On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 10:52:45 -0700, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:

>On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 09:05:34 -0800, sf > wrote:
>snip
>>It happens. Many years ago, two of our already long time friends
>>decided to marry each other - and then divorced a few years later.
>>This group of friends always gets together (more often back then than
>>now) - so for quite a few years, both would be invited to parties but
>>one or the other would not attend if the ex was attending. Everyone
>>continued to invite both of them anyway. Eventually they were far
>>enough past the divorce that they attended, but kept themselves at
>>opposite ends of the party. Time marches on. Nowadays they are able
>>to exchange awkward, short but civil, pleasantries when social
>>conventions dictate.
>
>we have been celebrating holidays together except for the first year.
>We all felt it was important for our daughter to have parents for
>holidays instead of piecing her out to various relatives for each
>holiday. The extended families have also participated in all these
>holiday gatherings. I give kudos to my ex's wife for her graciousness
>-- far more than I had initially. She called me when she had an
>accident and needed to go to hospital. She stayed with me in the
>hours before my second (emergency) surgery. The only jealousy that
>exists is when one or the other of us has purchased a Christmas
>present that the other was planning on getting.
>Janet US

The ex and I both remarried very quickly (22 yrs ago). We have shared
some holidays, divided up some others, but there has never been a
celebration or event where one or the other of us was uncomfortable
being there together. We shared custody when the kids were young (they
are all quite adult now) and we still have keys to each others'
houses.

Boron

On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 18:18:17 -0500, Boron Elgar
> wrote:

snip
We shared custody when the kids were young (they
>are all quite adult now) and we still have keys to each others'
>houses.
>
>Boron

Yes, of course. How else would you get in to babysit the dogs?
Janet US

On Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:49:45 AM UTC-6, sf wrote:

> On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 23:53:12 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> > I don't know if our table was supposed to have been for vegetarians or what.
> > I was a vegetarian at the time. I can't remember if I was asked about this
> > or not. I just remember the meat being whisked away quickly and nobody at
> > the table had a chance at it.
>
> When you select a meal choice prior to the wedding, there's always a
> vegetarian option these days. I'm not vegetarian, but that's what I
> select because I hate catered food and the vegetarian option is
> usually the hardest to destroy. Caterers are getting better though.
> The first summer wedding we attended this year had a flame grilled
> beef option that was delivered to the table hot, with the perfect
> amount of rareness.
>
>
I've never been to a wedding where a menu was provided for the guests to make their choice of what they wanted. They're catered and if you don't like what is served then don't eat it. No prior notice was given as to what would be served and no special foods for vegetarians or anyone else wanting something just for themselves.

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 11/6/2014 7:06 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Nancy Young" > wrote
>
>>> On 11/5/2014 2:08 PM, Cheri wrote:
>
>>>> Agree, it's like people going to a wedding who refuse to attend if so
>>>> and so it there blah blah blah. IMO, we'll miss you, but we'll see you
>>>> some other time. :-)
>>>
>>> I've never run into that IRL, but I've seen it mentioned. I feel
>>> the same way you do. Whoever says that, have a nice day somewhere
>>> else.
>>
>> +1 This is all pure selfishness and wanting to show they are something
>> different and special. If only they really knew how they are perceived!
>
> Obviously if there is some issue where someone doesn't feel safe
> around another person, someone needs to stay away. I can't imagine
> calling the host to demand changes to the guest list, especially when
> it's a matter that Aunt Sally is mad at Aunt Suzie. Get a grip on
> yourself. It's not about you!
>
> nancy

That is not the case that I have seen though. Thankfully things have gotten
better over the years. Used to be that several of my friends did not like
each other for various reasons. Mainly personality differences in that one
person would drive another one nuts. One friend in particular can easily
drive someone nuts. I can only take her in small doses. She is just very
slow in everything she does, including her speech. Nobody knows why for
sure but we suspect it is due to some medication she is taking because her
behavior is not normal nor is it what it used to be. Another one talks too
much and some people don't like that. Each one dislikes the other one and
none want to go to a party if the others are there. I just told them to
come anyway and not sit near the person that annoys them. That seems to
work.

But not everyone can get over things like this. I had two friends who were
neighbors in CA and both got into what seemed like a very petty fight to me.
I may not have had all of the details but it seemed to all have started over
a piece of exercise equipment. One person wasn't using it and agreed to
sell it to the other one for a small amount of money. Seriously small
amount. Like $5. It was old and needed repairs. Then after a few days,
the initial owner decided that they wanted it back but the new owner didn't
want to give it back. They finally agreed to do so if the money was given
back, because they had only had it for a few days and hadn't even had a
chance to try to fix it. This went on and on. Started with the two
husbands. Then the next thing I knew, the wives were going at it and even
the children!

I had invited both of these families plus two others to Angela's birthday
party. One even changed the start date of their vacation so that they
wouldn't be able to attend the party. And yet they still wanted to. So...
I had to throw her two parties! The one just for the one family did not
include lunch or some of the games planned for the original party. I think
I just bought a cheap cake and some drinks. It was all very uncomfortable.

