On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 01:24:13 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> > wrote in message
> ...
> > Charities keep going, even when their reason for being no longer exists.
> > Here are three prime examples:
> >
> > When my parents were kids, there was
> >
> > Christmas Seals -- to fight tuberculosis
> > The March of Dimes -- to fight polio
> > Easter Seals -- to help crippled kids
> >
> > TB was cured, but Christmas Seals kept going, orienting its mission to
> > general lung ailments.
> > Polio was cured, but the March of Dimes kept going, changing its mission
> > to have something to do with birth defects.
> > Kids stopped getting crippled (same thing happened to the Shriners
> > Hospitals) but Easter Seals kept going, changing its mission to have
> > something to do with disabled children, especially autistic kids.
>
> Actually, TB is back. Perhaps not so much in this country but it is here.

TB never went away. What's back is all the childhood diseases,
including whooping cough, thanks to stupid parents who don't vaccinate
their children.
http://www.cdc.gov/pertussis/images/...ph-2014-lg.jpg


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On 10/29/2014 9:46 AM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 01:24:13 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Charities keep going, even when their reason for being no longer exists.
>>> Here are three prime examples:
>>>
>>> When my parents were kids, there was
>>>
>>> Christmas Seals -- to fight tuberculosis
>>> The March of Dimes -- to fight polio
>>> Easter Seals -- to help crippled kids
>>>
>>> TB was cured, but Christmas Seals kept going, orienting its mission to
>>> general lung ailments.
>>> Polio was cured, but the March of Dimes kept going, changing its mission
>>> to have something to do with birth defects.
>>> Kids stopped getting crippled (same thing happened to the Shriners
>>> Hospitals) but Easter Seals kept going, changing its mission to have
>>> something to do with disabled children, especially autistic kids.
>>
>> Actually, TB is back. Perhaps not so much in this country but it is here.
>
> TB never went away. What's back is all the childhood diseases,
> including whooping cough, thanks to stupid parents who don't vaccinate
> their children.
> http://www.cdc.gov/pertussis/images/...ph-2014-lg.jpg
>
>
The Christmas Seals, March of Dimes and Easter Seals are rated B, B- and
C- by Charities Watch. That means to me that I might possibly support
the Christmas Seals and the March of Dimes but not Easter Seals. I
suppose it's hard to stop a full time hobby of raising money :-(

--
Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)

Extraneous "not." in Reply To.

James Silverton wrote:
>
> On 10/29/2014 9:46 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 01:24:13 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> Charities keep going, even when their reason for being no longer exists.
> >>> Here are three prime examples:
> >>>
> >>> When my parents were kids, there was
> >>>
> >>> Christmas Seals -- to fight tuberculosis
> >>> The March of Dimes -- to fight polio
> >>> Easter Seals -- to help crippled kids
> >>>
> >>> TB was cured, but Christmas Seals kept going, orienting its mission to
> >>> general lung ailments.
> >>> Polio was cured, but the March of Dimes kept going, changing its mission
> >>> to have something to do with birth defects.
> >>> Kids stopped getting crippled (same thing happened to the Shriners
> >>> Hospitals) but Easter Seals kept going, changing its mission to have
> >>> something to do with disabled children, especially autistic kids.
> >>
> >> Actually, TB is back. Perhaps not so much in this country but it is here.
> >
> > TB never went away. What's back is all the childhood diseases,
> > including whooping cough, thanks to stupid parents who don't vaccinate
> > their children.
> > http://www.cdc.gov/pertussis/images/...ph-2014-lg.jpg
> >
> >
> The Christmas Seals, March of Dimes and Easter Seals are rated B, B- and
> C- by Charities Watch. That means to me that I might possibly support
> the Christmas Seals and the March of Dimes but not Easter Seals. I
> suppose it's hard to stop a full time hobby of raising money :-(

It's no hobby, these folks make entire careers out of leaching off of
charity. Each of those organizations employs a lot of such leaches who
would otherwise need to find a real job (or another scam).

On 29/10/2014 7:46 AM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 01:24:13 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Charities keep going, even when their reason for being no longer exists.
>>> Here are three prime examples:
>>>
>>> When my parents were kids, there was
>>>
>>> Christmas Seals -- to fight tuberculosis
>>> The March of Dimes -- to fight polio
>>> Easter Seals -- to help crippled kids
>>>
>>> TB was cured, but Christmas Seals kept going, orienting its mission to
>>> general lung ailments.
>>> Polio was cured, but the March of Dimes kept going, changing its mission
>>> to have something to do with birth defects.
>>> Kids stopped getting crippled (same thing happened to the Shriners
>>> Hospitals) but Easter Seals kept going, changing its mission to have
>>> something to do with disabled children, especially autistic kids.
>>
>> Actually, TB is back. Perhaps not so much in this country but it is here.
>
> TB never went away. What's back is all the childhood diseases,
> including whooping cough, thanks to stupid parents who don't vaccinate
> their children.
> http://www.cdc.gov/pertussis/images/...ph-2014-lg.jpg
>
>
Andrew Wakefield has a lot to answer for!
Graham

