled to one side I gave the letter to the female that was
> permission from my daughter to cross an international border with my
> grandson. She got on her high horse, accused one or more of us of
> lying because as she said I didn't need that since if he was my
> grandson, this was my daughter ergo no need for permission. The
> grandson was my elder daughters child, the daughter was my younger
> daughter, his aunt.
>
> She was so angry she upended my purse over a stainless steel table and
> everything went skittering about and onto the floor. I was trying to
> work out in my mind how many extra miles it was if we crossed back and
> went over the lakes instead of under. It was so rude and needless -
> when we got home I really intended to write to the State Department
> and tell them about the impression created but it was two days before
> Xmas so I never did in the end.
>

Maybe you'll have better luck with the state department than I had with
the Ministry in Ottawa that I corresponded with for two years.

We were terrorized at the border in Quebec. Threatened, held hostage,
not allowed to pee, separated for over an hour. The guy in charge was
acting under the old law and disregarding the new law that was passed a
month earlier. Also, according to the US consulate, he was too lazy to
inspect our truck and trailer and assumed that just because we had Texas
license plates we were hiding guns, so he pulled up our NCIC (FBI)
reports to see if we had gun permits. We didn't so he found some trivial
misdemeanor on DH's record (which had been dismissed by our courts) and
branded him a criminal.

When he found (over two hours later) that our reason for wanting to
enter Canada was to go to the Yankees vs. Blue Jay baseball games and we
produced the tickets that had been purchased in advance, then we became
fit to enter Canada.

We had spent the entire month of July in Canada, came out for a few
weeks to do some stuff in Maine then made the mistake of reentering via
Quebec. Further, we had been in various provinces each summer for over
15 years without so much as a citation for spitting on the sidewalk.

I deserved an apology from the Ministry. I'm still waiting for it. I
hope you get one from our state department. The border people should not
have mistreated you.

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 2014-10-14 19:40, Michel Boucher wrote:
> Dave Smith > wrote in
> news >
>> You don't think that he was found on the basis of the stealth
>> and cunning of a US customs agent, or is it not obvious that
>> someone had dropped a dime on him from this side of the
>> border?
>
> Unlikely.
>
> Customs officer Diana Deans said he was acting "hinky". But where
> I have been nervous at the border, he was nervous and of swarthy
> complexion. She claims there was no racial profiling but racists
> always say that. They also deny being racists.


Heaven forbid they use any type of profiling to help them perform their
duties effectively. There was a situation where young Muslim men were
involved in conspiracies to carry out terrorist attacks. He was a Muslim
male who was involved in a conspiracy. I guess we might differ on who
the racist was.

"Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 21:35:58 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 17:24:13 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 13:21:21 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>
>>> snip
>>> >
>>> >Halloween is a very big deal at my house and I need to pace my
>>> >holidays.
>>> Oh! ??? What do you do? The mind boggles. . .
>>
>>Halloween party for relatives (we're in a hot trick r treating area)
>>and passing out goodies to the 200+ kids that come to the door.
>
> Awww, heck. I thought maybe you dressed in costume and tricked out
> the porch around the front door. We get no trick or treaters at our
> neighborhood. Our location is just above a boulevard that is known
> far and wide for the rich folks houses and the thousands of kids that
> forage there.
> Janet US

I never know how many we'll get. Most of those that we do get are not from
this area. Their parents drive them here then drive away. I think that
last year we got less because we didn't go all out with the decorations. I
just won't do that any more. Partly due to the hooligans who like to tear
things down and steal them and partly due to no interest. I didn't mind it
when Angela was younger and she wanted to do it or at least help me do it.
But she has no interest either. This year I bought a lantern at Costco and
two little pumpkins from Target. All battery operated. I might throw a
string of lights on the Rhodies. Or I might not. Depends on our weather.
Won't bother if there are predicted storms.

I think we got about 50-60 kids last year but in past years we have gotten
over 200. I tend to lose count when we get that many. Especially when we
get large groups coming close together.

Janet Wilder > wrote in
web.com:

> Maybe you'll have better luck with the state department than I
> had with the Ministry in Ottawa

Department, not Ministry. The Government of Ontario has
Ministries.

--

Socialism never took root in America because the
poor there see themselves not as an exploited
proletariat but as temporarily embarassed
millionaires. - John Steinbeck

Janet Wilder > wrote in news:543dc80c$0$55897
:

> We were terrorized at the border in Quebec.

Wow, you seem to have a lot of problems in Québec. Are you sure
it's not you?

I've crossed the border a number of times between the US and
Québec and never had any issues. One time, in 1979, I even
persuaded the border services to board the train I was on and
travel on with us so as to not make people miss their connections
in Montréal.

So, as with most things, YMMV.

--

Socialism never took root in America because the
poor there see themselves not as an exploited
proletariat but as temporarily embarassed
millionaires. - John Steinbeck