On 11/6/2014 5:58 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> "Ophelia" wrote:
>>
>>> Children were welcome at both of my children's weddings. One was very
>>> formal, the other less so. Additionally, we have attended 3 weddings
>>> since June 2014 where children were welcome and all were formal in one
>>> degree or another. Two outdoor weddings, one church. The church even
>>> had an infant in attendance. Children are children and behave the way
>>> children do, but nobody had a meltdown if that's what people are
>>> trying to say happens. If the reception is going to be a small quiet,
>>> stiff affair at the top of some sky scraper with harp music in the
>>> background - maybe it's not the best idea to have children in
>>> attendance. If it's a real celebration with popular music and
>>> everyone dancing, children are fine. They get out on the dance floor
>>> with everyone else and have a grand old time... especially the under 5
>>> crowd.
>
> I've never had a problem with young children at dinners... long ago I
> mastered that internationally recognized LOOK that all children on
> this planet know means to behave themselves or serious consquences
> will be arriving forthwith; no dessert, no TV, extra early to bed, no
> weekend trip to the pond to feed ducks, and whatever else their young
> minds can conceive. I've always been very good with getting young
> children to behave.
>


I love it!!!

On Thursday, November 6, 2014 3:57:39 PM UTC-6, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> On 2014-11-06 4:41 PM, Bruce wrote:
> >
> > There are so many vegetarians in the world that you can't call a
> > vegetarian diet abnormal.
>
>
> Not in my world.
> I would go to a vegetarian dinner if invited. I have been to vegetarian
> restaurants. If eating in a vegetarian restaurant or in a vegetarians
> home I do not expect meat and would not insist that they cater to my
> carnivorous side. Vegetarians tend to be less accommodating.
>
>
I agree 100%, Dave. It must be the lack of meat in their diet that makes them so cantankerous.

On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 17:08:39 -0700, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:

>On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 18:18:17 -0500, Boron Elgar
> wrote:
>
>snip
>We shared custody when the kids were young (they
>>are all quite adult now) and we still have keys to each others'
>>houses.
>>
>>Boron
>
>Yes, of course. How else would you get in to babysit the dogs?
>Janet US

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 23:53:12 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> I don't know if our table was supposed to have been for vegetarians or
>> what.
>> I was a vegetarian at the time. I can't remember if I was asked about
>> this
>> or not. I just remember the meat being whisked away quickly and nobody
>> at
>> the table had a chance at it.
>
> When you select a meal choice prior to the wedding, there's always a
> vegetarian option these days. I'm not vegetarian, but that's what I
> select because I hate catered food and the vegetarian option is
> usually the hardest to destroy. Caterers are getting better though.
> The first summer wedding we attended this year had a flame grilled
> beef option that was delivered to the table hot, with the perfect
> amount of rareness.

I never understood why caterers so often use food that doesn't lend itself
well to catering. If I were going to do a catered affair I would choose my
foods carefully. Things like raw veggies, fruit, cheese, some salads, all
are pretty hard to screw up and they transport well. So I would plan for
light snacks rather than a full meal.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:59:46 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2014-11-06 11:49 AM, sf wrote:
>> > On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 23:53:12 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> I don't know if our table was supposed to have been for vegetarians or
>> >> what.
>> >> I was a vegetarian at the time. I can't remember if I was asked about
>> >> this
>> >> or not. I just remember the meat being whisked away quickly and
>> >> nobody at
>> >> the table had a chance at it.
>> >
>> > When you select a meal choice prior to the wedding, there's always a
>> > vegetarian option these days. I'm not vegetarian, but that's what I
>> > select because I hate catered food and the vegetarian option is
>> > usually the hardest to destroy.
>>
>>
>> If I were catering it the vegetarian option would be the same as the
>> meat entrees.... minus the meat..... salad and vegetables.
>
> You'd be a boring caterer and nobody would hire you.

Indeed! And these days, at least for the caterers in this area, they have
not only vegetarian but vegan, gluten free, dairy free, kosher, etc.

"James Silverton" > wrote in message
...
> On 11/6/2014 4:57 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2014-11-06 4:41 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>>>> You'd be a boring caterer and nobody would hire you.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You may be right. I am not into catering to the entitled vegetarians,
>>>> though the people with a normal diet would love it.
>>>
>>> There are so many vegetarians in the world that you can't call a
>>> vegetarian diet abnormal.
>>
>> Not in my world.
>> I would go to a vegetarian dinner if invited. I have been to vegetarian
>> restaurants. If eating in a vegetarian restaurant or in a vegetarians
>> home I do not expect meat and would not insist that they cater to my
>> carnivorous side. Vegetarians tend to be less accommodating.
>>
>> My brother's son and DiL are quite typical of vegetarians. When they
>> come to visit my brother and his wife they expect everyone else to eat
>> vegetarian meals or at least to offer vegetarian faux meat dishes. When
>> my brother and his wife got to visit them there is no meat offered.
>> Brother went out and bought steaks and they didn't want him using their
>> BBQ utensils. They didn't want their veggieburgers and other faux meat
>> items that they say taste like meat to be contaminated with meat.
>>
>>
>>
> My niece and nephew usually get together at Thanksgiving and in addition
> to their families, invite their parents and me since my son and daughter
> live on the West Coast. The meat component of the dinner tends to be a
> little meager since only my nephew's wife is a confirmed and stubborn meat
> eater. Still, it usually is a pleasant occasion and I am normally called
> upon to cook my variety of scallops and baked salmon is usually part of
> the dinner too. I'm afraid that I have set the veggy husband of my niece
> back somewhat since his son wanted to try the scallops and thought they
> were just great.