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 01:24:13 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Charities keep going, even when their reason for being no longer
>> > exists.
>> > Here are three prime examples:
>> >
>> > When my parents were kids, there was
>> >
>> > Christmas Seals -- to fight tuberculosis
>> > The March of Dimes -- to fight polio
>> > Easter Seals -- to help crippled kids
>> >
>> > TB was cured, but Christmas Seals kept going, orienting its mission to
>> > general lung ailments.
>> > Polio was cured, but the March of Dimes kept going, changing its
>> > mission
>> > to have something to do with birth defects.
>> > Kids stopped getting crippled (same thing happened to the Shriners
>> > Hospitals) but Easter Seals kept going, changing its mission to have
>> > something to do with disabled children, especially autistic kids.
>>
>> Actually, TB is back. Perhaps not so much in this country but it is
>> here.
>
> TB never went away. What's back is all the childhood diseases,
> including whooping cough, thanks to stupid parents who don't vaccinate
> their children.
> http://www.cdc.gov/pertussis/images/...ph-2014-lg.jpg

The vaccine isn't very effective. Angela had it but was still sick for
about 2 months with the whooping cough. So was my mom.

On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 15:24:59 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 01:24:13 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Actually, TB is back. Perhaps not so much in this country but it is
> >> here.
> >
> > TB never went away. What's back is all the childhood diseases,
> > including whooping cough, thanks to stupid parents who don't vaccinate
> > their children.
> > http://www.cdc.gov/pertussis/images/...ph-2014-lg.jpg
>
> The vaccine isn't very effective. Angela had it but was still sick for
> about 2 months with the whooping cough. So was my mom.

The vaccine was not a panacea, but it was a good start. What if she
hadn't been vaccinated and died? Would you want to be responsible for
that?
http://blog.sfgate.com/gurley/2010/0...u-should-know/


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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 15:24:59 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 01:24:13 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Actually, TB is back. Perhaps not so much in this country but it is
>> >> here.
>> >
>> > TB never went away. What's back is all the childhood diseases,
>> > including whooping cough, thanks to stupid parents who don't vaccinate
>> > their children.
>> > http://www.cdc.gov/pertussis/images/...ph-2014-lg.jpg
>>
>> The vaccine isn't very effective. Angela had it but was still sick for
>> about 2 months with the whooping cough. So was my mom.
>
> The vaccine was not a panacea, but it was a good start. What if she
> hadn't been vaccinated and died? Would you want to be responsible for
> that?
> http://blog.sfgate.com/gurley/2010/0...u-should-know/

She still could have died. The shot doesn't protect against that.

On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 17:01:01 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 15:24:59 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "sf" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 01:24:13 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> >> > > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Actually, TB is back. Perhaps not so much in this country but it is
> >> >> here.
> >> >
> >> > TB never went away. What's back is all the childhood diseases,
> >> > including whooping cough, thanks to stupid parents who don't vaccinate
> >> > their children.
> >> > http://www.cdc.gov/pertussis/images/...ph-2014-lg.jpg
> >>
> >> The vaccine isn't very effective. Angela had it but was still sick for
> >> about 2 months with the whooping cough. So was my mom.
> >
> > The vaccine was not a panacea, but it was a good start. What if she
> > hadn't been vaccinated and died? Would you want to be responsible for
> > that?
> > http://blog.sfgate.com/gurley/2010/0...u-should-know/
>
> She still could have died. The shot doesn't protect against that.

You improved her chances with the vaccine. She's still alive, isn't
she?


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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 17:01:01 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 15:24:59 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> "sf" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 01:24:13 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Actually, TB is back. Perhaps not so much in this country but it
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> here.
>> >> >
>> >> > TB never went away. What's back is all the childhood diseases,
>> >> > including whooping cough, thanks to stupid parents who don't
>> >> > vaccinate
>> >> > their children.
>> >> > http://www.cdc.gov/pertussis/images/...ph-2014-lg.jpg
>> >>
>> >> The vaccine isn't very effective. Angela had it but was still sick
>> >> for
>> >> about 2 months with the whooping cough. So was my mom.
>> >
>> > The vaccine was not a panacea, but it was a good start. What if she
>> > hadn't been vaccinated and died? Would you want to be responsible for
>> > that?
>> > http://blog.sfgate.com/gurley/2010/0...u-should-know/
>>
>> She still could have died. The shot doesn't protect against that.
>
> You improved her chances with the vaccine. She's still alive, isn't
> she?