I was a vegetarian for many years. About the only time I bought meat was
when I had people over to eat. And I only did that because a lot of the
people I know, simply do not feel satisfied unless they are eating meat.
Many times I didn't even cook the meat that I served. I liked to do a salad
bar type thing and serve a few cold meats along with the veggies, fruit,
cheese, boiled eggs, etc.

These days, daughter and I are the ones who don't eat much meat. We do eat
it but not often and not a large amount. So I tend to do a lot of veggies
and a little meat. But husband is only interested in the meat so that makes
things difficult.

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 16:57:36 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>>On 2014-11-06 4:41 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>>>> You'd be a boring caterer and nobody would hire you.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You may be right. I am not into catering to the entitled vegetarians,
>>>> though the people with a normal diet would love it.
>>>
>>> There are so many vegetarians in the world that you can't call a
>>> vegetarian diet abnormal.
>>
>> Not in my world.
>>I would go to a vegetarian dinner if invited. I have been to vegetarian
>>restaurants. If eating in a vegetarian restaurant or in a vegetarians
>>home I do not expect meat and would not insist that they cater to my
>>carnivorous side. Vegetarians tend to be less accommodating.
>>
>>My brother's son and DiL are quite typical of vegetarians. When they
>>come to visit my brother and his wife they expect everyone else to eat
>>vegetarian meals
>
> I think that's unreasonable. You can't push your principles on other
> people, especially in their own homes.
>
>>or at least to offer vegetarian faux meat dishes.
>
> I don't think you need faux meat for a nice vegetarian meal.
>
>>When
>>my brother and his wife got to visit them there is no meat offered.
>
> They're vegetarians. Of course they don't offer meat.
>
>>Brother went out and bought steaks and they didn't want him using their
>>BBQ utensils.
>
> He can't eat their food for one day because he has to have meat
> everyday?
>
>> They didn't want their veggieburgers and other faux meat
>>items that they say taste like meat to be contaminated with meat.
>
> No meat in the house of vegetarians. Sounds reasonable to me.

Yes indeed. I can't understand people who can't go without meat once in a
while. My husband is one of these. I can manage to serve him a meatless
meal perhaps once a week. Any more than that and he gets surly.

On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 16:18:07 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 2014-11-06 1:54 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> > On 11/6/2014 12:59 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> On 2014-11-06 11:49 AM, sf wrote:
> >
> >>> When you select a meal choice prior to the wedding, there's always a
> >>> vegetarian option these days. I'm not vegetarian, but that's what I
> >>> select because I hate catered food and the vegetarian option is
> >>> usually the hardest to destroy.
> >>
> >>
> >> If I were catering it the vegetarian option would be the same as the
> >> meat entrees.... minus the meat..... salad and vegetables.
> >
> > I don't get that. You make something for the chicken/fish/beef
> > people, why not for vegetarians. Unless you're planning to make
> > their meal free, they deserve equal consideration for the money.
> >
>
> They'll be getting vegetarian in the form of potatoes, vegetables and
> salad. They won't be getting any faux meat. I know there are things out
> there made from vegetarian ingredients have the look, texture and taste
> of a bad cut of meat, but if they want something that tastes like meat
> they can eat meat... or vegetables.

Who the _blank_ is asking for FAUX meat? You'd be worse than a boring
caterer if you can't figure out how to make an interesting vegetarian
meal without pretending there's meat on the plate.

> If they don't consume alcohol they
> can decline the wine and cocktails, but I am not making virgin cocktails.
>
Provide what your customers want or be prepared not to pay the rent.
Sparkling water is a popular alcohol alternative.



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> wrote in message
...
On Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:49:45 AM UTC-6, sf wrote:

> On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 23:53:12 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> > I don't know if our table was supposed to have been for vegetarians or
> > what.
> > I was a vegetarian at the time. I can't remember if I was asked about
> > this
> > or not. I just remember the meat being whisked away quickly and nobody
> > at
> > the table had a chance at it.
>
> When you select a meal choice prior to the wedding, there's always a
> vegetarian option these days. I'm not vegetarian, but that's what I
> select because I hate catered food and the vegetarian option is
> usually the hardest to destroy. Caterers are getting better though.
> The first summer wedding we attended this year had a flame grilled
> beef option that was delivered to the table hot, with the perfect
> amount of rareness.
>
>
I've never been to a wedding where a menu was provided for the guests to
make their choice of what they wanted. They're catered and if you don't
like what is served then don't eat it. No prior notice was given as to what
would be served and no special foods for vegetarians or anyone else wanting
something just for themselves.

---

I've only been to two weddings with seated meals. One had three options.
The other was at a restaurant so there were a lot of options. The others
were buffets.

On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 16:19:20 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 2014-11-06 1:56 PM, sf wrote:
>
> >>
> >> If I were catering it the vegetarian option would be the same as the
> >> meat entrees.... minus the meat..... salad and vegetables.
> >
> > You'd be a boring caterer and nobody would hire you.
> >
>
> You may be right. I am not into catering to the entitled vegetarians,
> though the people with a normal diet would love it.
>
I don't think you have the slightest clue what vegetarian options
could be.


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On 2014-11-06 19:53, sf wrote:
>
>> You may be right. I am not into catering to the entitled vegetarians,
>> though the people with a normal diet would love it.
>>
> I don't think you have the slightest clue what vegetarian options
> could be.
>


Vegetables.... and thinks made with vegetables.

On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 16:57:36 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> My brother's son and DiL are quite typical of vegetarians. When they
> come to visit my brother and his wife they expect everyone else to eat
> vegetarian meals or at least to offer vegetarian faux meat dishes. When
> my brother and his wife got to visit them there is no meat offered.
> Brother went out and bought steaks and they didn't want him using their
> BBQ utensils. They didn't want their veggieburgers and other faux meat
> items that they say taste like meat to be contaminated with meat.
>

They're just royal pains in the ass. Extend the same hospitality to
them in your home as they extend to you in theirs.




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> On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 16:19:20 -0500, Dave Smith
"sf" > wrote in message
...

> > wrote:
>
>> On 2014-11-06 1:56 PM, sf wrote:
>>
>> >>
>> >> If I were catering it the vegetarian option would be the same as the
>> >> meat entrees.... minus the meat..... salad and vegetables.
>> >
>> > You'd be a boring caterer and nobody would hire you.
>> >
>>
>> You may be right. I am not into catering to the entitled vegetarians,
>> though the people with a normal diet would love it.
>>
> I don't think you have the slightest clue what vegetarian options
> could be.

Usually lasagna, stuffed shells, eggplant parm.

On Thu, 6 Nov 2014 16:35:52 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 23:53:12 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I don't know if our table was supposed to have been for vegetarians or
> >> what.
> >> I was a vegetarian at the time. I can't remember if I was asked about
> >> this
> >> or not. I just remember the meat being whisked away quickly and nobody
> >> at
> >> the table had a chance at it.
> >
> > When you select a meal choice prior to the wedding, there's always a
> > vegetarian option these days. I'm not vegetarian, but that's what I
> > select because I hate catered food and the vegetarian option is
> > usually the hardest to destroy. Caterers are getting better though.
> > The first summer wedding we attended this year had a flame grilled
> > beef option that was delivered to the table hot, with the perfect
> > amount of rareness.
>
> I never understood why caterers so often use food that doesn't lend itself
> well to catering. If I were going to do a catered affair I would choose my
> foods carefully. Things like raw veggies, fruit, cheese, some salads, all
> are pretty hard to screw up and they transport well. So I would plan for
> light snacks rather than a full meal.

The food was cooked on site.


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On Thu, 6 Nov 2014 16:53:45 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> > wrote in message
> ...
> On Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:49:45 AM UTC-6, sf wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 23:53:12 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I don't know if our table was supposed to have been for vegetarians or
> > > what.
> > > I was a vegetarian at the time. I can't remember if I was asked about
> > > this
> > > or not. I just remember the meat being whisked away quickly and nobody
> > > at
> > > the table had a chance at it.
> >
> > When you select a meal choice prior to the wedding, there's always a
> > vegetarian option these days. I'm not vegetarian, but that's what I
> > select because I hate catered food and the vegetarian option is
> > usually the hardest to destroy. Caterers are getting better though.
> > The first summer wedding we attended this year had a flame grilled
> > beef option that was delivered to the table hot, with the perfect
> > amount of rareness.
> >
> >
> I've never been to a wedding where a menu was provided for the guests to
> make their choice of what they wanted. They're catered and if you don't
> like what is served then don't eat it. No prior notice was given as to what
> would be served and no special foods for vegetarians or anyone else wanting
> something just for themselves.
>
You've only been to buffet receptions. I'm talking about sit down
service. You're given choices and submit your choice with the RSVP.

>
> I've only been to two weddings with seated meals. One had three options.
> The other was at a restaurant so there were a lot of options. The others
> were buffets.

Usually, the menu for a reception held in a restaurant has been
limited to certain choices. You might be ordering what you feel like
eating at moment instead of what you felt like eating 3 months ago,
but I've never been to one where the entire menu was available to
order from. Not saying it's impossible, but unless the party is very
small - it would be a hardship on the kitchen. For instance, we do a
party at a restaurant every December for 20-30 people and although the
menu is broad, it's still limited.