How in the world can you say that? The Dr. said they now know that the
vaccine isn't very effective. She still got sick. She still could have
died. I didn't improve her chances of anything!

On 10/29/14, 6:24 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> The vaccine isn't very effective. Angela had it but was still sick for
> about 2 months with the whooping cough. So was my mom.

The current pertussis vaccine, while relatively new, is quite effective
-- 70 to 90%. But you have to keep it current.

Note from the final paragraph: "If you get the vaccine and still get
whooping cough, you will have fewer coughing fits, shorter illness, and
be less likely to suffer from disease complications."

"CDC is studying the long-term effectiveness of adolescent and adult
whooping cough vaccines

In general, Tdap vaccination protects 7 out of 10 people who receive it,
but protection fades over time....

CDC's current estimate is that Tdap vaccination protects against
whooping cough in about 7 out of 10 people who receive it. We are still
working to understand how that protection decreases over time as
antibody levels drop....

In general, DTaP vaccination is effective for up to 8 or 9 out of 10
children who receive it, but protection fades over time.
Since the childhood whooping cough vaccine (called DTaP) has been used
since the 1990s and almost every child gets it, we have study results on
long-term protection. In general, DTaP vaccines are effective for 8 or 9
out of 10 children who receive them. Among children who get all 5 doses
of DTaP vaccine on schedule, effectiveness is very high within the year
following the 5th dose — nearly all children (98 out of 100) are fully
protected. There is a modest decrease in effectiveness in each following
year. About 7 out of 10 of children are fully protected 5 years after
getting their last dose of DTaP vaccine and the other 3 are protected
against serious disease....

If you get the vaccine and still get whooping cough, you will have fewer
coughing fits, shorter illness, and be less likely to suffer from
disease complications. By getting the vaccine, you will also transfer
antibodies (proteins produced by the body to fight off diseases) to your
baby. Even if your baby gets whooping cough, these antibodies can
protect her against the severe outcomes that come along with the
disease. However, for women vaccinated during pregnancy, CDC does not
yet have an exact estimate as to how long that short-term protection
lasts in babies. Studies have shown that the antibodies will last until
your baby can start getting her own vaccines. That is why it is critical
that your baby starts getting the whooping cough vaccine for children on
time at 2 months of age."

-- Larry

"pltrgyst" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/29/14, 6:24 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> The vaccine isn't very effective. Angela had it but was still sick for
>> about 2 months with the whooping cough. So was my mom.
>
> The current pertussis vaccine, while relatively new, is quite effective --
> 70 to 90%. But you have to keep it current.
>
> Note from the final paragraph: "If you get the vaccine and still get
> whooping cough, you will have fewer coughing fits, shorter illness, and be
> less likely to suffer from disease complications."
>
> "CDC is studying the long-term effectiveness of adolescent and adult
> whooping cough vaccines
>
> In general, Tdap vaccination protects 7 out of 10 people who receive it,
> but protection fades over time....
>
> CDC's current estimate is that Tdap vaccination protects against whooping
> cough in about 7 out of 10 people who receive it. We are still working to
> understand how that protection decreases over time as antibody levels
> drop....
>
> In general, DTaP vaccination is effective for up to 8 or 9 out of 10
> children who receive it, but protection fades over time.
> Since the childhood whooping cough vaccine (called DTaP) has been used
> since the 1990s and almost every child gets it, we have study results on
> long-term protection. In general, DTaP vaccines are effective for 8 or 9
> out of 10 children who receive them. Among children who get all 5 doses of
> DTaP vaccine on schedule, effectiveness is very high within the year
> following the 5th dose — nearly all children (98 out of 100) are fully
> protected. There is a modest decrease in effectiveness in each following
> year. About 7 out of 10 of children are fully protected 5 years after
> getting their last dose of DTaP vaccine and the other 3 are protected
> against serious disease....
>
> If you get the vaccine and still get whooping cough, you will have fewer
> coughing fits, shorter illness, and be less likely to suffer from disease
> complications. By getting the vaccine, you will also transfer antibodies
> (proteins produced by the body to fight off diseases) to your baby. Even
> if your baby gets whooping cough, these antibodies can protect her against
> the severe outcomes that come along with the disease. However, for women
> vaccinated during pregnancy, CDC does not yet have an exact estimate as to
> how long that short-term protection lasts in babies. Studies have shown
> that the antibodies will last until your baby can start getting her own
> vaccines. That is why it is critical that your baby starts getting the
> whooping cough vaccine for children on time at 2 months of age."
>
> -- Larry

And yet, she was severely sick for two months!

On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 14:04:02 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> And yet, she was severely sick for two months!

That's par for the course with whooping cough.


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