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On 06/11/2014 5:00 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 18:09:40 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2014-11-06 5:39 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>
>>>> I would go to a vegetarian dinner if invited. I have been to vegetarian
>>>> restaurants. If eating in a vegetarian restaurant or in a vegetarians
>>>> home I do not expect meat and would not insist that they cater to my
>>>> carnivorous side. Vegetarians tend to be less accommodating.
>>>>
>>>> My brother's son and DiL are quite typical of vegetarians. When they
>>>> come to visit my brother and his wife they expect everyone else to eat
>>>> vegetarian meals
>>>
>>> I think that's unreasonable. You can't push your principles on other
>>> people, especially in their own homes.
>>
>> I guess you didn't read the part about the vegetarians expecting to be
>> indulged with vegetarian fare when visiting and not wanting omnivores to
>> have meat at their house.
>
> But I meant it's unreasonable to force meat eaters not to eat meat in
> their own homes. The vegetarians can eat anything that happens to be
> available, minus the meat.
>
>>>> or at least to offer vegetarian faux meat dishes.
>>>
>>> I don't think you need faux meat for a nice vegetarian meal.
>>>
>>>> When
>>>> my brother and his wife got to visit them there is no meat offered.
>>>
>>> They're vegetarians. Of course they don't offer meat.
>>
>> And they didn't want the parents to cook their own mean on their BBQ.
>> Hell, they have a BBQ, but it is for faux meats only????? WTF
>
> I can understad that from the vegetarians' point of view. They just
> don't want to have anything to do with meat. Think Arabs or Jews and
> pork.
>
>>>> Brother went out and bought steaks and they didn't want him using their
>>>> BBQ utensils.
>>>
>>> He can't eat their food for one day because he has to have meat
>>> everyday?
>> Turn that around. The vegetarians could have meat at their place. They
>> both grew up with meat.
>
> But vegetarians don't eat meat. Whereas meat eaters can eat vegetarian
> food. It's not like they're going into withdrawal if they don't have
> meat for one day.
>>
>>>> They didn't want their veggieburgers and other faux meat
>>>> items that they say taste like meat to be contaminated with meat.
>>>
>>> No meat in the house of vegetarians. Sounds reasonable to me.
>>>
>> Just as meat at the homes of non vegetarians is reasonable.
>
> I agree, but that doesn't mean vegetarians have to eat it too.
>
But for many veggies, it is an effing power trip!!!!
Graham

On 06/11/2014 6:49 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 21:03:53 -0400, wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 11:57:16 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 6 Nov 2014 16:21:16 -0800 (PST), "
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thursday, November 6, 2014 3:57:39 PM UTC-6, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2014-11-06 4:41 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are so many vegetarians in the world that you can't call a
>>>>>> vegetarian diet abnormal.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Not in my world.
>>>>> I would go to a vegetarian dinner if invited. I have been to vegetarian
>>>>> restaurants. If eating in a vegetarian restaurant or in a vegetarians
>>>>> home I do not expect meat and would not insist that they cater to my
>>>>> carnivorous side. Vegetarians tend to be less accommodating.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I agree 100%, Dave. It must be the lack of meat in their diet that makes them so cantankerous.
>>>
>>> I always see meat eaters bitch about vegetarians here. Is it the meat
>>> in their diet that causes that?
>>
>> I don't care if you're vegetarian, all the more meat for me ! Actually
>> I find these days my ability to eat huge portions of meat is no more.
>> If I were young again I likely would be vegetarian because I don't
>> like how they treat the animals but it's a little difficult to change
>> now, so I have cut back hugely on consumption.
>
> I'm not a vegetarian. I eat fish. I just think vegetarians deserve
> normal basic respect as long as they have it for meat eaters too.
>
But many don't!!!!!!!

On 2014-11-06 21:12, graham wrote:

>>> Just as meat at the homes of non vegetarians is reasonable.
>>
>> I agree, but that doesn't mean vegetarians have to eat it too.
>>
> But for many veggies, it is an effing power trip!!!!


And.... getting it back OT.... Thanksgiving.... it is a meatfest.

On Thu, 6 Nov 2014 16:35:52 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>I never understood why caterers so often use food that doesn't lend itself
>well to catering. If I were going to do a catered affair I would choose my
>foods carefully. Things like raw veggies, fruit, cheese, some salads, all
>are pretty hard to screw up and they transport well. So I would plan for
>light snacks rather than a full meal.

I think the menu is usually chosen by the party paying the caterer. If
the bride (or whoever) wants a full meal, that's what the caterer will
give them.

Doris

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 6 Nov 2014 16:35:52 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 23:53:12 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> I don't know if our table was supposed to have been for vegetarians or
>> >> what.
>> >> I was a vegetarian at the time. I can't remember if I was asked about
>> >> this
>> >> or not. I just remember the meat being whisked away quickly and
>> >> nobody
>> >> at
>> >> the table had a chance at it.
>> >
>> > When you select a meal choice prior to the wedding, there's always a
>> > vegetarian option these days. I'm not vegetarian, but that's what I
>> > select because I hate catered food and the vegetarian option is
>> > usually the hardest to destroy. Caterers are getting better though.
>> > The first summer wedding we attended this year had a flame grilled
>> > beef option that was delivered to the table hot, with the perfect
>> > amount of rareness.
>>
>> I never understood why caterers so often use food that doesn't lend
>> itself
>> well to catering. If I were going to do a catered affair I would choose
>> my
>> foods carefully. Things like raw veggies, fruit, cheese, some salads,
>> all
>> are pretty hard to screw up and they transport well. So I would plan for
>> light snacks rather than a full meal.
>
> The food was cooked on site.
>
That's good. Often it isn't.

"Doris Night" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 6 Nov 2014 16:35:52 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>I never understood why caterers so often use food that doesn't lend itself
>>well to catering. If I were going to do a catered affair I would choose
>>my
>>foods carefully. Things like raw veggies, fruit, cheese, some salads, all
>>are pretty hard to screw up and they transport well. So I would plan for
>>light snacks rather than a full meal.
>
> I think the menu is usually chosen by the party paying the caterer. If
> the bride (or whoever) wants a full meal, that's what the caterer will
> give them.

I know but often I think it's not a wise choice.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 6 Nov 2014 16:53:45 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>> On Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:49:45 AM UTC-6, sf wrote:
>>
>> > On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 23:53:12 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > > I don't know if our table was supposed to have been for vegetarians
>> > > or
>> > > what.
>> > > I was a vegetarian at the time. I can't remember if I was asked
>> > > about
>> > > this
>> > > or not. I just remember the meat being whisked away quickly and
>> > > nobody
>> > > at
>> > > the table had a chance at it.
>> >
>> > When you select a meal choice prior to the wedding, there's always a
>> > vegetarian option these days. I'm not vegetarian, but that's what I
>> > select because I hate catered food and the vegetarian option is
>> > usually the hardest to destroy. Caterers are getting better though.
>> > The first summer wedding we attended this year had a flame grilled
>> > beef option that was delivered to the table hot, with the perfect
>> > amount of rareness.
>> >
>> >
>> I've never been to a wedding where a menu was provided for the guests to
>> make their choice of what they wanted. They're catered and if you don't
>> like what is served then don't eat it. No prior notice was given as to
>> what
>> would be served and no special foods for vegetarians or anyone else
>> wanting
>> something just for themselves.
>>
> You've only been to buffet receptions. I'm talking about sit down
> service. You're given choices and submit your choice with the RSVP.

Only if the bride sets it up that way. I've seen enough of those wedding
shows to know that this isn't always the case. It is cheaper if the bride
chooses one meal for all.
>
>>
>> I've only been to two weddings with seated meals. One had three options.
>> The other was at a restaurant so there were a lot of options. The others
>> were buffets.
>
> Usually, the menu for a reception held in a restaurant has been
> limited to certain choices. You might be ordering what you feel like
> eating at moment instead of what you felt like eating 3 months ago,
> but I've never been to one where the entire menu was available to
> order from. Not saying it's impossible, but unless the party is very
> small - it would be a hardship on the kitchen. For instance, we do a
> party at a restaurant every December for 20-30 people and although the
> menu is broad, it's still limited.

I don't think the entire menu was available but it might have been. It was
a very small wedding. I can't remember the exact head count but probably 20
or less. The wedding was at the bride's parent's house and the reception
was at a hotel. Not catered.

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 21:03:53 -0400, wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 11:57:16 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 6 Nov 2014 16:21:16 -0800 (PST), "
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thursday, November 6, 2014 3:57:39 PM UTC-6, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2014-11-06 4:41 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > There are so many vegetarians in the world that you can't call a
>>>>> > vegetarian diet abnormal.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Not in my world.
>>>>> I would go to a vegetarian dinner if invited. I have been to
>>>>> vegetarian
>>>>> restaurants. If eating in a vegetarian restaurant or in a vegetarians
>>>>> home I do not expect meat and would not insist that they cater to my
>>>>> carnivorous side. Vegetarians tend to be less accommodating.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>I agree 100%, Dave. It must be the lack of meat in their diet that
>>>>makes them so cantankerous.
>>>
>>>I always see meat eaters bitch about vegetarians here. Is it the meat
>>>in their diet that causes that?
>>
>>I don't care if you're vegetarian, all the more meat for me ! Actually
>>I find these days my ability to eat huge portions of meat is no more.
>>If I were young again I likely would be vegetarian because I don't
>>like how they treat the animals but it's a little difficult to change
>>now, so I have cut back hugely on consumption.
>
> I'm not a vegetarian. I eat fish. I just think vegetarians deserve
> normal basic respect as long as they have it for meat eaters too.

Me too!

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 19:14:00 -0700, graham > wrote:
>
>>On 06/11/2014 6:49 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 21:03:53 -0400, wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 11:57:16 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 6 Nov 2014 16:21:16 -0800 (PST), "
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, November 6, 2014 3:57:39 PM UTC-6, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2014-11-06 4:41 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are so many vegetarians in the world that you can't call a
>>>>>>>> vegetarian diet abnormal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not in my world.
>>>>>>> I would go to a vegetarian dinner if invited. I have been to
>>>>>>> vegetarian
>>>>>>> restaurants. If eating in a vegetarian restaurant or in a
>>>>>>> vegetarians
>>>>>>> home I do not expect meat and would not insist that they cater to my
>>>>>>> carnivorous side. Vegetarians tend to be less accommodating.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree 100%, Dave. It must be the lack of meat in their diet that
>>>>>> makes them so cantankerous.
>>>>>
>>>>> I always see meat eaters bitch about vegetarians here. Is it the meat
>>>>> in their diet that causes that?
>>>>
>>>> I don't care if you're vegetarian, all the more meat for me ! Actually
>>>> I find these days my ability to eat huge portions of meat is no more.
>>>> If I were young again I likely would be vegetarian because I don't
>>>> like how they treat the animals but it's a little difficult to change
>>>> now, so I have cut back hugely on consumption.
>>>
>>> I'm not a vegetarian. I eat fish. I just think vegetarians deserve
>>> normal basic respect as long as they have it for meat eaters too.
>>>
>>But many don't!!!!!!!
>
> And many meat eaters have no respect for vegetarians. Just read this
> newsgroup.

Yes! Although I have met a few very staunch vegans, I can't think of any
vegetarians I know who object to other people's diets. Heck, many of them
even wear leather!

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 21:32:29 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>>On 2014-11-06 21:12, graham wrote:
>>
>>>>> Just as meat at the homes of non vegetarians is reasonable.
>>>>
>>>> I agree, but that doesn't mean vegetarians have to eat it too.
>>>>
>>> But for many veggies, it is an effing power trip!!!!
>>
>>
>>And.... getting it back OT.... Thanksgiving.... it is a meatfest.
>
> Do you also insist that Jews eat pork?
>

Dave is in my KF but... Thanksgiving is a meat fest? It never was at our
house. We had tons of vegetables both raw and cooked and a turkey. Rolls
and some desserts. Not always pie either. Sometimes carrot cake. We
didn't have any stuffing when I was a kid either.

On Thursday, November 6, 2014 6:57:20 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>
> On Thu, 6 Nov 2014 16:21:16 -0800 (PST), "
> > wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, November 6, 2014 3:57:39 PM UTC-6, Dave Smith wrote:
> >>
> >> On 2014-11-06 4:41 PM, Bruce wrote:
> >> >
> >> > There are so many vegetarians in the world that you can't call a
> >> > vegetarian diet abnormal.
> >>
> >>
> >> Not in my world.
> >> I would go to a vegetarian dinner if invited. I have been to vegetarian
> >> restaurants. If eating in a vegetarian restaurant or in a vegetarians
> >> home I do not expect meat and would not insist that they cater to my
> >> carnivorous side. Vegetarians tend to be less accommodating.
> >>
> >>
> >I agree 100%, Dave. It must be the lack of meat in their diet that makes them so cantankerous.
>
> I always see meat eaters bitch about vegetarians here. Is it the meat
> in their diet that causes that?
>
>
> Bruce
>
>
Meat eaters here bitch about vegetarians because vegetarians act like the world should revolve around their wants and want to bitch about offerings at functions they have been invited to. Evidently they don't realize they are in the minority at most functions and should before they attend.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 09:47:53 -0400, wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 23:40:11 -0800 (PST), "
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Wednesday, November 5, 2014 1:22:40 PM UTC-6, Cheri wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > wrote in message:
>> >> >
>> >> > Or, as the girl who is going to marry my middle grandson said, 'no
>> >> > kids at our wedding' - I didn't say anything at the time but the
>> >> > more
>> >> > I thought about it, the more I felt a wedding with no kids is not
>> >> > much
>> >> > of a wedding. My daughter has threatened me if I say something,
>> >> > but
>> >> > I know I will ultimately. There are four perfectly well behaved
>> >> > great-grandchildren who should go and I don't say that blindly, I
>> >> > believe in discipline and would be the first to say they were not
>> >> > well
>> >> > behaved if that was the case.
>> >>
>> >> I imagine it would be hard to say "only well behaved children" but I
>> >> could
>> >> see no toddlers or infants due to crying etc., It wouldn't be my way,
>> >> but I
>> >> do believe that people have the right to have their wedding their way,
>> >> and
>> >> if others aren't comfortable with it, stay home.
>> >>
>> >> Cheri
>> >>
>> >>
>> >I'm going to agree with Cheri. So many times I've seen 'well behaved'
>> >children at weddings that the parents suddenly become deaf and blind to
>> >what their little darlings are doing. If they're 10 and above I can see
>> >them attending, but no toddlers and/or preschoolers; they just get so
>> >worked up and overwhelmed at these functions. If mommy and daddy insist
>> >on bringing these children then a nursery should be provided with an
>> >_insistence_ that's where they should be deposited for the duration of
>> >the ceremony and reception.
>>
>>
>> The same great grandchildren were in Cuba for my eldest grandsons
>> wedding last April and there were no problems, despite the fact that
>> maybe their thoughts were more inclined towards the beach or pools
>> rather than ceremonies If their parents turned a blind eye, I
>> certainly wouldn't.
>
> Children were welcome at both of my children's weddings. One was very
> formal, the other less so. Additionally, we have attended 3 weddings
> since June 2014 where children were welcome and all were formal in one
> degree or another. Two outdoor weddings, one church. The church even
> had an infant in attendance. Children are children and behave the way
> children do, but nobody had a meltdown if that's what people are
> trying to say happens. If the reception is going to be a small quiet,
> stiff affair at the top of some sky scraper with harp music in the
> background - maybe it's not the best idea to have children in
> attendance. If it's a real celebration with popular music and
> everyone dancing, children are fine. They get out on the dance floor
> with everyone else and have a grand old time... especially the under 5
> crowd.

Well, yeah, but the people who are getting married get to make their own
choices, and the attendees have a choice of attending or not.

Cheri

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Cheri" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
>> news
>>> On 11/5/2014 2:08 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 11/5/2014 8:36 AM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Our issue is Christmas. We're from a Polish/German background, so
>>>>>> traditionally we eat a lot of pork. But one of the nieces married a
>>>>>> Muslim and is raising their children in that faith. Her husband, who
>>>>>> smokes and drinks alcohol, refuses to even be in attendance if pork
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> served. No big loss.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sometimes it's best for someone to make their own traditions.
>>>>> You could see them some other time if you wanted to.
>>>>
>>>> Agree, it's like people going to a wedding who refuse to attend if so
>>>> and so it there blah blah blah. IMO, we'll miss you, but we'll see you
>>>> some other time. :-)
>>>
>>> I've never run into that IRL, but I've seen it mentioned. I feel
>>> the same way you do. Whoever says that, have a nice day somewhere
>>> else.
>>>
>>> nancy
>>
>> I've not seen it either, but like you, I've seen it mentioned many times.
>
> When we lived in NY, Angela's pre-K had a very fancy graduation for them
> including a brunch at a country club. Most of what they served was not
> suitable for me, a diabetic. Pancakes, waffles, pastries, fruit. There
> was some sort of breakfast meat brought out but I wasn't even able to get
> a good look at it. As the waiter was about to set it on the table, a
> couple at our table started freaking out and said that it was pork and
> could not be on our table.
>
> I don't know if our table was supposed to have been for vegetarians or
> what. I was a vegetarian at the time. I can't remember if I was asked
> about this or not. I just remember the meat being whisked away quickly
> and nobody at the table had a chance at it.

Yes, I know what you mean, but we were actually discussing people who say
they won't attend if such and such happens, at which point...stay home then.
:-)

Cheri

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...

> They'll be getting vegetarian in the form of potatoes, vegetables and
> salad. They won't be getting any faux meat. I know there are things out
> there made from vegetarian ingredients have the look, texture and taste of
> a bad cut of meat, but if they want something that tastes like meat they
> can eat meat... or vegetables. If they don't consume alcohol they can
> decline the wine and cocktails, but I am not making virgin cocktails.

Why not? It's much easier to make virgin drinks, pour the mixer/soda/juice
in a glass, add ice, done. Nothing to make.

Cheri

On Thursday, November 6, 2014 8:33:46 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>
> And many meat eaters have no respect for vegetarians. Just read this
> newsgroup.
>
> --
> Bruce
>
>
When they quit acting so outraged and demanding when they weren't offered a dozen different vegetarian dishes then they'll get some respect. It's amazing how many diabetics show up at these functions and don't get uptight because they weren't specifically catered to. They quietly find things, many vegetarian, to enjoy without bringing attention to themselves. Vegetarians could learn a few things about how to behave at functions from them.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...

> Yes indeed. I can't understand people who can't go without meat once in a
> while. My husband is one of these. I can manage to serve him a meatless
> meal perhaps once a week. Any more than that and he gets surly.

Why do you serve him something without meat if he prefers it though, unless
there happened to be no meat in the house for whatever reason or for
financial reasons etc.?

Cheri

> wrote in message news:562c8ed0-bf39-47db-a815-

I've never been to a wedding where a menu was provided for the guests to
make their choice of what they wanted. They're catered and if you don't
like what is served then don't eat it. No prior notice was given as to what
would be served and no special foods for vegetarians or anyone else wanting
something just for themselves.

========

I've been to a couple of weddings where there was a small card included with
the invitation that was sent back with the RSVP and had 3 or 4 options on
food like salmon, steak, chicken, vegetarian, etc. that you could choose.

Cheri

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...

> I have no more problems with extreme Jews and Muslims than I have with
> extreme Christians or others whose religion seeps into my world. I am not
> a religious person and I do not cater to their superstitions. If they can
> live with what we serve and the way it is prepared they are welcome. If
> they expect me to cater to their religious rules they have come to the
> wrong house.

They're probably not your closest friends and wouldn't be dining with you
anyway. LOL

Cheri

On Thu, 6 Nov 2014 22:18:26 -0800, "Cheri" >
wrote:

> Well, yeah, but the people who are getting married get to make their own
> choices, and the attendees have a choice of attending or not.

Nobody is forced to attend. Most of the old fuddy duddies are invited
because they're some sort of relative or friends of parents. If they
decline, then their spot is open to be filled by people who will
actually enjoy themselves that the couple couldn't invite in the first
place.


--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

On Thu, 6 Nov 2014 22:30:49 -0800, "Cheri" >
wrote:
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > Yes indeed. I can't understand people who can't go without meat once in a
> > while. My husband is one of these. I can manage to serve him a meatless
> > meal perhaps once a week. Any more than that and he gets surly.
>
> Why do you serve him something without meat if he prefers it though, unless
> there happened to be no meat in the house for whatever reason or for
> financial reasons etc.?
>
His health would be better if he decreased the amount of gout
triggering foods that he eats, but he hasn't bothered to figure out
what sets it off (as far as I can tell).



--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> Yes indeed. I can't understand people who can't go without meat once in
>> a while. My husband is one of these. I can manage to serve him a
>> meatless meal perhaps once a week. Any more than that and he gets surly.
>
> Why do you serve him something without meat if he prefers it though,
> unless there happened to be no meat in the house for whatever reason or
> for financial reasons etc.?

He eats at least 3 servings at a time. He will pick all of the meat out of
a dish and leave none for anyone else. I can't afford that! I do serve
meat but I simply have to serve meatless meals sometimes. I can't afford to
serve him a pound or more of meat for every meal and that's what he would
want. He also has medical reasons for not eating a lot of meat.